Invincible Season 1: Could the Guardians of the Globe Have Beaten Omni Man?
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Darkwing would have literally been more useful just texting to Cecil "Omniman is killing us."
Periodt 😂😂
Lmao hahaha sad but true 🤣😂
Didn't Nolan cut the communication?
@MAGAT slayer Well Batman has LOTS of plot armor. And since Omniman has speed feats, he'd need plot armor to escape.
My friend actally turned to me at one point between episodes and said. Darkwing is a terrible Batman. Batman would have left a note carved into the rafters.
This fight is an example of why Batman is right to have a counter to everyone on the League on hand.
Batman even has a way to counter himself if he becomes villain. 😂👏
God if I tell you how many times I have heard this regarding Omni man or even homelander, it will take longer than red rush watching justice league: Snyder cut.
@@filipemoreira374 eeeseeezsse
Injustice is a good reason to
@@animator4287 Annoying yeah, but it makes sense.
Green Ghost's kill... He knew that EVERY team member had each other's back (which we saw earlier in the episode beautifully) and he used Darkwing's body to make her solid, knowing she would catch him on instinct, so he could kill her. That was such a brutal tactical move and it was the thing that made me even more terrified of him: his obvious intelligence and analytical abilities.
I'd say its more battle IQ than straight analysis and IQ
It was also brutal because she realized she fucked up right before it happened
@@RralRonaldobruh, being of super advanced race and very old. He would probably has very high iq no?
@@emdocc “oh no”
@@runek100 IQ remains the same with age. You can decrease it, very hard to increase unless it's very intentional and even then it is limited.
One element not mentioned much is the mental side. The guardians were shocked. By the time they understood the stakes, it was over. Such a great moment in the show. I loved the full comic series.
Being capable of being shocked is a mistake. Real life bodyguards are imperturbable. We don't get shocked.
"super" heroes getting shocked 😆
Yeah if they went for the kill before Red Rush died Omni man would have been in trouble. They needed to leave the hand to hand combat to Immortal and War woman while the other members of the team either played defense or kept him off balance
Yeah.
By the time they "got serious" part of the team was gone.
As the full team, they could beat Omni man.
Id even say they were more likely to win than Omni.
But their winning chances went down with every member they lost.
And once the shock was gone, they've lost to many members to have a winning chance in a straight up brawl.
They would have needed Barry or Batman level on the spot thinking to win.
Or survive, for that matter.
They are veteran hero's (except green ghost)
In the scene where the doctors check their corpses , one of theme said that he used to worship dark wing whene he was a kid witch if we suppose is at 14 years the time it would take someone to go form 14 to graduating medical school , we can estimate that dark wing has 10 years experience at the LEAST , so there's no way he or the immortal who 2000 years old would be caut ot gaurd that bad
It was pretty much over when red rush forgot he was a support class and decided to give tanking a shot. You had one job red rush smh
Exactly, RR shoulda been solely focused on defense, it's like he said in the video, Immortal and WW the heavy hitters, RR Support, Aquaris and Dark Wing being ranged attacks, Martian Man incapacitating Omni, and Green Ghost confusing and disorienting him.
DPS Moira
@@drakeb5571 even worse DPS Ana.
@@jfoster8624 rein rush
@@drakeb5571 at least he could actually do some damage by himself unlike Ana or moria.
Short answer: They Could If The Speedster Had an IQ of above 60
Bro so true
yup
Only if the dude could faze through objects😂🤦🏾♂️
Well to be fair he was startled and running on instinct
We all know from the Flash’s show that no speedster can have an IQ of above 30
Red Rush is definitely faster than Omniman. It’s the only physical attribute the Guardians have over him. Once Red Rush was killed and green ghost slaughtered, they were done. Red Rush can keep his team from being hit and green ghost has some really good abilities to keep Omniman grounded and/or disoriented. They were also fighting nice from the beginning. But Nolan figured that and it played a part in his defeat of them.
Is he though? If that were actually the case he wouldn't have been able to lay a hand on red rush in either the show or in the comic.
@@JennySparkzConnor Mcgreger could beat the shit out of Usain Bolt, but he has to catch him first, Omniman just managed to catch RR.
@@JennySparkzOmni man was guessing and looking for red rushes pattern in trying to hit him. So he could guess where he’d hit next
@@genericname5909 that should never work without shit writing immortal and red rush alone can defeat omni man
@@jhadenchambette2585You are blaming it on bad writing because you can’t accept the fact Omni Man defeated Red Rush 😂 just accept it Dude Omni Man’s experience and battle iq won it at the end of the day
the fact that omniman went for the immortal first since he's physically the strongest, is proof that he knew they had a chance to beat him. if he just wanted a good alibi he would have went for a surprise attack on red rush first, eliminating their best chance of escape and making sure the real story doesn't get out
The Guardians definitely could’ve beat him if they were prepared/coordinated, which is why Omni-Man made sure to ambush and kill them first.
Dude did you see what omni man did when he got mad at immoral💀 he punched thru him and then sliced him in half. Immortal’s durability is no where near Nolan’s. Viltrumites get stronger the more they get beat
OM said he was going to go in 100% hard because if he thought about it for a second that they were his friends he might not have been able to accomplish it. This shows how much earth protoculture had infected his mind alongside his wife and son. They would have stompled him if they worked together and didn't began to do PIS things. I honestly think he at least gave them a shot at a fair enough fight, they just didn't take it seriously.
He knew that rush would see it coming so he went for the next best thing immortal
He went from immortal first for a number of reasons: his powers are the most on par with Omni-Man so when the fight is on he's gonna be able to match with Omni-Man, he's basically the leader and most experienced of the group, and because he's the most durable so he may have to spend more time killing him than the rest. The reason he waited on Rush is because he knew that if he was directly going for Rush then Rush would stay defensive and so he had to bait Rush in close enough to grab him... Which it worked out well for Omni-Man as he predicted Rush follow up attacks on got him. Then the Domino effect happens where he knows he could bait a few more kills which quickly narrowed it down to more manageable numbers.
Omni-man ran this battle through his head everyday for years. He was way more prepared for this event than the others.
But still get his ass kicked? ( i mean he killed all of them but he still got beat up even though he was prepared for years)
@@omgdin Alibi to bide time. Nobody would believe that it wasn't him if he didn't get hurt. Nobody important believed him anyway, but by making himself look like he was attacked too, he put enough doubt into Cecil and his family to give him time.
Maybe not because is in the comics he destroyed them without getting hurt
@@50thdollar61 cuz he killed them instantly
@@omgdin ye
You're forgetting two important factors here:
1. During his entire career working with the Guardians, Omniman intentionally downplayed his own powers. He never let the Guardians know exactly how strong or fast he really was.
2. Omniman has the "Batman Defense"; he has spent so long working with each of these people, he has had time to work out their fighting styles and potential weaknesses, giving him a huge knowledge advantage. This is why he went for Immortal and Red Rush first - they were the biggest threats.
This is true ^ If Ominiman can wipe an entire race of advance aliens by himself, the chances of the Guardians of defeating him is next to none. He just played it weak so he has an alibi and can still bang his wife while waiting for his entire calvary to arrive, definitely need some entertainment before going full masacre when the Omni gang arrives on Earth lol.
@@dv1nep788 Do you want spoilers, because your first sentence isn't totally accurate.
@@dv1nep788 Spoiler, the guardians did win Nolan in an alternative timeline when Invincible warned them
You’re mistaken, in the fight Mark has with Nolan, he says he saw Nolan “defend the planet, almost die for it”, if he died his mission is over, which means he has an interest in staying alive, which strongly implies he wouldn’t be holding back.
@反叛之翼 didn't he just not fight them
I think part of what makes the show so interesting is the fact that it was a close fight. It really does feel like omniman *needed* to ambush them to have a fighting chance. And who was the most useful early on? The one who can think fastest: Red Rush.
It shows how much they considered when writing this show. This is why the next season is taking so long. Because they want to do it right. Personally, I can't wait.
Omniman let himself get beat. If he wasnt hurt, then he'd be even more suspect.
The tactics displayed here are not befitting people who have seen so much life and death.
@@Dabrownman1812 yea no
Dude omni man didn’t have to ambush them. He can take them all if he wanted!!!
@@Dabrownman1812That's dumb, specially since he didn't need to fake being friend anymore, or else why would he have killed them
Honestly, I think you're entirely right. Immortal in a 1v1 managed to hold his own semi-decently against Omni-Man AND injure him later in the show. What's more, considering how much surveillance Cecil puts almost every super under, it's kind of shocking no help did come, or that this plot could even happen in the first place.
after he fought a huge monster and went several rounds with his son. That's not exactly 1v1 on equal footing.
