it’s like this, Germany have Gergenpress,Spain have Tiki Taka, italy have Catenacio and England have? All these countries have footballing philosophy and ideas so easy for managers to come out,not so much for England. Philosophy wise your idealistic England NT gaffer would be Sean Dyche.
Excellent comment. I've been reading and hearing people say Tuchel is not accustomed to English football because he's not lived there long enough. Yet they wanted to get Pep? A Catalan who's fingerprints are all over the Premier League so you can't say the Premier League is the embodiment of English football when it's not😂The mention of Sean Dyche is a brilliant suggestion. However I think they would get Eddie Howe before him. Even then, would Eddie Howe want to leave Newcastle? He's building something there and he's been given loads of freedom to do so.
@@krul_2158 exactly, if it was Pep being available and keen for the England job, all the English nationality bs goes out the window and he'll be hired immediately, reality is the quality right now is still not up to standards , Howe is doing bits for newcastle and no chance he leave his project when it hasnt even gone to where it needs to yet, potter isnt a good prospect right now who else is available, most of the ex players have been failed managers or pundits
People mistakenly think this is a football only problem. We have the same issues in Rugby and Cricket too. Needs to be a serious investigation into why England is unable to produce elite coaches in most sports. Emma Hayes is the only one I can think of.
The wider problem is in England’s society and extends into the corporate and business culture. Innovation and change are treated suspiciously and there is a deep attachment to “tradition” and what worked in the past. Combine that with a hierarchal organisational culture that is authoritarian in its resistance to change and you can see why England’s development is slow in comparison to other countries. Ironically enough, the one thing that keeps England competing internationally is the Premier League being made an international brand and even that is facilitated by foreign coaches and players.
@@Epsilon04because the english don’t want to venture to other league outside of the country in order to practice and observe strategies that aren’t the norm. so they’ve pretty much plateaued
The England FA is trying to capitalize on the current talent in the squad. Why not get the best available manager who can lead the team and maximize what they can do right now? They can start looking at an English manager after the next World Cup and Euros Cycle, if the right one surfaces over the next 4-5 years.
I personally think thats a REALLY dated and weak narrative. Yes no foreign manager has ever won a World Cup but that does not mean Tuchel a cup manager with a world class team CANT. Tuchel is 10x better than England's best manager and thats facts making him the best possible manager for the job. Those hating on him will be the first to cry tears of joy if he wins the World Cup. I hope Tuchel can adjust from club to country football cus that will probably be his hardest test 🙏
take the great work southgate did uniting the squad and their late tournament experience and give it to a world class tactical manager, sounds good to me
Is worth noting, there are only 3 English managers managing in the Premier League at the moment. No other major nation has anywhere close to that small number of managers in charge of clubs in their top division.
Why? The EPL effect, since the rebrand of the League in '92, there is a marginal room for error. Other than Eddie Howe, how many English managers have been given the chance to fail and succeed. Potter and Roy Hodgson had to do multiple spells abroad to build reputation.
Why would the FA want to embarrass themselves the 24th time when they have another golden generation and havent seen a trophy since 66. why not just go for one of the best cup managers out there tuchel
As Lyes said, there are no title winning or awe inspiring English managers left, the last one is Redknapp and he is 77 years old, until Howe or Potter or anyone else wins something big and has a consistent career, the only solution is foreign experienced coaches. Germany, Spain and Italy have a myriad of coaches who won league titles and European trophies to chose from, England doesn't have this luxury
Spain and Argentina currently have coaches who haven't won anything and won the World Cup, Copa America and Euros. Jochim Löw won the World Cup with Germany and only won a Turkish Cup before becoming Germany manager and winning the World Cup.
I don't truly understand the narrative of needing to give english managers a chance. Cams says we never gave carsley a chance, but we were also under southgate for 8 years and we were never good enough to win anything. We don't need to keep experimenting with different english manager because eventually these players won't be young anymore. We are so close to winning smth, and what we need is someone who is experienced that can take us that final step to actually win smth. On top of that lets call it what it is, english managers are shit rn. Eddie howe isn't available, and carsley or potter will just waste this squad.
