@Kaden R yeah but thawne knew it would. it was all to show and crush barry knowing it wouldnt be able to stick or barry wouldnt allow it to. just cementing to barry that he took his mom away from him forever.
@@ange1noha1o playing an act my man. he wanted barry to do that to solidfy that point. he plays angry all or sad or happy about a situation at any point to play like its not going his way when it is. point in case EVERYTHING WITH NORA OR BARRY ALLEN.
The reason is really that Eobard needed Barry to fix the timeline that Eobard broke in the first place so that Eobards home would still exist the way he originally left it
Yeah, but when Flashpoint was made, Wally West Became the Flash. It was supposed to be barry. So Eobard's action in the past, must have had a severe change on the timeline, even if repaired.
@@daddyfex6101 thawn wouldn’t go to his future bec it’s already been eased he would’ve go to a future but it wouldn’t be the one he left to kill Barry’s mother.
@@illusionmagician9939 Which is easily explained in various comics and other non CW shows. When a speedster makes any small change to the timeline, no matter how insignificant, it can create ripples throughout the entire timeline that creates DRASTICALLY different effects from the prior timeline. It's as if you broke the original timeline into multiple pieces because time is always moving.
it’s basically an eye for an eye. thawne didn’t care whether nora lived or died. he needed barry to become fast enough to break the time barrier and allow thawne to go back to his time
Yes but the idea is that, in any normal scenario, Thawn’s timeline would be erased when Barry saves his mother anyways. So if he saves his mother his timeline is gone and I’d doesn’t matter, or he lets her die and Barry kicks his ass anyway. That’s why it’s somewhat of a plot hole but it can be explained by future ideas on the show
4:00 I think this can be simply explained with the fact that Eobard is supposed to go through the portal and make it to his timeline before Barry changes it.
I always thought it was because despite everything, that version of Thawne really did grow to love Barry after working with and watching over him for so long. He realized that this wasn't the Barry he hated, and after being captured, wanted a way home that could also act as a way to give Barry a gift. Afterward, he was so angry about his chance to go home being destroyed he decided to actually go through with his original plans. Maybe he knows how to navigate the Speedforce to get back to his specific timeline, we know the Speedforce kept at least part of it intact because Eobard shows up again to learn Barry's identity even though Eddie was long since dead. So by going through time while Barry was still "changing the past" he would be able to exist in that timeline while the changed timeline got erased. Time travel is weird.
Main villain goals in a nutshell Season 1 = Home fever Season 2 = Become the fastest speedster/conquer the multiverse Season 3 = Revenge/Wants to live Season 4 = Teacher of the worlds kindergarten Season 5 = Metas bad, humans also bad Season 6 = I don't know, didn't pay attention but mirror world stuff?
@@Lifelsfullofsurprises Because it isn't on netflix here yet..duh and let's be real..The Flash has been trash since season 5...don't be an ignorant fanboy
We need a whole season focusing on Thawne, set in the future. There's so much potential here, his obsession with the flash, he discovering the mysteries of speed force, making naive mistakes cause time wraith to pursue him, maybe a failed love interest, turning evil, creating negative speed force, his best friend who has had die by his fluctuating hand so that he could achieve his goals and at least one solid reason to hate flash (rather than the childish excuse that, he wanted to be the flash but he couldn't). It should be like a loop, like Barry did something which led to Thawne becoming reverse flash. Maybe for revenge or something, I mean there's so much grey area... So much potential content...
it would be really cool if they could do that but i dont think they will. i mean they probably find a villain who isn't a speedster and they will make barry even more dumb than he is right now.
Maybe he was counting on being protected from timeline changes by traveling through time (through the wormhole/speedforce) at the same time as Barry saved his mom. Becoming a paradox as he so often likes to do.
6:37 Comics the speedforce explained it in S3 episode 16. When Barry is talking to the speed force it tells him that they allowed him to go back in time cause Zoom just killed his father, but they wanted him to learn that his action has consequences.
@@CarnageAnarchist I don't think it really matters if he uses either. The point is that he is a speedster which means that the Speed Force can send a time wraight after him if he breaks the rules.
In one episode Thawn said the og wells created the particle execrator in 2020 and Barry was the flash then but when he changed the timeline Barry never became the flash in the future so he had to make him the flash so he could go home so the flash season one is an alternate timeline that is fixed because it has existed for almost 20 years
Time wraiths didnt go after Barry in flashpoint because the speed force allowed him to do that because they understood why he did it. Its mentioned in season 3 episode 16, when the speed force is using Eddie Thawne's face to talk to Barry.
6:40 Why the speedforce never sent the time wraiths on Barry was because the speedforce allowed Barry to do that stated in season 3 where Barry goes in there to fetch Wally out.
My guess was that Thawne was worried that killing Barry’s mom changed the timeline, so he sought to try to change the timeline back to the original, as removing the Flash was what removed Thawne’s powers, and that combined with the “tragedy so great it would prevent you from becoming the Flash” he said at the end of season 1, Barry probably became the Flash in one timeline became the Flash without his mom dying.
I always read it as Thawne was done, he'd had his rivalry with Barry and after being at it for years he was at the end of his rope and just wanted to go home, he didn't care what happened to the timeline. It did always bug me though that no-one on Barry's team ever thought 'hey, if Barry does this he'd erase this timeline, right?' It definitely gets worse over time but so did the show, so I prefer not to dwell on it. You raised some amazing points though.