Injure? I mean I guess, but it’s more like he gave Omni Man a lil pink eye while he was still worried about his son
Immortal got jobbed and disemboweled after Omni man had fought a bunch of tougher things.
Bruh literally after Omni mad got mad he punched through him and split him in half
Didn't a prepared guardians of the globe manage to beat omni man when Mark went back in time
They could if they weren't so shocked about Omni-man since they were so shocked that they literally forgot to how to fight. Especially green ghost.
ikr Omni-Man couldn't even hit her if she wasn't so shock
Catch anyone by surprise and you have a chance. Catch them on guard and well you in trouble.
Surprise can guarantee 1 second - 30 mins opening depending on the shock level.
If its a jump scare it can be 1-5 second window opening
If its traumatic shock like killing someone so quickly and close
5 - 30 mins because even if its traumatic some will shake off the stun kill you and then go back into their trauma.
Now the trauma can be years but the shock and reflexes will not be stunted the same. Example if your mom or dad ever died god forbid the news i nthe hospital you will shock into a unrecovered state for possibly 5- 30 mins it means someone can come push u hold u at gun point and all but the next day even though u still sad someone might get punched for saying something bad about your dead family member.
Basically Green Ghost was done the moment 2 members died im sure she aint have time to rationalize the horror or make sense of it so she left open especially when he threw the dead body at her. I mean everyone recovery time different so you must always act fast when this shock is set in. (everyone can be her here if their loved one is tossed like a ragdoll at them)
I mean if i was a kryptonian and he did that to my friends out of nowhere i would be trying to figure out wtf is going on rationaizling how we go from 0 - 100 processing things and it might be for the 1st 3-5 mins but after that a great rage would embed in me if im still able to put up a fight by then. After the fight trauma would set in.
Omni Man - Is quite strategic in his fights more then ppl think and he basically even force you to drop your guard emotionally.
@@1bossofbosses 5Head Ah yes
Actually, it was because he threw darkwing's body at her to trick her into phasing back to catch it, very smart on his end
@@nocknmae She still had a 1-2 second window to phase again tho. Also just think about actually how impractical it was for Green Ghost to catch Dark Wings already smashed up body like as he was even still alive or that catching him would make a difference.
Short answer: yes, but only if Dark Wing had prep time
If red rush did his job
@@kalechip9074 Batman/Dark Wing: *Exists*
Everyone with a brain: P R E P T I M E
Bro he gotta stretch
only batman have that super power: aka plot armor.
Batman joke
darkwing is so underrated bruh, he literally can walk, run, and punch
ikr he can even swim too
@@hest0no.... He can fly tho
@@hest0 he's black so probably not 💀
Honestly, I think Green Ghost’s best option likely would have been either to restrain Omniman through the methods mentioned in this video. Or to just straight up abandon the fight all together and get the word out that Omniman had gone rogue. Unfortunately there’s really only so much you can do when your survival instincts choose freeze in a situation like that. I think Green Ghost only realised the severity of the situation when it was already too late for her.
Green Ghost alerting Cecil makes sense, but then what? At this point, the Kaiju hadn't been defeated so the only thing that would keep Omni-Man from going berserk like he did at the end of the season would be the laser and a very inexperienced Mark. There would be almost nothing stopping Omni-Man from just taking over the world.
@@williamraleigh7546 notifying Cecil at best would only give them a better chance to prepare a counter attack or to warn others that are close to him that Omniman had gone rogue. Knowing that Omniman had gone rogue would be pretty vital information to have, as you could then immediately see through any bullshit that he’d try pulling.
But you’re right, it’s moreso just barely tipping the scales in terms of how outmatched they are.
That is true. Another option would have been to remain in their “transparent form.” I wouldn’t matter how fast or how are hard Omniman could hit her because none of his attacks would land. When Omni man is preoccupied (or even restrained) she can just pull out a vital organ.
I think green ghost freezing is just unrealistic. These are heroes who face death every day and you’re telling me some guy threatening your lives makes you stand still and do nothing
@@youzhou11037 well a couple things to note there, Green Ghost is a legacy character like Green Lantern, at that point in the series she was still relatively new to the Green Ghost abilities and the Guardians, you’d also have the shock of someone you knew as an ally suddenly betraying you without warning, and then also having your closest friends be brutally murdered in front of you. No amount of experience could prepare someone for that.
The dumbest one was "batman", dropping on Omniman like he's a thug in an alley smh
For real dude was trying to do him dirty like he wasn't a whole viltrumite
He could be more usefull if he just called the police
Actually early on the episode Darkwing 'saved' Omniman from a debris falling directly just behind him. He thought this was a weak point on Omniman's part and tried to do the same thing. Now you might argue what would he have done with regular human strength if he did get the jump on Omniman. Who knows maybe slap a bomb on his neck, Batman usually does this on Superhuman characters as well.
@@NinjapowerMS the difference is that batman isn’t a regular human, darkwing is.
@@hailpickens2454 Darkwing isn't a regular human either. He has peak human condition just like Batman. The only difference is darkwing doesn't have plot armor and is what should really happen if batman goes against an actual superbeings that can shatter buildings with ease
The great thing about the Omniman fight is, even though you get the feeling the Guardians could've won, you completely buy why they didn't.
Absolutely
Yea I really like that they made this fight balanced because Noland just annihilated them in the comic
No I don't
No i didn't
@@lexzetusko It wsn't even a fight in the comics. At least at the end of the fight in the show he's obviously taken some hits.
I'd say the lack of strategic thinking was mostly down to them being taken off-guard by the fight. I imagine that, for most other fights, they usually get the the mission details from Cecil and are able to formulate a plan of attack in advance. In this case, the uncertainty of being attacked by an ally was enough to disrupt their team's cohesion.
I've got no excuse for Darkwing though. What was he thinking going in close? Was he going to try kryptonite or something?
....... after seasopn two i think i know what he was trying to do.
he was trying to pull omniman into his shadow dimension.
@@taddad2641 that would make sense, but then why didn’t he do that to get out from under that car in the beginning of the episode?
The simplest answer is often the most likely: bad writing. The writers wanted to show the fight, which wasn’t in the comic. But the Guardians still needed to lose, and either time constraints or laziness led to these so-called veteran heroes making extremely rookie blunders or basically just setting themselves up like bowling pins for Omniman to knock down.
@@taddad2641 i think the shadow dimension is a power from his successor only
@@Adorni Its not bad writing if characters make mistakes. It's actually more realistic, even Michael Jordan made mistakes and lost games at times. It makes the characters more human. Mistake are especially likely if you are taken by surprise, don't have plan ahead of the fight, and are shocked/emotional about the horror taking place in front of you. Them having perfect execution in a fight like this would actually be bad writing.
I think you're forgetting one thing that's a repeated theme in the show, and that's how Omni-man lacks the sympathy that other heros have. The reason why he bested the guardians is that they are more emotionally distraught by the death of their colleagues then the actual fight at hand
I facepalmed when Dark Wing tried to kick omni-man, like, even if you managed to get the kick, he´s able to lift tanks, What did you expected?
Yeah black batman was lame af I laughed at that part or the part where the green chick didn't phase their his heart
It was a suicide he was always suicidal if you think about it
@@thatoneguy779 yah okay if u don’t wanna kill him phase out his eyes or his legs
It's just reflexes I suppose
@@thatoneguy779 cecil and robot are more like batman than darkwing is.
Short answer: Yes, they could but only if dark wing went into his duck form
Underappreciated joke right here
Edited and *STILL* makes a mistake...
😂
“Let’s get dangerous”
@@RtistiqSkubie silence
Could green ghost theoretically just give everyone a group hug and make them intangible, and none would die?
@crustyflakes3861 no writer actually uses the phasing ability of they're heroes and it pisses me off.
@@dominickveenstra9470yea they shouldnt write it tbh unless it’s the main character and u jus want them to be op
@@dominickveenstra9470 well yeah cause it would make for a boring ass show, not everyone has to have perfect uses for their powers in shows, if they did it would just be kinda boring
@crustyflakes3861 Let's not forget Omniman has almost indestructible skin, and presumably indestructible internal organs. If green ghost drove her phased-out hand through Omni's heart, and then unphased, Her hand would probably be chopped clean off. Granted, the rest of her hand would be stuck inside Nolan, but it's not something he couldn't heal off.
@@Cyclone3603Viltrumites are weaker inside, Robot showed it
The answer to the question is obvious due to the fact that Omni-Man specifically took the Guardians by surprise and _still_ ended up beaten to a bloody pulp and in a critical condition. Yes, they could have. Even taken by surprise they almost managed a pyrrhic victory.
