For me it's the repetitive, someone gets upset and leaves the room, and then the group looks at each other intensely and decides who is going to have the heart to heart. One person goes to talk to the upset person and then the issue is "resolved." Happens at least twice an episode.
What I hated was the fact that messing with time and creating new timelines or universes was such a cop out. Whenever the show wrote itself into a corner, it basically rebooted itself
@Zek Kiel Their day to day's allowed the world feel okay as soon as they started throwing full time crime stopping duties the show started having dumb scenarios for them to be in.
Lucifer did the "meta surrounded by regular humans with a steadily growing cast" way better than Flash did, AND it had a satisfying ending. Thank god it was never on the CW
the cw knocked the casting for the entire arrowverse superheroes out of the park (grant gustin, melissa benoist, etc) but they did them so criminally wrong with everything else
I would point out that Team Flash in season one is even smaller than it appears, since Wells isn't actually a true member in that season - being the villain and all. Yes he fills the role, but halfway through the season we learn the truth and that flips his entire dynamic on its head. Plus, that actually makes Team Flash a useful plot element, with the betrayal, rather than the drag it became later.
also for a little while, Team Flash is two people: Barry and Cisco. Caitlin is reluctant at first until Barry and Cisco wear her down (we only really see this in one episode, but presumably it's been a little while in-universe. Maybe a week or two)
One little thing that could’ve made the show so much more visually appealing they just ignored. In the first episode, it starts with Barry examining the crime scene and the diameter of tire tracks. It showed like measurements in white as in the perspective of Barry, and it was really cool. In every CSI investigation they could’ve put examinations in white and let us see through the perspective of Barry, but nah, every CSI investigation had to turn into Barry pointing something out, having a pep talk about something in his relationships, then him darting off towards STAR labs to examine the evidence and some funny but bullshit computer hacking sequence 😂
The ONLY good thing the show did were the villains through 1-3, RF (Reverse Flash) was a villain from the future, Zoom was a present villain, and Savitar (believes to be) was a villian from the past. Their themes were also matching, RF had helicopter noises that seem like the future, and Savitar had loud choir singing as his theme
The inconsistency I found most hilarious is one episode where he is able to run to China and back in a few seconds, but in the next, he is unable to run across a large vestibule and back in time to prevent a villain from running out the door.
@@tanvirali7817 I don’t remember it that detailed. *spoiler alert* it was when he was in prison, and while the camera was off him, he ran his cell mate to China and returned before the camera rotated around again. Then one or two episodes later, someone distracts him by dropping civilians from the upper floor, and he doesn’t have time to run across the lobby and save them before the villain escapes. I think he actually runs slower than a regular human sprinter in that scene, just with the lightning effects added.
@@alexp6712 Yeah it was the fucking Goldberg lol. Flash really had the weirdest inconsistencies like The final battle with Savitar who's like The fastest Guy ever but Jay , Barry And Wally caught up to him like he was a regular speedster. Also the plot of Wally being faster than Barry never went anywhere. It's so damn frustrating and that's why I dropped it after S4.
@@alexp6712 You'll love the new episodes. You know that whole time traveling thing Barry loves to do and loads of speedsters semi-regularly do? Apparently Barry goes "evil" finds out it was reverse Flash manipulating the timeline to make him the flash and Barry the reverse flash (without explaining how) but to undo that Barry needs to time travels which suddenly causes the earth to break into pieces. (Why now? Who knows.)
@@tanvirali7817 They never said he was faster, just that he adapted to his speed faster than Barry did. And apparently almost everyone that gains speed does… Having said that, would we really want to watch a show where every new speedster is much much slower than Flash?
Fun fact: there is a episode of this show in the brazillian-portuguese dub version that someone didn't edited the audio properly and, in the episode, we can hear the voice actor say "this dialogue is shit". The actor recorded the line, than trash talked the line right after and the guy who should cut the insult from the record, simply didn't cutted out.
Barrry fights a villian. He fails. He sulks. He gets a pep talk. He beats the villian. This is the main go to for every single episode. I gave up on the series in season 5.
They've now added "Instead of fighting criminals Barry just says "Don't do it" and runs off without knocking out or jailing them naively thinking they'll instantly reform."
The "bargain visual effects aren't the problem, poor writing is" argument is so spot-on, it sums up every bad season perfectly. It costs nothing to write proper build-ups, tension, stakes, character motivation, and every established storycrafting technique that grabs and keeps an audience engaged episode to episode. Consistency also costs nothing but costs everything if one screws it up. This show needed a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke, paired with a network that believes in them. Never liked Berlanti, but that's just me.
"a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke" is very funny. "A visionary director with the mettle of, say, Martin Scorsese or JJ Abrams".
@@brunak4356 they have to constantly nerf him, that’s the issues with speedsters, they are extremely op and you either gotta make all there villains speedsters or weaken them to make it fair
We joke about this every season. "I am the fastest man alive" yet every season theres a speedster faster than him... lol more like "My name is Barry Allen and I am one of the top 5 fastest men alive"
Grant Gustin is a fantastic Flash, but I've always noticed how they never let him fully utilize Barry's sense of humor in the show. He sometimes felt more like Barry when he guest starred on Arrow or Supergirl.
I completely agree!! Barry is so funny in a way that no one else is. Not only his humor but his intelligence seems to be more remembered on the other shows (earlier) I mean I get it because the other characters fill roles but damn can he get a little slice of something 😓
If only the CW took a page from the Justice League cartoons. In that show, Flash is every bit as powerful as you would expect, but in that Flash is shown as being a guy who cares for the villians and the people of the city. The villans get a leg up on him by putting him in situations where he has to choose between stopping them, or saving innocent lives. Just adding this one character trait/flaw would make the CW Flash so much more interesting.
@@BlakeFiery- The flash could have immediately taken away snarts gun, and Joe wasn't even in the way of getting hit and Barry runs a further the distance than he has to because smart hasn't even fired the gun at the time Barry runs past him
@@JashXD What exactly made Flash extraordinary? It was because he was unique and not many others were gifted. Then everybody gets powers and he became just ordinary. Sure he's fast but his powers don't make him special anymore. Super means amazing. The reason superpowers are super is because not everybody gets them. To give another example, why is coal worth so little compared to diamonds? It's not only because of how dull it is. Coal is useful for starting fires but it isn't rare. Google says there's over 1.06 trillion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. You can't sell it as something amazing when it's so common Hope I explained it well. LMK if your still confused and which part you don't get
"You are my lighting rod" wasn't bad but it also wasn't good. Its definitely cringe but I'll allow it. BUT Iris saying "We are The Flash"....Just no, I liked Patty better. Patty would have never said that cringe shit.
Or how he messes up and gives up until he is talked back into it with a very.long.talk. It's like some writer wants us to know why they won a writing certificate in 10th grade.
@@Glisten456 Then someone else runs even faster, then some Flash ally runs fast but not quite as fast, then the whole team has powers and terrible costumes, then someone runs faster and Barry runs faster again! After watching a few CW shows, usually stopping when I realize I haven't watched it in a while and don't really care, I've learned my lesson to just bail on purpose at the third "oh come on now this is dumb". They always fuck it up with hokey drama, completely changing everything that made it fun in the beginning, and rapid repetitive power creep. Arrow started out with a guy who went pretty nuts after spending ages alone on an island, becoming a violent and murderous vigilante. Step by step they introduced new shit he did on the island until he actually spent a couple of days alone on the island, completely rewriting the whole premise, and defeating his foes with the power of friendship. Of course he, the brooding loner, gets a huge team of buddy buddy also superpowered vigilantes going on wacky adventures together. Of course there's also endless poorly written drama between them. AND THEY STOPPED DOING THE SALMON LADDER WORKOUT SCENES! Those were so fucking tasty
My take on Iris is that they really shouldn't have had her be both Barry's adopted sister and love interest. Ignoring the Alabama vibes, if you can call them that, she doesn't have a clear relationship to Barry, and him basically falling in love with the person that he's been raised with is it really good indicator of how much they didn't know what to do with her. Have Iris be a person who Barry is introduced to through some other way, such as being a reporter chasing down the same case that he's working, and have him build up relationship with her that is predicated first on their mutual respect for each other's capabilities, and then you'll have an interesting arc and love interest. However, when you have him just be in love with her because pseudosibling weird reasons, you have a character where you don't have a lot of room for them to grow
I think the phrase “Run Barry, run.” worked well ONLY with the Reverse Flash. It was first a sort of encouraging phrase from him to Barry before he revealed he was the Reverse Flash, but then it became almost a way of mocking him and I loved that in Season 1. Buuuut now anyone says it sooooo…. Yeah
I love season 1, it's actually interesting compared to the rest, but i think the issue also came from there as the formula they use in every single episode coming after that is just the same but getting worse each time, the fights in season 1 actually carried weight as they tested barry's and his team's strenght (as well as speed) and sometimes, they would force the main villain to do smth (like how Eobart was almost forced to use his speed to run away from the electric lad). Now it all feels like an anime filler episode
I actually think it works well with Barry's dad too and arguably Joe. Barry's dad telling him to run works well cause he was just a kid, and Eobard coming back and saying it to him as his mentor adds a connection to the 2 for Barry. Eobard is his mentor and idol and is repeating the same line thst Barry's father said to him when he was just a kid. As you said, its like reverse flash is mocking Barry. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard Barry's dad say that the night Nora died and holds that over Barry as encouragement and a reason to stay angry at him and get faster. And I think Joe saying it works because Joe is that new father figure in his life. It only works like twice though. I think it's fitting for him to say it after zoom kills Henry to give us that sense of a passing of the torch moment almost.
I get so frustrated whenever the show uses "Run Barry, Run" as a way to get him motivated. It worked so well in the first season. The phrase has lost all the charm and "power" it had because the show just uses it so damn much!
honestly for iris, she could have worked as a main character if they leaned more into her journalist/investigator job, imagine if she was the one that found cicada, she was the one who figured out who savitar was, who reverse flash was? but in a way that made her seem like a skilled investigator, which considering she was raised by a cop, her being good at that isnt hard to believe, and in turn, we wouldnt have needed that ridiculous french sherloque. Iris could be the person to show that you dont need superpowers to be a hero, which is what the earlier seasons of the cw arrowverse were a bit better in portraying.
YES ABSOLUTELY THIS, I wish they'd kickstarted her journalist arc sooner, especially given how much s1 emphasizes her growing to love journalism/investigative work. They had it in s1, then they just...forgot about it except briefly in s4 and s5, and then in s6 they really drove forward with it. But they could've had it as a plotline THROUGHOUT the show, instead of trying to shove her into a box she doesn't fit
@@renderimage7700 No that was just a stupid title he was given during Crisis. There's a world of difference between trying to talk sense into criminals who actually have guilt for their actions, fighting the irredeemable ones and what Barry's been doing in seasons 6 and 7 that is thinking that naively saying "Don't do this" will magically reform all criminals.
@@renderimage7700 Hell they called Kate Kane from Batwoman the "Paragon of Courage" when in Season 1 of that show she broke into Bruce's house, stole his Batman suit and gadgets, got angry at being mistaken for Batman despite being dressed like him, actually accused him of taking credit for her work when it was the other way around, said the Batsuit would only be perfect when it fits a woman, constantly let criminals she caught get away and instead of taking the ones she knocked out to either Blackgate or Arkham she just left them. She also kept letting her crazy sister Alice kill more people. So courageous "sarcasm."
It's crazy that Arrow and The Flash were both better shows when the titular characters were basically working alone. The best parts of Arrow were usually the flashbacks, Oliver working on his own, or him talking about the island. The polygraph episode is still my favorite. The reveal of him lying about the island because the people there tortured him was such a good reveal. Barry working with a small team that is teaching him how to be a hero is good. And despite it being literally shown to us early on the reveal of Harrison Wells being Reverse Flash had some genuinely good writing. The team never questioned how Wells somehow knew so much about the speed force or how he knew how it felt to phase through a wall. Him talking about it was such a good nugget pointing to the reveal I wish that they kept us in the dark as much as the other characters were. So we could piece it together along with Barry.
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I agree with everything you said about arrow that polygraph scene was so good. I’m pretty sure the detective seemed a little bit sad even though he hated Oliver. What it could have been.
Barry in the comics: *runs to library to learn construction then rebuilds a crumbling building, all within literal fractions of a second* CW Barry: *Runs Fast*
wait he fucking did that? Damn. That is really fucking cool. I want to see that shit. I don't want to see him berated for being human and get shot by a dude with a potato gun.
25:49 Whilst you are right in saying he is a badass, I think that what makes Barry such a good character in general is the fact that he cares In the animated series, he knew every person he saved by name, lived in an apartment with barely any furniture, he prioritised saving and helping people - even villains - over his own interests and any semblance of glory (Such as the Flash museum) And personally I don't think they did that iteration justice in the Arrowverse But I feel like they tried And ended up making him reliant on a lot of other characters which defeats the point of this dude with superspeed who turns out to be *just a random millennial with superspeed and a good heart saving a whole city all by himself*
They really did try to show his compassion towards the people he saves (the episode with Frankie, where he reassures and hugs her will always make me emotional), but the problem is we don't see enough of it. The show is so eager to get on with its plotlines, and even when we get filler, it's not stuff that we SHOULD be getting in a superhero show: Barry being a hero, interacting with the city, with the civilians (we did get some of that in s1 with the villains of the week and Barry showing them compassion here and there, but never with non-meta civilians or at least non-villains). Maybe a few sidequests here and there, where he does something that isn't plot-related but furthers his own arc as a hero, because he learns about how every little thing matters - not just stopping the bad guys, but helping out the little guy too (also if it's put in the right season, it COULD be plot-related: there's an episode in s4 where the city rallies together to help find DeVoe, but wouldn't that hit a lot stronger if we've seen the goodwill Barry built up with the civilians, rather than being TOLD about it?)
