The Marae build in Sydney. We speak to Māori & Indigenous Australians
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2022
- The controversial Marae build in Sydney. Good idea or bad? For some Māori it has a colonisation vibe about it, for others it's about keeping whānau connected.
Reporter Hikurangi Jackson unpacks what's really going on in Australia by talking to Māori living in Australia and to members of the Darug community, mana whenua of the land where the Marae will be built.
It's not complicated we're not from there. You should have spoken to the people of the land before signing a deal with pakeha the very ones who stole their whenua. They got it harder then us they were shot down for sport like animals and lost everything and there still fighting for their Tino Rangatiratanga. I see this as the perfect opportunity to practice tikanga Maori and that's to empower tangata whenua and give back what they deserve. The oldest culture in the world which means they are our tupuna and they should be at the forefront of any decision making on their whenua. What's good for them is good for everyone.
I agree fully with your whakaaro also I think a Koha should be reciprocated if the maori in aus want a marae to connect back to aotearoa and tikanga maori then they should build a place for the aboriginal people here in aotearoa, even accommodation so if they want to come for a holiday accommodation is free or a koha
They did you clown on about
I’ve changed my tune. If muslims can have mosques all over the place then as long as tangata whenua agree on it then all good 👍
Agree wholeheartedly with you , the aboriginal had there land taken from , now the Maoris are doing the same as the English
Shut up
When the title deed to this whenua is back in the hands of the 1st nations Dhurag with the help of Maori, then and only then should the proposed purpose for this land be discussed and decided upon.
Putting the cart before the horse is a mindset belonging to colonialism.
Wow well said
@@MTT-ic3ci Yes.
Even if the 'reps' of Dharug community come together and said OK, just build it, they are Not speaking for the spirits of place unless they connect to that land and mediate in the spirit world to make sure the place is spiritually safe. Dharug are some of the MOST damaged and traumatised people amongst us mob as 'Aboriginal' people. They need to heal, build and revive their culture. The only way to make that place safe on 'country' is to walk the path of healing and kinship. Help heal the Traditional Owners, support their walk and connection to country and build an Alliance to create the connection of kinship. Thats our way, build the family links to our Maori famz. Why? Because if you establish the gathering place in any other way, you just have no 'Mana' in what it brings. Actually, it could bring sickness and harm. The 'law' of Country speaks into and above the people. Do we forgot that Maori and Dharug children where placed in the Native Institution in Parramatta and Blacktown on Dharug 'country' together, some died here and were buried here, they cried and laughed together. They were family! Build upon the strength of solidarity and kinship. Those children in the 1800's started that walk of kinship a long time ago. Time to remember whats brings us together, we might be different in many ways but we are the same in so many others.
You think we need you and your spirits
@@vegasmaori6621 You hilarious, you always complain that you have no money, you run other comments down, hahaha you will always be broke and sad, untill you change your thinking. hahaha but shit is funny az fk.. bet your gonna say, you think i need your stupid opinion hahah
@@reboot9247 bro I'm far from broke but just because I'm not broke it doesn't mean I still want to be spending 10 K when I want to connect the thing is you Maoris back home will never understand what it's like but you think you can talk shit about us now have a say in what we want haaa get of your high horses for a start and you are right your opinion doesn't matter cause we are still building it and there's nothing you can say that will stop it so Yous. Can all kiss our mozzie asses
to those Tangata in Australia my answer is come back home more often if you value your identity. Don't takahia on the manawhenua over there. Yes identity is important but not at the expense of disrespecting tangata whenua when a plane ticket back home can suffice.
Have you got 10 grand to pay for my tickets noo
@@vegasmaori6621 it does not cost 10 grand to fly from Australia even from Perth.
@@nicktorea4017 is that why it costed me and my whanau 10 grand to fly back
@@nicktorea4017 if you're not in Oz don't even talk about flying home that's all your fullas problem back home you think it's easy to just fork out grands to come back like money grows on trees
@@vegasmaori6621 well you better get fund raising then good enough for us to do it back here to get over there or anywhere for that matter good enough for you there. A good opportunity to instill Whakawhanaungatanga & Manaakitanga
We can’t do this to the Tangata Whenua of Australia. You can rationalise and com up with what ever narrative to make sound a legitimate reason to build a Marae. Yes there a mosques and island community halls etc does not mean we colonise or occupy Whenua that we don’t whakapapa to.
You left home and now you say you miss being you.
Wrong this is not ok at all after many many years defending our cultural rights and this happens. Hypocrites that’s what we are.
Bullshit that’s what this it.
Tame is talking about placing a Marae at home he will never endorse a Marae built on land that does not whakapapa to Tuhoe
We taking over lol england has 1 too lol
Wel buy it then it will be his tangata whenua home
To that priest, you say you ran away frm your whanau & building this marae is what was needed, you bro ran away from what you needed, this is nothing but a plastic marae you have built for plastic maori
A.K.A Mozzies 😂😂
👍👍👍you are plasticly correct
Ko te āhua nei, he rite tonu o ngā kūare ki ngā pākeha! Kaua e takato kei reira ou koutou tono ki te whakatū ou turangawaewae! Kahore e pai! He rite tonu koutou ki te hunga tukino!