The perfect strat:
War Woman and Immortal: Attack
Fish dude: Long range support
Red Rush: Keep saving everyone
Stretchy dude: Lock Omni-Man and put your brain away from his hand
Green Ghost: Go report to someone
Dark Wing: Moral support
Ah yes, moral support for Dark Wing.
@@soopyyt9774 the only thing he was good for apparently
Nah Dark Wing should’ve just tweeted Cecil and told him what’s happening
@@dominick1750 sounds about right
Green Ghost could just hold hands with everyone on the team and bam OmniMan can't even touch them anymore. What is he supposed to do ?
The moment they lost was when red rush got himself caught. Speedsters are a terrifying force multiplier, but it doesn't matter when you're nabbed by superman
Yeah, what people forget about speedsters is that, due to newtons third law as well as what one needs to do to get that fast, speedsters are near universally fragile
When he was caught, there was one thing he could have done, but that he didn't do in panic:
_He should have gone for the head_
Or even better, his eyes. Even if he didn't go for the eyes and simply bashed his hands in Omni-man's head, that would have given a great chance to the team, as unorganised as they were. Simply the swelling of his eyes would have probably doomed him
@@megatennepster3833 Speedsters would actually have to be universally tanky because of newton's first, second, and third laws. It takes a massive amount of force to accelerate an object at rest to that kind of speed, and all of the force they push with gets transmitted right back into their body. The g forces alone would rip a normal human apart. Speedsters by default must have super durable bones and skin, and to accelerate that fast in the first place they must have super strength.
TL;DR: Speedsters are actually terrifying
@@fenrirunshackled4319 there is also the other aspect to newton's third law, specifically anything that hits a speedster head on causes immeasurable damage. Also a result of newton's third law. Though of course, this only matters when a speedster actually... you know, speeds. And again, you hit them head on.
Actually, yeah. The minute people started dying was after him. We see throughout the fight that Rush is helping his friends. You catch glimpses of him saving the Wonder Woman clone (forgive me) and obviously he saves the Immortal at the start of the fight. Immortal obviously being the one guy who has the best chance at taking him down. Rush was the lynchpin, but I think he didn't have enough in him to actually take down Omniman. He needed to be playing defensively, ensuring everyone survives so they can keep getting hits in instead of trying for jabs himself.
I think it was really good character, though. Rush was depicted as impatient, so he tried to take on multiple roles when he desperately needed to focus on helping the others. If he had to take shots, focusing on his back would have been better to ensure he didn't get himself caught.
I always thought that omniman wanted to get messed up by the guardians as an alibi, making it more believable that they were attacked along with him. It made sense to me that he was holding back for not just keeping the fight localized to the HQ but also so that he maintained his cover.
Even if he was holding back, it doesn’t mean the guardians couldn’t beat him.
We know for a fact Red flash is faster than Nolan. The fight proves it because Nolan had to bait flash into a trap to catch him. If Nolan was faster than red flash, he wouldn’t have had to do that, even if he was trying to get beat up.
We also know for a fact that the immortal and war woman are strong enough to hurt him. He clearly is feeling the injuries he takes in the fight. The immortal genuinely fights Nolan for a bit in a scenario where Nolan has no reason to hold back, and in the comics, during a time travel arc war woman straight up manages to knock Nolan out. Again, in a scenario he’s clearly not holding back.
Nolan also had no answer for green ghosts power if she had used it properly.
All these factors combined mean, holding back or not, Nolan losing was a very real possibility.
@@tropicturtle9021 never said he wasn't able to get beaten by them by as evidence of Nolan destroying the flaxans and going fast enough through buildings to cause a thermonuclear explosion more then a few times it would also be my guess that Nolan was again still holding back and the fact that he catches red rushes punch with ease after letting him land a few. We know that both war woman and immortal could hurt Nolan even the second fight with the immortal we see him hurt Nolan why trying to gouge out his eyes but it doesn't do any real or lasting damage and that fight seems to have been even shorter their first time around that's with Nolan also being distracted by the drugged up Kaiju and Mark being put in danger as well. I don't dispute the fact that the guardians could have done damage but in reality it seems that even if they did, Nolan was being calculating with how he could manage to get more time to push away the time of his conquest.
Not to mention that even if the guardians were doing really well, even in the comics they show that with invincibles help they are able to restrain Omniman, the guardians in the show are pretty evident that as Samson puts it "we're fighting like six individual assholes" maybe not to the extent the new guardians were but they were not as cohesive as a they should be, red rush should not have gone on the attack both him and green ghost should have been playing defense for the team, martian man should have been more focused on restraining and being a mailable target for Nolan, dark wing should have been using his gadgets to keep Nolan's senses in check and constantly disoriented, instead dark wing throws a couple of explosives and tries to get the jump on the guy with super strength and speed, warwoman and immortal were too busy monologuing and trying talking about the why Omniman is attacking instead of on the situation and Aquarius despite being effective he did the mortal sin of fighting he pulled the same move too soon and died. Not to mention while they could have worked better together no one tries to call for backup against not only the guy who could possibly solo them all and more but if he was mind controlled like they thought, they didn't try to get help or a message out about the strongest hero on the planet becoming a threat.
So again I still think he is deliberately taking those blows and is feeling them but I think he is doing so on his own terms, hell we see Nolan fight viltrimites later on and although a better match up he can still take on multiple. I don't think the guardians would or could be a major threat to Nolan if he knew he didn't have to hold back so others didn't see he was killing the guardians and that he needed to be injured too to make it seem he was attacked. The point is Nolan was fighting with a game plan and a handicap, the guardians weren't they fought with ego and confusion, they couldn't have one that fight.
Cover from WHO? If he's that overwhelmingly strong he has no reason to fear anyone "finding him out" and would have already conquered the planet. IMO this is proof that he's not actually that overpowered - and groups like the guardians (and even others like Cecil) are therefore a significant threat to his mission of conquering the planet.
@@tristn9 because he is reluctant to do his mission, not because he isn't strong enough, but because his family and new son with powers are still on the planet. It makes sense that if Mark never got his powers he would have waited for them to live out their lives and then he could conquer the planet without that hinderance. But Mark got his powers, he needs time to get Mark ready since he is a viltrimite and there are so few of them, if Mark becomes an asset to the empire then good more of an ability to conquer the planet if not then we saw what happened.
@@tropicturtle9021if he was gonna die he would of just destroyed the earth.
I'm still surprised the Justice League somehow gave him more damage than a ultra mega death laser from space.
Nah, he got stronger after the guardian's fight.
Idk how many people read the comics, but green ghost had only had their powers for one month. The character was a complete noob and that's why she fell for Omnimans body trick.
It's just a trick bro
I wondered about that. She seemed to be the only one who could have escaped because of her intangibility.
@@aaronc4899 Forget escaped, she could have taken down Omni Man on her own, either non-lethally by keeping him intangible until a bunch of reinforcements show up or lethally by just diving into the center of the earth and letting go of him.
@@Zorua3 you also could've hindered him at least momentarily so that the rest of them could do some serious damage to incapacitate him, that way they could still question him later on and would still be able to formulate new plans to take him out if need be
That is potentially a good reason that she went down so easily, but how did she even make the team if she was a noob?
If only Red Rush didn't go in for attacks and just constantly saved people instead. Going in for useless hits that wouldn't harm him was really stupid.
He DID harm him, though.
@@Hjernespreng Nothing substantial other than burn marks from fast paced hits.
@@Schmidteren and bruised lungs consideting3 he coughed up blood. But he could've done better.
@@donflamingo5685 yeah but that was when he got caught by omni-man and he got no choice but to keep punching him
@@raybeenugraha8112 oh yes
Omni-man’s main advantage in this fight was the element of surprise. Red Rush basically saved Immortal from getting taken out right off the bat, so it’s clear that Red Rush was a huge asset to the fight. He should’ve stuck to keeping everyone out of harm’s way, blocking whatever punches he could and not directly engaging in combat. He clearly doesn’t have the striking power to deal significant damage unless his target is immobilised, and the second he went onto the offensive he got himself caught and couldn’t break himself free from Omni-man’s grasp.
Green Ghost should’ve worked to immobilise Omni-man by phasing him into the ground and restricting his ability to move, since it’d probably be harder to break free without being able to fully move your body. This way, Red Rush can try and pummel him without the threat of getting his skull crushed, as Green Ghost doesn’t seem that physically strong as the others and her abilities leave her pretty untouchable for the most part.
Martian Man can also assist in immobilising as it’d then keep Omni-man busy with two restrictors while Immortal and War Woman attack directly while Darkhawk and Aquarus stay at a safe distance to attack from afar.
