B360 + i9-9900K = DISASTER. - Worse Than i5
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Have you ever tried to pair a high end CPU with a mid-tier board?
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"This 9900k is having a real TUF time here" 4:00 who else got that?
i just clocked
Benchmarking i9 Principle Technologies way
The Linus Tech tips way you mean
@@redhaze8080 wdym
Intel : for the expensive cpu you need the expensive motherboard for can run this cpu
Amd : for expensive cpu , you dont need the expensive motherboard
A 2700x is still not recommended on a b450 board, especially if you plan on overclocking. And don't even think about using one without a heatsink on the vrm.
@@fortunefed8719 same here i get lower cb scores w my gaming 5 gigabyte mb
@@fortunefed8719 Yep. I got the Crosshair VII, which is definitely not required (bought it for the price of a Asus Strix X470). But something around Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING should be a minimum. Heard MSI boards are quite good, with exception of the lacking negative offset for some models.
@@Koeras16 good to know
LOL this is so not true... A 2700x should run on an x470 board, like the new i9 should run on an z390 board. Both are not required but both will not perform as well on the other options.
*That mobo is warmed up for hawt newz*
A TUF board behaving like this? Well well now.
But more importantly, why is ASUS slapping TUF on their lower spec boards? Just so that they could overclock the price tag?
Yea, and why are the reviewer not blowing air across the VRM's. Systems with water coolers are notorious for overheating VRM's. I imagine the design spec was based around air flow over the VRMs. Kids these days..
It means my i5 is better than i9 😂feeling good
same here :)))
Not any i5. He's talking about i5 8400 and above.
@@FF-jf8yg i got 8600k stock clocks with an stupid cooling device(cost about 10 $) and the temps going max 60C :))
@@panosk.393 Feels good, right? I knew that the new i7 9th Gen and i9 chips will be trash.
@@FF-jf8yg i had big upgrade from intel q6600.. of cource looks powerful but i have not using others CPU's to know better. by the way i5 8400 running with 80 TDM, 8600k with 95..probably 8400 are more cool but i don;t know that :)
1950 is a totally normal score for the i9900K, get ur facts right, the 2200+ score comes from motherboard partners who overclock their bords at default settings.
So should i keep my asus b360m or upgrade with i5 9400f cpu
I bet that mobo would be dead in 5 months of intense gaming not even talking about 3d rendering...
While I agree that the B350 is not the best motherboard, it would be unlikely that you would run into these issues with something with a lower power cpu like an i5. The 9900k will push any board to the limits, and most people that buy a 9900k aren't going to be worried about getting a cheap motherboard.
Maybe it's being held back by your old w👀den desk tech.
Buying a high end CPU with a crappy motherboard... Oh boy, learned that the hard way years ago that picking up a shiny black edition Phenom II was absolutely useless when paired with a cheap OEM AM2+ motherboard from ebay.
Z370 vs Z390
2 high end versions vs 2 low end
Will be nice to see chats of all 4
"Don't cheap out on the motherboard"
"Don't cheap out on the power supply"
The one good thing I can say about the new i9 is the box looks amazing
good video. emperor has no clothes and all but papa Linus has totally lost touch. His 9900k rev was total joke, and then he defended it to his audience.. who are probably too dumb to know, lets face it
How was it a joke?
@@hurrdurrimaburr he had it drawing less power and making less heat than the 8700k so obvious BS , and no one reputable can reproduce his results on the same hardware and settings. Also if LTT is going to play stupid and say the TDP and VRM picks were ok..Fine, then why the fuck did they not test the I5 8400 and 8600 at stock TDP for 4 seconds in a room freezer. yeah, cause tha't dodgy as fuck and they should not have done this with 9900k.
Liam Cockcroft some people won the silicon lottery. Plus some boards, mainly Asus boards, run the 9900K closer to power spec if BIOS settings werent changed. That impacts thermals and power draw.
For exemple Joker Production got a dud chip the first time, then he got sent another chip and that was awesome thermally. Je was able to OC it to 5.2Ghz no problem.
I’m still in 2 minds about investing in the 9900K. Too overpriced.
@@redhaze8080 You obviously have no idea what you're talking about lol. There's plenty of 9900K OC videos on youtube that has it running at acceptable specs.
Any CPU would run +80c in Cinebench at 5.2GHz. Gamers nexus has been over how shitty this gens motherboards is aswell. You're basicly fucked if you buy low end and some of the $200+ mobos have garbage VRM aswell.
