Something like that. They learned the 9's are the top of the line and they don't get that those are older products that aren't as good compared to newer. Also is the sellers being stubborn. They got those products as top line expensive and they haven't managed to sell them all when it was time and now they refuse to accept reality and just keep the price high like that hoping some f00l like the above will buy.
IMO, there is nothing wrong buying a 9900K today, to give 2-3 more years to your platform, but not at 500. CPUs don't really "age". They either work or they don't anymore. The CPU is the one part I've no issue buying used, as long as I can test it beforehand. Motherboards, drives, even GPU's, I tend to avoid, because it's way easier for a seller to hide (intentionnally or not) critical flaws.
While i agree with most of what you said, the "don't age" thing isn't necessarily 100% true. For a regular user, yeah i agree. But for a hardcore overclocker that was milking every last MHz etc and pushing the CPU to its limits day in and day out, manufacturers have claimed that the CPU will not last as long, or age faster.
@@computerheadquarters You're right, milking every last drip of performance out of a chip can "degrade" it, but the vast majority of said degradation will come in the form of "at some point you were able to hit xxxx MHz at a given voltage, now you have to settle for -100MHz at said voltage" I've been in that industry for almost 25 years, and I never saw a CPU dying on it's own. All the CPUs I've seen getting fried were busted by either a faulty mobo or PSU.
you forgot the PSU. theres some used seasonic 1000w out there. For me Haswell "aged" very well 4790k still can perform like a boss. with ddr3 being dirt cheap now, its the most go to on creating a sleeper build.
I built my 9900K system in late 2019, and it carried me through the lockdowns like a champ. My friend who wanted to be cheap built a system at the same time based on the i5-8600, because “i5s are best for gaming”, are now constantly hounding me to buy my 9900K when I eventually upgrade 😂 He is exactly the type of person who would pay full price for a 9900K to not have to build a new PC. Never underestimate laziness.
Some people (like me) have bought expensive motherboards back in the 8700k era, and now they want to keep the system and give it a little more lifespan. I didn't pay that much (my i9 9900k was about 290 USD) and I'm quite satisfied with the performance bump over my old i7 8700.
I did the LITERAL same thing. Had a 8700 non-k, saw the 9900k dropped to around $250ish about 2 years ago and figured Id take advantage of it with the good z390 board. Still running it today
For me too... from 8700k to i9900k (Used for 250 euros) and my graphics card from GTX 1080 to RTX 4070 and from 16 to 32GB of ram. This should last until 2025, when I will swap everything. I don't have a game that maxes out my I9900k.
Completely agree. I love your video's. I have been in the computer business myself for a few years (in Europe, quite small scale), and your videos always give a nice insight in your work. Would love to see more of your day to day operations (buying, warehouse, orders, shipping, customer service, everything).
Thanks Thijmen. Will try to post more but been busy. We are actually working on releasing about 30 videos all in a row soon showcasing our new Lan center.
This. I just upgraded my 9900k to a 13600k and it was a decent upgrade I think. My 4070 no longer is bottlenecked. I paid about 500€ for it. So I wanted to sell my old cpu+mb so I put it out on auction. I Figured if I get 250€ for it im happy. I got about 400€.... So I just paid less then 100€ for my upgrade. Quite happy with that!
Yeah, if you are not playing games and don't have a fairly updated graphics card like 4080/4090 then you probably wont notice much difference. If you have a 4080/4090 then you might get something like 10-20% more FPS depending on the game. But overall, yeah you're right, it's not a huge leap by any means, especially if you have a really solid OC on your 9900k.
@computerheadquarters I get bare fps drops in fortnite now with the i9 I'm about to pair it with a 4070 super! What cpu would u recommend to pair the 4070 super with?
I think it's because it's the best chip from a dead platform. I ran into a similar situation looking for the best FM2+ CPU for my spare PC. Also wanted a 9900KS for my main PC but yeah too expensive. Ended up finding a really good deal on a used 9700K.
Saw people here commenting on upgrading to this cpu on their platform for ~300usd as it was 'cheap'. Still, why not go B760 DDR4 motherboard + something like 13500? It has double the performance on multithreaded, 25% more single thread not to mention pcie4 SSD support and all the new features it has to offer. And the best thing is upgrade path to something like 14900 in the long run. And all of this for the same price or maybe 50 bucks more than this old i9, not even counting in the possibility of selling the old mobo to compensate some of the price
There’s been a few channels that have pointed out the increased latency of the 12th-14th gen chips. I personally haven’t noticed it on my 12700k, but if you want the lowest latency possible, you’d want 11th gen or lower.
@@GewelReal Don't be obtuse. 1. Obviously you can't feel a few nanoseconds of extra latency directly, but you sometimes can feel when overall performance is reduced significantly as a result of that higher latency. If every data transfer has 50ns of extra latency added to it and cuts your fps in half, you will probably notice it. 2. DPC latency is not just a few ns, it's hundreds of microseconds (usually about 1/10 to 1/3 of a second), which *is* directly noticeable.
Another good example. The 7700k was the best CPU you could put into that generation of socket so can still get a premium...but even in it's hayday it was more like $300 premium, not $500.
He's talking brand new in box obviously theyr expensive . 8700k still going for 350+ brand new,. 9900k They selling around 140/170 bucks on ebay and that is a beast of a cpu considering it still goes strong in late 2024 and stillcan play anything strong
I was able to get a used 12600k (which also smashes the 9900k) with 32gb 4200mhz RAM, a b660 MB, and a Noctua cpu cooler. All for $200. I was surprised!
2 months late but i got my boy a used one for $109 on ebay as a christmas gift, he currently has an i3 9100f, tested it at the dudes house and it worked perfectly, so excited for my bud to get this and pair it with his 5500 XT, a bit overkill but he needs a cpu that'll last him a bit due to his low budget (under $100 atm) and it being very hard to find jobs in our city
I bought one in 2019 for about 300eu, always worked like a champ. Though I am thinking about switching to the 7800x3d because there's quite a performance bump in high refresh rate gaming
me too. especially when gaming in 4k. this cpu is even more power efficient than the newest chips. this is why i keep 9900KS. new cpus suck and they are not worth a penny when considering an upgrade
@@EasternUNO I just swapped me 9900k for a 9900KS (and made a 12€ profit doing so). Now i am swapping my 3200 cl16 kit for a 3800 cl14 kit. Trying to get the last and most performance out of this Z370 board from 2017. The only part still original of my pc is the motherboard and the case :-)
Reason being is the pple dont want to change the mother board and a cooler (in some cases).. so they have a B360 MB and want to go the top dog to post pond updates.
I buy a I9-11900KF last year for EUR 349. Okay, second hand but the CPU but looked like new, no scratches, no obvious signs of use. Even today, on a different platform (ebay) you can buy one ranging from $250 - $350, brand new. Either Amazon prices are way-off from reality or something else is going on. Anyways, price does not reflect the actual value of an item since long-long time ago. Weird that a 2 generations newer CPU could be purchased $150 cheaper.
My old backup computer had an E8400 2 core CPU. To up grade it, I eventually had to fork out a massive $21 to replace it with a Q9500 4 core CPU. Yep, upgrading back then was a heck of a lot cheaper. But the old 2008 Lenovo m58p klunker can still handle RUclips videos at 1440p 60 fps.
I feel like thats gonna be the same situation with the 5800x3d in the next few years. It will hold its value. I have one coming in the mail soon and hope to hold on to it for a good while
I'm convinced that the people who are still buying 9900k's don't know what their buying and they don't realize their getting ripped off. The 9900k is pretty slow for today's standards and I know things such as frame time and one % lows have to be terrible for modern games.
I just sold my 10850k motherboard and 32GB of 3200 ram for $300 and was happy. Bought a 7800x3D motherboard and 32GB of 6000 ram from micro center for $490 including tax
For anyone who wants to upgrade to i9-9900K and keep it for the next 3-4 years I'd highly recommend doing so with b-dies on hand. That cpu is an absolute latency beast and truly shines with ram overclocking. Edit: check out my new OC vs Stock video with i9-9900K. Insane gains.
