The “hardworking” rhetoric makes people think cr7 ain’t talented,06-014 prior to his knee injury one of the most complete players I’ve seen & yes he’s more of a pure footballer than hazard.
Hazard didn’t say cr7 wasn’t talented. He just stated he’s more talented in which he’s right. It’s a compliment to CR7 if anything because he even conceded he’s the greater player too
No, he's not. I don't care which CR7 you're taking, whether it's '06 or '09 or '14, he wasn't more of a pure footballer than Hazard. He couldn't torch entire teams like Hazard did. More complete, more succesful etc, yes, but pure footballer, no way.
Hazard was that trick pony for 10 years while carrying his team. When Ronaldo did those tricks pre 2006 WC, he was just another player in the team. Wasn't the main man or something.
@@sagarranjan4585 And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is..there’s no single year hazard had been any better than Ronaldo simple as that!
@@sagarranjan4585 He was an amazing goalscorer at Madrid, yes, but that was when he was his most complete as an all around player, he could simply do everything attacking wise.
This pure footballer thing is mainly what people online like on twitter use for people who are technically gifted, shooting defending and passing are parts of football. So how come when they say pure football they’re only talking mainly about technical ability and dribbling and iq, that doesn’t determine what pure football is. It’s semantics but it needs a better name
@@LyesBouzidiohh yeah not you guys I saw that so I changed it but I think that’s how it’s used in other debates which isn’t showing the entire argument
Well maybe because defending, shooting and physicality are attributes that are easier to get or be good at than playmaking, dribbling or game lecture which are attributes that let's say "you have to be born with"
Even if hazard meant that ronaldo changed his playing style to be relevant and that is what he meant, it still does not work, because all that tells us is that Cr7 talent as a forward is all encompassing, he still was one of the greatest striker the game has ever seen, and even in his prime he did it all consistently anyway, so if he stick to one attribute because he has an ankle and knee injury and is getting old, it does not make him less of a pure footballer, his relationship with the ball is still there. Its like having a wife right, but instead of cr7 only being a lover to his wife, hes her friend, her leader, the bearer of her secrets, her right hand, her biggest supporter and fan, and the greatest man she ever knew or know, thats the thing, its like that with ronaldo now, rn he can only be a friend to the football, still love the ball sometimes showing it a good time, but they both understand each other, thats how i read it, so even if hazard mean ronaldo is not pure footballer because he adapted his game, still not the best argument even if the basis of the argument is acceptible, too much gray area.
Ronaldo was putting in work but it comes down to who is around you at the time. Ronaldo was playing in a great squad where winning was everything every year his game had to evolve to be more efficient and hazard was allowed to do whatever he wanted in a Chelsea squad that most likely let him
Football isn't for everyone. Hazard is retired at an age when CR7 was winning 3 in a row. The "pure footballer" debate only comes up when you let them know CR7 has the most goals and assists in the UCL.
It's funny how no one regarded Ronaldo as one of the Goats back in his actual prime (2008-2014). It's only when Real Madrid won all those UCLs and hyping football players on social media (Based on stats) became a huge thing, did people start thinking of Ronaldo as a GOAT candidate. When he was way past his prime.
@@shahabuddin2802 ronaldo has never been a goat level player, media created the fake rivalry as it helped them bring in more views/followers which helped them make millions from the fake rivalry
@@theboy2435 your a ronaldo fan hence why you don’t know what pure football is, if you need someone to explain to you then you should stop watching football
yo, im always watching when its lyes and cams. i got a fun idea, a series of guess who game (football edition) with cams and other opponents. Keep it up
the thing where I disagree is the ‘bigger talent’ bit. pure footballer maybe, but I think a footballer like Haaland is insanely talented just in different aspects of the game.
Thats basically what Hazard is saying. He's better than Ronaldo in different aspects of the game like technique and dribbling. Like in Lampard is better than Zidane in goalscoring but technically on the ball Zidane is better.
Have a few topics to discuss 1.Zizou being the by far best midfielder football has ever seen.He is the only midfielder I hear in goat player convos btw. 2.Dennis Bergkamp is the most underrated player of all time.
Purest footballers to me are the freedom of expression, creativity and skill. Maradona, Neymar, Dinho, Zidane, Garrincha. Watch Diego Maradona play, every single touch is magic. A 5 yard pass will be a scooped backheel to a teammate
Hazard was good at Chelsea but now he is just bitter about his time at Madrid. But the man has the right to dream. Also depends on what version of Ronaldo we are talking about. 08-14 no but since then may be.
Im a Barca fan but the the Saka/Foden discourse is hilarious. People think that Foden is more technical and Saka is the one that relies more on Pace & Power, when in reality it’s the exact opposite. Saka is better at receiving and operating in tight spaces, better at combining with teammates, better deliveries and more creative. Foden is much more explosive. Superior at receiving and playing in big spaces, far quicker in transition, more powerful shooter. Not to say that Saka is not athletic or that Foden is not excellent technically, which they both are, but the public perception of both has it so so wrong, purely because Foden’s receiving and dribbling style is more aesthetically pleasing. 0 actual analysis goes into it.
