The fact that this thing is still $100 is crazy. Great cpu, I remember lusting over over this chip when it released. I only had i3 6100 money at the time.
Yes its100$ used and used Mobo around that price and you can buy cheaper r5 5500+ cheaper mobo (new both) and r5 5600 are only 20$ more and this cpus wipe the floors with i7 7700/k in everything
Yeah the enthusiast level CPUs of each generation stay high for quite long. I think it's because they are an easy upgrade for people with old systems and mid range CPUs.
@@tahustvedt There's low supply of such high-end CPUs in the first place and they're usually used as long as they're useful. However they'll rapidly loose price at some point, usually when they're barely useful for anything. This thing happened with Core2Quad CPUs, that for very long held their price, since it was an easy way to make old Core2Duo machines usable. Especially for gaming since PS4/XO era games had heavy stutter on Core2Duo, while they easily reached 30-60 FPS on Core2Quads. Now the same thing is happening with 4/8 CPUs of older generations, since many new games have performance issues on 4/4 (or less) CPUs. Such 8/4 CPUs are priced at a point as it still have sense to buy them for old PC instead of upgrading motherboard + CPU.
I just went from an i5-6500 to the i7-7700 today and holy hell the difference in heat spitting out of the back of my pc is insane. I haven't upgraded cooler either so I'm using the stock one that came inside my Dell Optiplex 3050 MT 😂 I feel like I'm gonna burn that CPU up but oh well.
Yeah its too hot for old stock fan. Now im using the jonsbo cr 1200 for only 8$. Its only goes to 75 celerus at cs2 and warzone. But i think the cooler master 212 is better
I bought a 7700k from silicon lottery.. it was fast af at the time.. I managed 5.1 GHz on all cores with a 360 mm AIO.. it was and still is a fast chip .. RIP silicon lottery 😔😔🙏🙏
I got a fantastic 4690k that I still oc from 3.9 to 4.6 to this day... rip silicon lottery? As you can tell I have not brought a cpu in almost 10 years (mostly as I dont really need as I play less demanding and chill games now) but what happened to silicon lottery?
@@the_retag yeah Im aware that they factory prebin a lot these days but mostly for minimum tresholds... AFAIR silicon lotery was buying a bunch of chips and stress oc them to grab the best... business model not viable? What do you mean? Apologies for being confused.
@@MagralhoPT basically with ks skus and all that they got very little oc with a lot of power, and still had to sell expensive because of all the work. Modern cpus just have less lottery in them, so having that as a product didnt work anymore
@@the_retag thats what I feel about it too... feels like in the last decade or so there was a push for diversifying lines of the same product and doing binning in house... same way they do with gpu to the point that, like you said... not worth the extra price for K products since they will be running at "stock speeds" anyway... same way a rtx 3090ti is just a binned and oc'd 3090 for more money. You literally paying for having the oc done for you.
It's not the end of quad cores not by a long shot. But the normal quad cores have become the new hyperthreaded dual cores. Hyperthreaded quad are some where in the middle nor as bad as a quad core but not as good as a six core. Six cores are the new norm.
yeah steam hw survey is showing this with most months having hexa cores as the most common. it is good to see that the average gamer is getting better hardware
The Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X definitely helped bring good 4c/8t processors to the budget segment. We don't have Ryzen 3 Zen 3 chips (missed opportunity by AMD) but we do have the Ryzen 5 5500 which would be my budget pick.
@DriveAndMaintain more like i3-10100. The R3 3100 and 3300X have been practically nonexistent since their launch due to AMD having better yields. Those chips merely served as a giant middle finger to Intel on the marketing/media side.
Just so you know, at the time of writing this comment, Core i3 12300 holds the world record for the Fastest Quad Core processor ever. Which I would expect succeeded by Core i3 13300. The Core i3 12300 is faster than Core i7 8700K OC'd in almost literally everything, From Gaming, to Productivity, the 12300 still faster than 8700K.
And that is what makes me a little bit sad 8086k owner. Few years after joining mighty i7 owners club it gets beaten by 4 core i3-s. Well I'm not tempted to upgrade anyway, with mediocre motherboards costing more than my apex did. Also everybody said a few years back that an r5 3600 will be everything you need for years to come. Guess that statement aged like milk.
@@viktorm.9329 It's still enough, it gives 60+ FPS in modern AAA titles, it just also happens that the CPU market got very competitive since 2017 that's why an i3 from 2022 can be better than an i7 from 2017.
@@RonnieMcNutt666 Yeah, the extra cache and clock speeds makes it significantly faster than the i3 12300, but it isn't a "true" quad core CPU, still it shows how far four cores can go with a modern architecture.
This is quickly becoming my new favorite tech history channel. Your editing, narration and presentation is top notch. You will be at 100k subs in no time.
I still have an i7 7700K/1080ti gaming PC as my secondary/backup rig as I'm constantly tweaking my newer Ryzen rig. That CPU when slightly OC'ed holds its own when it comes to most games even against newer 6 & 8 core CPU based rigs that I've built (R5 3600, R7 3700X and i9 9900K are just some) but, I usually only game with games released before 2021 as that seems to be right around the time when game developers started to make use of the 6 core CPUs (especially in open world games).
only drawback of the 7700k was that it produced a lot more heat compared to the 6700k on the time, once you get it tamed it behaves flush like a sheep, really cool backup setup dude
@@mendoxx097 Well, in my own personal experience the 7700K's heat was more than manageable as I ran a hyper 212 for 2yrs and never seen it hit higher than 75c in games and it would idle at 28c but, I did add a 240mm AIO later to mess around with OC'ing it and got it stable at 4.9ghz so, in that respect it served me well for almost 5yrs but, it's pretty much a dinosaur now compared to the current and last generation of CPUs from both Intel and AMD ;)
@@appsaucetech Nah, the 14nm+ node and architecture refresh made it possible to get to 5 GHz+. All high end Skylake refresh CPUs (Aka Kabylake till Rocket lake) can go that high with an OC or even at stock like the i9's from the 9th and 10th gen.