@@ISFRedSandman I guess you've seen my video with oc gains on i9-9900KS? :) Performance wise that will last 3 years easily, with a full tune on subtimings/ring etc. that cpu is really damn fast. Your mobo - who knows 😂 I guess it's z370?
Also it's in a alienware r9 I believe with 32gb ram and 2080 super. I was thinking upgrade to i9900k amd then when 50 series drops buy used or discounted 40 series
I'm considering a 9900k because I currently have an i5 9600k. It would fit the same socket meaning I don't have to change my motherboard and ddr4 ram (64gb). If I could find a motherboard that took a newer CPU but allowed me to keep my ram I'd be happy to go newer.
Definitely get a new motherboard. A B760 or B660 DDR4 motherboard with an i5-12400F, or any low-end AM4 motherboard with a Ryzen 5 5600, will be slightly faster, much more efficient, and likely cheaper overall.
First time I've had someone talk folks out of buying their product. Kudos for that! Although I can see why someone would want to buy the i9-9900k if they have a platform running that supports it and that is software. If you have been running a system for a few years with an OEM license for Windows and have a lot of production software installed, it can be a lot more than just a couple of hours for the motherboard change. Plus, you might have to buy a new copy of Windows.
As if they don't just get a 5(6/7)00x? I have the 7800x3d with an RTX 4080 in my main rig with a 5600x and gtx760 in my wifes PC (she doesn't really game much but still likes a fast PC for everything else). And the 5600x is honestly a GREAT CPU! I used it with my 4080 until i got my AM5 parts
I see them around 250-350 on eBay now, and that is still ridiculously expensive. I was looking at upgrading from an 8700k and dropping in a 9700k (after my Ryzen 3600's motherboard died), but no way. I'd do it for maybe $150, max that CPU is worth. For the price of the 9900k, I could easily buy a Ryzen 5700 and a cheaper B550 mobo.
Intel's next generation is actually expected to be branded as "2nd gen Core Ultra" rather than "14th gen Core". They're discontinuing the i3/i5/i7/i9 brands. Hopefully that will convince people who think an obsolete CPU is good in 2024 "because it's an i7/i9" to finally buy something new.
Still using a 9900k from 5 years ago paired with a 4070ti. Yes, some games dont run the gpu at 100% utilization but since alot of modern games are taking advantage of DLSS3/frame generation I can see myself keeping it for another couple of years, maybe abit longer 👍
Because it's an absolute beast of a CPU and if you have a LGA1151 processor, this is a great CPU. With a modern GPU like a 3080 or 4080 you can run 4K/Ultrawide without the CPU bottle-necking.
Hey man I've Commented on lots of pages nobody seems to want to reply but I'll shoot my shot here I'm looking to upgrade i got a b360 300 series 9th gen mother board 6 cores Intel i5 9600k Rtx 3060 32gbs of ram and idk if i should buy the i9-9900k or just upgrade to a newer gen mother board,ddr5 and processor but I have no idea what to do
That is a solid question. There are a variety of factors to consider. #1 how much do you like the tinkering/building side of the hobby? If you love building new PCs then it's an easy answer to go with a new platform just for the fun of the "legos" of it. #2 do you have some money available to you that you are comfortable with spending on the upgrade? If money is tight right now i'd always recommend to save your money and keep gaming on what you got, and in this case, if you have ~$200 to spare for a 9900k but not ~$600 for a full combo like i7-14700k+Z790+32GB DDR5 Kit / 7800x3d+b650+32gb DDR5 kit - do what is right for your budget so that you're still comfortable paying bills and not racking up debt. #3 If you buy a 9900k it'll probably be used around ~$200 and there is always a chance you could use it for 6 months and then it dies and has no warranty. Everyone is different about that kind of thing and their risk tolerance, but it's something to consider. I personally have used many many used/refurb parts over the past 20 years with really good results so I don't hesitate to do it...but that is not financial advice.
@@computerheadquarters @computerheadquarters I've never built a PC or done upgrades I've had my pc for a year and I'm wanting to upgrade it and learn I don't really have cash I was going to upgrade with my tax return 🙃 and im looking for the smartest budget long term idea lol if that makes sense
@@imtweakz You are thinking about upgrading from a 9600k to a 9900k. I'm assuming you want to upgrade because you are playing games and you want to get better performance (More FPS), right? If so, what video card is in your system?
because if you have the top ram like patriot viper steal 4400mhz with customized timings, you get the same gaming performance like any new cpu nowadays or very similair to them. Even my 8700k still fine because of that - i lose 10 avg fps compare to 14700k in the Cyberpunk. But i wish too have 8 cores now, so i will buy 9900k.
Are you talking about stock 14700k with shitty XMP or OC? I still think a stock 14700k even with garbage ram, will beat out the 8700k by just more than 10fps in cpu-bound conditions, even if the 8700k has a golden imc since newer games scale with more cores. Also I would not even bother getting a 9900k, a 12700kf regularly goes on sale for $200.00 USD. Pair that with a MSI A-Pro z690 plus 2x16 DR B-die and you got a 6-10 year cpu for $500.00
@@KACHKATV I'm hoping the reason you say that is because you just literally didnt listen to the video itself. If you actually want to know the answer to your question, just listen to the video.
Still running a 9900K@5ghz, its still a good CPU but showing its age in a few recent poorly optimized titles even at 3440x1440 using a 3080TI. A couple of games do slightly bottleneck the GPU.
My trusty 9900KS (5GHz All Core) is holding the line for me till 15th Gen. I game at 4K with a 4090 on an 85" television in a living room setup. Everyone kept telling me that my 9900K and DDR4 ram would bottleneck my 4090. If so, I can't tell. 4K gaming at Ultra settings at locked 60fps. And even then, my 9900KS rarely goes above 60% utilization in any game. I don't really see why I need to upgrade to be honest, but I just feel running a 9th Gen in 2024 would kinda be silly.
You might? We actually posted some refurbished units this week too so we had some for sale at a more reasonable $329.99. Only 5 left of the brand new ones though, 3 sold today.
I build my pc in 2019 Coming from an i5 9600k and GTX1070 OC today in 2024 my PC is starting to show its age. OBS, PC gaming and discord are CPU hungry so it is time to upgrade to i9 9900k, i remember the day i could not afford the i9 and case of glory. I am also going to be in the market for a rtx 3080 in summer 2024 or black friday. NO LIE the i5 9600k at 1080p 60fps - 300 fps variable served me so well! It is a pity the CPU will soon retire. I just love Intel team blue harmony with nvidia gpu, my system crashed ONCE. I see an offer for 200 bucks for the cpu and im picking it up monday.
yuck I would never buy a 5 gen old cpu for $500. Hell, I wont pay that for a CPU in my main build. I only game and light render. I picked mine up years ago for $299. My son has it now and I'm using a 12th gen CPU. I did not pay even close to full price for it either. I get all my stuff through return pallets. if you are so against the price why dont your price reflect that?
I have 9900k that I purchased back in late 2018. I needed the best single core performance for my use case scenario. The 13900k seems to be the best now. If I wanted to upgrade would you recommend basing my system around that cpu? I do prefer Intel.
The 13900k is a great choice. The 14900k is about to come out too. Depends on what you use your PC for - if you only game and do basic use, its really hard to beat the 7800x3d. If you're doing a lot of other high end workstation stuff might be worth getting the extra cores and going 13900k or 7950x.
