Tax payers contribute to the NHS through their wage packet. It’s not free, and it certainly doesn’t need anymore money thrown at it. It’s needs management
The issue with the NHS is that the Tories installed private companies to administer it, so they employ less qualified people, paying them less and charging huge administration fees. Its estimated that 12% of the NHS budget is going to these private firms.
The NHS needs more money because the UK population is getting older. As the population gets older, the need for care increases. During their 14 years in power the Tories decreased the budget of the NHS significantly. In 2010 the waiting time to access the emergency service was 1 hour and 30 minutes maximum. Before COVID, it was 4 hours. Currently it's up to 6 hours.
@@michaelandrews6786 No Blair introduced a load of unnecessary management positions and the left wing activists within the nhs made it a political tool. When has Labour ever improved the nhs? Labour is in government now, has it improved at all? No, it hasn’t.
@@HomeGrownVeg for saying For in that day each one will reject his worthless gods of silver and his valueless gods of gold, which your own hands sinfully made.
@@HomeGrownVeg persecution so jesus had authority by being loyal to god he could choose to be loyal to god to the very end submitting himself to this death and he would have authority to take back his life because he knew that god would be obligated to give it back to him if jesus had been disloyal he would not have received his soul back again so his destiny was in his odwn hands you might say one more passage i'd like to share with you is in uh hebrews chapter five i should have put some bookmarkers in here now chapter 5 verse 7 it says in the days of his flesh christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the one who was able to save him out of death with strong outcries and tears and he was favorably heard for his godly fear now jesus didn't fear himself did he it plainly says that god was able to save him from death and by jesus being loyal to him jehovah did in fact save him from death he was dead for parts of three days and then he
No the nhs should not be means tested I’ve paid into it for 33 years I’m waiting for chemotherapy because they found cancer which I had twice in 10 years Without the chemotherapy I’d likely die Not everyone can afford to pay for treatment I can’t afford private healthcare
Do you deserve your care? Absolutely. But not because you've paid for it. You will in no way have paid enough to cover the care you get. In the 2 years before his death I worked out my father cost the NHS over £180.000 in care using private insurance rates. He did not pay for that in his lifetime of tax payments. The NHS is a fantasy system used nowhere else in the world and ultimately unsustainable.
@paulbrightwell Isn't it hilarious! Wailing on about Starmer getting freebies, about Labour's hypocrisy etc and here they are with the oleaginous felon Mr Archer, he of the fragrant wife, lecturing to the gulls. Not to mention a parade of Cons culpable for the shambles of The Disunited Kingdom invited to pontificate after their disastrous run in government. Are memories really this short or is hypocrisy and bare-faced effrontery mushrooming exponentially on this programme? Criticise the government by all means; but remind yourselves, GMB, who drove the country into the ground.
He sold some fraudulent paintings he copied and passed them off as original 😂 he hasn't hurt anyone vulnerable and poor He ripped off millionaires who can afford to buy an original of Van Gogh. You don't have the average John trying to put food on the table going to buy original pieces at an art gallery. If anything it's hilarious. He served his time. Who cares!
@@chrysalis4126 You kept neglecting all my advice And rejecting my reproof, They refused my advice; They disrespected all my reproof. I possess good advice and practical wisdom; Understanding and power are mine. The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, But the wise one accepts advice. Presumptuousness leads only to strife, But wisdom belongs to those who seek advice.
All benefits should be means tested. Winter fuel allowance should be available for anyone with very low incomes but NOT for those who don't need it. I am a pensioner with a household income more than twice the national average . I know plenty of greedy pensioners who spend their days on the golf course and take four holidays a year. It's crazy to give money to people who don't need it just because they are of pension age.
@@klausvoor I would agree, but the issue is here in the UK the state pension levels are so pitifully low that even if you miss out on pension credit by a small amount, you're still in abject poverty. To qualify for pension credit as a single person, your income needs to be below around £11400 a year. That needs to be significantly higher before we can use it as a cut off point for means testing.
@@mrbrit1218 You have very clearly identified the problem and I agree with you completely. Lowering the threshold for pension credit would help those who need it the most.
Why? The state pension is lavish and most of it is available to spend on luxuries after food and heating have been taken into account. It is £11,500 per annum, unearned and untaxed if one's only income, and will rise to £12,000 per annum from April. It is also paid for by other, generally younger working people who have to build their own lives in difficult financial circumstances.
@@MarkPayne-ss6yu its not 'lavish' and food, heating, council tax, etc. take up most of it, i know i live with parents who are pensioners, one getting full state pension, one not, about a 3rd of it ..and is half that of the minimum wage , dont forget many pensioners often have to pay rent , and sometime still paying a mortgage
@davefish Who doesn't want you to use the NHS? Anyone can suddenly find they or their family needs to use the NHS. It's an insurance system and the cheapest one you'll ever pay into. As soon as private interests are involved, the costs multiply for everyone.
Means testing for medical treatment isnt right. We need to check that people receiving treatment are entitled to it and stop putting right all these botched plastic surgery ops that have been done abroad. People also need to realise that not everything is curable and take some responsibility for their own health
We don't get free medical treatment when travelling abroad, needs to be renamed International Health Service, stop treating those who have not contributed
I barely troubled the NHS most of my life. Now my health is slightly fading, I can't get access while illegal immigrants can. It's not in the gift of rancid unions to decide who gets access.