It only happens twice, where he time travels about a day or so. He isn't different enough to make another timeline remnant, his past self. It was never directly explained, but barry must overwrite each other when they time travel short distances. When barry time travels in s3 back to the allen house the s1 barry there disappears similarly. Who knows
It's actually pretty so simple although it doesn't really work but Barry saw himself from a day in the future since he accidentally time travelled back to that point which is why we saw it again but in the Barry that time travelled prospective I says it doesn't work because when Barry say himself from a day later he should have been erased I know I didn't explain it well but just try to understand
That was weird because he became his past self. Maybe you could say it's because it's only a day. But Nora (&DCEU Flash) actually rewind the event. But Barry clearly jumped into a 'worm whole' but ended up in his a day younger self... We definitely need a vid.
I think theres 3 kinds of time travel. Mostly we see the one where the present Barry visits the past or the future. The other type is going back to an earlier point after a possible death(just like a time loop). It happened in the great tsunami and the flash/arrow crossover with the explosion. Last one is Nora rewinding time similar to ZSJL Flash during Supes resurrection and the most epic Flash scene in existence(at least for me). But I guess there could be a video explaining all three types of time travel
Ok but what if his real plan was to become a paradox? Gives him an endless life because the speedforce wants the timeline to be as stable and without change as possible
He kind of already was. That’s why he came back. Plus, the speedforce can’t do anything about Thawn since he’s part of the negative speedforce which is a whole separate thing
That’s what I thought his plan was. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pops up in the current season since the actual speed force didn’t die. OR maybe we get a new version of him since it’s post crisis.
@@ange1noha1o the negative speed force isn’t necessarily its own thing, it is like a branch of the speed force since it feeds from it. Still a good take you got though
The reason that the wraiths didn't attack Barry during Flashpoint is because the Speed Force knows what she's doing. She also knows about every possible future. So she knew that Barry would suffer under his own consequences and reverse things. No need for her to step in.
6:33 Simple answer Barry's friends with the Speed Force, so no time wraits after him (Friendship confirmed from with first few episode of Season 7 which aired till now)
Next question: Thawne cant move fast enough to travel in time. Barry can travel fast enough to travel through time. Thawne is faster than barry. Thawne can't travel through time? (Maybe Im just missing something that I should remember)
Thawne knows how time travel works so he can’t move recklessly like Barry without altering the timeline and or alerting the time wraiths and black flash.
What if eobard knew that barry wont save his mother so he just told him to open a portal to the past, for barry to have a reason to open a portal to the past for eobard
If you remember in season 3 Into the Speed Force, when Barry is talking to the Speed Force version of Eddie, he said that they let him create Flashpoint because Zoom had just killed his dad. That’s why Time Wraiths never came after him in the Flashpoint timeline.
7:04 no Barry didn’t luck out in 3x15 into the speed force, the speed force explains that the only reason it didn’t punish Barry was because it was feeling bad because barry had just lost Henry as well
In the season 3 episode where Barry goes into the Speedforce to save Wally, The Speedforce says that they let Barry do Flashpoint because they understand Barry's grieving.
Oooh. I do remember that actually and the Speed Force does seem to have a deeper connection with Barry. I think the time wraith they sent in episode 17 of season 2 was just to scare off Barry because why kill him. Then they don't send one after Barry for Flashpoint because of what you said and hoping he would learn his lesson in the future.
Can you also talk about how it made sense that Thawne was still imprisoned if Cicada was cured? Like how does that make sense. The dagger disappeared from existence when baby Cicada took the cure so how was Thawne kept imprisoned by something that doesn't exist? The part about changes take time to solidify doesn't even make sense since the point in time baby Cicada took the cure and Thawne imprisoned are years apart
and the answer to why eobard wanted barry to save Nora is because he's from the future and the newspaper from 2024 says flash vanished in crisis so he knew barry would not save her although he thought he would get home since he built his own speed force and can think really fast but thought wrong.
It was because the Eobard that Barry stops would and did become a time remenant while the one Barry knew gets to leave. Even so that time remenant eobard wouldn’t lose his connection to the negative speed force as we saw in legends of tomorrow.
Mad coincidence that I have started rewatching the flash today and am 7 episodes in. That's kind of a crazy coincidence, but I guess with the amount of people that watch your vids, the odds that one person would be in my situation isn't as unlikely as it seems
I think he did it because he knew Barry inside and out, past and future, and also knew he wouldn’t actually do it. It took his dads death to finally push him over the edge
Hey you should make a video on phasing/vibrating, cuz as of now it seems like you can do anything. You can phase through ppl and kill them, you can phase through people and not kill them (zoom phased through caitln and she was fine) u can counter act a reverse flash by also phasing (nora tryna kill barry) you can become invisible, you can grab something through a wall which is weird cuz how do they control what they are phasing through and what they aren't. U can also break stuff (jay broke that cup) Also what happens if u stop midway through wall. Will the wall explode, do you get stuck in the wall, do u get every single atom split open and die? Also how do they control the phasing and not enter flash time, because u have to vibrate at a certain frequency so you can't just shake your arm as fast as you can. What does phasing look like to speedsters, since to us the arm is vibrating fast but to them in flash time they are just very slowly moving their arms and somehow it passes through stuff. Also they say different stuff is different frequency, so if there was a table, and stuff on the table, how do you phase through all of that stuff at once. If they can phase through anything, can't they just fall to the other side of the earth. He once phased a thing into the pillar to stop cicada, how come the thing was fully in tact. Theoritcally he should be able to phase out of stuff attached to him, so like if there was food in his mouth theoritcally he can phase and run really fast and the food would be left behind. On a side note, can they control their lighting, cuz a speed mirage theoritcally should have the lightning in between. Also if he is running and suddenly 180s would he run into his own lightning.
