Are Quad Cores Extinct?

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024

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  • @Dingbat1967
    @Dingbat1967 10 месяцев назад +320

    Seems the 4C/8T CPUs are still relevant. You should add the i3-12100F to the lot as a comparison. It actually compares very favorably to the 6 core CPUs

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 10 месяцев назад +39

      Yeah, this entire testing is flawed, if it's just about the core count then he should've used CPUs from the same generation or at least set the same clocks. Of course newer CPUs are going to perform better. Even newer CPUs with the same core count is going to perform better.

    • @ishiddddd4783
      @ishiddddd4783 10 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@flushfireNot really flawed tho, he specifically mentions how those cpus perform, and since it comes down to each game, the results will change a lot, especially when coffee lake its still is lga1151.
      If these cpus perform well, then its a given a current quad core like the 12100f will perform better when it even the 8700k in MT.

    • @skemmy215
      @skemmy215 10 месяцев назад

      I have that one!

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@flushfireI would rather say imcomplete at most.

    • @aerohk
      @aerohk 10 месяцев назад +12

      12100F would murder some 6c cpu

  • @SpookySkeletonGang
    @SpookySkeletonGang 10 месяцев назад +152

    For CPU productivity benchmarks, I'd recommend compiling code (chromium is a popular choice but I wouldn't mind seeing something new), compressing/decompressing files, calculating pi (to a specific digit), etc. I mean what you tested with also works, what you're benchmarking just needs to be consistent so results are comparable and you've done that.

    • @ristekostadinov2820
      @ristekostadinov2820 10 месяцев назад +3

      isn't high amount of ram the most important thing for compiling, CPUs are quite powerful in I/O operations memory speed is the bottle neck (most of the time)

    • @dat_21
      @dat_21 10 месяцев назад +13

      @@ristekostadinov2820 RAM is important for linkage. Compilation is mostly CPU bound, although faster SSD helps.

    • @JBrinx18
      @JBrinx18 10 месяцев назад +6

      Using large equations on word back to back to back is actually a pretty good single core test. Tends to take about a minute on a 7th gen quad core

    • @giserson2
      @giserson2 10 месяцев назад +4

      IIRC GamersNexus said that chromium compile ended up scaling 1:1 with cache size making it a pretty pointless benchmark.

    • @Voidkitty_
      @Voidkitty_ 10 месяцев назад +1

      I second this

  • @IcebergTech
    @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад +81

    I kinda added the notes about the RX 6600's bandwidth limitations at the last minute because it didn't occur to me earlier, but it's something I might have to dig further into in the future. It was being tested on the highest performing CPU of the four, and it lost performance in CS2 and Fortnite - two games not exactly know for being perfectly optimised, so it's possible that I just got unlucky with those benchmarks.
    Oh, and FWIW:
    Cinebench R23:
    i7 6700K 1130 / 6042
    R3 3100 1202 / 6792
    i7 8700K 1318 / 9448
    R5 5600X 1552 / 11139
    Time Spy CPU score:
    R3 3100 5366
    i7 6700K 5765
    R5 5600X 8482
    i7 8700K 8587

    • @fahianhaque4413
      @fahianhaque4413 10 месяцев назад +1

      More things to look forward too.
      Great content overall

    • @prixivus85
      @prixivus85 10 месяцев назад +1

      What I really need to know: Does pcie x3 absolute dogwater now?

    • @IcebergTech
      @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад +3

      @@prixivus85 Gen 3? No, it's fine. I wouldn't buy an x4 card for a Gen 3 board, but x16 cards should be fine on Gen 3.

    • @Hjominbonrun
      @Hjominbonrun 10 месяцев назад +1

      But you have a 6900XT.
      Would be awesome to see if those old CPU's would be fine with that behemoth.

    • @waynetuttle6872
      @waynetuttle6872 10 месяцев назад +1

      Btw, love the content. Also, what are you doing wrong? Everyone else is getting about 30% better performance out of both of those ryzen chips. It is weirdly deadlined at 30% more frame rate with both the 3100 and 6100 with almost identical hardware. Kinda makes me wonder if you accidentally hobbled the ram in single channel or something

  • @DualPerformance
    @DualPerformance 10 месяцев назад +55

    Right in the feels, my I7 3770 is still in my main gaming rig, 4 cores 8 threads

    • @NikosM112
      @NikosM112 10 месяцев назад +6

      the 8 threads is helping you the most.

    • @smilingpolitely12345
      @smilingpolitely12345 10 месяцев назад +5

      OH buddy I am shame to admit I have i5 2500 , 2018 I had great idea I will upgrate PC when CP 2077 will came out as that was year when CDPR annouced it , and mix of covid & crypto crap scraped my plan , my mobo after bios upgrate can run i7 3770k , and I have considered to do that , but price of purchease is just not wort it .
      i7 3770k + 16gb ram 1600mhz + past + alcohol = 140$ and that cpu get 6.463p ... meanwhile
      Ryzen 5 4500 + 16gb ddr4 3200mhz + mobo = 200$ and that cpu get 16.221p , and have 6 cores 12 threads , so that is very cheap upgrate , and mobo also support Ryzen 7 7800x3d, and have 4 ram slots = in future I can make easy future upgrate , so shame to say 1155 platform is jurassic .

    • @88meatwad
      @88meatwad 10 месяцев назад +6

      still using a i7 3770K with a GTX 1070 Ti and 32GB of RAM.
      I'm not upgrading until windows 10 looses all support lol

    • @VaginaDestroyer69
      @VaginaDestroyer69 10 месяцев назад

      @@88meatwad
      Only thing halfway modern in that system is the 32GB RAM lmao.

    • @billybatts8283
      @billybatts8283 10 месяцев назад +6

      i7 3770k, 16gb, 1660 super at 1440p and still enjoying life.

  • @_n8thagr8_63
    @_n8thagr8_63 10 месяцев назад +26

    Brings back good memories. My first CPU was a 7700k paired with a 1070. Plenty of good years with that duo

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 10 месяцев назад +10

      I had a 6700K + GTX 1080. Finally upgraded this year to a 7950X3D + RTX 4090!!!