@@ismaelsoto9507 oc'd to 4.9 it went to around 85C with a voltage increase, i have a noctua nh d-15. I usually just undervolt it and set it to 4.5 all-core. Keeps it arund 50C in gaming and around 65 in cinebench after a couple of runs
The coolest 7th gen CPU are the 8th gen Kaby Lake Gs, which is basically a i7-7820hq glued with a very custom Polaris + HBM GPU that had official graphics driver support that lasted until only around late 2020 (and that was a driver for Vega 56)
This is why I held onto my i7-2600k for as long as I did. Aside from the "most powerful" GPU I ever paired with it being a RX 580, it could easily hold 4.5-4.7Ghz all day on an air cooler. Which still blows my mind compared to modern CPU core clocks. I (rather ironically) upgraded to the R5 2600 when my mobo died from the good ol Sandy Bridge chip. That too was a great CPU that definitely helped improve 1%/0.1% lows with the same RX 580. But alas, I was finally able to achieve a more substantial upgrade and now have the R5 5600 paired with a 3060ti. AMD has come a long way, and Intel equivalent offerings are also much better value for money when you go with something like the i3-12100F or i5-12400F.
@@postedinthecut1565 nice man. I have a b450 tomahawk so I was able to reuse my mobo from the 2600 without any problems. Another reason I've been really happy with going with AMD, their hardware support has become what should be the industry standard. Unfortunately Intel still follows a 2 generation interval per mobo chipset
the effing sandy bridges! XD those things overclocked like is nobody business. but their hyperthreading performance was subpar, the i5s had almost the same performance than i7s after OC for some reason.
Okay but I hope you know that there is more to CPUs than just clock speeds and even core counts. Newer generations have higher IPC values despite similar clock speeds due to various optimizations.
My wifes i7 7700K is coming up on 6 years of running overclocked in a Maximus Hero IX board. 5Ghz for gaming and typically around 4.8Ghz for cpu mining. Between those two tasks, its only been turned off for update restarts and a power outage like once. Can't ask for more reliability than its given.
I'm running an i7-7700T for power efficiency and it's great for my use case. I was running a Ryzen 9 3900X with RTX 2060 KO and idle power on HWMonitor showed 33W-43W idle CPU and 18W for GPU. That's a good amount on idle alone when I have to step away from my computer so much and for long periods of time. I already had the i7-7700T collecting dust since that was the previous build and it's great on power sitting around 4W-8W during idle and just running the iGPU. I didn't need to run the RTX 2060 anymore either since I don't have the time or luxury to play games. I'll look at going 12th or 13th gen Intel (most likely another "T" part for power efficiency again though I've seen that K and non K are pretty good as is on idle) down the road since the iGPU on there is way better than the one on the 7th gen if I ever want to play light games again if time permits.
@@scoob892 Zen 2 has wildly better IPC, efficiency and it's dirt cheap nowadays the 7700T is over 100$ on ebay. If i use "the r word" on youtube my comment will likely be removed, but I'd use that descriptive here.
Almost forgot since I had to step away. I have the i7-7700T on a Z170 board and am able to run XMP, though limited to 2933MHz max for non-K skews, which still performs admirably. To me, it feels like the i7-7000T doesn't feel as sluggish as the Ryzen 9 3900X at times. Maybe it's just me or might be due to slightly better single core performance on Intel? I haven't really looked too much into it but I'm happy with it. Only slight downside is that no official support for Windows 11 on 7th gen Intel but that's a bridge I'll have to cross when 2025 rolls around. That's still plenty of life left for me. I also have the an i7-7700T running for my home server and it's working great as well. It did have an i5-6500T on it before but it felt pretty sluggish compared to the i7-7700T. Probably the best money upgrade there IMO.
whenever this gets mentioned i remember the 6th and 7th gen have the same instructions set as 8th gen but are not w11 compatible. Useful for when w10 is no longer being updated
I recently upgraded my i5 6600k to a i7 7700. The reason I did so was because I bought an insta360 camera and I was hoping that the 7700 would export video faster. The 7700 does not export any faster, but it does leave 30% overhead so I can do other things while exporting. The 6600k ran at 100% while exporting. The graphics card is a GTX 1660 Super. I also bought a Lenovo Legion 5i with a 12700H and 3070ti. I was hoping it would export insta360 videos much faster than the 7700, but it is actually about 20% slower while using considerably more power. The Legion 5 is over twice as fast as my 2012 MacBook pro though, and is Much better at editing.
I'm still rocking the intel i7-7700 in my rig now. Its great for some esports titles but i would go k version but since i have the msi nightblade prebuilt im limited by the 350w power supply
I might be the only one, but I'd really like to see this chip "the last quad core i7" vs a modern quad core i3, like the 12100. Since the core and thread counts are the same it might be interesting to see the difference over the years
This is the second time this channel has shown up in my Google feed. I like the production style. This is one of the easiest benchmarks to watch - most benchmark videos turn into unintelligible, difficult to follow monotonous droning very quickly. This guy's benchmarks are the easiest for me to follow, and I REALLY appreciate that you don't say the exact same sentence set for each game. Also, I appreciate seeing older hardware tested with modern games. This is much more likely to matter to most people, than the new multiple-hundred dollar CPUs.
Its awesome you can get i7 performance from an i3 now. Honestly everything above an i3 is a luxury now. But like a good gamer, i put the rest of the budget into GPU and storage.
Intercourse... LOL. Single core IPC is pretty strong with this one. Picked up AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (open box) for the same price as this. Great presentation and Video Iceberg. Merry Christmas to all!
@@nephron9924 I’ve always been skidish about doing that. I have a hyper 212 evo and it hits 5ghz sustained and works well but the heat it puts off can warm the 3 bedroom ranch we own lol
Honestly looking back Intel had been stagnant for many years by the point the 7700 released. If back in 2011 you invested in a 2500k or 2600k or in 2012 in a 3rd gen equivalent and a good motherboard that you can overclock with you would have no reason to upgrade to the newer generations 6 years down the line to the 6700 or 7700 k or non k since you can just throw a decent overclock on those and get close enough at the very least to one of the more modern cpu's. It's crazy to think that for 6 whole years we were stuck with quad core CPU's. It feels so stagnant compared to how quickly things are moving nowadays
my 7700k is still serving me well even after being hammered with all core boosts and 24/7 uptime, now living inside of a server while my main PC runs on 12700K.
my i7-7700 on a ASUS Strix Z270E with 2x 8gb 3200@C16 (OC to 3400) holds the 1080p Firestrike record for identical hardware with 1070 Strix SLI (1x 8g oc + 1x 8g flashed with oc bios)
you might find a e5-2697v2 an interesting cpu to test, they work on the x79 boards, and if you adjust the base clock you can get them quite a bit faster and the 30mb of cashe seems to do wonders on some loads gaming included.