@@malikpierre-louis3343 My mistake, but honestly the point kinda still stands The Flash is best when he is a relatable dude with superpowers - kinda like Spiderman
I haven’t watched any of the shows covered: Riverdale, Sabrina and Flash but watching Space Ninja break down why these shows didn’t work is weirdly entertaining
I watch a channel that reviews board games. I hadn't played a board game for decades. I didn't buy one for years watching them either, until they really did an amazing one and had to just get it. Been watching them for close to 8 years and bought 1 game. But I watch every new video they put out practically immediately. TLDR, I get ya.
This is full of painful truths as a longtime Arrowverse fan. My nostalgic love for the series makes me want to argue your points, but they're all true. I can barely stand the show anymore.
Just wait till the CW somehow gets Ben 10. Oh boy would they have a field day with the multiverse version of Gwen having the Omnitrix. Star Wars, He-man, Batwoman, Supergirl, Wandavision, Loki, Ms. Marvel vibes
@@americankid7782if you rewatch it it’s a great scene, and season one only uses it a few times but it’s kinda “eh ok that’s fine”, then season 2 starts and your like “wait.. where is it” for three episodes, then it’s overload till the show ended seven years later
I like how many times you pointed out that it's not the actors that are doing a bad job, it's the writing. Which is 100% true, Grant Gustin is THE Flash, and the fact that we can all see that despite the shit writing just proves how amazingly well he fits the character. Just imagine what he could do with some actual good writing. I dropped off after season 5, and it's just heartbreaking to see how far the show has fallen. Really hope they manage to pull something coherant together by the finale.
You can tell the actor playing iris doesn’t really put her all in her scenes like she use to in the past seasons. I stayed past S6 but seventh was almost unwatchable for me
@@tweeks9896 from the few clips I've seen of the later seasons, it feels like all the OGs that haven't left yet are just sleepwalking through their scenes. Especially Joe and Iris yeah. They all deserve so much better.
I feel like the CW's motto is: "You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain" because they refuse to cancel shows even when everyone that once love them, thinks they are awful
Honestly this show has been suffering from bullshit contrivances and manufactured conflicts since the beginning of season one. Barry stopping to chat with the bad guy instead of knocking them right the fuck out or relocating them, that’s been an problem since season one.
There is no reason that a show should take more than 6 seasons to tell its story. Unless you are a show based on lots of books like GOT, which actually had the opposite problem and needed a lot more seasons
As someone who was really into the show I agree when you say that season 3 was when things began to fall apart. I can’t really explain it but after they revealed who Savitar was it just felt dragged after that point and I just lost track of what was going on aside from the “fixed event” that was to happen.
I have a feeling Grant Gustin is extremely grateful for those episodes where he doesn't need to do anything. He (and most of the main cast) have probably settled into the Ackles/Padalecki 'paycheck' phase of their job, they know the show isn't good but it's paying for the mortgage.
I actually think that Iris could have worked really well if they leaned into the reporter thing more from the beginning. I only saw seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil, but Karen Page always felt like what Iris should have been. A regular person who didn’t need powers or incredible combat training or genius intellect to go up against bad guys. Someone with street smarts, empathy and determination to uncover the truth and expose corruption. That would have given her a unique niche on Team Flash instead of forcing her into becoming the team leader (for some reason) or a speedster.
I 100% agree, Karen was Matt's love interest, but she was still her own person outside of this relationship. She was a 3 dimensional character with her own goals, she made mistakes and actually had to suffer the consequences of those mistakes. She never needed any powers to contribute, and never tries to take the spotlight away from everyone else. Nothing ever feels forced and we actually care about her. Also I highly recommend watching Daredevil Season 3
Season trailer: Barry outrunning a galaxy-level threat. Season content: Iris's dad pregnancy scare while meeting the in-laws with his too-young girlfriend.
OMG THIS 😂 It was chilling the first few times especially during the death of Barry’s mom but they kept doing it even Oliver says it and it just sounds ridiculous now
If Barry looked a bit pale they'd go "Sun Barry sun." Or if someone was aiming a weapon at him "Gun Barry gun." Or if he ran past a church "Nun Barry nun."
My partner and I were fans of the show the first few seasons. (Except for Iris. I hated that character from the moment she appeared but that's another tangent lol) The thing that finally made us just give up was the inconsistent airing schedule. The show would air like 2 episodes then be "on break" for 2 weeks. Get another episode or two, then 2 more weeks without one. It was so hard to keep track of when the new episodes were actually on and we realized we didn't even really care to keep up. I honestly had no idea it had even made it to 7 seasons.
Riight. In season 7 suddenly Barry’s whole family just ends up with superpowers out of knowhere. And when they go to fight the villain, they don’t even use super speed. They use lighting stars and lighting swords and shit 💀. I was like wtf even is this show. There seems to be no real plot, plot twists, no more humor, it’s so bland
That is the problem with the CW. All they make is soap operas. At it's heart ALL of their shows are trashy soap operas for a niche audience. Like trashy soap operas for teens or trashy soap operas for nerds or trashy soap operas for other nerds or a remake / spinoff of an existing trashy soap opera. I should know I love trashy middle eastern soap operas. But I go in knowing after season 1 things are going to get convoluted and unbelievably crazy. Everyone's going to have an evil twin, people will start faking their deaths and by the time the show wraps up everyone will have f***** everyone at least once in the most dramatic way possible. But by it's very nature trashy soap operas are not well written they have a very specific formula they use as a blueprint for every single episode and every single season. They use up all their good ideas in season 1 and they're hoping you care enough about the characters by the end of season 1 you'll sit through the next 15 seasons. But most people don't enjoy trashy soap operas and I don't blame them, I have never finished a full soap opera because it gets too wild and also somehow boring by season 4 and I actually enjoy them. But people who go into these shows thinking that it's going to be an actual good show or who don't know that CW exclusively makes soap operas are going to be really disappointed and really let down and I feel bad for them!
Nah Supernatural was definitely a soap opera especially in the final seasons. One of CWs biggest problems was they had no clue when they had good storylines or villains.
Barry: “I’m the Flash.” Iris: “See that’s what you don’t get. You are not the Flash. We are.” Pretty much sums up every direction this CW show is going in
Hate that line so much man. Hated even more now since Barry and Iris re-creates the speed force a supernatural force with the POWER OF THEIR LOVE!! WHAT???
what’s painful is that Grant is *so* good. he just has that look and emotion and snark that is all Barry Allen. I can’t imagine someone else doing what he does, and now he’s wasted in this show, and it’ll take ages until someone tries their hand on this kind of Flash story again, and it won’t be him. I like Flash in JL (the Zack Snider version) just fine, but there’s something about Grant that is perfect for this
18:35 _"But then season 4 completely ignores that."_ This is a big recurring issue. A season ends in some way. Then the very start of the next season just says "nah". This happens a lot in movie series that haven't been fully planned out as well. Instead of developing the stuff they've already set up, they just throw it away and make up something new. It's as if they don't know how to write longer spanning stories.
I love how in elseworlds Oliver queen says “I don’t think you can go over 9 hours without getting a sappy motivational speech” so this means the writers know what’s going on but just don’t care
@@thomasraines1396 exactly. At best, that kind of self awareness is just pointless and adds nothing. At worst it actively harms the show because, as originally pointed out, it just shows that the writers see what’s going on, they just don’t give a shit.
If I recall correctly, the Caitlin/Killer Frost was explained that kinda makes sense coz we are presented with new information that just wasn't there in the first place. The main canon for them is that there had been Frost all along stagnant on Caitlin's head. So at the time where Caitlin was vulnerable or unsure this act up. It just so happens that it's also the time where Barry admits to doing the flashpoint. In my head it makes sense for Killer Frost, the repressed, stagnant tool in Caitlin's head would act up and use this to try and get what she wants which what happens when "she turns evil". Remember at this time Cailtin doesn't forget what she does as KF so my theory is Frost is heavily suggesting in her head to do this and that. I mean when there's voices in your head you'd think you're losing your mind and not that there's another entity inside you. When KF overrides their body, Caitlin probably steps aside and let the 'autopilot' do it's thing without again realizing that this autopilot is not an extension of her but a whole another person. By S4 where she finally realize that there's two whole person and physically manifests itself, Frost is not being subtle about it, Caitlin just don't get absently get autopiloted but get kicked out of the driver's seat hence why she doesn't remember it this time when it's Frost that's on the seat. When they finally knew about the truth about their existence and true origin, they try to get along moving on the same body, hence why at times the other is aware of what's happening even if they're not on the driver's seat. I imagine the stagnant would occasionally watch what the other is doing as opposed to the previous dynamic where they try to best each other to drive alone. The origin about their dad also gives way to the answer why dark matter wasn't detected in Caitlin that time on S2. It's coz her powers did not come from the particle accelerator dark matter. Like Cait's dad basically made a clone or potential clone to help with her illness, imagine like that storyline in my sister's keeper. Then there's the wonky science explanation how they cloned and separated Caitlin and Frost. So that's how we arrived here. I'm not saying it's oerfect but I think Caitlin/Frost thing kinda makes sense and not as bizarre as you made it seem. All I'm saying is the origin and the dynamics between Caitlin/Frost is the lesser issue to talk about than how the writers give Caitlin so much trauma where she then have an angsty response from and then the next episode it's okay and brushed aside and then they'd bring it back again. I mean, I understand that trauma kinda works that way but like they throw Caitlin a man to be infatuated with for the first few seasons then they break up then she gets emotional again bout her dead husband but she also would seem sincere when daying another man. Just like what they did with Iris and Eddie with "screw the future" which Eddie sacrificed his life for onky for Iris to move on with the man who he essentially saved by offing himself. It just that it made me root for westhawne and then we get the westallen bs where we are supposed to believe that they loved each other all along when Iris rejected and string along her technically not brother to be with Eddie and "screw the future". Smh
Season 4 was my favorite because of the Thinker, his ability to think 40 years ahead makes him on of the best foils to the overpowered Flash you never know if anything that goes wrong for him is just part of an insanely long term plan. I loved the relationship he had with his wife in the show, especially the part where she discovered she had been mind wiped over and over stuck with me. Of course, the way they took him down was an asspull, there's no way this writing team could have managed otherwise.
The first and last times Thawn said "Run, Barry, run." in season 1 worked because that was the first big 'get up and go' moment that Barry had as a superhero, echoed by his mentor and secret arch-enemy. It was a beautiful story-thread that should've ended with Thawn. Now its just tired and over-used. Its lost all meaning.
Yeah, early on it felt epic.... then it just became a deus ex machina for the bad writers. It makes me sad because when the Flash is written well, its my favorite thing in the world. Thankfully the comics are actually good right now, and wally finally isnt being crapped on by the editors.
I stopped watching the show early on in season 4 and seeing those clips of that Godspeed guy was just shocking to me. Back when I dropped the show I thought it was getting pretty lame but there was nothing in it anywhere near *that*. How could anyone involved with making the show see that and think that's a good villain? I really don't get it. The lightsaber fight was pretty hilarious though. I'll give them that. Though I don't think that's what they were going for...
@@BrandonHeat243 yeah same, im rewatching season 1 and it genuinely still holds up, its so crazy to me how they messed this up so bad later on which really sucks
“…If this show introduces one more character that refers to Barry and Iris as, “Mom,” and, “Dad,” I am going to shoot a cannonball right into the $@&$ sun!” This is the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard!
Thank you! I suffer through all of this shows bullshit, but THIS is what’s the final straw for me. Grown ass people seamlessly just calling them mom and dad without missing a beat. It’s so irritating I want to chuck my tv out the window.
It absolutely killed me when Deon kept calling Barry dad. There was a whole 90s episode establishing he's older than Barry, he's probably got his own parents, why the hell would that guy call Barry dad?!
@FriendlySpace This IS a video I have NEVER forgotten. Simply because you hit it on the nail PERFECTLY and echo so many truths about modern TV and movie writing, I've felt about for a long time. And sadly, about the Flash and Arrow. Since this video was uploaded your spot on wisdom has been proven right in so many movies and TV shows since. CW was once a fantastic place for comic book fans and created a superb TV universe. Their "Crisis" event was a true treat for fans because they bought back a lot of universes and actors from the past. CW actually beat MCU to the multi verse by many years as well as proving these characters CAN work in the same screen together. But, as shown in this video, somewhere along the way CW started to become lazy and it's CLEAR even the actors on The Flash and Arrow started to look either bored or aware they were being served with substandard material. You can even tell it on their faces or body language. SURELY it's not rocket science to realise that adding new characters constantly will choke and damage main characters? When it was literally up to 9 characters made up of main and supporting characters the show had balance. It flowed and paced well. The audience ARE NOT STUPID. And their patience isn't limitless. Hollywood clearly looks down on us. Tragic because, as the Flash and Arrow showed, when you have the audience on your side, it creates a result where we're winners. Worst of all? CW betrayed the great actors who worked so hard to start the CW universe from the start. David
Let's be real, speed isn't the problem, lack of brains is. Take a shot every time Barry runs into a room, stops and talks to the villain instead of immediately knocking them out or moving them to star labs cell
@@FerunaLutelou EXACTLY. The first few seasons were good but repetitive, but now the show just sucks in every way. Barry doesn't need a team of speedsters to help him stop a mugging, the show is supposed to be about him, and how he's one of the only super heroes at star labs.
Its really hard to write the Flash, because his speed should solve pretty much everything within a few minutes of the intro. So his speed varies tremendously not just from episode to episode but from scene to scene. He can either dodge bullets, or cannot dodge a punch, depending on what the writer wants to do.