It’s a very interesting fight, looking at it from many different perspectives and the potential differences that could’ve been made. Definitely a huge highlight of the show in the very first episode which immediately made it stand out as a show that wasn’t gonna fuck around.
I think Nolan wanted the GoG to hurt him because he hated having to kill them and wanted to feel something, anything for what he felt he had to do. And part of him wanted people to find out what he did without him telling them so that he wouldn't have to be bothered with telling them himself. In other words, he let it get as bad as it did because he's a combination sociopath psychopath.
No. Canonical Omni-Man did not care at all about anything but Viltrum. Watch the episode again and you’ll notice that Omni-Man always went for an instant kill. He even punched Mark the literal second Mark asked him not to conquer earth and said “never resist the Viltrumite empire.” or something like that. He didn’t feel anything for them. He just saw them as targets. He only began to feel anything when Mark told him he’d still have him.
Omni man took those hits because it would be suspicious if his entire crew just got gruesomely killed one day and he didn't have a scratch
No one realizes the intensity of the red rush head crush scene, literally he had just stated to his girlfriend that a small conversation is like HOURS to him, lets say a small conversation is like greeting someone hello, takes 5 seconds, we also know that when you are in pain time seems longer, like burning your finger or holding a plank, so we can conclude that red rush was experiencing that pain for what seemed like at least 5 hours(1 hour in painless perception of time), this is evident by the increasingly desperate measures he took, increasing punch speed to the point it broke his hands, which means the pain was so severe that broken hands didnt even compare, its like slowly crushing someones head over the course of an hour
just like an anus
@Char Mate But we can see how fast he's punching relative to how fast omniman is moving. So it wasn't super quick.
@Char Mate It was a *percieved* hour. Not an actual hour. If it takes 3 seconds to crush the head, and in that time Red Rush could have read a small novel. Then that's the comparison type of thing that's being talked about.
Like having your head crushed while you mow the yard. It definitely wasn't quick for him
The Red Rush scene is actually slowed down alot. We see his Punches being fast because he used his Super Speed. It barely took a second to Pop his head. But for Red Rush it felt like eternity as it always does if you feel intense Pain. There is no way the other Heroes would just watch while Omniman Pops his head and do nothing. They approached the 2 but where far too slow.
the thing i dont get is shouldnt his perception of time only be affected while using his speed? like when hes normal he shouldnt still feel like conversations are dragging on for hours
You’d think someone as prepared as Cecil would give the guardians a “the single most powerful hero is evil and is attacking us” button
YES !!! Or at least a strongest man in the world has lost his shit activate the strategy we made to capture / kill him if necessary
@@alexandergreene461 or ya know watch the show and know they were disabled
@@Blaze42020 when? how? really don't think it was mentioned anywhere
@@alexandergreene461 nigga they are the most elite superhero team on the planet why would they have security 💀💀
@@notinthemoodfornames8033 literally 5 seconds after Cecil teleports into the crime scene Donald says someone cut the power and killed the cameras.
There’s also the fact that he wanted to keep some level of subtlety to his actions. Omniman could have gone hypersonic and blitzed through their base just like he did with those aliens, but that would blow his cover beyond repair
it would also have greatly forewarned the gaurdians of his actions. he was able to do that because of building up momentum. they would have detected that immediately. red rush is FAR faster than him and i think immortal matches his flight speed.
I also doubt it would killed the important ones.
Your point on #2: I think it’s safe to assume that the team probably didn’t have a strategy or plan of attack while fighting Omni Man is simple and one you alluded to earlier. The shock and disbelief that their friend is turning on them has made them loose focus for a moment. It’s not easy trying to form a plan in the middle of a fight with someone who you’ve known as a friend your entire career. You even acknowledged in #1 that they were unaware of Omniman turning on them. And now you’re scolding them for not having a strategy on them basis that they should’ve known?
In simple terms: their shock and disbelief has stopped them from forming an effective strategy. I don’t think it was “for no reason” as you claim it to be.
Viltrumites are really tough but they aren't
*invincible title card*
ALRIGHT, I GET IT
at least one half viltrumite is 100%
INVINCIBLE
*stains of blood*
Well yeah… I mean they murdered half their population. Would probably need to have another pass to get actually invincible
Oh that 100% gonna be a line if they keep doing those
heh you didnt even need to title card text. I heard it in my head
Every damn analysis of this fight always forget Green Ghost exists. Thanks for acknowledging her.
Green Ghost forgot she existed...
No one remembers her cause her ability is really not that helpful or memorable IMO
@@panduvandal she could theoretically could be the best defense from omni-man in this fight. They all hold hands, she goes intangible, and Omni-man can't even touch them.
But despite this single character having the BEST chance of defending everyone, everyone analyzing the fight don't mention her op powers at all or even her. Her being memorable isn't an issue. It's everyone being too stupid to remember all the members in the fight they chose to do analysis for.
@@panduvandal SPOILERS:
In the comics (after some time travel) Green Ghost is able to briefly incapacitate Omni-Man by passing through him, causing him to vomit. This allows War Woman to knock him out with her mace.
@@PlanetZoidstar thank you for some of the future explanation
Love this video keep making ones just like this one
i come back to this whenever i need a good laugh thank u
The thought they put into that fight is mind-blowing. I loved how Omniman threw Darkwing's corpse at the Green Ghost because he knew she wouldn't phase and she'd catch someone she cares about in order to take her out fast. That's some good subtlety.
I loved when Omniman was punching the "wonder woman" and you see a little streak of red rush deflecting his punches. The details were wild
This show was amazing, a head above any live action marvel, dc or sony will ever produce, discussing Guardians of the globe wining is same to discuss when you had a chance to say or do something in life and think about it when it's already done, it's hard to think on a go so show was perfect even in that sense
The fish guy thought the same. Emphasis on thought.
They were actually a couple to
Ghost should’ve just ran outta there because there is literally nothing she could’ve done to stop Omni Man
The shock of watching a friend killing a friend would immobilize most people superpowers or not.
None were dead at the beginning of the fight, and these are superheroes.
@@ohitsrusher842 so if your a super hero you won't care after a dude gets his head blown off
@@sownheard yeah they have literally dealt with hundreds of exploded people in all manners of ways by this point. They have dealt with crushed civilians, melted people, decapitations, you name it but I do understand that watching it happen to a friend would be hard all the same.
@@ohitsrusher842 yes and at that point they were still holding back
If my best friend even pinched me too hard we would have to box so idk how realistic that is
All good points. The only factor that trumps all others is shock. When someone doesn't understand what tf they're looking at, logic goes out the door. Strategizing is difficult enough, let alone coordinating with others and finding ways to communicate strategies (without OmniMan noticing) in such an intense moment- all while trying to wrap your head around what's happening.
The show did wonderfully showing not only the prowess and cunning of Omni-man it also shows the valiance of the guardians of the globe as a entire unit . The fact that Omni-man still needed to ambush them just shows how incredible the team is . Not only in the beginning were there morals on but he clearly used that to his advantage .
His analytical and ruthlessness is nearly unmatched as he constantly uses that to suprise and catch the guardians off guard .
Although for the sake of the Plot I think thats why they lost the way they did . Again in the beggining of the show we see how skillful and experienced the guardians are .with that experience and teamwork they would likley defeat him or atleast loose with a closer possibility to win . Although he still blackout after ghe fight so they where still so close in thier worst teamworked fight , just imagine thier best .
Even without showing his full potential he still chose to ambush them ( he as in omni man ) .
This is so interesting but also relieving that although they were killed they were legit threats to him .
If Martian placed his heart at omnimans back.
Exactly
Thats smart because buff dudes literally cant reach their back
@@justov3049 Moreover Omniman was tied up so no way to reach the back anyway
this was the 2nd biggest flaw
Well Omniman still could have just slammed his back into the ground so Martian Man’s heart had to keep on moving
I'd say yes, since there's a whole plot arc in the comics where Mark visited a timeline where they did beat Nolan in this fight. Plus, if Nolan didn't believe they could, he wouldn't have ambushed them the way he did in hope of a quick victory
They didn't kill him, only incapacitated him
Here’s an idea. Stfu about spoilers maybe
@@jamespamson451 Don't read comments about a show that's based on a decade-old comic you refuse to read if you don't want spoilers.
@@jamespamson451 stop crying crybaby
yeup and then mark said "nah, i want a kid so I'm going back" and ruined it. the only reason he didn't fix the timeline was because he wanted a kid. like, you can make those anydays
They did the Guardians of the Globe really well in the show. How do I know this? Because I want to see more from them.
Fr. Its been over a year since I watched Invincible and I still like them.