We didn’t experiment with managers at all, we just kept Southgate for whatever reason and reaped what we sow, carsely absolutely deserves a chance and that’s probably the worst part about tuchel joining
11:40 is Lyes fr right now 😂 spain produces some of the best (if not the best) coaches in the world, and they take pride in that. they wouldn't even look twice at tuchel.
@ national team is very different from club football and the style and dna of a certain league plays a big part of a national team. most players are playing in their country’s league. most academies in spain focus on the technical aspect of the game, possession, counter pressing etc. therefore coaches from spain that have trained and coached in spain are far better qualified to lead a spanish national team. the spanish federation knows that which is why they focus a lot on not only fostering young football talent but coaches as well. de la fuente has been with all the younger categories and won with them too. many of the players in the senior national team now have played with him in the youth categories. they would never look at tuchel when they have so many coaches better equipped for the job
@ national team is very different from club football and the style and dna of a certain league plays a big part of a national team. most players are playing in their country’s league. most academies in spain focus on the technical aspect of the game, possession, counter pressing etc. therefore coaches from spain that have trained and coached in spain are far better qualified to lead a spanish national team. the spanish federation knows that which is why they focus a lot on not only fostering young football talent but coaches as well. de la fuente has been with all the younger categories and won with them too. many of the players in the senior national team now have played with him in the youth categories. they would never look at tuchel when they have so many coaches better equipped for the job
Cams, I understand about the Foreign coach never won a World Cup for a different country but it’s time for England to be desperate and throw a haymaker. You have all these internationals under strict-disciplined coaches. Defensively tough and high tempo? Bring me that energy for England
I find it a bit hypocritical of the pundits who are complaining about Thomas Tuchel's appoint, because they were the ones who wanted Pep to be the next England Manger. When it's Pep's name for England manager, no patriotism, no complains, just pure praise. Where was this energy when the whole country wanted Pep. But hey, its all love from South Africa ✌
Cam's says that "Carsley only got one game wrong and England fans turned on him' completely ignoring the fact he withdrew himself from the job in the post game presser 🤣
International tournaments, most often than not, are carried by the players more than the manager. England have tried it with an English man and it failed. 8 years of no success. That's nearly a DECADE. That's madness for a nation like England considering the caliber of players they possess. For me, both players and manager have failed the nation. But since players cannot be changed, the manager has to go. Eddie Howe would've been a good pick but England are desperate for silverware so I understand as an outsider. However, Tuchel as your manager in knockout football is massive. Anyone complaining is ignorant.
I think the reason international teams don't go and get the best manager available cause generally the managers that are on tuchel's level are looking for high profile club teams to manage. This is a very rare situation where Tuchel was looking for a different challenge. I see both sides of the argument though.
If anything it’s an indictment of coaching in this country. We’ve some good managers and coaches in this country but when somebody like Tuchel is available with his track record in knockout competitions you take the punt and hope it comes off. But I see where Cam is coming from in an ideal situation we have a world class English manager but I don’t think we have that atm.
That shows how overrated England is as a football nation. When was the last time there was a top level coach from England? No english manager has ever won the Premier League. You are always hearing how Ex-players and so called pundits try to talk about tactics, but in fact the lack of understanding of the game is huge. England never impacted football in last decades like other big football nations did. You can‘t tell what the english way of playing is. “Total football“, “Tiki Taka“, “Catenaccio“, “Gegenpressing“ etc., coaches from Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands influenced football tactically. If you look at the Premier League Era foreign coaches in Wenger and Mourinho, later on Pep and Klopp were the ones who brought modern systems/tactics to England.
I hear Cam's question about why don't other national teams go for managers of different nationalities but you man just had Carsley and people were vex he didn't sing the anthem lol. He's still English. Give say Potter the job now how happy would England fans be even though he's English? As an outsider looking in, I don't think I've ever seen England fans happy with who is managing the national team even when the manager was English. As far as I'm concerned, if Southgate was able to coach this group of players to a WC semi final and a Euro final, Tuchel could very well take them all the way to a trophy. Of course it's not cut and dry, he has to coach adequately and make the most effective decisions but he's a top 5 manager in football right now and he has a solid resume. I think he's pretty good at knock out football. As managers go he's definitely one of England's best chances at a first international trophy since 1966.