Some people never saw the 100c temps that many reviewers did. You're clearly biased though.
burr then why did LTT not test the 8600 at 65w?, and show me reputable testers who can get the LTT cinebench score at those temps and setting. Total BS
I bet the issue is that chokes are not the primary heat source. The MOSFETs are probably 20K hotter than your probe. Your probe is in the wrong place.
It should be Cheap Motherboard + i9 9900K = Disaster.
I mean, a cheap Z390/370, H370 have cheaper VRMs and components.
Did you try slapping a fan over the VRMs, since you're using an open bench and you have no airflow at all? If you get the same results with airflow over the VRMs, then you have a power limit, not a temperature limit.
The thinner atx boards aren’t just an asus thing, many manufacturers do it for their cheaper baords, it’s just not as common as it used to be.
It's stupid. :D
UFD Tech I agree, it's very stupid. I've also come across some boards and cases that weren't fully compatible with each other as far as standoff locations are concerned. I thought that was all supposed to be standardized.
energy = heat, consult your ampere/watt meter for more information :D
Thats what i was thinking, the motherboard probably has a wattage limit that starts to limit performance once its broken.
You guys should hire an intern to write or draw stuff on that completely blank whiteboard
So... Can I put a Ryzen 7 1700x on a b450 tomahawk or not?
JotaArt b450 tomahawk is the best b450. You’re fine.
haha you got the perfect face to be the endboss kid in bully scholarship 2
You're right. i've seen shit like that on used market ,people selling kits of mobo +cpu sometimes with ram as well, Shit like ryzen 1600x with b320 and 2133 mhz ram.... and they insist on selling them as a kit even tho the kit itself is complete shit.
I have never liked low end boards. Even when I don’t over clock. But, this is wild how much that B360 hurts the i9.
Interesting! A few questions, sorry if you already answeared and I missed it: Did you run same ram-speed (2666 is max on B360) on B360 and Z390? Also for gaming 9700K tends to do better than 9900K i many scenarios. Was 9600K used on the B360 with 2666-ram also? To figure out if vrm etc is the real issue, make all other conditions identical, great if you already did that :) undervolting would also be interesting, that might increase performance quite a bit :)
That's on the bench, imagine in a closed case 'O'
Just remember that Walmart put an i7 on an H310.
Well if the MOSFETs have good cooling, it is no problem, but that wasn't the case on this motherboard. I mean the chipset has nothing to do with the VRM Temps in the first place, but of course they want to cheap out as it is the easiest way to make a cheap motherboard
If it was i7 8700 non K, it would be ok..
i get 1930 in cinebench with a z390 from Asus :( (60 Degress C under 100% load though) thats the normal score actually. 2200 is for 5.1 all core overclock.
2080 in cinebench at stock, z390 aorus master, 3600mhz ram. Quite a difference 🤔
When you overlooking RAM, fix SA/IO rail voltages about 1v.
Asus love burning CPUs via overvoltage some power rails.
@@technotarius4444 my ram is just 2666mhz (xmp I enabled)
@@apothecy4011 Can you say VCCIO and VCCSA voltages on you system? if then more or equal 1.3v, you need reduce it.
By my experience if RAM Clk less 3 Ghz SA:0.95v and IO :1.05v.
@@technotarius4444 no, it is like 1.1-1.2 max i think
You are going to have a bad time if you run your pc open air on a test bench. Your vrm is getting zero air flow.
"Have you ever tried to pair a high end CPU with a mid-tier board?"
NO
Intel I-7 965Ex ($1000)
Gigabyte ex58-UD4P
Asus P6X58D-Premium
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Intel I-9 9900K
Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
ASRock and MSI get lower end Intel and AMD processors built for businesses.
I watch all your videos anyway. I think it's about time I subscribed.
i'm just subscribed!, cause yes, i do watch all the videos
@@Herbert2892 idk
The chokes should not be the problem, the VRMs are the thing heating up the chokes.
You mean the mosfets?
The main problem here is that the UEFI doesn't throttle the speed soon enough to keep power consumption within specs.
With all cores engaged it should be running at base clock most of the time.
That gives the true stock performance of this CPU.
So intel lets shitty budget boards handle the 9900k or 8700k. But the top end z170 and z270 boards are "not compatible" even when many people got them working with 8700k cpus with minor mods, thats some bs.