They basically echoed my thoughts on this. I think Hazard has an argument if you understand what pure footballer means or the angle he was talking about. This idea that Hazard was way off is ridiculous. He’s one of the greatest talents we’ve seen
I know I'm 5 months late, but I just saw this video and personally, Pure footballer to me means, most naturally gifted. Players that, despite their physical nature (advantageous or not) ,were able to be flawless with the ball. People like Maradonna, Pele, Ronaldinho, R9, Cruyff, Neymar, Henry, Messi (GOAT), Zidane, Suarez, Pogba, Modric and even Zlatan Ibrahimovic, in my opinion are the perfect examples of this. These players were beautiful to watch while all being vastly different sizes and shapes. Ironically, what connects them all is their amazing natural ability playing with the ball. For this reason, while I dont think Hazard is a better player than Ronaldo, I do think he arguably is a more naturally gifted player. We look back at how special he was and that's with him not training or taking his health too seriously. Ronaldo was massively talented, but we saw, with age, his grace on the ball decline rather rapidly. These other players never declined with their ball ability, they have just lost their physicality with age.
Isn’t Ronaldo naturally gifted too tho? I’d argue someone being able to shoot with both feet, complete 20 dribbles in a game, have heading ability, top level athletic ability, being able to shoot from long distances and score, excellent decision making and positioning is a more naturally gifted player. I can agree that Hazard is a better dribbler but I believe there’s more to “Pure Football” than just dribbling and Ronaldo beats Hazard in all of that, other than Messi Ronaldo is the most complete attacking player of all time.And keeping in mind he isn’t a bad dribbler either, completing over 1000 dribbles and being top 5 all time in that stat. Isn’t a player with all these abilities more naturally gifted?
And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is
@@theboy2435 don’t be ridiculous 😂 messi was better by far during most of those years. 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 (injured Messi), all better then ronaldo 😂
Even though I know what Hazard means, in the heat of the Messi Ronaldo rivalry, nobody had the balls to say this out loud, aside from Griezmann. Hazard's one my favorite players, but it's a very easy thing to say in today's climate when the intensity died down. Also I prefer to not compare anyone with Messi & Ronaldo anyways. But for me, a pure footballer is someone who makes football look effortless, plays the game elegantly and oozes creativity & technical ability. Everyone who's played football competitively at any level knows there are always your physical players, intelligent players, hard workers, efficient wingers, solid CB's, relentless rightbacks, etc. They can all have a great game or even decide games, but guaranteed at the end of the game, EVERYONE on that pitch will remember who the real ballers were. First touch, control, composure, elegance, flair, intelligence, creativity, technique, instinct, vision, passing, finishing, dribbling. A player who has has acombination of these attributes and simplifies it to make football look effortless is a pure footballer.
Just to contextualize the emphasis that being a pure baller has on the perception of players' greatness the new phase of the “ goat “ potentially will be Halaand Vrs Mbappe and despite Halaand’s goal-scoring ability Mbappe much like his predecessor Messi will be viewed as a better player due to being his pure footballing ability .
Got an interesting thought experiment for you, if you had to make up a team of one player playing every outfield position with Courtois/Alisson in goal, which player would be the best in the world? Eg:Courtois + 10x Rodri vs Courtois vs 10x John Stones.
You don’t even need to go that far back to know how humongous of a footballling talent Ronaldo was, he cut short his game play to facilitate goal scoring as his teams needed. But we forgetting the goal Nani stole from him, the bicycle kicks, the heel cut backs that left man on the floor..
like you guys said, i think people (inc. hazard maybe?) have forgotten how ronaldo used to play before 2017 ish, when he adapted his game because of his physical levels to be more of an output machine/goalscorer (adapting to his new strengths and roles, which a lot of players fail to do as they age). i think before that ronaldo was definitely a supreme 'pure footballer' in terms of dribbling, passing, ball-striking, IQ, almost anything. i get where hazard's coming from, and he was definitely up there with them and neymar etc in terms of being a pure footballer, but i think people, maybe younger people, or on social media have reduced ronaldo a lot to a 'haaland type' which is categorically false. ronaldo was also mesmerizing to watch so the aesthetic/beauty part was def there too... i'm not sure if hazard is more talented or 'purer' in that regard, but i think it's a lot closer than we think
It is insane, that Haaland gets talked about in such a disrespectful way, the guy is an incredibly talented footballer, and he is an extremerly intelligent footballer, reading defenders, finding space, moving in ways that give his team mates more space. Haaland is a beast, at Dortmund he did more flashy stuff like long range shots. But Haaland doesn’t need to do that at City.
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Let me tell you what pure football is, its scoring goals, its assisting those goals, and its creating chances for making those goals. It's not dribbling 3 -4 guys around and not scoring, because scoring and assisting is how you win matches. Well, the reason why messi and ronaldo are considered the greatest players of all time, is because messi is the greatest playmaker of all time, and ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer of all time. These two have stats and flair that not even a thousand hazards could match. And plus who in their sane minds would think that the guy who failed and got crushed by the weight of real madrid's number 7, is better than the guy who won the three peat and is the only guy in history to have been the top scorer of the champions league and top assister for six seasons straight, and holds all records in three various tournaments, the ucl, the club wc and the euro( not the assists part, he is the top scorer).