    • @_n8thagr8_63
      @_n8thagr8_63 10 месяцев назад +9

      @@nossy232323 Very big upgrade indeed. Congrats. I went for a bit of a tamer path lol. got a 4080 and my buddy sold me his 12700k for 150. Very happy with my setup

    • @2400Baud
      @2400Baud 10 месяцев назад +4

      I went from an Pentium 4 with a GeForce 6800 I built in 2004 to a i7-6700K with a GTX970 in 2015. What an upgrade that was lol. Still have that P4 nearly twenty years later, and the 6700K continues to pull it’s weight at work.

    • @nossy232323
      @nossy232323 10 месяцев назад

      @@_n8thagr8_63 I can imagine! That's still a pretty solid upgrade. I'm using my system now with that Asus 1440P 240 refresh OLED. That way I can keep my setup longer by not going 4K and in the meanwhile I have the pleasure of a high refresh rate low lag screen.

    • @GregoryShtevensh
      @GregoryShtevensh 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@_n8thagr8_63 awesome setup! I use the same GPU paired to a 7800x3d at 1440p.
      Yeah the 4080 is not an average card at all. If it wasn't for the 4090, I think we'd all be pretty impressed with 25%+3090ti performance for 3080ti pricing.
      Obviously the 12700k is more than enough to enjoy the 4080 too

  • @williamheard8496
    @williamheard8496 10 месяцев назад +9

    I ran a 6700k / 1070 for nearly 7 years, 2016-2023. I was running nearly everything at max settings, 100ish FPS for the first 3 or 4. You don't need to upgrade regularly, if when you do upgrade you future proof.
    I finally went for it this May, got a 13700k and a used 6800xt. Very happy with what I got for my dollar

  • @TheGameBench
    @TheGameBench 10 месяцев назад +13

    There are a metric TON of games that run just fine on a quad core, even newer games and a lot of esports titles. But yeah... expecting them to play most modern AAA titles smoothly is a bit much to expect in 2023, but the 6700K did a lot better than I expected it to. Crazy though, I was about to say something when you said "on the same socket." I had no idea there was a mod to run Coffee Lake on Z2xx chipsets. That's pretty awesome.

    • @Trick-Framed
      @Trick-Framed 10 месяцев назад

      It's not just Z270, Coffee Time runs on Z170 as well. You can slap a 9900k in a Z170 with good VRMs.

    • @mrljgibson
      @mrljgibson 10 месяцев назад

      Depends on the AAA title, many free ones I tried of Epic work ridiculously well on AM4 5000 series architecture anyway.

    • @clack1
      @clack1 9 месяцев назад

      There are hardly any '''''AAA'''''' slop games that are worth upgrading an entire platform over. If you're fine on a 6700k, don't upgrade your PC over a shitty game like Cyberpunk 2077 with virtually no replay value. It's only these AAA games that are requiring this much, just like how back then when AM3+ was all AMD had, many developers had used intel compilers and many games need just a strong single core which intel always delivered on vs AMD's MOAR CORES.

  • @DiamondDepthYT
    @DiamondDepthYT 10 месяцев назад +12

    Ran a 4790k until recently. Now it's in my brother's rig. Still powerful enough for any game he plays at 1080p

    • @KenjiUmino
      @KenjiUmino 6 месяцев назад +1

      running a 4790-non-k right now with a RX 5700XT on a 1080p monitor and don't really feel like I "need" an upgrade ...
      the cpu might be holding back the GPU a little bit but the monitor can't do more than 60fps anyways and I don't play competitive online multiplayer games infested with tryhards and cheaters ... so I rather bump up the graphics settings to keep the GPU from getting bored ;)

  • @erikbritz8095
    @erikbritz8095 10 месяцев назад +83

    *i3 13100 really should be reviewed to add to this quad core discussion as i know that cpu competes with the Ryzen 5 5600/5600x in many titles*

    • @couriersix2443
      @couriersix2443 10 месяцев назад +5

      In games that don’t scale with core/thread counts, it does indeed compete quite well and serves as a solid budget gaming chip. Naturally it’s the fastest quad-core ever made (if you don’t count taking a 13900K/KS & disabling all cores except for 4 P cores 😅), but the age of the quad-core (even with HT/MT) has been coming to an end for a while now; many games are now beginning to be optimized primarily for 8c/16t due to the custom Zen 2 8-core CPUs found in current gen consoles. That being said, 6c/12t chips like the 5600/X or 12400/F (or even 7500F & 7600/X) can all still provide a strong balance between gaming performance & productivity capability. I personally own a 5600 running a 4.8Ghz OC, and it’s been a fantastic chip for just over $100. Pairs very well with my 3060ti (also OC’ed to around 2175Mhz on the core clock) & 32GB (16GB x 2) 3200Mhz CL14. However due to the ever-increasing demands for modern games (looking at you, Starfield), I’m looking into getting a 12700K/12900K & Z790 depending on local prices a few months from now

    • @erikbritz8095
      @erikbritz8095 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@couriersix2443 im waiting till the next gen of chips before even moving to newer cpus etc. Same with gpu cause ill get a boost of performance but not enough, alby the i3 13100 will be cool in comparison to older 6 cores like a i7 8700k and i7 5820k aswell as the Ryzen 5 3600/2600x so im hoping we see that on icerbergs channel.