Jeffrey Archer. Now, what was he charged with? Something about money in a brown paper bag, no? Meeting on a bridge? Fragrant wife? Great friend of Margaret. Has this program been renamed Rehabilitation and Redemption Hour? Who's next? Truss?
No the nhs should not be means tested I’ve paid into it for 33 years I’m waiting for chemotherapy because they found cancer which I had twice in 10 years Without the chemotherapy I’d likely die
@@peeg09 @ColCurmudgeon They're the exact same party with a different colour logo, put 2 and 2 together will you. This football team politics is why nothing will ever change, vote for a third party or don't even bother.
@@peeg09they did exactly what Labour wanted them to do, gave the nhs more money every single year. Now Labour are in charge, yet the nhs hasn’t improved at all. Labours fault.
Private treatment is given by NHS staff and at times in NHS beds. It’s often nothing more than queue jumping bec you can afford to pay. Should never happen.
NHS equipment is often used because private hospitals don't have all the latest gear. Plus private hospitals pass patients over to NHS specialists because they can't carry out certain procedures. Since everyone pays into the NHS, that sounds fair. Except if, as you suggest, the private patient is really paying in order to queue jump.
Yeah, I've worked in the NHS, and private patients just get pushed to the front of the queue and have a parasitic relationship with the rest of the NHS system as a whole.
As long as the nhs continues to provide free treatment to foreign nationals no way should it’s services be limited for British citizens. The fuel benefit can be means tested as long as it is done fairly and the current cost of living is taken into account. That said, I think that introduction of a rule requiring all visitors to the uk including immigrants to have full health insurance would be a massive help to the nhs. Ordering the energy companies to reduce their prices significantly and removing all of the eco taxes would be of significant benefit to the population. (Look up their profits from the last few years)
the NHS is so very wasteful ever since they open a packet of very expensive tools, use 1 and then throw them all away, go back to steaming and reusing tools
Nothing to do with the almost 6 million claims on it from the wealthy pensioners? Oh no, they stole your £300, but lets just forget pensions go UP £400 next year. Sigh.
@@SueRose-z3j if the useless government Conservatives and this new lot got to grips with the greedy gas and electric companies and ditched Net Zero no one would need a fuel allowance!
@@louisewalters2176 this conversation is ridiculous. Why are you setting up the elderly against the disabled! Direct your anger at the right people! If you vote, try ditching the two main parties and vote Reform! It’s worth a try, as if nothing ever changes, it’s never going to.
Archer`s operation done on the NHS which he exclaims he should have paid for. My response to him is why did you not just go private, if it pains you so much to use the NHS when you have such vast wealth? These type of people say one thing in public and another when out of the spotlight.
Sunak can well afford to go Private and free up the NHS and he says he would and does. Yet Starmer says he would use tbe NHS and not go Private? If you can well afford £100,000+ for Private Health Care for Cancer Treatment, and don't want to wait then why not free up space for the NHS? On the other hand if you have paid into the Health System then regardless of your wealth you are just as intitled to it as anyone else. The NHS should not be means tested under any circumstances.
@@peruvator6211 quite the opposite, my mother and father were always there for me. We were brought up in a with loving parents and taught to work hard for what we want. I’m just sick of free loaders!!!!
@@sabrinaHirad I know a few people that have had to get bank loans out to pay for private operations because the NHS was telling them they they might be seen about their problems in 18 months
£12,000 per annum is better than my £11,500 per annum and I consider that unearned and untaxed sum to be lavish and ample for many luxuries after food and heating costs.
Suzzanna I use to like her but I wish she understand it’s not all about pensioners going cold ,the disabled people of all ages don’t get anyone fighting for them it’s all about pensioners if only disabled people got £200 or £300 to help them . We all were told we have to take the brunt but pensioners think it shouldn’t be them there’s a chaos now but as soon as they say disabled people get back to work no chaos on that . If only passion was on all sides.
Means tested , So , someone works for 50 Years , pays in all their lives , saves a bit , lives within their means , puts something by for a rainy Day and times comes for NHS or fuel payments , gets nothing , whilst those who never worked , never put anything in , never put anything by for a rainy Day , gets everything , and more , for free , courtesy of the workers .
Nobody is saying that the richest should not get the winter allowance. It should be means tested but the bar is too low. He can say that but if you have 12000 a year to live on then this is life threatening.
It’s seems people think it’s the NHS or American style health care as a choice but there are many health care systems in Europe which mix things up with public and private and have better outcome than we do. The NHS is there to serve the people but it seems it’s often the other way round.
Then why are we paying NI? Let people who go private to opt out. If people have to go private, it could cost a lot, only a real multi-millionaire with multi-million guaranteed income can feel absolutely protected without universal healthcare. But people on 100K who actually pay 30K in taxes, won't be able to afford an cancer treatment out of pocket. They will have to pay insurance premiums that will be maybe 300-500 a month. So it would be fair that they can get their NI back and pay for a private insurance instead
I was recently diagnosed with type two diabetes, which my years of essential heart medication following two rounds of surgery pushed me to. When I attended the GP practice peptalk, I was the only one in the room under twenty stone and over fifty years old. I am seventy). A few months on I am the only one not trying to control the condition through medication rather than diet.