Well made video, and YOOO MARBLE MADNESS OST
The idea that Omni-man held back is instantly debunked when Immortal gets revived and goes toe-to-toe with him for a couple minutes, landing hits and making him bleed. The two fights have consistent powerscaling there
The problem is immortal was out for blood the second time. The first time omni man caught all of them by surprise, the second time he was caught by surprise. Surprise is a big game changer, thats why its historically been used over and over again.
The power scales are just mest up, like Nolan could sharter planets and take nuclear Bombs like it was nothing but he would bleed for the punch of a guy who can be one shot by one of his swings
Immortal seems like he can hit decently hard, but falls far short of Omniman's durability. I can't picture Immortal punching through Omniman - he can't even poke out his eyes. But Omniman can punch through him, knock his head off with a swipe, or tear him in half.
@@Wulk It takes a lot to kill a Viltrumite, which is what Omni-man is. They are extremely durable, and the only way you can kill them is basically destroying their brain/heart. In the comics Omniman and Invincible fight someone even stronger then Omni, with their bodies practically ripped in half. But they weren't finished off and they were able to recover after getting surgery. They are OP as fuck and there's plot armor of course, but they can definitely get bloody. Hell if Red Rush actually just stayed on the defensive he couldve beat him. The man experiences things *extremely* slow compared to everyone else, and while he was getting his head crushed he even caused internal bleeding to Omniman.
@@Gerald-of-Riviera same with battlebeast and the leader of viltrumite. they battled for days while having their innards out. battlebeast even gave him 2 advantages, no weapons and he couldn't fly. it was stated BB was actually going easy on him because he wanted to die
I still don’t know why Dark Wing tried attacking Omni-Man physically. Like, your sorta out of your league man.
That was the dumbest move right there. What was he gonna do? Tickle him?
@@marcusmcneal7453 He thought he was Batman
He probably had a device to use. He might have even known about a weakness shown later in the comics. Not a kryptonite level weakness, but something that can throw Viltrumites off-balance.
@@marcusmcneal7453 worst part was, they clearly demonstrated there power difference to his face. When he was getting crushed by the tank and Omni Man just lifts it off no issue. REMEMBER THAT BUDDY?
Plot
I also like everything that happened post-fight. Cecil knew immediately that something weird was going on. He questioned why Nolan was the only one to survive among all the other questions that came up.
It's great to see a video about , it's an interesting show.
Answer: Yes.
They canonically beat him in the comic, when he didn't ambush them. Once they know he's the enemy, they took him down, without a single loss.
Didn't they have his son to help take him down at that point with some kind of time travel help?
@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf yes
@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf yes, in the "reboot arc"
I don't remember that, was it in Invincible or the Guardians comic?
@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf Yes and no, Mark was there, but he didn't fight, he got the shit beaten out of him before the Guardians arrived. The Guardian basically took Omniman out on thier own minus Fishman
To me the biggest factor that played to their downfall is the Red Rush. He was doing great just playing support and getting everyone out of harms way but then the moment he tried to shift onto the offensive, he was killed and then everyone else followed suit pretty quickly.
Honestly even if he'd punched Omni mans head rather than torso he would've done significantly more damage.. his chest punches actually wounded Omni man so face strikes wouldve been effective
@@MaMastoast he should've poked his eyes out
@@MaMastoast Don't know why he didn't go for the eyes. Like yeah, I doubt having your head get crushed slowly really inspires strategic thinking, but considering how Immortal was able to do lasting damage in the second encounter by trying gouge out Nolan's eyes, Red Rush could've prevented his death by quickly poking at the eyes.
When he pushed the immortal guy and started to pick the others, it felt to me he was just delaying what was about to happen, like, he knew that wasn't taking them anywhere in my understanding. Then he just switched to offense out of despair and anger, just as someone who couldn't accept the unavoidable
I think the batman guy could have just run, for he is useless. The ghost one could have being more useful by trapping him like she did to the twim giants for example. I don't really see how the water guy could help and the WW and the immortal should have killed him for good when martian man hunter wrapped him, immortal could have dropped omniman to his belly and tried to secure that hold from martin man hunter while WW could have smashed the back of his head like brutal assassination style
But I just don't see them executing one of their partners could blooded like that and then figuring out he was under control for example
What seemed to be the most important factor in Omnimans favor was the surprise factor and the confusion of everyone. Those heroes were never ready to just murder a regular foe, what to say one of their friends
Yes when they saw his head get crushed like that. They knew it wasn't going to be a fair fight at all. Omni man would not be holding back.
Great video.
Well done sir
It was established by Cecil in the 7th episode that Omni-man had been hiding his power level. Cecil knew that most of his stuff wouldn't actually stop him, but he was surprised by how little it actually did. And Cecil had been planning for eventualities just like that.
He still fell into a coma after the end of this fight
@@kitchensarehot8769 Yes, but the point was that the argument that they had "a pretty good idea" of how powerful he was is flawed.
His perception, for example. You can make a strong case for Red Rush not knowing that Omni-Man would be able to catch his fist.
@@kitchensarehot8769 cos he took basically every hit that they threw, Not just that but prolly didnt even utilize his smart atoms to enhance his durability. Just tanked every attack without bracing.
@@kitchensarehot8769 he probably allowed himself to be injured knowing he'd survive it just so he could sell the lie
He wasn't hiding it very well considering he was taking out meteorites the size of Texas
Honestly, Red Rush really messed up. Seriously, every movie with a speedster is like that. X-Men: Apocalypse, Death of Superman, JLA vs The Teen Titans. Whenever speedster engage in hand to hand combat, they get hurt and the fight is lost.
In the comics the surprise attack works. And guess who he kills with that opening: RR. The show wanted to make the fight more dramatic and longer than 20 seconds. So they let him fight and save some people then killed him off. It makes RR look like an idiot but they did it for entertainment purposes.
Speedsters should just pick up random objects and start chucking them at villains hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound more often.
@@navonmyhand7999 Ong why don’t we see more speedsters with swords or blades 💀
@@mattmail527 PG-13 ratings for most shows. And Invincible while not having that problem, is held down by Red Rush being a homage to Flash, who's one of the kindest heroes.
The flash is not a good example. He can run in the light speed and can give a punch strong enough to defeat superman ( it happened)
Interesting take and you explained it well.
However, all of the things you faulted the Guardians for were, I believe, part of the plan for Omni Man. His greatest advantage in this fight was the element of surprise. That he WAS NOT their friend. I believe he counted on their bewilderment and their morality to a flaw. He decieved them for so long so the impact of his betrayal would confuse and detriment them.
I remember this video came out just two years I was in highschool and this video was recommended to me again
Green Ghost, and basically all phasing powered characters in fiction, could just kill most super powered beings with a simple tennis racket, just insert into their bodies, that'll probablly cause problems. The Green Ghost simply lowered their guard in shock of what was happening there, and that was a bad call.
Yeh that's because in both iterations they are very new and inexperienced heroes, but just power wise maybe the most powerful guardian.
She would not have much impact on Omni Man, except making him squirm, if she tried that.
And she did try that in comics. She made him lose balance and vomit, but nothing more than that.
@@kingol4801 robot killed a viltrumite, i think it was an alternate mark, by dropping a device into their throat, while commenting on his intention being attacking them inside.
Green ghost there wasn't even attacking for the kill, she had to do something quick to save war woman, she didn't attack his brain or anything
I guess her not being the sharpest cookie or one that has most mental resilience was her weakness and Nolan exploited it perfectly.
@@Mr.BednaR i mean i wouldn't say that. She's just inexperienced. But you are right, Nolan knew he needed to take her out before she could actually use her powers, which is why we see him go for her the instant she's distracted.
Nah omni man just secretly fed them all popeyes biscuits cause that fight was a choke and a half my guy.
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The simple answer here is 'Yes'. And the comics show this to be true. That said, all of them act foolishly because they don't seem to get the stakes.
Immortal and WW standin were both physically capable of putting him down. They even show that they are capable of doing so with little effort. Each of them showed they were able even while fighting Omniman in short little bursts.
Darkwing staying on sensory attacks, Red rush sticking to defense, and Green going for internal attacks whenever the others hold him down with their attacks/suppression. They were entirely capable. The major problem was really the shock. In the comics, Invincible fixed that by simply telling them the stakes and being living proof.
i if Red Rush stayed as support instead of running in like an idiot, if Darkwing called for help instead of approching, and if Green Ghost didn't get distracted, yes
If they did all those things, they still die.
Omni Man is CLEARLY holding way back. I don't care what this guy thinks he knows, Omni Man is WAY stronger than all of them. He literally see Mark punch him HARD and he doesn't even flinch. He just takes it.