They should have stuck with Flash's rogue gallery being oddly light hearted and sympathetic. Like, I remember a scene from the comics where Trickster is causing trouble but Flash asks him if he has been taking his meds. Not as an insult, seriously asking him and Trickster reveals he hasn't. Flash talks him down and gets him help. I loved that scene. Flash actually knows his villains and cares about the why behind their issues. Scenarios like that would have been awesome to see in the show.
YES. Even the _Justice League: Unlimited_ cartoon included this plot point in one episode. Even better, the Trickster is voiced by Mark "The Joker" Hamill. =)
I just want them to point to the ADHD, and they don't have to come up with excuses why he can dodge a bullet then runs into a punch. Barry is late again, Barry forgot he can throw lightning again because he was focusing on pure speed, Barry got analysis paralysis again because his brain sees a hundred steps to a simple task. I know Impulse is more often portrayed as stereotypical ADHD kid, but Arrowverse Barry fits an adult who learnt to cope, it's not a rare thing, and saying it runs in the family is realistic.
Crazy idea: villains arent obvious attention vvhores but instead intelligent criminals who avoid lime light and Barry with his forensic skills (you know, his actual job) and with the help of the team he needs to figure out who is the criminal. Meanwhile the rest of the time writers can actually explore characters in the show and their relationships. Just because Barry is fast and superhero that doesnt mean that is all there it is to be in the show.
@@ChaosPrototypeIX That's actually an excellent idea. One Flash rogue with plenty of potential here is Murmur, a former surgeon turned serial killer who's trademark is removing his victim's tongue. They could also go the route _Batman: Arkham City_ took and revamp some of their villains to be more realistic/serious; for example, turning Calendar Man into a serial killer.
That scene with him comforting his dying mom before she dies from her injury’s really hits me in the feels which is why seeing the horrid mess the show has become is so so sad and disappointing It had so much potential
The flash season 1 had something magical about it. The cinematography and the use of the soundtrack. Barry being a excited nerd with powers. Cisco being a extreme excited nerd who's friends with a superhero. All the charachters were just so much better in season 1 because now they are all basically the same charachter
It was the best yeah, even the plot twist of Harrison Wells being Reverse Flash the entire time, that was the best writing we got in that time. Damn, even season two wasn't that bad, in the third season everything became worse as time progressed.
Season 1 have so much heart. I won’t say it is the best writing, but the heart was there and it made me love the characters. The scene with Barry and his mother was so heartbreaking, but it was memorable and good. I wish that they would have just let that plot point stay and never made Barry create Flashpoint (Which only lasted 1 episode which was also a mistake.)
I actually have a semi-decent solution for the Iris problem. Take her out of the Team Flash dynamic. Let her be an ace reporter who will go drastic lengths for the story. Let her naturally discover things that Barry can’t by being a great journalist. They allow glimpses of that, but never pull the trigger on it.
@@jordanjohnson8150 well to be fair it doesn't make ZERO sense, sure it doent make much sense, but its not zero. they tried to explain it as cisco just didnt want to be in charge, and the rest by more of a confidence thing. like iris was the only one who didnt freeze up with barry gone so the others just kinda fell in line. not the best explanation but its what the show gave, and it does at least make a LITTLE sense. anyway about your idea though. your idea can also help solve another issue the barry failing to stop criminals his powers easily could. the initiating event for each small episode villain can be played more like a mystery, rather than it being a more active catch them in the act kinda thing. iris investigating something comes across a crime while investigating something unrelated. so iris is largely off screen doing whatever that is, but each episode can start with her throwing them some case they need to solve on thier own because shes busy with her thing, but still gotta stop crimes. so she is still involved each episode with an important role, but minimally on screen, and bary couldn't have solved it in the first three seconds. two birds, one stone, and everyone including the CW execs and writters that want iris to be super important can all still be happy.
@@e.corellius4495 That is a fair point. That part had slipped my mind. You are correct. Also, I like you elaboration on that initial idea. I think that would work great!
Ok for the record, Tom Cavanagh is the only one who can sell the, "Run Barry, run" line. I get chills every time he says it & i dont need the context of the episode or story.
Along with Barry's powers being inconsistent, they also consistently do things that end up taking Barry's powers away, which gets frustrating as hell after the second or third time it happens
Fun fact: the person who plays all the versions of Harrison Wells(Tom Cavanagh) actually helped direct the season 1 finale of Superman & Lois and is actually planning on directing more of the show and to be honest, I’m happy for him. Ty Tom you were a great actor and will always be the best Arrowverse villain in many people’s eyes.
Most fights in the first two season could be ended with Barry running up and knocking the enemy out but instead he stops to flex how powerful he is then gets laid out and runs to star labs. All the characters just made bad choices all the time but it was still better than the later seasons.
Sad part is, I actually really like a lot of the actors, particularly Barry, Iris, and Joe - Joe especially. The actor just cracked me up all the time watching it - he would get a cheeky smile every now and again, one that I took as “yes…this is ridiculous…but it’s fun right?”. Idk what it is about him, but he’s legitimately one of my favorite actors. It’s sad that I couldn’t keep enjoying his performance cause the show itself stopped being enjoyable (I only watched the first two seasons)
true, Joe is my favorite bc of how relatable he is. He knows how he's put into a ridiculous world with godlike abilities. He doesn't do anything too crazy but just has fun with it.
Same. I lost interest after season 2. I watched a little bit of season 3 and stoped watching. I only watched when the flash and arrow or supergirl were having a crossover
“Because I hate you, not you now, you years from now” is one of my favorite lines. It shows while he hates Barry overall to his core that “our” present Barry is such a good person that it even rubs off on Thawne
the tragic downfall of CW DC Tv show's. S1 Arrow: Oliver was a brilliant tactician with indepth knowledge in science chemistry and programming. S9 Arrow: Oliver can't fight alone even after being trained and bested Ra's Al Ghul, also he was smacked around by a couple of cops a few times. (PS he also forgot any knowledge he had about weapon designing, science, chemistry or general street smarts) Flash S1: Barry realizes that speed doesnt only mean running velocity, he can also think at insane speeds and effect his clothes as well as enviroment. Flash S7: Other people point out that Barry can think at Super speeds, Barry is shocked by this revelation. Do they even bother with writing?
My favorite inconsistency is actually how Barry Allen is a super nerd and spends his free time reading science articles and going to a particle accelerator event. He's only in his current field as a forensic scientist because he's trying to find his mom's killer: helping other people is kinda the side gig. So then in season 5-6 they randomly have him geek out at different technology like he knows all about it, but then he also needs everything explained to him by caitlyn and cisco.
@@F_Alh The story in Superman and Lois stands for itself, though you might be confused by a few references and cameos, more specifically regarding crisis on infinite earths, but you'll be fine even if you haven't watched a single arrowverse show.
You nailed it on the head with Barry being a zero dimensional character. Eight years in and he still hasn't grown as a character. In fact, it almost seemed as though he regressed into an asshole in season 7. I'm tired of him never knowing what to do and getting his ass kicked by EVERYBODY.
I really liked the first episode where he had an analytic mind. Then he kept getting hit while being the "fastest man alive". How does he not stop every crime a few minutes AT MOST after they start.
@@cthulhutheendless1587 But he doesn't really run faster. Almost every season has someone faster than him and he seems to regress in speed when he meets new or old enemies... And yes I know it was a joke.
Same here. This is the Flash for crying out loud and why does he need a (human) team. Allies and friends I understand, but in the comics he could take on the villains on his own using his super speed in any way possible.
Videos like this are so gratifying because it's such a relief to quit a show in frustration and then see years later that I was right to abandon hope and cut my losses 🙌🏽
The problem with these shows is that they don’t know how to stop. At some point, they’ll inevitably run out of ideas and they’ll start caring less and less about the quality as well. That’s what led to the downfall of most of the arrowverse shows imo.
@@pacermusicmaker7930 yep, they go for some if the most intriguing storyline from the comics but without the development or build up so they end up being quite poor. That's especially true for the crisis on infinite earths storyline. Like that was one of the biggest events in dc comics but they screwed that up pretty much. I wa so excited for that event then it ended up being pretty mediocre. I understand the budget constraints but the writing was quite bad.
@@osmano675 yep and me and a lot of fans thought for some reason, they would redeem the season with godspeed and make it an okay ending to the season. Boy were we wrong. Like you said, it dragged for way too long and godspeeds motivations were so stupid its unreal 🤦♂️
Barry: Fights villian Barry: *loses* Barry: " I'm not fast enough" *goes to the hallway* Some random team flash member: " I'll go talk to him" Barry: * Sits on the floor and ponders life choices* Some random team flash member: " The power of love will help you, you are unique. Now run Barry, RUN!!" Barry * Goes Mach 23455468900986424" *Theme song plays in the background" Barry: *Beats the villian* Team Flash: "Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy, you did it barry." Barry: No, WE did it ( i just summarized an entire episode)
The Flash is the PERFECT example of a show that could have been a stellar mini-series. Season one, with tighter pacing and a planned finale??? Gold. Boy howdy, I really hate this "keep running until we get canceled" trap that maims every fun show I start to like. IMO, if we're going to keep putting unhinged, poorly-written storylines on television, we might as well take a page out of the Kdrama playbook and free the actors/writers/IP once the season is over. No one deserves to be trapped in the Arrowverse this long lmao.
It doesn't have to be a mini-series, but it definitely would have been better with shorter seasons. Season 6 shows this. The episodes running up to Crisis were the highlight of The Flash since season 1/2. It had an entire arc, and a focused storyline that was about Barry trying to solve a singular issue for the first 8 episodes. CW is still using the formula that they used with Smallville, only Smallville wouldn't work with the way we consume modern television.
@@thegreatpapyrus2306 COVID seems to have been a big issue. Due to making it during the pandemic the season order was cut down a few episodes. I guess they weren't confident in their ability to finish the arc before the season ends, so it continued into season 7, but season 7 also needed to set up its own stuff. So everything ended up unsatisfying and messy.
“Do you remember when you landed a show on the CW, and the first season was pretty good but the quality declined with each new season to the point of being unwatchable? It was me, Barry. I founded the CW and hand selected the writing staff so you would always be remembered for starting in one of the worst comic book shows of all time!”
The worst thing about Iris is that she grew up with Barry together and has seen him work through his grief closer than anybody, so her calling Barry insensitive for not trusting his mother's killer makes absolutely no sense at all. That scene ruined her character beyond redemption for me and the showrunners keep putting her at the forefront and make her the sole reason for any of Barry's actions which is pathetic.
@@LannetteActing Not even the point. The POINT is that she literally called Barry insensitive for not trusting Thawne. Let YOUR arch-nemesis murder your mother over some petty B.S. reason and then have to decide whether to trust him or her in the future and then let your spouse call you insensitive for not trusting the arch-nemesis. Thawne is the reason for literally EVERY season of the Flash it all connects to him. In season 1 he's the Reverse Flash and in the finale he created an opening for Zoom to come by for Season 2 who then murdered his father who then made Barry create Savitar which led to the end of H.R. Wells. Thawne created DeVoe which led to Cicada (both of them). Thawne created Mirror Monarch. Almost every loss if not every loss Barry suffers is connected to Thawne murdering Barry's mother. But hey Barry's insensitive right?
@@LannetteActing you are missing the point. It is not about choosing between dead mom and daughter from future. Barry has seen thawne kill his mother in front of him and he couldn't do anything. He is the very reason Barry can't trust anyone that looks like Harrison Wells for a long time. Why do you think he should trust Thawne with his daughter, he did not want him to ruin their lives anymore. Anyone with a logical mind would take this decision
I keep praying the writers will steal the idea from Barry’s pre-Crisis comics and move Iris somewhere in the future to protect her (and the kids, later) from Thawne and other speedsters.
The absolute fall of The Flash was the final nail in DC CW-verse, because what a fall! Arrow was Batman-lite, but it was solid, until Season 4. Supergirl was... Okay? But Season 2 started to fall apart, and Flash really fell apart in Season 3. Once you start to notice the "CW template" (like you have), plus their plot lines and budgetary shortcomings, you can't watch anything from it (but Superman & Lois is the only thing I watch now). Seeing The Flash now in Season 7 makes Power Rangers look good, how does it get WORSE?! As a Flash fan who rocks KF... (Oh Kid Flash...), seeing Flash in live action shows and movies shouldn't make me constantly cringe. I'll get a proper good Flash adaptation one day, with maybe a blonde Barry, but at that time, I'll be either old or dead.
Supergirl is actually the only show that has gotten better as it has progressed. Once Jon Cryer came aboard the quality of the show skyrocketed. You can tell that he is having the time of his life and it infected the actors making them do a better job as well. Even side characters like Nia and Brainy are better than anyone who joined team arrow after season 3 or Flash. And I'm glad they are ending it since that means they can actually end on a high note before it turns bad. But Superman and Lois is the future, the early years of Arrowverse did things on TV that we thought we would never be able to see in live action. It took the stick Smallville had put down and gave us incredible moments and stories. I think it's time that they end all the original Arrowverse show and start putting their money on projects like S&L, stargirl and doom patrol. They are proof we can still get quality DC television shows, it's time we graduated past stealing the Buffy and Angel model just because its cheap and easy, Legends stopped doing it after season 3 and somehow was allowed to morph into a stoner show, but it's about time they ended that too. The only thing I would want to keep from it is if they put in some of the HBO money and gave Matt Ryan and Tom Ellis a 10 episode cross country mini series of Constantine and Lucifer.
I feel bad for Candace Patton, it's not her fault the writers fucked her character up and now everyone hates her character. Candace deserves better. I pray she leaves this show, and gets better roles.
I absolutely agree with this analysis. The additional thing that killed the show for me was that Team Flash was so disfunctional. I think that started from season 2 onward. Each one kept stupid secrets, which they kept to themselves, causing stupid misunderstandings, causing unnessecary problems with the team, making them unable to cooperate in a reasonable way. And each following season it was the same.