You may think they are 💩but they’ve made him £ millions 💷💷💷💷💷 I’ve never read them but evidently many gave and have enjoyed them so, you’re opinion is in the minority.
@@RiseOfTheMachines-s7u such a minority that he still made £millions from his books 😆 Apparently he had 25 ‘best selling’ books. According to Amazon: “Jeffrey Archer is one of the world's bestselling authors, with sales of over 275 million copies in 97 countries, and is the only author ever to have been a number one bestseller in fiction (twenty times), short stories (four times) and non-fiction (The Prison Diaries).”
This man is in a good position to do that but y sud high earners pay privet wen they contribute loads to the NHS through there 40% tax. How about letting people opt out of paying 40% tax and then don’t get the NHS
Rich people don't neeed the £300 winter fuel allowance....in fact I've heard about rich or comfortably off people who put the money towards their holidays abroad! There are people who can't afford to pay their heating, or even a holiday in their own country!
I had a knee done 7 years ago and I paid for that. You didn't need to have it on the NHS. I was a secretary. I own a small one bedroomed flat. Kitchen on the back wall. I have a bit put bye for repairs, service charge and major works. I shop in charity shops so that I can deal with whatever pops up. I haven't even applied for a bus pass, though an uber for £35, means I may need to apply for a bus pass. I would probably fail the means test. I sit here, no heating with a blanket over me on the sofa. One, in all conscience should forward anything they are unable to return to a charity organisation supporting low income people.
Well said, Anna. I depend on the state pension and consider it to be lavish. Food bills £1,500 a year. Heating bills for an average home £2,000 a year. That leaves £8,000 a year for luxuries, from a pension of "11,500 a year rising to £12,000 a year from April. We have degenerated onto a nation of moaners, whiners, professional victims, moon-howlers and hate-trolls. And that is just the vicarious ones bawling for political and me-too personal validation. If these all were Olympic sports, the UK would take gold, silver and bronze in every one.
Couldn’t help but smile at Billy. He seems such a gentle soul, and clearly has a great artistic talent for copying. Thankfully, he can be loud and proud about all of it now.
Why should people who are prudent, and don't squander their money on holidays, flash cars, and nights out be punished? Many try to keep some money by for emergency treatment. The NHS can leave you crippled and in agony for years with a defective hip or knee. You need around £20,000 to get it treated privately! Need a root canal on a rear molar? The NHS won't do this. They will pull your tooth. Getting it done privately and then having a Zirconia crown will save that tooth. I've had two teeth saved this way, but you won't see much change from £1,500 for each tooth.
If it will be means tested then we shouldn't pay into it through our taxes. Why pay into something you can't use because you earn too much. Rich people will not pay into it, if they have to pay private health insurance. That's the only answer which will shut it down
Jeffrey Archer makes a valid argument, but as a multi millionaire. Many pensioners are nowhere near his income, but have saved to have a nest egg. Unfortunately we don’t have a sell by date and our future though limited is uncertain. I am continually dipping into my savings . I can get by without the winter fuel money for now, but it would have been a nice bonus.
He who can afford it , could have donated to the NHS but I am not a millionaire . I’ve worked as a public servant for 35 years and paid all my taxes and saved for my retirement paying for any treatment I might need would wipe me out !
Can't you do better than interviewing a person who was jailed for four years in 1987 for perjury. What does Archer have to say that can be of any interest to normal non-criminal people?
Haha what a muppet, so he took treatment on the NHS and then just what.. felt guilty about it? Martin Lewis made the point so obvious a child could have got there... err.. why didnt you just pay for private then? As usual with these grumpy old boomers, they are 100% talk and zero action..
no. universal programs are good. just cause you’re rich today doesn’t mean you’re rich tomorrow. america had a huge problem during covid because they used the previous years earnings as a means test to validate if someone was worthy of help. but obviously people lost their jobs lol if you don’t need it when you get it. donate it.
It doesn't have to lose its universality though. France, Germany and Australia are all universal systems where those that can afford it are legally required to pay for insurance
Agree, universal program also has the benefit of reducing administrative overhead to verify eligibility and avoid argument about edge cases, saving the government a lot of money.
If the NHS was to be Means Tested, any savings that you have will be taken into account which may mean selling your home, during or after treatment? There are plenty ways of savings money without higher Taxes, it's just a case of how you spend the money within the Country, Charity begins at home as they say?
It does not matter if your a millioner or min pension pensioner we all paaid into the system so why should we not have the 300,give it to charity because they need it?
Let's be fair to Archer, he has served his sentence and looks like he learned his lesson. But Starmer is no where near as astute as Thatcher, he's not in the same league politically.
This popped up on my feed for some reason . I have avoided his programme for years and watching this hasn’t changed my view it’s almost amateurish and why Archer ? Barrel and scraping all over selling a book
With the loss of WFA ,millions of State pensioners, under the old system, will now be `treading water` financially, during this parliament, because they really will be no better off. Whatever politicians say about the triple lock, £300 is lost from any rise each April, making the extra top up look risible and decidedly small.
The NHS should get the foreign people who come here from abroad just to use the service t9 pay first and that includes illegal migrants if they haven’t paid for it they don’t get access to the services. When I go abroad I have to either take out an insurance policy or pay out of my own pocket for any medical treatment.