Nothing like them I'm half Samoan born and raised in New Zealand and I lost my Samoan culture because of it
@@tolaisolia8743 well, that im afraid e hoa is the trade off of being from immigrant people. My issue is, when immigrants came to nz they needed to first and foremost acknowledge us māori as being the providers of their new homeland. That didnt happen and still does not happen. Do not blame nz for your loss and mokemoke for your people language and tikanga. Nothing stopping you from a path of discovery. What we as a colonised people MUST NOT do, is copy their model and do the same crap. A marae is NOT a cultural learning centre, contrary to what some believe and has NO place on the shores of another people, especially those that were and are being oppressed by their colonisers.
I've lost my culture because I've been raised on my Pakeha side born in New Zealand and I'm Samoan I kinda regret it because Polynesian culture is awesome it's all about looking after loved ones and being respectful it gives you good values, I'm almost 33 years old now and have never visited Samoa I reckon it's good that they're fighting so hard to keep them from losing their culture
cultral community sounds awesome for any culture anywhere overseas
Had Kaumatua lead this, Tikanga would have been strickly followed. No Kaumatua would allow this to whakahihi the people of this land. No matter how long the discussion it would not go ahead until permission is given! Giving a Koha is paramount! Negotiations with Council is colonising to the Tangata Whenua. Our leaders at home need to have a hui here to mihi to the Tangata Whenua for the disrespect displayed so far.
Ae, exactly my whakaaro too. Absolutely no go ahead untill aborignal elders of that iwi or mob as they call it agree. The Koha would be huge. Hui is definaletly needed, Aborignal people are the oldest human race of all, which means alot of mana wairua and alot of bad things could happen if this goes ahead if not handled correctly.
Maori and the Aboriginal people have so much Aroha and respect for each as long as the Aboriginal people have given their blessing i can't see anything wrong with building a Mare in Sydney but i would also like to see something put there for the Aboriginal people as a show of respect.
Build for the Indigenous first!!!
@@sjm1408 I agree
The poor aboriginals you just lost your land to the Maoris now the aboriginals can make some land rights in nz now👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@sjm1408 the Maoris didn’t go over to your country australia to support your land right march ever now they want there rights on your land : then eventually they will throw you all under the bus
@@Paris45627
what a stupid statement. NO Sense in it at all!
What the Māori people in Aussie need.
Is to come home to learn who you are, it's that simple! Hei aha te whakatū whare ki te whenua moemoeā. It's a hop skip an jump to come home.....
A hop and a skip that cost 11 K have you got that money for me and my whanau
@@vegasmaori6621 you mean to tell me between all your whanau, hapū, iwi that live in Aotearoa and Oz yous can't plan a trip ki te hoki mai ki te kāinga, kia āhei koutou ki te ako i tō ao Māori???😂😂😂 E oho co, excuses like that are dumb!
@@rahnzherewini8110 we do come home but don't sit on your high horse and tell me to come home everytime we feel like we want to it's expensive that's your fullas problem back home ohh they miss home just come home Yous got 10 K everytime I Wana come home no you don't so shut up U clown give me your BS talk when Ur stuck in a rut back home your ancestors would be disappointed with you can't make moves to better your whanau rather sit in the same spot usless
@@reboot9247 stfu and pay for my tickets
@@reboot9247 Welcome home brother..... Kia kaha Kia koe i runga i tō terenga ki te whai to tāua reo rangatira... I to have am at Te Wānanga o Aotearoa Palmerston North. Blessings to you brother, this is he perfect example of coming home to learn our Māori world. Love and light brother💯
A co-creation of Maori and Dhurag on a Marae/Cultural centre that promotes indigenous people celebrating art, song, myths, maramataka, sharing matauranga. A place of indigenous learning. A gift to the Whenua and her Guardians. Not because Maori reside there but because we understand the struggle and feel the need of our indigenous whanau on their land. I don't think our whanau living in Oz intentionally set out to replay the actions of colonisers of Aotearoa past. They have no experience of the struggle we at home have forged to overcome that continues today. Other cultures have had to work with iwi here whether it's mosques, temples, farms, water, land, fishing. We fought for our right to consult. Being Maori is more than a Marae. Make it inclusive to Dhurag with absolute transparency and know it takes time. A long time. It's the process that builds Mana not the building. Imagine it tho. A place like that. I'd love to go somewhere and relax among indigenous people learning, sharing and eating. We already share so much in common.
It’s not a Marae. It’s just a building that they trying to label as “Marae”
OMG. This is straight from the Colonisers Handbook 101! "We can't always get to every hapu? " Wow. How freaking patronising.
I am ashamed of everything about how the Māori behind this proposal are disrespecting the indigenous people of that land! It's an outrage!! Similar to arrogant colonizer behaviour!
And that was an interesting reason that the minister gave for running away from Aotearoa!
What i know, Australian Aborigines do not have any architecture, not even a simple hut like sub-saharan like west, central, east and south Africa. Polynesia, Micronesia and Melanesia[Austronesian speaking Melanesian], and Malay archipelago or Austronesian have unique and great architecture/traditional building, house and hall. Australian aboriginal do not have textiles, not even bark cloth, feather cloth, coconut fiber cloth/coconut fabric, and weaving from pandus or similar plants. they do not farm. but they do have culture, just like Jarawa people in Andaman Island, some ethnic of Australian aborigines do not have knowledge to made a fire. same with native Andaman islander,
@@safuwanfauzi5014 you know very little about Australia’s indigenous people and culture!! Learn about it before you comment!