I agree with the original analysis, but also agree with the fact that overusing the "I have to keep a secret that will divide us" trope helped kill the show.
Like when Cisco was all upset with Barry because apparently Barry wouldn’t go back in time and save his brother but he did time travel and saved his mom.
It's in the CW's DNA. Smallville was arguably inspired inspired by Buffy, with both running on the same channel for a period. And both had dysfunctional teams. But they were mostly teens in highschool, so it made sense. But over the decades, CW ran the formula into the ground.
The thing about the Flash being overpowered is that, while there are situations, like with armed goons, that are too easy to solve, all the writers would've needed to do to add tension would've been to add real physics. i.e. make it so that the Flash *can't* just pick people up out of danger because the sudden shock of speed would fracture and break multiple bones or even outright kill them anyway if he tried. That way the question of "why doesn't this idiot just take the bad guy to prison/save everyone" wouldn't come up every goddamn time. Have a sequence where he's discovering his powers he hits a test dummy but learns that most of his attacks will straight-up kill someone rather than knocking them out. Thus giving him an actual *reason* to punch at normal human speed unless the opponent is particularly durable. You'd still need to find a way to nerf his reaction time in fights, but at least, by getting rid of those other overpowered elements, you'd bring the character closer to a point where villains can be *SOMEWHAT* of a threat.
@@TheKpa11 I'd say no, superman is in a position where you can introduced cosmic beings that are really powerful that would see superman as fodder. The Flash falls in that in between where he's too powerful if you just give him other meta humans to deal with, but too weak when you get into the cosmic and more over powered villains.
The problem with this flash is this... In order to have enough going on to fill a whole tv show, they couldnt just focus on one character. So they had to make a team. The only way a team will work is if the flash needs them. The only way for him to need them is for him to never evolve and shed the team, so he stuck in a constant "need help" state. The flash is constantly dealing with other dc characters in the comics, but they dont have the rights. So the show itself is what makes him a bad flash.
But what defines "a whole TV show"? Plenty of shows focus on one character and maintain traditional support roles. The key is to not order 22 episodes for a story that only needs 6. That's the *real* issue with most American cable TV shows - the episodes are made to order so that the network can pump out as many ads as possible, instead of the creative team dictating how many episodes are actually needed to tell the story they want to tell.
I actually liked Run Barry Run from Wells in season 1 since it’s kind of a nod to the fact that his Dad said it to him on one of the most traumatic moments in his life
I think everyone liked it the first time but it has been reused so much by everyone that it lost its spark. Just like what someone else in the comments said, it should have only been used by Thawne
It's worse than that. They've gone from saying Barry is powered by the Speed Force to saying he's powered by Iris's love. Even though her feelings for him are just lust because if it was love she'd like him for more reasons than looks and sex.
30:03 Do you think that the second “run” is necessary for Barry to start running? Like, if someone say “run, Barry!!” He would just stand still waiting for that second “run” 😂
the biggest issue with the series is that they didn't bother being consistent with the Flash's actual power. 90% of the villains on the show wouldn't be able to hold a candle to him.
YES! There's a whole channel that talks about this in the first three seasons of the flash, "The flash is terribly inconsistent" if you want to check it out. (Just fyi, he does swear a lot though).
I love how there's this one episode where Barry moves so fast they contain an entire episode in the space of a few seconds, and in another episode he gets tripped by marbles and then can't find the normal ass person who fled on foot literally seconds earlier.
I never want to hear the words ‘Run Barry run’ again
Run Barry, Run😭
Then have a... Run forrest run...
Well, I agree, but you got to admit that saying '' dance Barry dance'' (or any other word that run) wouldn't have worked for him 🤣
And it’s always so serious, why can’t they say it enthusiastically or as a joke at least a couple times? Just to break up the monotomy.
“Die Flash die!”
For me it's the repetitive, someone gets upset and leaves the room, and then the group looks at each other intensely and decides who is going to have the heart to heart. One person goes to talk to the upset person and then the issue is "resolved." Happens at least twice an episode.
Classic CW
THEY DID IT THREE TIMES IN ONE EPISODE
And the upset person never seems to make it past the hallway before its resolved. Relationships are easy in CW land.
What I hated was the fact that messing with time and creating new timelines or universes was such a cop out. Whenever the show wrote itself into a corner, it basically rebooted itself
Fr and they ALWAYS say " i got it"
I loved Barry as a forensic expert. I was expecting him to juggle his job and superhero duties. But like immediately he is a full time superhero.
@Zek Kiel Their day to day's allowed the world feel okay as soon as they started throwing full time crime stopping duties the show started having dumb scenarios for them to be in.
@@lawsoflycurgus The Show had always bad writing,
evidend by Madvocate making an hour-long Criticism-Video about it.
No Fr tho they literally forgot all about his day job we only saw forensic shit in like season 1 and that’s it
YES, I was also really hoping for more forensic expert stuff.
Lucifer did the "meta surrounded by regular humans with a steadily growing cast" way better than Flash did, AND it had a satisfying ending. Thank god it was never on the CW
the cw knocked the casting for the entire arrowverse superheroes out of the park (grant gustin, melissa benoist, etc) but they did them so criminally wrong with everything else
EXACTLY
To me it’s the opposite, with the casting of the movies and writing of earlier episodes the films or shows would be perfect
They didn’t cast melissa
@@Hillareas true but still
Melissa is a good “Superman” copy not Supergirl, she’s meant to be gritty and disturbed not Clark Kent from Wish
I would point out that Team Flash in season one is even smaller than it appears, since Wells isn't actually a true member in that season - being the villain and all. Yes he fills the role, but halfway through the season we learn the truth and that flips his entire dynamic on its head. Plus, that actually makes Team Flash a useful plot element, with the betrayal, rather than the drag it became later.
also for a little while, Team Flash is two people: Barry and Cisco. Caitlin is reluctant at first until Barry and Cisco wear her down (we only really see this in one episode, but presumably it's been a little while in-universe. Maybe a week or two)
One little thing that could’ve made the show so much more visually appealing they just ignored. In the first episode, it starts with Barry examining the crime scene and the diameter of tire tracks. It showed like measurements in white as in the perspective of Barry, and it was really cool. In every CSI investigation they could’ve put examinations in white and let us see through the perspective of Barry, but nah, every CSI investigation had to turn into Barry pointing something out, having a pep talk about something in his relationships, then him darting off towards STAR labs to examine the evidence and some funny but bullshit computer hacking sequence 😂
The ONLY good thing the show did were the villains through 1-3, RF (Reverse Flash) was a villain from the future, Zoom was a present villain, and Savitar (believes to be) was a villian from the past. Their themes were also matching, RF had helicopter noises that seem like the future, and Savitar had loud choir singing as his theme
The inconsistency I found most hilarious is one episode where he is able to run to China and back in a few seconds, but in the next, he is unable to run across a large vestibule and back in time to prevent a villain from running out the door.
Is that the Goldberg episode?
@@tanvirali7817 I don’t remember it that detailed. *spoiler alert* it was when he was in prison, and while the camera was off him, he ran his cell mate to China and returned before the camera rotated around again.
Then one or two episodes later, someone distracts him by dropping civilians from the upper floor, and he doesn’t have time to run across the lobby and save them before the villain escapes. I think he actually runs slower than a regular human sprinter in that scene, just with the lightning effects added.
@@alexp6712 Yeah it was the fucking Goldberg lol. Flash really had the weirdest inconsistencies like The final battle with Savitar who's like The fastest Guy ever but Jay , Barry And Wally caught up to him like he was a regular speedster. Also the plot of Wally being faster than Barry never went anywhere. It's so damn frustrating and that's why I dropped it after S4.
@@alexp6712 You'll love the new episodes. You know that whole time traveling thing Barry loves to do and loads of speedsters semi-regularly do? Apparently Barry goes "evil" finds out it was reverse Flash manipulating the timeline to make him the flash and Barry the reverse flash (without explaining how) but to undo that Barry needs to time travels which suddenly causes the earth to break into pieces. (Why now? Who knows.)
@@tanvirali7817 They never said he was faster, just that he adapted to his speed faster than Barry did. And apparently almost everyone that gains speed does… Having said that, would we really want to watch a show where every new speedster is much much slower than Flash?
Fun fact: there is a episode of this show in the brazillian-portuguese dub version that someone didn't edited the audio properly and, in the episode, we can hear the voice actor say "this dialogue is shit". The actor recorded the line, than trash talked the line right after and the guy who should cut the insult from the record, simply didn't cutted out.
what episode? i wanna see it
I need to see this!
Just found it, not even the brazilian The Flash likes his lines XD
@@Josh-oj9mm ruclips.net/video/3hPeau5Z3dw/видео.html&ab_channel=nemseivideos
Say no more
Barrry fights a villian. He fails. He sulks. He gets a pep talk. He beats the villian. This is the main go to for every single episode. I gave up on the series in season 5.
Barry every season: I need to get faster
They've now added "Instead of fighting criminals Barry just says "Don't do it" and runs off without knocking out or jailing them naively thinking they'll instantly reform."
After season 4 it just gets meh
At least with arrow they changed up the formula
I gave up in Season 4 when they beautifully established the Thinker then they killed off the actor playing him the next episode!!!
The "bargain visual effects aren't the problem, poor writing is" argument is so spot-on, it sums up every bad season perfectly. It costs nothing to write proper build-ups, tension, stakes, character motivation, and every established storycrafting technique that grabs and keeps an audience engaged episode to episode. Consistency also costs nothing but costs everything if one screws it up. This show needed a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke, paired with a network that believes in them. Never liked Berlanti, but that's just me.
Well it does…
It costs good writers and we know WC has none of that
Omg, did I accidentally mistake the letters of the CW to write 🚾 🚽??!
Oh no…
"a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke" is very funny. "A visionary director with the mettle of, say, Martin Scorsese or JJ Abrams".
@@xzczcwc I agree with the point you're making but you didn't have to do
kripke THAT dirty lmao
"My name is Barry Allen, I'm the 42nd fastest man in my building."
BUT TRUE THO
Barry Allen, the fastest man alive at forgetting things.
Barry Allen, the fastest man at making people lose braincells
There's nowhere to run
Villains : walk
@@dadatheartist-pt4th well he’s not running.
"My name is Barry Allen, and I'm the Fastest man alive..."
*Gets hit by everyone's attacks* lol
😂😂 yeah true
I dont get how he can run so fast he travels through time and still there are scenes where he isnt fast enough?? what is happening???
@@brunak4356 that's what happens when comic book characters are brought into the cw they became trash 🗑️
@@brunak4356 they have to constantly nerf him, that’s the issues with speedsters, they are extremely op and you either gotta make all there villains speedsters or weaken them to make it fair
We joke about this every season. "I am the fastest man alive" yet every season theres a speedster faster than him... lol more like "My name is Barry Allen and I am one of the top 5 fastest men alive"
Grant Gustin is a fantastic Flash, but I've always noticed how they never let him fully utilize Barry's sense of humor in the show. He sometimes felt more like Barry when he guest starred on Arrow or Supergirl.
I completely agree!! Barry is so funny in a way that no one else is. Not only his humor but his intelligence seems to be more remembered on the other shows (earlier) I mean I get it because the other characters fill roles but damn can he get a little slice of something 😓
I love Grant Gustin as The Flash bro… it’s a shame how the show he’s in isn’t as incredible as he is lmao
In just the bloopers he's so charismatic and funnu wtf
Barry is not the funny one that was wally west when he became flash after Barry died
The Show had always bad writing,
evidend by Madvocate making an hour-long Criticism-Video about it.
If only the CW took a page from the Justice League cartoons. In that show, Flash is every bit as powerful as you would expect, but in that Flash is shown as being a guy who cares for the villians and the people of the city. The villans get a leg up on him by putting him in situations where he has to choose between stopping them, or saving innocent lives. Just adding this one character trait/flaw would make the CW Flash so much more interesting.
I get what you mean because they’ve done that in a few episodes of the Flash
Like S2 E9
But that would mean hiring good writers. That costs money. And CW is really low budget.
the did do that, still didn’t save it lmao
@@BlakeFiery- The flash could have immediately taken away snarts gun, and Joe wasn't even in the way of getting hit and Barry runs a further the distance than he has to because smart hasn't even fired the gun at the time Barry runs past him
Like Syndrome said, “Once everyone’s super, no one will be.”
The Incredibles?
@@memrioxox yes
no why would no one be super that makes no sense
@@JashXD 🤦♂️
@@JashXD What exactly made Flash extraordinary? It was because he was unique and not many others were gifted. Then everybody gets powers and he became just ordinary. Sure he's fast but his powers don't make him special anymore. Super means amazing. The reason superpowers are super is because not everybody gets them.
To give another example, why is coal worth so little compared to diamonds? It's not only because of how dull it is. Coal is useful for starting fires but it isn't rare. Google says there's over 1.06 trillion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. You can't sell it as something amazing when it's so common
Hope I explained it well. LMK if your still confused and which part you don't get
Worst lines in flash history because of the CW.
3. "You are my lightning rod"
2. "Run Barry Run"
1. "We are The Flash"
Run Barry Run the first gave me goosebumps. After that it was just lame.
The run Barry run was chilling the first time you heard it. The lighting rod one I think is cute
"You are my lighting rod" wasn't bad but it also wasn't good. Its definitely cringe but I'll allow it. BUT Iris saying "We are The Flash"....Just no, I liked Patty better. Patty would have never said that cringe shit.
Those 3 Lines Just Made Me Feel So Disgusted I Cant Even Describe The Feeling
"We are the Flash" is the one of the most cringe thing came out of this show
Barry: I can’t do it
Everyone: have you tried running very fast?