Unless you're going to charge for other things the admin cost of setting up a payments system just isn't worth it. Those who are here on a work visa already pay an annual charge to use it so this would only apply to tourists which is a very small group
@@PJH13 when 1 person costs the NHS 500,000.00 because she chose to come here to have her babies others come here with heart problems because it’s cheaper to get a flight than pay for medical treatment in their own country why should we the tax payers pick up their bills they wouldn’t if the boot was on the other foot you would get minimum care if you were lucky.
@@sandraoneill4431 Morally I can empathise with you. Practically though, no birth costs close to what you suggest and the total of these costs is too small to make it worth setting up a payment system, unless we used it to charge for other things
I think we really need to start again in terms of what is covered by the NHS Start with only operations that are medically needed Anything linked to mental health should be seperated out Special nursing homes need to be oped to stop bed blocking in hospitals by old people
Tax payers contribute to the NHS through their wage packet. It’s not free, and it certainly doesn’t need anymore money thrown at it. It’s needs management
The issue with the NHS is that the Tories installed private companies to administer it, so they employ less qualified people, paying them less and charging huge administration fees. Its estimated that 12% of the NHS budget is going to these private firms.
The NHS needs more money because the UK population is getting older. As the population gets older, the need for care increases. During their 14 years in power the Tories decreased the budget of the NHS significantly. In 2010 the waiting time to access the emergency service was 1 hour and 30 minutes maximum. Before COVID, it was 4 hours. Currently it's up to 6 hours.
@@michaelandrews6786
No Blair introduced a load of unnecessary management positions and the left wing activists within the nhs made it a political tool.
When has Labour ever improved the nhs?
Labour is in government now, has it improved at all? No, it hasn’t.
@@The3Pragmaticthe nhs has been given more money every year since 2002, has it got better?
No it hasn’t, so more money isn’t the answer is it?
@@michaelandrews6786
When was the budget reduced exactly?
By how much?
You can guarantee the MP's expenses won't be means tested though!
The NHS is already means tested , Its go private or wait 4 years for a knee replacement at £16000 a go
If you go to a private dentist for the first time be aware you may need to 'rob a bank' to pay for the treatment however minor it is.
@@HomeGrownVeg for saying For in that day each one will reject his worthless gods of silver and his valueless gods of gold, which your own hands sinfully made.
@@davidantonucci1161 That's too deep for me David, What does in mean in 'plain speak' ?
@@HomeGrownVeg persecution so jesus had authority by
being loyal to god he could choose to be
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his life
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obligated to give it back to him
if jesus had been disloyal he would not
have received his soul back again
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hebrews chapter five
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petitions to the one
who was able to save him out of death
with strong outcries and tears and he
was
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No the nhs should not be means tested
I’ve paid into it for 33 years
I’m waiting for chemotherapy because they found cancer which I had twice in 10 years
Without the chemotherapy I’d likely die
Not everyone can afford to pay for treatment
I can’t afford private healthcare
Do you deserve your care? Absolutely. But not because you've paid for it. You will in no way have paid enough to cover the care you get. In the 2 years before his death I worked out my father cost the NHS over £180.000 in care using private insurance rates. He did not pay for that in his lifetime of tax payments. The NHS is a fantasy system used nowhere else in the world and ultimately unsustainable.
Isn’t that the point you said you can’t afford it so you would get help the people who can afford it wouldn’t
It belongs to us, our ancestors paid for it too
Private health care costs me £80,000 for one course of Cancer treatment
Of course it's WORTH IT. FOR WHO is the real QUESTION❓
She died anyway.😢
@@oddball7483 sorry to hear that.... wonder why its so expensive.... ?
Hysterical - GMB bring on an individual convicted and jailed for perjury to preach about ethics!
@paulbrightwell
Isn't it hilarious! Wailing on about Starmer getting freebies, about Labour's hypocrisy etc and here they are with the oleaginous felon Mr Archer, he of the fragrant wife, lecturing to the gulls.
Not to mention a parade of Cons culpable for the shambles of The Disunited Kingdom invited to pontificate after their disastrous run in government.
Are memories really this short or is hypocrisy and bare-faced effrontery mushrooming exponentially on this programme?
Criticise the government by all means; but remind yourselves, GMB, who drove the country into the ground.
Bring in a specialist 😂😂😂
He sold some fraudulent paintings he copied and passed them off as original 😂 he hasn't hurt anyone vulnerable and poor He ripped off millionaires who can afford to buy an original of Van Gogh. You don't have the average John trying to put food on the table going to buy original pieces at an art gallery. If anything it's hilarious. He served his time. Who cares!
@BP
I didn't realise Jeffrey also painted.
@@barbarajones9385 not him. His friend
He's an ex convict, why are they asking him for his opinions?.
@@chrysalis4126 You kept neglecting all my advice And rejecting my reproof,
They refused my advice; They disrespected all my reproof.
I possess good advice and practical wisdom; Understanding and power are mine.
The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, But the wise one accepts advice.
Presumptuousness leads only to strife, But wisdom belongs to those who seek advice.
He is "EX".
Because we all have an opinion
Because they are nearly all heading in the direction of one day being "es convicts".