    • @couriersix2443
      @couriersix2443 10 месяцев назад

      @@erikbritz8095 yeah I get that, it seems both AMD and Intel have “somewhat” hit an IPC wall with current gen; for Intel the IPC gains from 12th to 14th gen is less than 20% unless you push very very high clocks (such as over 6Ghz) or pair them with very fast DDR5 (7000Mhz or higher, with low CAS latency). Same with Zen 4 vs Zen 3, but anything older than Zen 3 (such as Zen+ or Zen 2) sees considerable improvement by comparison. In my case I was running a 2600 at 4.1Ghz all-core and even when I first upgraded to the 5600 running it at stock speeds, it was a pretty big leap overall. Tbh I really only want a 12700K or better for the extra cores; I’ve also been interested in tinkering with E cores since 12th gen was released. I think it was a smart move on Intel’s part to introduce the E cores since they offload system processes from the P cores, so they can be completely dedicated to intensive workloads (just wish they’d finally make an i3 for desktop that has some, like maybe a 4P + 4E config or something). But having at least 8 P cores will yield better gaming performance in games like Cyberpunk where I’m currently seeing 100% utilization out of my OC’ed 5600 at 1080p/high native res (or 1440p/high using DLSS quality)

    • @appsaucetech
      @appsaucetech 10 месяцев назад +1

      Too expensive if you compare it to something like a 5600. Plus needing a new mobo, am4 is way cheaper

    • @GregoryShtevensh
      @GregoryShtevensh 10 месяцев назад +1

      In the same way a 5600x keeps up with a 5900x in most games

  • @joekoch8485
    @joekoch8485 10 месяцев назад +7

    It’s great to see that quad cores, while a little long in the tooth, may still be usable for a bit longer. I also liked the comparison with the 6 core chips. Great video good sir!

  • @Weyzar
    @Weyzar 10 месяцев назад +19

    My i5-6600 is still serving me well after upgrading from an i3-6100,
    Although both cpus are already more than enough to drive my GT 1030 (GDDR5) hahaha.
    But yeah, both cpus are really showing their age tho. The i5 still got some horsepower left for maybe a friend group game server setup and stuff. Who knows :))

    • @dieseIboy
      @dieseIboy 10 месяцев назад +3

      same same dude. upgrading it seems will be happening sooner than later.

  • @stefensmith9522
    @stefensmith9522 10 месяцев назад +40

    The 5700xt is a gem that is severely overlooked in the used market. Close to 1080ti performance and can be had for just over $100 and if amd gets their driver based fluid motion figured out that'll inject a lot more life into a very budget system

    • @silver1407
      @silver1407 9 месяцев назад +1

      I've always felt that the 1080ti was worth the extra 10-15% in cost just to have an Nvidia card and the better performance, not to mention the vram ;)

    • @HenrySomeone
      @HenrySomeone 8 месяцев назад +2

      Ehhh, it craps itself in the latest titles like Alan Wake 2, not even being able to maintain 30 fps at 1080p LOW (which is just embarrassing to be honest).

    • @kamerad_marzuki3631
      @kamerad_marzuki3631 7 месяцев назад

      @@HenrySomeone Because of the mesh shaders, lowly RX 6500 can handle Alan Wake 2 better than GTX 1080 TI

    • @christianmino3753
      @christianmino3753 7 месяцев назад

      "Just to have an Nvidia card" Is literally one of the most stupid brainwashed statements one could ever make. What the fuck does having "Nvidia" in front of the name of your card do for you? The VRAM Is almost never going to be utilized anyway with the power those cards have anyway, but that's the only argument that exists for the 1080ti vs the 5700XT, and it's more like 50-100% increase in cost because you can get the 5700XT for around $100 and the 1080ti for around $200, and the cheapest single blower model for $175 and it was like this at the time of your comment too so you make no sense. @@silver1407

    • @christianmino3753
      @christianmino3753 7 месяцев назад

      the card is like ten years old. Lucky it can even still keep up today.@@HenrySomeone

  • @Obie327
    @Obie327 10 месяцев назад +7

    The 4 core 8 threaded CPU's seem to hold up ok. I think anything Haswell i7 or Zen + or up will get the job done. (- Heavy Ray tracing) Thanks for the excellent comparison Iceberg!

    • @niezzayt3809
      @niezzayt3809 10 месяцев назад +6

      Wait until you see the traditional 4C8T Core i3 13th Gen can still push RTX 4090 to 99% GPU usage , in 1080p

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@niezzayt3809It's impossible for the majority of games, you would need an i9-13900K.

  • @mdd1963
    @mdd1963 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just ordered a little miniPC with 16 GB of RAM, 500 GB NVME SSD, and Win11 Pro...for $159 total. It feels pretty snappy with Win11, despite it's 4c/4t Celeron N5105 CPU topping out at 2.8 GHz or so. I have it connected to a large TV in living room, so it's duties are surfing, watching streaming movies, etc., and I am quite satisfied with it.

    • @Trick-Framed
      @Trick-Framed 10 месяцев назад

      Amazon for $169 right? Tried to get my hands on one before they sold out. They looked like the perfect HTPC start.

    • @mdd1963
      @mdd1963 10 месяцев назад

      Got mine for $159 the last week or so in Sept, it arrived on my birthday a few days back...; completely satisfied with it!@@Trick-Framed

  • @justincase2312
    @justincase2312 10 месяцев назад +6

    Disabling the Spectre / Meltdown mitigations would give you a bit of extra performance on the old intel CPUs. As would replacing the toothpaste under the IHS with liquid metal.
    Would love to see a video on the cofee lake bios mod and how the old Z170 boards handle a 9900K for example.

    • @HenrySomeone
      @HenrySomeone 8 месяцев назад

      Bingo! Dellided and fully OCed 6700k on one of the later Z270 boards that can handle some serious speed ddr4 still competes neck and neck with the likes of 5600x in all the titles that aren't very thread heavy (in those it simply starts lacking in multi thread performance though obviously).

    • @RalstigRacing
      @RalstigRacing 7 месяцев назад

      How can you disable the mitigations?

    • @FalseOracle617
      @FalseOracle617 7 месяцев назад

      Is it worth it when the 5600x can be found for under $150 and comes with a cooler? AM4 boards have never been cheaper. @@HenrySomeone

  • @MiRoKi1000
    @MiRoKi1000 10 месяцев назад +13

    Great job on the video. If possible, would you be interested in making a follow up performance comparison of 4 core 8 thread cpus vs 4 core 4 thread cpus? I'd like to see how much the extra threads help the quad core cpus to extract all its juce.