When the 2600k launched, an entire generation of Intel users suddenly expected more. And Intel did not deliver. I used my 2600k until late 2021. I still use it in my hackintosh. Overclocked to 5.2GHz with a 1070ti, it was still a beast of a system.
Lot of games are good with quad cores, because they don't utilize more. Probably the devs know how the market is still not 6 or more usually. Hypertheading is also in picture. 7th gen is usable today for many people because of it.
1:35 I want this as a repeated soundbite throughout all your videos that will ever describe the wonderful wacky world of CEX despite never being in one ever.
Two weeks ago, I was arguing with some idiot who said that most games nowadays still use 1 to 2 cores. And you'll not gonna need more than 4 cores for at least another decade...
7700 &k aren't hedt, just expensive consumer chips, intel had 6 core cpus even on LGA 1366 in 2010 and had them released on a regular basis for that platform tier (LGA 2011, 2011-3, 2066)
I had this " bank error in your favor" situation yesterday. I've bought 8gb stick of laptop ddr4 for ~12$ and got 16gb worth ~35-40$. Last year got hd7790 2gb instead of 1gb.
Some say the eDRAM doesn't help at all and the 5775C is worse than a 4790K. While some other people say the eDRAM helps a lot and the 5775C competes with much newer CPUs. So yeah, it would be nice to see a video of that
The 8700k has aged so much better than the 7700k. The thing about these benchmarks is that they assume you do absolutely nothing in the background, opening discord in the background will tank the results in the more intense games. Which is much less of an issue on 6 core processors.
these cpus where extremely powerfull back in the day. i never understood why people bought a ryzen first and sec gen cpu and replaced thair i7 7700k with one of them. i still hvae my 7700k in my system and play everything. my sister has a i7 4790k oced to 5ghz and has no issues
i had been using this exact chip with the RTX 3080 for a good few months before i changed to the 5800X. It was still a competent chip for high resolution gameplays back then.
Classic CEX. Yeah the price of a 7700 is a bit much given its performance. The 6th gen i7 and i5 are more affordable and the 6 core i5's of 8th and 9th gen make more sense, but I agree they all seem a bit meh compared to a £100 brand new ryzen 5 5500. Great content, thanks to you and CEX.
I got the 7770k on launch, overclock that shit to 5.2ghz @1.375v and it was great. Though earlier last year I decided to finally upgrade my PC and with that, since I was replacing everything else, felt like a good time to get my "Forever CPU" which is now the 5900X. Had I waited a bit, I probably would've gone with the 5800X3D but for now this is great and will probably not think of upgrading anytime soon!
i still use a quad core on my laptop and most games i play still run fine. i can confirm that for whatever reason, Elden Ring hates quad cores. my gpu and cpu utilization can both be between 30-50% and the fps still wont budge above the low 40s
what would you upgrade? i am content with 45-65FPS VRR performance. Currently have a 3930k and a 4790k for gaming rigs... the i7 has 70% cpu usage on "year 2023" games like need for speed unbound , basically a ps5 port...have not tried the quad core 4790k on newest games but i fear it wont help...
Well, I wouldn't upgrade the 3930K to anything less than an E5-1680 v2. It's the best CPU on the plaform, review here: ruclips.net/video/SB81b8ULZ_Q/видео.html The 4790K only has one upgrade available, the 5775C. In some titles, this could actually be a downgrade from the CPU you have. Again, review here: ruclips.net/video/pTP4RC4EjDo/видео.html In truth, my recommendation depends largely on how far you want to go. A Ryzen 5 5600, B550 motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 would cost about $250, will outperform either platform and use less electricity in the process. An i5-12400F + B660 setup would be a little more expensive if you wanted to stick with Team Blue, but has the same advantages. If you don't want the extra hassle & effort of removing and reselling your old components, then I'd stick with the 4790K and upgrade the 3930K to the Xeon.
*CEX wants to know your location* But yeah it’s a decent chip for it’s time. I had an i7-6700 before making the switch to AM4 with a 2700X and currently 5600. Best thing about Skylake was the temps. With a little undervolt, and a decent Noctua, you could get these i7’s generally between 15 degrees C and max 60 degrees C. If I remember correctly, Kaby Lake was mostly a slight improvement in the features/media codec department, specifically around H.265, VP9 and the igpu.
I am happy AMD made chips with more cores otherwise we would probably still only have quad core i7s. I am running a Ryzen 5 2600 It overclocks really well but my b450 board died when a PSU blew up and I could only afford the cheapest motherboard so I now have a Gigabyte A320 which is holding back my system now I Cant overclock at all and I am having to run my RAM slower as the board wont support it any higher but I cant afford to replace anything as I cant work now due to bad medical news this year also I am happy to see a UK channel doing hardware reviews I can never seem to find any from the UK that I enjoy watching.
i've still got a 7700k in a cheap build with a 1080ti, pulls more than 60fps in everything i throw at it completely maxed out at 1440p. not bad for a cpu i picked up for £40. got a few 6700k/7700k's i use for budget builds and had no complaints yet
So like, funny thing is that a lot of older cpu's are able to be useful for so much. Though the higher end of the gaming market can be very taxing, less time sensitive and less intense tasks are still handled well enough by sandy bridge. I mean, here in the west we're extremely privileged to basically be on top of the world. The USA probably has the most wealth and general control of resources so these high end computer parts can really thrive here. However, with sandy bridge still being useful I think they are still acceptable in the USA and they're even desirable to a lot of the world. Too bad that charity is outright unamerican. Reusing things or giving things to people competes too much with the "free market" and people who want to sell things. Personally I'm glad that China has a good recycling scheme for reusing the chipsets of old motherboards and making new motherboards with them.
Still rocking my 7700k, didn't feel like it was lacking on my 1070ti but now that I recently upgraded to a 3060ti I can really feel it struggling. Its come to the end of its life unfortunately but was a beast for the past 4yrs
I went with an 8700K back in 2018. Still a very strong CPU, although Cyberpunk brings it to its limits. I don't see the need to upgrade to a 9900K anytime soon.