Monica Cochlan RIP
If you are a pensioner on less than 20k a year fuel allowance should be given.
All benefits should be means tested. Winter fuel allowance should be available for anyone with very low incomes but NOT for those who don't need it. I am a pensioner with a household income more than twice the national average . I know plenty of greedy pensioners who spend their days on the golf course and take four holidays a year. It's crazy to give money to people who don't need it just because they are of pension age.
@@klausvoor I would agree, but the issue is here in the UK the state pension levels are so pitifully low that even if you miss out on pension credit by a small amount, you're still in abject poverty. To qualify for pension credit as a single person, your income needs to be below around £11400 a year. That needs to be significantly higher before we can use it as a cut off point for means testing.
@@mrbrit1218 You have very clearly identified the problem and I agree with you completely. Lowering the threshold for pension credit would help those who need it the most.
Why? The state pension is lavish and most of it is available to spend on luxuries after food and heating have been taken into account. It is £11,500 per annum, unearned and untaxed if one's only income, and will rise to £12,000 per annum from April. It is also paid for by other, generally younger working people who have to build their own lives in difficult financial circumstances.
@@MarkPayne-ss6yu its not 'lavish' and food, heating, council tax, etc. take up most of it, i know i live with parents who are pensioners, one getting full state pension, one not, about a 3rd of it ..and is half that of the minimum wage , dont forget many pensioners often have to pay rent , and sometime still paying a mortgage
Been paying into the NHS for years, if they don’t want me to use it then give me the money back
Well said.
50 years working and paying a percentage of my salary and now they don't want to use it.😊
That's not what he said, he said he thought he should pay for the NHS with his taxes but still not get free healthcare
Yup but you won't
@davefish
Who doesn't want you to use the NHS? Anyone can suddenly find they or their family needs to use the NHS. It's an insurance system and the cheapest one you'll ever pay into. As soon as private interests are involved, the costs multiply for everyone.
Means testing for medical treatment isnt right. We need to check that people receiving treatment are entitled to it and stop putting right all these botched plastic surgery ops that have been done abroad. People also need to realise that not everything is curable and take some responsibility for their own health
@@janetholden1978 I don’t know if health tourism is still a thing, but that has cost the NHS thousands
over the years
@@davefish8107try millions mate.
We don't get free medical treatment when travelling abroad, needs to be renamed International Health Service, stop treating those who have not contributed
I barely troubled the NHS most of my life. Now my health is slightly fading, I can't get access while illegal immigrants can. It's not in the gift of rancid unions to decide who gets access.
@@paulburns1333 if your name is Jess Phillips you get seen urgently
If you have worked pay taxes and national insurance then you have the right to use the NHS for free
Yes he should have paid for his treatment, so why didn't he?
What is this person doing on here?
Archer the tax fraudster
His book
Plonker of the week.
Cant bear the bloke. Been in jail. and House of Lords
1986, brown paper bag, nudge nudge wink wink.
Jeffrey Archer. Now, what was he charged with? Something about money in a brown paper bag, no? Meeting on a bridge? Fragrant wife? Great friend of Margaret.
Has this program been renamed Rehabilitation and Redemption Hour? Who's next? Truss?
Ronnie Biggs. Oh no, just cancelled.
Monica Cochlan RIP
No the nhs should not be means tested
I’ve paid into it for 33 years
I’m waiting for chemotherapy because they found cancer which I had twice in 10 years
Without the chemotherapy I’d likely die
Blame the Tories. Giving their friends free money during the PPE controversy.
@ColCurmudgeon The Tories had 14 years to correct that. They did nothing but sink the country.
@@peeg09 @ColCurmudgeon They're the exact same party with a different colour logo, put 2 and 2 together will you. This football team politics is why nothing will ever change, vote for a third party or don't even bother.
@@peeg09no I blame Blair or have you forgotten what he did?
@@peeg09they did exactly what Labour wanted them to do, gave the nhs more money every single year.
Now Labour are in charge, yet the nhs hasn’t improved at all.
Labours fault.
These people are politically and economically thick - esp ITV - as for Archer - why are they bringing him on their show ffs
Absolutely correct given ARCHERS "CON" servatives History. JUST another book publishing advert in the guise of a news story,. Just like the B.B.C. ?
Because his PR agency has probably paid ITV for his promotion.
Why do they give these people oxygen?
Is that a do not resuscitate plea?
Monica Cochlan RPI
Private treatment is given by NHS staff and at times in NHS beds. It’s often nothing more than queue jumping bec you can afford to pay. Should never happen.
NHS equipment is often used because private hospitals don't have all the latest gear. Plus private hospitals pass patients over to NHS specialists because they can't carry out certain procedures.
Since everyone pays into the NHS, that sounds fair. Except if, as you suggest, the private patient is really paying in order to queue jump.
Yeah, I've worked in the NHS, and private patients just get pushed to the front of the queue and have a parasitic relationship with the rest of the NHS system as a whole.
@skygrey
Interesting from someone who worked for NHS.
well said !!!!!!
Some NHS Staff have time to run their own healthcare businesses.
As long as the nhs continues to provide free treatment to foreign nationals no way should it’s services be limited for British citizens.
The fuel benefit can be means tested as long as it is done fairly and the current cost of living is taken into account.
