Terrible i5-8400 Performance - We Finally Figured It Out!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Have any of you experienced this type of throttling with a B360 motherboard with your i5's? We tested both i5-8400 & i5-8600K and replicated the results no matter what we adjusted. Actual PC specs are below.
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Something is very wrong mate, the B360 and Z370 boards shouldn't see a performance difference with the Core i5-8400 using the same speed DDR4 memory. That's well established at this point, we proved it on day one of the release, so did Gamers Nexus. Hell you can maximise the 8400 on H310 boards using the box cooler. I've also tested that exact MSI motherboard, no issues.
Hardware Unboxed i love u guys !!!!
finally one unbiased AMD fan :D
The benchmark king has joined the game 👑
Hardware Unboxed. I am WILLING TO BET, that that ASUS board is running a version of the BIOS where MCE is ON, regardless of the Setting. That would explain why it was boosting to the MAX BOOST CLOCK even when MCE Was OFF. This would account for the performance difference. Would you agree with that assessment?
If MCE was truly off, then it wouldn't have been boosting all cores, and we would have seen results much closer to the B360 Board, until he turned MCE back on. I believe its been shown in the past when z370 was first released that some of the boards had MCE on even when the option was switched to off, I have a major suspicion, thats what we are seeing here.
@evocatiproductions - This has nothing to do with MCE. There is no way you will see a difference between any of these CPUs using a GTX 1060, not beyond the margin of error. In order to spot the difference between the Core i5-8400 and Core i7-8700K you need a GTX 1080 Ti and some seriously core heavy games, preferably using something lower than the maximum in-game quality preset.
Microsoft one drive does it again, the single most annoying and useless program ever 3:20 80% CPU usage just doing the setup
Useless piece of trash software.
Is that the answer then? I just received the MSI B360M Mortar that I ordered from CCL. Wondering if I should carry on and install it or send it back. If it's just Microsoft problems I'll carry on and install it in my new build. I'm installing an i7-8700 so hope the motherboard isn't going to be a problem.
at 4.50 there is although fairly high cpu usage (15-20%) at " idle" and although CPU is running all core max boost, so it is doing something. Maybe it is worth to double check background apps? Because it makes 0 sense when all other reviewers are having much more lower difference and they are testing with different ram-mobo combos.
Leigh Taylor Lol, no. OneDrive is not the answer. It wasn't running when benchmarks were run, just at startup.
Thanks for the reply - still puzzled. Glad that Hardware Unboxed have tested the same motherboard with no issues. Wonder what the problem is.
Very weird, I tested the 8400 with a Z370 & B360 with the same memory and a GTX1080Ti and the average FPS in games was either the same or within 1 or 2fps.
Something is really wrong with that B360, I tested Shadow Of War like you did and got 1fps difference between the B360 & Z370.
Yep, something's off, but I would expect to manifest into something tangible that could be measured. So far nothing. 🤔 Will test more.
UFD Tech I think some of the B360 Boards have a limit how much Power the CPU can draw, what could make the difference
No power or wattage doesn't affect cpu performance in this case because the 8400 is running at its max speed on both board
There are bios settings that limit power draw to TDP, and let it exceed TDP while turboing for a certain (short)amount of time only. Maybe it still wouldn't matter on an 8400 since it's clocked so low, but it is a hexacore so... maybe?The reviewer would have to log core freqs during testing to see if they all stay at 3.8GHz for the duration of the test.I think it's more likely that the board is defective in some way though. It would be interesting to see testing done with the same CPU in other B360 boards including of the same model, in order to see if the abnormal results are only present on the original board.
As for MCE, that doesn't even do anything on non-K SKUs as far as I know. Before/around release of Coffee lake there were reports of it working on non-K CPUs with Z-series boards but I haven't been able to find anything conclusive on this. I'm genuinely interested if someone has a reputable source that absolutely confirms whether it works or not.
What happens if you run that B360 with just one ram stick, or, in single channel mode? The results is reminiscent of running ryzen in single channel mode. That is actually consistent with all the bugs and results reported thus far.
Watching this video now is funny. The i5-8400 turned out to be one of the best cpu's of 2018
my thoughts exactly xD
@@elmo11080 I'm about to buy the 8400, should I?
@@EndiEndiandiedrew92 I have 8400 and it works damn well so yes go for it
@@elmo11080 Thank you very much!