I'm still using it's older brother, the 6700 .Performance is basically the same and it fares well with my RTX 2060 though newer titles might be an issue. It's crazy to think I bought this CPU almost 7 years ago and to say the least it served me well. I'm currently looking to build a new PC this time I think imma go with the i5 12600k or 13600k
I have the same cpu too. I am planing to buy a rtx 3060 or ti but I am wondering that is there a bottleneck in your system while playing battlefield or other recent games?
I upgraded my 6700k to a 9900k on the same Z170 motherboard (with modding), thus reaching comparable results with the ryzen 3700x/3800x back in the day. Long live my 1151 computer
It is not a bad CPU but it has a very bad used market pricing and therefore makes it very unbuyable when having access to very cheap 6 core modern CPUs more capable of modern multi tasking.
I got the i7 7700K a few days ago to replace my i5 6600 and it was worth it. I wouldn't buy the i7 brand new back in the day, but for an 2015 PC it is a nice upgrade in 2024.
Last week I helped a dude upgrade his mobo, CPU and GPU. I was generous and gave him a 650 watt gold PSU and sata SSD I had lying around. He gave me his old 1060, mobo, and 7700. I still have my old delid tool. Things gonna be under liquid metal soon because why not?
The i5--2500k is a serious underdog, when I would tell gamer friends I opted for i5, they laughed and chuckled because they had i7. My chip was bought brand new in 2012 and was retired in 2020 after 8 years of 4.5ghz oc and gaming. It saw through 3 GPU upgrades, GTX560ti, GTX770 and a GTX Titan. It was retired in favour of Ryzen 7 2700 and RTX2060 and sits waiting to go back into a storage server I am planning.
I bought a premade for my desk PC quite a few years back. Turns out it has the i7700 in it. Spiderman looks amazing. Why do people value FPS when a game can look and play beautifully without hitting 300FPS.
It made Intel Kaby Lake look even more underwhelming when LinusTechTips was benchmarking CPUs using 4K games. The problem was that 4K was the hype of the gaming world and it was used for benchmarks, apparently nobody understood that it always made the GPU the limiting factor and all CPUs delivered identical results. Whoops!
Sad you stopped joking about them weird civ players needing them precious seconds............................. great video as always tho, keep up the good work
I get that. My mom bought a £1000 PC for me and my sister to share when we were kids. I found out how to upgrade the RAM, and in the process of doing so managed to disable the sound card. I fixed it eventually, but Mom wasn’t impressed! To answer your question, those specs look like a reasonable match for each other. If you can’t get something with an RX 6650 XT or or similar for the same price, I’d say go for it. One thing, if you want to try your hand at video editing or streaming, see if you can get the non-F version of the i5. OH! And if it’s an 8GB 3060 I’d avoid it on principal.
The fact that this thing is still $100 is crazy. Great cpu, I remember lusting over over this chip when it released. I only had i3 6100 money at the time.
Yes its100$ used and used Mobo around that price and you can buy cheaper r5 5500+ cheaper mobo (new both) and r5 5600 are only 20$ more and this cpus wipe the floors with i7 7700/k in everything
Yeah the enthusiast level CPUs of each generation stay high for quite long. I think it's because they are an easy upgrade for people with old systems and mid range CPUs.
@@tahustvedt There's low supply of such high-end CPUs in the first place and they're usually used as long as they're useful. However they'll rapidly loose price at some point, usually when they're barely useful for anything. This thing happened with Core2Quad CPUs, that for very long held their price, since it was an easy way to make old Core2Duo machines usable. Especially for gaming since PS4/XO era games had heavy stutter on Core2Duo, while they easily reached 30-60 FPS on Core2Quads.
Now the same thing is happening with 4/8 CPUs of older generations, since many new games have performance issues on 4/4 (or less) CPUs.
Such 8/4 CPUs are priced at a point as it still have sense to buy them for old PC instead of upgrading motherboard + CPU.
God sad lust is sinful but can you really help it when he made pc parts so sexy 🤤 mmmm rtx 4090
The fact that the basic i3 12100 wipes the floor with it is even better. Kind of pays the last respects to the old hw.
At one point upgraded an i5 6600k to a i7 7700k. Didn't realize 7700k is a hot boi.
I just went from an i5-6500 to the i7-7700 today and holy hell the difference in heat spitting out of the back of my pc is insane. I haven't upgraded cooler either so I'm using the stock one that came inside my Dell Optiplex 3050 MT 😂 I feel like I'm gonna burn that CPU up but oh well.
Yeah its too hot for old stock fan. Now im using the jonsbo cr 1200 for only 8$. Its only goes to 75 celerus at cs2 and warzone. But i think the cooler master 212 is better
I bought a 7700k from silicon lottery.. it was fast af at the time.. I managed 5.1 GHz on all cores with a 360 mm AIO.. it was and still is a fast chip .. RIP silicon lottery 😔😔🙏🙏
I got a fantastic 4690k that I still oc from 3.9 to 4.6 to this day... rip silicon lottery? As you can tell I have not brought a cpu in almost 10 years (mostly as I dont really need as I play less demanding and chill games now) but what happened to silicon lottery?
@@MagralhoPT afaik they shut down because cpus are so prebinned and factory ocd that there business model wasnt viable anymore
@@the_retag yeah Im aware that they factory prebin a lot these days but mostly for minimum tresholds...
AFAIR silicon lotery was buying a bunch of chips and stress oc them to grab the best... business model not viable? What do you mean? Apologies for being confused.
@@MagralhoPT basically with ks skus and all that they got very little oc with a lot of power, and still had to sell expensive because of all the work. Modern cpus just have less lottery in them, so having that as a product didnt work anymore
@@the_retag thats what I feel about it too... feels like in the last decade or so there was a push for diversifying lines of the same product and doing binning in house... same way they do with gpu to the point that, like you said... not worth the extra price for K products since they will be running at "stock speeds" anyway... same way a rtx 3090ti is just a binned and oc'd 3090 for more money. You literally paying for having the oc done for you.
It's not the end of quad cores not by a long shot. But the normal quad cores have become the new hyperthreaded dual cores. Hyperthreaded quad are some where in the middle nor as bad as a quad core but not as good as a six core. Six cores are the new norm.
yeah steam hw survey is showing this with most months having hexa cores as the most common. it is good to see that the average gamer is getting better hardware
The Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X definitely helped bring good 4c/8t processors to the budget segment. We don't have Ryzen 3 Zen 3 chips (missed opportunity by AMD) but we do have the Ryzen 5 5500 which would be my budget pick.
