Precision Rifle Load Development/ Part VI: Pressure Signs & 140-grain Velocity Testing
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2018
- In Episode 6 of the Precision Rifle Load Development series, we cover how to recognize the signs of excessive pressure, what can cause too much pressure, and how to fix it. We also look at the data from a velocity test of nine different 140-grain-class bullets.
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ive learned more from him than anyone else online.
He's very good at giving details and explanations.
same!
I fully agree
Yeah, most other people aren’t good at sharing and explaining the little details like he is.
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My grandpa used to reload before he died. I never learned from him as he died before I knew what was going on. In a weird way I feel like I'm learning from him through you. Thanks for keeping the tradition alive.
In regard to a sudden pressure spike with a tested load, several reasons might be in play. A different lot of the same powder may be the cause, a change of primer , a seating stem which came loose and backed off, a die that became loose and backed off. I know you buy in bulk and these would probably not happen to you, but a person who asked the question might not realize how much difference it can make. By the way, dies loosening up on me has happened. I know it shouldn't happen, but it does. I have been reloading since the early 70s and have made most of the mistakes a person can make. I am 78 and I learn something new almost every time I shoot. Thanks for your common sende approach to your videos. I think I know a lot about reloading, but I have tried to learn different ways to do things, that way I have a different way to do something if one way doesn't work.
This was so helpful, I can't thank you enough. I was getting great results with my 7mm-08, 145g Speer loads up near book max, but seeing flat primers. Velocity and groups were great, but my CCI primers were flatter than I was used to. Only had slightly heavy bolt lift at 40.7 grains of IMR 4895 with a 41.0 grain book max, but primers flat all the way back to 39.5 grains. There was almost no ejector marks or other primer marks that would indicate excessive pressures. This makes me more comfortable with determining reasonable pressure signs and reading multiple signs rather than just how flat the primers are. Thanks for continuing to put out these great videos, you have helped me to improve my shooting, reloading and be much more safe as I continue to learn. I am not a competitive shooter except that I have become competitive with shooting better every time I go to the range. Thank you!!!
Great video, I agree with your pressure sign method. FYI -- In Quickload, if you click on the Shot Start (Initiation) Pressure number an info box will drop down. Near the bottom of the info box it says, "WARNING: With bullet seated to touch rifling add 7200 psi to Start Pressure".
Talk about commitment. You’re shooting from your living room to make content. I appreciate it.
I think it's worth mentioning that bullet intrusion on case capacity also affects pressure. i recently set the barrel back on a rifle to achieve best accuracy at mag length OAL. All else being the same, i had to drop 1.5 grains of powder to get back to safe pressure. This was with a 338 RUM, 285 ELDM.
Sam I love your reloading methods and equipment explanations! I am a different marksman than you, I was into U.S. Military Service Rifle (NRA) target shooting from 1987 to 1995 using iron sights. I used my M1 Garand (March 1944 initial manufacture date, refurbished in 1952 by Springfield Armory) and an M1A Springfield (1987) Nation Match rifle. I used “Federal bench rest primers” for my M1A during my competitions. They were normally at 200 yards, but I loved shooting prone at the Appleton, WI 600 yard slow fire competition.
I agree with you on evaluating high chamber pressures. I used Federal brass (.308 Win), Sierra 168 grain HPBT Match King (2200) bullets, IMR 4895 (40.5 grains), and the Federal Bench Rest primers. My post fired primers were flat as a pancake. Primer flatness, after firing, depends on the cup metal thickness! So relying on primer condition, after firing, is not the total story! Your explanation, concerning extractor marking on the brass head, makes sense to me. I think both are important but you have to have the experience to evaluate both conditions. Hard to teach in a video.
I wish you were into service rifle reloading and firing! Reloading for a bolt gun and a gas semi-automatic rifle are very different from a safety stand point. Especially service rifles that have a floating firing pin and a gas system for semi-automatic firing that requires medium burning powder rates to prevent operating rod damage.
Aside from having my chamber polished and lugs lapped I see that I may be leaving too much lubricant in my chamber-I hope this resolves the hard to open bolt for extraction. Sam certainly has a talent for making educational videos. I've learned so much from this series.
I load to the lands myself . I shoot a 260 and run 43.2 4350 . These videos have helped me tremendously thank you .