Barry: **runs very fast**
Barry: I did it
Barry's arc: Goes from a character who runs fast to a character who runs faster
Or how he messes up and gives up until he is talked back into it with a very.long.talk. It's like some writer wants us to know why they won a writing certificate in 10th grade.
*Wanna see me do it again?*
@@Glisten456 Then someone else runs even faster, then some Flash ally runs fast but not quite as fast, then the whole team has powers and terrible costumes, then someone runs faster and Barry runs faster again!
After watching a few CW shows, usually stopping when I realize I haven't watched it in a while and don't really care, I've learned my lesson to just bail on purpose at the third "oh come on now this is dumb". They always fuck it up with hokey drama, completely changing everything that made it fun in the beginning, and rapid repetitive power creep.
Arrow started out with a guy who went pretty nuts after spending ages alone on an island, becoming a violent and murderous vigilante.
Step by step they introduced new shit he did on the island until he actually spent a couple of days alone on the island, completely rewriting the whole premise, and defeating his foes with the power of friendship. Of course he, the brooding loner, gets a huge team of buddy buddy also superpowered vigilantes going on wacky adventures together. Of course there's also endless poorly written drama between them.
AND THEY STOPPED DOING THE SALMON LADDER WORKOUT SCENES! Those were so fucking tasty
@@Glisten456 super easy, barely an inconvenience
My take on Iris is that they really shouldn't have had her be both Barry's adopted sister and love interest. Ignoring the Alabama vibes, if you can call them that, she doesn't have a clear relationship to Barry, and him basically falling in love with the person that he's been raised with is it really good indicator of how much they didn't know what to do with her.
Have Iris be a person who Barry is introduced to through some other way, such as being a reporter chasing down the same case that he's working, and have him build up relationship with her that is predicated first on their mutual respect for each other's capabilities, and then you'll have an interesting arc and love interest. However, when you have him just be in love with her because pseudosibling weird reasons, you have a character where you don't have a lot of room for them to grow
I think the phrase “Run Barry, run.” worked well ONLY with the Reverse Flash. It was first a sort of encouraging phrase from him to Barry before he revealed he was the Reverse Flash, but then it became almost a way of mocking him and I loved that in Season 1. Buuuut now anyone says it sooooo…. Yeah
I love season 1, it's actually interesting compared to the rest, but i think the issue also came from there as the formula they use in every single episode coming after that is just the same but getting worse each time, the fights in season 1 actually carried weight as they tested barry's and his team's strenght (as well as speed) and sometimes, they would force the main villain to do smth (like how Eobart was almost forced to use his speed to run away from the electric lad). Now it all feels like an anime filler episode
The fucking dog next door: Run Barry run
@@ClaudetteVioletta 😂😂😂
POV: They're actually mocking him.
I actually think it works well with Barry's dad too and arguably Joe. Barry's dad telling him to run works well cause he was just a kid, and Eobard coming back and saying it to him as his mentor adds a connection to the 2 for Barry. Eobard is his mentor and idol and is repeating the same line thst Barry's father said to him when he was just a kid. As you said, its like reverse flash is mocking Barry. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard Barry's dad say that the night Nora died and holds that over Barry as encouragement and a reason to stay angry at him and get faster.
And I think Joe saying it works because Joe is that new father figure in his life. It only works like twice though. I think it's fitting for him to say it after zoom kills Henry to give us that sense of a passing of the torch moment almost.
I get so frustrated whenever the show uses "Run Barry, Run" as a way to get him motivated. It worked so well in the first season. The phrase has lost all the charm and "power" it had because the show just uses it so damn much!
So true… it went from being a powerful motivator to a silly meme
And when they use it on other characters... yikes 😬
@@kuddlecat Exactly, it doesn't fit them either.
it's too Eobard related and that's what made it special: he was his very first mentor but turned out to be his worst enemy too
@@kemuelr2460 then don’t fucking watch it
"You either die a Daredevil, or live long enough to see yourself turn into the flash"
Looooooooooool this is jokes
Le funny
Amen
Fax
Well said sir well said
honestly for iris, she could have worked as a main character if they leaned more into her journalist/investigator job, imagine if she was the one that found cicada, she was the one who figured out who savitar was, who reverse flash was? but in a way that made her seem like a skilled investigator, which considering she was raised by a cop, her being good at that isnt hard to believe, and in turn, we wouldnt have needed that ridiculous french sherloque. Iris could be the person to show that you dont need superpowers to be a hero, which is what the earlier seasons of the cw arrowverse were a bit better in portraying.
YES ABSOLUTELY THIS, I wish they'd kickstarted her journalist arc sooner, especially given how much s1 emphasizes her growing to love journalism/investigative work. They had it in s1, then they just...forgot about it except briefly in s4 and s5, and then in s6 they really drove forward with it. But they could've had it as a plotline THROUGHOUT the show, instead of trying to shove her into a box she doesn't fit
OOH! I actually really like that!
Basically a sort of Lois Lane, reminds me of Smallville's Lois Lane
@@rhuonaChanel Or any Lois Lane, really. lol
That is true. She would make more rational decisions than Barry.
"You can beat the villain Barry, because the power of love or whatever"
Straight facts
Now run, Barry RUN!
"Use the Care Bear Stare Barry."
@@renderimage7700 No that was just a stupid title he was given during Crisis. There's a world of difference between trying to talk sense into criminals who actually have guilt for their actions, fighting the irredeemable ones and what Barry's been doing in seasons 6 and 7 that is thinking that naively saying "Don't do this" will magically reform all criminals.
@@renderimage7700 Hell they called Kate Kane from Batwoman the "Paragon of Courage" when in Season 1 of that show she broke into Bruce's house, stole his Batman suit and gadgets, got angry at being mistaken for Batman despite being dressed like him, actually accused him of taking credit for her work when it was the other way around, said the Batsuit would only be perfect when it fits a woman, constantly let criminals she caught get away and instead of taking the ones she knocked out to either Blackgate or Arkham she just left them. She also kept letting her crazy sister Alice kill more people. So courageous "sarcasm."
I swear every episode has "Barry let's talk" "Barry a moment" "Barry a word"
it's just 💀
I skip those parts
And "Run Barry run"
hallway talks
Ik!!!!!!!!!! It soo like.....
.. bBRUHHHHH
"Barry have a seat."
I find it fascinating how every CW superhero show has a good first season, a better second season, and then completely falls apart.
That’s why I’m worried for superman and Lois; however in arrows case it fell apart in season 4
Another special case is batwoman due to how bad it is
I don't know if I'd say Arrow season 4 was where it fell apart. More like season 4 was the crash caused by season 3 blowing the rails apart.
Supergirl might be the exception, since Season 2 was where the problems started to pop up and become more apparent.
@@TF2Fan101 I’d concur there. I’d also say another exception is Black Lightning since that was consistently good throughout.
@@TF2Fan101 I did like season 2 as it had a faithful superman
It's crazy that Arrow and The Flash were both better shows when the titular characters were basically working alone. The best parts of Arrow were usually the flashbacks, Oliver working on his own, or him talking about the island. The polygraph episode is still my favorite. The reveal of him lying about the island because the people there tortured him was such a good reveal.
Barry working with a small team that is teaching him how to be a hero is good. And despite it being literally shown to us early on the reveal of Harrison Wells being Reverse Flash had some genuinely good writing. The team never questioned how Wells somehow knew so much about the speed force or how he knew how it felt to phase through a wall. Him talking about it was such a good nugget pointing to the reveal I wish that they kept us in the dark as much as the other characters were. So we could piece it together along with Barry.
I agree with everything you said about arrow that polygraph scene was so good. I’m pretty sure the detective seemed a little bit sad even though he hated Oliver. What it could have been.
"Iris has no powers"
Excuse me?! She obviously has the power of love and friendship!!
@Bon Bon It is
🤣 🤣 🤣
🤣 🤣 🤣
Lolllll. She sucks.
@Bon Bon no worries, I'm 25 years old and was just being a sarcastic little sh*t
We're cool dude
Barry every single time: "I can't do it, I'm not fast enough"
Supporting character every single time: "Run Barry... run"
Tom Cavanaugh is the only one who's allowed to say that honestly. He executed that line so perfectly, and hearing Iris say the line just wasn't it.
@@Standard-Gamer fr
It's the only reason they keep bring back Tom Cavanagh, so he can say it.
Forrest would be proud with all that run run-ing.
At this point Barry might as well be Forrest fucking Gump
Barry in the comics: *runs to library to learn construction then rebuilds a crumbling building, all within literal fractions of a second*
CW Barry: *Runs Fast*
@@jac0bb episode*
CW Barry: Gets punched by someone without super speed. Repeats 1000x.
@@erikakerboom2101 🤣🤣🤣
wait he fucking did that? Damn. That is really fucking cool. I want to see that shit. I don't want to see him berated for being human and get shot by a dude with a potato gun.
@@Mangeen also
Gets distracted by somthing that takes like 2 seconds and the bad guy leaves
25:49 Whilst you are right in saying he is a badass, I think that what makes Barry such a good character in general is the fact that he cares
In the animated series, he knew every person he saved by name, lived in an apartment with barely any furniture, he prioritised saving and helping people - even villains - over his own interests and any semblance of glory (Such as the Flash museum)
And personally I don't think they did that iteration justice in the Arrowverse
But I feel like they tried
And ended up making him reliant on a lot of other characters which defeats the point of this dude with superspeed who turns out to be *just a random millennial with superspeed and a good heart saving a whole city all by himself*
They really did try to show his compassion towards the people he saves (the episode with Frankie, where he reassures and hugs her will always make me emotional), but the problem is we don't see enough of it. The show is so eager to get on with its plotlines, and even when we get filler, it's not stuff that we SHOULD be getting in a superhero show: Barry being a hero, interacting with the city, with the civilians (we did get some of that in s1 with the villains of the week and Barry showing them compassion here and there, but never with non-meta civilians or at least non-villains). Maybe a few sidequests here and there, where he does something that isn't plot-related but furthers his own arc as a hero, because he learns about how every little thing matters - not just stopping the bad guys, but helping out the little guy too
(also if it's put in the right season, it COULD be plot-related: there's an episode in s4 where the city rallies together to help find DeVoe, but wouldn't that hit a lot stronger if we've seen the goodwill Barry built up with the civilians, rather than being TOLD about it?)
Well said
Wasn’t that Wally in the animated series
That was Wally in the animated series.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 My mistake, but honestly the point kinda still stands
The Flash is best when he is a relatable dude with superpowers - kinda like Spiderman
I haven’t watched any of the shows covered: Riverdale, Sabrina and Flash but watching Space Ninja break down why these shows didn’t work is weirdly entertaining
Same.
I watched some of their seasons but I stopped. Thank god
Same-I’d rather watch commentary of the shows rather than watching the shows themselves
same
I watch a channel that reviews board games. I hadn't played a board game for decades. I didn't buy one for years watching them either, until they really did an amazing one and had to just get it.
Been watching them for close to 8 years and bought 1 game. But I watch every new video they put out practically immediately.
TLDR, I get ya.
This is full of painful truths as a longtime Arrowverse fan. My nostalgic love for the series makes me want to argue your points, but they're all true. I can barely stand the show anymore.
Hi Ink Tank
Danm
The show use to be so good in the first 2 seasons (I thought season 3 was okay)
Just wait till the CW somehow gets Ben 10. Oh boy would they have a field day with the multiverse version of Gwen having the Omnitrix.
Star Wars, He-man, Batwoman, Supergirl, Wandavision, Loki, Ms. Marvel vibes
@@TheKpa11 it sounds like amazing dream in the mind, but something you never wanted it to happen lol
Having only seen the first "run Barry, RUN" moment, I quite liked that scene. Nice to see they beat it to death.
The first time they did it, it was kinda cool.
They then proceeded to beat that horse until it turned into glue.
@@americankid7782if you rewatch it it’s a great scene, and season one only uses it a few times but it’s kinda “eh ok that’s fine”, then season 2 starts and your like “wait.. where is it” for three episodes, then it’s overload till the show ended seven years later
I like how many times you pointed out that it's not the actors that are doing a bad job, it's the writing. Which is 100% true, Grant Gustin is THE Flash, and the fact that we can all see that despite the shit writing just proves how amazingly well he fits the character. Just imagine what he could do with some actual good writing.
I dropped off after season 5, and it's just heartbreaking to see how far the show has fallen. Really hope they manage to pull something coherant together by the finale.
You can tell the actor playing iris doesn’t really put her all in her scenes like she use to in the past seasons. I stayed past S6 but seventh was almost unwatchable for me
@@tweeks9896 from the few clips I've seen of the later seasons, it feels like all the OGs that haven't left yet are just sleepwalking through their scenes. Especially Joe and Iris yeah. They all deserve so much better.
@@ItsNik97 definitely
@@ItsNik97 yeah Joe actor looks like he's depressed half the time
Honestly? I think they’re getting bored of it? Clearly imo Tom and grant are the only ones giving there all despite the writing.
I feel like the CW's motto is: "You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain" because they refuse to cancel shows even when everyone that once love them, thinks they are awful
It still baffles me that Smallville went on for ten seasons. We had to watch Lex "fall in love with" Lana Lang to keep up drama in Clark's life.
And then there are their other shows like Crazy Ex-Girlfriend which had great writing throughout but every season had to worry about getting canceled.
Honestly this show has been suffering from bullshit contrivances and manufactured conflicts since the beginning of season one. Barry stopping to chat with the bad guy instead of knocking them right the fuck out or relocating them, that’s been an problem since season one.
There is no reason that a show should take more than 6 seasons to tell its story.
Unless you are a show based on lots of books like GOT, which actually had the opposite problem and needed a lot more seasons
@@Cityweaver If you hate season 7 of The Flash: ruclips.net/video/gLWocyWOOCE/видео.html
"Why did you kill my mother?"