@@computerheadquarters mostly MAME - I use frame delay to reduce lag as much as possible. It’s surprisingly taxing for the cpu. I may upgrades to the 14900. Maybe a bozo will buy my cpu for $500! ;)
Depends on what you are doing exactly (gaming/cad/video editing etc) but yes, as far as performance benchmarks go, the Ryzen 5 7600 is a lot faster than the i9-9900k.
evryone who have 9900k have it ocd to 5ghz , i wonder what scores it have to 5800x3d edit: i just run tests single score: 3018 , multi 20145 (5ghz) , IT is worth to stay at ddr4 And upgrade to 5800x3d or go for 7800x3d or mby still use my 9900 for few more years , cuz i think It is still decend CPU im using It for few years And i bought IT back then for 350 (It was amazing deal more then 3year ago) (i have very good 4000mhz ram 32gb)
Currently looking at buying a 9900k for 160$ used to replace my 9700k. And I’m contemplating not doing it. But I also won’t upgrade till 2025 if I don’t buy the cpu. Pls help 😂 my brain is not comprehending this dilemma
I just got a i9 9900k for 270 after shipping and tax sealed box. I have a 9400f. I have the same thought of not upgrading till 2025. I think that I will see much better performance as I will be recording gameplay using OBS. I think it's worth. You could get a good 12th gen motherboard that supports ddr5 ram. it's expensive but you could get a i5 12th gen under 220 and a ddr5 motherboard for 210. all of this is USD. or get a am5 motherboard and am5 cpu.
$500+and they don't even get the totally collectible value added octagonal box! That's one thing I'm glad I went ahead and just bought. 6.1ghz 1c 5.2 all core! Thanks to the XTU forum community.(EK 360 Aorus master everything, Seasonic PSU and a lil silicon lottery luck!) I think I paid less than $500 when it was 6 months after launch.
Tryna grab one second hand for $200 or less.some guy local accepted my offer of $120 but I have yet to see him commit to meeting with me. If I had $500 for a cpu I’d definitely look at am5 motherboard or something
I just priced up my parts, and in uk, I could get based on recent selling buy now data on ebay, over £700 for my i9 9900k and my gigabyte aorus master motherboard with 64gb hyper x ram. But I would have to deal with all the scammers, and ebay siding with scammer on parts which I know work perfectly. So what would I do. well if I was upgrading, it would be cash on collection. they see it working, see it do a benchmark, and then hand over a little less cash. or I'd let my gf have it, which is probably the more likely case. and then sell her system which is my older system with an i7 8700k upgraded because I needed more power.
9900K is very good for games still but certainly better CPU can be had for less. For example i7-10700K is cheaper than i9-9900K albeit being similar 8c 16t CPU not to mention newer ones like i7-12700K which are 300 as new.
@@sukmikehok1384 just check Hardware Unboxed video where they test multiple (30+) CPUs in some games. i3 12100 is faster than i9 9900k but just a little. And 12400 is much better than i9 9900k.
@@kotboyarkin5032 I have watched comparision between them. 12400f is similar with stock i9 9900k in some games but overclocked i9 9900k is faster and i3 is nowhere near i9 9900k.
10th and 11th were not worth it over a 9900k for gaming only in the last generation or 2 i.e. 12/13th did it become more worth it to upgrade esp since you needed a new mobo, really amd is now the way to go these days
Console Emulation AVX 512. You can still use the 10 & 11 Series but 9-11 are highly sought for in the console emulation world. I have 2 9900K & 1 10900K, prolly hold on to them until Intel brings back AVX 512. I don't do AMD due to issues I had w/ them.
WTF are you talking about? The i9-9900K *does not support* AVX512. the i9-9900X (HEDT CPU) does, but the 9900K does not. 11th gen is the only Intel generation that supports AVX512 on mainstream platforms.
I mean why would you ask when you know that the only reason they buy either an upgrade from an i5 or I7 9000 series or just a benchmark or overclock which is really rare or even they just don't know what to buy but I have to say it it's a bravery from you to tell the truth even if it will make less people buying this from you
Seems like Intel cpus hold their value too much for it to be worth upgrading on the same platform. You might as well buy a new cpu on a new socket and get the same performance bump at the same cost. compare that to am4 where you could save a lot of money buying a new cpu used and put it into your old motherboard. Upgrading within your socket on intel seems like the Illusion of value savings because of scalping
Recommending garbage MB's...??? SOME people have high end MB's and still run 9900K's now and they work just fine. Plays all the newest games fine with a RTX 3080. No plans to upgrade anytime soon either as there is no need. Would I buy one new today, ah no, not for $500 I wouldn't. But then I also wouldn't buy what you were recommending either with the garbage MB's. I figure I have another 3 or 4 years with the 9900K. But then I will never build an AMD machine for myself in the 1st place. Been building machines for almost 30 years and I will never build an AMD anything. There is really no reason to really, not when there is still rock solid stable Intel platforms to use.
Garbage? How do you figure? Are you some sort of motherboard expert? Do you sells 100's of computers and 1000's of motherboards per month, so you know what fails vs what is reliable? Please enlighten me.
@@computerheadquarters Selling doesn't mean you know anything really. Other than selling and or getting someone to spend money. You won't be there 2 to 5 years down the road for the person who's machine died early due to budget quality parts. Some people want their machines to last more than a few years. Especially these days and with the systems being so powerful the need to upgrade isn't so often anymore. So yeah just keep pushing those low quality parts to make that next sale. You sound like a lot of people on the PC Forums over the years giving horrible Information catering to the low budget buyers. Surprised you didn't recommend ram, that would have been some cheap generic brand? Same with maybe a $35 PSU and $25 SSD? In computer hardware you really do get what you pay for in general. The reason what there is still so much junk out there is because people keep buying it, not because it's actually good.
@@jankerson1 We sell stuff that is newer gen but also a lot of older stuff too...so we see a lot of gear in general and see trends of problems as well. There is no trend of problems with lower cost motherboards dying more often. In fact, i'd even argue that some of the higher cost motherboards have more issues because they have more features to break.
@@computerheadquarters It really depends on what the machine is going to be used for. If it's an email machine it really doesn't matter that much as long as the parts are good quality. But for the higher end gaming machines things really do start to matter a lot. Voltage regulation and quality VRMS do matter. The base platform of a computer is the Motherboard and the PSU. If those two things are rock solid stable then the chance is better that the machine will handle just about anything thrown at it with little problem. It's not what the person is going to do right now with the PC, it's what their future plans are, upgrade path. (A lot of them LIE about that) Have a low end MB and PSU then start plugging in high end GPU's and CPU's and watch it start to have stability issues. Up to including the PSU frying the GPU, seen that happen a lot. PSU cooking the MB and GPU. With the pricing these days being outlandishly high still I can see why people could be getting the lower end boards. $200 for a $50 to $70 MB (Low Tier) as an example. Right now you just aren't getting anything for your money and won't until the prices come back down to normal again. There is no way I would even think about building anything these days with the pricing the way it is.
The Intel 7th to 10th gen CPUs are the only ones that support Intel SGX for 4K UHD Blu-ray playback. I'd get a 10th gen for that if I didn't already have a 9900K haha. Folks better not be buying these just for gaming....
Nobody should skimp out on a motherboard either. They just have the market perfectly priced to get as much money for the most logical simple upgrade possible.
I disagree, lots of people should skimp out on their motherboards. Buy the cheapest motherboard that has a good enough VRM for your CPU (and for future CPU upgrades, if that matters to you) and all the features you're likely to need. There is literally no reason to pay more for extra connectivity and overclocking options if you won't use them. High-end motherboards are almost always a waste of money, and the motherboard is usually the first (or second, after the PC case) place you should look to save money on a PC build. You almost never want to choose the absolute cheapest motherboard option unless you're going to be using an i3 and don't care about upgrade options, but there are plenty of
Buying an i9-9900k for $500 is a bit odd. Buying an i9-9900kf used for $240 and just swapping out your 9th gen i5/i7 and keeping the existing ram/gpu is way more affordable than building a new rig. Now you could argue that upgrading PC every 3-4years is expected, but if the current rig works, why not keep it that way? Purely for gaming purposes i9-9900 will be more than enough. If you are a professional and use PC for work, then chances are you are already on pretty new rig to keep up with hardware demand. But that's only my opinion.
The reason you have no choice but to buy the 9900k is that it is the last CPU to support windows 7. For government offices, government agencies, hospitals, etc., it is more advantageous to purchase a CPU than to build a new system.
Simple answer : because they're completely fooled by intel's naming scheme. I had a talk the other day with my sister and asked her why she's choosen to let the pc building company put an 10900k in her rather new pc. Her answer : because who runs an i5 in 2022, DUH (Context : originally this pc was configured with an 12600k). The irony in this is that the cheaper 2022 i5 (12600/13600k) would've given her more performance than the more expensive i9 10900k but intel's dogshit naming scheme lets peasants believe that an i9 will always be better than an i5.