Not sure why you paired this CPU up with the B360 MB. Z390 ROG Asus boards would have been much better. Oh yea, more expensive doesn't always mean better.
A small but significant detail about cpus and vrm temperature is the TBP, not the TDP. The i9-9900k is indeed of 95w TDP, but it can go up to 240watts... I could be wrong, but that's like 160 amps, or 20 amps per module in 8+2 vrm designs. I don't know if using better thermal solution could help, but I'm sure it's trouble.
I am at terrible internet connection and the video started to buffer at 3:36.
"Anything higher than that is... *little noise, then video stops*"
Perfect timing :)
Wow hang on a minute. 8:30 9900k is running at 100% in the Witcher 3? Wtf?
This should be fixed with a simple update of bios in the future .. I have an i7 4790K with a motherboard Gigabyte B85M-DS3H and also had performance problems in general as in games and doing tests as in cinebench among other things. After several months with this problem, I got a bios update that in the description said: "Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance" after this update, the performance improved brutally in games and other things in general .. I think this types of motherboards have always given problems with high-end CPUs that are eventually fixed with a simple bios update. Greetings from Chile.
100% cpu usage in Witcher 3 which isn't kinda old title and this cpu is still a beast. I'm shocked
Having reviewed your results, the discrepancy between the i9-9900k on the B360 and Z390 amounts to 3.2% in favour of the Z390, I’d hardly call this significant even if the chokes on the 360 are running at high temperatures, if we factor in the lack of overclocking on the 360, then the question of value over a 9600K is obviously more significant. However, a 9900K still yields a near 100% gain over the 9600K (on the 360) in Cinebench (multi-thread) which I would have thought translate very well into video encoding and other similarly processor intensive tasks, so there clearly remains an advantage to running it on a middle-tier motherboard….but, if you’d have thrown a 8700k or 9700k into the mix……
Wow crazy. Wouldn't have thought cpu performance would be impacted when just running at stock speeds. Always assumed that the better the board, the better the o/c of either cpu or memory.
I like the ryzen 7 but i love the packaging of i9-9900k
the TR has fancier packaging
I'm using the box as a lamp XD
I put a bulb in it
@@SahnouneKhaled Yeah, Threadripper takes the cake as far as packaging goes
i like the 9900k because it smashes the 2700x completely regardless of workload.
@@Dr.WhetFarts and smashes the 2700x in price.
we have almost the same PC..
9900k
Enermax 360mm aio
msi Godlike z390
32GB 3200mhz cs16 dominator platinum
msi gaming x trio 2080ti
evga 1000 G5 80+ gold psu
pure sine wave, cyberpower 1500va ups
I just finished building this pc about 2 weeks ago and im absolutely loving it.. coming from my old pc (asus z97 deluxe, i7 4790k, 32gb ddr3, 750 watt 80+ silver psu) this thing is an absolute monster! I'm yet to pin the gpu or cpu to 100% even with 4k gaming and even with 4k video editing. I'm loving it.
I remember buying a Z270 Board in May of 2017 when it was the best Intel chipset. That was a mistake.
Tom 2404 🤦🏽♂️
if you got a good deal or dont care the 9900k or 9900kf works perfectly fine with the b360pro4/xtreme. Just get a good cooler, unlock wattage limiters and undervolt the cpu to around 1.35 because for me it was getting up to 1.43v. But it gets a 4.6ghz under load and 4.9ghz 1 core. Everything stays under 70c with a NH-D12L fan when underload, i get around 180 less points in the cinebench than the average score for a 9900kf, which isnt that bad. I dont know what board this guy has but i never throttled once with my fan, so dont worry about that.
I recently upgraded my Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 7 1700x on my Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3 B350 motherboard. No issues so far, Cinebench scored 1525CB, right where it should be. Not going to attempt an overclock. VRMs are a 4 + 3 phase. Higher end AMD CPUs have actually been proven to work on mid range boards just fine.
Something i would really like to see is how Haswell (4790k stock and oc) cpu can still do when paired with a 2080ti (for example in 4k gaming or 1080 rtx on, where cpu isn't supposed to be a real bottleneck)
Keep up the good work !
It will do great. Period.
That 118C read out is mostly just garbage.