The reason other countries don't hire foreign managers is because they have a large pool of managers in their country already with a cheaper way of becoming a professional coach compared to England. Not only do England have a much smaller pool of managers, it costs 10x the amount to become a coach in England then it does in any other big footballing nation. The only English manger worthy of the job is Eddie Howe. The FA definitely interviewed him and he just rejected, there's no need for him to leave the project he's developing at Newcastle for the most scrutinised job in the world.
@@Witty-Hydra Yes and they do that, but it still deters a large number of managers. You not only need to learn the language, you need to drop everything you have in England for the license
@@hassan952 U don’t really need to go to a country where the language is not spoken English but if u do I think they might provide English speaking person for those who don’t speak the language if the person decides to go somewhere where the language is different. I do agree with u tho.
But Lee Carsley himself would say he still isn’t ready for the job. And hiring Howe or Potter would just be like hiring Tuchel in terms of internal promotions. But worse
This is such a tired and forced debate. The only realistic options Howe and Potter did not want the job. You’re then left with Lampard, Gerard, and maybe some other random English legend who have historically been abysmal. This is ridiculous. Who else could they have hired? This is a big football nation. Lee Carsley getting promoted would have made sense. He is directly below the senior level as was Scaloni and others. The Rob Edward’s or Russel Martin just do not have that connection. England got the best available. You all should be happy and not be embarrassing yourselves.
Dont say England does not want foreign managers, where England has some of the designated foreign players in their team, who played for different nations.
The whole world does. It's called immigration. The whole of the western world is multicultural. We have to embrace each other as people. Nationally is made up concept for the piece of land you were born on.
I agree with Cams. I am from Croatia and we are not a big nation but I couldn't possibly imagine our team run by a foreigner. Our World cup runs don't happen with a foreigner at the helm.
@@Witty-Hydra but in their respective countries their native coaches win league titles...Jose at Porto Enrique and pep in Spain flick in Germany ...but 30+ yrs none in England ..👀🤔
Cam's right, there promoting all these coaching licenses and homegrown just to get a foreign manager. whats the point of all that support for english coaching and the system behind it? just to drop it all
That's not down to the avenues available to them. That's down to the coaches themselves not being good enough. You don't just get things handed to you for taking part. English managers don't seem to be football purists like the Spanish and Dutch managers do. They dont have the football iq. I think part of that is not being able to embrace other footballing cultures and mix them together.
@@bhvillaman4401 england’s structure for there coaching licences are also very expensive i believe about 2-3x more expensive then spain. Its hard to find purists with prices like that
It's only in men's football where this is an issue. Rugby, women's football, and every other sport the manager is generally not from that nation. England have not won in nearly 70 years so I don't care if it's an alien from Pluto, if he brings a trophy give them a knighthood. Sir Thomas Tuchel
when they talk about other nations using their own coaches. Spain started wining trophies with Aragones who was a winner, Del bosque was a winner before getting the Spanish job. Lippi was a league and champions league winner before wining the World Cup for Italy, Germany are winners. Brazil and Argentina are different, their players alone are enough. England are not winners and they don’t have coaches who are winners. So why are they screaming, Tuchel is even doing them a favor.
In an ideal world of course it’ll be nice for an England manager to be English however England just doesn’t have the talent when it comes to coaching. When you look at the other top leagues in Europe most of the managers come from their own country while in the prem most managers are foreign. France, Germany, Spain, Italy, etc will not hire a foreign manager because they already have options of great managers who are winners while England do not. That’s not a Tuchel problem that’s Englands’s coaching system problem. England need a winner as a manager and Tuchel is that.
People care too much about this imo. None of these english managers have done enough to prove themselves to have that job. Let Tuchel take the mantle, see if he can end that long drought, get over the line and from there assess and hope someone else whose English can take over. Even then, Tuchel clearly feels a sense of pride managing England, so why are you trying to take that away from him?
It's a dangerous way of interpreting football imo. If you aint playing the 'Pep-Way', you are a pragmatic manager. We have labeled TT that way since he came to the EPL. Funny enough most of his teams always scored a lot of goals and it was entertaining. So what is it that people dont rate about him?