"Because I hate you."
The Flash has 0 chance of ever becoming that good again
well not 0 but like 10%
Facts
yo lmao
@@spider-man3167 0
@@ArcTrooper269 been rewatching the flash and yeah its definitely 0
As someone who was really into the show I agree when you say that season 3 was when things began to fall apart. I can’t really explain it but after they revealed who Savitar was it just felt dragged after that point and I just lost track of what was going on aside from the “fixed event” that was to happen.
Berry: „I can’t run“
Supporting character: „would you run for a Scooby snack?“
Berry: „say no more“
"Roh ruh raggy"
Hahaha
I would do anything for a Scooby snack
@@someweirdo8380 would you cure cancer for a scooby snack?
@@Comp_Laments yes. I said anything and I mean anything
I always hated how barrry is a way better character when he’s not in his own show
I understand
"you're not the flash barry, wE aRe"...fuck you talking bout lady
@@kr0nius351 it’s because he usually runs the same formula as a character.
@@tokkirae6157 Hehe, you said “run.”
@@kr0nius351 because he's the comic relief to Oliver's straight and brooding loner
Cisco, Caitlin and Barry were such a good trio in the beginning.
The best
I hate Caitlin she a third wheel
@@ZAYA.21 third wheel between Barry and Cisco , that doesn't make sense dude
@@zex9904 no I'm talking in friendship and Purpose on the show
yep
Seeing Jessica Parker Kennedy (Nora) acting like a child on The Flash was really weird after seeing her in Black Sails.
Especially since she's older than Grant Gustin and Candice Patton.
The CW is notorious in casting parents who are younger or just like a year older than their “teenaged children” happened a lot in Vampire Diaries too
No matter how cringey the show eventually got, watching the first season when it first came out is the most fun I've ever experienced watching tv
That first crossover with Arrow was an EVENT for me back in high school
The first season is actually so great though
The first season was amazing
Watching the first season for the first time is something I’ll never forget
I remember re scheduling my study courses so i can watch the newest episode of season 1 lol
I have a feeling Grant Gustin is extremely grateful for those episodes where he doesn't need to do anything. He (and most of the main cast) have probably settled into the Ackles/Padalecki 'paycheck' phase of their job, they know the show isn't good but it's paying for the mortgage.
Not Ackles/Padalecki being an adjective
Friendly space ninja needs to make a video on supernatural also.
Finally a SPN who admits the show has been trash for a significant amount of its runtime!!!
@@Dave102693 after season 5 spn was a hellhole
@@jhnnfr98 facts. I stop watching altogether after season 9. The first 5 seasons were height of the series.
I actually think that Iris could have worked really well if they leaned into the reporter thing more from the beginning. I only saw seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil, but Karen Page always felt like what Iris should have been. A regular person who didn’t need powers or incredible combat training or genius intellect to go up against bad guys. Someone with street smarts, empathy and determination to uncover the truth and expose corruption. That would have given her a unique niche on Team Flash instead of forcing her into becoming the team leader (for some reason) or a speedster.
They should've leaned into it at the very least by S3, but they didn't until....S6?
I 100% agree, Karen was Matt's love interest, but she was still her own person outside of this relationship. She was a 3 dimensional character with her own goals, she made mistakes and actually had to suffer the consequences of those mistakes. She never needed any powers to contribute, and never tries to take the spotlight away from everyone else. Nothing ever feels forced and we actually care about her.
Also I highly recommend watching Daredevil Season 3
Like Lois in Superman and Lois. She’s awesome
@@kicker3186 true. Unlike Lois, Iris felt so force
@@kicker3186 omg thank u! Lois in SandL is amazing
As repetitive as “Run Barry, run” is, Tom Cavanagh absolutely kills it every time he delivers the line
Season trailer: Barry outrunning a galaxy-level threat.
Season content: Iris's dad pregnancy scare while meeting the in-laws with his too-young girlfriend.
STOPPPPP this is so true and makes me wanna cry
So you are saying that iris's dad can get pregnant...
@@GarmrsBarking why was this how i read that comment lmfao
I want to watch my favourite superhero the Flash, not Iris Family Drama crap. Better change the show name into Iris the Journalist
HUH?
I also wanna know how they wrote “Run, Barry, Run.” 30,000 times and nobody said “Dude, shut up.”
OMG THIS 😂 It was chilling the first few times especially during the death of Barry’s mom but they kept doing it even Oliver says it and it just sounds ridiculous now
it reminds me of glee covering don't stop believin' on every "special" occasion 🥴
If Barry looked a bit pale they'd go "Sun Barry sun." Or if someone was aiming a weapon at him "Gun Barry gun." Or if he ran past a church "Nun Barry nun."
Also the advice sucks: he's a speedster! Of course he's gonna run! What other options does he have?
@@sarahlaurent62 "Powerwalk Barry! Powerwalk!"
My partner and I were fans of the show the first few seasons. (Except for Iris. I hated that character from the moment she appeared but that's another tangent lol) The thing that finally made us just give up was the inconsistent airing schedule. The show would air like 2 episodes then be "on break" for 2 weeks. Get another episode or two, then 2 more weeks without one. It was so hard to keep track of when the new episodes were actually on and we realized we didn't even really care to keep up. I honestly had no idea it had even made it to 7 seasons.
I agree. the thing that killed the show for me was when suddenly EVERY SINGLE ONE of the side characters had powers
Riight. In season 7 suddenly Barry’s whole family just ends up with superpowers out of knowhere. And when they go to fight the villain, they don’t even use super speed. They use lighting stars and lighting swords and shit 💀. I was like wtf even is this show. There seems to be no real plot, plot twists, no more humor, it’s so bland
That is the problem with the CW. All they make is soap operas. At it's heart ALL of their shows are trashy soap operas for a niche audience. Like trashy soap operas for teens or trashy soap operas for nerds or trashy soap operas for other nerds or a remake / spinoff of an existing trashy soap opera. I should know I love trashy middle eastern soap operas. But I go in knowing after season 1 things are going to get convoluted and unbelievably crazy. Everyone's going to have an evil twin, people will start faking their deaths and by the time the show wraps up everyone will have f***** everyone at least once in the most dramatic way possible. But by it's very nature trashy soap operas are not well written they have a very specific formula they use as a blueprint for every single episode and every single season. They use up all their good ideas in season 1 and they're hoping you care enough about the characters by the end of season 1 you'll sit through the next 15 seasons. But most people don't enjoy trashy soap operas and I don't blame them, I have never finished a full soap opera because it gets too wild and also somehow boring by season 4 and I actually enjoy them. But people who go into these shows thinking that it's going to be an actual good show or who don't know that CW exclusively makes soap operas are going to be really disappointed and really let down and I feel bad for them!
@@Kendi.K sounds goofy af. Some shit a 10 year old would write.
Nah Supernatural was definitely a soap opera especially in the final seasons. One of CWs biggest problems was they had no clue when they had good storylines or villains.
AGREED!!!
Barry: “I’m the Flash.”
Iris: “See that’s what you don’t get. You are not the Flash. We are.”
Pretty much sums up every direction this CW show is going in
🤣🤣 ...sorry iris did I miss when u got struck by lightning?
And thats what makes this show garbage.. sad.
Power of friendship, my little pony style?
lmao does change hurt you?>
Hate that line so much man. Hated even more now since Barry and Iris re-creates the speed force a supernatural force with the POWER OF THEIR LOVE!! WHAT???
what’s painful is that Grant is *so* good. he just has that look and emotion and snark that is all Barry Allen. I can’t imagine someone else doing what he does, and now he’s wasted in this show, and it’ll take ages until someone tries their hand on this kind of Flash story again, and it won’t be him. I like Flash in JL (the Zack Snider version) just fine, but there’s something about Grant that is perfect for this
Grant would have made a better Wally West than Barry Allen.
Grant is trash
@@FakeFriendsForever Hey Grant is not that bad. The problem is the script. The writing sucks
100% at least up until I stopped watching mid season 3 for the reasons mentioned in this video.
I remember people just saw a photo of him grinning in the suit and lost it. He made the show a hit before it aired with a grin!
18:35 _"But then season 4 completely ignores that."_
This is a big recurring issue. A season ends in some way. Then the very start of the next season just says "nah". This happens a lot in movie series that haven't been fully planned out as well. Instead of developing the stuff they've already set up, they just throw it away and make up something new. It's as if they don't know how to write longer spanning stories.
I love how in elseworlds Oliver queen says “I don’t think you can go over 9 hours without getting a sappy motivational speech” so this means the writers know what’s going on but just don’t care
Self awareness means nothing if they’re just going to follow through with it any way.
@@thomasraines1396 i disagree. It makes it a whole lot worse
@@Maudios oh no that’s what I’m going with, they know what they’re doing and they refuse to change.
@@thomasraines1396 exactly. At best, that kind of self awareness is just pointless and adds nothing.
At worst it actively harms the show because, as originally pointed out, it just shows that the writers see what’s going on, they just don’t give a shit.
@@primroseprom it’s terrible.
The Flash show describes my life perfectly: peaked in the first stage and has now devolved into a series of cringey and boring events ever since
Does that mean when it gets cancelled, you’ll uh ….. commit die?
The peak wasn’t even that good in the first place
this is the opposite of Agents of SHIELD
@@realhumanbean7915 very true
@@realhumanbean7915 Dang man that’s his life!
"Barry as a character is just running in circles"
gets me every time.
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If I recall correctly, the Caitlin/Killer Frost was explained that kinda makes sense coz we are presented with new information that just wasn't there in the first place.
The main canon for them is that there had been Frost all along stagnant on Caitlin's head. So at the time where Caitlin was vulnerable or unsure this act up. It just so happens that it's also the time where Barry admits to doing the flashpoint.
In my head it makes sense for Killer Frost, the repressed, stagnant tool in Caitlin's head would act up and use this to try and get what she wants which what happens when "she turns evil". Remember at this time Cailtin doesn't forget what she does as KF so my theory is Frost is heavily suggesting in her head to do this and that. I mean when there's voices in your head you'd think you're losing your mind and not that there's another entity inside you.
When KF overrides their body, Caitlin probably steps aside and let the 'autopilot' do it's thing without again realizing that this autopilot is not an extension of her but a whole another person.
By S4 where she finally realize that there's two whole person and physically manifests itself, Frost is not being subtle about it, Caitlin just don't get absently get autopiloted but get kicked out of the driver's seat hence why she doesn't remember it this time when it's Frost that's on the seat.
When they finally knew about the truth about their existence and true origin, they try to get along moving on the same body, hence why at times the other is aware of what's happening even if they're not on the driver's seat. I imagine the stagnant would occasionally watch what the other is doing as opposed to the previous dynamic where they try to best each other to drive alone.
The origin about their dad also gives way to the answer why dark matter wasn't detected in Caitlin that time on S2. It's coz her powers did not come from the particle accelerator dark matter.
Like Cait's dad basically made a clone or potential clone to help with her illness, imagine like that storyline in my sister's keeper.
Then there's the wonky science explanation how they cloned and separated Caitlin and Frost. So that's how we arrived here.
I'm not saying it's oerfect but I think Caitlin/Frost thing kinda makes sense and not as bizarre as you made it seem.
All I'm saying is the origin and the dynamics between Caitlin/Frost is the lesser issue to talk about than how the writers give Caitlin so much trauma where she then have an angsty response from and then the next episode it's okay and brushed aside and then they'd bring it back again. I mean, I understand that trauma kinda works that way but like they throw Caitlin a man to be infatuated with for the first few seasons then they break up then she gets emotional again bout her dead husband but she also would seem sincere when daying another man.
Just like what they did with Iris and Eddie with "screw the future" which Eddie sacrificed his life for onky for Iris to move on with the man who he essentially saved by offing himself. It just that it made me root for westhawne and then we get the westallen bs where we are supposed to believe that they loved each other all along when Iris rejected and string along her technically not brother to be with Eddie and "screw the future". Smh
I didn’t mind sticking with Flash thru 6 seasons but when they defeated Eva in the finale by CONVINCING HER TO STOP I was done 😂😂😂😂
Shit! That was me. Then I STRAIGHT UP gave up.
They hit her wit the Talk no Jutsu 😂
mate before you done... lets talk about this..
So you guys watched season 3……🥴
Barry: stop this!
Eva: no!
Barry: dont' do bad things!
Eva: but i want to!
Barry: pretty please?
Eva: ok.
...
The Flash s6 in a nutshell.
“Writing is everything”. Absolutely true. It’s the end all, be all.
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So true
It kinda feels like an Oprah Winfrey show...
"You get to be Flash!" "You get to be Flash!" "You get to be Flash!"
"ALL of you get to be Flash"
I’m sorry
I haven't seen the show, and I'm already over it.
@@Koi_Swirl the first 3 seasons were really good u should watch it
This comment... is brilliant
Season 4 was my favorite because of the Thinker, his ability to think 40 years ahead makes him on of the best foils to the overpowered Flash you never know if anything that goes wrong for him is just part of an insanely long term plan. I loved the relationship he had with his wife in the show, especially the part where she discovered she had been mind wiped over and over stuck with me. Of course, the way they took him down was an asspull, there's no way this writing team could have managed otherwise.
The first and last times Thawn said "Run, Barry, run." in season 1 worked because that was the first big 'get up and go' moment that Barry had as a superhero, echoed by his mentor and secret arch-enemy. It was a beautiful story-thread that should've ended with Thawn. Now its just tired and over-used. Its lost all meaning.
Yeah, early on it felt epic.... then it just became a deus ex machina for the bad writers. It makes me sad because when the Flash is written well, its my favorite thing in the world. Thankfully the comics are actually good right now, and wally finally isnt being crapped on by the editors.