I always figured Thawnes real agenda other than just "getting home" was that in the future, he has the tech, power and the ability to fully restore his speed, something he can't do in this time with the current level of technology and resources available, cause I feel like he would need something that's exotic to this current time to do it, something that's actively gettable in the future, something like a concentrated form of energy source or maybe a particle accelerator built to get to something no particle accelerator built today can get to. Anyway, after restoring his speed, he would've continued fucking around with Barry's life. Also, side note here, but I think I figured out why Eobard managed to come back after being "erased" in season 1, remember how he said the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes? well even if he wasn't in it when he got erased, the fact that he has a connection to it prevented him from being completely erased, and instead just being dumped somewhere else in time or his speed force
1:50 not necessarily, you see in the original timeline Barry doesn't become Flash untill 2020, however Wally getting powers before Barry could easily be effect of changing the timeline, think of it like this, there is original timeline, Thawne goes back kills Barry's mom creating arrowverse timeline, Barry saves his mom putting timeline to how it was with some changes like wally becoming flash before Barry
I mean, we can see the reason in the Flashpoint episode: he knows Barry could never stay in that reality permanently. It’s the ultimate way to torture Barry. And especially since Barry would have to ask Thawne for help to undo it, it’s extra cruel. Thawne said it himself: “you’ll never be truly happy, Barry Allen.”
I think you misunderstood the whole thing. If Thawne at the end of season 1 did not tell Barry to go and save his mother, the future he returned to would not be his because thawne killing Barry's mother is what created a new timeline for him and Barry saving his mother, his mother did not die in thawne's time, would set the timeline back to thawne's original one
Every time u change the timeline u create another one it’s the basics of Quantum Mechanics and Cisco Vibed the timeline of Flashpoint from another timeline which was the very same timeline of S3’s Flashpoint and the Speedforce allowed Barry to live in Flashpoint that’s why no Timewraiths were hunting him!
One thing that confuses me in the season 1 finale of the Flash Eobard Thawne wanted Barry to go back in time to save his mother. However in the season 3 premier titled Flashpoint Eobard wanted Barry to allow him to kill his mother to fix Flashpoint. So shouldn't the version of Eobard Thawne from season 1 already know that Barry saving his mother would just create Flashpoint having already experienced it when he was younger?
I'm pretty sure either Thawne forgot just like everyone else forgot about Flashpoint except Barry because he created it, or he went back to his original future
How about the future that doesn't exist anymore? Why would Eobard want to return to a future that he's not even familiar with since he drastically altered the timeline by killing Nora? That's the only question I've been having for the past 6 years
Probably because he didnt think of the changes to his future or maybe there wasnt any since he lives around 2151 and the changes probably arent major or there arent any theres really no reason but thawne isnt stupid. he probably knew his future wasnt affected because its too far
When Barry was in the speed force in season 3 the speed force tells him that they allowed him to do flashpoint that’s why time raiths didn’t go after him
he’s about uhh 3 kilometers and 5 seconds slower than last season and we know this because you carry the one and uh multiply it by 1 and the divide it by 0 and you get 2 miles
It think that the Speed Force keeps copies of the previous timelines and that's where the past time remnants comes from and that's where Eobard went in s2 ep11. That's where past Barry would go such as the 2024 future in season 3 as it no longer exists in the main timeline but past Barry will end up going to a copy of it. Eobard may have been trying to go to a copy of his original timeline maybe.
My theory is that changes to the timeline are impossible to notice unless you are also a time traveler, meaning if Thawne gets to his own future before Barry reseats the timeline, he’s free to enjoy his own remnant of time, until he time travels again
At least we finally figured out why Eobart had such a hate boner against Barry,it's not just because he hates him,it's also because of the artificial speed force he created with rage as his power boost
I think it makes a little more sense if you see it from just a season 1 perspective, without the (even more) timeline breaking context of the future seasons. Eobard knows that his interference in the past is the reason his connection to the Speed Force is fucked and why he is stranded. By letting Barry save Nora, he effectively restores the original timeline, therefore his original future, so he can go back and have his proper connection to his Speed Force back. He is willing to go back to a world with OG Future Flash, if that means having his speed back proper and being able to go home.
If you payed attention to many of the things thawne said in season 1, he went back in time to kill Barry after learning the flash’s identity. After Barry rushed his younger self out of there he wanted to do the next worst thing and kill his mother so many of his actions were out of spite and hate and he would harness the negative speed force just like him
Why Barry didn’t get the time wraiths after him for making flashpoint is because the speedforce let him, it states that when Barry goes into the speed force in season 3 to save wally
In the last 2 episodes it will go through the night where this will take place and the reason Barry ran off and disappeared is because he hid himself in the speed force because of the changes he would encounter
The only this is when the time wraith didn’t come after Barry in flashpoint is because in one episode the speedforce said to Barry we let you do it because your mum and dad died
Actually Back to the Future works the same way too. Remember, the "branched" timeline was going to overwrite the other so Doc and Marty HAD to go and fix things. If the branch created a separate universe they could just hop onto their old one but that's not what they did. So basically not too different from Flashpoint.