All this talk about "pure football" is funny considering Hazard was finished the second he lost his explosive acceleration, talk about being reliant on a physical attribute rather than pure ability. In contrast, Ronaldo after 30 lost a big chunk of his pace, agility, balance, and still reigned supreme for another 6-7 years.
I don't disagree with anything that's been said. However i have a question, if "the relationship with the ball" defines pure footballer, does this discard all defenders by virtue of the definition?
Nah you guys disrespected Pippo lol The most untalented player to reach the biggest achievement for me was Stéphane Guivarch' for France 98 World Cup. He finished best goalscorer under Guy Roux at Auxerre the previous season in Ligue 1 and got hyped up. Remember back then Aimé Jacquet was under immense pressure because France was organising the World Cup and also because they had missed the WC 94 in USA. The FFF had to completely rebrand their image and for that had to get rid of the 'toxic' generation (big characters like Cantona, Papin, Ginola), they also had to open Clairefontaine academy (not affiliated to any club) to scout the best talent in the land and give scholarship.
I love the SDS boys, but all of them are either hipster tacticos, G/A merchants or both. Lyes is the only one on that show that talks proper football. Big up 👏👏
I hate this CR7 hard work messi talent narative its the dumbest shit ever. CR7 is a 6'2" speed demon with elite strength stamina agility balance and power. Messi is a diminutive and fairly speedy with OUT OF THIS WORLD agility and balance but nothing in his physiology that in my opinion constitutes saying he is more talented than CR7 because the level of ball control ball minipulation football IQ and seeming genius that he displays are not intrinsic to a person, they are cultivated through years and years of practice and analysis. His spontaneous genius is not anywhere near as pure of a talent as just being a massive athletic freak is. Cr7 with equalised physicals is a mediocre player Cr7 with equalised pure footballing stats is an elite player Messi with equalised pure football is a league 2 player at best Messi with equalised physicals is literally JESUS on the pitch because he is by far the best pure footballer of all time.
I have to agree with the guy there on the meaning of pure footballer, its about a player relationship with the football, what they can do with it, and even then i still think Cr7 is a cut above hazard and a lot if players because everything he attempts, hes atleast top 10 in every category, heading ability hes top 10 ever, when it came to dribbling he had spells when he was amongst top 5, in terms of striking the ball, again top 10 in his peak, one if the best weak foot in football, deadball specialist him in his pump was top 10, skills and ball manipulation hes one of the greatest entertainers in that aspect, plus he also has intangibles like his ball passing and accuracy when he tries, as well as his supernatural awareness where it seems the ball just always seem to find him at the right place at the right time, so on top of his natural attributes for the game, he has monents of brilliance that seems to transcend the meaning of modern football and thus hes compared to legends of the past, cr7 is an anomaly as well even with his increase in body mass his dribbling was still top tier until he got injured, hes all 6'2 mind you theres not a lot of men his size that can move like him.
And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is..there’s no single year hazard had been any better than Ronaldo simple as that!
I think a lot of people forget 06/07 Ronaldo. He was the best creative player and dribbler in the world that year, he then transitioned into more of a goal scorer in the later seasons.
Biggest conspiracy theory is Ronaldo losing his ability to dribble effectively due to his “knee injury” if that were the case how was he still able to jump head and shoulders above everyone else well into his 30s? 🤣
As you said in your reaction, Fais- WTF is a "pure footballer"? Technical ability? Is off-ball movement, positioning, being two-footed not "pure football"? The point of football is to score goals, is that not football in its purest form, then? And not even getting into Cristiano deserving credit for all those things, what does it matter being a better "pure footballer" if it never translated to being anywhere close to as good, nonetheless better than Cris?
@@LyesBouzidi I agree with what yous said for the most part and I do believe cr7 longevity has harmed how some people views his game But I think when he wore number 9 at Real Madrid he was a better player than hazard ever was
Hazard failed at real madrid. If the biggest club in the world with record no of 35 league titles (more than hipster PR pure football mercahnts Barca), 14 european cups (more than PR merchants ajax and barca combined) , highest brand value, highest revenue on an average past 25 years. If real madrid determine they need 'roadrunner' fede valverde over 'pure footballer' pedri , then I am inclined to believe fede valverde is. Better player. To play for real madrid, you need attitude and character. Talent is a long way behind. Busquets the pure footballer wpuldnt last 5 years at madrid
No. Hazard was perhaps a better dribbler than Ronaldo (and mainly in tight space, prime Ronnie 1v1 would smoke 99% of defenders consistently), other than that Ronaldo has him in every thing. Crossing, free kicks, shooting, two footedness, finished, aerial presense, every possible physical attribute etc.
Two footedness? Have to disagree there. As an athlete (which isn’t really related to pure football), Ronaldo is probably best ever maybe besides Bale. Hazard’s intelligence, passing, ball manipulation, close control, ability to play face up and back to goal all better. Hazard could’ve played so many positions on the pitch and been best at it. You find that the players that go TO the ball and not wait to receive ball typically fit the pure footballer type e.g. Neymar, Messi, Hazard, Isco, Modric, Iniesta, Pogba.