I like the Erik Cortina method of starting seat depth at 0.020" clear of "jam". I take a sized case and seat a bullet then pull the bullet to make a seat depth test case that you can then push bullets into by chambering to determine jam point. It's a simple and reliable method that doesn't require wonky tools. Then I use the same loose neck test case to set up my bullet seat die. I can literally push the bullet into this case by dialing the micrometer on the die which gets me to within .001" of my target seat depth.
Sam, been watching your content for a couple years now. You’ve got great content!
Even so was extremely fascinated in watching your son bang out shots long time ago.
You’re a loading and marksman icon 👍
Also, a very professional presented web site you have..
Congratulations on a PERFECT series of videos on a subject, and thank you so much!!!
Thank you Sam, top notch information and a quality production as always.
I thoroughly enjoy your current series on precision load development, from cradle to grave, so to speak. Looking forward to the fired brass preparation episode up next.
Lot of reloading youtubers out there, but my man right here is definitely one of my favorites.
This is the best content on reloading on the internet.
Crazy good videos. Thank you for making these. They're great
You are switched on! Been watching your videos for some time now and really enjoy the content. I have modeled a lot of my reloading practices based on your development and it has really helped on improving mine. I have also been running the RDF bullets in the 140 grn class and found that I needed a huge amount of jump to bring my groups in. Thank you again for all the great information. Dave
Well, you just answered my question on what case I should modify to check seating depth. I'll drill and tap a fired case that has been shoulder bumped .002 in my .257 Roberts. Thanks for all the information Sam. Your excellent videos are very much enjoyed and appreciated. Stay well and good shooting.
Great stuff. You explained pressure signs and what to do with it better than I've heard anyplace else.
Thanks for sacrificing your brass! Great vid it makes much more sense I see flat primers before max powder charges.
Thank You much Sam.... for your complete detail of
ut-most accuracy information videos you do. Been following you for some time but now I'm really pinpointing the accuracy issue. Been reloading a while now.... my rifle rounds have .000" to .001" runout. (Must to doing SOMETHING right...lol) now I've really gotten into it.
Bullet off the lands etc. My rounds that I've been doing have been absolutely perfect in the general sense... nailing the gong at 540 yards out but, now watching your vids I've learned a hole lot more !! Thank you for your time doing YOUR vids !! Just want to get even more accurate. Thanks again... Scott
i found your channel today. six videos later here i am. this info will save me tons of time in the future and even today as i’m reloading. thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I have been watching a ton of reloading video’s trying to learn as much as I can. I recently found your channel and in 1 day have learned as much as all the others combined. You make everything so simple to understand l, thank you for putting the time in to teach others
This is an excellent series!!
Thanks for taking the time.
Back to review this series again! Working up loads for new 6.5 PRC. Once again, thank you for this outstanding information!!!
Excellent info and video again Sam, thanks for the follow up about the last video as well.
Thanks again mate. Good examples on the pressure, and advise on the projectile availability, getting one close enough, that you can get in bulk, or all the time! It'll be interesting to see which of your few you might lean towards, comes up with the goods!
This is the best video I’ve found on pressure signs. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for the videos sir. And the website is great. The articles are very well written. 👍
Loved all your explanations on this series of videos, learned quite a bit. Can wait to work my own loads! Thanks.
Good evening, I have enjoyed your videos very much.i am new at reloading you have help me quite a lot at deciding how far a
Person wants to go reloading ammo. I have watched your videos probably half dozen times. Each time i have watched your
Videos i pick up something i missed in the time before. Thank You George Mills
This have given me the confidence to work up to my max load in my Tikka T3x 6.5CM. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing a lot of useful information, kind of a refresher course for me, getting back into shooting after quite a few years of being to busy, glad thats over, this is the first video I have watched, looking forward to the rest ,
I really enjoy learning from your videos! They are to the point and very spot on. Keep on keeping on Sam! Thank you sir!
Sam, thanks for another informative video. Keep em coming.
You are a genius Sir, I can look and listen to you all day long
With all the videos on RUclips I keep rewatching Sam Panhandle Precision 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I was your 1000th like on this video! Good work! Wow I bing-watched your videos! Thanks for the great info. Your videos are excellent and not annoying haha. Thumbs up!
Thanks for you efforts to make the videos as you go!
Can't wait to watch this later but gave it a thumbs up for now!
Thank you for all your help. It is much appreciated
You've got really good info on your videos I've been loading for over 60 years and you've taught me a thing or 2
Thanks Sam very interesting vid learned a bit on pressure cheers from uk
Sam your video's are the best!