I think the reason the time wraiths didn’t come for Barry in flashpoint was because the speed force allowed it. Because when Barry enters the speed force to save Wally, he tries to take his place, saying flashpoint is his fault and the speed force says, yes they know and that they allowed him to live in that alternate timeline.
Simple answer Barry's friends with the Speed Force, so no time wraits after him (Friendship confirmed from with first few episode of Season 7 which aired till now)
@@faiz.marvel yes while that might be true now, back in season 3 the speed force and Barry didn’t have the best relationship. If you rewatch the episode when he enters the speed force to save Wally from the prison, the speed force tells him “we aren’t going to be as accommodating as last time” because the whole point of him getting his powers back after zoom took them was that the speed force felt he had accepted his mother’s death, and because of flashpoint the speed force felt betrayed
To try and fix Don's mistake going back in time trapping him in that time keeping his home the same that it was when he left. So basically trying to get everything normal for when he goes home
i think, if thawne goes back in to the future and barry saves his mom, in the far away future, the timeline will become the original timeline line where barry gets his powers in 2020 and his parents are still alive
As he states that no time wraith was after Barry when he created flashpoint, in season three in the speed force they said that they let him create flash point because zoom just killed his father
it was all to show and crush barry knowing it wouldnt be able to stick or barry wouldnt allow it to. just cementing to barry that he took his mom away from him forever.
I just want to point something out that has nothing to do with the video. The titles of the finales for the first 3 seasons sound like the all fit together. Season 1: Fast enough Season 2: Race of his life Season 3: Finish line. FAST ENOUGH TO DO THE RACE OF HIS LIFE AND REACH THE FINISH LINE
I think Barry just enters another timeline when he changes the past and the previous timeline still exists. Since Eobard is also a speedster, he can go to the timeline he wants, he just needs something like the wormhole. But yeah, the Arrowverse does constantly change their time travel rules.
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POGGERS hi I’m big fan and ur vids make a lot of sense
Other forces? I thought that there was only the Speed Force in The Flash TV show
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Thawne’s goals are beyond our understanding.
Thawne: It was me Barry.
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Remember that time when thawne beated barry's meat at superspeed....
@@Zaacdrums Ayo???
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Probably because he knew Barry couldn’t. Not without ruining everything. Another aspect of dangling a carrot that Barry can’t have.
@Kaden R ahh.
@Kaden R yeah but thawne knew it would. it was all to show and crush barry knowing it wouldnt be able to stick or barry wouldnt allow it to. just cementing to barry that he took his mom away from him forever.
Then why was Thawn so mad when Barry didn’t cause flashpoint in the last episode of season one?
@@ange1noha1o because Barry came back and smashed his time travel ball.
@@ange1noha1o playing an act my man. he wanted barry to do that to solidfy that point. he plays angry all or sad or happy about a situation at any point to play like its not going his way when it is. point in case EVERYTHING WITH NORA OR BARRY ALLEN.
The reason is really that Eobard needed Barry to fix the timeline that Eobard broke in the first place so that Eobards home would still exist the way he originally left it
Yeah, but when Flashpoint was made, Wally West Became the Flash. It was supposed to be barry. So Eobard's action in the past, must have had a severe change on the timeline, even if repaired.
@@illusionmagician9939 thawn would return to HIS future where Barry was still the flash but Barry would be stuck in flashpoint
@@daddyfex6101 thawn wouldn’t go to his future bec it’s already been eased he would’ve go to a future but it wouldn’t be the one he left to kill Barry’s mother.
@@illusionmagician9939 yeah but that’s because season 2 Barry did flashpoint. And by then a lot of things were already different
@@illusionmagician9939 Which is easily explained in various comics and other non CW shows. When a speedster makes any small change to the timeline, no matter how insignificant, it can create ripples throughout the entire timeline that creates DRASTICALLY different effects from the prior timeline. It's as if you broke the original timeline into multiple pieces because time is always moving.
it’s basically an eye for an eye. thawne didn’t care whether nora lived or died. he needed barry to become fast enough to break the time barrier and allow thawne to go back to his time
Yes but the idea is that, in any normal scenario, Thawn’s timeline would be erased when Barry saves his mother anyways. So if he saves his mother his timeline is gone and I’d doesn’t matter, or he lets her die and Barry kicks his ass anyway. That’s why it’s somewhat of a plot hole but it can be explained by future ideas on the show
@@ange1noha1o that would just return it to the timeline that Thawne cams from in the first place
@@jakezimmer7256 yes, which isn’t something Thawn wants
@@ange1noha1o yes but it keeps him from being erased
@@jakezimmer7256 i know, but my point is that either way Reverse flash would lose
4:00 I think this can be simply explained with the fact that Eobard is supposed to go through the portal and make it to his timeline before Barry changes it.
That’s exactly what I was doing
@@skywalker3489 GO BACK TO YOUR OWN TIME REVERSE FLASH!
@@steinvee Dont worry human i will Omega beam him and turn him into inverse flash.