@@EndiEndiandiedrew92 also, maybe you can go for 9400f, it is just a bit faster but it should be cheaper since it has no igpu on it
You should try two more things: 1) Try rerunning a couple of tests with a fan blowing on a VRM just got be sure and 2) Use Intel XTU to check if the board has some abnormally low TDP limit, and if it does - remove the limit and rerun dem benchez
You need to get more B360 motherboards, at least one more.
My I5 8400 uses 5% while running nothing but discord in the task bar (not actually open) and epic games launcher.
When running games my cpu only uses 20% leaving enough space to run some more programs.
The I5 8400 doesn't need tweaking, it's a perfectly fine cpu for its price.
In all honesty I don't see why people oc and tweak the speeds, all your doing is killing your cpu (or other parts) a lot faster for what? An extra couple of frames?.. Not worth it.
The I5 8400 is an excellent cpu for gaming and more than enough for day to day work.
Too many people judge the cpu and don't actually try it.
@Vučina People just don't try it, even if there is an issue with the performance.. Which there isn't any, its worth the price.. I'd say its worth more than the price it holds currently
@Vučina Seeing that my board is a micro atx, I wouldn't even bother
@kgbme have you used it before?
I love mine. As a guy in another comment said, there's only about 5fps between his 8600k and the 8400 he ran.
Runs games at 45c and it's very quiet. Would be silent in a different case.
I bought mine at the time of the 2600 release and the 8400 was actually £20 cheaper then.
Who cares about upgrading. This CPU will last me years.
Then I'll buy whatever is the new thing to have. Be that Intel or AMD.
i orefer OC and tweaking because even if it reduce lifespan i dont care. will keep my config for maximum 2-3 years so components wont break within that time
I have a Msi B360 pro VH with the i5-8400 and a gtx 1060 6gb and 2666mhz ram and my system runs alot better for some reason. You must have a deffective motherboard
Nah, I have same problem like on video. I have MSI B360 GAMING PLUS.
@@thomasnightingale4080 Hi! I know it's been some time, but did you manage to solve it? I have the same motherboard as you
@@leonelriera5649 Hey man, for sure.
I figured out, that I wasn't having a problem with my motherboard after all, however I found out, that I have glitched OS power setting modes. For example, they would switch between every 2-10 seconds from power saving mode to performance mode for no reason.
I couldn't feel the difference while doing stuff and surprisingly playing games, until playing Watch Dogs 2, when my game would just drop drastically from 60 fps to 1 fps.
Stats showed CPU's constant 100% usage, so that made me concerned.
I managed to fix it by turning my pc into factory settings. Idk what about you, if you have the same problem as I did.
The motherboard isn't deffective, they are numerous factors that affect can pc's performance. In my case, the motherboard was totally fine, it was just getting buttf*cked by one of my gaming optimization programs or whatever.
I wish you good luck.
@@thomasnightingale4080 Thank you so much for replying!
I started researching once I saw 100% CPU usage in Windows Task Manager (was using W11), but never really noticed anything wrong with my PC. Two days ago I reinstalled W10 and set energy settings to "performace" or something like that and still showing 100% CPU but also
I do like that you're testing other B360's because those jumps are nutz! I personally have that Tuf Gaming paired with the i5-8400 and 1070. My FPS on Far Cry 5 on ultra was about 97 Avg.
This has been an interesting accidental series 🤣
As many of the other comments said already: check with another MSI B360 Mortar Titanium before you check other B360s. Maybe it's a faulty unit rather than a faulty model or chipset
Great video man, nice feedback to the community's questions about the previous testing of the i5 8400.
5 to 3 years old, self made PC, with occasional hardware upgrades and additions.
i5-8400,
msi-budget mb,
GeForce gtx 1650
2x8 GB ram Corsair,,
2 Samsung ssd total 1.5 Tb
1200W-Corsair power-supply
cpu 45*C to 65*C (max 71*C)
gpu 27*C to 58*C (max 61*C)
Factory cooling
PC is build "in the open" literally , with a big (silent) Room Cooler Fan directing massive air flow behind my gaming-desk were the "PC" hangs.
Monthly cooler-Radiators cleaning though.
...still performs surprisingly well in all games that I love:
Anno 1800, Civ6, Gal-Civ 4, TW-Warhammer 3, m&b-Bannerlord, Destiny 2, NMS, etc, etc.
Settings on medium, mostly with some low and some some hgh. depends.
Still very happy with the i5-8400 bought on sales with 150€ (iirc) some 5 years ago.
🧐
I'm playing games on my gaming pc but in times or all the time my i5 8400 is stuttering
What should I do?????