@@computerheadquarters Well, let's don't even start with Nvidia. They're even worse than Intel and Intel is rather aids already. That being said though, their GPUs are (unfortunately) the ones to get imo. Can't imagine a life without Shadowplay anymore and Nvidia has a whole lot of other features going for them too where AMD simply can't compete. However, very happy to see that AMD has put Intel in their place already but i can't see that happening with Nvidia anytime soon unfortunately.
It's not always the case, a tuned 10900K can frequently be noticeably faster than a base 12600K in games, and more people have this cpu highly tuned up on average than 12600K users (flagship mindset vs more mainstream). But if not tuned, surely 12600K is better. However, 10900K is now said to be a superior chip latency wise, windows experience is going to feel better. Honestly, intel's first i9s were absolutely dope and ahead of the game. Can't believe that almost all cpus till 2021 whether from 10-11th gens or zen3 were just hovering around a 2018 cpu in gaming performance, and literally nothing could beat it in latency.
@@HeartOfAdel Sorry but arguing with an overclocked 10900k against a stock 12600k is complete and utter nonsense. It's not like you can't overclock an 12600k so your argument is completely pointless and straight up invalid. Same goes for your latency argument. You certainly can't feel ANYTHING in that regard in windows and if you pair the 12600k with an decent DDR4 (Gear1) or DDR5 kit the same goes for gaiming so that's another completely invalid argument. Apart from that, everything between the 6700k (Skylake) and 10900k was far away from being ahead of its time. It was the same process all across just with a bunch of cores and a bit of clockspeeds added. That's as basic as it could get. The only thing that i would consider calling ahead of its time when speaking about gaming performance is the 7800X3D with its 3D V-Cache. Uses one third of the power draw of intels currently best performing gaming cpu (14900k) and even manages to beat it here and there and for the most part straight up matches it. That's what you call "ahead of its time". You could argue that intels P-Core E-Core hybrid architecture was ahead of its time as well but i wouldn't want to do that since that shit brings more trouble than anything else when it comes to gaming. Most people with Intel 12th Gen upwars are still playing with everything enabled not realizing that this CPU in a lot of games will perform heaps better with those stupid E-Cores disabled entirely. So yeah, great inovation. Now i have to benchmark every new game i want to play in order to figure out wether it runs better with e-cores disabled. Idiotic Concept...
@@NoName-st6zc I think I clearly stated that 12600K is faster, but more enthusiats own 10900K, so finding tuning on that one is a bit more habitual. Secondly, latency issues are widely talked about now in newer 12-14th gen cpus. Their new hybrid architecuture is in a way stepback from "pure" ring bus. 10900K has that thing clocking to the moon, stronger memory access and doesn't have ecore scheduling weirdness. There's plenty of reports now of degraded snappiness after upgrading from 9-10th gens to 12+. I'd advise you to do more research/maybe testing. 7800X3D is a very impressive cpu, and 3d cache itself is quite a break-through. But its level of performance is already matched by other cpus of the current era. And if you didn't guess, I was talking about i9-9900K, not 10900K (and even 10900K has the highest amount of p-cores of any Intel cpu with still top level latency, still quite exceptional). It absolutely utterly was ahead of its time (honestly the whole ring bus was) despite the skylake stagnation. I'm not sure if you recall, but almost all amd and even Intel's own cpus from 2020-2021 (before 12th gen) just overall fps matched a cpu that had been released 3 YEARS AGO, and by that day it remains the lowest latency 8p core+ chip. That is the longest king status. I highly doubt that in 2026, flasgship cpus are still gonna be around 7800x3d in games. That is, truly ahead of its time, hence the first i9 title reflecting that.
I just did a search and found that this isn't necessarily true. If you own a Retail version of Windows, then it can be transferred to new hardware. It's only the OEM version of Windows that is linked.
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I wonder if people with more money than sense just see all those 9's in the model name, and see the high price, and assume it's the best.
Something like that. They learned the 9's are the top of the line and they don't get that those are older products that aren't as good compared to newer.
Also is the sellers being stubborn. They got those products as top line expensive and they haven't managed to sell them all when it was time and now they refuse to accept reality and just keep the price high like that hoping some f00l like the above will buy.
Im rich
Give me the best
And dont anoying me
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Well said. Similar stuff happens with cars.
literally how Apple users hive minds work
IMO, there is nothing wrong buying a 9900K today, to give 2-3 more years to your platform, but not at 500.
CPUs don't really "age". They either work or they don't anymore. The CPU is the one part I've no issue buying used, as long as I can test it beforehand.
Motherboards, drives, even GPU's, I tend to avoid, because it's way easier for a seller to hide (intentionnally or not) critical flaws.
While i agree with most of what you said, the "don't age" thing isn't necessarily 100% true. For a regular user, yeah i agree. But for a hardcore overclocker that was milking every last MHz etc and pushing the CPU to its limits day in and day out, manufacturers have claimed that the CPU will not last as long, or age faster.
@@computerheadquarters You're right, milking every last drip of performance out of a chip can "degrade" it, but the vast majority of said degradation will come in the form of "at some point you were able to hit xxxx MHz at a given voltage, now you have to settle for -100MHz at said voltage"
I've been in that industry for almost 25 years, and I never saw a CPU dying on it's own. All the CPUs I've seen getting fried were busted by either a faulty mobo or PSU.
@@lamikal2515 I've seen a lot of fried CPUs...But they were mostly 6th/7th gen.
@@computerheadquarters on their own? Or due to an external factor?
you forgot the PSU. theres some used seasonic 1000w out there. For me Haswell "aged" very well 4790k still can perform like a boss. with ddr3 being dirt cheap now, its the most go to on creating a sleeper build.
I built my 9900K system in late 2019, and it carried me through the lockdowns like a champ. My friend who wanted to be cheap built a system at the same time based on the i5-8600, because “i5s are best for gaming”, are now constantly hounding me to buy my 9900K when I eventually upgrade 😂 He is exactly the type of person who would pay full price for a 9900K to not have to build a new PC. Never underestimate laziness.
One of the better replies i've seen :) "Never underestimate laziness." well said!
I bought my 9900k for 300.00 on the used market a couple years ago. It's still a beast on its own.
Some people (like me) have bought expensive motherboards back in the 8700k era, and now they want to keep the system and give it a little more lifespan.
I didn't pay that much (my i9 9900k was about 290 USD) and I'm quite satisfied with the performance bump over my old i7 8700.
I did the LITERAL same thing. Had a 8700 non-k, saw the 9900k dropped to around $250ish about 2 years ago and figured Id take advantage of it with the good z390 board. Still running it today
Yeah at $250-300 it's a completely different story. Also keep in mind, those old motherboards can still be worth gooooood money :)
For me too... from 8700k to i9900k (Used for 250 euros) and my graphics card from GTX 1080 to RTX 4070 and from 16 to 32GB of ram. This should last until 2025, when I will swap everything. I don't have a game that maxes out my I9900k.
@@andretaleb666I have a i5 8400 with a amd 5600 xt graphics card, is it worth upgrading to a used i9 9900k?
Yeah I bought one NIB for 250. Way cheaper than upgrading the whole machine.
Completely agree. I love your video's. I have been in the computer business myself for a few years (in Europe, quite small scale), and your videos always give a nice insight in your work. Would love to see more of your day to day operations (buying, warehouse, orders, shipping, customer service, everything).
Thanks Thijmen. Will try to post more but been busy. We are actually working on releasing about 30 videos all in a row soon showcasing our new Lan center.
Until you've owned a 9900k you no NOTHING Jon Snow. 😏
I've owned probably somewhere around 1000 of them...
@@computerheadquarters Then you know why people are still buying them at these prices... Jon Snow.
@@Bronwyn031 That is correct. It's because some people are not good at making purchasing decisions.
Exactly!!
@@Bronwyn031some people have way more money than brains
still rocking a I7 4790 non K with a 1660 super, some of these old CPU'S rock.