@@newrecruit100 Firstly, Ronaldo used to run TOWARDS the ball in the first half of his career, he was even labelled as show pony and selfish because he'd never pass and try to do everything by himself. Secondly, he is more two footed than Hazard , I don't even remember Hazard using his left that often. Ronaldo was great with both feet, especially when it came to striking and crossing (which is why he could play on both wings). The only thing I'd give Hazard is close control and dribbling in small spaces, which was his speciality. For me, the term "pure footballer" is just a way to say someone underachieved given their talent, which is why you always hear this phrase whenever people talk about Hazard, Neymar, Pogba, Ozil etc.
@@De3dSh0t I think we have different definitions of “going towards the ball”. players like Hazard, Neymar, Messi would drop into midfield or the first phase to get the ball. That has never been Ronaldo. Hazard’s best goal ever is with his left foot. Go and watch his goal vs Marseille. What’s ironic is that Hazard was a better ball striker probably with his left foot than his right foot despite being a right footed player. Hazard did not underachieve. Neither did Neymar.
@@newrecruit100 Fam look at any game of Ronaldo pre 2013 and he was dropping deeper to get the ball. Also, his best goals (against Arsenal, Liverpool, West Ham etc) were with his right, and I'm pretty sure Ronaldo scored more with his left than Hazard with both feet. And they did underachieve, Neymar could've been at Ronaldo and Messi level, and he didn't end up even close. And Hazard was washed by 28 because he didn't take the game or his career seriously enough. Ballon d'Or level talents.
Ronaldo wasn't even a better talent than Quaresma, who was the best Portuguese youngsters of that era, he's nowhere as talented as Messi, Neymar, Dinho, R9
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CR7 is not even top 10 all time talent/pure footballer
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@@1recitation a player that has not won most golden boots and never broke any goal or assist record in 38 game season can never be a goat
He was a purer fast food consumer.
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Hazard was a beast but please don’t compare him to Ronaldo. There’s levels to this game.
Hazard is better to watch imo.I understand that Ronaldo wins you games but I prefer to watch Hazard
@@miket7056Please watch ronaldo before his knee injury.
He's not a better footballer than Hazard. He scores goals, cute, but ball at his feet Hazard SMOKES him.
@@Me-gs3uuhave you seen young Ronaldo ? He had the injury which caused him to focus on goals.
@@miket7056 u definitely watched post 2015 Ronaldo if u think that 😂
The “hardworking” rhetoric makes people think cr7 ain’t talented,06-014 prior to his knee injury one of the most complete players I’ve seen & yes he’s more of a pure footballer than hazard.
Hazard didn’t say cr7 wasn’t talented. He just stated he’s more talented in which he’s right. It’s a compliment to CR7 if anything because he even conceded he’s the greater player too
No, he's not. I don't care which CR7 you're taking, whether it's '06 or '09 or '14, he wasn't more of a pure footballer than Hazard. He couldn't torch entire teams like Hazard did. More complete, more succesful etc, yes, but pure footballer, no way.
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 he’s not more talented…
@@Al-ji4gd I’ve seen cr7 torch entire teams if you weren’t old enough just say that lol
Spitting facts cr7 too disrespected
Go watch young Ronaldo. The media called him a trick pony
Hazard was that trick pony for 10 years while carrying his team. When Ronaldo did those tricks pre 2006 WC, he was just another player in the team. Wasn't the main man or something.
@@sagarranjan4585 And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is..there’s no single year hazard had been any better than Ronaldo simple as that!
@@sagarranjan4585hazard don't do tricks 😂
@@sagarranjan4585 Check the ages of both players
I like the new formats you're trying out, it really brings different angles to talking about football especially in conversation with someone else
Ronaldo was a different breed. I don't think that anyone can compete with him and loving the videos Lyes aka my Algerian brother
Messi is clear
Ann all timer for sure. Top-10 all time yep but he is not top-2 or the GOAT. But being compared to Hazard and co. is not it also.
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No, he wasn`t
Cr7 at United when he wasn`t even in his prime(his prime was at Madrid) Is better then any version of Hazard.
@@sagarranjan4585 He was an amazing goalscorer at Madrid, yes, but that was when he was his most complete as an all around player, he could simply do everything attacking wise.
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guardians of football is what it should be called
This convo flowed effortlessly 💯🍾🆙
Consistency on the main channel 🙌🏽 Congrats on the new Pod hype to see what you two coook up
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Already my new favourite pod it’s good to see more of lyes since he has the best ball knowledge on sds as well as Fuad u guys r up there
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It crazy watching these guys..
Lyes has the best football knowledge in football centent creators TBH I acknowledge his football knowledge
The hate watching that comes with Afcon is absolutely hilarious 😭 but the talent 100% improved this year which i love, cant wait for the next one!