@@Marosi60 what i said is the truth, Australia aboriginal do not have any architecture or traditional house or unique houses style, they just similar to 'Nest' not even the hut. Papuan have architecture similar to Austronesian because of influences. and people like Motu(motu people)
are Austronesian and the tattoo, boat are similar to Malaysia-Indonesia and Polynesia, the crab claw sail and tanjak sail or tanja sail are uniquely Austronesian. Deep Papuan or non-Austronesian Papua are more darker, nose and face are difference, they do not used textiles or fabric but grass, naked, bare food and wear koteka(penis wear). no iron or any metal like copper, tin and brass.
@@safuwanfauzi5014 sadly there was a Generation X .. they were free to roam and be nomadic tribes that's why hence no living homes etc... Also fire was given thru lightning they did not have to make as it was their culture to bring on rain when needed and fire .. these people the aboriginals are not dumb mobs.. colonizers were looking for trouble and now today's life is pandemics greed murder and evil... Because of the history colonizers have with the indigenous... believe it ! Once upon a time......
@@Marosi60 too materialistic the bro that knows too much about the southern hemisphere... Once he learns what Generation X is all about then he shall learn
Im a kiwi living in Parramatta ... Parramatta is a special place for the Indigenous .This arch deacon needs to UNDERSTAND the difficult history of Aborigines in Australia and the optics of having a marae on thier land where Aborigines still STRUGGLE for simple rights and sovereignty. It like rubbing it in when Maoris in NZ have progressed far more in a shorter period of time. The fact the marae is being introduced through 'church' is just like history repeating itself when the Australian govt through the church used it powers to wipe out and supress Aborigines and their culture. Just set up a Te Reo school the same way there are Jewish, catholic, French langauge schools in Sydney...even better the flight back to NZ is cheap so no excuses not wanting to learn the culture at home
exactly, alot of maori here in Aotearoa agree actually id say 99%..the thing is, aborignal people will think all maori are trying to push in, when its not..
Kiwi in parramatta your information is so correct the kiwi’s didn’t care about us years an years ago they didn’t support any of march for our land rights over here .
I hear both sides clearly, and understand with my all the meaning behind the Marae. According to the interview, the people were left in the dark here, and that's where it's at for me. It is protocol to hui with the people of the land, and to come to a shared and collective agreement. If you did not have the knowledge of where to go or who to talk to, then you research, find out who you should have gone to. You have instantly gone and upset the process of the community of where the Marae is situated. No matter what, respect Tangata whenua. As mentioned, they have pockets of land for there people due to colonisation, we understand and recognize that land is everything, it has their ancestors attached to that whenua.
As Maori, we have a whenua filled with Marae in Aotearoa. On our land.
And I'm concerned for future relationships here with Tangata whenua if that foundation wasn't set up properly in the beginning, that might disturbe the relationship abit there. Also, highlighting the 1992 agreement is a low blow, using law or agreements from years ago,
to get your way to build on the little land that they mentioned was left for there people, it prevents their future development, growth and potential of future generations for their people. Aotearoa relates to the history of colonisation and the very reason why I don't agree with the Marae.
Lastly, it was heartbreaking to hear the part where Matua states " what's there to come back to" ??
your whanau, your identity, your ancestors and above all, your culture. I really do hope the second meeting goes well for both sides, come to a collective agreement and sort solution.❤️
Maori in Aotearoa are totally against this embarrassment, sorry to the Aboriginal people. Don't be arrogant horis
This is so wrong on so many levels it's disgusting and sad 😢
Is a marae in Australia that different to a parish chapel synagogue mosque temple church & ministry or sanctuary? A marae/church/temple/mosque is a religious/spiritual cultural centre offering wellbeing and learning while reinforcing identity and strengthening connections.
A Marae in Aotearoa is so much more...
Yup very different marae is something you whakapapa too thru blood lines
A church and mosque you don’t have blood connection to those
yup heaps diffrent bro, my iwi wouldnt put a marae in another iwi whenua, we get smased lol.. you must whakapapa back to it..
@@malachit4024 shuddup
@@reboot9247 lucky you don’t go there then isn’t it? Stay in your safe little cave, captain caveman 😂
Well none of these temples mosque and spiritual culture and Maoris have ever ever ever supported the aboriginal marches here in there country doesn’t look
I find this story very distressing. This is a very personal disrespect to the entire Darug community. It needs to be made clear to all Māori, especially the Sydney Marae Alliance that coming out later and saying "oh no sorry ... it's a cultural centre now", who are genuinely apologetic but have done serious damage which is what they have done is wrong. As indigenous folk both Darug and Māori, we have all been intergenerationally traumatized through the decades/centuries by European/white colonisation and the lengths and bounds we've had to trek in order to survive from this root cause of our trauma has also created trauma for us within itself. I think there is ownership due from the Sydney Marae Alliance ie. Here is what I did wrong, I am sorry that I marginalised you, silenced you, and tried to colonize your land under the pretence of a (forced) partnership/agreement made by some to represent you all, now what can we do to make it better for you, what doors can we as Māori open to the Darug people and how can we honour you as Tangata Whenua of this Whenua. If the Sydney Marae Alliance fail to apologise, to accept responsibility for the harm caused, and further than that to honour the Darug people and what they want for their land and their people, then the Sydney Marae Alliance themselves are colonisers who have gone from 'victim' to 'perpetrator'.