Exactly
@DriveAndMaintain more like i3-10100. The R3 3100 and 3300X have been practically nonexistent since their launch due to AMD having better yields. Those chips merely served as a giant middle finger to Intel on the marketing/media side.
I have a couple quad cores that i will be using for awhile.
Just so you know, at the time of writing this comment, Core i3 12300 holds the world record for the Fastest Quad Core processor ever. Which I would expect succeeded by Core i3 13300.
The Core i3 12300 is faster than Core i7 8700K OC'd in almost literally everything, From Gaming, to Productivity, the 12300 still faster than 8700K.
Well, the goal wasn’t to find the fastest quad core, but that’s not a bad idea for a video! I’ll bear it in mind for the future.
And that is what makes me a little bit sad 8086k owner. Few years after joining mighty i7 owners club it gets beaten by 4 core i3-s. Well I'm not tempted to upgrade anyway, with mediocre motherboards costing more than my apex did. Also everybody said a few years back that an r5 3600 will be everything you need for years to come. Guess that statement aged like milk.
@@viktorm.9329 It's still enough, it gives 60+ FPS in modern AAA titles, it just also happens that the CPU market got very competitive since 2017 that's why an i3 from 2022 can be better than an i7 from 2017.
fastest quad core is 13900k in 4 core mode hue
@@RonnieMcNutt666 Yeah, the extra cache and clock speeds makes it significantly faster than the i3 12300, but it isn't a "true" quad core CPU, still it shows how far four cores can go with a modern architecture.
This is quickly becoming my new favorite tech history channel. Your editing, narration and presentation is top notch. You will be at 100k subs in no time.
I still have an i7 7700K/1080ti gaming PC as my secondary/backup rig as I'm constantly tweaking my newer Ryzen rig. That CPU when slightly OC'ed holds its own when it comes to most games even against newer 6 & 8 core CPU based rigs that I've built (R5 3600, R7 3700X and i9 9900K are just some) but, I usually only game with games released before 2021 as that seems to be right around the time when game developers started to make use of the 6 core CPUs (especially in open world games).
only drawback of the 7700k was that it produced a lot more heat compared to the 6700k on the time, once you get it tamed it behaves flush like a sheep, really cool backup setup dude
@@mendoxx097 Well, in my own personal experience the 7700K's heat was more than manageable as I ran a hyper 212 for 2yrs and never seen it hit higher than 75c in games and it would idle at 28c but, I did add a 240mm AIO later to mess around with OC'ing it and got it stable at 4.9ghz so, in that respect it served me well for almost 5yrs but, it's pretty much a dinosaur now compared to the current and last generation of CPUs from both Intel and AMD ;)
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7700K was way better than 6700K what came to overclockability. I ran mine @ 5.2GHz (AVX -2) back in the day.
geez. Are you sure it wasn't an i9
@@appsaucetech Nah, the 14nm+ node and architecture refresh made it possible to get to 5 GHz+. All high end Skylake refresh CPUs (Aka Kabylake till Rocket lake) can go that high with an OC or even at stock like the i9's from the 9th and 10th gen.
I couldn't get mine to be stable at 5.0 , 4.9 worked fine though
@@stefanpastravanu1493 Silicon lottery at it's finest.
I'd guess a delid could help a bit, at minimum it decreases temps A LOT.
@@ismaelsoto9507 oc'd to 4.9 it went to around 85C with a voltage increase, i have a noctua nh d-15. I usually just undervolt it and set it to 4.5 all-core. Keeps it arund 50C in gaming and around 65 in cinebench after a couple of runs
The coolest 7th gen CPU are the 8th gen Kaby Lake Gs, which is basically a i7-7820hq glued with a very custom Polaris + HBM GPU that had official graphics driver support that lasted until only around late 2020 (and that was a driver for Vega 56)
Isn't that a mobile processor?
@@greatwavefan397 Yup
Wasn't that chip featured in the Skull Canyon NUC?
@@d4nyll Hades Canyon
@@greatwavefan397 ky
This is why I held onto my i7-2600k for as long as I did. Aside from the "most powerful" GPU I ever paired with it being a RX 580, it could easily hold 4.5-4.7Ghz all day on an air cooler. Which still blows my mind compared to modern CPU core clocks. I (rather ironically) upgraded to the R5 2600 when my mobo died from the good ol Sandy Bridge chip. That too was a great CPU that definitely helped improve 1%/0.1% lows with the same RX 580. But alas, I was finally able to achieve a more substantial upgrade and now have the R5 5600 paired with a 3060ti. AMD has come a long way, and Intel equivalent offerings are also much better value for money when you go with something like the i3-12100F or i5-12400F.
dude I have the same setup, I went from a 2600x b350 rx 580 in like 2018 to a b550 r5 5600 and 3060ti at end of 2022 thumbs up.
@@postedinthecut1565 nice man. I have a b450 tomahawk so I was able to reuse my mobo from the 2600 without any problems. Another reason I've been really happy with going with AMD, their hardware support has become what should be the industry standard. Unfortunately Intel still follows a 2 generation interval per mobo chipset
the effing sandy bridges! XD those things overclocked like is nobody business.
but their hyperthreading performance was subpar, the i5s had almost the same performance than i7s after OC for some reason.
bro i have 5.3 with my i3 12100f BCLK OC all day long, doesnt go higher than 65 deg in games(celcius)
Okay but I hope you know that there is more to CPUs than just clock speeds and even core counts. Newer generations have higher IPC values despite similar clock speeds due to various optimizations.
I still have a i7 7700 as a back up system, it's pretty good. I upgraded to a 5900X night and day upgrade.
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My wifes i7 7700K is coming up on 6 years of running overclocked in a Maximus Hero IX board.
5Ghz for gaming and typically around 4.8Ghz for cpu mining. Between those two tasks, its only been turned off for update restarts and a power outage like once. Can't ask for more reliability than its given.
reading your comment i just realized that 7700k is 6 years old 😰
Appreciate your production quality. Keep up the good work! I think this channel is going places.
I've thought of getting an i7-7700T for a dream efficiency build; this caught my interest.
If you really want high efficiency on a budget just get the new 3600A and power limit it.
@@fVNzO AMD fanboy?