The temporal zone protects people from timeline changes- zari in legends s4
I always thought it was because despite everything, that version of Thawne really did grow to love Barry after working with and watching over him for so long. He realized that this wasn't the Barry he hated, and after being captured, wanted a way home that could also act as a way to give Barry a gift. Afterward, he was so angry about his chance to go home being destroyed he decided to actually go through with his original plans. Maybe he knows how to navigate the Speedforce to get back to his specific timeline, we know the Speedforce kept at least part of it intact because Eobard shows up again to learn Barry's identity even though Eddie was long since dead. So by going through time while Barry was still "changing the past" he would be able to exist in that timeline while the changed timeline got erased. Time travel is weird.
I feel like we should have Thawne as a big bad again, would be dope to see him as a true threat instead of appearing randomly throughout the show
Yeah because thawn is a really good villian but i also want zoom to return
@@fxshy_5573 zoom is the black flash now, we never see him anymore, he should return again soon
@@SaucyCheeseburgerwithRanch ooh yeah but idk what happend to black flash when killer frost frooze him in 3x23
@demon for hire yeah that would be cool
@@fxshy_5573 I don’t think black flash never dies just returns back into the speed force because that is zoom punishment for all that he has done
Main villain goals in a nutshell
Season 1 = Home fever
Season 2 = Become the fastest speedster/conquer the multiverse
Season 3 = Revenge/Wants to live
Season 4 = Teacher of the worlds kindergarten
Season 5 = Metas bad, humans also bad
Season 6 = I don't know, didn't pay attention but mirror world stuff?
Aye what about season 7
@@Lifelsfullofsurprises No idea since i haven't watched it yet :D
@@TokuNorth Why not, it better be not "because it's trash"
@@Lifelsfullofsurprises Because it isn't on netflix here yet..duh
and let's be real..The Flash has been trash since season 5...don't be an ignorant fanboy
@@TokuNorth I'm not a fanboy of it, i think it's a great show i just don't see what's wrong with it right now
We need a whole season focusing on Thawne, set in the future. There's so much potential here, his obsession with the flash, he discovering the mysteries of speed force, making naive mistakes cause time wraith to pursue him, maybe a failed love interest, turning evil, creating negative speed force, his best friend who has had die by his fluctuating hand so that he could achieve his goals and at least one solid reason to hate flash (rather than the childish excuse that, he wanted to be the flash but he couldn't).
It should be like a loop, like Barry did something which led to Thawne becoming reverse flash. Maybe for revenge or something, I mean there's so much grey area... So much potential content...
it would be really cool if they could do that but i dont think they will. i mean they probably find a villain who isn't a speedster and they will make barry even more dumb than he is right now.
@@senqai6573 actualy in season 7 Barry is actually being smart and developing his own plans so I don’t think right now he is dumb.
@@cesarelias6149 yes but it was all because of artificial speed-force and now he doesn't have it anymore.
I mean....Most of what you said is actually very close to the actual ReverseFlash origin story
@@AnimeKat8849 Oh reall?, But haven't read the comics at all...
Maybe he was counting on being protected from timeline changes by traveling through time (through the wormhole/speedforce) at the same time as Barry saved his mom. Becoming a paradox as he so often likes to do.
Eobard planed to get half a second faster to his timeline before it is cut from the speed force
6:37 Comics the speedforce explained it in S3 episode 16. When Barry is talking to the speed force it tells him that they allowed him to go back in time cause Zoom just killed his father, but they wanted him to learn that his action has consequences.
His goals are beyond our understanding
The reason a time wraith never came after him is because the speed force let him do it. This was mentioned in the episode “into the speed force”.
Or maybe its because he uses the negative speed force
@@CarnageAnarchist I don't think it really matters if he uses either. The point is that he is a speedster which means that the Speed Force can send a time wraight after him if he breaks the rules.
the reason reverse flash is still alive to kill barry is he got into the negative speed force before dying to where he did not get erased
In one episode Thawn said the og wells created the particle execrator in 2020 and Barry was the flash then but when he changed the timeline Barry never became the flash in the future so he had to make him the flash so he could go home so the flash season one is an alternate timeline that is fixed because it has existed for almost 20 years
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Godzilla had a stroke reading this and fricking died.
@@canadaball9777 it is complicated I know but that’s what wells said
@@jettstreamyt8177 not that, you never even used a single dot
@@canadaball9777 yeah I used talk to text because I was tored
Time wraiths didnt go after Barry in flashpoint because the speed force allowed him to do that because they understood why he did it. Its mentioned in season 3 episode 16, when the speed force is using Eddie Thawne's face to talk to Barry.
You should do a video where you tell us how fast arrow-verse Barry Allen runs around central city.
6:40 Why the speedforce never sent the time wraiths on Barry was because the speedforce allowed Barry to do that stated in season 3 where Barry goes in there to fetch Wally out.
My guess was that Thawne was worried that killing Barry’s mom changed the timeline, so he sought to try to change the timeline back to the original, as removing the Flash was what removed Thawne’s powers, and that combined with the “tragedy so great it would prevent you from becoming the Flash” he said at the end of season 1, Barry probably became the Flash in one timeline became the Flash without his mom dying.