Really informative video.
I can run even more H4350in my 260 with 140 hybrids even in desert temps but I run a much roomier case.
Another masterpiece video has just been added to the Panhandle Precision Encyclopedia of Shooting and Reloading! I they gave awards for the best RUclips video, yours would win it hands down!
It's true that the "devil is in the details", but that truism can be interpreted in more than one way. Sometimes the devil is found not on too few details, but too many. That observation leads me to my question: How should differences in measured CBTO be interpreted? I mean, is a difference of say 0.10 in. between the longest and shortest round on a batch of 10 be of concern? How one uses a caliper can also cause measurable differences. How should these findings be interpreted? What is the correct way of using a caliper, many folks have never used one in their life. Again, thanks a whole bunch for your efforts in producing top quality vids. You've succeeded in developing quite a following, 10 K subscribers...wow!
very helpful, thank you! was starting to get some flattened primers, no ejector marks, no burnt marks around the primer. seating 0.011 off the lands.
couldn’t agree more with your point of view on primer pressure signs.
Thank you for this full series!!!!
Great video on pressure!
Excellent reloading demonstration to educate
Thanks for another awesome video. Love your videos sir. Very helpful
Great channel. Very informative.
Lots of great information, thanks for the great video!
Great video, enjoy watching your videos you always have good info that helps me improve my reloading skills. Thanks
At least I know I am not the only one who shoots out of my living room window. Great info!
By just moving further back off the lans you increasing the pressure in the cartridge, when you seat the bullet deeper into the case you decreasing the cartridge chamber space which pushes up the pressure. This is why you can get different results with different makes of brass with the same load because not all of them are the same thickness so the inside chamber size varies.
From Italy: thanks a lot for your very interesting videos.
I am not so able to follow you because of my not so good English but you are so crystal in speech that I think I am quite able to understand very well any idea.
Thank a lot
You’re welcome!
Great Information Sam, have you done or could you do a video on rifle build and component selection for hunting rifle and competition rifle. looking forward to more, Thanks.
Thanks for these. I have recently learned i have forgotten more than i thought LOL. Keep em going.
Your awesome! Thankyou for your videos we have learned so much from you, not everybody can be a teacher ☺
Excellent information. Thank You
Love the channel. Took your advice about the cci 250 primers over the br2s and i watched my ES almost disappear 2 range trips in a row! Thats with h4350 of course with no other change except a primer swap. Loaded up 2 exact same loads, 1 with h4350 and 1 with h4831sc.. once again only a primer swap and boom. Cci 250 grouped better with 2 powders. Definitely also agree on cup hardness too.. some primers “crater” and flow around the firing pin at the same time u get sticky bolt.. some dont. Never can just judge by how flat a primer is.. love this channel, thanks for the info, and keep up the good work!
oh..ive got a 6mm Creed.. I ran into the exact same problem with finding the Bergers in the 105 HVLD which was my go-to round.. I'm making the switch to Hornady 103 eld-x and 108 eld-M since I can find them everywhere.
88gt306 I use br2 primers on my 6.5 creedmoor. Should I try the 250 primers ? I’m kinda new to reloading so please let me know if it would help me ! Thanks
Agreed. Plus CCI primers tend to have harder cups than other brands.
Alpha6Five 2 years later I see your comment lol. I hope you made the swap to magnum primers by now
Very nice. I head is swimming with all the great information, thanks
Thanks for these very thorough videos.
Great information👍 Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for all the great content you put out Sam! I've been frustrated in the past when people start a load series and don't fallow through with what they say they will do. You do don't disappoint and are clear with what you're going to do next. One of the most important things I have got out of you're series is the importance of taking detailed notes for future reference. Also I've been reading a lot of Shawn Carlock's article's some good stuff there. His 7mm terminator coming soon is interesting to me. Do you have any intention of shooting it some day?
I'll probably be doing some of the testing of the 284 Terminator.
Panhandle Precision looking forward to that and you're next video on fired case's. Thank you again!
awesome video. Thanks for the great advises!!!
Evening buddy from England. I'll like to say thanks for sharing mate an ya time. You have a good looking rifle my I say. I have a savage axis ll in 308. Just getting started. I'm looking into reloading in time but I'm like a lot of others a family too look after first then my hobby. Thanks for sharing mate. ATVB too you an yours. God bless Andy
Great info with excellent explintions
Great work 👏
Thanks! Great video - much appreciated. Now, to part Vll
Damn fine advice on interpreting pressure signs!