That said, I think that introduction of a rule requiring all visitors to the uk including immigrants to have full health insurance would be a massive help to the nhs.
Ordering the energy companies to reduce their prices significantly and removing all of the eco taxes would be of significant benefit to the population. (Look up their profits from the last few years)
the NHS is so very wasteful ever since they open a packet of very expensive tools, use 1 and then throw them all away, go back to steaming and reusing tools
The waste I've seen would bring tears to a glass eye.
Yes we will the puplic will never forget labour taking winter fuel off them never never never
Do you thing whether we forget or not Labour will give dame they have the power in their hand and they do what is beneficial to them
Nothing to do with the almost 6 million claims on it from the wealthy pensioners? Oh no, they stole your £300, but lets just forget pensions go UP £400 next year. Sigh.
Never forget how pensioners are more thought of than the disabled people..
@@SueRose-z3j if the useless government Conservatives and this new lot got to grips with the greedy gas and electric companies and ditched Net Zero no one would need a fuel allowance!
@@louisewalters2176 this conversation is ridiculous. Why are you setting up the elderly against the disabled! Direct your anger at the right people! If you vote, try ditching the two main parties and vote Reform! It’s worth a try, as if nothing ever changes, it’s never going to.
Archer`s operation done on the NHS which he exclaims he should have paid for. My response to him is why did you not just go private, if it pains you so much to use the NHS when you have such vast wealth?
These type of people say one thing in public and another when out of the spotlight.
Maybe he has a deep-rooted and unshakeable fear of bankruptcy?
Don't mention Carmen Proetta.
This Former Convicted Criminal is more honest than the Presenters.
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You did not include Monica Cochlan in your plaudit, then?
In a word, NO, it's time to stop these rich man passing the buck and we PAY for the NHS
The thing you have to remember about means-testing is that you need to pay civil servants to do the actual means-testing.
Ex jailbird???
And they seem to think it's funny. Strange.
I was in Jail with in 1984 .
Sunak can well afford to go Private and free up the NHS and he says he would and does.
Yet Starmer says he would use tbe NHS and not go Private?
If you can well afford £100,000+ for Private Health Care for Cancer Treatment, and don't want to wait then why not free up space for the NHS?
On the other hand if you have paid into the Health System then regardless of your wealth you are just as intitled to it as anyone else.
The NHS should not be means tested under any circumstances.
I’d rather a billionaire pensioner got the £300 than an illegal immigrant..
Agree 100 %
Exactly. But it should be done through the tax system.
Why do you have so much hate in you? Your mommy didn't love you?
@@peruvator6211 quite the opposite, my mother and father were always there for me. We were brought up in a with loving parents and taught to work hard for what we want. I’m just sick of free loaders!!!!
Any immigrant or just the illegal ones?
We pay NI all our working lives what is this man on about, he lives in LALA land 🙄
Only rich people want to get ride off nhs
Probably they have interest in private health?
So, Archer publicising his new book for free? Perhaps he should have paid to be on TV to plug it? Sorry to see him pontificating.
Shares in insurance and private health care
@@sabrinaHirad I know a few people that have had to get bank loans out to pay for private operations
because the NHS was telling them they they might be seen about their problems in 18 months
Happy to be means tested, but give me my national insurance back. I’ll sort my own pension and healthcare out.
Iam a pensioner on £12.000 income i think £20 000 is a good figure if i had that income i would be ok with losing it
£12,000 per annum is better than my £11,500 per annum and I consider that unearned and untaxed sum to be lavish and ample for many luxuries after food and heating costs.
Suzzanna I use to like her but I wish she understand it’s not all about pensioners going cold ,the disabled people of all ages don’t get anyone fighting for them it’s all about pensioners if only disabled people got £200 or £300 to help them .
We all were told we have to take the brunt but pensioners think it shouldn’t be them there’s a chaos now but as soon as they say disabled people get back to work no chaos on that .
If only passion was on all sides.
The way you say Means testing, what a terrible word !
Why
Means tested , So , someone works for 50 Years , pays in all their lives , saves a bit , lives within their means , puts something by for a rainy Day and times comes for NHS or fuel payments , gets nothing , whilst those who never worked , never put anything in , never put anything by for a rainy Day , gets everything , and more , for free , courtesy of the workers .
Working people should contribute to the NHS as is currently the case.
True, but they want it to be private and you still will pay
Yes and foreigners all of them
Archer needs to do one.. never buy his books. Why are you even entertaining him.
Fuel payments yes, NHS absolutely not
I can't listen to this
Nobody is saying that the richest should not get the winter allowance. It should be means tested but the bar is too low. He can say that but if you have 12000 a year to live on then this is life threatening.
Ex Jail bird....
The nhs is free at the point of delivery. I pay for it already.
If the NHS is so good then why does NOBODY else in the world copy our system?
It’s seems people think it’s the NHS or American style health care as a choice but there are many health care systems in Europe which mix things up with public and private and have better outcome than we do. The NHS is there to serve the people but it seems it’s often the other way round.
Shut up Suzanna😅
She ain't no Bevery Turner.