Marae shouldn't be for tourist it should be place for maori to gather together and connect with maori around the rohe, lot of maori in Aus loose there sense of belonging and whakakapa, Reo, ect! seems like some whanau are just trying to make $$
I am not from either place, but what I do see is positive growth. First Nations accepting each other's protocols to create a better space for both.♥️
How can you say to come home to what? It's the land and the people, or do we not matter anymore 😢
The problem with a lot of Maori moving over to Australia is, Is that alot of them are chasing the Money and Fortune and some want the Glamour life but then cry about not having the Tikanga..But not realizing that money isn't everything, As long as we have got Kai to feed our Whanaus, Land to build on along with fresh water to bath and to drink and also got Tangaroa for Kai Moana..We fail to see that we do have that all here and that we are Rich and Wealthy in Land, Why do you think the Chinese and everybody else all wants a piece of our beautiful Whenua?..And to not to mention that the Land here in Aotearoa is already been Bless to us by cultural rights.and Maori Heritage..And is plentiful with Kai to sustain us or was, And that's why our Tupuna fought hard for our People and Land through the times of colonization and would disappointed to see how we've let things become in our Whenua that they fought for us..But the thing is Is that none of the Maoris in Australia is wanting to stand up to the pakeha Government here back home and make a stand for our Land and Rights..But would rather surrender it all over to them and move over seas and then build Maraes on foreign Land and then talk about Kaupapa and Tikanga!..I really don't understand that..If every stopped chasing after Money and The Material Luxurious of the Pakeha and actually stood up for what is Rightfully ours, Then we wouldn't have to move overs seas!..I can really see the Lack of Wokeness, Whakapapa and Education side of things when it comes to a majority of our People..Only a certain few still have that Tuturu Tikanga for what is right!
Ki ora e oha (my friend) well said mean as koreo Wiremu 😉
What's wrong with bettering out family you are so ignorant I won't even waisted my energy on small minded people like you
Well said. The ones who had left have no sense of belonging cultural wise. It's only when a family member gets married or passed on that the culture is embrace by some families, or when they brought the body home. No matter,who you are, where you are, always remember and embraced where you are from 🇼🇸. The ones who are lost come home. Material things and money you can't take it with you when you are gone but who you are and what you are is your culture.
@@ernesttuwhangai457 Arohanui 💯
@@moekontze116 💯
You challenged Tangata Whenua,Mana Whenua Iri
Why don't you put a marae on stilts then it's not directly connected to the land
best to build the people from there a centre first and a bigger one we dont want to go to big there when they have nothing
Dharug elders should be elected to the Marae board so Kawa can be transparent #naumaihaeremai
Ae
Sydney Marae Alliance you have been told who the rightful mob is yet you continue to negotiate with another Dharug mob who do not have right over that land. SMA have not done their homework when they say they’ve tried to find the right Dharug mob well as a Māori man who has lived in Sydney for 40yrs plus and held various positions within Aboriginal led organisations and who proudly walks with our indigenous brothers and sisters let me just say to you as it appears you didn’t look far for the right mob, had you conducted the proper enquiries you would know the very people protesting against this are the rightful mob! It’s not rocket science SMA!! AND just who did you consult with and who gave their blessing? I’m pretty sure most of our Kaumatua would not give their blessing as we have no rights over Aboriginal land. Dharug mob have put out 2 statements and they are right to be angered and disappointed by your disrespect of this land and it’s people! Stop this hoha and mend the relationship and engage with the elders and the rightful mob that you have grossly insulted!
Yea bro now they think all maori are like this..
I'm a proud Maori Mai Te tai tokerau, to see this happening over there to tangata whenua, thus PMO in so many ways, my people have fought centuries with pakeha for our whenua, and for me to see my people be doing this on someone else's whenua, its disgusting¡! I say NO to the building
Me too. I feel so disgusted and ashamed.
Build a building for your need. But don’t use the word marae that word has to stay put with his ancestors back in nz I’m sure all the Maoris of nz will agree.🙏🙏
It's a sinnergog disguised as a marae .thou ART worthy . Kei the kite enari kaare the kite ,kei the mohio enari kaare the mohio .❤❤❤
To hear that man say the Marae will be elevated above the whenua? I can only relate this Marae being like a dark cloud over the land of the Indigenous People!! Whatever way he wants to excuse this elevation it is what it is - A dark cloud over the Tangata Whenua here! Disgusted and truly ashamed!
You all need to mau mai haere ki to papakainga and reconnect
If anything Maori need to contribute to higher learning in pursuit of health. Anything right up to the highest credentialled Dr qualis. Maori were first offered the new way and subsequently agreed and signed up to the new way of trading. We need to get the indigenous training for health not culture...what does that do for a triple bypass heart operation. Thanks to those groups contributing to the health field and mainly 85 percent British/European. Forget Maori culture...what for?