Picked up my 9600k for $25 cdn 😅. I have it oc’d to 5.1 and it’s running fantastic 🙃
Nice deal
Bought this thing in 2021 for 300, still holding up today. Its weird that price went up since then considering it was a cpu from 2018
This. I just upgraded my 9900k to a 13600k and it was a decent upgrade I think. My 4070 no longer is bottlenecked. I paid about 500€ for it. So I wanted to sell my old cpu+mb so I put it out on auction. I Figured if I get 250€ for it im happy. I got about 400€.... So I just paid less then 100€ for my upgrade. Quite happy with that!
I just built an i9- 14900k system..
Hardly noticeable difference in speed from the old 9900k system...
Yeah, if you are not playing games and don't have a fairly updated graphics card like 4080/4090 then you probably wont notice much difference. If you have a 4080/4090 then you might get something like 10-20% more FPS depending on the game. But overall, yeah you're right, it's not a huge leap by any means, especially if you have a really solid OC on your 9900k.
@computerheadquarters I get bare fps drops in fortnite now with the i9 I'm about to pair it with a 4070 super! What cpu would u recommend to pair the 4070 super with?
@@nathanieltyghe45267600
I think it's because it's the best chip from a dead platform. I ran into a similar situation looking for the best FM2+ CPU for my spare PC.
Also wanted a 9900KS for my main PC but yeah too expensive. Ended up finding a really good deal on a used 9700K.
Saw people here commenting on upgrading to this cpu on their platform for ~300usd as it was 'cheap'.
Still, why not go B760 DDR4 motherboard + something like 13500?
It has double the performance on multithreaded, 25% more single thread not to mention pcie4 SSD support and all the new features it has to offer. And the best thing is upgrade path to something like 14900 in the long run.
And all of this for the same price or maybe 50 bucks more than this old i9, not even counting in the possibility of selling the old mobo to compensate some of the price
Agree
and it uses probably like half the power
You're an honest salesman. I approve of your ways, good sir
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I still have the i9 9900k cos it keeps my feet warm in the winter.
the answer is that people buy it because it is the best cpu for the lg 1511 socket
The point isnt why people buy it...it's why do they buy it for $500?
There’s been a few channels that have pointed out the increased latency of the 12th-14th gen chips. I personally haven’t noticed it on my 12700k, but if you want the lowest latency possible, you’d want 11th gen or lower.
I'm wondering if the latency is from the stuff intel put into place to stop data leaks or whatever exploit people had found in earlier CPUs?
you can detect nanosecond levels of latency? impressive
@@GewelReal Don't be obtuse.
1. Obviously you can't feel a few nanoseconds of extra latency directly, but you sometimes can feel when overall performance is reduced significantly as a result of that higher latency. If every data transfer has 50ns of extra latency added to it and cuts your fps in half, you will probably notice it.
2. DPC latency is not just a few ns, it's hundreds of microseconds (usually about 1/10 to 1/3 of a second), which *is* directly noticeable.
I sold my i7-7700K last year for $200 on ebay. I assumed buyer had an i3 or i5 and wanted to upgrade without buying a new PC.
Another good example. The 7700k was the best CPU you could put into that generation of socket so can still get a premium...but even in it's hayday it was more like $300 premium, not $500.
He's talking brand new in box obviously theyr expensive . 8700k still going for 350+ brand new,. 9900k They selling around 140/170 bucks on ebay and that is a beast of a cpu considering it still goes strong in late 2024 and stillcan play anything strong
Still running my 9900k.
I was able to get a used 12600k (which also smashes the 9900k) with 32gb 4200mhz RAM, a b660 MB, and a Noctua cpu cooler. All for $200. I was surprised!
Thats some tech yes city deals right there ! :)
From where??? Geez that's a ridiculous deal
2 months late but i got my boy a used one for $109 on ebay as a christmas gift, he currently has an i3 9100f, tested it at the dudes house and it worked perfectly, so excited for my bud to get this and pair it with his 5500 XT, a bit overkill but he needs a cpu that'll last him a bit due to his low budget (under $100 atm) and it being very hard to find jobs in our city
I have the i9-9900k and in South Africa the selling price is R 11 699,00 I am happy with it as it does everything for me
Hi are the x570 motherboards gone i had a look on site and cant find them and also do you ship to ireland ? thanks
Yes the video is 5 months old and the X570's are sold out.
I bought one in 2019 for about 300eu, always worked like a champ. Though I am thinking about switching to the 7800x3d because there's quite a performance bump in high refresh rate gaming
i'm still running a 9900ks and its still solid for gaming no issues yet
me too. especially when gaming in 4k. this cpu is even more power efficient than the newest chips. this is why i keep 9900KS. new cpus suck and they are not worth a penny when considering an upgrade
@@EasternUNOhow so? I'm considering an upgrade from 9400f to 9900k or 12400f with new motherboard
@@EasternUNO I just swapped me 9900k for a 9900KS (and made a 12€ profit doing so). Now i am swapping my 3200 cl16 kit for a 3800 cl14 kit. Trying to get the last and most performance out of this Z370 board from 2017. The only part still original of my pc is the motherboard and the case :-)
@@dungmai8838get 12400 instead. way faster than 9900
Reason being is the pple dont want to change the mother board and a cooler (in some cases).. so they have a B360 MB and want to go the top dog to post pond updates.
In my country this CPU is unaviable. And if it is then it goes for 180-200 €
I buy a I9-11900KF last year for EUR 349. Okay, second hand but the CPU but looked like new, no scratches, no obvious signs of use. Even today, on a different platform (ebay) you can buy one ranging from $250 - $350, brand new. Either Amazon prices are way-off from reality or something else is going on. Anyways, price does not reflect the actual value of an item since long-long time ago. Weird that a 2 generations newer CPU could be purchased $150 cheaper.
Yes it is weird, but i've been seeing stuff like this for the past 15 years. Old motherboards and CPUs selling at a premium.
My old backup computer had an E8400 2 core CPU. To up grade it, I eventually had to fork out a massive $21 to replace it with a Q9500 4 core CPU. Yep, upgrading back then was a heck of a lot cheaper. But the old 2008 Lenovo m58p klunker can still handle RUclips videos at 1440p 60 fps.
It's the dodecahedron. They just can't get over it.
I have one of the golden sample, 9900ks from day one, still running like a champ, using with 4080 and 3090
my dad would put this in the "more money than brains" category.
I feel like thats gonna be the same situation with the 5800x3d in the next few years. It will hold its value. I have one coming in the mail soon and hope to hold on to it for a good while
The 5800X3D is already way cheaper than the 9900K.
i just bought i9 9900k for only $109 in marketplace. had I got the great deal or nah?
I'm convinced that the people who are still buying 9900k's don't know what their buying and they don't realize their getting ripped off. The 9900k is pretty slow for today's standards and I know things such as frame time and one % lows have to be terrible for modern games.
I just sold my 10850k motherboard and 32GB of 3200 ram for $300 and was happy. Bought a 7800x3D motherboard and 32GB of 6000 ram from micro center for $490 including tax
Because the improvement from the 8th gen to the 11th gen is about 20 percent .
For anyone who wants to upgrade to i9-9900K and keep it for the next 3-4 years I'd highly recommend doing so with b-dies on hand. That cpu is an absolute latency beast and truly shines with ram overclocking.
Edit: check out my new OC vs Stock video with i9-9900K. Insane gains.
b-dies? im looking to upgrade my i5 9400f to a i9 9600k. prices seem to be at 280. still chapter than a motherboard and a new cpu.
@@mikey9836it was worthy bro? i wanna do the same...
I am swapping my 3200 cl16 for a 3800 cl14 Kit! :-)
If i can keep it for 3 more years i have this motherboard for 10 years lol.
@@ISFRedSandman I guess you've seen my video with oc gains on i9-9900KS? :)
Performance wise that will last 3 years easily, with a full tune on subtimings/ring etc. that cpu is really damn fast. Your mobo - who knows 😂 I guess it's z370?