You think some intentionally non-lethal explosive baterangs can make him FLINCH?
Dude's playing them, letting them beat on him and making them think there's a chance to keep them there. If any of them had done something bothersome like try running away, he'd ignore everyone else and just murder them.
He literally could've just grabbed a meteor and turned their entire base into a crater if he wanted. He had a specific plan and he knows what he can take. Viltrimites don't use this strategy to conquer planets because they're worried about being killed, they do it because they believe it's the best method overall. They aren't trying to genocide every race, they want to absorb them and "perfect" them. One agent going and "prepping" the planet just maximizes the numbers they get to add. It's MUCH easier to conquer a people if you avoid just openly waging war. Them throwing wave after wave of volunteer corpses is much less likely if ONE fucker just destroys all their best people and makes it clear "you cannot do shit, just surrender and do what we say"
@@haku8135 spoiler:
They literally easily beat him in the comics though? Like Aquarius and Nightwing wasnt even there and Green Ghost was late.
@@haku8135 did you watch the video tho?
@@haku8135 I mean did you see how damaged he was in the fight
@@thetincanman2363 did you see how damaged he was in his fight against a bigass bomb, several cyborg soldiers that gave Mark a pretty rough time, Cthulhu AND a severely pissed off Immortal AND Mark?
Barely at all. I'm just not convinced they could beat him if he was serious. Immortal pressed his THUMBS into his eyes with what I must assume was his full strength and ALL he did was make them red, he didn't even seem inconvenienced by it. Can they HURT him? Sure. Can they KILL him? Not unless he lets them.
We literally watch him turn people to paste with zero effort, how long did he spend squishing Rush's head? He's playing them to keep them focused on attacking HIM while he dismantles them and gives himself a perfect alibi. WHICH LET US REMEMBER!
WORKED PERFECTLY
Bottom line: If Omni-Man didn’t consider them a real, credible threat to him or his objectives, he wouldn’t’ve needed to bother with psyching them out and getting the drop on them. But knowing they WERE a credible threat to him, he knew his best chance was to kill a few important lynchpins of their team before they had time to process what was happening, get over the shock of his betrayal, decide they needed to actually take him down, and formulate an effective strategy (or, given their professionalism elsewhere, pick an existing one). He seemed confident he would win, but he knew them well and had been planning this probably since the moment they met, so wasn’t stupid enough to leave them an opening to do their job & overcome impossible odds.
Also, the fact that he gets them all in one place is so they don't know that somebody is coming after them and aren't prepared. It might seem like it would make things harder for them, but unless he took down immortal, war woman AND red rush before the other learn about it, he's absolutely fucked because there is no way they're not staying together on high alert after that. And it's really unlikely that he could even come close to killing red rush if he was alone seeing as he could just run away and warn the others.
Yeah, people somehow seem to think that the guardians are weak and couldnt do anything to him but there is a reason why he decided to kill them, they are the biggest threat on the planet to him and they proved that when despite taking them down he suffered great injuries that he only recovered soo quickly from thanks to his viltrumite physiology, i bet the guardians could have been able to take down any viltrumite short of thragg if they were prepared and had the right tools
@@naunau311 Gotta wonder why he started with Immortal though. While he seems to be the biggest powerhouse just snapping Red Rushs neck at the start would have made his day much easier.
@@if7723 I think it's related to him thinking Immortal is as big of a threat as himself and I think he's right. While Red Rush ended up doing the most damage, that's because his ability is the one that needed the least training to deal decent damage. On the other hand while Immortal is probably on par with Omni-Man on a lot of things, he never had anyone that was on par with him and so that means no reason to train in combat which ended up making the difference
Solid breakdown
lol, knowing how the fight went in the comics makes this really funny.
I like this theory and I agree with you. The problem is and what Nolan actually was relying on is that after years of being on their side the Guardians never prepared a plan to defeat him as it never entered their mind they would need to. Unlike Batman in Justice League who had plans to take down theblikes of Superman in case needed these guys just lived their lives thinking Omni man is their friend. But your plan would actually work pretty well if the Guardians like most superheroes have not had their greatest weakness and that is that they assume the best of everyone especially a guy who has been posing as earth defender for over 2 decades. And that is where the genius of the Viltrumites plan is.
How fast is Red Rush? We simply must know
if the scene is any indication, he is slightly faster than omni man, meaning he can get to anywhere on Earth in a few seconds. this honestly doesn't seem right though because he has little superhuman durability (something necessary for going this fast). e aren't given any quantifiable feats to find out though.
Not fast enough lol
@@goosegg_2349 I mean he delivered 1/3 of enough power to destroy a planet
He's very fast lol
Well he perceives time just as fast he is ,he is quite fast but he doesn't seem to be faster than light
you're right on the money. agree 100%
Imma have to argue the outside point, when he is inside he’ll have less room to wind up any larger attacks (like the opening missed punch) when/if the fight moved outside then omniman would be able to use his acceleration, speed, and mass to his full advantage.
Idk why, but somehow I really felt Red Rush’s death. I think it’s for a couple of reasons:
1. We had just been introduced to him as the guy saving people at the White House, maintaining a relationship, etc
2. He also saved two guardians in the first few seconds of Omni-Man’s surprise attack. That’s why Omni killed him first (Red Rush would’ve just kept pushing the guardians away to safety). This makes him a really useful character
3. The way he died seemed so traumatic. Not only was it our first experience of the gruesomeness of this show, but we also saw the pain in Red Rush’s face when he starts punching with broken hands, realizing he might not actually escape this time.
The writers did an excellent job of making the deaths of these superheroes we’ve only known for an episode so heavy and meaningful. Props to them
Omni-man killed him first because red rush went in to attack him, so he was in range. The first person he went for was Immortal, who is likely the strongest one there after him
Don't forget that the headcrush felt like hours worth of time to him! Dude got it the worst of them all.
@@Vegito_Fanpage I think they showed it to us in real time for red rush. It would take omniman less than 1/100th of a second to crush a skull, we saw this when he crushed the pilots skull.
That's why his punches weren't going super fast. They were real time for red rush. His death only lasted 10-15 agonizing seconds, which would still be him perceiving it at 1000x speed.
What if Res Rush had used his legs to kick Omni-Man in the nuts rather than the chest punches, he might have incapacitated him
I know it’s strange but I really think red rush was a good super hero and he was one of my favorite characters until his super brutal death. That’s why it’s so hard for me to watch the poor guy get killed, I really feel like the guardians were a great team and the original guardians could have been great later on, long story short I just wish they had waited a little bit before just killing the guardians in just one episode.
I think you’re not giving enough acknowledgment to how completely unbelievable this was to the Guardians. For decades Nolan kept up this illusion of being a true hero through and through. They trusted him with their lives dozens of times over and he just with no warning or explanation started attacking them. The sheer shock of it completely put them on their back foot the entire fight.
He spent plenty of time acknowledging how shocked the team was. The point of the video isn't to analyze why they lost or criticize them for losing, it's just a hypothetical to see if they had any chance at all.
While that's all true, the Guardians would have had enough experience that the shock wouldn't have hindered their ability to do what they need to do. They have years of combat experience, and have more than likely seen some shocking things over those years. They would have the experience to know you fight now, and deal with the shock of it once the dust settles. So the idea that they were so unorganized because of the shock is flimsy. A veteran team suddenly pulling rooky plays in a fight, and not just 1 rooky move, but multiple in a row from all of them. Shock isn't enough to explain that away, that is purely plot armor for Omni-Man.
I'd be shocked at first but after red rush dieing it's 1110% from there. WW said it's him or us so i believe they were fighting 100% after that
@@Nozerone it is imagine a well trusted fried betraying you out of the bule and try to kill you it makes alot of sense and they were also trying to be non leathe cause they thought someone was controlling them
@@sanicinapanic4264 You're right, but you still excluding the fact that these heroes have spent years dealing with emergencies, tragedies, and all manner of other things. Through their experience alone from their line of work, even shocked they would still do what they need to do and then deal with shock after. Even if it was from a friend, losing their shit and faltering would be what a rookie would do. They aren't rookies, they are no strangers to shocking things/events. Yes, they would be a bit more hesitant, but they wouldn't have.. or shouldn't have dropped the ball like they did.
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The way I see it, even as jacked and powerful as he is I think we saw Nolan in a bit of a rut and having “let himself go a bit” for a Viltrumite. Although he looks like a god to us, I bet he had the equivalent of a “dad bod” on Viltrum because he’s been taking it easy and holding back on earth. I could totally imagine some Viltrumite asshole being like “Woah, Nolan! 8% body fat?! Maybe even 9… disgusting! What has this planet done to you?!” lol
I say this because we know that he purposefully hid his full strength and speed and pretended to struggle more than he did so that Cecil and the Guardians would underestimate him… and he does mention to Mark that Viltrumite powers aren’t magic, they need to be exercised and trained to their full potential including flight speed and control. I’m not sure how the flight works but the fact that you can train to fly faster is interesting.