It's common for low end mobo to have some garbage temp sensors unattached, thus reading some garbage.
clicked for 9900k, liked for TMNT t-shirt. XD
If 85c is the heatsink temperature, the mosfet itself may be reaching 95-105c soooo yeah, that's the bulk of the issues. And the chokes are on the same plane although they have a bit of loss, they also can kind of tell you how hot the fets are getting on the surface, not on the die which is worse.
This is the reason why more and more people are going for used parts instead of buying overpriced underperformers.
Nice video. I’ve been patiently waiting for one of you to review how the z370 boards handle the 9th gen CPU’s? A lot of people upgraded when the 8th generation came out. The ability to throw a 9th gen cpu in our existing motherboards is a nice quick upgrade... should we do it? Would we get the same experience as a new z390 board? If this is something you’re interested in doing please throw the ASRock z370 Taichi into the mix. Keep up the good work!
Asus prolly knew nobody would put that cpu on this mobo. That cpu pulls alot of power
If the motherboard can't run a CPU at default settings without being a fire hazard or losing performance it shouldn't support it in the 1st place. Take a Ryzen 2700x and pop it into B350 motherboard with the latest BIOS and it will run great at default settings without losing performance, other than maybe some hot VRMs.
Putting that 9900k in a b360 MOBO should be illegal !!!!
FYI if you would have used a quility b360 MOBO it would have been a lot better (better VRM MOBO than ASUS dogshit)
Is a Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon good enough for a 9900K?
what about inside of a case? the vrms would probably still be melting but would it move it away from the throttling if it had air flow moving over it vs an open test bed. or is it just the board cant handle that many watts pulled? 85 c external temps on a vrm component could be alot hotter internally which is probably what you ended up seeing. really shows the 9900k is quite the monster to be put on to consumer boards and they want to try and do 10 cores next OwO
A bad cpu cooler = bad tests
Messing with base clock is bad idea.
4x1200mhz would work just fine or 2x2400 :)))
This is the EXACT problem that I've been having with my 8700k since I bought it. Don't get me wrong I'm on a pretty high end z370 board from MSI, no idea which one though and I do not have the time to check, but due to radiator clearance and subsequent airflow, my VRM's aren't really being cooled by anything. They get really hot and then I power throttle hard. Even though the system doesn't know that's happening. The only solutions are to stick a fan on the VRM's which I did for a while and that helped or to get a full cover waterblock, which I did plan on doing before the 9900K came out. So now I'm going to be upgrading at the end of the month. So, problem avoided I guess.
If the consumer is uninformed enough to plop a $550 CPU into a b series motherboard they aren't the type of person to be able to tell the difference anyway.
I'd be more concerned about greedy system builders doing this.
5:33 Who the heck told you that the 9900K scores 2200 points in cinebench at stock clocks? You should check gamers nexus video on the 9900K.
I mean..."we", it's their OWN testing
indeed. he got the expected stock results around 2k at Turbo PL2, then around 1400 once its at base clock after a few runs normally about 20 seconds of load will drop to base clock as spec'd by intel. 2200 might be some MCE score but not stock
Thank you so much for the information bro, This totally made an eye-opener as a gamer/developer of what to upgrade for my motherboard and what is the kind of CPU specifically for my motherboard without sacrificing or destroying the crucial parts of my MSI B360M Mortar. My Samsung NVME Gen 3 is quite expensive. If I don't think and read wisely from other experiences especially showing me real-life data's then it's my PC Riggs Funeral which I know everyone doesn't want to happen to their Riggs since we are at the pandemic Covid Variant Era.
I just got a 9900K and even a Z370 TUF mobo couldn’t handle it; still had a trash 4-phase VRM with heatsinks on it. Substituted it with a used ASUS Prime Z390-A w/8-phase VRMs and they can handle 180W load without getting close to throttling.
I been building computers since the 90s and never cheap out on motherboard or power supply. Some people just don't understand.
Well it's not necessarily cheaping out on the board. As it was stated in the video, this B360 board is the most expensive one for the B360 lineup offered by ASUS. Usually B series boards are considered a more budget conscious choice because you can still get decent performance for your CPU with them. You just cant overclock them (excluding AMD B series boards). If you got something like a 9900K you would probably want something like a Z390
Hey thanks. Just in time for ma bi-annual discussion with a colleague about cheap motherboards and high end cpus ;)
there is a special place in hell for people who put their keyboard over the mousepad !!!!!
Not really. If you ever had a crappy mousepad or maybe paper you should know that they like to move around quite a bit.