So after six thousand years Maori can no longer move from Island to Island! That's what they do, Air New Zealand is just the current Waka!So its ok for Pakeha to put up churches,MOSQUES,GURDWARAS,TEMPLES ETC ETC and places for community to meet but not MAORI?................Yeah,Nah man, go on build it! Maori are travelers they move from place to place, the culture may vary but that's called evolution! My kids are Maori and were born and live in Australia so Id love them to have a place to go to experience their ever evolving culture,,,its a BIG YES FROM ME! You cant go backwards but you can move forward with respect!...........Mind that, with Respect! We're not talking about doing it like Pakeha do! lol
Its not a maori thing to disrepect another cultures mana and whenua (aboriginies) if aussie/maori want to build something there they should build something for those native people, dont be selfish and come home if you need to have a grasp of your roots.
@@kwazimokava mouriora!
@@reboot9247 😄👍
I don't agree with it and I'm Maori. Leave that in NZ please and thank you.
👍👍👍
I don’t know about u but there is always a curse to jumping land through open spirits.and for a Marae in a open area Parramatta.terrible a marae is for peace n quiet
Having spent the greater part of my life in Australia without a Marae I am a little bit shocked. I have heard whakapapa mentioned and whenua. Good grief. Are some of you serious. How life would have been different if there was a Marae in Australia during my time. I just don't get some of the korero. If your purpose is right and your intentions too. Then do it. If not. Well.
When bros talk about colonization like they would prefer to live in a piupiu again, our land was never stolen....we never owned the land we have only ever been caretakers of papatuanuku. The conscious thought that we owned the land was when we joined this system people tend to show their true colours when money is on the line.
Awsome thou
It is our duty, as celestial navigators to create a home base for the younger generations to set sail from, to search the world for knowledge and empower the next generations so we as part of an indigenous clan worldwide may grow..
#powertothepeople
Your Duty Pfft! You have a base - Aotearoa.
@sharonmarino1408 where was our base before Aotearoa we are explores, navigators..knowledge is world wide not just on the whenua
@@destinygrant853 Best you go home and ask.
@sharonmarino1408 I've never lost the connection with my whenua..I live abroad and have worked all over the world.. The knowledge I take back and incorporate into the iwi is futuristic maori are worldwide now..and we are the ones who will shape the future for the generations to come..no longer are we labour's..I've met maori who run the show in multi million dollar companies...we are doing great things for our people
@@destinygrant853 So why are you trolling me?
That's not where we belong, if u want to belong somewhere come home aoetearoa,
Im just in awe.
They got $4 million 😮 … 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
So sad for our indigenous people.😒
Sounds to me like our Maori are determined to tell the Tangata Whenua "We will help you understand, but we will go ahead anyway". I am ashamed for our Maori being rather arrogant and insensitive to our Indigenous people here on their whenua. Sad that they think they have the same Wairua over the land. Myself and children were involved in Kapahaka groups here in Melbourne (No Marae) and we learnt so much. However, when our Maori wanted to do the same down here, it never succeeded and I believed then and still do: Our Maunga don't move! Even my children who were born here understand true respect of the Tangata Whenua (Indigenous people). My children also understand: Our Marae is at home in NZ and if they want to learn and know more they will go home not try to shift our Marae to Aussie. This is so sad for our Indigenous brothers and sisters here in Aussie. Why couldn't they help the Tangata Whenua here first! Very very Divisive and Shame on you ALL!!!
You realise you are ashamed of yourself, you are not separate from us. Aue
Do more wooho
When a people stop with their traditions an culture pasting down teaching an giving breath with their natural tongue .
Lost people they become
The land , man owns not .
A man needs only to belong an be one with the land , then the land needs nothing but to belong to man.
The story's of our great Waka finding an belonging to new lands we build an belong to the land . We are one .. man an land
I'm all for it with respect to the first nation,it can bring both cultures together .😊
What we need..... Come home to what? Two intetesting comments. Need- to come home and live your Māori culture here on your land.
Come home to what? (Always makes me laugh this comment) To your whenua, reo culture, whānau, marae..... what you ran away from.
We are indigenous people planting our flag on our fellow indigenous peoples land.
It’s wrong and opens a can of whip ass on our own lands.
Marae can be established anywhere on papatuanuku that's the whakapapa
Maori are the tuakana of the 12 tribes of Israel that can whakapapa back to the 13 heavens.
When Maori was the first to migrate through the eastern countries. The Asian the American countries the pacific til they arrived in Aotearoa where the missing link is found.
Ae Israelites are scattered to the four winds , it is not a country ,it is a people . The name Israel came thru Jacob .
KIA KAHA
MAORI CAN BUILD & CREATE
ANYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD
IF OTHER CUTURES CANT CREATE
FOR THEIR OWN... IT'S TIME TO
LEARN FROM MAORI HOW TOO
STAND FOR YOUR PEOPLE..
If stuff comes your way then u have no ground to stand on
Don't place the poutokomanawa into the ground. I don't hear them protesting about mosques.
It's not a take over .the marae is a connection to back home. And for other Maori to visit. When in Australia. Hope all goes well.
E mihi ana au ki tō whakaaro, engari..
there is already a place for our people and that is back home. Ko Aotearoa tō tātou whenua. Ka hoki ki tō whānau me tō roopu that is where you will learn your whakapapa, not here.
Also, te manawhenua are struggling to even be acknowledged yet our tangata Māori are welcomed with open arms. That’s a bit unfair, nē? We must stand for First Nations, especially if we are reaping the benefits upon their land. We have somewhere to go to. First Nations are still fighting their way and finding a place in this society where they can feel respected and acknowledged.
Āna, tēnā koe.