I had gotten the 9900K for $350 brand new on sale. Been thinking of switching to AMD. Last AMD system I ever had was an AMD FX 8320 system 😆
I have an i7 9700 non k. Question I have would it be worth upgrading to the i9900k used for 200$ or start new build like you suggested?
Also it's in a alienware r9 I believe with 32gb ram and 2080 super. I was thinking upgrade to i9900k amd then when 50 series drops buy used or discounted 40 series
@@SBoth_ 9900K is runs a fair bit hotter than a 9700, so make sure your cooler is half decent. That upgrade is probably worth doing imo.
Great thanks. I already have aio cooler running so heat should not be a issue.
I was in the same boat. Went from 9700k to 9900k. Big difference in overall performance.
@@azntactical4884how? no way you got more than 10% extra performance
I found a used one for $272 a few weeks ago.
I'm considering a 9900k because I currently have an i5 9600k. It would fit the same socket meaning I don't have to change my motherboard and ddr4 ram (64gb). If I could find a motherboard that took a newer CPU but allowed me to keep my ram I'd be happy to go newer.
Definitely get a new motherboard. A B760 or B660 DDR4 motherboard with an i5-12400F, or any low-end AM4 motherboard with a Ryzen 5 5600, will be slightly faster, much more efficient, and likely cheaper overall.
@@nathangamble125 managed to get an i9 9900k for £250 on eBay from a computer shop come with a warranty. So far so good.
Because winter is coming and its going to be a cold one without 9900k
First time I've had someone talk folks out of buying their product. Kudos for that! Although I can see why someone would want to buy the i9-9900k if they have a platform running that supports it and that is software. If you have been running a system for a few years with an OEM license for Windows and have a lot of production software installed, it can be a lot more than just a couple of hours for the motherboard change. Plus, you might have to buy a new copy of Windows.
just pirate Windows
@@GewelReal Is it even piracy if Microsoft lets you do it?
Had to pull the trigger for $90 to get the 9900kf, better than sticking on the 9600k.
The reason they are expensive is that they are no longer manufactured
As if they don't just get a 5(6/7)00x?
I have the 7800x3d with an RTX 4080 in my main rig with a 5600x and gtx760 in my wifes PC (she doesn't really game much but still likes a fast PC for everything else). And the 5600x is honestly a GREAT CPU! I used it with my 4080 until i got my AM5 parts
I see them around 250-350 on eBay now, and that is still ridiculously expensive. I was looking at upgrading from an 8700k and dropping in a 9700k (after my Ryzen 3600's motherboard died), but no way. I'd do it for maybe $150, max that CPU is worth. For the price of the 9900k, I could easily buy a Ryzen 5700 and a cheaper B550 mobo.
Intel's next generation is actually expected to be branded as "2nd gen Core Ultra" rather than "14th gen Core". They're discontinuing the i3/i5/i7/i9 brands. Hopefully that will convince people who think an obsolete CPU is good in 2024 "because it's an i7/i9" to finally buy something new.
Still using a 9900k from 5 years ago paired with a 4070ti. Yes, some games dont run the gpu at 100% utilization but since alot of modern games are taking advantage of DLSS3/frame generation I can see myself keeping it for another couple of years, maybe abit longer 👍
Even Used they still go for 250-300.... WHYYYYYY
I bought two 9900k's in 2020 for $300 each, just before the 10 th gen released, a good deal I guess.
I just got one on Facebook marketplace for 180...... why buy new for a 5yr old cpu.....
Because it's an absolute beast of a CPU and if you have a LGA1151 processor, this is a great CPU. With a modern GPU like a 3080 or 4080 you can run 4K/Ultrawide without the CPU bottle-necking.
I just bought 9900k 😢
I agree. I paid 150$ for mine.
I just bought the 7800x3d from the i9 9900k
Nice. Feels good i'd assume?
@@computerheadquarters way better it's like night and day
Hey man I've Commented on lots of pages nobody seems to want to reply but I'll shoot my shot here I'm looking to upgrade i got a b360 300 series 9th gen mother board 6 cores
Intel i5 9600k
Rtx 3060
32gbs of ram and idk if i should buy the i9-9900k or just upgrade to a newer gen mother board,ddr5 and processor but I have no idea what to do
That is a solid question. There are a variety of factors to consider. #1 how much do you like the tinkering/building side of the hobby? If you love building new PCs then it's an easy answer to go with a new platform just for the fun of the "legos" of it. #2 do you have some money available to you that you are comfortable with spending on the upgrade? If money is tight right now i'd always recommend to save your money and keep gaming on what you got, and in this case, if you have ~$200 to spare for a 9900k but not ~$600 for a full combo like i7-14700k+Z790+32GB DDR5 Kit / 7800x3d+b650+32gb DDR5 kit - do what is right for your budget so that you're still comfortable paying bills and not racking up debt. #3 If you buy a 9900k it'll probably be used around ~$200 and there is always a chance you could use it for 6 months and then it dies and has no warranty. Everyone is different about that kind of thing and their risk tolerance, but it's something to consider. I personally have used many many used/refurb parts over the past 20 years with really good results so I don't hesitate to do it...but that is not financial advice.
@@computerheadquarters @computerheadquarters I've never built a PC or done upgrades I've had my pc for a year and I'm wanting to upgrade it and learn I don't really have cash I was going to upgrade with my tax return 🙃 and im looking for the smartest budget long term idea lol if that makes sense
@@imtweakz What video card?
@computerheadquarters what you mean
@@imtweakz You are thinking about upgrading from a 9600k to a 9900k. I'm assuming you want to upgrade because you are playing games and you want to get better performance (More FPS), right? If so, what video card is in your system?
I didn't I paid $220 on eBay
because if you have the top ram like patriot viper steal 4400mhz with customized timings, you get the same gaming performance like any new cpu nowadays or very similair to them. Even my 8700k still fine because of that - i lose 10 avg fps compare to 14700k in the Cyberpunk. But i wish too have 8 cores now, so i will buy 9900k.
Are you talking about stock 14700k with shitty XMP or OC? I still think a stock 14700k even with garbage ram, will beat out the 8700k by just more than 10fps in cpu-bound conditions, even if the 8700k has a golden imc since newer games scale with more cores. Also I would not even bother getting a 9900k, a 12700kf regularly goes on sale for $200.00 USD. Pair that with a MSI A-Pro z690 plus 2x16 DR B-die and you got a 6-10 year cpu for $500.00
Thats not a good reason to overpay though, right? My point isnt why would you buy a 9900k, it's why would you buy it for $500.
@@computerheadquarters idk why you so focused on 500$ price when it can be purchased around 200$
@@KACHKATV I'm hoping the reason you say that is because you just literally didnt listen to the video itself. If you actually want to know the answer to your question, just listen to the video.
Still running a 9900K@5ghz, its still a good CPU but showing its age in a few recent poorly optimized titles even at 3440x1440 using a 3080TI. A couple of games do slightly bottleneck the GPU.
My trusty 9900KS (5GHz All Core) is holding the line for me till 15th Gen. I game at 4K with a 4090 on an 85" television in a living room setup. Everyone kept telling me that my 9900K and DDR4 ram would bottleneck my 4090. If so, I can't tell. 4K gaming at Ultra settings at locked 60fps. And even then, my 9900KS rarely goes above 60% utilization in any game. I don't really see why I need to upgrade to be honest, but I just feel running a 9th Gen in 2024 would kinda be silly.
I have your cpu in my cart right now😂
You might? We actually posted some refurbished units this week too so we had some for sale at a more reasonable $329.99. Only 5 left of the brand new ones though, 3 sold today.
Maybe ppl don’t want to upgrade their mb and ram and just the changing everything in there system.
I STILL rock my i9-9900k and I definitely didn’t pay that price 4 years ago. And definitely wouldn’t pay that price now. Wild
You are an genius in selling things that cost less nowadays.😂😂😂
Because there is nothing else to see there, yes, I understand that they are bad deals, but there are no other deals.
Intel's older CPUs don't have e-core scheduler issues.