How it can be like that , 8400 is a hexa core can be kept till 2027 if pair with solid gpu
@@fixerff1110 I fixed the problem bad gpu bought a 1080 and placed a SSD
So I had a very similar situation.
I built a new PC with the ASUS TUF B360-PLUS motherboard and paired it with an i5 8600 (non-K) as well as a GTX 1070 Ti.
The performance was just horrendous! My previous PC ran an i5 3550 on a Z77 motherboard and that PC beat the new PC in every way - and by a massive margin!
It was so bad that if you click on a file there was even a delay. Battlefield 1 went from ~40FPS on the old PC to ~15FFPS on the new PC and all 6 cores were running at 100% and around 60°C.
After a week the solution for me was to install the latest build of Windows 10 (1809) and fully update it. I was running 1803 initially. After performing that upgrade (it was not a clean install) the PC had a night/day transformation! It is now super responsive and Battlefield 1 hits over 120FPS.
"Rgb cooler Rgb ram Rgb strip but no performance boost" i almost died laughing NICE BRETT
So essentially validating adoredtv’s claims that the 8400 would not be able to run at full speed on a budget motherboard. Also sounds like the reason for intel launching z370 chipset only for months with this cpu so benchmarks looked better than real world for it.
I suspect that the board is faulty.
need more testing to validate or disprove adoredtv’s claim
There will always be a performance loss on lower quality motherboards (whether obvious or not), however I would wager that this is just down to a faulty/crappy B360 mobo in particular.
Still that board is not a cheap one so...very dissapointing results.
it appears that the timings from the 3200 mghz xmp profile have been copied to the 2666 clockspeed. it might have an effect
I see that Redragon Mammoth. I freaking love that mouse! :D
I just bought the Asus TUF B360-pro gaming (wifi) and a i5 8400! Will have it running by the end of the month! Looking forward to seeing the next videos!
pay more for a cpu without smt, no oc, no upgradability, worse performance in multithread workloads, trash cooler for an average of 10% more fps. Still makes no sense for me.
Yep. To me, the only two Intel options that makes any sense are the 8700k(if money is no concern) and the 8700. The 8700 makes a good business computer since it doesn't need a GPU and is good enough for most task.
Amir Abudubai for the business the ryzen 5 2400g is a way more compelling option
Pretty much my view on the matter. If your needs are so specific that you need every single piece of single core performance you can get, lest you suffer from noticeable performance issues, you have pretty specialized needs, which is perfectly fine, of course. I just don't think there are too many people out there who are trying to squeeze every ounce of performance out of their Cities: Skylines metropolis savegame, just to make it run at least a teeny tiny bit faster. And, mind you, I'd actually like to see a bit more attention spent to that kind of workload in benchmarks, etc. However, if you're building your gaming machine that you're going to upgrade in 3 years anyway, don't you think multi core performance counts for something too in your everyday usage of the system?
And if you're not upgrading in 3 years, and you're like me, worrying about how the system performs 5 years from now or more, why not think about what *you* might be doing with that system 5 years from now? Our lives are short, 5 years is a *lot* of time.
Also: As AMD is pushing core counts, games will slowly accommodate the average system having more cores available, eating away at your core headroom as the years pass. Quad core isn't plenty anymore, it's minimum spec.
Roberto i5 8400 for gaming is very good compared to 2600, but on multi tread workloads 2600 wins. so i5 8400 is a better choice for gaming. i5 8400 gaming performance is close to 1700x look it up :)
NO you don't pay more, you a actually pay about the same, and if you pay any attention to the main purpose of this follow up video it was to get the best budget around 1000$ for GAMING in which the 8400 is the best choice, there was no mention of productivity of any kind, and yes if you want an overall pc build ofcurse the i5 8400 is stupid, but if you only game 10% increase on fps is actually good.
WTF AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED IT ?
8:09: he enters in the options and leave with the back button (weird to show everithing and not validate, Shad on High)
8:16 you can notice Shadow are on MID (high few sec ago) proving that something is WRONG...
I think fraps is the problem. I gained that much of a performace not using fraps on this system: i7-4790, 16 gb ddr3 1600, asus b85 mb, gtx 1060. A horrible example: mafia 3 was unplayable with fraps, without it game runs as is should. After this incident, I don't use it anymore... maybe on older titles. Fraps hasn't been updated since 2011... it's a relic.
Razvan Scurla fraps puts more strain on your cpu because its another program to run simultaneously with the game your playing... Playing the game without any software will result in a better fps
@@retrocomponents3478 my point is that he's only using one benchmark program to test with. Maybe other benchmark tools doesn't do this and it's a software related issue.