Nothing, he's a very attacking manager, a very exciting manager and a pragmatic one at the same time. If he needs to play a bit more defensively to counter a specific side he will do it. But his main philosophy is quite attacking. Dortmund scored the most goals in the league when he was there, more than bayern. But i dont think thats the main criticism of tuchel tho, i think people are just cricising him cause he's german, which really isnt fair so...
Stop ignoring the fact that top managers don’t wanna coach internationally and that’s a huge reason. It’s also 2024 and diversity is just different. If was weird for non Spanish manager to manager Madrid only a decade ago. Times are changing
Cams makes a Motte-Bailey point, “no foreign managers!! Actually no what Im saying is we need to develop English managers”….nah stick to your original hard to defend point
Firstly, happy birthday and wedding to Cam and Fam. I think while England arguably has some of the best players team for team in the world, the coaching side has been slacking for decades. No English coach comes anywhere close to being the best in the world. Despite England having the infrastructure Cam speaks on, the coaching is dreadfully insufficient. This is the best chance for England to win a trophy and the FA have made the best decision to that end. And if Tuchel delivers, his nationality may be an asteria in the history books. In any case our royal family are bloody German All that said, we should have stuck with Carsley. Light years better than Southgate
English coaches just are not elite. No English manager has ever won the prem and if England want to be successful they have to try something different. Tuchel is one of the best knockout coaches, screw tradition.
People are looking at this through a narrow lens. Most of the coverage from people who support the appointment talks about how English coaches are not good enough and don't deserve top jobs. This is true but also misses the point. I am uncomfortable with the appointment not for the Daily Mail's xenophobic/jingoistic reasons of disliking Germany/Germans(which is both embarrassing and pathetic in 2024), but because I feel it compromises international sport as a whole and goes against its whole essence. The whole point of international sport is to play the hand that you have/you've been dealt. Your best against somebody else's best. If Britain have no good swimmers ahead of the Olympics, we can't just go and poach some from America and/or Australia. So why shouldn't it be the same with the coaches. How is it fair on Germany if Tuchel was to beat them in a final? The England manager should always be English in the same way the Germany manager should always be German, France always French, Spain always Spanish etc for this reason.
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He said he'd rather Chris Wilder than Tuchel because Brexit means brexit
it’s like this, Germany have Gergenpress,Spain have Tiki Taka, italy have Catenacio and England have? All these countries have footballing philosophy and ideas so easy for managers to come out,not so much for England. Philosophy wise your idealistic England NT gaffer would be Sean Dyche.
Excellent comment. I've been reading and hearing people say Tuchel is not accustomed to English football because he's not lived there long enough. Yet they wanted to get Pep? A Catalan who's fingerprints are all over the Premier League so you can't say the Premier League is the embodiment of English football when it's not😂The mention of Sean Dyche is a brilliant suggestion. However I think they would get Eddie Howe before him. Even then, would Eddie Howe want to leave Newcastle? He's building something there and he's been given loads of freedom to do so.
@@krul_2158 exactly, if it was Pep being available and keen for the England job, all the English nationality bs goes out the window and he'll be hired immediately, reality is the quality right now is still not up to standards , Howe is doing bits for newcastle and no chance he leave his project when it hasnt even gone to where it needs to yet, potter isnt a good prospect right now who else is available, most of the ex players have been failed managers or pundits
England have brexit ball, philosophy played by the greats like Mourinho and simeone
The style of English football is far closer to amateur football than it is to tiki taka
@@bhvillaman4401 you’re really calling English football full of high and constant pressing and keeping possession amateur?
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Lyes is #1 no doubt. He's the one that's closest to making it in mainstream media.
I think Cams’ point speaks to a wider issue within English coaching and the issue about why England doesn’t produce great coaches…
People mistakenly think this is a football only problem. We have the same issues in Rugby and Cricket too. Needs to be a serious investigation into why England is unable to produce elite coaches in most sports. Emma Hayes is the only one I can think of.
The wider problem is in England’s society and extends into the corporate and business culture. Innovation and change are treated suspiciously and there is a deep attachment to “tradition” and what worked in the past. Combine that with a hierarchal organisational culture that is authoritarian in its resistance to change and you can see why England’s development is slow in comparison to other countries. Ironically enough, the one thing that keeps England competing internationally is the Premier League being made an international brand and even that is facilitated by foreign coaches and players.