Yep
So basically:
Season 1: Great
Season 2: Okay
Season 3: Debatable
Season 4 onward: *s t o p*
season 2 was great as well
Season 5: "Stop stop! It's already dead!"
I stopped watching the show early on in season 4 and seeing those clips of that Godspeed guy was just shocking to me. Back when I dropped the show I thought it was getting pretty lame but there was nothing in it anywhere near *that*. How could anyone involved with making the show see that and think that's a good villain? I really don't get it. The lightsaber fight was pretty hilarious though. I'll give them that. Though I don't think that's what they were going for...
@@BrandonHeat243 yeah same, im rewatching season 1 and it genuinely still holds up, its so crazy to me how they messed this up so bad later on which really sucks
Reality:
Season 1: Bad
Season 2: Bad
Season 3: Worst
Season 4 Onward: How the fuck have they made (current season number) seasons of this crap?
“…If this show introduces one more character that refers to Barry and Iris as, “Mom,” and, “Dad,” I am going to shoot a cannonball right into the $@&$ sun!” This is the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard!
Thank you! I suffer through all of this shows bullshit, but THIS is what’s the final straw for me. Grown ass people seamlessly just calling them mom and dad without missing a beat. It’s so irritating I want to chuck my tv out the window.
It absolutely killed me when Deon kept calling Barry dad. There was a whole 90s episode establishing he's older than Barry, he's probably got his own parents, why the hell would that guy call Barry dad?!
Honestly isn't there a multiverse so shouldn't there be other versions of Barry children that isn't iris just saying a miss opportunity right there
Oh wait till you meet the twins.
You’re gonna have a blast
@@silentastral Nora and Bart aren't twins. Don and Dawn being replaced with them really pissed me off.
@FriendlySpace This IS a video I have NEVER forgotten. Simply because you hit it on the nail PERFECTLY and echo so many truths about modern TV and movie writing, I've felt about for a long time. And sadly, about the Flash and Arrow.
Since this video was uploaded your spot on wisdom has been proven right in so many movies and TV shows since. CW was once a fantastic place for comic book fans and created a superb TV universe. Their "Crisis" event was a true treat for fans because they bought back a lot of universes and actors from the past. CW actually beat MCU to the multi verse by many years as well as proving these characters CAN work in the same screen together.
But, as shown in this video, somewhere along the way CW started to become lazy and it's CLEAR even the actors on The Flash and Arrow started to look either bored or aware they were being served with substandard material. You can even tell it on their faces or body language.
SURELY it's not rocket science to realise that adding new characters constantly will choke and damage main characters? When it was literally up to 9 characters made up of main and supporting characters the show had balance. It flowed and paced well.
The audience ARE NOT STUPID. And their patience isn't limitless. Hollywood clearly looks down on us. Tragic because, as the Flash and Arrow showed, when you have the audience on your side, it creates a result where we're winners.
Worst of all? CW betrayed the great actors who worked so hard to start the CW universe from the start.
David
"I wasn't fast enough and someone got hurt."
"Run Barry, run!"
*Runs faster*
"We got the guy."
Keyword "We", Barry doesn't even always finish the guy off himself
you didn't get the guy because barry stopped 10 meters in front him to talk and they escaped.
Let's be real, speed isn't the problem, lack of brains is. Take a shot every time Barry runs into a room, stops and talks to the villain instead of immediately knocking them out or moving them to star labs cell
@@FerunaLutelou EXACTLY. The first few seasons were good but repetitive, but now the show just sucks in every way. Barry doesn't need a team of speedsters to help him stop a mugging, the show is supposed to be about him, and how he's one of the only super heroes at star labs.
Its really hard to write the Flash, because his speed should solve pretty much everything within a few minutes of the intro. So his speed varies tremendously not just from episode to episode but from scene to scene. He can either dodge bullets, or cannot dodge a punch, depending on what the writer wants to do.
They should have stuck with Flash's rogue gallery being oddly light hearted and sympathetic. Like, I remember a scene from the comics where Trickster is causing trouble but Flash asks him if he has been taking his meds. Not as an insult, seriously asking him and Trickster reveals he hasn't. Flash talks him down and gets him help. I loved that scene. Flash actually knows his villains and cares about the why behind their issues. Scenarios like that would have been awesome to see in the show.
YES. Even the _Justice League: Unlimited_ cartoon included this plot point in one episode. Even better, the Trickster is voiced by Mark "The Joker" Hamill. =)
I just want them to point to the ADHD, and they don't have to come up with excuses why he can dodge a bullet then runs into a punch. Barry is late again, Barry forgot he can throw lightning again because he was focusing on pure speed, Barry got analysis paralysis again because his brain sees a hundred steps to a simple task. I know Impulse is more often portrayed as stereotypical ADHD kid, but Arrowverse Barry fits an adult who learnt to cope, it's not a rare thing, and saying it runs in the family is realistic.
Crazy idea: villains arent obvious attention vvhores but instead intelligent criminals who avoid lime light and Barry with his forensic skills (you know, his actual job) and with the help of the team he needs to figure out who is the criminal. Meanwhile the rest of the time writers can actually explore characters in the show and their relationships. Just because Barry is fast and superhero that doesnt mean that is all there it is to be in the show.
@@ChaosPrototypeIX That's actually an excellent idea. One Flash rogue with plenty of potential here is Murmur, a former surgeon turned serial killer who's trademark is removing his victim's tongue.
They could also go the route _Batman: Arkham City_ took and revamp some of their villains to be more realistic/serious; for example, turning Calendar Man into a serial killer.
My favorite thing about the show is how the team has a new Harrison Wells every season. It’s hilarious how quickly they kill them off and replace him.
S4 actually did it right in bringing back Harry Wells from S2. He was the best from the bunch.
I agree!! Honestly it's incredible how the actor can make them all so different 🤣
I just saw the episode where the Wells die and I'm pissed, literally the best part of the show is gone 😭
@@kuddlecat that made me cry oh my god 😭 i’m going to miss the wellses
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Honestly glad the actress for patty spivot left to play a character on the boys. She was great in that role
That scene with him comforting his dying mom before she dies from her injury’s really hits me in the feels which is why seeing the horrid mess the show has become is so so sad and disappointing
It had so much potential
A CW show with potential? Lmao 😅
The fact it was made on CW killed any potential it had before the first episode was written
@@andrew-rn9ui Dammmmm son 😅 But true, sadly as a child I didn’t know that.
The moment flash got ruined was when iris said, "No Barry, we are The Flash" ...
You coulda stopped that sentence at "Iris".
@@doomstadt2371 LMFAO
Exactly. Iris became unbearable after season 3
Everyone says this but Barry literally says” we were all struck by that lighting” to the team in season 1
Didn't Barry say that first though? With "believe it or not, there is no Flash without Iris West"?
The flash season 1 had something magical about it. The cinematography and the use of the soundtrack. Barry being a excited nerd with powers. Cisco being a extreme excited nerd who's friends with a superhero. All the charachters were just so much better in season 1 because now they are all basically the same charachter
Season 1 was better, but it still wasn't "magical" or even close to it.
I agree, Season 1 was the best
It was the best yeah, even the plot twist of Harrison Wells being Reverse Flash the entire time, that was the best writing we got in that time. Damn, even season two wasn't that bad, in the third season everything became worse as time progressed.
The whole cw flash show is dogshit (that includes all seasons)
Season 1 have so much heart. I won’t say it is the best writing, but the heart was there and it made me love the characters.
The scene with Barry and his mother was so heartbreaking, but it was memorable and good. I wish that they would have just let that plot point stay and never made Barry create Flashpoint (Which only lasted 1 episode which was also a mistake.)
-Mr. Wells, what's your favourite drink?
-Rum, Barry, Rum!
I actually have a semi-decent solution for the Iris problem. Take her out of the Team Flash dynamic. Let her be an ace reporter who will go drastic lengths for the story. Let her naturally discover things that Barry can’t by being a great journalist. They allow glimpses of that, but never pull the trigger on it.
Exactly bro, what confused me was how the heck did she become leader?! Instead of cisco, or caitlin or anyone who was there longer than her!
Agreed. It makes zero sense. It made even less sense when Barry told Cisco he wanted him to lead the team when he was gone.
@@jordanjohnson8150 well to be fair it doesn't make ZERO sense, sure it doent make much sense, but its not zero. they tried to explain it as cisco just didnt want to be in charge, and the rest by more of a confidence thing. like iris was the only one who didnt freeze up with barry gone so the others just kinda fell in line. not the best explanation but its what the show gave, and it does at least make a LITTLE sense.
anyway about your idea though. your idea can also help solve another issue the barry failing to stop criminals his powers easily could. the initiating event for each small episode villain can be played more like a mystery, rather than it being a more active catch them in the act kinda thing. iris investigating something comes across a crime while investigating something unrelated. so iris is largely off screen doing whatever that is, but each episode can start with her throwing them some case they need to solve on thier own because shes busy with her thing, but still gotta stop crimes. so she is still involved each episode with an important role, but minimally on screen, and bary couldn't have solved it in the first three seconds. two birds, one stone, and everyone including the CW execs and writters that want iris to be super important can all still be happy.
@@e.corellius4495 That is a fair point. That part had slipped my mind. You are correct. Also, I like you elaboration on that initial idea. I think that would work great!
So lois
Ok for the record, Tom Cavanagh is the only one who can sell the, "Run Barry, run" line. I get chills every time he says it & i dont need the context of the episode or story.
we dont deserve just how good Tom Cavanagh's performance was
Flash went downhill when Wells became just a guest star but I get it, his back was hurting from carrying the show
exactly
Along with Barry's powers being inconsistent, they also consistently do things that end up taking Barry's powers away, which gets frustrating as hell after the second or third time it happens
Fun fact: the person who plays all the versions of Harrison Wells(Tom Cavanagh) actually helped direct the season 1 finale of Superman & Lois and is actually planning on directing more of the show and to be honest, I’m happy for him. Ty Tom you were a great actor and will always be the best Arrowverse villain in many people’s eyes.
Prometheus was
@@mariokuschel00 He wasn't bad, not as good as Tom Cavanagh and most people would agree with me. However, you are free to think that.
Slade Wilson
when all of these villains meet: "Finally A worthy opponent our battle will be legendary "
Thinking about this makes me sad because the Flash genuinely was one of the good ones for the first couple seasons.
Most fights in the first two season could be ended with Barry running up and knocking the enemy out but instead he stops to flex how powerful he is then gets laid out and runs to star labs. All the characters just made bad choices all the time but it was still better than the later seasons.
@@nathannix3217 Canonically, Barry flexing his powers is literally what makes him be not as powerful as Superman. For real.
SAME
I stand by the fact that the first four seasons of the show are pretty damn good but imo everything after that, aside from Bloodwork, is pretty crap.
@@renandrade2866 Can you elaborate on that?
Sad part is, I actually really like a lot of the actors, particularly Barry, Iris, and Joe - Joe especially. The actor just cracked me up all the time watching it - he would get a cheeky smile every now and again, one that I took as “yes…this is ridiculous…but it’s fun right?”. Idk what it is about him, but he’s legitimately one of my favorite actors. It’s sad that I couldn’t keep enjoying his performance cause the show itself stopped being enjoyable (I only watched the first two seasons)
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true, Joe is my favorite bc of how relatable he is. He knows how he's put into a ridiculous world with godlike abilities. He doesn't do anything too crazy but just has fun with it.
Iris got so annoying. Since season 6, I hated her character. Always wanted to be right, but never apologized of what she did wrong
@@Aesfb-1688 Got annoying?
Same. I lost interest after season 2. I watched a little bit of season 3 and stoped watching. I only watched when the flash and arrow or supergirl were having a crossover
“Because I hate you, not you now, you years from now” is one of my favorite lines. It shows while he hates Barry overall to his core that “our” present Barry is such a good person that it even rubs off on Thawne
the tragic downfall of CW DC Tv show's.
S1 Arrow: Oliver was a brilliant tactician with indepth knowledge in science chemistry and programming.
S9 Arrow: Oliver can't fight alone even after being trained and bested Ra's Al Ghul, also he was smacked around by a couple of cops a few times. (PS he also forgot any knowledge he had about weapon designing, science, chemistry or general street smarts)
Flash S1: Barry realizes that speed doesnt only mean running velocity, he can also think at insane speeds and effect his clothes as well as enviroment.
Flash S7: Other people point out that Barry can think at Super speeds, Barry is shocked by this revelation.
Do they even bother with writing?
If you've seen superman and Lois seems like they're trying to get good again
My favorite inconsistency is actually how Barry Allen is a super nerd and spends his free time reading science articles and going to a particle accelerator event. He's only in his current field as a forensic scientist because he's trying to find his mom's killer: helping other people is kinda the side gig. So then in season 5-6 they randomly have him geek out at different technology like he knows all about it, but then he also needs everything explained to him by caitlyn and cisco.
@@ruthiecorbyhenry i would watch it if i remembered anything about the arrow verse i just gave up on it and started watching marvel
@@ruthiecorbyhenry ya honestly first time I’ve seen an actual good first season. Arrow was good but this was better
@@F_Alh The story in Superman and Lois stands for itself, though you might be confused by a few references and cameos, more specifically regarding crisis on infinite earths, but you'll be fine even if you haven't watched a single arrowverse show.
the first "Run Barry run" will never be topped, I still get goosebumps when Thawne says it
and then they ruined everything by making every character say it
Technically the first one was his dad saying it
@@F_Alh FR
You nailed it on the head with Barry being a zero dimensional character. Eight years in and he still hasn't grown as a character. In fact, it almost seemed as though he regressed into an asshole in season 7. I'm tired of him never knowing what to do and getting his ass kicked by EVERYBODY.