I am very happy with my new i5 8400 HP slimline for recording music. Less glitching than with my HP z230 workstation with i7 4790.
Hey I'm also building a pc for music production!
Should I consider this for 3years at least!?
Sorry man but there is something wrong with your MOBO, I have ASUS ROG Strix B360 Gaming F, i5 8400 and TridentZ RGB at 2666 and I have higher FPS than you! You shouldn't even upload such videos, and name it "Terrible i5-8400 Performance" when you don't know where the issue is coming from and at the end without even testing other B360 motherboards you did get a new conclusion that B360 motherboards under perform, you only confuse people with wrong information, and do bad marketing of MSI motherboards and INTEL i5 8400.
wtf I have the same board and my cpu usage is much higher than usual.
Yeah, I cant really put faith in a test with a sample size of...one. He didn't even try a single other board.
I learned from your video that games right now are 8 thread optimized and that some B360 boards produce substandard results. Good job.
Something with Dual channel RAM not working might have messed up the performance. Chipset is not supposed to restrict any cpu in stock settings.
That is so weird, conventional knowledge would suggest that the mobo should have nowhere near that large of an impact, especially with a 100 Mhz delta. I look forwards to any conclusion as to wtf is causing that.
EDIT: to other comments regarding faulty motherboard, I absolutely look forwards to more testing with b360's.
3:18 to 3:31
Did you run the benchmark, i5-8400 w/B360, while "Microsoft OneDrive Setup" was using 72%-90% of the i5-8400?...if so, that would explain the poor framerate. Kinda hard to get good framerate when your CPU usage is sitting at 100% before you even start the game.
I bought the cheapest featureless B360M mobo and my i5 8400 with GTX 1080 works flawlessly. No bottlenecks or unusually low fps readings. (Gigabyte DS3H micro ATX)
I can tell you exactly what is going on, on these cheaper boards with 4+(whatever) phases on the VRM the bios will have hard power package limits set for PKG Limit #1(long term) and PKG Limit #2(short term) set lower or equal than the processors actual TDP. I am sure this is happening to you because at 4:40 in the Video the package power max was 45 Watts or so. This will severely undercut the clock speeds when all cores are used fully (i.e. cpu runs slow). My cheap Gigabyte B365M-DS3H with it's cheap 4+2 VRM arrangement would do this, but a better board like the ASROCK B365M Pro4-F has a 8+1 VRM arrangement so all cores can run to MAX rated TDP. If you are lucky you might be able to adjust those PKG 1,2 limits in the BIOS. It isn't the chipset in itself causing the issue. I notice with Intel the TDP rating is only good for the base frequency when all cores are being used. My i9-9900T never reaches the all-core turbo rating when the 35 Watt TDP is enforced.
Cheers!
You used an MSI board instead of an ASUS board that was your problem. I'm I'm not even kidding. Every time I've bought an MSI board it's been nothing but trouble. Very rarely have I had issues with ASUS boards out of the box.
I have an ASUS rog strix b360f and Im running an i5 8500 with a gtx 1070 and I get much less fps than other benchmarks.
I've worked on 8400 and 360 (Gigabyte B360M D3V) but never seen something like that. It can handle heavy task very well, even before boosting. Maybe there're some issues with either this model or your own board .
Hey Brett! Love the Videos! I actually agree with your conclusion just based off of my own limited testing. But I just wanted to point out that Steve at Gamers Nexus has found in the past with the z370 Boards that Multicore Enchancement was sometimes left on, even when you toggle the setting in BIOS off. I have not tested that specific model of board that you were using, so I can't speak to it happening on there, but I would be willing to bet, the reason why you immediately saw that jump in Performance once you switched over to that board, was because it was boosting all 6 cores to the Max Boost Clock (Which we know it was, hence the higher 100Mhz Clock on Every Core), instead of staying within Intel's Spec. So in this case I don't believe its that you had a better board (Other than the fact that the board has the MCE feature) but more that it was boosting the Cores, even when it wasn't supposed to be. I am willing to Bet in other z370 Boards that have addressed this issue (Or possibly even this same board with a BIOS update if the manufacturer bothered to release one to fix this issue) that the performance would be much more in line with the B360 Board.
Regardless I agree with your overall conclusion, I too believe Ryzen is a better alternative at that Price Point, depending on the use case, but I just wanted to point out that the z370 Board shouldn't have been boosting all cores to the highest Boost, which would most definitely account for the performance increase.