@@YMY_1999 yeah that point you make at the top is very good and is also why the UK always seems to have lower productivity than other countries.
@YMY_1999 it's also the same reason the british economy is declining
@@Epsilon04because the english don’t want to venture to other league outside of the country in order to practice and observe strategies that aren’t the norm. so they’ve pretty much plateaued
Happy birthday culture cams! Keep up the hard work and ball knowledge 💪🏿
happy birthday Cams ! much love from the US
tuchel legit a top 3 tactician in world footie and english media are pissed😭 idiots
Tuchel is not top 3, no way
@@emilesmithrowe8353he is but in knockout competition which the national team job is
@RajaSingha-cb9fv so you're saying it goes... ancelotti, emery then tuchel for tournament managers
@@bhvillaman4401no, it's pep, ancelotti, tuchel
Have a good birthday CC 🎂 and banger video as always boys 🔥
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The England FA is trying to capitalize on the current talent in the squad. Why not get the best available manager who can lead the team and maximize what they can do right now? They can start looking at an English manager after the next World Cup and Euros Cycle, if the right one surfaces over the next 4-5 years.
I personally think thats a REALLY dated and weak narrative. Yes no foreign manager has ever won a World Cup but that does not mean Tuchel a cup manager with a world class team CANT. Tuchel is 10x better than England's best manager and thats facts making him the best possible manager for the job. Those hating on him will be the first to cry tears of joy if he wins the World Cup. I hope Tuchel can adjust from club to country football cus that will probably be his hardest test 🙏
take the great work southgate did uniting the squad and their late tournament experience and give it to a world class tactical manager, sounds good to me
Is worth noting, there are only 3 English managers managing in the Premier League at the moment. No other major nation has anywhere close to that small number of managers in charge of clubs in their top division.
Why? The EPL effect, since the rebrand of the League in '92, there is a marginal room for error. Other than Eddie Howe, how many English managers have been given the chance to fail and succeed. Potter and Roy Hodgson had to do multiple spells abroad to build reputation.
Great content as always and completely agree with Cams
Why would the FA want to embarrass themselves the 24th time when they have another golden generation and havent seen a trophy since 66. why not just go for one of the best cup managers out there tuchel
Sarina Wiegman (Dutch) won the Euros with the Lionesses, wasn't a problem there.
Acting like anyone cared about the England’s women 😂
Remember, Scaloni was just supposed to be a caretaker initially, but once he started doing well he was given the job permanently.
As Lyes said, there are no title winning or awe inspiring English managers left, the last one is Redknapp and he is 77 years old, until Howe or Potter or anyone else wins something big and has a consistent career, the only solution is foreign experienced coaches. Germany, Spain and Italy have a myriad of coaches who won league titles and European trophies to chose from, England doesn't have this luxury
Spain and Argentina currently have coaches who haven't won anything and won the World Cup, Copa America and Euros. Jochim Löw won the World Cup with Germany and only won a Turkish Cup before becoming Germany manager and winning the World Cup.
As a chelsea fan I would love it if united get southgate
lol the fact that the english media is ripping into this says it all icl, just imagine if it was potter/howe theyd get demolished
I don't truly understand the narrative of needing to give english managers a chance. Cams says we never gave carsley a chance, but we were also under southgate for 8 years and we were never good enough to win anything. We don't need to keep experimenting with different english manager because eventually these players won't be young anymore. We are so close to winning smth, and what we need is someone who is experienced that can take us that final step to actually win smth. On top of that lets call it what it is, english managers are shit rn. Eddie howe isn't available, and carsley or potter will just waste this squad.
We didn’t experiment with managers at all, we just kept Southgate for whatever reason and reaped what we sow, carsely absolutely deserves a chance and that’s probably the worst part about tuchel joining
@@Deathmare235 carsley said himself he's not ready for the job
11:40 is Lyes fr right now 😂 spain produces some of the best (if not the best) coaches in the world, and they take pride in that. they wouldn't even look twice at tuchel.