    • @mrljgibson
      @mrljgibson 10 месяцев назад

      Again, depends on the programs load, as it can only take advantage of the extra threads if the tasks are light enough not to use the core time entirely anyway.
      So it will be the usual suspects in gaming, lots of shorter processor commands get the highest advantage.

  • @andersenpeters
    @andersenpeters 10 месяцев назад +13

    File compression benchmarks seem like a more useful and realistic productivity focused benchmark for CPUs.

    • @KenjiUmino
      @KenjiUmino 6 месяцев назад +1

      time xz --threads=8 some-random-disk.img
      another compression algorithm could also be used instead of xz ... gzip or whatever - I just use xz to shrink HDD images of my old computers before I put them on the NAS as backup

  • @disadadi8958
    @disadadi8958 10 месяцев назад +18

    I replaced my 7700k in last january or so. No regrets. It was a hot chip that I had to delid to even make work somehow, but it still lasted me over 5 years. Once I replaced my 3060ti with a 4080 I knew I had to upgrade the CPU too.

    • @hsko8007
      @hsko8007 10 месяцев назад +2

      is it that hot though? it's rated at 91W which isn't a lot

    • @disadadi8958
      @disadadi8958 10 месяцев назад

      @@hsko8007 But the thermal paste under the ihs was of poor quality.
      My chip was pretty good, I could get 5.3Ghz across all cores @1.35V on air (NH-D15)
      You can find a lot of articles about hot kaby lake chips, they were notorious for high thermals even under the best of coolers because of the thermal compound under the ihs.
      Before delidding it was 85-90C at 4.5GHz which was the boost clock out of the box. I had even mild undervolt of -15mV which was still stable. (This was with a 240mm aio)

    • @Trick-Framed
      @Trick-Framed 10 месяцев назад

      @@hsko8007 If you overclock it, yes. A Delid and a 5.2ghz OC will raise the wattage used significantly.

  • @Trick-Framed
    @Trick-Framed 10 месяцев назад +1

    Fun, thorough video. Can't wait for more.

  • @dianaalyssa8726
    @dianaalyssa8726 10 месяцев назад +2

    Still have an old quad core skylake here. Am impressed given the range of quadcores how well they ran.

  • @inigomartinezrubio
    @inigomartinezrubio 10 месяцев назад +3

    As a productivity benchmark you could test file compression since it uses the CPU heavily

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 10 месяцев назад +17

    My cousin went from a 1800X to a 5800 X3D on the same motherboard. What an amazing upgrade on a single platform. Imagine if Intel could do the same thing. Thank God for AMD.

    • @white_mage
      @white_mage 10 месяцев назад +3

      they did long ago with the 775 socket. one could go from a single core celeron at 1.6ghz to a 4 core core2extreme with 8gb of ram in 2008.

    • @GregoryShtevensh
      @GregoryShtevensh 10 месяцев назад

      AM4 is a bit of an outlier. Hopefully AM5 follows this but who knows if it will be quite as long-lived.
      I have the 7800x3d now and gave my AM4 board and 5600x to my wife and built a rig for her.
      I nearly went 5800x3d, but actually wanted to be able to upgrade later as well as build my Wife a rig.
      But, back in the day I wasn't so lucky. I had the FM2 platform with a 5600k APU at the time, and was never really offered a good upgrade path. FM2 was dead in the water before it even made a splash.
      And AM3 had barely anything worthy of mention outside of budget options

    • @AliceC993
      @AliceC993 10 месяцев назад

      @@white_mage It's important to note in regards to LGA 775 that while it did have an unusually long life for an Intel socket, there's two definitive eras - the latter half of the Pentium 4s, and the Core 2s. Most often, a motherboard that can run one won't be able to run the other.

    • @white_mage
      @white_mage 10 месяцев назад

      @@AliceC993 i see. well, i was an am2 user at the time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @mrljgibson
      @mrljgibson 10 месяцев назад

      @@white_mage I know, I have the Q6600 Core 2 Quad, still not as big a performance jump as 1 and 2 thousand series AMD to 5000 series.

  • @dionysus6081
    @dionysus6081 10 месяцев назад +2

    I have a 4 core i7 7820hq laptop, the thing runs beautifully with everything i put this laptop through.

  • @dimitardimitrov1323
    @dimitardimitrov1323 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great content, realistic benchmarks, very very good narrative and awesome backing music tracks!!Dude I can honestly say that your content is light-years better from a lot of "big" RUclips names!Wish you good luck and most importantly have fun with what you're doing,cause we can clearly see that you love what you're doing 🙂👍

  • @Azureskies01
    @Azureskies01 10 месяцев назад +27

    With a 4 core today you would still want an AMD card as they have less driver overhead than all nvidia cards. Sure you don't get DLSS but if you want to max out your CPU for a few more years AMD is the way to go.

    • @peterpan408
      @peterpan408 10 месяцев назад

      You need to buy an extra core or two to run NVidia..
      When will NVidia implement a hardware scheduler?!

    • @bansheezs
      @bansheezs 10 месяцев назад

      fsr 3 > dlss

    • @ohorta1534
      @ohorta1534 10 месяцев назад +1

      went from a 1050ti to a rx5700 (bought used for less than 200USD). The AMD card is surprisingly cold and silent. Even colder than the 1050ti.

    • @Azureskies01
      @Azureskies01 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@bansheezs Fake frame tech is useless no matter if it is fsr3 or dlss3.

  • @MW-cs8zd
    @MW-cs8zd 10 месяцев назад +8

    I run a optiplex with a 6600 and 8gb of ram and 500gb of storage. It replaced my Nvidia shield TV box and I've never been happier. The thing didn't like with my shield was having to side load everything. Chrome for example. I felt a search engine, better than the one they offered, should have been standard out of the box. I loved my shield but the proprietary elements really turned me off over time. So I have an additional 16gb of ram coming, 8dollars on eBay, and paired with my wireless controller the new optiplex will be ready for a little gaming. The i5 6600 is perfect in this specific use case. Final price... 35 for the optiplex, 8 bucks 16 gb ram. Wireless controller 15 bucks. Sorry Nvidia Shield

    • @TheBcoolGuy
      @TheBcoolGuy 10 месяцев назад +2

      What's the GPU?