I always read it as Thawne was done, he'd had his rivalry with Barry and after being at it for years he was at the end of his rope and just wanted to go home, he didn't care what happened to the timeline. It did always bug me though that no-one on Barry's team ever thought 'hey, if Barry does this he'd erase this timeline, right?'
It definitely gets worse over time but so did the show, so I prefer not to dwell on it. You raised some amazing points though.
Can you do a vid explaining difference between Barry time travel vs when he sees himself running next to himself then ends up time traveling later on
It only happens twice, where he time travels about a day or so.
He isn't different enough to make another timeline remnant, his past self.
It was never directly explained, but barry must overwrite each other when they time travel short distances.
When barry time travels in s3 back to the allen house the s1 barry there disappears similarly.
Who knows
I think they just wanted to change how his time travel worked and retconned that
It's actually pretty so simple although it doesn't really work but Barry saw himself from a day in the future since he accidentally time travelled back to that point which is why we saw it again but in the Barry that time travelled prospective
I says it doesn't work because when Barry say himself from a day later he should have been erased
I know I didn't explain it well but just try to understand
That was weird because he became his past self. Maybe you could say it's because it's only a day. But Nora (&DCEU Flash) actually rewind the event. But Barry clearly jumped into a 'worm whole' but ended up in his a day younger self...
We definitely need a vid.
I think theres 3 kinds of time travel.
Mostly we see the one where the present Barry visits the past or the future.
The other type is going back to an earlier point after a possible death(just like a time loop). It happened in the great tsunami and the flash/arrow crossover with the explosion.
Last one is Nora rewinding time similar to ZSJL Flash during Supes resurrection and the most epic Flash scene in existence(at least for me).
But I guess there could be a video explaining all three types of time travel
bro i laughed so hard when Eobard Thawne said “in many ways nora has shown me what it’s like to have a daughter” 😂 😂
Flash is always interesting and turns into a convoluted mess then a reboot occurs and the cycle continues and through it past plots make no sense
I gave up watching it because it got boring and confusing because of what you described
Ok but what if his real plan was to become a paradox? Gives him an endless life because the speedforce wants the timeline to be as stable and without change as possible
He kind of already was. That’s why he came back. Plus, the speedforce can’t do anything about Thawn since he’s part of the negative speedforce which is a whole separate thing
@@ange1noha1o but negative speed is cancer it’s siphons off the positive speed force
@@jamaurharris338 yes but it still exists separate from the positive speed force
That’s what I thought his plan was. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pops up in the current season since the actual speed force didn’t die. OR maybe we get a new version of him since it’s post crisis.
@@ange1noha1o the negative speed force isn’t necessarily its own thing, it is like a branch of the speed force since it feeds from it. Still a good take you got though
Nice to see you again king 👍👍👍
Ikr lol
The reason that the wraiths didn't attack Barry during Flashpoint is because the Speed Force knows what she's doing. She also knows about every possible future. So she knew that Barry would suffer under his own consequences and reverse things. No need for her to step in.
6:33 Simple answer Barry's friends with the Speed Force, so no time wraits after him (Friendship confirmed from with first few episode of Season 7 which aired till now)
Next question: Thawne cant move fast enough to travel in time. Barry can travel fast enough to travel through time. Thawne is faster than barry. Thawne can't travel through time? (Maybe Im just missing something that I should remember)
Thawne knows how time travel works so he can’t move recklessly like Barry without altering the timeline and or alerting the time wraiths and black flash.
What if eobard knew that barry wont save his mother so he just told him to open a portal to the past, for barry to have a reason to open a portal to the past for eobard
If you remember in season 3 Into the Speed Force, when Barry is talking to the Speed Force version of Eddie, he said that they let him create Flashpoint because Zoom had just killed his dad. That’s why Time Wraiths never came after him in the Flashpoint timeline.
rewatched the episode the other day and wondered the same thing
7:04 no Barry didn’t luck out in 3x15 into the speed force, the speed force explains that the only reason it didn’t punish Barry was because it was feeling bad because barry had just lost Henry as well
In the season 3 episode where Barry goes into the Speedforce to save Wally, The Speedforce says that they let Barry do Flashpoint because they understand Barry's grieving.
Oooh. I do remember that actually and the Speed Force does seem to have a deeper connection with Barry. I think the time wraith they sent in episode 17 of season 2 was just to scare off Barry because why kill him. Then they don't send one after Barry for Flashpoint because of what you said and hoping he would learn his lesson in the future.
Can you also talk about how it made sense that Thawne was still imprisoned if Cicada was cured? Like how does that make sense. The dagger disappeared from existence when baby Cicada took the cure so how was Thawne kept imprisoned by something that doesn't exist? The part about changes take time to solidify doesn't even make sense since the point in time baby Cicada took the cure and Thawne imprisoned are years apart
and the answer to why eobard wanted barry to save Nora is because he's from the future and the newspaper from 2024 says flash vanished in crisis so he knew barry would not save her although he thought he would get home since he built his own speed force and can think really fast but thought wrong.
It was because the Eobard that Barry stops would and did become a time remenant while the one Barry knew gets to leave. Even so that time remenant eobard wouldn’t lose his connection to the negative speed force as we saw in legends of tomorrow.
How fast was Earth-90's Flash?
It would be nice seeing the OG Flash getting a video explaining what his top speed was.