What is that CPU D3D11 and GPU overlay in witcher? How do you get that? MSI Afterburner?
So does it matter what MB you buy as long as it have Z390 chipset?
yes msi afterburner (technically rivatuner statistics server but it comes bundled with afterburner)
There is only one reason left why you need a intel desktop CPU: Hackintosh.
Your setup is running way too hot even at idle. I put an 8700 on a B360 and it stays at 30-32 Celsius with just an arctic cooler rev. 2 fan.
So, what is the highest CPU you would recommend pairing with a cheap B360. Currently I am running a I5 8400 and I was thinking of upgrading to a 9600k/I7 8700/8086K/8700K
Im waiting for the answer too about this. 😅
Power supply and motherboard - Never cut corners there.
You could try the B360 with these: How much does a fan pointing at the VRM help? (500-800-1200-2500-extreme rpm, try finding a sensor in hwinfo, way superior to hwmonitor or use the probe) Is it possible to not trigger the VR thermal alert then? And finally: can you set tdp limits in the bios so that the cpu matches Z390 performance?
Just keep in mind just a phase count doesn't equals the vrm quality, you can have high end and low end 4 phase 6 or even a trash 8 phase or amazing 8 phase.
9900k, rtx 2080Ti and the desk dragged-out from bonfire
Yea. I just switched from a asus b360 to a Msi z390 and my i7 runs so much better. I can also finally run my ram at it’s rated speed!! B360 are good beginner and entry level boards but you can’t get a i9 9900k and a 2080ti and expect to see its full performance.
Are you formatting the drive for this test, chipset drivers will cripple the system if they are not compatible.
If you had the z390 drivers installed then swapped out the motherboard and used the same z390 drivers for your b360 board, its not going to run well.
Well 9600k without hyperthreading will beat 9900k in some games and it doesn't even matter what boards it's on. If 9600k is overclocked and game engine doesn't use more core /thread than 6/6. People are bombarded with this 9900k are ultimate gaming CPU crap, when in reality 9700k is. And I can bet that 9700k on B360 can beat 9900k on z390 if they both are overclocked to same Mhz.
so no H310 + 9900K
I'm fairly certain you chose the wrong motherboard for overclocking… there's lots of fake advertising on VRM's lately
nope. you wil NOT have more than 2100 cb on i9 9900k at stock settings, unless you clock it 5.00ghz or higher. My 9900k at default, on a Gigabyte Z390 Gaming-X, does 2080 cb. all that with temps lower than yours (at around 68 degrees), with an Deepcool Assasin II + Arctic Mx-4.
I have an i7 4770k paired with an H81 chipset sooooo...
With regards to testing, what i'm curious about is since you're saying the 9900k gives 9600k performance on B360, how does the 9600k perform on B360?
Interesting video. I was wondering what Dell monitor model have you got?
sir how about i9 9900 Non K ?
very good CPU but "behemoth CPU" is exaggerated
Try to review 9900K on cheapest H310 board, please. Is it the same as what's going on in this video so there is no point to review that anymore?
I made a terrible mistake on the motherboard, I got a gigabyte b365m, I wish it was the heat, power throttling now
Wonder how much difference there would be in actual case instead of open bench.
I have an nzxt z390 (because that was cheap when I bought my 9400f)so for me this should be fine, correct?
i had a 9600k and went up to 9900 on that b360m plus, and the 9900k is way better... and I dont get that 100% cpu bottleneck ever with my rtx 3070.
You need to measure temperature on the mosfets, not the chokes, lol. But that 100C on the choke is pretty bad. The mosfets could have been 125C and throttling.
What's with the super quiet background music? Had to pause all the time to check if it is playing from the video or outside...
I've lost all my confidence in Asus motherboards after having two Prime series motherboards giving this weird CPU overvolt error just 3-5 months after fresh builds even though they were running on stock settings (just RAM on XMP).. changed both to Gigabyte and been running wonderfully since even with slight overclocks.. maybe this video should be retested using an MSI or Gigabyte motherboard instead and see if there's any difference..
Wow haven't looked at a video from you in a while since the LTT stuff. But I must say you have cleaned up very nicely.... Well done and keep up the great work.
IDK man 85C locked on a VRM sounds bad to me....... Sounds like it IS throttling at 85C
U should put higher quality chokes on it and see if it fixes the issue
Rebelz 9083 now that would be an interesting video. I'd be interested to see the results if he'd be willing to do it.