I'm running an i7-7700T for power efficiency and it's great for my use case. I was running a Ryzen 9 3900X with RTX 2060 KO and idle power on HWMonitor showed 33W-43W idle CPU and 18W for GPU. That's a good amount on idle alone when I have to step away from my computer so much and for long periods of time. I already had the i7-7700T collecting dust since that was the previous build and it's great on power sitting around 4W-8W during idle and just running the iGPU. I didn't need to run the RTX 2060 anymore either since I don't have the time or luxury to play games. I'll look at going 12th or 13th gen Intel (most likely another "T" part for power efficiency again though I've seen that K and non K are pretty good as is on idle) down the road since the iGPU on there is way better than the one on the 7th gen if I ever want to play light games again if time permits.
@@scoob892 Zen 2 has wildly better IPC, efficiency and it's dirt cheap nowadays the 7700T is over 100$ on ebay. If i use "the r word" on youtube my comment will likely be removed, but I'd use that descriptive here.
Almost forgot since I had to step away. I have the i7-7700T on a Z170 board and am able to run XMP, though limited to 2933MHz max for non-K skews, which still performs admirably. To me, it feels like the i7-7000T doesn't feel as sluggish as the Ryzen 9 3900X at times. Maybe it's just me or might be due to slightly better single core performance on Intel? I haven't really looked too much into it but I'm happy with it. Only slight downside is that no official support for Windows 11 on 7th gen Intel but that's a bridge I'll have to cross when 2025 rolls around. That's still plenty of life left for me.
I also have the an i7-7700T running for my home server and it's working great as well. It did have an i5-6500T on it before but it felt pretty sluggish compared to the i7-7700T. Probably the best money upgrade there IMO.
whenever this gets mentioned i remember the 6th and 7th gen have the same instructions set as 8th gen but are not w11 compatible.
Useful for when w10 is no longer being updated
Haswell was such a good investment. That platforms instruction set lasted till the end of quad core era. I'm now looking to grab an i5-13600k
Awesome, I still have the i7 7700k and know I'll upgrade sometime soon, very helpful, thank you
6700k at 4.8ghz still goes extremely hard
I recently upgraded my i5 6600k to a i7 7700. The reason I did so was because I bought an insta360 camera and I was hoping that the 7700 would export video faster. The 7700 does not export any faster, but it does leave 30% overhead so I can do other things while exporting. The 6600k ran at 100% while exporting. The graphics card is a GTX 1660 Super.
I also bought a Lenovo Legion 5i with a 12700H and 3070ti. I was hoping it would export insta360 videos much faster than the 7700, but it is actually about 20% slower while using considerably more power. The Legion 5 is over twice as fast as my 2012 MacBook pro though, and is Much better at editing.
moved my 7700K + GTX 1080 system to an HTPC and it still plays games very well on my old 1080p tv
I'm still rocking the intel i7-7700 in my rig now. Its great for some esports titles but i would go k version but since i have the msi nightblade prebuilt im limited by the 350w power supply
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I might be the only one, but I'd really like to see this chip "the last quad core i7" vs a modern quad core i3, like the 12100. Since the core and thread counts are the same it might be interesting to see the difference over the years
12100 would SMASH it.
This is the second time this channel has shown up in my Google feed. I like the production style. This is one of the easiest benchmarks to watch - most benchmark videos turn into unintelligible, difficult to follow monotonous droning very quickly. This guy's benchmarks are the easiest for me to follow, and I REALLY appreciate that you don't say the exact same sentence set for each game.
Also, I appreciate seeing older hardware tested with modern games. This is much more likely to matter to most people, than the new multiple-hundred dollar CPUs.
Its awesome you can get i7 performance from an i3 now. Honestly everything above an i3 is a luxury now. But like a good gamer, i put the rest of the budget into GPU and storage.
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Loved this cpu! Had the 7700K @ 4.9 ghz and it was an amazing chip.
Intercourse... LOL. Single core IPC is pretty strong with this one. Picked up AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (open box) for the same price as this. Great presentation and Video Iceberg. Merry Christmas to all!
You too!
I own a 7700k and it doesn’t preform much better than this, the heat on this chip when you begin to overclock it causes it to slow down
Delid add liquid metal to the heatsink. Very effective
@@nephron9924 I’ve always been skidish about doing that.
I have a hyper 212 evo and it hits 5ghz sustained and works well but the heat it puts off can warm the 3 bedroom ranch we own lol
Honestly looking back Intel had been stagnant for many years by the point the 7700 released. If back in 2011 you invested in a 2500k or 2600k or in 2012 in a 3rd gen equivalent and a good motherboard that you can overclock with you would have no reason to upgrade to the newer generations 6 years down the line to the 6700 or 7700 k or non k since you can just throw a decent overclock on those and get close enough at the very least to one of the more modern cpu's. It's crazy to think that for 6 whole years we were stuck with quad core CPU's. It feels so stagnant compared to how quickly things are moving nowadays
my 7700k is still serving me well even after being hammered with all core boosts and 24/7 uptime, now living inside of a server while my main PC runs on 12700K.
my i7-7700 on a ASUS Strix Z270E with 2x 8gb 3200@C16 (OC to 3400) holds the 1080p Firestrike record for identical hardware with 1070 Strix SLI (1x 8g oc + 1x 8g flashed with oc bios)
I'm still using my i7-7700 pc paired with a Quadro P2000 and 32GB ram. Still holding on lol
i think 4C 8T is fine for gaming. most games arent designed for more than 8C 16T, and at 1440p you wont really have much bottleneck
you might find a e5-2697v2 an interesting cpu to test, they work on the x79 boards, and if you adjust the base clock you can get them quite a bit faster and the 30mb of cashe seems to do wonders on some loads gaming included.
Got one in my collection and love it.
Aye look, my CPU! Lol...Literally the CPU I have in the PC I am using to watch this video lol.
I still use my i7-6700k on my Z170 board. It's still great. Stable as Gibraltar. No complaints.
When the 2600k launched, an entire generation of Intel users suddenly expected more. And Intel did not deliver.
I used my 2600k until late 2021. I still use it in my hackintosh.
Overclocked to 5.2GHz with a 1070ti, it was still a beast of a system.
Lot of games are good with quad cores, because they don't utilize more. Probably the devs know how the market is still not 6 or more usually. Hypertheading is also in picture. 7th gen is usable today for many people because of it.
Video idea: Testin with hyperthreading off for games that use 4 CPU threads or less, especially on older CPUs. Would love to see that!