So if Nolan spent over two decades holding back and not training I’m sure he “softened” a bit… inside and out. Physically and mentally.
So while I do think that he was a bit rusty and out of shape I don’t think the guardians could’ve killed him. Subdue him temporarily, maybe. Not kill him though.
I believe he collapsed more from mental exhaustion than anything. I believe he did/does love Mark and Debbie and he knew this was the end. He’s not an emotionless machine or psychopath he’s just been indoctrinated to believe in one thing and he’s spent 20 years slowly breaking that indoctrination by falling in love, having a son, having friends. He was absolutely trying to convince himself just as much as Mark during their “talk” and I do believe killing his friends took a toll on him. Physical strain mixed with emotional trauma is extremely exhausting. That’s what we’re seeing when he collapses.
That’s just my view anyway…
This makes sense to me
Nolan took out the viltrumite soldier on Thraxa pretty easily to me.
"they would have won with a better mindset and preparation" uh, yeah. Of course they could. Thats why omniman did this as a surprise attack. So they didnt have preparation or good mindset
it isn't about prep.
it is about the fact that even realizing the situation they were in they STILL fought stupidly.
Red Rush and DarkWing who were both extremely low durability thought it would be smart to charge into melee.
That isn't "bad prep" that's literal mental retardation.
@@thesun5275 well to be fair red rush did his best to keep Omni man off balance. The attack only lasted a few seconds and he wasn’t expecting to be caught. True it was a bit of a mistake but it’s a heat of the moment thing.
@@kenhanma5623 I agree with you, but tbh if red rush did think logically he would of stayed defence, keeping everyone safe from omniman's attacks. Green ghost could also helped instead of being fricking stupid.
In conclusion, if they used a good start they could of definitly won. With ease maybe. But it's logical omni man won cause otherwise the show would basically just end XD
@@imnobody4416 you gotta remember that red rush was the only one engaging Omni man. He was buying time for the others to regroup (which he did in the mauler twins fight) and green ghost was probably in shock and watching dark wing die in front of her definitely didn’t help. Gotta understand that when your good friend just killed another one of your good friends it’s fucking jarring
@@thesun5275 alright let’s say a long time friend suddenly jumps you and kills another one of your friends.
You have no time to react, get your thoughts in order, or even process what just happened.
Are you telling me you would be 100% logical in this situation?
A lot of this argument doesn't factor for the initial shock factor at the start. Organised team or not. They were in no way mentally prepared for any of this even up to the point of mid-way. It was only when Immortal says "I choose us" do they properly catch on. It's easy to plan for something that you've already watched from the comfort of a computer chair. Your thinking speed changes in the heat of it whilst confused.
.....Batman
@@metalmario1231 is an over glorified Gary Stu
I feel like that was the point of this video though like what if they were mentally prepared
Everyone in the show seems to be aware of mind control being a possibility. Why wouldn't they be mentally prepared for something like this to happen?
I was actually expecting to see this comment, you’d have to imagine though that the worlds greatest most honed heroes who fight world ending threats, you’d think they’d have a pretty relevant degree of shock training as to react to something like this especially with being aware mind control exists
Like even human police officers are trained to deal with shocking and sudden situations, and yes while of coarse you still have officers who will freeze up or panic, you’d think that the most elite heroes to exist on the planet could gather themselves a bit faster than a moderately trained real human
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That pimple on Martian man is his ‘Core’ As long as his core is not damaged he can heal from anything and is basically unkillable
They were not in a mindset to kill. They never expected Omni-Man to actually attack and kill them. Plus he got the drop them with expert knowledge of how their powers worked. No one really knew what Nolan was capable of.
Edit:As for the Guardians not using strategy. Its not like they had a plan for how to fight and beat Omni-Man, they never thought it would happen. Their strategy went out the window when one of them dies and most of them go into shock or get very pissed off. And in the words of Iron Mike Tyson "Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Although it's true that they would be very shocked, they would also be more cautious. When punched in the face, you don't go forward without a move in mind, at the very least. They had the numbers, the power, and Nolan didn't even have the element of surprise anymore. If they were under the assumption he was being controlled and that they were in danger, they'd hold back and catch a breather. I highly doubt that trying to fight him one on one would be very effective at all. Stun and restrain would work best, but no one supported Martian man. Just hold him down and let War Woman bash his head with her club until he was out cold or dead. A single hit very clearly hurt him, I don't doubt that just one or two more hits would have done him in.
And there is Batman, that the second that fucking Superman starts killing everyone, he would be like "OKAY ITS ACTUALLY HAPPENING"
@@The_Vanni OMG FINALLY GUYS I FUCKIN TOLD YOU
@@The_Vanni lmfao
I agree on this, but if you'd just ask "can they beat omni man" if they both groups knew their abilities. I'd say yes. If only red rush stayed defencive and keeping his allies safe they'd have a way bigger chance. Green ghost would be basically invincible but she was stupid af in the fight. If if Martian man didn't place his heart where his hands could of reached they'd have the best teamwork they could have and could have defeated omniman. But the show wouldn't even be going on if they won lol
I think a minor detail that is overlooked is that Omni-man threw Darkwing’s body at Green Ghost. Green Ghost was phased before he threw the body at her, meaning Omni-man could see and was well aware of when and where she was phased. She could’ve only done anything if Omni-man was unable to move
Does she become invisible when she phases?
@@shanedancer3895 Technically speaking she should since when phased all things even light would pass through her, and since no light is hitting her to bounce off she'd be invisible. That's one issue with phasing abilities no one ever thinks about when they write for those characters is they'd also be invisible.
@@-Offstar I think the invisibility part of phasing characters would depend on the fiction and how the powers work exactly. There's not one single way to have the powers work, and you could easily come up with some where they would still be visible. I was just confused because I've only watched the show and she never went invisible that I could recall, but I looked it up and apparently that's a power they have.
@@-Offstar I would think she would go blind too if she was invisible because of her power.
@@karthis5911 She wouldn't. She'd also be deaf, mute, unable to feel, unable to breathe etc. The character Mirio from MHA is a great example of all of the negative parts of a phase ability. Whenever he phases since nothing can interact with his body he becomes blind, deaf, mute, suffocates, his clothes fall off, he can't feel anything, and he immediately falls through the ground from gravity. The only thing it doesn't give him is the invisibility.
I think the shock really worked against them, cause like, yeah imagine your coworker that you trust just suddenly starts brutally killing your other coworkers lmao I'd be stunned for sure. They battle a lot yeah, but usually enemies who they've never known or fought side by side with
MARBLE MADNESS. The music during #3 was driving me crazy because I couldn't think what game it came from
I think the idea that the guardians could have won makes this far more intense and engaging even though you already know what happens. And once he does succeed, it makes it all the more gut wrenching because you know they could have won, but didn’t.
They'd mop the floor with him if they knew there was a fight coming, and they've proved it on brief moments they managed to catch their breath.
Idk I didnt really like how they downplayed his powers I feel it would have been better plot wise for omni man to just wipe the whole team with minimal effort
@@bmsuperstar1 not really, taking into account that Omni man had the abiltiy to throw a meteor the size of Texas and throw it back into space already tells us that he could've crushed red rush's skull a lot faster, he only wanted to make it look like he was beat up too. Not just that but prolly didnt even utilize his smart atoms to enhance his durability cos Omni man was able to tank a lot of attacks that scales to moon level. And in the comics, he just kills them with ease, so in conclusion, they wouldn't have beaten omni man if he really was out for blood.
I think that's why the Thanos fights were so compelling in Infinity War because the heroes were so close to beating him that it kept you on the edge of you seat
@@randomdude1489 the skull crushing could have happened in a instant for what we know
Red rush shouldn't be offensive. He should be saving his members. The heavy hitters should go in and aquarius should waste time with his water attack. Martian Man should restrain him and the Green Ghost should also phase members and save them from being hit. Also give dark wing prep time, maybe he can find some more effective weapons and tactics. Red rush can even get backup or tell Cecil before it's too late.
Yeah red rush should’ve stayed as support
I say leave Red Rush to protect the others. Green Ghost should stick with Aquarius. She isn't fast enough to intervene if he is already going for an attack. Since Nolan is a close range fighter and they aren't able to react fast enough, them sticking together is a good choice. If Omni Man even takes a step in their direction they should phase.