This pure footballer thing is mainly what people online like on twitter use for people who are technically gifted, shooting defending and passing are parts of football. So how come when they say pure football they’re only talking mainly about technical ability and dribbling and iq, that doesn’t determine what pure football is. It’s semantics but it needs a better name
we mentioned shooting and passing as aspects of what makes a pure footballer
@@LyesBouzidiohh yeah not you guys I saw that so I changed it but I think that’s how it’s used in other debates which isn’t showing the entire argument
Well maybe because defending, shooting and physicality are attributes that are easier to get or be good at than playmaking, dribbling or game lecture which are attributes that let's say "you have to be born with"
Even if hazard meant that ronaldo changed his playing style to be relevant and that is what he meant, it still does not work, because all that tells us is that Cr7 talent as a forward is all encompassing, he still was one of the greatest striker the game has ever seen, and even in his prime he did it all consistently anyway, so if he stick to one attribute because he has an ankle and knee injury and is getting old, it does not make him less of a pure footballer, his relationship with the ball is still there. Its like having a wife right, but instead of cr7 only being a lover to his wife, hes her friend, her leader, the bearer of her secrets, her right hand, her biggest supporter and fan, and the greatest man she ever knew or know, thats the thing, its like that with ronaldo now, rn he can only be a friend to the football, still love the ball sometimes showing it a good time, but they both understand each other, thats how i read it, so even if hazard mean ronaldo is not pure footballer because he adapted his game, still not the best argument even if the basis of the argument is acceptible, too much gray area.
Loved this!!!! Keep em coming guys
Finally a fun football topic. Imma enjoy this podcast.
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Yes these are the topics i like to hear about tbh
Ronaldo was putting in work but it comes down to who is around you at the time. Ronaldo was playing in a great squad where winning was everything every year his game had to evolve to be more efficient and hazard was allowed to do whatever he wanted in a Chelsea squad that most likely let him
Football isn't for everyone. Hazard is retired at an age when CR7 was winning 3 in a row. The "pure footballer" debate only comes up when you let them know CR7 has the most goals and assists in the UCL.
don’t be a clown, we all know exactly how ronaldo won those ucls
I swear Ronaldo is the most disrespected player of all time, this is unbelievable.
Yes he is, i think people look at current ronaldo not remember what he truly was back then, there was not a player like him
becuase he is overrated af lol @@momotheone9700
Being the best always comes with a price "maybe someone don't like me maybe because i'm too good"
That title belongs to neymar
Yeah fucking funny as hell past 2015 Ronaldo did more in UCL then the supposed goat 😂
Cristiano Ronaldo 2007-2014 you just had to be there man 2nd greatest player of all time for a reason man.
Not even top 10 pure football wise
@@treyyg-rt5kzand can you explain why pure football is?
It's funny how no one regarded Ronaldo as one of the Goats back in his actual prime (2008-2014). It's only when Real Madrid won all those UCLs and hyping football players on social media (Based on stats) became a huge thing, did people start thinking of Ronaldo as a GOAT candidate. When he was way past his prime.
@@shahabuddin2802 ronaldo has never been a goat level player, media created the fake rivalry as it helped them bring in more views/followers which helped them make millions from the fake rivalry
@@theboy2435 your a ronaldo fan hence why you don’t know what pure football is, if you need someone to explain to you then you should stop watching football
yo, im always watching when its lyes and cams. i got a fun idea, a series of guess who game (football edition) with cams and other opponents. Keep it up
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the thing where I disagree is the ‘bigger talent’ bit. pure footballer maybe, but I think a footballer like Haaland is insanely talented just in different aspects of the game.
Thats basically what Hazard is saying. He's better than Ronaldo in different aspects of the game like technique and dribbling. Like in Lampard is better than Zidane in goalscoring but technically on the ball Zidane is better.
Have a few topics to discuss
1.Zizou being the by far best midfielder football has ever seen.He is the only midfielder I hear in goat player convos btw.
2.Dennis Bergkamp is the most underrated player of all time.
More underrated than David villa?
Maradona was a midfielder. Zidane also isn't far better than Iniesta.
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Ronaldo at United is his best phase
He was winning games from Right Midfield
Purest footballers to me are the freedom of expression, creativity and skill. Maradona, Neymar, Dinho, Zidane, Garrincha.
Watch Diego Maradona play, every single touch is magic. A 5 yard pass will be a scooped backheel to a teammate
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@@LyesBouzidi I will be there
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Hazard was good at Chelsea but now he is just bitter about his time at Madrid. But the man has the right to dream. Also depends on what version of Ronaldo we are talking about. 08-14 no but since then may be.
The guys spittin straight facts
Im a Barca fan but the the Saka/Foden discourse is hilarious.
People think that Foden is more technical and Saka is the one that relies more on Pace & Power, when in reality it’s the exact opposite.
Saka is better at receiving and operating in tight spaces, better at combining with teammates, better deliveries and more creative.
Foden is much more explosive. Superior at receiving and playing in big spaces, far quicker in transition, more powerful shooter.
Not to say that Saka is not athletic or that Foden is not excellent technically, which they both are, but the public perception of both has it so so wrong, purely because Foden’s receiving and dribbling style is more aesthetically pleasing. 0 actual analysis goes into it.
Pedri…PURE FOOTBALLER!!!
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They basically echoed my thoughts on this. I think Hazard has an argument if you understand what pure footballer means or the angle he was talking about. This idea that Hazard was way off is ridiculous. He’s one of the greatest talents we’ve seen
I know I'm 5 months late, but I just saw this video and personally, Pure footballer to me means, most naturally gifted. Players that, despite their physical nature (advantageous or not) ,were able to be flawless with the ball. People like Maradonna, Pele, Ronaldinho, R9, Cruyff, Neymar, Henry, Messi (GOAT), Zidane, Suarez, Pogba, Modric and even Zlatan Ibrahimovic, in my opinion are the perfect examples of this. These players were beautiful to watch while all being vastly different sizes and shapes. Ironically, what connects them all is their amazing natural ability playing with the ball. For this reason, while I dont think Hazard is a better player than Ronaldo, I do think he arguably is a more naturally gifted player. We look back at how special he was and that's with him not training or taking his health too seriously. Ronaldo was massively talented, but we saw, with age, his grace on the ball decline rather rapidly. These other players never declined with their ball ability, they have just lost their physicality with age.