other than pep which spanish coach has a CL and 2 CL finals? tuchel better
@ national team is very different from club football and the style and dna of a certain league plays a big part of a national team. most players are playing in their country’s league. most academies in spain focus on the technical aspect of the game, possession, counter pressing etc. therefore coaches from spain that have trained and coached in spain are far better qualified to lead a spanish national team. the spanish federation knows that which is why they focus a lot on not only fostering young football talent but coaches as well. de la fuente has been with all the younger categories and won with them too. many of the players in the senior national team now have played with him in the youth categories. they would never look at tuchel when they have so many coaches better equipped for the job
@ national team is very different from club football and the style and dna of a certain league plays a big part of a national team. most players are playing in their country’s league. most academies in spain focus on the technical aspect of the game, possession, counter pressing etc. therefore coaches from spain that have trained and coached in spain are far better qualified to lead a spanish national team. the spanish federation knows that which is why they focus a lot on not only fostering young football talent but coaches as well. de la fuente has been with all the younger categories and won with them too. many of the players in the senior national team now have played with him in the youth categories. they would never look at tuchel when they have so many coaches better equipped for the job
As an England fan I agree with Cams, it should have been Southgate😭😭
United talk on this episode felt like a throwback to United State of Mind 😂 iykyk
Cams, I understand about the Foreign coach never won a World Cup for a different country but it’s time for England to be desperate and throw a haymaker.
You have all these internationals under strict-disciplined coaches. Defensively tough and high tempo? Bring me that energy for England
I find it a bit hypocritical of the pundits who are complaining about Thomas Tuchel's appoint, because they were the ones who wanted Pep to be the next England Manger. When it's Pep's name for England manager, no patriotism, no complains, just pure praise. Where was this energy when the whole country wanted Pep. But hey, its all love from South Africa ✌
Cam's says that "Carsley only got one game wrong and England fans turned on him' completely ignoring the fact he withdrew himself from the job in the post game presser 🤣
I was all aboard the Carsley train until that frankly embarrassing interview, the guy clearly isn't ready for the big jobs
International tournaments, most often than not, are carried by the players more than the manager. England have tried it with an English man and it failed. 8 years of no success. That's nearly a DECADE. That's madness for a nation like England considering the caliber of players they possess. For me, both players and manager have failed the nation. But since players cannot be changed, the manager has to go. Eddie Howe would've been a good pick but England are desperate for silverware so I understand as an outsider. However, Tuchel as your manager in knockout football is massive. Anyone complaining is ignorant.
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I think the reason international teams don't go and get the best manager available cause generally the managers that are on tuchel's level are looking for high profile club teams to manage. This is a very rare situation where Tuchel was looking for a different challenge. I see both sides of the argument though.
If anything it’s an indictment of coaching in this country. We’ve some good managers and coaches in this country but when somebody like Tuchel is available with his track record in knockout competitions you take the punt and hope it comes off. But I see where Cam is coming from in an ideal situation we have a world class English manager but I don’t think we have that atm.
That shows how overrated England is as a football nation. When was the last time there was a top level coach from England? No english manager has ever won the Premier League. You are always hearing how Ex-players and so called pundits try to talk about tactics, but in fact the lack of understanding of the game is huge. England never impacted football in last decades like other big football nations did. You can‘t tell what the english way of playing is. “Total football“, “Tiki Taka“, “Catenaccio“, “Gegenpressing“ etc., coaches from Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands influenced football tactically. If you look at the Premier League Era foreign coaches in Wenger and Mourinho, later on Pep and Klopp were the ones who brought modern systems/tactics to England.
I hear Cam's question about why don't other national teams go for managers of different nationalities but you man just had Carsley and people were vex he didn't sing the anthem lol. He's still English. Give say Potter the job now how happy would England fans be even though he's English? As an outsider looking in, I don't think I've ever seen England fans happy with who is managing the national team even when the manager was English.
As far as I'm concerned, if Southgate was able to coach this group of players to a WC semi final and a Euro final, Tuchel could very well take them all the way to a trophy. Of course it's not cut and dry, he has to coach adequately and make the most effective decisions but he's a top 5 manager in football right now and he has a solid resume. I think he's pretty good at knock out football. As managers go he's definitely one of England's best chances at a first international trophy since 1966.
It should be a rule that the top nations need to have a manager that is from that country. Just like the players
Tuchel is a world class manager
As an Argentine if we ever hired anyone that’s not from Argentina I would be pissed (unless it was pep)🤣🤣
“Tuchel is the best knockout manager”
Are we forgetting Klopp?