Give a charitable cheque to the hospital that looked after you. Nobody is stopping him from paying
Then why are we paying NI? Let people who go private to opt out. If people have to go private, it could cost a lot, only a real multi-millionaire with multi-million guaranteed income can feel absolutely protected without universal healthcare. But people on 100K who actually pay 30K in taxes, won't be able to afford an cancer treatment out of pocket. They will have to pay insurance premiums that will be maybe 300-500 a month. So it would be fair that they can get their NI back and pay for a private insurance instead
No to means tested NHS. Love from Wales
Why have a criminal on your show?
He is a convicted criminal I don't like him one bit I'm surprised to see him on your show
No-one mentioned Monica Cochlan.
People need to take responsibility for their health. The NHS is just for sickness.
I was recently diagnosed with type two diabetes, which my years of essential heart medication following two rounds of surgery pushed me to. When I attended the GP practice peptalk, I was the only one in the room under twenty stone and over fifty years old. I am seventy). A few months on I am the only one not trying to control the condition through medication rather than diet.
Oh yes, and I weight less than twelve stone. and have done for the past ifty years.
Listen to Mr ethics talking,the nhs is not in trouble it's mismanaged end of
NHS certainly not, WF payment, absolutely, but raise the threshold so that anyone under a reasonable amount of income will get it.
Sounds right
Archer a tory criminal. Actually convicted.
Why give him a voice?
Also his novels are 💩
You may think they are 💩but they’ve made him £ millions 💷💷💷💷💷
I’ve never read them but evidently many gave and have enjoyed them so, you’re opinion is in the minority.
@@sookibeulah9331 Actually, the people that read Archer novels are the minority.
@@RiseOfTheMachines-s7u such a minority that he still made £millions from his books 😆
Apparently he had 25 ‘best selling’ books.
According to Amazon: “Jeffrey Archer is one of the world's bestselling authors, with sales of over 275 million copies in 97 countries, and is the only author ever to have been a number one bestseller in fiction (twenty times), short stories (four times) and non-fiction (The Prison Diaries).”
@@sookibeulah9331 I do not deny he has sold a lot of books but it is still a minority of people. 97 countries will add up to billions of people.
It's not means tested, anyone on full state pension, irrespective of savings or other pensions, is not entitled to fuel allowance.
So every future pensioner
@@sbalmer132 No, there are more work place pension schemes now.
@@carolewynn9407 you are still entitled to a state pension even if you have work place pensions, this is what NI is for...
@@si_w8201 Didn't say you weren't.
This man is in a good position to do that but y sud high earners pay privet wen they contribute loads to the NHS through there 40% tax. How about letting people opt out of paying 40% tax and then don’t get the NHS
Then they will go back to the old system quickly because the people on benefits don't pay anything but use it the most
Rich people don't neeed the £300 winter fuel allowance....in fact I've heard about rich or comfortably off people who put the money towards their holidays abroad! There are people who can't afford to pay their heating, or even a holiday in their own country!
"Poor" people do not need it either if they are state pensioners on £11,500 in unearned and untaxed income.
I had a knee done 7 years ago and I paid for that. You didn't need to have it on the NHS. I was a secretary. I own a small one bedroomed flat. Kitchen on the back wall. I have a bit put bye for repairs, service charge and major works. I shop in charity shops so that I can deal with whatever pops up. I haven't even applied for a bus pass, though an uber for £35, means I may need to apply for a bus pass. I would probably fail the means test. I sit here, no heating with a blanket over me on the sofa. One, in all conscience should forward anything they are unable to return to a charity organisation supporting low income people.
Order one now, before they stop people applying
Well said, Anna. I depend on the state pension and consider it to be lavish. Food bills £1,500 a year. Heating bills for an average home £2,000 a year. That leaves £8,000 a year for luxuries, from a pension of "11,500 a year rising to £12,000 a year from April. We have degenerated onto a nation of moaners, whiners, professional victims, moon-howlers and hate-trolls. And that is just the vicarious ones bawling for political and me-too personal validation. If these all were Olympic sports, the UK would take gold, silver and bronze in every one.
Means testing the NHS????
no the NHS should not be means tested. That's disgusting. We all stand together. Not gamble with peoples lives.
Couldn’t help but smile at Billy. He seems such a gentle soul, and clearly has a great artistic talent for copying. Thankfully, he can be loud and proud about all of it now.
Should they be means tested....Yes, it's the cut off level thats wrong..
I wonder how many of the people whi say they dont need the winter payment ever gave it back?
Or gave it to a food bank?
....... or other charity
I for one regularly bought food for food banks
@@vickyclampitt7456 thank you Vicky... you are so appreciated 💛 .... I knew it, at least one beautiful soul 🌺
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Why should people who are prudent, and don't squander their money on holidays, flash cars, and nights out be punished? Many try to keep some money by for emergency treatment. The NHS can leave you crippled and in agony for years with a defective hip or knee. You need around £20,000 to get it treated privately! Need a root canal on a rear molar? The NHS won't do this. They will pull your tooth. Getting it done privately and then having a Zirconia crown will save that tooth. I've had two teeth saved this way, but you won't see much change from £1,500 for each tooth.
Exactly my sentiment
When the 'fuel allowance', was introduced, they said it would cost more to means test everyone, than to give everyone the fuel allowance!