Great advice.
Love your videos keep up the good work, quick question, what are your thoughts on the Redding indicator for headspace vs using the caliper equipment?
Thank you learning a lot from you
Very well informed, & information
Hi Sam @Panhandle Precision I've just picked up on your comment about Quickload assuming 'Touching the lands'. There's a clue in there that would suggest it assumes jump. When you mouse over the shot start pressure it advises that you add 7200 psi when touching the lands. ( A bit late to the party I know 😉)
I really like your videos your very informative
It would be interesting to have you measure / compare the cartridges you shot over pressure with a cartridge comparator - base to shoulder. I found my 250 Ack would leave the cases just a couple thousands longer on the rounds when pressure started to be an issue. But I have not duplicated those results yet.
I’ve been going about this the wrong way. Thanks for the info. I’m gonna step it up. I just got around to loading some 300 win mag and only managed around 2700 FPS with retumbo and 225 gr eld match on a 26” barrel with 1-9 twist. I’m thinking I can get more out of it.
magillagorilla1180 lol i averaged 2875 with h1000 with that same bullet at safe max pressure with my 300 WM. 26 inch barrel.
Great info thanks !
on point!! awesome!!
Good show Thanks
Good info. Thanks.
You can adjust the QL to take in to account jaming the bullet in to the lands.
Hey Sam thank you for all your time spent on your videos quick question when doing load development if you’re single loading a cartridge not putting it in your box Mag will you get injector marks sooner when you’re below where you expect to see them at high pressure. Hopefully that makes sense
Amazing video, like always. :--)
Well that was very helpful thank you.
Great job on the videos. Very informative and glad I came across the channel. Sam which ammo boxes do you use for your reloads? I like that style with a nice handle and a actual latch. Where could I find some?
Matthew Payne www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/rifle/ammo-boxes-rifle-h-50.php
I bought mine at a local Sportsman’s Warehouse.
GOLD!
Sam have you ever experienced an increase in pressure from hot to cold weather? In two hunting rifles 270win using RL22 and 300WSM using RL19 I experienced hi pressure after moving to Idaho and shooting while cold. I assumed I messed something up and unloaded everything and reloaded the 270win with 66g of RL22 (max). Again experiencing hi pressure in cold weather...sub 30 degrees. I was looking at switching to an hodgdon extreme powder. I did the “extreme tour” on their website. There is data there that suggests a 30-06 had an increase in pressure at low temps and a decrease in velocity. News to me. I will try and add a link soon.
Thanks for all the great videos in this series, I'm still a newbie and realise that I've been obsessing over unnecessary practices. Is that a different scope on your rifle at the end of the video? What happened to the NF?
The NF is in the safe. I'll be shooting with the Bushnell XRS II for awhile to review it.
Watch out if your near max and you clean the chamber or barrel. The 1st few rounds on the clean unslick rifling, will jack up pressure really fast !!!!! (only on max or very very close to max loads)
Being fairly new to rifle reloading, I am trying to reason why if you seat the bullet deeper into case you don't incur higher pressure due to decreased volume for powder burn vs pressure built up due to sitting closer to lans.
Great video. I think the primers not flattening might be a different story with cci 200's
Hey Sam, great info thanks. I'm a newbie and currently loading for Savage VLP in 204. My loads are looking deadly at 0.4gr and more higher than the powder recommended top (Benchmark 8208). No pressure signs at all. Do you have an opinion on when you stop going higher? Or, can I do damage going higher even if there are no signs of pressure? Any answers from anyone welcome please!
Now I can see why my load batches measured end to end are so much difference than measuring to the ogive. I've been chasing the wrong measurements. Yes I'm a newbie. Only been doing for a couple years.
The problem I have when I clean the brass, is that there is always some corn cob stuck in the flash hole. How do you deal with that problem? Why don’t you do a video about what happens when you reload a rifle round and tumbling media remains/lodged in the brass. How it effects pressure, accuracy, and how likely it is to blow up the gun. You make awesome videos and I'm most grateful for all the work you do.
You can use a 0.0001” veneer caliper on the case web just in front of the rim looking for an increase of 0.00005” which in spoken language one half ten thousands.