My 5800x3D can mop the flor with the I9 9900k 😂
I build my pc in 2019 Coming from an i5 9600k and GTX1070 OC today in 2024 my PC is starting to show its age. OBS, PC gaming and discord are CPU hungry so it is time to upgrade to i9 9900k, i remember the day i could not afford the i9 and case of glory. I am also going to be in the market for a rtx 3080 in summer 2024 or black friday. NO LIE the i5 9600k at 1080p 60fps - 300 fps variable served me so well! It is a pity the CPU will soon retire. I just love Intel team blue harmony with nvidia gpu, my system crashed ONCE. I see an offer for 200 bucks for the cpu and im picking it up monday.
I bought a PC ( bit used) for $450 as below specs:
i9-9900K
32GB RAM
500GB NVME
GTX 1660 Ti
Aorus Z390 i pro wifi
Is it a good deal ??
@@MubashirChaudhry For $450 it's pretty good.
yuck I would never buy a 5 gen old cpu for $500. Hell, I wont pay that for a CPU in my main build. I only game and light render. I picked mine up years ago for $299. My son has it now and I'm using a 12th gen CPU. I did not pay even close to full price for it either. I get all my stuff through return pallets. if you are so against the price why dont your price reflect that?
I have 9900k that I purchased back in late 2018. I needed the best single core performance for my use case scenario.
The 13900k seems to be the best now. If I wanted to upgrade would you recommend basing my system around that cpu? I do prefer Intel.
The 13900k is a great choice. The 14900k is about to come out too. Depends on what you use your PC for - if you only game and do basic use, its really hard to beat the 7800x3d. If you're doing a lot of other high end workstation stuff might be worth getting the extra cores and going 13900k or 7950x.
@@computerheadquarters mostly MAME - I use frame delay to reduce lag as much as possible. It’s surprisingly taxing for the cpu. I may upgrades to the 14900. Maybe a bozo will buy my cpu for $500! ;)
7600 faster than 9900k?
Depends on what you are doing exactly (gaming/cad/video editing etc) but yes, as far as performance benchmarks go, the Ryzen 5 7600 is a lot faster than the i9-9900k.
bought my 2 years ago for 299.00 used
Bought mine for 150 bucks 2 years ago
evryone who have 9900k have it ocd to 5ghz , i wonder what scores it have to 5800x3d edit: i just run tests single score: 3018 , multi 20145 (5ghz) , IT is worth to stay at ddr4 And upgrade to 5800x3d or go for 7800x3d or mby still use my 9900 for few more years , cuz i think It is still decend CPU im using It for few years And i bought IT back then for 350 (It was amazing deal more then 3year ago) (i have very good 4000mhz ram 32gb)
Currently looking at buying a 9900k for 160$ used to replace my 9700k. And I’m contemplating not doing it. But I also won’t upgrade till 2025 if I don’t buy the cpu. Pls help 😂 my brain is not comprehending this dilemma
I just got a i9 9900k for 270 after shipping and tax sealed box. I have a 9400f. I have the same thought of not upgrading till 2025. I think that I will see much better performance as I will be recording gameplay using OBS. I think it's worth. You could get a good 12th gen motherboard that supports ddr5 ram. it's expensive but you could get a i5 12th gen under 220 and a ddr5 motherboard for 210. all of this is USD. or get a am5 motherboard and am5 cpu.
$500+and they don't even get the totally collectible value added octagonal box!
That's one thing I'm glad I went ahead and just bought.
6.1ghz 1c 5.2 all core!
Thanks to the XTU forum community.(EK 360 Aorus master everything, Seasonic PSU and a lil silicon lottery luck!)
I think I paid less than $500 when it was 6 months after launch.
Tryna grab one second hand for $200 or less.some guy local accepted my offer of $120 but I have yet to see him commit to meeting with me.
If I had $500 for a cpu I’d definitely look at am5 motherboard or something
I may have to sell my i9 9900k while its still worth that. Plus its a gold sample which I couldn't care less about, but they give a premium too.
wow i love your that you are honest
I bought new Aorus Master Z590+10900K instead of 12600K+B660 last year. Same amount of money, same performance, much better motherboard quality.
Simple..... its best in slot for the lga 1151 people are upgrading cpu instead of the motherboard and cpu
Just got my i9 9900KF for $280 NEW ! off ebay
Thats what im talkin about! :) Nice buy
@@computerheadquarters No, it isn't, wtf. He could have got a 12600K or 5700X *and* a motherboard for that price.
just because they are listed as $500 doesn't mean people are buying them. ROFL in the corner it says you purchased two of them.
I just priced up my parts, and in uk, I could get based on recent selling buy now data on ebay, over £700 for my i9 9900k and my gigabyte aorus master motherboard with 64gb hyper x ram. But I would have to deal with all the scammers, and ebay siding with scammer on parts which I know work perfectly. So what would I do. well if I was upgrading, it would be cash on collection. they see it working, see it do a benchmark, and then hand over a little less cash. or I'd let my gf have it, which is probably the more likely case. and then sell her system which is my older system with an i7 8700k upgraded because I needed more power.
9900K is very good for games still but certainly better CPU can be had for less. For example i7-10700K is cheaper than i9-9900K albeit being similar 8c 16t CPU not to mention newer ones like i7-12700K which are 300 as new.
even i5 12400 is faster than 9900k. i9 9900k = i3 12100 in gaming
@@kotboyarkin5032 Not true.
@@sukmikehok1384 just check Hardware Unboxed video where they test multiple (30+) CPUs in some games. i3 12100 is faster than i9 9900k but just a little. And 12400 is much better than i9 9900k.
@@kotboyarkin5032 I have watched comparision between them. 12400f is similar with stock i9 9900k in some games but overclocked i9 9900k is faster and i3 is nowhere near i9 9900k.
10th and 11th were not worth it over a 9900k for gaming only in the last generation or 2 i.e. 12/13th did it become more worth it to upgrade esp since you needed a new mobo, really amd is now the way to go these days
Console Emulation AVX 512. You can still use the 10 & 11 Series but 9-11 are highly sought for in the console emulation world. I have 2 9900K & 1 10900K, prolly hold on to them until Intel brings back AVX 512. I don't do AMD due to issues I had w/ them.
Good to know
except zen 4 has avx 512 as well and are top tier in emulation. sounds like bias to me.. lol
Just get 12th gen chip that doesnt have AVX 512 disabled
or wsit for Zen 5 that is said to have full AVX 512 and will be the best for emulation
WTF are you talking about?
The i9-9900K *does not support* AVX512. the i9-9900X (HEDT CPU) does, but the 9900K does not. 11th gen is the only Intel generation that supports AVX512 on mainstream platforms.
I mean why would you ask when you know that the only reason they buy either an upgrade from an i5 or I7 9000 series or just a benchmark or overclock which is really rare or even they just don't know what to buy but I have to say it it's a bravery from you to tell the truth even if it will make less people buying this from you
Seems like Intel cpus hold their value too much for it to be worth upgrading on the same platform. You might as well buy a new cpu on a new socket and get the same performance bump at the same cost. compare that to am4 where you could save a lot of money buying a new cpu used and put it into your old motherboard. Upgrading within your socket on intel seems like the Illusion of value savings because of scalping
Recommending garbage MB's...??? SOME people have high end MB's and still run 9900K's now and they work just fine. Plays all the newest games fine with a RTX 3080. No plans to upgrade anytime soon either as there is no need. Would I buy one new today, ah no, not for $500 I wouldn't. But then I also wouldn't buy what you were recommending either with the garbage MB's. I figure I have another 3 or 4 years with the 9900K. But then I will never build an AMD machine for myself in the 1st place. Been building machines for almost 30 years and I will never build an AMD anything. There is really no reason to really, not when there is still rock solid stable Intel platforms to use.
Garbage? How do you figure? Are you some sort of motherboard expert? Do you sells 100's of computers and 1000's of motherboards per month, so you know what fails vs what is reliable? Please enlighten me.