Even when he (or really any character) “grows” they all reset by the next season.
I really liked the first episode where he had an analytic mind. Then he kept getting hit while being the "fastest man alive". How does he not stop every crime a few minutes AT MOST after they start.
Excuse you but there’s no greater character development than _running faster_
@@cthulhutheendless1587 But he doesn't really run faster. Almost every season has someone faster than him and he seems to regress in speed when he meets new or old enemies... And yes I know it was a joke.
Same here. This is the Flash for crying out loud and why does he need a (human) team. Allies and friends I understand, but in the comics he could take on the villains on his own using his super speed in any way possible.
Videos like this are so gratifying because it's such a relief to quit a show in frustration and then see years later that I was right to abandon hope and cut my losses 🙌🏽
The problem with these shows is that they don’t know how to stop. At some point, they’ll inevitably run out of ideas and they’ll start caring less and less about the quality as well. That’s what led to the downfall of most of the arrowverse shows imo.
@@pacermusicmaker7930 yep, they go for some if the most intriguing storyline from the comics but without the development or build up so they end up being quite poor. That's especially true for the crisis on infinite earths storyline. Like that was one of the biggest events in dc comics but they screwed that up pretty much. I wa so excited for that event then it ended up being pretty mediocre. I understand the budget constraints but the writing was quite bad.
@@mohammedyahya5838 Not to mention the godspeed arc, which stretched for about 3 or 4 forgettable episodes.
technically, it was said some years ago that the flash was going to end in season 8. Seems not.
@@osmano675 yep and me and a lot of fans thought for some reason, they would redeem the season with godspeed and make it an okay ending to the season. Boy were we wrong. Like you said, it dragged for way too long and godspeeds motivations were so stupid its unreal 🤦♂️
It was evident that the show threw away all story plot to be SJW
Barry: Fights villian
Barry: *loses*
Barry: " I'm not fast enough" *goes to the hallway*
Some random team flash member: " I'll go talk to him"
Barry: * Sits on the floor and ponders life choices*
Some random team flash member: " The power of love will help you, you are unique. Now run Barry, RUN!!"
Barry * Goes Mach 23455468900986424"
*Theme song plays in the background"
Barry: *Beats the villian*
Team Flash: "Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy, you did it barry."
Barry: No, WE did it
( i just summarized an entire episode)
That's it. That's the show!
Lmao
Whoa there buddy, you can't leak season scripts like that!
More like an entire season
Speed force vs barry cant fight her no matter what she can take his powers away still force is insaneeeeeeeeeeee
The Flash is the PERFECT example of a show that could have been a stellar mini-series. Season one, with tighter pacing and a planned finale??? Gold. Boy howdy, I really hate this "keep running until we get canceled" trap that maims every fun show I start to like.
IMO, if we're going to keep putting unhinged, poorly-written storylines on television, we might as well take a page out of the Kdrama playbook and free the actors/writers/IP once the season is over. No one deserves to be trapped in the Arrowverse this long lmao.
It doesn't have to be a mini-series, but it definitely would have been better with shorter seasons. Season 6 shows this.
The episodes running up to Crisis were the highlight of The Flash since season 1/2. It had an entire arc, and a focused storyline that was about Barry trying to solve a singular issue for the first 8 episodes.
CW is still using the formula that they used with Smallville, only Smallville wouldn't work with the way we consume modern television.
@@jacob5651 Yeah, I agree. First half of season 6 was really good, then after Crisis it just… I’m not even sure what the hell went wrong there.
@@thegreatpapyrus2306 COVID seems to have been a big issue.
Due to making it during the pandemic the season order was cut down a few episodes. I guess they weren't confident in their ability to finish the arc before the season ends, so it continued into season 7, but season 7 also needed to set up its own stuff.
So everything ended up unsatisfying and messy.
@@jacob5651 True, true. Didn’t really consider that tbh.
32:40 my mind just screamed skip as soon as that iris and Barry talking scene came up its just instinct by now
“Do you remember when you landed a show on the CW, and the first season was pretty good but the quality declined with each new season to the point of being unwatchable? It was me, Barry. I founded the CW and hand selected the writing staff so you would always be remembered for starting in one of the worst comic book shows of all time!”
Perfect
Lame joke. It's not unwatchable. Batwoman or Riverdale is unwatchable.
**Raspy voice**
"His jokes are beyond your understanding"
@@nanithefu5979 "some would say im the reverse"
Pepperidge farm remembers :P
The worst thing about Iris is that she grew up with Barry together and has seen him work through his grief closer than anybody, so her calling Barry insensitive for not trusting his mother's killer makes absolutely no sense at all. That scene ruined her character beyond redemption for me and the showrunners keep putting her at the forefront and make her the sole reason for any of Barry's actions which is pathetic.
@@LannetteActing Not even the point. The POINT is that she literally called Barry insensitive for not trusting Thawne. Let YOUR arch-nemesis murder your mother over some petty B.S. reason and then have to decide whether to trust him or her in the future and then let your spouse call you insensitive for not trusting the arch-nemesis. Thawne is the reason for literally EVERY season of the Flash it all connects to him. In season 1 he's the Reverse Flash and in the finale he created an opening for Zoom to come by for Season 2 who then murdered his father who then made Barry create Savitar which led to the end of H.R. Wells. Thawne created DeVoe which led to Cicada (both of them). Thawne created Mirror Monarch. Almost every loss if not every loss Barry suffers is connected to Thawne murdering Barry's mother. But hey Barry's insensitive right?
I remember I hated Iris for that scene so much, I was screaming at the show, Iris you stupid person, nooo, poor Barry felt so bad for him
@@LannetteActing you are missing the point. It is not about choosing between dead mom and daughter from future. Barry has seen thawne kill his mother in front of him and he couldn't do anything. He is the very reason Barry can't trust anyone that looks like Harrison Wells for a long time. Why do you think he should trust Thawne with his daughter, he did not want him to ruin their lives anymore. Anyone with a logical mind would take this decision
I keep praying the writers will steal the idea from Barry’s pre-Crisis comics and move Iris somewhere in the future to protect her (and the kids, later) from Thawne and other speedsters.
The part that I didn’t like about iris is when she says Barry was too late in telling her how he feels about her while he was in a fucking coma .
The absolute fall of The Flash was the final nail in DC CW-verse, because what a fall! Arrow was Batman-lite, but it was solid, until Season 4. Supergirl was... Okay? But Season 2 started to fall apart, and Flash really fell apart in Season 3. Once you start to notice the "CW template" (like you have), plus their plot lines and budgetary shortcomings, you can't watch anything from it (but Superman & Lois is the only thing I watch now). Seeing The Flash now in Season 7 makes Power Rangers look good, how does it get WORSE?! As a Flash fan who rocks KF... (Oh Kid Flash...), seeing Flash in live action shows and movies shouldn't make me constantly cringe. I'll get a proper good Flash adaptation one day, with maybe a blonde Barry, but at that time, I'll be either old or dead.
Something is wrong when megaforce had a more coherent villain motivation.
I swear they have the budget to make grant blonde but they don’t and it’s so annoying
Supergirl is actually the only show that has gotten better as it has progressed. Once Jon Cryer came aboard the quality of the show skyrocketed. You can tell that he is having the time of his life and it infected the actors making them do a better job as well. Even side characters like Nia and Brainy are better than anyone who joined team arrow after season 3 or Flash. And I'm glad they are ending it since that means they can actually end on a high note before it turns bad.
But Superman and Lois is the future, the early years of Arrowverse did things on TV that we thought we would never be able to see in live action. It took the stick Smallville had put down and gave us incredible moments and stories. I think it's time that they end all the original Arrowverse show and start putting their money on projects like S&L, stargirl and doom patrol. They are proof we can still get quality DC television shows, it's time we graduated past stealing the Buffy and Angel model just because its cheap and easy, Legends stopped doing it after season 3 and somehow was allowed to morph into a stoner show, but it's about time they ended that too. The only thing I would want to keep from it is if they put in some of the HBO money and gave Matt Ryan and Tom Ellis a 10 episode cross country mini series of Constantine and Lucifer.
@@dcworld4349 Supergirl was just shit all around, season 4 was the only good season of the show
@@d3va383 I really enjoyed s5, the lex parts anyway the leviathan group was pathetic.
I loved Tom Cavanaugh in season 2, snarky Wells was everything.
I feel bad for Candace Patton, it's not her fault the writers fucked her character up and now everyone hates her character. Candace deserves better. I pray she leaves this show, and gets better roles.
Exactly. People have been sending her death threats all because of her role in the show.
The character herself didn't have much of a backstory or depth to begin with even in the comics. She's just The Flash's Lois Lane
@@Velocity_YT wow that's insane
I actually went to see her in the Houston Fan Expo and she's exactly like her character. I wasn't impressed XD
@@Mr_Demeanor I have a feeling that your lying
I absolutely agree with this analysis. The additional thing that killed the show for me was that Team Flash was so disfunctional. I think that started from season 2 onward. Each one kept stupid secrets, which they kept to themselves, causing stupid misunderstandings, causing unnessecary problems with the team, making them unable to cooperate in a reasonable way. And each following season it was the same.
I agree with the original analysis, but also agree with the fact that overusing the "I have to keep a secret that will divide us" trope helped kill the show.
Unfortunately that is CW 101. Going back to 2004 with Supernatural even they hammer this trope into all of their shows.
Like when Cisco was all upset with Barry because apparently Barry wouldn’t go back in time and save his brother but he did time travel and saved his mom.
It's in the CW's DNA. Smallville was arguably inspired inspired by Buffy, with both running on the same channel for a period. And both had dysfunctional teams. But they were mostly teens in highschool, so it made sense. But over the decades, CW ran the formula into the ground.
after cisco left , show became too flat
The thing about the Flash being overpowered is that, while there are situations, like with armed goons, that are too easy to solve, all the writers would've needed to do to add tension would've been to add real physics. i.e. make it so that the Flash *can't* just pick people up out of danger because the sudden shock of speed would fracture and break multiple bones or even outright kill them anyway if he tried. That way the question of "why doesn't this idiot just take the bad guy to prison/save everyone" wouldn't come up every goddamn time.
Have a sequence where he's discovering his powers he hits a test dummy but learns that most of his attacks will straight-up kill someone rather than knocking them out. Thus giving him an actual *reason* to punch at normal human speed unless the opponent is particularly durable.
You'd still need to find a way to nerf his reaction time in fights, but at least, by getting rid of those other overpowered elements, you'd bring the character closer to a point where villains can be *SOMEWHAT* of a threat.
Yeah. They were too lazy and stupid to even do that.
Yeah either NERF the hero (on a consistent level)
Or give the story more time in the oven
Nah. Just bring on more pretty girls.
That’s Superman’s thing too…….
@@TheKpa11 I'd say no, superman is in a position where you can introduced cosmic beings that are really powerful that would see superman as fodder. The Flash falls in that in between where he's too powerful if you just give him other meta humans to deal with, but too weak when you get into the cosmic and more over powered villains.
The problem with this flash is this... In order to have enough going on to fill a whole tv show, they couldnt just focus on one character. So they had to make a team. The only way a team will work is if the flash needs them. The only way for him to need them is for him to never evolve and shed the team, so he stuck in a constant "need help" state. The flash is constantly dealing with other dc characters in the comics, but they dont have the rights. So the show itself is what makes him a bad flash.
But what defines "a whole TV show"? Plenty of shows focus on one character and maintain traditional support roles. The key is to not order 22 episodes for a story that only needs 6. That's the *real* issue with most American cable TV shows - the episodes are made to order so that the network can pump out as many ads as possible, instead of the creative team dictating how many episodes are actually needed to tell the story they want to tell.
I actually liked Run Barry Run from Wells in season 1 since it’s kind of a nod to the fact that his Dad said it to him on one of the most traumatic moments in his life
I think everyone liked it the first time but it has been reused so much by everyone that it lost its spark. Just like what someone else in the comments said, it should have only been used by Thawne
Then at some point they said this to young Barrack Obama when the Legends of Tomorrow saved him from a M.A.G.A Gorilla.
Thone: It was me Barry, I paid off the writers to crash the ratings so that The Flash would be associated with mediocre television!
i knew it! i fucking knew it!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
He gave them sexual favors at superspeeds
This is canon, change my mind
'Thone'
I love it.
“Run Barry, run towards love.” Had me in stitches.
Right, I had a cringe attack
It's worse than that. They've gone from saying Barry is powered by the Speed Force to saying he's powered by Iris's love. Even though her feelings for him are just lust because if it was love she'd like him for more reasons than looks and sex.
@@Xehanort10 RIGHT???
man, savitar should’ve killed iris.
That one was SO UNNECESSARY 💀💀💀
Wait seriously? I've stopped watching around season 5 cuz it got too dumb. Glad to know I made the right decision lol
30:03 Do you think that the second “run” is necessary for Barry to start running? Like, if someone say “run, Barry!!” He would just stand still waiting for that second “run” 😂
the biggest issue with the series is that they didn't bother being consistent with the Flash's actual power. 90% of the villains on the show wouldn't be able to hold a candle to him.
For real, sometimes he’s faster than _lightning_ and others seems to be frozen in time. Other times it seems to be as fast as a bicycle.
Yeah he literally gets beaten by thugs and people with martial arts training. Even Batman couldn't defeat flash unless he predicted him.
Exactly, he should be super powerful but somehow keeps struggling with minor villains even now in season 9
YES! There's a whole channel that talks about this in the first three seasons of the flash, "The flash is terribly inconsistent" if you want to check it out. (Just fyi, he does swear a lot though).
I love how there's this one episode where Barry moves so fast they contain an entire episode in the space of a few seconds, and in another episode he gets tripped by marbles and then can't find the normal ass person who fled on foot literally seconds earlier.