Anyways, keep up the awesome Content! And always, Respect Whomen.
I was about to post a comment saying his combination of 8400@3.9ghz with z370 chipset is as fast as my 8500 (which boosts by default to 3.9ghz) with z370. Now it feels pointless having faster cpu lol
@Miško Brzojebić - Yeah, a Bored Truly can make a HUGE Difference, ESPECIALLY when the Chip isn't overclockable, but a Board has features to push it past Spec ANYWAY. The Cool thing is, I don't know the Intel Spec on your 8500, but I would assume that its Single Core Boost Speed Is higher then the All Core Boost Speed, usually its higher by at least 300Mhz or so. You can tell either by looking it up on the net, or just downloading Intel's XTU (Extreme Tuning Utility) and installing it on your Board, and that will tell you the Max Single Core Boost Clock. It will also allow you to Squeeze more performance out of your chip by bringing up the TDP Limit, and sometimes even lets you Tweak Clocks, even on non Over Clockable Chips. But Once you Find out your Single Core Boost Speed, if its higher Than 3.9Ghz, and you want to get every last Mhz out of your CPU, find you a board that has Multi Core Enhancement, and turn that sucker on. Your Board might even already have it, just find the option in BIOS and turn it on, You may need a BIOS Update for it to work Properly. But whats cool is, as long as you have adequate Cooling, MCE will boost all 6 of your Cores to the Max Single Core Boost automatically, it wont grab you that many FPS difference, but it will still maybe about 5 to 7 Percent faster in some games and benchmarks, so you do definitely have a little room left to boost your CPU, You just got to find that option and get it to switch on!
Thank you for your advice, I'll have a look soon. It wont make a difference with gtx950 i have right now but later on when I replace it with something more powerful. Every % is important.
idk if it's an imperfect PCB (signal problems), an overheating chipset, power delivery or something less predictable.. but that board needs a hammer.
Yeah, this makes much more sense now.... really interesting tho, what could be wrong with the MOBO? power delivery? cooling? lack of RGB?
Great vid. I've made a point to click on every one of your videos to try and help the youtube algorithm feature your vids more.
AFAIK, ASUS boards have automatic CPU overclocking enabled on motherboards. You have to disable it to run CPU on stock settings. Maybe that's why it's performing better on ASUS board. JayzTwoCents made a video where he talked about this issue
This is realy strange. The data shown indicate no throttling of the cpu. 100MHz more is relative insignificant. I'm curious of the VRM temperature on the B360 because only the VRM was changed. The VRM is either temperature or current limited.
100Mhz on one core in a Single Threaded Game would definitely be insignificant. But the fact that he was testing a multithreaded Core heavy Benchmark, and ALL cores were Boosting to 100Mhz higher on All Cores during the entire test certainly would, in that particular case, account for that type of difference.
I believe the z370 Board he was testing on was using a BIOS that keeps MCE ON (Multicore Enhancement) Regardless of the option you chose. Reviewers like Gamers Nexus have shown this being a problem with Multiple Vendors in the past, and its possible that Brett was just running a version of the BIOS where this hasn't been adressed. It definitely was boosting all cores outside of the Intel Spec, so I have a feeling that this is definitely the reason why we have seen this huge difference. If the ASUS has bothered to address this bug and put out a BIOS Update to fix it, and Brett Updated the BIOS, I am willing to bet that his results with MCE OFF would be MUCH closer to the results given in the B360 Board. I could be wrong, but I have a major suspicion that is whats going on.
No , if MCE is on the max clockspeed wont be maxed at 3.8
No lee
Where is the continuation?
Got my i5 8400 for 197$ (includes 25% import duty) , now prices are sky rocketing.
Board problem I think. Z370 just gives you perks really. Usually has higher quality parts, but unless you have an unlocked chip, performance should be the same. The z370 might have better control over the chip because it’s made for performance, but an 8400 is an 8400.
I usually tell people spend your extra money on the better board. Your board and chipset is what controls everything.