1:35 I want this as a repeated soundbite throughout all your videos that will ever describe the wonderful wacky world of CEX despite never being in one ever.
Still goes over $100 while the i3 10100f $70 now
Two weeks ago, I was arguing with some idiot who said that most games nowadays still use 1 to 2 cores. And you'll not gonna need more than 4 cores for at least another decade...
7700 &k aren't hedt, just expensive consumer chips, intel had 6 core cpus even on LGA 1366 in 2010 and had them released on a regular basis for that platform tier (LGA 2011, 2011-3, 2066)
I had this " bank error in your favor" situation yesterday. I've bought 8gb stick of laptop ddr4 for ~12$ and got 16gb worth ~35-40$.
Last year got hd7790 2gb instead of 1gb.
I've still got my Kaby Lake i7 7700 in a Gigabyte Sniper board with 32GB DDR4. It's running Debian now and is still stupidly fast.
i still have my i 7 7700k + gtx 1080ti still works like a charm
You should test the i7 5775C.
Yes! Finally we can see big cache utilasation. Maybe 5th gen was actually more futureproof than Kaby and Coffee Lake.
Some say the eDRAM doesn't help at all and the 5775C is worse than a 4790K. While some other people say the eDRAM helps a lot and the 5775C competes with much newer CPUs.
So yeah, it would be nice to see a video of that
Great video as always Iceberg( the individual of whos name is of no importance.)
How is the cex machine holding up?
Gathering dust once more! I have a video planned for it in January though, featuring some 2013-era upgrades
The 8700k has aged so much better than the 7700k. The thing about these benchmarks is that they assume you do absolutely nothing in the background, opening discord in the background will tank the results in the more intense games. Which is much less of an issue on 6 core processors.
these cpus where extremely powerfull back in the day. i never understood why people bought a ryzen first and sec gen cpu and replaced thair i7 7700k with one of them. i still hvae my 7700k in my system and play everything. my sister has a i7 4790k oced to 5ghz and has no issues
i had been using this exact chip with the RTX 3080 for a good few months before i changed to the 5800X. It was still a competent chip for high resolution gameplays back then.
Classic CEX.
Yeah the price of a 7700 is a bit much given its performance. The 6th gen i7 and i5 are more affordable and the 6 core i5's of 8th and 9th gen make more sense, but I agree they all seem a bit meh compared to a £100 brand new ryzen 5 5500.
Great content, thanks to you and CEX.
Or an i3 12100F, heck even the i3 10100F is cheaper new and gives comparable performance
I got the 7770k on launch, overclock that shit to 5.2ghz @1.375v and it was great. Though earlier last year I decided to finally upgrade my PC and with that, since I was replacing everything else, felt like a good time to get my "Forever CPU" which is now the 5900X. Had I waited a bit, I probably would've gone with the 5800X3D but for now this is great and will probably not think of upgrading anytime soon!
i still use a quad core on my laptop and most games i play still run fine. i can confirm that for whatever reason, Elden Ring hates quad cores. my gpu and cpu utilization can both be between 30-50% and the fps still wont budge above the low 40s
what would you upgrade? i am content with 45-65FPS VRR performance.
Currently have a 3930k and a 4790k for gaming rigs... the i7 has 70% cpu usage on "year 2023" games like need for speed unbound , basically a ps5 port...have not tried the quad core 4790k on newest games but i fear it wont help...
Well, I wouldn't upgrade the 3930K to anything less than an E5-1680 v2. It's the best CPU on the plaform, review here: ruclips.net/video/SB81b8ULZ_Q/видео.html
The 4790K only has one upgrade available, the 5775C. In some titles, this could actually be a downgrade from the CPU you have. Again, review here: ruclips.net/video/pTP4RC4EjDo/видео.html
In truth, my recommendation depends largely on how far you want to go. A Ryzen 5 5600, B550 motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 would cost about $250, will outperform either platform and use less electricity in the process. An i5-12400F + B660 setup would be a little more expensive if you wanted to stick with Team Blue, but has the same advantages. If you don't want the extra hassle & effort of removing and reselling your old components, then I'd stick with the 4790K and upgrade the 3930K to the Xeon.
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But yeah it’s a decent chip for it’s time. I had an i7-6700 before making the switch to AM4 with a 2700X and currently 5600. Best thing about Skylake was the temps. With a little undervolt, and a decent Noctua, you could get these i7’s generally between 15 degrees C and max 60 degrees C. If I remember correctly, Kaby Lake was mostly a slight improvement in the features/media codec department, specifically around H.265, VP9 and the igpu.
If it were up to intel. We'd still be rocking the quad-cores and dual-cores with hyper-threading for mid-range. Ryzen shook the meta a little.
Awesome tests, comparisons and music. Love the video
I am happy AMD made chips with more cores otherwise we would probably still only have quad core i7s. I am running a Ryzen 5 2600 It overclocks really well but my b450 board died when a PSU blew up and I could only afford the cheapest motherboard so I now have a Gigabyte A320 which is holding back my system now I Cant overclock at all and I am having to run my RAM slower as the board wont support it any higher but I cant afford to replace anything as I cant work now due to bad medical news this year also I am happy to see a UK channel doing hardware reviews I can never seem to find any from the UK that I enjoy watching.
nah, higher core processors are naturally going to come as cpu manufacturing goes to higher and higher quality processes
@@rustywastakenwastaken except they didn't, when there is lack of competition there is lack of innovation.
Isnt RGHD from the UK?
And it's a glorified low-end 6c priced at AMD's previous top-end pricing of US$300.
@@Fly_By_Gaming yea that is the only other one I watch and have found does good content
i've still got a 7700k in a cheap build with a 1080ti, pulls more than 60fps in everything i throw at it completely maxed out at 1440p. not bad for a cpu i picked up for £40. got a few 6700k/7700k's i use for budget builds and had no complaints yet
You got to love the time we are living in for silicon chips.
So like, funny thing is that a lot of older cpu's are able to be useful for so much. Though the higher end of the gaming market can be very taxing, less time sensitive and less intense tasks are still handled well enough by sandy bridge.
I mean, here in the west we're extremely privileged to basically be on top of the world. The USA probably has the most wealth and general control of resources so these high end computer parts can really thrive here.