4/8 European finals
Unbeaten in Semi-Finals
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@34:40 every situation is different though. Were we moving like a big club for sacking LVG after he won the fa cup...
The reason other countries don't hire foreign managers is because they have a large pool of managers in their country already with a cheaper way of becoming a professional coach compared to England. Not only do England have a much smaller pool of managers, it costs 10x the amount to become a coach in England then it does in any other big footballing nation.
The only English manger worthy of the job is Eddie Howe. The FA definitely interviewed him and he just rejected, there's no need for him to leave the project he's developing at Newcastle for the most scrutinised job in the world.
U do know those English coaches can go to foreign countries n get their license there. It doesn’t have to be in England.
@@Witty-Hydra Yes and they do that, but it still deters a large number of managers. You not only need to learn the language, you need to drop everything you have in England for the license
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U don’t really need to go to a country where the language is not spoken English but if u do I think they might provide English speaking person for those who don’t speak the language if the person decides to go somewhere where the language is different.
I do agree with u tho.
@@Witty-Hydra Yeah true
It's how we pick our politicians aswell. Posh boys with no practical knowledge.
But Lee Carsley himself would say he still isn’t ready for the job. And hiring Howe or Potter would just be like hiring Tuchel in terms of internal promotions. But worse
Y'all didn't do the intro🥺
The real question is why haven't England produced a top-level manager
England just doesn’t produce good enough coaches they need to do something about that
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This is such a tired and forced debate. The only realistic options Howe and Potter did not want the job. You’re then left with Lampard, Gerard, and maybe some other random English legend who have historically been abysmal. This is ridiculous. Who else could they have hired? This is a big football nation. Lee Carsley getting promoted would have made sense. He is directly below the senior level as was Scaloni and others. The Rob Edward’s or Russel Martin just do not have that connection. England got the best available. You all should be happy and not be embarrassing yourselves.
Dont say England does not want foreign managers, where England has some of the designated foreign players in their team, who played for different nations.
The whole world does. It's called immigration. The whole of the western world is multicultural. We have to embrace each other as people. Nationally is made up concept for the piece of land you were born on.
I agree with Cams. I am from Croatia and we are not a big nation but I couldn't possibly imagine our team run by a foreigner. Our World cup runs don't happen with a foreigner at the helm.
I think the bigger question is why england has failed to produce world class managers ?
Expecting to hire an english coach whilst no english manager has won the premier league is wiiiiiild
U do know most of the coaches who won the Euro’s n World Cup haven’t won a league title in their country.
@@Witty-Hydra but in their respective countries their native coaches win league titles...Jose at Porto Enrique and pep in Spain flick in Germany ...but 30+ yrs none in England ..👀🤔
"eras come to an end"
Cam's right, there promoting all these coaching licenses and homegrown just to get a foreign manager. whats the point of all that support for english coaching and the system behind it? just to drop it all
That's not down to the avenues available to them. That's down to the coaches themselves not being good enough. You don't just get things handed to you for taking part. English managers don't seem to be football purists like the Spanish and Dutch managers do. They dont have the football iq. I think part of that is not being able to embrace other footballing cultures and mix them together.
@@bhvillaman4401 england’s structure for there coaching licences are also very expensive i believe about 2-3x more expensive then spain. Its hard to find purists with prices like that
It's only in men's football where this is an issue. Rugby, women's football, and every other sport the manager is generally not from that nation. England have not won in nearly 70 years so I don't care if it's an alien from Pluto, if he brings a trophy give them a knighthood. Sir Thomas Tuchel
Happy birthday culture scam 😊
Both got new trims haha
Simple answer is that England does not have the coaches on the level as foreigners
Brazil wanted Ancelotti
when they talk about other nations using their own coaches.
Spain started wining trophies with Aragones who was a winner, Del bosque was a winner before getting the Spanish job.
Lippi was a league and champions league winner before wining the World Cup for Italy,
Germany are winners.
Brazil and Argentina are different, their players alone are enough.
England are not winners and they don’t have coaches who are winners.
So why are they screaming, Tuchel is even doing them a favor.