My old i7 4790 did exactly this when I upgraded to Windows 10. After weeks of trouble shooting it was that useless Onedrive & the Antivirus program that comes with Windows 10. Had to go into files and edit them both permanently off because windows was not having any of it the normal way. After both were completely shut off and erased.. Viola. Old King started killing it again.
i dont get why Intel mother boards cost more and last 2 CPU generations at most. i rather just buy AMD. its not worth 10 percent more frames in video games to eat the cost of a more expensive CPU and motherboard with almost no upgrade path.
i really hope Intel 10 nm chips have a socket that lasts at least through 10 nm +++++++
Well majority of people buy a cpu to keep not throw away after like 2 years and some who have they money want to get the best cpu for what they want. No I’m not an Intel fanboy (I mean technically I am cuz they’re best for me currently but you get what I mean)
I don’t get why people have to shame the other side for picking what they want just because it’s not their favorite
IdiotPenguin your not a fan boy you're just sharing your opinion. And I agree with the last statement
I've been with the Phenom II 955 since 2010. Whilst I'm clearly CPU bottlenecked at this point and hurting for an upgrade, it still performs as well as it ever has for a wide range of tasks (not taking into account that, of course, due to technological advances certain tasks, such as compiling code could be a lot faster). In other words: Despite obviously showing its age and overstaying its welcome for certain things (due to severe budget constraints), even now it's a usable processor for a good number of things, and was much more so in, say, 2015.
Even the board is chugging along (and could be upgraded to the FX series (care: Only some of them are supported)), even though in those 7-8 years the computer has had an uptime that probably rivals that of most servers (890GX Extreme3).
Christian Knuchel I have Athlon x2 250 with 880g onboard chipset for graphics, adequate for Web / media consumption / office. For me it's an upgrade to Phenom 945/955 for very little money or get R5 2400G which gives more for less power.
I had this problem, did all kinds of crazy things to fix. BIOS just needed to be updated from 2.1 to 2.2 on my MSI Bazooka board. Finally!
the only reason the B360 results are either from a bad mb or you didn't add enough rgb. the power is more but it regulated the electricity going to the components hence electrons travel smoother.
i wouldn't know, i bought in i5 8400 and a z370 for future proofing in case i would upgrade to the i7 8700k or wait for 9th gen
Looking foward to the next vid now. Surely that must be a bad board?! Or have intel nurfed performance on the b360's?!
I've seen some famous youtubers mention that they just copy + paste entire SSD's / back ups to a new SSD / HDD and call it a day. This always bothered me for some reason. Wouldn't that mean there's more room for error?
hey guys so I remember back when the z370 motherboards were coming out with the multicore enhancement that some of the BIOS that even when you disabled it it wasn't actually disabled you'd want to check into that that might be where you're getting that extra performance from
heyyy that's my case :D
Jim from AdoredTV predicted this will happen. But not everyone have a spare Z370 board, or Ryzen to compare, especially with a budged build(i5 8400) I'm waiting your next video with interest :) Regards.
Maybe performance might be better if you disable
Cortana, telemetry, search index services, action center, chrome background process. turn off desktop composition. Pretty much manage most stuff that might use up memory or cpu usage.
Holy crap, never expected the mono to be the issue
at the end of the day its really simple, you got a bad mobo. Don't rack your head over it, and no point in testing to many things because there is plenty of data by other tech-tubers for you to look at with that board. But if you insist on testing, try downclocking and locking everything down in the bios on the z370 to replicate the results of the b360. then you will know if the max settings of the b360 match the results of the lowered z370.
so, is the overall performance better on the intel chip compared to the rizen with the different motherboard? I didn't want to go back and watch it again but it seems like it was better or at least the same as the 2600? thanks for the video. Is the rizen on laptops equally good compared to the intel as well? Thanks.
You should watch the video AdoredTV did on the i5 8400...the issue is much deeper then you can possibly imagine.
Very thorough video! Well done!
Did you check power limits? Sounds a lot like the Z370 sets a higher power limit on the CPU. IMO you can check this in intels tuning utillity. There was a case here in germany where medion 8700 (non-K) system was noticably slower in boost frequency, and they said something similar to "we operate the CPU at intel's spec" - implying that some boards overclock the CPU by applying a higher power limit.
>downloading from steam at the same time you test stuff
>mfw
I am running a 8400 with a z370 mobo 16 GB ddr4 3000 and a rtx 2070 no problems when running games.
Its only 50/75 percent in use on all my games.
I don't have any issues with the i5-8400 and RTX 2070 with Z370 either. It absolutely kicks ass in 2020 in 1440p.
i5 8400 rtx 2070 aswell in 2022 going 23 works like a charm!
Brett, try out some CPU only benchmarks on both boards.. maybe it's not the CPU that gets bottlenecked on the B360 board, but the GPU..?
I thought this CPU was supposed to be good? I have the i5-8400 with a 1070 and when I try to stream or record with OBS it is incapable of doing it smoothly in 1080p 30FPS with a game on low settings. Am I doing something wrong? Using a NVENC encoder works fine.