    • @MW-cs8zd
      @MW-cs8zd 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheBcoolGuy No GPU. Just onboard graphics and an optimized CPU. Intel optimization software kicks ass. This i5 6600 is doing the job just fine by itself. Runs at steady 3.8ghz and doesn't blink an eye at 1440p. It just works. I totally got lucky and I really didn't expect it to work as well as it does. But it does. I'm watching a Danny Elfman concert rn in RUclips in 1440p and it looks and sounds amazing.

  • @JoseLgamer05
    @JoseLgamer05 10 месяцев назад +2

    Watching this on an 8 core 16 thread (45w) laptop, I see this as an absolute win.

    • @peterpan408
      @peterpan408 10 месяцев назад

      That's not many Watts per thread..
      What's that clock speed? 2GHz 😏

    • @JoseLgamer05
      @JoseLgamer05 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@peterpan408 3.2 ghz base, boosts up to 4.4 ghz, zen 3 (and later) efficiency is quite remarkable

  • @mrljgibson
    @mrljgibson 10 месяцев назад +2

    I have 4 quad core systems including a Q6600 up to a 3200G, yes I bought a 6 core 12 thread 5000 series AM4 and slapped in a B550 board with 32GB of 3600, but only as I was in California.
    The generational jump was probably more effective than any increase in cores.

  • @jforce321
    @jforce321 10 месяцев назад +2

    that 100/200 series mod is only gonna work well on high end boards. You have to remember that those boards were only designed with 4c/8t chips in mind so only overkill vrm boards have the headroom to work with em.

    • @Trick-Framed
      @Trick-Framed 10 месяцев назад

      Yep. I have an Asus Z170 Deluxe that has the VRMs to handle a 9900k. But few of the boards from these gens did.

  • @burrfoottopknot
    @burrfoottopknot 10 месяцев назад +2

    I like that you put the full stats for MSI afterburner in top left? and show utilised RAM not just allocated and the other information in detail, this helps a great deal ty

    • @IcebergTech
      @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад +2

      I've being doing that for a while, but I never labelled it before so I think some people were confused as to why RAM allocation appeared twice!

  • @mateuszc70
    @mateuszc70 10 месяцев назад +4

    It would be interesting to compare also i3-13100 and soon i3-14100

    • @nepnep6894
      @nepnep6894 10 месяцев назад

      The 12100/f is the better option right now since you can get a cheaper b760m ddr5 bclk gen board now. Alderlake refresh patched out the trick used for locked sku overclocking. For the US it's a very compelling option right now. The B760M PG riptide is $120-130 usually and has the bclk generator, and you can get 32GB of jedec Hynix for about $73 that can be OCed to 6800-7200 cl34. Locked ADL skus seem to overclock around 5-5.3ghz all core usually.

  • @Ale-ch7xx
    @Ale-ch7xx 10 месяцев назад +8

    Pair with Nvidia.... Nvidia Driver overhead on an old processor.

  • @emircosic7860
    @emircosic7860 10 месяцев назад

    One of the most useful videos out there for second hand PC parts that can be bought online

  • @nkozi
    @nkozi 10 месяцев назад +1

    I find it admirable that you admit to watching HBU but still went with an AMD card for yourself considering how firmly on team Green those two are

  • @lowpcradzimeg
    @lowpcradzimeg 10 месяцев назад

    Huge amount of information packed into a, well.. relatively, very short video. Great stuff!

    • @IcebergTech
      @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад +1

      Hey, I was talking as fast as I could, gimme a break 😜

    • @lowpcradzimeg
      @lowpcradzimeg 10 месяцев назад

      @@IcebergTech but that's what I'm here for!

  • @nevernicemeadow
    @nevernicemeadow 4 месяца назад

    still dont know why zour channel doesnt blow up. tenicalltt well deep, excelent reasearch, tinkering and presentation

  • @alilokhd4638
    @alilokhd4638 10 месяцев назад +4

    I7 8700k vs i3 12100 in 2023 !??

    • @IcebergTech
      @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад +4

      Not yet, but one day!

  • @brokenshoe1775
    @brokenshoe1775 10 месяцев назад +4

    I was using a 3100 until the start of this year on a b350 board and I only upgraded due to a GPU upgrade so it made sense at the time to get the most from my GPU but honestly for most use cases it'll surprise people and I think if you can get your hands on a 3300x used you're in even better shape

    • @vsm351
      @vsm351 10 месяцев назад +1

      The 3100 is my very first processor. Bought in 2020 and it's still going strong. Considering these were AMD's unicorn chips, I'll hold on to it until the day it dies.

  • @schifferu
    @schifferu 10 месяцев назад +1

    Had the Ryzen 3 3100 paired with a GTX 1660 SUPER and it did pretty well (needing some changes in settings in certain games). It sure is a good staple cpu when youre in the process of saving up to upgrade, if you find it for cheap

  • @asbani07
    @asbani07 10 месяцев назад

    Video production is damn good, i'm actually also building a budget pc with ryzen 3 3100 so this came at a perfect time, thanks you!

  • @DarkRooster112
    @DarkRooster112 10 месяцев назад +2

    I mean I was using a i5-7500 up until 2023 when I upgraded, it lasted me well :)

  • @MasticinaAkicta
    @MasticinaAkicta 10 месяцев назад +6

    I see more and more budget laptops with 4 cores or some kind of weird combo of 1 P core and 4 E cores. Which effectively means more then 4 cores.
    It is good we are reaching the end of the 1 or 2 cores. Even low budget laptops might just get enough CPU power to keep on plodging along.
    Even AMD seems to be moving away from the 2 core 4 threads design on their lowest of chips. The last ones they designed are a few years old.