Isn’t Ronaldo naturally gifted too tho? I’d argue someone being able to shoot with both feet, complete 20 dribbles in a game, have heading ability, top level athletic ability, being able to shoot from long distances and score, excellent decision making and positioning is a more naturally gifted player. I can agree that Hazard is a better dribbler but I believe there’s more to “Pure Football” than just dribbling and Ronaldo beats Hazard in all of that, other than Messi Ronaldo is the most complete attacking player of all time.And keeping in mind he isn’t a bad dribbler either, completing over 1000 dribbles and being top 5 all time in that stat. Isn’t a player with all these abilities more naturally gifted?
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Messi is the definition of a 'pure footballer'
And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is
@@theboy2435 Who mentioned Ronaldo mate?
looooooooooooooooooooooooooool @@theboy2435
@@d1ordk808this video is about Ronaldo
@@theboy2435 don’t be ridiculous 😂 messi was better by far during most of those years. 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 (injured Messi), all better then ronaldo 😂
Now, the change point made by Cams about Ronaldo is where I feel Hazard is going with it
Even though I know what Hazard means, in the heat of the Messi Ronaldo rivalry, nobody had the balls to say this out loud, aside from Griezmann.
Hazard's one my favorite players, but it's a very easy thing to say in today's climate when the intensity died down. Also I prefer to not compare anyone with Messi & Ronaldo anyways.
But for me, a pure footballer is someone who makes football look effortless, plays the game elegantly and oozes creativity & technical ability. Everyone who's played football competitively at any level knows there are always your physical players, intelligent players, hard workers, efficient wingers, solid CB's, relentless rightbacks, etc. They can all have a great game or even decide games, but guaranteed at the end of the game, EVERYONE on that pitch will remember who the real ballers were. First touch, control, composure, elegance, flair, intelligence, creativity, technique, instinct, vision, passing, finishing, dribbling. A player who has has acombination of these attributes and simplifies it to make football look effortless is a pure footballer.
Spot on. Totally agree with you
Just to contextualize the emphasis that being a pure baller has on the perception of players' greatness the new phase of the “ goat “ potentially will be Halaand Vrs Mbappe and despite Halaand’s goal-scoring ability Mbappe much like his predecessor Messi will be viewed as a better player due to being his pure footballing ability .
Amazing video, very rare to see this level of insight into the intricacies of the game
Got an interesting thought experiment for you, if you had to make up a team of one player playing every outfield position with Courtois/Alisson in goal, which player would be the best in the world? Eg:Courtois + 10x Rodri vs Courtois vs 10x John Stones.
Call this segment ”we need to talk-football”
You don’t even need to go that far back to know how humongous of a footballling talent Ronaldo was, he cut short his game play to facilitate goal scoring as his teams needed. But we forgetting the goal Nani stole from him, the bicycle kicks, the heel cut backs that left man on the floor..
like you guys said, i think people (inc. hazard maybe?) have forgotten how ronaldo used to play before 2017 ish, when he adapted his game because of his physical levels to be more of an output machine/goalscorer (adapting to his new strengths and roles, which a lot of players fail to do as they age). i think before that ronaldo was definitely a supreme 'pure footballer' in terms of dribbling, passing, ball-striking, IQ, almost anything. i get where hazard's coming from, and he was definitely up there with them and neymar etc in terms of being a pure footballer, but i think people, maybe younger people, or on social media have reduced ronaldo a lot to a 'haaland type' which is categorically false. ronaldo was also mesmerizing to watch so the aesthetic/beauty part was def there too... i'm not sure if hazard is more talented or 'purer' in that regard, but i think it's a lot closer than we think
It is insane, that Haaland gets talked about in such a disrespectful way, the guy is an incredibly talented footballer, and he is an extremerly intelligent footballer, reading defenders, finding space, moving in ways that give his team mates more space.
Haaland is a beast, at Dortmund he did more flashy stuff like long range shots.
But Haaland doesn’t need to do that at City.
Lyés you should call the show one of these names:
- living room/lounge talks?
- pure football pod
- generational talents
- the egregious pod 😂
- world class talk
- the REAL show
- the cult show
- lyes and cams talks (basic name)
- Cremé de la Cremé? 😅
- purist podcast
- rising stars
Guys add more in replies if u have any ideas
Let me tell you what pure football is, its scoring goals, its assisting those goals, and its creating chances for making those goals. It's not dribbling 3 -4 guys around and not scoring, because scoring and assisting is how you win matches. Well, the reason why messi and ronaldo are considered the greatest players of all time, is because messi is the greatest playmaker of all time, and ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer of all time. These two have stats and flair that not even a thousand hazards could match. And plus who in their sane minds would think that the guy who failed and got crushed by the weight of real madrid's number 7, is better than the guy who won the three peat and is the only guy in history to have been the top scorer of the champions league and top assister for six seasons straight, and holds all records in three various tournaments, the ucl, the club wc and the euro( not the assists part, he is the top scorer).