What else can you call it when the Indigenous are left out or ignored anyway and you get so much money to go ahead while the indigenous still fighting for their land back? It's ANOTHER takeover!
If you want to be connected then return home. So disrespectful, we’re being hypocrites planting our flag on Aboriginal land. That’s not our land.
Build a aborigional marae for them tonhave their hui/meetings.
What about the people of the land
Their Whenua,
Their Tikanga.
Tangata Whenua o Aotearoa would be highly offended if that was done to them.
Go occupy the Marae.
Māori need to rememeber that prior to colonisation, borders and boundaries weren't viewed as we view them today; the Pacific was a massive ocean network between cultures. To say this is a coloniser attitude is disinformation, Māori aren't in Australia to take control and extort local Indigenous people, nor take away their rights and sovereignty. Māori have litereally been in Australia since the 1800's. No one ever bats an eye to the Catholic church (one of the most evil institutions to exist btw) who still have communal spaces everywhere. Tikanga is the tahi and of course it should be a priority in consulting local mob on ideas such as this. They've got you fighting a culture war, when really its the class war all Indigenous Nations should channel their anger towards.
I am of the belief that there was a parcel of land in Parramatta gifted to the Maori, and as you say back in the 1800's
@@rossmcintyre1328 yes, it was waitara in sydney i think.we have waitara in taranaki
Kaua e wareware Maori....marry into THA TRIBE B4 ANY CLAIMS otherwise disrespectful ki te Iwi o Ratou ma!
We should’ve asked permission from our Aboriginal Whanau, I’m surprised we didn’t to be honest. I won’t support this Marae until the Traditional owners do, the Planners of this went about it the wrong way 😔 Would be good and is needed for our Whanau here in Australia, but not without permission😡
Plastic Marae. I will never support them.
Not Tangata Whenua fullstop, straight up disrespectful to the original custodian's of this land,Tsk tsk tsk 😤
The need for a marae here is real. The intention is pure so if done the right way with proper blessing of the Indigenous tribes as a whole I think it’s a good thing. Hopefully they sort it with the people of the land otherwise it won’t feel right. Maybe they should build something for them too as a gesture of good will. Or even a mixing of cultures in terms of the use and design. A proper cooperative.
It's not a difficult issue that Maori who live here and a connect with indigenous Australia and their land. Muslims who come here from afar and now built their prayer buildings for their people.
But us as maori are not like that, just cause other cultures do it dont mean we as maori shoukd copy
@@kwazimokava das Becos Everyone's ways are different. 'Your ways are not my ways, neither your thoughts are my thoughts' declares the Lord.
@@Frank-rx8ch nobody said my ways are your ways...its obvious you are non maori...you so called lord has a history of genocide of many native people including mine the maori...many of my people died believing in our own gods because your lord is the only belief...so sad you dont know the harm it has caused for future generations
The chaplin had laughing Out Loud 😂😂😂😂 What You Ran away from Your Marae?? Now you want a Marae on what is Not Our Whenua??
Not our land, this is wrong, come home if you need and want to connect to te ao Maori
I Lived in sydney 30 years, there's many other ethnic, indigenous cultural dwellings in sydney, no gripes there.....This Marae is needed for our people Especally Australian born Maori that don't intend moving home..Kia kaha my Sydney Whanau haere tonu carry on with this kaupapa, I look forward to the opening of our Sydney Marae...
What yous up2 man
No comment! you know what you are doing, many new marae were established because whanau argued and one would run off and take some people and build new whare and make babies. Wallah new hapu,
Get that whenua back give it to the tangata whenua on paper 🎉🎉 then acknowledge the sacred spaces on that land. Not difficult to see thats tapu whenua. Help the dhurga with $$$ to do this. Once you do this the tribe of the land will then know where you can build your whare for learning. Could that be possible. Help by look by paying into a trust for the riteful descendants.
Bring them home basic knowledge 😊
My own personal apologies darug Tangata whenua ... Kei a Koutou te rangatira.. say no!
Return the Millions n The Marae n Move 'Some Maori Kumu off Dharug Sydney Tangata Whenua Ahitereiria Whenua! the Excuses n Rupahu that You tried to find Dhurug Tangata Whenua!!!Who are The Oppressors some Sydney Maori!!!
You know so many Maori back home think they have a say in what we do here Yous don't have any say so be quiet...our elders left Hawaiki and established marae in NZ so we do that and ohh nah no you can't pfft they say just come home ohh have you got 10 grand to come home no so be quiet
Sad, you have so much baggage...ignorance, arrogance, self gratification etc etc...whoa too heavy.
@@sjm1408 what's wrong you just mad cause I'm right it's ok bitch move on
It's not our whenua
This is disgusting and disrespectful to the native aboriginal peoples mana and whenua, those maori over there have lost their identity and picked up the pakeha way of thinking, come home if you need to grasp your root they clearly have the money but are to selfish and comfortable in their own backyard ...this all about money rather than the people.
I can’t see why a Marae can’t be Built in Australia Muslims have Built Mosques Jews synagogues Christians have Built Churches we have a lot Maori’s who have Migrated to Australia so why can’t they have a Spiritual Place go to ❤
Why is there hating towards this...but its ok other ethnic groups build their churches and temples there...no moans about that..