Mad coincidence that I have started rewatching the flash today and am 7 episodes in. That's kind of a crazy coincidence, but I guess with the amount of people that watch your vids, the odds that one person would be in my situation isn't as unlikely as it seems
Make that two
I think he did it because he knew Barry inside and out, past and future, and also knew he wouldn’t actually do it. It took his dads death to finally push him over the edge
Hey you should make a video on phasing/vibrating, cuz as of now it seems like you can do anything. You can phase through ppl and kill them, you can phase through people and not kill them (zoom phased through caitln and she was fine) u can counter act a reverse flash by also phasing (nora tryna kill barry) you can become invisible, you can grab something through a wall which is weird cuz how do they control what they are phasing through and what they aren't. U can also break stuff (jay broke that cup) Also what happens if u stop midway through wall. Will the wall explode, do you get stuck in the wall, do u get every single atom split open and die? Also how do they control the phasing and not enter flash time, because u have to vibrate at a certain frequency so you can't just shake your arm as fast as you can. What does phasing look like to speedsters, since to us the arm is vibrating fast but to them in flash time they are just very slowly moving their arms and somehow it passes through stuff. Also they say different stuff is different frequency, so if there was a table, and stuff on the table, how do you phase through all of that stuff at once. If they can phase through anything, can't they just fall to the other side of the earth. He once phased a thing into the pillar to stop cicada, how come the thing was fully in tact. Theoritcally he should be able to phase out of stuff attached to him, so like if there was food in his mouth theoritcally he can phase and run really fast and the food would be left behind.
On a side note, can they control their lighting, cuz a speed mirage theoritcally should have the lightning in between. Also if he is running and suddenly 180s would he run into his own lightning.
Its always a good day when comics posts
Yep😉
I'm glad you started making these vids because I started rewatching the flash
I love how the way everything Barry does to save who he loves always ends up with Eobard Thawne coming back
I always figured Thawnes real agenda other than just "getting home" was that in the future, he has the tech, power and the ability to fully restore his speed, something he can't do in this time with the current level of technology and resources available, cause I feel like he would need something that's exotic to this current time to do it, something that's actively gettable in the future, something like a concentrated form of energy source or maybe a particle accelerator built to get to something no particle accelerator built today can get to. Anyway, after restoring his speed, he would've continued fucking around with Barry's life.
Also, side note here, but I think I figured out why Eobard managed to come back after being "erased" in season 1, remember how he said the negative speed force is immune to timeline changes? well even if he wasn't in it when he got erased, the fact that he has a connection to it prevented him from being completely erased, and instead just being dumped somewhere else in time or his speed force
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1:50 not necessarily, you see in the original timeline Barry doesn't become Flash untill 2020, however Wally getting powers before Barry could easily be effect of changing the timeline, think of it like this, there is original timeline, Thawne goes back kills Barry's mom creating arrowverse timeline, Barry saves his mom putting timeline to how it was with some changes like wally becoming flash before Barry
I mean, we can see the reason in the Flashpoint episode: he knows Barry could never stay in that reality permanently. It’s the ultimate way to torture Barry. And especially since Barry would have to ask Thawne for help to undo it, it’s extra cruel. Thawne said it himself: “you’ll never be truly happy, Barry Allen.”
As always, wonderful video!
3:52 - That was not the show. That was just Jay Garrick. And they simply used that explanation for Flashpoint anyways.
I think you misunderstood the whole thing. If Thawne at the end of season 1 did not tell Barry to go and save his mother, the future he returned to would not be his because thawne killing Barry's mother is what created a new timeline for him and Barry saving his mother, his mother did not die in thawne's time, would set the timeline back to thawne's original one
Finnaly new viedo thx
Question: where did future flash go after he left Eobard in the past since his timeline was erased
Every time u change the timeline u create another one it’s the basics of Quantum Mechanics and Cisco Vibed the timeline of Flashpoint from another timeline which was the very same timeline of S3’s Flashpoint and the Speedforce allowed Barry to live in Flashpoint that’s why no Timewraiths were hunting him!
One thing that confuses me in the season 1 finale of the Flash Eobard Thawne wanted Barry to go back in time to save his mother. However in the season 3 premier titled Flashpoint Eobard wanted Barry to allow him to kill his mother to fix Flashpoint. So shouldn't the version of Eobard Thawne from season 1 already know that Barry saving his mother would just create Flashpoint having already experienced it when he was younger?
I'm pretty sure either Thawne forgot just like everyone else forgot about Flashpoint except Barry because he created it, or he went back to his original future
@@marsmurderer9868Actually the season 8 Armageddon crossover proves that Eobard Thawne already knew about Flashpoint all the way back in season 1.
Great Video!
How about the future that doesn't exist anymore? Why would Eobard want to return to a future that he's not even familiar with since he drastically altered the timeline by killing Nora? That's the only question I've been having for the past 6 years
i also
Probably because he didnt think of the changes to his future or maybe there wasnt any since he lives around 2151 and the changes probably arent major or there arent any theres really no reason but thawne isnt stupid. he probably knew his future wasnt affected because its too far
When Barry was in the speed force in season 3 the speed force tells him that they allowed him to do flashpoint that’s why time raiths didn’t go after him
Crazy timing. I just rewatched the flash season one and finished it yesterday
Still waiting for comix to do a video on how fast season 7 the flash is.
he’s about uhh 3 kilometers and 5 seconds slower than last season and we know this because you carry the one and uh multiply it by 1 and the divide it by 0 and you get 2 miles
Did anyone else notice the break in the coffee mug when looks like the lighting bolt on Barry’s cowl?