Yes, that's why this move is sinister
If it will be means tested then we shouldn't pay into it through our taxes. Why pay into something you can't use because you earn too much. Rich people will not pay into it, if they have to pay private health insurance. That's the only answer which will shut it down
Jeffrey Archer makes a valid argument, but as a multi millionaire. Many pensioners are nowhere near his income, but have saved to have a nest egg. Unfortunately we don’t have a sell by date and our future though limited is uncertain. I am continually dipping into my savings . I can get by without the winter fuel money for now, but it would have been a nice bonus.
He who can afford it , could have donated to the NHS but I am not a millionaire . I’ve worked as a public servant for 35 years and paid all my taxes and saved for my retirement paying for any treatment I might need would wipe me out !
We could have an insurance system.
We were encouraged to top uo our pensions with AVCs these have tipped my pension over the top.
Why do we pay for interpretors. Disgraceful
Can't you do better than interviewing a person who was jailed for four years in 1987 for perjury. What does Archer have to say that can be of any interest to normal non-criminal people?
No they should not charge as much. They are too greedy with huge profit margins
He's right about what Labour are doing now. Good for him.
Why on earth is Archole rearing his smarmy head , yesterdays man and a corrupt one at that a double dyed villain , still his usual unpleasant self
That 84 year old guest looks better than most 65 years olds
Hes lord archer the tax fraudster '
Haha what a muppet, so he took treatment on the NHS and then just what.. felt guilty about it? Martin Lewis made the point so obvious a child could have got there... err.. why didnt you just pay for private then? As usual with these grumpy old boomers, they are 100% talk and zero action..
no. universal programs are good. just cause you’re rich today doesn’t mean you’re rich tomorrow.
america had a huge problem during covid because they used the previous years earnings as a means test to validate if someone was worthy of help.
but obviously people lost their jobs lol
if you don’t need it when you get it. donate it.
It doesn't have to lose its universality though. France, Germany and Australia are all universal systems where those that can afford it are legally required to pay for insurance
Agree, universal program also has the benefit of reducing administrative overhead to verify eligibility and avoid argument about edge cases, saving the government a lot of money.
Thank u 🙏🏾 he spoke so much sense pls listen
WFA should have been means tested from its introduction, there wouldn't have been this furore had it been means tested from the beginning.
Or simply never given as a state.bribe. It is not necessary.
If the NHS was to be Means Tested, any savings that you have will be taken into account which may mean selling your home, during or after treatment?
There are plenty ways of savings money without higher Taxes, it's just a case of how you spend the money within the Country, Charity begins at home as they say?
Means testing for winter fuel allowance is needed, so far it’s wasting tax money on rich pensioners
It will cost more to means test, that's why I feel it's not about saving money
Billy is a great artist in his own right.
It does not matter if your a millioner or min pension pensioner we all paaid into the system so why should we not have the 300,give it to charity because they need it?
my dad always said he would get private medical insurance if ni was stopped as he wasn't paying twice
Let's be fair to Archer, he has served his sentence and looks like he learned his lesson. But Starmer is no where near as astute as Thatcher, he's not in the same league politically.
Everyone contributes during their whole working life, so everyone should benefit for the remainder . Simple justice!
This guy is obviously 10 times more talented than most of the original artists 🤣
This popped up on my feed for some reason . I have avoided his programme for years and watching this hasn’t changed my view it’s almost amateurish and why Archer ? Barrel and scraping all over selling a book
Another reprehensible person.
Remember who created the chaos in the NHS. Both the uniparty's.
HHS ptioritised for native Brits generally . Others second??
I'd love to see them try to means test the NHS, there will be a lot of John Q type incidents across the country.
Winter fuel yes that should be (although the way it calculated is fked)
But the NHS no never
Can’t abide Archer.
Well versed in dishonesty arrogance greed and hypocrisy.
Not my favourite writer,that would be Barbara cartland, I feel she was more raw and real!
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Is he not selling enough books? Money getting a bit tight Jeffrey? How the mighty have fallen
With the loss of WFA ,millions of State pensioners, under the old system, will now be `treading water` financially, during this parliament, because they really will be no better off. Whatever politicians say about the triple lock, £300 is lost from any rise each April, making the extra top up look risible and decidedly small.
The NHS should get the foreign people who come here from abroad just to use the service t9 pay first and that includes illegal migrants if they haven’t paid for it they don’t get access to the services. When I go abroad I have to either take out an insurance policy or pay out of my own pocket for any medical treatment.
Exactly but this country is a joke
Laughing stock of the world
Unless you're going to charge for other things the admin cost of setting up a payments system just isn't worth it. Those who are here on a work visa already pay an annual charge to use it so this would only apply to tourists which is a very small group
@@PJH13 when 1 person costs the NHS 500,000.00 because she chose to come here to have her babies others come here with heart problems because it’s cheaper to get a flight than pay for medical treatment in their own country why should we the tax payers pick up their bills they wouldn’t if the boot was on the other foot you would get minimum care if you were lucky.
@@sandraoneill4431 Morally I can empathise with you. Practically though, no birth costs close to what you suggest and the total of these costs is too small to make it worth setting up a payment system, unless we used it to charge for other things
I think we really need to start again in terms of what is covered by the NHS
Start with only operations that are medically needed
Anything linked to mental health should be seperated out
Special nursing homes need to be oped to stop bed blocking in hospitals by old people
The only qualification for getting medical treament in the UK should be British citizenship. Everyone else should pay or have medical insurance.