I think a lot of the comments about Martian Man are missing a crucial detail. He needs to be careful to wrap around Omni Man in such a way as to keep that organ OM ripped off out of reach, so likely keeping it to his back.
Even if he would've hv been able to do that for long omni man would still be able to catch him
Martian Man should restrain him and The immortal + Wonder Woman thing started punching him. Green Ghost + Red Rush act as support. Maybe Aquarius could drown omni man. Dark Wing can distract him with his gadgets
The element of surprise and attackers advantage is just so powerful.
I'm glad you brought up the comics Reboot arc. That shows that the Guardians are in Nolan's weight class.
This is a obvious question. Omni-Man himself even knew that they could have stopped him if they were aware of his evil presence. This why he SURPRISED ATTACKED them. They were completely thrown off. But nice video regardless! :)
Right I was gonna say, the answer is presumably yes, seeing as Nolan felt the need to kill them to begin with.
Agree. Nolan wouldn't resort to a sneak attack if he didn't think he would be wrecked in an honest confrontation
Yeah this
Eh, comics and series are different.
Must be said tho, even tho in the comics he kills them all in an instant they actually manage to take him down in a sort of "what if" scenario that plays out in later issues. Of course a young Mark was involved but it still counts.
@@nailtoolofamusement they took him down in two shots
I agree (as most people, and this video, points out) that if Red Rush kept saving everyone, the team would have survived much longer. However, I also think it's possible that Omni Man would have cottoned on to this tactic and adjusted accordingly. When Red Rush goes on the offensive, we see him land around half a dozen punches, always in a direction that Omni Man isn't looking in. Omni Man realises this, looks to (screen) left, but then blocks / grapples to screen right. This move catches Red Rush, exactly as Omni Man planned, and we all know what happened next. On this basis, if Red Rush kept pushing people out of the way, eventually Omni Man would spot this and aim his punch / lunge just to one side of his target, thereby instead hitting Red Rush as he ran through. We see on 2 of the times that Red Rush saves someone, it's at the very edge of his ability; i.e. he's not got any flexibility to dodge once he commits to a save.
With perfect hindsight, Red Rush's best opening move (after saving immortal) would be to dash off to Cecil, and leave him a handwritten note and video message explaining the situation. That's not only thinking tactically (to bring immediate backup), but also strategically; even if the Guardians are wiped out, at least humanity has the key information passed onto them, instead of it dying with the Guardians.
It's pretty demeaning, but actually the best use of Darkwing would be for Red Rush to drop Darkwing off with Cecil, so that Darkwing can explain in case Cecil has any follow up questions. It's demeaning but Darkwing is probably just best off as a glorified messenger boy! :'D
this guy is the only one who thought about it for a while
He's was a batman that failed to batman...I mean prepare.
Never mind Darkwing could have helped construct a better counterstrategy.
@@gmat5046 well, not everyone can write a borderline psychic and sell it like they do with Batman(even then, some of it's just downright too silly to swallow)
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If you think about it, this was a super risky move from Omni Man, if Red Rush(Like most people would) just ran away and told everyone Omni Man is killing the Guardians, Omni would be screwed, well, not really, but he wouldn't be able to pretend he's a good guy anymore.
Red rush broke his hands after repeatedly punching Omniman. So why did he come off of defense in the first place? Wasn't he noticing the pain and lack of effect?
If you notice, Omniman's chest is getting bruised and he even coughed up blood. So Red Rush was doing some pretty good damage internally as well as externally.
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 yep😄
@@MrTREEHUNTER22 yes, but no, with his speed he wasn't inflicting high enough damage fast enough to majorly affect Omniman. So the question still remains why did he go on the offensive when we can see for ourselves RR would've collapsed from the self inflicted trauma to his forearms before he stopped him.
That was only after he had his head stuck between omni-mans two hands. There was no escaping at that point. It was do or die. He tried doing something but still ended up dead. Yes he should have stayed on defence but even still he didn't know how fucked he was until Omni-man grabbed his wrist.
@@josephnapolitano5864 in the time taken for Omniman to let go of his wrist and grab his head why didn't he dodge? He already proved able to react to OM swinging at his team
It's all semantics. The writers determine what happens. The answer to any question like that posed by this video is simply "yes."
In the comics Invincible goes back in time to warn them and they win handily.
Short answer: darkwing shoulda hung in the back hit up cecil and have someone like cecil call someone like battlebeast and be like: "yo, battlebeast, pog viltrimite fight out on everest." and battlebeast would just be like "omw." and tp there to body ALL of them
The communications were cut
@@felipecosta-kv2fx base lines were, but Darkwing doesn't have a sat phone? Red Racer can't run and get public?
After half my team is dead, my response would be: "It would help corroborate the story if I back you up." Knowing Cecil, I'd lay low for end of season 1 and try then (likely dying yes)
You see how Nolan stayed away from Battle beast when Mark got slapped around!
@@ericjones9668 Battlebeast 100% would've slapped the shit outta Nolan without taking any serious damage at all. He'd have solo'd him and the GoTG at the same time.
@@ttv_mrjack6749 Now that you mention it, I never even thought about it. Nolan would've gotten trashed of he stepped in the fight.. keep forgetting Battle Beast is top tier!!
I think a stealthy Omniman would be a nightmare. Imagine if he called and emergency and they were all there and Ominman was like "I sense a threat but can't find it, we should split up and look" and he then 1 by 1 silently murders all of them saving War Woman and Immortal for last.
They should be smarter than horror movie teens.
In the comics he just insta-kills them not even a fight.
@@MouldMadeMind or just smarter than Mystery Inc.
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I think they could of easily won if given prep time and weren’t taken by surprise…but thats exactly why Omniman gave them no prep time and took them by surprise.
The reason Omniman didn’t immediately come to earth swinging is so he could analyze his opponents and gain their trust so he could methodically take them all out when the time was right. No matter the scenario, the guardians never had a chance because they never expected their friend of many years to turn on them. Omniman would of conquered earth decisively if he didn’t grow a conscious last minute.
it is worth noting that omniman specifically surprise-attacked them - i figure he likely knew it'd throw them entirely off-guard and make it easier for him to take them down. i think if he felt he'd be able to take them down easily then he might not have felt the need to pull a stunt like that.
i also think red rush VERY clearly outclasses him in speed. one of the biggest problems he runs into in his personal life is he struggled to stay engaged with his partner and would often, in a span of *seconds*, rush off to go deal with a crime he noticed and reappear before his partner in his hero suit. right across the world, dealt with in seconds. when he did his sacrifice, i dont think he was anticipating the rest of the guardians sticking around - he may well have expected them to flee and regroup.
it's also worth noting that the sheer brutality of the situation may have sent the guardians into more and more shock as time went on. moreover, we're led to understand that the guardians were pretty tight-knit--- may as well have been family, really. trying to continue to fight in a circumstance where you're watching your best friends, family members, whatever, get mercilessly picked off would fuck anyone up. sure, maybe they normally could've easily taken omniman, but that's why he formed such close connections with them in the first place; they were there to take advantage of.
Their training should have included “Losing the Fight” scenarios. Strategies that necessitate a combat retreat and mitigating an over powering force. Each scenario is a Alamo last stand strategy they should have memorized. It would include upholding directives such as preserving non-combatants, slowing assailant(s) with best uses of abilities, and coordinating with remaining team mates as best as possible. Never should there ever be an enclosed private peace meal fight with befuddled heroes using their abilities in questionable ways on a known opponent.
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Omni man probably prevented this from happening, intentionally or not. You gotta remember that his whole plan from the very beginning was to gain their trust and then destroy them all.
Not to mention that plan would include him as well, making him an essential part of delaying the "strong enemy" and allowing the others to escape. Meaning that without him, their planning would've been useless anyways.
As a Batman fan I would have loved to see Darkwing last a bit longer, maybe actually do some considerable damage but I understand why he didnt. It was a bit refreshing to see what happens when batman is written without plot armor and prep time.
Honestly, Batman wouldn't do anything like jump kicking Omni Man. He'd assess the situation at hand by using his teammates, who are much better suited for direct combat. Darkwing was just an idiot.
@@michaelsong5555 very true
Not to mention Batman has held his own against the Justice League as shown in Injustice. Batman managed to combat everyone that sided with Supes easily and successfully stayed alive while a bloodlusted Supes was active.
@@simoniacchicken5959 In Injustice, there was a pill that put all the normal people in the same league as the extremely powerful meta humans. The Injustice Green Arrow died to obtain it.
@@michaelsong5555 yes I am aware but it was the plan that Batman had to get ahold of that pill. Not to mention Batman had to fight to get there and still held his own