The difference between good and great players especially in the past was the intangibles because if we go by numbers only muller is better than zizou
People really forgetting how talented Ronaldo was. Man is 6’2 dribbling like he’s 5’7 blowing past players with ease.
For the best pure footballers are the ones who can manipulate the opponent without even touching the ball.
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These lads are young Cr7 was a better dribbler than hazard in the prem then was a better dribbler again in Real Madrid
Watched CR7s debut at United🫡. Seen his whole career. Hazard a better dribbler
Can you get me a drink from the shop mate?
Cams get up and get ur own drink 😅
All this talk about "pure football" is funny considering Hazard was finished the second he lost his explosive acceleration, talk about being reliant on a physical attribute rather than pure ability.
In contrast, Ronaldo after 30 lost a big chunk of his pace, agility, balance, and still reigned supreme for another 6-7 years.
I’m so excitedddd
I don't disagree with anything that's been said. However i have a question, if "the relationship with the ball" defines pure footballer, does this discard all defenders by virtue of the definition?
Well yeah lol. They’re defenders for a reason lol (at least most). And I’m pretty sure we “pure defenders”. That’s what it’s dubbed.
@@newrecruit100 fairs, but pure defenders and pure footballers are two very different concepts.
Name the show..The Eye Test!!
Call this podcast "Does Cams Wear Socks With His Yeezy Slides?" Cold fucking drip.
25:06 don't forget lingard
Pure hooper = pure footballer
Nah you guys disrespected Pippo lol
The most untalented player to reach the biggest achievement for me was Stéphane Guivarch' for France 98 World Cup.
He finished best goalscorer under Guy Roux at Auxerre the previous season in Ligue 1 and got hyped up.
Remember back then Aimé Jacquet was under immense pressure because France was organising the World Cup and also because they had missed the WC 94 in USA.
The FFF had to completely rebrand their image and for that had to get rid of the 'toxic' generation (big characters like Cantona, Papin, Ginola), they also had to open Clairefontaine academy (not affiliated to any club) to scout the best talent in the land and give scholarship.
this is an unbelievable shout🤣🤝
I love the SDS boys, but all of them are either hipster tacticos, G/A merchants or both. Lyes is the only one on that show that talks proper football. Big up 👏👏
Yeah fr. Lyes and abs are the only legit ones.
He’s a proper pseudo intellectual
Hazard vs Ronaldo . As a pure football . Goto Google who is the best dribller in the world then check out rank of Ronaldo and hazard . Debate is over
How ur could say some maybe the injury did you hear what them told him after that injury he was supposed to play football for long after that
Hazard is not a better pure footballer, Ronaldo just decided he wanted to prioritise being a winner more than an entertainer
Exactly
Feel this isn’t even true. When he won’t Balon D’or first time he was still an entertainer.
I hate this CR7 hard work messi talent narative its the dumbest shit ever.
CR7 is a 6'2" speed demon with elite strength stamina agility balance and power.
Messi is a diminutive and fairly speedy with OUT OF THIS WORLD agility and balance but nothing in his physiology that in my opinion constitutes saying he is more talented than CR7 because the level of ball control ball minipulation football IQ and seeming genius that he displays are not intrinsic to a person, they are cultivated through years and years of practice and analysis. His spontaneous genius is not anywhere near as pure of a talent as just being a massive athletic freak is.
Cr7 with equalised physicals is a mediocre player
Cr7 with equalised pure footballing stats is an elite player
Messi with equalised pure football is a league 2 player at best
Messi with equalised physicals is literally JESUS on the pitch because he is by far the best pure footballer of all time.
About damn time !
Lyes please keep doing this consistently.
FYI: Eden is more joyful to watch than Cristiano.
new episode every week!
I have to agree with the guy there on the meaning of pure footballer, its about a player relationship with the football, what they can do with it, and even then i still think Cr7 is a cut above hazard and a lot if players because everything he attempts, hes atleast top 10 in every category, heading ability hes top 10 ever, when it came to dribbling he had spells when he was amongst top 5, in terms of striking the ball, again top 10 in his peak, one if the best weak foot in football, deadball specialist him in his pump was top 10, skills and ball manipulation hes one of the greatest entertainers in that aspect, plus he also has intangibles like his ball passing and accuracy when he tries, as well as his supernatural awareness where it seems the ball just always seem to find him at the right place at the right time, so on top of his natural attributes for the game, he has monents of brilliance that seems to transcend the meaning of modern football and thus hes compared to legends of the past, cr7 is an anomaly as well even with his increase in body mass his dribbling was still top tier until he got injured, hes all 6'2 mind you theres not a lot of men his size that can move like him.
And what is pure football bro? Ronaldo from 2006 to 2014 was an absolute monstrosity,literally an entertainer and could shoot from anywhere and score..two quick feet ,heading ability,dribbling,free kicks,too many abilities in just one man plus longevity..If that’s not pure football then idk what pure football is..there’s no single year hazard had been any better than Ronaldo simple as that!