Doesn’t mean we do exactly what happened to us this has undone all the hard work we fought for
Its not hating. We'd do the same thing if they tried to do the same on our Whenua
There’s a difference between culture and religion.
Just because other Cultures do that build there cultural beliefs on other countries land doesn't mean we as Maori should drop our Mana to become like sheep and follow the rest of everyone else and follow what they do but should actually stand up for what is Right and stand our ground, That's what makes us different and stand out from the rest of other cultural who have no respect for other cultures and there beliefs..Be like the Warriors we once we're..See the problem with a lot of Maori moving over to Australia is, Is that alot of them are chasing the Money and Fortune and some want the Glamour life but then cry about not having the Tikanga..But not realizing that money isn't everything, As long as we have got Kai to feed our Whanaus, Land to build on along with fresh water to bath and to drink and also got Tangaroa for Kai Moana..We fail to see that we do have that all here and that we are Rich and Wealthy in Land, Why do you think the Chinese and everybody else all wants a piece of our beautiful Whenua?..And to not to mention that the Land here in Aotearoa is already been Bless to us by cultural rights.and Maori Heritage..And is plentiful with Kai to sustain us or was, And that's why our Tupuna fought hard for our People and Land through the times of colonization and would disappointed to see how we've let things become in our Whenua that they fought for us..But the thing is Is that none of the Maoris in Australia is wanting to stand up to the pakeha Government here back home and make a stand for our Land and Rights..But would rather surrender it all over to them and move over seas and then build Maraes on foreign Land and then talk about Kaupapa and Tikanga!..I really don't understand that..If every stopped chasing after Money and The Material Luxurious of the Pakeha and actually stood up for what is Rightfully ours, Then we wouldn't have to move overs seas!..I can really see the Lack of Wokeness, Whakapapa and Education side of things when it comes to a majority of our People..Only a certain few still have that Tuturu Tikanga for what is right
They're not talking about churches or temples on that land, they are talking "Marae" Big difference.
Pita Sharples and Moana Jackson got a mad powhiri at Te Marae UN. Indigenous Australia should feel insulted.
Ahhh since when do you get to tell Australian born Maori what to do. We all working toward connecting to earth. Tell my Maori daughter born and bred here, that she doesn’t know how to connect to the earth. The earth is not a possession of people. Sorry, Aue!!! Look for you inner strength not your outer world. Aue
It’s wrong. I’m ngāi te rangi rātou ko Tūhoe ko yidinji ko Mer, for the Italian Māori whānau, I’m making my pilgrimage to my ancestral lands in tauranga moana . This breaks a lot aloof tīkanga , consult with the elders in the community & find out who and where you’re ancestral lands are. It’s about making that pilgrimage like how Muslims do with Mecca . There’s a huge disconnect here , just go back home and meet with your tribal elders back home #SMH
11:08 "I wish they had contacted the dhurag people" these mozzies trying to do their own thing over there 😂🤣
Kick them off your land
Shameful for the rest of us here who do respect and have at least some knowledge of what they have already been through and still are going through. Shame. I feel for the Indigenous here.
Just go home your whenua is in Aotearoa. You want a Marae....come back home to YOUR Marae
No different to building a mosque in Sydney.
In Auckland Mangere have a Samoan fale or whatever it’s called.
It’s good for the Australians of Maori heritage and NZ expats who call Australia home.
Way different. We as Māori have our own marae to go to here in Aotearoa, we have heaps of spaces for us and cater to our mātauranga Māori. What do the first nations of Australia have? They have way more land mass than us yet jack spaces for them to be them. These Māori are entitled and disrespectful, if you have that much of a need to be on a marae come home! They make enough money over there to come back frequently.
There’s a huge difference! It’s their whenua not ours! These fellas are trampling on their mana and that itself is every reason not to support this no ears bunch of arrogant lot. We are visitors in their lands! End of story!
Just because other Cultures do that build there cultural beliefs on other countries land doesn't mean we as Maori should drop our Mana to become like sheep and follow the rest of everyone else and follow what they do but should actually stand up for what is Right and stand our ground, That's what makes us different and stand out from the rest of other cultural who have no respect for other cultures and there beliefs..Be like the Warriors we once we're..See the problem with a lot of Maori moving over to Australia is, Is that alot of them are chasing the Money and Fortune and some want the Glamour life but then cry about not having the Tikanga..But not realizing that money isn't everything, As long as we have got Kai to feed our Whanaus, Land to build on along with fresh water to bath and to drink and also got Tangaroa for Kai Moana..We fail to see that we do have that all here and that we are Rich and Wealthy in Land, Why do you think the Chinese and everybody else all wants a piece of our beautiful Whenua?..And to not to mention that the Land here in Aotearoa is already been Bless to us by cultural rights.and Maori Heritage..And is plentiful with Kai to sustain us or was, And that's why our Tupuna fought hard for our People and Land through the times of colonization and would disappointed to see how we've let things become in our Whenua that they fought for us..But the thing is Is that none of the Maoris in Australia is wanting to stand up to the pakeha Government here back home and make a stand for our Land and Rights..But would rather surrender it all over to them and move over seas and then build Maraes on foreign Land and then talk about Kaupapa and Tikanga!..I really don't understand that..If every stopped chasing after Money and The Material Luxurious of the Pakeha and actually stood up for what is Rightfully ours, Then we wouldn't have to move overs seas!..I can really see the Lack of Wokeness, Whakapapa and Education side of things when it comes to a majority of our People..Only a certain few still have that Tuturu Tikanga for what is right
Don’t do it how crap are you guys to do that
I'll be taking my sons there to learn our culture and more te reo. My grandfather was an adopted maori man and from that we have lost our connection with our people. No different than having churches and mosques built on country here
My maori friend visited our hall in minto ( Cook Island SDA church ) and said...