However, with sandy bridge still being useful I think they are still acceptable in the USA and they're even desirable to a lot of the world. Too bad that charity is outright unamerican. Reusing things or giving things to people competes too much with the "free market" and people who want to sell things.
Personally I'm glad that China has a good recycling scheme for reusing the chipsets of old motherboards and making new motherboards with them.
Still rocking my 7700k, didn't feel like it was lacking on my 1070ti but now that I recently upgraded to a 3060ti I can really feel it struggling. Its come to the end of its life unfortunately but was a beast for the past 4yrs
I went with an 8700K back in 2018. Still a very strong CPU, although Cyberpunk brings it to its limits. I don't see the need to upgrade to a 9900K anytime soon.
I'm still using it's older brother, the 6700 .Performance is basically the same and it fares well with my RTX 2060 though newer titles might be an issue. It's crazy to think I bought this CPU almost 7 years ago and to say the least it served me well. I'm currently looking to build a new PC this time I think imma go with the i5 12600k or 13600k
The new i5s are the way to go. The price to performance is really good. Im looking to upgrade to one myself.
Hello me from the past, I ended up buying a laptop with an i5 12500h and an rtx 4060. Not what I thought would happen but I'm happy with it
I’m here still using a i7-7700 as my daily driver. It is actually really good and runs all my games at 60+ fps with a rtx 3060 ti and 32gb of ram
I have the same cpu too. I am planing to buy a rtx 3060 or ti but I am wondering that is there a bottleneck in your system while playing battlefield or other recent games?
@@byrabdullah Not that I can tell, almost all games are 60 or plus fps on high settings (ultra depending on the game can bring it down to 40)
Ryzen 3 3300X is the GOAT of QUAD Core processors. It was my dream rig and used it for 3 good years, the value is just 👌 perfect
Still have an i7 7700k. Runs just fine with a RTX 3080ti. 🎉
6:48 PAL FOR LIFE BABY!
I want to see this channel at 20k subs before the end of this year
7:00 oh, an i5-9600 review? i'd be happy to see that since it was the CPU on my first gaming system and i still have it and an old 1151 motherboard
I knew I wouldn’t want to miss this one and I was right. 1:32 “intercourse” lol, I wonder who that could be? 😂
What's the song during the benchmarking part of this video?
I upgraded my 6700k to a 9900k on the same Z170 motherboard (with modding), thus reaching comparable results with the ryzen 3700x/3800x back in the day. Long live my 1151 computer
Finally realistic benchmarks! ;-)
Spider-Man remastered does seem playable even with the occasional long load times
Almost went Intel at the time. With a H110 or H170 motherboard i could have kept my DDR3 Sticks. But went Ryzen 1700x with DDR4 ECC.
I have this i7 7700 cpu in my daugters pink pc build with a rx 480 4gb..and built myself an i3 12100f with rx 6600xt..she's happy and I'm much happier
Redo the benchmark with a 5700/6700 XT. It has to be an AMD GPU, since NVIDIA has problems with cpu overhead and therefore with old cpus.
What music did you use for the benchmarks
It is not a bad CPU but it has a very bad used market pricing and therefore makes it very unbuyable when having access to very cheap 6 core modern CPUs more capable of modern multi tasking.
My console childhood felt that Pal for life
I've got an i3-7450k in an ITX system and would love a 7700k as an upgrade.
This really speaks to how well optimised these modern pc games are. No potato pc left behind.
Your videos are just awesome.
I think its remarkable how much faster the CPU market has been progressing the last 6 years compared to the 6 years before that
Not sure if anyone else noticed but he got the spiderman rt/non rt footage the wrong way around
I got the i7 7700K a few days ago to replace my i5 6600 and it was worth it. I wouldn't buy the i7 brand new back in the day, but for an 2015 PC it is a nice upgrade in 2024.
I had a FX-8370 & Athlon X4 860K back then, good times. :3
Last week I helped a dude upgrade his mobo, CPU and GPU. I was generous and gave him a 650 watt gold PSU and sata SSD I had lying around. He gave me his old 1060, mobo, and 7700. I still have my old delid tool. Things gonna be under liquid metal soon because why not?
The i5--2500k is a serious underdog, when I would tell gamer friends I opted for i5, they laughed and chuckled because they had i7. My chip was bought brand new in 2012 and was retired in 2020 after 8 years of 4.5ghz oc and gaming. It saw through 3 GPU upgrades, GTX560ti, GTX770 and a GTX Titan. It was retired in favour of Ryzen 7 2700 and RTX2060 and sits waiting to go back into a storage server I am planning.
I bought a premade for my desk PC quite a few years back. Turns out it has the i7700 in it.
Spiderman looks amazing. Why do people value FPS when a game can look and play beautifully without hitting 300FPS.
This and any of the quad i7s only really make sense to buy if you currently have a same generation i3/i5 CPU as a drop in upgrade.
I have the core i7-6700 i use for gaming on the daily. works great!!
It made Intel Kaby Lake look even more underwhelming when LinusTechTips was benchmarking CPUs using 4K games. The problem was that 4K was the hype of the gaming world and it was used for benchmarks, apparently nobody understood that it always made the GPU the limiting factor and all CPUs delivered identical results. Whoops!
Sad you stopped joking about them weird civ players needing them precious seconds.............................
great video as always tho, keep up the good work
It’s not the end at all. I still rock an i5-6700k, an i7-7700, and my main gaming rig is an i9-9900.
I use my i7-7700 system the most.
Do you reccommend me getting a medion p20 with a rtx 3060 12400f and 16gb RAM? For 999€
no
Depends, if you dont want do build it yourself, ig. But if you build it yourself it will be much cheaper. (Depends on where you live of course)
@@catf1shed506 building is just better, but my parents dont trust me and they're buying the parts
I get that. My mom bought a £1000 PC for me and my sister to share when we were kids. I found out how to upgrade the RAM, and in the process of doing so managed to disable the sound card. I fixed it eventually, but Mom wasn’t impressed!
To answer your question, those specs look like a reasonable match for each other. If you can’t get something with an RX 6650 XT or or similar for the same price, I’d say go for it. One thing, if you want to try your hand at video editing or streaming, see if you can get the non-F version of the i5.
OH! And if it’s an 8GB 3060 I’d avoid it on principal.
@@IcebergTech so its actually the non-f version and in Italy AMD cards are rare in prebuilts so, i guess thats the best PC for the price of 1k