@@theboy2435 i agree with you i dont think hazard was better either
This is a bad take man
Hoping for an amazing content
Finally man
Lyes and Cam live together?
I don't think Ronaldo is a better talent than hazard but Ronaldo maximized his talent more than anyone else I've seen bar kobe
I think a lot of people forget 06/07 Ronaldo. He was the best creative player and dribbler in the world that year, he then transitioned into more of a goal scorer in the later seasons.
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Biggest conspiracy theory is Ronaldo losing his ability to dribble effectively due to his “knee injury” if that were the case how was he still able to jump head and shoulders above everyone else well into his 30s? 🤣
As you said in your reaction, Fais- WTF is a "pure footballer"? Technical ability? Is off-ball movement, positioning, being two-footed not "pure football"? The point of football is to score goals, is that not football in its purest form, then? And not even getting into Cristiano deserving credit for all those things, what does it matter being a better "pure footballer" if it never translated to being anywhere close to as good, nonetheless better than Cris?
Big bro hearted my comment even though I dead thought Faisal posted a part two on his channel with you guys discussing the comments, my fault dawg 😭
Even peak hazard don’t compare to United CR7
Need champions league content too
As a pure baller hazard over Ronaldo as a pure baller. Hazard has more natural talent
Switched off as soon as they entertainer the idea of Hazard being the better talen than Cr7
Ignorance from you mate
Haven’t watch yet but the disrespect cr7 is getting nowadays is crazy to me the title is disrespectful
watch then!
@@LyesBouzidi I agree with what yous said for the most part and I do believe cr7 longevity has harmed how some people views his game
But I think when he wore number 9 at Real Madrid he was a better player than hazard ever was
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Hazard failed at real madrid. If the biggest club in the world with record no of 35 league titles (more than hipster PR pure football mercahnts Barca), 14 european cups (more than PR merchants ajax and barca combined) , highest brand value, highest revenue on an average past 25 years. If real madrid determine they need 'roadrunner' fede valverde over 'pure footballer' pedri , then I am inclined to believe fede valverde is. Better player. To play for real madrid, you need attitude and character. Talent is a long way behind. Busquets the pure footballer wpuldnt last 5 years at madrid
No. Hazard was perhaps a better dribbler than Ronaldo (and mainly in tight space, prime Ronnie 1v1 would smoke 99% of defenders consistently), other than that Ronaldo has him in every thing.
Crossing, free kicks, shooting, two footedness, finished, aerial presense, every possible physical attribute etc.
Two footedness? Have to disagree there. As an athlete (which isn’t really related to pure football), Ronaldo is probably best ever maybe besides Bale. Hazard’s intelligence, passing, ball manipulation, close control, ability to play face up and back to goal all better. Hazard could’ve played so many positions on the pitch and been best at it. You find that the players that go TO the ball and not wait to receive ball typically fit the pure footballer type e.g. Neymar, Messi, Hazard, Isco, Modric, Iniesta, Pogba.
@@newrecruit100 Firstly, Ronaldo used to run TOWARDS the ball in the first half of his career, he was even labelled as show pony and selfish because he'd never pass and try to do everything by himself.
Secondly, he is more two footed than Hazard , I don't even remember Hazard using his left that often. Ronaldo was great with both feet, especially when it came to striking and crossing (which is why he could play on both wings).
The only thing I'd give Hazard is close control and dribbling in small spaces, which was his speciality.
For me, the term "pure footballer" is just a way to say someone underachieved given their talent, which is why you always hear this phrase whenever people talk about Hazard, Neymar, Pogba, Ozil etc.
@@De3dSh0t I think we have different definitions of “going towards the ball”. players like Hazard, Neymar, Messi would drop into midfield or the first phase to get the ball. That has never been Ronaldo. Hazard’s best goal ever is with his left foot. Go and watch his goal vs Marseille. What’s ironic is that Hazard was a better ball striker probably with his left foot than his right foot despite being a right footed player. Hazard did not underachieve. Neither did Neymar.
@@newrecruit100These CR7 fans boys are just in their feelings. Proving consistently that they don't know anything about football.
@@newrecruit100 Fam look at any game of Ronaldo pre 2013 and he was dropping deeper to get the ball.
Also, his best goals (against Arsenal, Liverpool, West Ham etc) were with his right, and I'm pretty sure Ronaldo scored more with his left than Hazard with both feet.
And they did underachieve, Neymar could've been at Ronaldo and Messi level, and he didn't end up even close. And Hazard was washed by 28 because he didn't take the game or his career seriously enough. Ballon d'Or level talents.
Hazard tweaked😂 Ronaldo 08 level of talent is up there with Messi, Dihno, Neymar, R9 etc, hazard never reached that level
Ronaldo wasn't even a better talent than Quaresma, who was the best Portuguese youngsters of that era, he's nowhere as talented as Messi, Neymar, Dinho, R9
@@OMman10quaresma is almost 2 years older than ronaldo man ronaldo is more talented then him
If youre asking in terms of higher floor then yh Hazard has a higher floor but better purer footballer?? Lmao
@culturecams Is Mudryk this generation's Bébé? 🤔
Lmao I would love y'all's take on CONCACAF - it's always got some bullshit going on haha
Yeah Malala might be a great human but I’m more of a pure human. I just never applied my human qualities