@@computerheadquarters Selling doesn't mean you know anything really. Other than selling and or getting someone to spend money. You won't be there 2 to 5 years down the road for the person who's machine died early due to budget quality parts. Some people want their machines to last more than a few years. Especially these days and with the systems being so powerful the need to upgrade isn't so often anymore. So yeah just keep pushing those low quality parts to make that next sale. You sound like a lot of people on the PC Forums over the years giving horrible Information catering to the low budget buyers. Surprised you didn't recommend ram, that would have been some cheap generic brand? Same with maybe a $35 PSU and $25 SSD? In computer hardware you really do get what you pay for in general. The reason what there is still so much junk out there is because people keep buying it, not because it's actually good.
@@jankerson1 We sell stuff that is newer gen but also a lot of older stuff too...so we see a lot of gear in general and see trends of problems as well. There is no trend of problems with lower cost motherboards dying more often. In fact, i'd even argue that some of the higher cost motherboards have more issues because they have more features to break.
@@computerheadquarters It really depends on what the machine is going to be used for. If it's an email machine it really doesn't matter that much as long as the parts are good quality. But for the higher end gaming machines things really do start to matter a lot. Voltage regulation and quality VRMS do matter. The base platform of a computer is the Motherboard and the PSU. If those two things are rock solid stable then the chance is better that the machine will handle just about anything thrown at it with little problem. It's not what the person is going to do right now with the PC, it's what their future plans are, upgrade path. (A lot of them LIE about that) Have a low end MB and PSU then start plugging in high end GPU's and CPU's and watch it start to have stability issues. Up to including the PSU frying the GPU, seen that happen a lot. PSU cooking the MB and GPU. With the pricing these days being outlandishly high still I can see why people could be getting the lower end boards. $200 for a $50 to $70 MB (Low Tier) as an example. Right now you just aren't getting anything for your money and won't until the prices come back down to normal again. There is no way I would even think about building anything these days with the pricing the way it is.
The Intel 7th to 10th gen CPUs are the only ones that support Intel SGX for 4K UHD Blu-ray playback. I'd get a 10th gen for that if I didn't already have a 9900K haha. Folks better not be buying these just for gaming....
Interesting! Without doing any research i would have thought AMD stuff would do it too since the xbox series x and ps5 can lay 4k uhd bluray.
Nobody should skimp out on a motherboard either. They just have the market perfectly priced to get as much money for the most logical simple upgrade possible.
I disagree, lots of people should skimp out on their motherboards. Buy the cheapest motherboard that has a good enough VRM for your CPU (and for future CPU upgrades, if that matters to you) and all the features you're likely to need. There is literally no reason to pay more for extra connectivity and overclocking options if you won't use them.
High-end motherboards are almost always a waste of money, and the motherboard is usually the first (or second, after the PC case) place you should look to save money on a PC build.
You almost never want to choose the absolute cheapest motherboard option unless you're going to be using an i3 and don't care about upgrade options, but there are plenty of
Buying an i9-9900k for $500 is a bit odd. Buying an i9-9900kf used for $240 and just swapping out your 9th gen i5/i7 and keeping the existing ram/gpu is way more affordable than building a new rig. Now you could argue that upgrading PC every 3-4years is expected, but if the current rig works, why not keep it that way? Purely for gaming purposes i9-9900 will be more than enough. If you are a professional and use PC for work, then chances are you are already on pretty new rig to keep up with hardware demand. But that's only my opinion.
Found it for $342.00
New....on amazon? I'm saying new on amazon and I'm specifically saying it's actually selling because I am selling it.
@@computerheadquarters The i9 9900kf is $314.00 new on Amazon.
The reason you have no choice but to buy the 9900k is that it is the last CPU to support windows 7. For government offices, government agencies, hospitals, etc., it is more advantageous to purchase a CPU than to build a new system.
Simple answer : because they're completely fooled by intel's naming scheme. I had a talk the other day with my sister and asked her why she's choosen to let the pc building company put an 10900k in her rather new pc. Her answer : because who runs an i5 in 2022, DUH (Context : originally this pc was configured with an 12600k). The irony in this is that the cheaper 2022 i5 (12600/13600k) would've given her more performance than the more expensive i9 10900k but intel's dogshit naming scheme lets peasants believe that an i9 will always be better than an i5.
Yup! Intel isn't the only one that has purposely made confusing marketing. "2060 Super" ....
@@computerheadquarters
Well, let's don't even start with Nvidia. They're even worse than Intel and Intel is rather aids already. That being said though, their GPUs are (unfortunately) the ones to get imo. Can't imagine a life without Shadowplay anymore and Nvidia has a whole lot of other features going for them too where AMD simply can't compete. However, very happy to see that AMD has put Intel in their place already but i can't see that happening with Nvidia anytime soon unfortunately.
It's not always the case, a tuned 10900K can frequently be noticeably faster than a base 12600K in games, and more people have this cpu highly tuned up on average than 12600K users (flagship mindset vs more mainstream). But if not tuned, surely 12600K is better. However, 10900K is now said to be a superior chip latency wise, windows experience is going to feel better.
Honestly, intel's first i9s were absolutely dope and ahead of the game. Can't believe that almost all cpus till 2021 whether from 10-11th gens or zen3 were just hovering around a 2018 cpu in gaming performance, and literally nothing could beat it in latency.
@@HeartOfAdel
Sorry but arguing with an overclocked 10900k against a stock 12600k is complete and utter nonsense. It's not like you can't overclock an 12600k so your argument is completely pointless and straight up invalid.
Same goes for your latency argument. You certainly can't feel ANYTHING in that regard in windows and if you pair the 12600k with an decent DDR4 (Gear1) or DDR5 kit the same goes for gaiming so that's another completely invalid argument.
Apart from that, everything between the 6700k (Skylake) and 10900k was far away from being ahead of its time. It was the same process all across just with a bunch of cores and a bit of clockspeeds added. That's as basic as it could get.
The only thing that i would consider calling ahead of its time when speaking about gaming performance is the 7800X3D with its 3D V-Cache. Uses one third of the power draw of intels currently best performing gaming cpu (14900k) and even manages to beat it here and there and for the most part straight up matches it. That's what you call "ahead of its time".
You could argue that intels P-Core E-Core hybrid architecture was ahead of its time as well but i wouldn't want to do that since that shit brings more trouble than anything else when it comes to gaming. Most people with Intel 12th Gen upwars are still playing with everything enabled not realizing that this CPU in a lot of games will perform heaps better with those stupid E-Cores disabled entirely. So yeah, great inovation. Now i have to benchmark every new game i want to play in order to figure out wether it runs better with e-cores disabled. Idiotic Concept...
@@NoName-st6zc I think I clearly stated that 12600K is faster, but more enthusiats own 10900K, so finding tuning on that one is a bit more habitual.
Secondly, latency issues are widely talked about now in newer 12-14th gen cpus. Their new hybrid architecuture is in a way stepback from "pure" ring bus. 10900K has that thing clocking to the moon, stronger memory access and doesn't have ecore scheduling weirdness. There's plenty of reports now of degraded snappiness after upgrading from 9-10th gens to 12+. I'd advise you to do more research/maybe testing.
7800X3D is a very impressive cpu, and 3d cache itself is quite a break-through. But its level of performance is already matched by other cpus of the current era.
And if you didn't guess, I was talking about i9-9900K, not 10900K (and even 10900K has the highest amount of p-cores of any Intel cpu with still top level latency, still quite exceptional). It absolutely utterly was ahead of its time (honestly the whole ring bus was) despite the skylake stagnation. I'm not sure if you recall, but almost all amd and even Intel's own cpus from 2020-2021 (before 12th gen) just overall fps matched a cpu that had been released 3 YEARS AGO, and by that day it remains the lowest latency 8p core+ chip. That is the longest king status. I highly doubt that in 2026, flasgship cpus are still gonna be around 7800x3d in games. That is, truly ahead of its time, hence the first i9 title reflecting that.
because the name sounds cool
you guys are completely missing the fact that your windows license key is linked to your motherboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you get lucky, the license key gets transferred to the new motherboard without having to call Microsoft.
I just did a search and found that this isn't necessarily true. If you own a Retail version of Windows, then it can be transferred to new hardware. It's only the OEM version of Windows that is linked.