In an ideal world of course it’ll be nice for an England manager to be English however England just doesn’t have the talent when it comes to coaching.
When you look at the other top leagues in Europe most of the managers come from their own country while in the prem most managers are foreign. France, Germany, Spain, Italy, etc will not hire a foreign manager because they already have options of great managers who are winners while England do not.
That’s not a Tuchel problem that’s Englands’s coaching system problem. England need a winner as a manager and Tuchel is that.
short answer - no long answer - nooooooooooo
There’s nothing more English than going to another country for a solution
People care too much about this imo. None of these english managers have done enough to prove themselves to have that job. Let Tuchel take the mantle, see if he can end that long drought, get over the line and from there assess and hope someone else whose English can take over. Even then, Tuchel clearly feels a sense of pride managing England, so why are you trying to take that away from him?
It's a dangerous way of interpreting football imo. If you aint playing the 'Pep-Way', you are a pragmatic manager. We have labeled TT that way since he came to the EPL. Funny enough most of his teams always scored a lot of goals and it was entertaining. So what is it that people dont rate about him?
Nothing, he's a very attacking manager, a very exciting manager and a pragmatic one at the same time. If he needs to play a bit more defensively to counter a specific side he will do it. But his main philosophy is quite attacking. Dortmund scored the most goals in the league when he was there, more than bayern. But i dont think thats the main criticism of tuchel tho, i think people are just cricising him cause he's german, which really isnt fair so...
Because other big football countries are not desperate they won trophies
Would you rather win with Tuchel or lose with 'one of your own'
Seems like the latter and I know I'm right
Cams waffling
when was the last time an English couch won the premier league?
England getting another foreign coach it makes sense that coach is German. The British Royal Family is already very German
Stop ignoring the fact that top managers don’t wanna coach internationally and that’s a huge reason.
It’s also 2024 and diversity is just different. If was weird for non Spanish manager to manager Madrid only a decade ago. Times are changing
Portugal is not a big footballing nation , they had barely qualified for world cups never had won anything until recent years (2016 )
Tuchel chose England over united 😂😂
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Would Spain have hired Thomas Tuchel if he was available? lol. They'd rather move the capital to Barcelona before that happens .
I simply don't think Tuchel will be able to deliver a trophy for this team.
I don't think an English manager can get english player over the line. Somethings missing. Mentality wise.
Cams makes a Motte-Bailey point, “no foreign managers!! Actually no what Im saying is we need to develop English managers”….nah stick to your original hard to defend point
he is german its a nogo for any proud english!
Firstly, happy birthday and wedding to Cam and Fam.
I think while England arguably has some of the best players team for team in the world, the coaching side has been slacking for decades. No English coach comes anywhere close to being the best in the world.
Despite England having the infrastructure Cam speaks on, the coaching is dreadfully insufficient.
This is the best chance for England to win a trophy and the FA have made the best decision to that end. And if Tuchel delivers, his nationality may be an asteria in the history books.
In any case our royal family are bloody German
All that said, we should have stuck with Carsley. Light years better than Southgate
The England is a small nation, if there are no elite coaches within the system.
I don't think lee Carsley wanted the job tbf he kept saying he want to go back to the u23s
The women's England coach is not English and she won the Euros and made the final of the World Cup 👀
Cams you are tripping
English coaches just are not elite. No English manager has ever won the prem and if England want to be successful they have to try something different. Tuchel is one of the best knockout coaches, screw tradition.
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😂😂this narrative is so wrong
People are looking at this through a narrow lens. Most of the coverage from people who support the appointment talks about how English coaches are not good enough and don't deserve top jobs. This is true but also misses the point.
I am uncomfortable with the appointment not for the Daily Mail's xenophobic/jingoistic reasons of disliking Germany/Germans(which is both embarrassing and pathetic in 2024), but because I feel it compromises international sport as a whole and goes against its whole essence.
The whole point of international sport is to play the hand that you have/you've been dealt. Your best against somebody else's best. If Britain have no good swimmers ahead of the Olympics, we can't just go and poach some from America and/or Australia. So why shouldn't it be the same with the coaches. How is it fair on Germany if Tuchel was to beat them in a final? The England manager should always be English in the same way the Germany manager should always be German, France always French, Spain always Spanish etc for this reason.