  • @XiaOmegaX
    @XiaOmegaX 10 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite build right now to game on is an i5-6500 paired with an A2000 6gb in an SFF case. I have a 7800X3D and 4080, for reference.
    Other fun builds: i5-8500 + 4060LP, i5-11400 + RX6400 (weird one, mostly for avx512 emulators + hard focus on linux gaming)

  • @berserker9689
    @berserker9689 10 месяцев назад

    even though i already got some nice parts, i still love watching budget pc build channels such as yourself

  • @reblitgaming
    @reblitgaming 10 месяцев назад +2

    Mine 7600k struggling with rx5700xt red devil. CPU always on the max and GPU bounces from 57% - 94% depends on the game and settings. Running 1080p.

  • @boy-who-likes-bats
    @boy-who-likes-bats 10 месяцев назад

    very glad you added productivity

  • @andystech101
    @andystech101 10 месяцев назад

    Mate I looked at the title and thought wtf is Jurassic lake I missed that one 🤣 been a long day...

  • @federalcheesegrater556
    @federalcheesegrater556 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'd love to see how the Ryzen 3 3300x compares to those chips nowadays. Sadly I can't seem to find any source for one...

  • @thorium9190
    @thorium9190 4 месяца назад

    Overclocked my i7-6700K to 4.8Ghz at 1.35V and that was a super speedy processor. Still is!

  • @skylarabsher73
    @skylarabsher73 7 месяцев назад

    I'm still rocking a I7-4790K and a GTX 1080 TI, CPU may be old but its still rocking it and will play anything I throw at it.

  • @Avh._.
    @Avh._. 10 месяцев назад +3

    dual core 💪🏽

    • @Vfl666
      @Vfl666 10 месяцев назад

      rip

  • @putalittlemore
    @putalittlemore 10 месяцев назад +1

    ... had gone from Pentium G4400 on my lowly H110 chipset to i3 9100f earlier this year with the coffeetime mod that you mentioned ... initially, it felt somewhat smooth until later this year when the stutters appeared ... and now, after the "appropriate" bios mod, drop in the QTJ2 mutant, an i5 10400 analogue, with its 6 core and 12 thread ... a new lease of life for this cheap motherboard Biostar H110MHV3 ... lol

    • @DanielGT_93
      @DanielGT_93 10 месяцев назад +1

      I used an QQLS, 9900HK with an Z170 for years. it was great

  • @rotmistrzjanm8776
    @rotmistrzjanm8776 10 месяцев назад

    13:30 you are kinda right. Generally you are correct but theoreticaly quality of CPUs render was higher than GPU one but that was more of the case in the past. So unless you need extremly accurate render GPU will do fine. But still those edgecases still exist.

  • @mrjaked420
    @mrjaked420 10 месяцев назад

    loving these vids iceberg.

  • @keithlowe5512
    @keithlowe5512 10 месяцев назад

    Great vid. becoming one of my fave channels.

  • @TheBcoolGuy
    @TheBcoolGuy 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'd say an i7-6700K should do just fine with an RTX 2080 or 2080Ti without any bottlenecking.

  • @004vamsi
    @004vamsi 10 месяцев назад +4

    Never use CPU for rendering in Blender. Your GPU , even if it's a GTX 1050 will be faster than most high end CPU's out there.
    Great video, I just upgraded from 6700K to 7700X. That was massive!

  • @deamondeathstone1
    @deamondeathstone1 10 месяцев назад +1

    Where I live the I7 6700k costs about as much second hand as a I3 12100f new. If you get a cheap DDR4 motherboard and RAM with it, I doubt that the cost is that much higher. Downside: No overclocking. Upside: 2 years warranty.

  • @pazitor
    @pazitor 10 месяцев назад +1

    Heck, I still game on a 4C/8T Xeon on a Z97 platform. For gaming, I rarely notice a difference between that and my main rig, an i9-9900K. Big advantage, as it is a low power Xeon that idles on nothing.

  • @smaught_
    @smaught_ 9 месяцев назад

    Finally someone came back to Skylake. It's great to overclock.

  • @MrHav1k
    @MrHav1k 9 месяцев назад +1

    Of course Intel would STILL be manufacturing and selling 4C8T CPUs in 2023 on their latest platform. Can't kick an old habit LOL. Great video sir.

  • @nddulac
    @nddulac 10 месяцев назад

    Not a gaming use, but I am rocking a Pentium N6005 (in an Odroid H3+) with 16 GB of RAM and a pair of 6 TB hard drives as a home server (NAS, Plex, HTTP, etc.) and it has run like a dream. So, while I can't comment on gaming uses, I can certainly attest to the fact that quad core CPUs have plenty of useful applications today!

  • @goregejones7248
    @goregejones7248 10 месяцев назад

    Cpu benchmarks you can include cinebench 23, 24, handbrake, compression and decompression test using winrar.

  • @rn3srk1
    @rn3srk1 10 месяцев назад

    13:31 yes, Cuda/Optix would be the absolute choice, so yes, the cpu rendering benchmarks aren't representitive for the average blender user

  • @FaithyJo
    @FaithyJo 10 месяцев назад

    I've got a Xeon E3-1245 v2, and it's a quad with hyperthreading. It sits in an old HP Z220 SFF workstation that my employer was getting rid of. It came with a third Gen i5, but I wanted to run ECC memory, and I noted that the 1245 supported it.
    I've parked it in the corner, replaced the aging HDD with 4 SATA SSDs, threw three of them in a ZFS pool, and one to boot, and she's all flash based, with ECC memory, for under $100 (workstation was free mind you)
    It sits happily in the corner at my ex wife's house. We're still friends and she has 1 gig municipal internet. It does the usual box in the corner things, Plex server, SMB shares, and a win 10 virtual machine because my ex doesn't want to learn Linux 😢

  • @01RIE01
    @01RIE01 10 месяцев назад

    Great video and really relevant to me too! I got a decent deal on a laptop a year ago with black frdiday, it has a quad core i5-10300h and an RTX 3060 mobile. The cpu is somewhat close, being locked at 4.3 Ghz. Keep up the great content!