Might be your OBS settings, i had problems like that too, and i looked up some fixes and they worked out, like setting key interval to 2 for streams.
I didn't read all the comments, so someone may have already suggested this, but maybe there is like windows updates and other processes automatically running in the backround? Also, this may sound like a bit of a longshot, but once I recently trouble shooting a pc for a friend of mine, and after some googling, we found that the issue came down to windows high performance power plan eating up CPU usage somehow... my friend fixed it by just switching back to balanced.
Even though im not too sure whats going on-- nei, I mean I know whats going on but I cannot begin to understand how to fix the fps problem myself. I am enjoying watching you talk about troubleshooting it ykurself and explaining along the way, in learning so much that I didnt know prior to watching your video!
Many other reviewers upped BCLK to 102 or a bit higher but claimed stock. The 8400 does turbo high on all cores when pushed but does hit 99% often. The 8500/8600 is just a better deal if you want to go up to a used better GPU later.
Which reviewers?
Was the video card running at PCIe x16 in the MSI B360? The physical slot doesn't really matter. Things can go wrong and the video card might end up with much fewer PCIe lanes.
Why you not running with vulkan api ? Dx11 crap. Would be nice see some vulkan benchmarks too. But sound like that motherboard is bad or they fault.
It does make me laugh how angry people get about tech. You get a Ryzen CPU and then develop serious anger issues against everyone with an intel cpu and vice versa. It’s ridiculous!
i have an i5 8400 with 1060.. for me it's perfect. i rarely, if ever max out the cpu and i get more then 60 fps. i'm happy for another 4-6 years
I have had the same issue with a MSI B360 Mortar board in our review/test rig, it was under performing compared to my cheap Asrock B360. I got a new MSI B360 Mortar with a newer manufacturing date and did a new retest and system install and this time the B360 Mortar was spewing out comparable results to the cheap Asrock B360.
I suspect there has been a bad batch of B360 Mortars.
Is any one else wondering if he ever thought to update any Mobo drivers. I had forgot to do that too played for over a year without this crazy frame drop. I had to reimage my rig and I decided to update the bios and found a chipset driver installed it and no longer was I seeing that frame drop.
maybe a pin has a slight bend and isnt making contact right, or a tracer broke
where is the follow up? did msi replace the board? did they say anything?
finally a motherboard test! been awhile since last time i saw one..
all we see is either CPU or GPU test... to see the motherboard really affects performance..
i hope many tech channels do this too..
having no IO shield increases FPS! with risks involved too tho.. hahaha
You can thank the i7 for 8 thread designs.
just curious what do u think about the i5-8400 with a z390 mobo and a 1080ti mobo? should i upgrade the processor ok is it fine for most games nowadays?
In 2023 my i5 8400 works aweosme …nvr felt need to upgrade it…just upgraded from gtx 1080 to rtx 3060 ti thats it
So I always felt something was wrong with my pc. Now that I tested it I get the same poor results with same parts(i5 8400, 1060, 2666MHz). Looks like B360M D3H has the same problem.
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Can you re-run your test on an open air bench or with the case side panel removed with a strong fan blowing directly on the VRM heatsinks.
Double check the RAM is in the correct slots for dual channel.
If there are any BIOS updates please update before testing.
Could you also post your boards manufacture date and revision number.
Hey, I ordered this computer in Ignorance of the motherboard type. I have the Inspiron 5680, what motherboard does it come with?
If donald trump's hair was rgb, he'd be a great president.
Am I missing something here? You set the timings to 16-18-18-38. That memory has timings 16-18-18-36 AT 3200MHz. The board itself would only clock up to 2666 MHz, so you would need to scale those numbers back proportionately to compensate for the lower clock speed. I think you are maybe needlessly running the RAM too slowly.
That's irrelevant. I just set them to something memorable so that they could be consistent across testing. It's not the reason for the slowdown since the Z370 performed significantly better with the same timings.
OK - but on the Z370 did you run the memory faster than 2666?
Leigh Taylor No, there was no need cuz it was automatically faster at the same frequency & timings.
Thanks for that. It would be interesting to let the B360M mortar just use defaults and see if that's better. That would help to narrow the problem down a bit perhaps.
I only have DDR4 2400 memory so my mileage may vary on this. I'm just going to let it pick its own settings and see how we go.