Bro your so underrated still on 200k that's bs 💪💪
It think that the Speed Force keeps copies of the previous timelines and that's where the past time remnants comes from and that's where Eobard went in s2 ep11. That's where past Barry would go such as the 2024 future in season 3 as it no longer exists in the main timeline but past Barry will end up going to a copy of it. Eobard may have been trying to go to a copy of his original timeline maybe.
My theory is that changes to the timeline are impossible to notice unless you are also a time traveler, meaning if Thawne gets to his own future before Barry reseats the timeline, he’s free to enjoy his own remnant of time, until he time travels again
We not gonna talk about the cool cinematic shots for the intro?
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At least we finally figured out why Eobart had such a hate boner against Barry,it's not just because he hates him,it's also because of the artificial speed force he created with rage as his power boost
Love your vids man keep it up
I think it makes a little more sense if you see it from just a season 1 perspective, without the (even more) timeline breaking context of the future seasons.
Eobard knows that his interference in the past is the reason his connection to the Speed Force is fucked and why he is stranded. By letting Barry save Nora, he effectively restores the original timeline, therefore his original future, so he can go back and have his proper connection to his Speed Force back.
He is willing to go back to a world with OG Future Flash, if that means having his speed back proper and being able to go home.
I wish they would use Matt Letscher more
Man I love your videos a bit too much
The Reverse Flash should be the main villain of The Final Season of THE FLASH.
That background music u got is def A1 makes me feel like I’m playing old Pokémon Red
If you payed attention to many of the things thawne said in season 1, he went back in time to kill Barry after learning the flash’s identity. After Barry rushed his younger self out of there he wanted to do the next worst thing and kill his mother so many of his actions were out of spite and hate and he would harness the negative speed force just like him
Yay your back to CW flash epic
Why Barry didn’t get the time wraiths after him for making flashpoint is because the speedforce let him, it states that when Barry goes into the speed force in season 3 to save wally
In the last 2 episodes it will go through the night where this will take place and the reason Barry ran off and disappeared is because he hid himself in the speed force because of the changes he would encounter
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Bro you are awsome dude I love ur vids
Best way to put it, it would've put them in a time loop repeating the same timeline over and over again
The only this is when the time wraith didn’t come after Barry in flashpoint is because in one episode the speedforce said to Barry we let you do it because your mum and dad died
Actually Back to the Future works the same way too. Remember, the "branched" timeline was going to overwrite the other so Doc and Marty HAD to go and fix things. If the branch created a separate universe they could just hop onto their old one but that's not what they did. So basically not too different from Flashpoint.
The Negative Speed Force isn't the only place immune to timeline changes. The Waverider is too.
3:18, now imagine if all those speedsters were in Crisis
He wanted him to grab past him so he could survive.
I think the reason the time wraiths didn’t come for Barry in flashpoint was because the speed force allowed it. Because when Barry enters the speed force to save Wally, he tries to take his place, saying flashpoint is his fault and the speed force says, yes they know and that they allowed him to live in that alternate timeline.
Simple answer Barry's friends with the Speed Force, so no time wraits after him (Friendship confirmed from with first few episode of Season 7 which aired till now)
@@faiz.marvel yes while that might be true now, back in season 3 the speed force and Barry didn’t have the best relationship. If you rewatch the episode when he enters the speed force to save Wally from the prison, the speed force tells him “we aren’t going to be as accommodating as last time” because the whole point of him getting his powers back after zoom took them was that the speed force felt he had accepted his mother’s death, and because of flashpoint the speed force felt betrayed
@@whaleroad527 maybe we will get the actual reason later on
@@faiz.marvel yes hopefully so
To try and fix Don's mistake going back in time trapping him in that time keeping his home the same that it was when he left. So basically trying to get everything normal for when he goes home
i think, if thawne goes back in to the future and barry saves his mom, in the far away future, the timeline will become the original timeline line where barry gets his powers in 2020 and his parents are still alive
When someone ask if you have a plan and you tell them but they did not understand
*insert joker pic*
"You wouldn't get it"
Crazy how they basically fuck up this idea of no branching timeliness in season 9
As he states that no time wraith was after Barry when he created flashpoint, in season three in the speed force they said that they let him create flash point because zoom just killed his father
He knew it would create a Flashpoint
6:32 Didn't the Speed Force later tell Barry that they let him make Flashpoint because he was traumatized by his father's death?
it was all to show and crush barry knowing it wouldnt be able to stick or barry wouldnt allow it to. just cementing to barry that he took his mom away from him forever.
I just want to point something out that has nothing to do with the video. The titles of the finales for the first 3 seasons sound like the all fit together. Season 1: Fast enough Season 2: Race of his life Season 3: Finish line. FAST ENOUGH TO DO THE RACE OF HIS LIFE AND REACH THE FINISH LINE
Because he wanted to back to his own timeline, which is the one that existed before he killed Nora
I think Barry just enters another timeline when he changes the past and the previous timeline still exists. Since Eobard is also a speedster, he can go to the timeline he wants, he just needs something like the wormhole. But yeah, the Arrowverse does constantly change their time travel rules.