  • @zDeimos
    @zDeimos 10 месяцев назад +4

    I just upgraded from a 6700K to a 5800X3D, cause I thought it was holding back my 2080 ti, but after upgrading I saw a huge uplift in for example mc, but in forza I went from 40 to 50 fps…

    • @lucingolo
      @lucingolo 10 месяцев назад

      Your problem is somewhere else, the 2080ti and 5800x3D should be giving you 80+ fps at 2k max settings

  • @MobileIndifference
    @MobileIndifference 10 месяцев назад +2

    Would love to see a 3300X.

  • @pvtcmyers87
    @pvtcmyers87 10 месяцев назад

    Stunning job man! I’d love to see the 5300g

  • @Josue31627
    @Josue31627 10 месяцев назад +1

    8-threaded quad-cores is cheatin' tho. I think they're still quite capable in most scenarios.
    Using my old i5-4590 hurts sometimes in the newest stuff. Bless it, how it tries.

  • @ZackSNetwork
    @ZackSNetwork 10 месяцев назад

    I3 14100 will be a 6 core 12 thread CPU. So yeah 4 cores are done for as well as games requiring more than that to run and have better scalability.

  • @curvingfyre6810
    @curvingfyre6810 10 месяцев назад

    Most things these days are written for 8 threads or so. Issue is, most people are running more than one thing at once. Multimonitor is nearly default these days, and on top of the game, and window's hefty performance overhead, most people will have a web browser, discord, and about half the time an animated wallpaper all running elsewhere. Plenty of tasks to eat up a properly scheduled high core cpu. That being said, just a year or two ago, I was daily driving all of these tasks (minus the animated wallpaper) on a *non multithreaded* quad core, and not even one of the more recent ones. People wildly overestimate how vital a top of the line CPU is these days if you're satisfied with being average. Any new-bought TOTL system built today WILL be cpu limited, really harshly.

  • @Carstuff111
    @Carstuff111 10 месяцев назад

    This comparison really does show me that I made a great choice upgrading to an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X. I have it paired with a RTX 2080 Super, and all the games I play run well enough at 2560x1440 or 1920x1080 to make me extremely happy.

  • @GrandmasterBBC
    @GrandmasterBBC 7 месяцев назад

    I still run a HTPC on an i7-4770 with a GTX 1660 Super. It still holds it's own in most games at 1080p with some reduced settings.

  • @TheAmazingCowpig
    @TheAmazingCowpig 7 месяцев назад

    as someone who both likes to put together scrapheap PCs of random old parts *and* just built a full brand new rig with a 13600K "best performance-budget value", I felt that intro lol
    Currently trying to put together a rig around a 4C/8T R3 5350 I pulled out of a broken mini PC, so I'm definitely curious as to the quad-core in 2023(2024) question.

  • @ChfHappySack
    @ChfHappySack 10 месяцев назад

    Still using an i7-6700 in one of my gaming towers. Although there is a noticeable bottleneck, it still hits the 1080p 60fps gaming experience. This isn't always the case for modern triple A titles, but it handles the games I like just fine. Pro tip, if you have a beefier gpu you can sometimes bump the resolution up to 1440p for better performance. How you might ask? It offsets more of the workload to the gpu, making your cpu not work as hard resulting with slightly higher frames and obviously better visuals. It's a win win scenario! This doesn't work with all games, but it's definitely worth a shot.

  • @ConeruZ
    @ConeruZ 10 месяцев назад +1

    Still running an i7-6700 (non K). I think the biggest issue I face is less the processor and more the 8 GB of 2133 MHz ram and the SSHD that I run my games off of. Thinking of oing for the R5-7600x, 32 GB 6000 MHz CL30 ram and a Crucial P5 Plus as replacement. Should be quite the upgrade for me. Still keeping my rx 5700 xt for a little longer though.

  • @petercruz1993
    @petercruz1993 8 месяцев назад

    I had an i7 6700 (non k) until recently. It played apex legends absolutely fine, no stuttering or frame drops.
    I just got a ryzen 7600 which I’m sure will be a nicer upgrade path

  • @natetowery4931
    @natetowery4931 6 месяцев назад

    as someone who had a i3-10100F for like 2 years, its a perfect little quad core for (i paid 75$). it should last a good 3-4 years from now. i did upgrade tho cuz it just so happened to be the "weakest link" in my setup and i now have a i7-11700, and honestly i cant tell much of a difference lol

  • @zbrkesbris5987
    @zbrkesbris5987 10 месяцев назад +2

    Ryzen 3 3100 is such an unfortunate part to get tested because of added latency from inter-communication between 2 CCDs. Ryzen 3 3300x is better suited for gaming because of its single CCD and for same/similar price.

  • @GySgt_USMC_Ret.
    @GySgt_USMC_Ret. 10 месяцев назад

    I'm still running my i7-6700k with a 1080Ti. I usually update to a new system around the 5 year mark or when a game requires it. This time it's Forza Motorsport that needs a 6 core minimum. I have two systems waiting for a build, an i7-12700k with a 3080Ti and an i9-13900k with a 4090. Hopefully, these new systems will last for a long time.
    Fair winds and following seas to all.

  • @gerardotejada2531
    @gerardotejada2531 10 месяцев назад +1

    The 12100f handles a 3060ti without noticeable bottleneck. Thats a glorious combo that for 600$ will run every AAA game this generation. As It better than the PS5 SoC

    • @crocodilegamer93
      @crocodilegamer93 10 месяцев назад

      Its better unless the optimization for the game is trash

  • @siewkimng1085
    @siewkimng1085 10 месяцев назад +2

    Still running a 7700k with 6700XT. Runs well enough for 1440p.

    • @NexusFantismo
      @NexusFantismo 10 месяцев назад

      shoot I'm running an 8400 with a RX 6600 and I'm doing just fine with 3440 x 1440 at 60 HZ. I mostly play single player games so it isn't a problem.