I use i5 6600 with an MSI B150M Bazooka, and i get HORRIBLE bf1 performance. CPU is maxed out most of the time, it's constantly on 3.6ghz with hyper 212 evo and 16gb 2133mhz ram. This now scratched my mind... I know that bf1 is really cpu heavy, but shouldn't be that heavy to clog my 1070 on high details and 1440p, my GPU barely comes close to 50% usage. If i played on 1080p low settings then maybe yeah, but on 1440p dunno...
what game is that at 4:11?
I'd wager it's the cheap motherboard combined with Intel bumping core counts on all levels. The B360 boards don't seem to have great VRMs in general and MSI is known for having some of the worst VRMs out there on their cheaper boards...I'd wager it simply can't give the CPU a stable power flow so parts of the CPU aren't clocking as high as they normally would/could. (Remember, the clock speed we see and alter is just the main clock, different parts actually operate at different frequencies and a lot of those aren't exposed to the user at all.)
Hi! My system is i5 8400 with a asrock b360m and gtx1060 6gb. What is your settings on your ff15? I have it installed on my pc going to test it later.
2 theories, either the b360 was slowing down the cpu because of power management or maybe the board is faulty?
I have the amd b350m mortar and my 1600x pretty much stays at max speed all the time, upgrading to an X motherboard wouldnt improve my fps. I would have thougt that the power delivery on the b360 boards were comparsble to the z370 boards..... Csn you test another b350 board?
Check your read errors, might be a damaged component causing repeated requests to memory and slowing everything down.
Did u update the bios from the b360 , cause I didn't see the previous be video about this computer ?
Hi so can you get a replacement mb exactly like the old one and see if the performance is the same?
hy, i use i5 8400 but my system show Speed in taskbar .78GHz only (asus b360m-d motherbord ), how to fix it
So is there any news about this, I have B360M and I5 8400 and my CPU is always on 100%. Im playing GTAV and BFV on ULTRA all games are playable and I have no issues but still I dont think it is normal for CPU to be all the time on 100% while all of my friends have about 30%-50% on the same games but difrent CPU. Should I just buy new motherboard then or stick with this until it drops dead ?
I have the same thing i5 8400 is trash
You have the turbo boost set to always on in the bios, turn it to where it goes on when it needs to be on and itll fix that. I game every game I play with an 8400 and I have no issues at all. CPU doesn't even hit 100% under heavy gaming for me.
@@7Senan7 Completely ignorant comment, the 8400 is a great cpu, you just have to know how to set your bios if you have a always 100% cpu usage going lol.
I have the 8400 with a 1080 and 16gb ram at 2400mhz with Gigabyte B360. And my GPU runs at 100% a lot of the time. But the PC runs perfectly fine. There isn't any issues. It is as if the CPU runs that high to maximize performance. Because I can keep opening stuff and everything runs smoothly.
My FPS is the near maximum for games on max settings that the 1080 can reach.
Same for me... Have you tried streaming or recording in OBS? My 8400 and 1070 can't seem to handle this even with very mediocre settings...
@@banditbrah I haven't done any streaming. Most intense work was doing a decryption and playing games at the same time. It does cause stuttering during the initial start up of the game but works fine afterwards.
This is such a great video, I wish you did more of these.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Hot News videos, but this was more entertaining!
that 5fps + io shield. it's an epic item ya know.
If this is a problem on more B360 boards than just that one, I will never be buying an intel product again. That would be so pathetic that intel, or the manufactures, would make the B360 chipset perform significantly worse, forcing you to buy Z370 to take full advantage of your LOCKED chip... Really hope this isn't a problem on other boards.
It is on mine, asus rog strix b360-f
I've noticed 1.53W vs 11.33W max uncore power on different setups. What were the ring/cache frequencies?
Contact MSI with your results and see what they have to say
Interedasting...
I already knew it wasn't working since I built a PC with a 8400 with a Asrock B360 K4 and your performance didn't align with what I was getting at all and the system has...
- i5 8400
- Cooler Master TX3i
- Sapphire Pulse RX580 8GB
- 2x 4GB DDR4 2666 HyperX Fury
- Asrock B360 K4
- 250GB Crucial MX500
- 1TB Seagate Firecuda 3.5" SSHD
- Cooler Master masterbox 5 mesh
- 500 Watt Be Quiet Power 10
- Samsung 24" C24FG70 144Hz FreeSync 1080p
Superb bang for buck gaming system. He mostly plays Fortnite which he has no problem getting 90-100 FPS. Most of the parts I already had like the 580, SSD and PSU.
Sorry went off topic, still something wrong with that board.
you forgot the io panel, that will boost your gaming experience