Gee you fellas are lucky, your people got a place to call home, us Maori got nothing....
Felt sorry for my friend ...
The aboriginal has had such a bad argument about there land rights then the Maoris are now taking over your marae should stay on you’re own land you are disrespecting the aboriginals of there land , there will be more pain an tears for the rightful owners the aboriginals
Maori were not the first to occupy the lands of New Zealand,they conquered it, there were others who were there before them,
There are Maraes all over the Pacific, In Samoa,in Tahiti,in Rarotonga - So migration has always been through out history - So the blueprint for Maori is through out the Pacific and now through Australia
These Cultural Centers & places of learning are always opening up in Australia, normal
The Vietnamese Community have been rewarded 1.7ha for there cultural center in Perth
Good on the Vietnamese!!
If Maori build a marae in any country UK,USA,Canada and Australia
You better believe that this will be very common in years to come
From 2021-2022 just over 10,000 people moved away from New Zealand.
New Zealand ain't cutting it for its people.
Maori love it in Australia and are very respected here!
Off-course they are comfortable here and want to establish a Marae here.
Traditions and Culture Change and have before you were born
Every country has had indigenous people, and now every country has a makeup of indigenous peoples
New Zealand ain't Australia and Australia definitely ain't New Zealand
but Maori who are living and call Australia home are in the numbers of 170,000 and that number guarantee will continue to increase.
Who were the others that we so called conquered?
@@JA.MMP274 Maori have been conquering since they left Hawaiiki
Through Cook island, Rarotonga, Tahitian history, we knew that through our navigators Kupe & others before them always travelled throughout the Pacific
We knew there were others in Aotearoa!
Maori overpopulated there lands & throughout the Tuamotus archepelgos, Tahitians knew the wars & fighting of the Maori.
Rarotonga helped the Maori in the Canoes to get to Aotearoa
The Pacific was always been used as trade routes & discoverys were told & spread throughout!
Red haired people were all over Polynesia,through Rapanui,through Tahiti and the Archepelgos and also Aotearoa prior to Maori arriving there.
Museums in NZ hide so much of early history of NZ
Moa hunting was not only done by Maoris but by other groups before Maori how?
Well it's been discovered & museums in NZ don't show you that because of the politics
Many discoveries have been found in NZ and when reported to local authority and Maori and Museums
They don't display it Why?
Because it tells you that Maori were the first to occupy the land
*were not
@@dannylakatani The problem with a lot of Maori moving over to Australia is, Is that alot of them are chasing the Money and Fortune and some want the Glamour life but then cry about not having the Tikanga..But not realizing that money isn't everything, As long as we have got Kai to feed our Whanaus, Land to build on along with fresh water to bath and to drink and also got Tangaroa for Kai Moana..We fail to see that we do have that all here and that we are Rich and Wealthy in Land, Why do you think the Chinese and everybody else all wants a piece of our beautiful Whenua?..And to not to mention that the Land here in Aotearoa is already been Bless to us by cultural rights.and Maori Heritage..And is plentiful with Kai to sustain us or was, And that's why our Tupuna fought hard for our People and Land through the times of colonization and would disappointed to see how we've let things become in our Whenua that they fought for us..But the thing is Is that none of the Maoris in Australia is wanting to stand up to the pakeha Government here back home and make a stand for our Land and Rights..But would rather surrender it all over to them and move over seas and then build Maraes on foreign Land and then talk about Kaupapa and Tikanga!..I really don't understand that..If every stopped chasing after Money and The Material Luxurious of the Pakeha and actually stood up for what is Rightfully ours, Then we wouldn't have to move overs seas!..I can really see the Lack of Wokeness, Whakapapa and Education side of things when it comes to a majority of our People..Only a certain few still have that Tuturu Tikanga for what is right
@@dannylakatani There's plenty of lineages that whakapapa fromt the original inhabitants of Aotearoa in to the tribes from Tahiti, marquesas french polynesiiaa.
This is all kinds of fucked up!!!!
Shameful man... that's what happens when you don't stay connected
We must respect the Aboriginal Natives and their trauma and not do this. As a wahine maori do not support this
The poor aboriginal copping it all over again please please please don’t hurt these aboriginal this is there go home go home to your own country nz you are suffocating these aboriginals they can’t breathe
Watch out Aussie, they're coming, good luck
Rude
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I’m kinda for it for the mozzies…
Shocking! A gathering place YES, a Marae NO!!!! Elevated Marae having no direct connection to the whenua? Come on now, who are you kidding? You all knew very well what you's were doing, u ran from REALITY to re-create on another soil coz 40yrs on ur mokemoke? U guys cut alot of corners & trampled on the Mana of our idigenous brothers & sisters who are STILL fighting for what is rightfully theirs!! SHAME ON YOUS!! Cultural centre not enough? 🤦♀️
Im in my late 30s and always had a crush on moana lol she still looks good.haha girl u need to hola 😂