  • @Afran3D
    @Afran3D 10 месяцев назад

    13:32 Yeah you're right. If you got any supported relatively modern GPU then you'd go for GPU rendering rather than CPU rendering. However, CPU rendering has one advantage that GPU doesn't (at least, not yet) and that is being able to use your system ram to render. Meaning, if your GPU has 8gb of ram for a scene that is 10gb large you will not be able to render that at all on the GPU since blender doesn't yet support out-of-core rendering. I believe CPU can do this but if I am mistaken, another argument is that you can always easily upgrade your system ram.
    Edit: To add also, I run an i7-6700 with an RTX 3080 and mostly do GPU rendering but having a beefy CPU helps a lot with simulations and is nice to have as a fallback when CUDA/OPTIX decides to play up.

  • @CaveyMoth
    @CaveyMoth 10 месяцев назад

    I wish there was a modern quad core CPU that just had very performant cores. But higher core count CPUs also have better performance per core.

  • @ninjasiren
    @ninjasiren 10 месяцев назад +1

    I was running Dual cores when Quad cores are the norm
    originally a Core 2 Duo E3400 (2c/2t), then went to mobile Intel Core i5-4210H (2c/4t)
    Then somewhere in the middle of the pandemic, I ended up upgrading directly to a mobile AMD Ryzen 7 6800H (8c/16t)
    GPU wise, I originally played with the a GeForce GTX 650 (Desktop), then went to mobile GeForce GTX 850M (4GB Version), then to a GeForce RTX 3050 Mobile
    Though, my first ever Family PC was either a Pentium 3 or Pentium 4 with an integrated SiS 630 Chipset with its integrated graphics SiS 305 iGPU (running originally Windows ME then I broke it then it was upgraded to XP)
    The Core 2 was running Windows Vista then 7
    The first gaming laptop was running Windows 8 then 8.1 then 10
    My new laptop runs on Windows 11

  • @blakedmc1989RaveHD
    @blakedmc1989RaveHD 10 месяцев назад

    i basically went from a i7 4790k to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D for gaming and my gosh it was huge

  • @ivonakis
    @ivonakis 10 месяцев назад

    Recently updated my 6700k - It was fine for everyday use, Only when I started playing flight sims like DCS and il2 i wanted an upgrade

  • @prateekpoddar1890
    @prateekpoddar1890 10 месяцев назад

    a herd of quad-core processors: *moves as a herd*
    me: they move in herds. *blinks back tears of joy* they DO move in herds.

    • @prateekpoddar1890
      @prateekpoddar1890 10 месяцев назад

      well now that you've hearted my comment, just wanted to say that your vids are awesome and that I really love your approach to talking about budget tech! Also the background music in your vids is 🔥

  • @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty
    @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty 6 месяцев назад

    Clock speed and 3D cache can increase the longevity of 4C8T a while longer. Imagine a theoretical Ryzen 3 7300X3D at 5ghz. It would have excellent gaming performance.

  • @getoffmybumper
    @getoffmybumper 10 месяцев назад +5

    Hello comment section

  • @MrSpaced123
    @MrSpaced123 10 месяцев назад +1

    Just a note about Fortnite performance mode on AMD GPUs, they dont fully boost unless you set a Minimum frequency either in the driver or with an external tool such as MoreClockTool/MorePowerTool from igors lab. If you look at your recording its only hitting 1300mhz

    • @MrSpaced123
      @MrSpaced123 10 месяцев назад

      Also looks like the same is happening is CS2

    • @IcebergTech
      @IcebergTech  10 месяцев назад

      Yes, I was aware that this behaviour was happening but my attempts to bypass it in the driver never worked out. I'll have to give MoreClockTool/MorePowerTool a try in my next CPU test. Thanks!

  • @SpeedIng80
    @SpeedIng80 10 месяцев назад

    Nice comparison! Could you also add your i7-5775c to the competition? This one should give the 6700K a hard time and I'm curious how it will compare to the 8700K ...

  • @lamhkak47
    @lamhkak47 10 месяцев назад

    Once the high-end option, now becomes the entry value choice. It is the best of times, and it is the worst of times.

  • @evaleeconklin9226
    @evaleeconklin9226 8 месяцев назад

    I run an i7-6700 (non-K) with an RTX 2070 just fine. I play some CPU heavy games like Kerbal Space Program 1 with no problem. I tend to play older games like SWBF2 2017 (still rather demanding) and ultra modded Skyrim. For having a monitor capped at 60fps, everything plays just fine and buttery smooth. I have no reason to upgrade the CPU quite yet. I do intend to get into VR, so I'll probably upgrade to something like a i5-12600K first.

  • @tryllejens
    @tryllejens 7 месяцев назад

    I think the Ryzen 3 4100 4c/8t, which is slightly better than the 3100 it seems, can make some sense in a brand new build. If you are on a very tight budget and only want new parts, it could be great in a very upgradable build. You just need a fairly decent motherboard and PSU and you could upgrade all the way to a 5800x3d on the same socket. You could start out with a Ryzen 4100 and an Arc a380 or something and then upgrade both parts down the line for a rather powerful build.

  • @justhitreset858
    @justhitreset858 9 месяцев назад

    I had an OC'd i3 12100f for fun on an MSI Max Mortar Wifi (the one with the external clock generator) and it destroyed. 100% not worth it value wise, but it was for fun. Quad cores can be great if given the opportunity as the primary limit is CPU throughput, not cores. It just so happens that quad cores are usually locked, less cache, and lower bins. If anything, less cores that are more capable should be better for gaming, but that's hard to market compared to more core = moar better.

  • @andrijacpvb6647
    @andrijacpvb6647 10 месяцев назад

    Used Ryzen 3 1200 since the launch day, served me well not going to lie, recently in september I made a switch to a Ryzen 5 7600 and an Rx 7900 xt from an Rx 570 2 weeks ago. In games that I play and tasks that I do I didnt see a future in 4c cpus.

  • @sanadanosa
    @sanadanosa 10 месяцев назад

    The fact that Steam Deck still use 4C/8T makes me confident that 4 cores still isn't dead yet. Of course it's not going to play everything maxed out at high frame rates, but for a decently playable experience, I think two more years is reasonable.

  • @hananas2
    @hananas2 10 месяцев назад +1

    It's insane to think you can get a modern 6 core for less than a dual core would've been before ryzen
    (€99 ryzen 5 5500 vs €110ish i3s)