While he was attacked by his son and was stabbed in his stomach and his back and his arms He showed me scars 82 years old, told me, “I still have my daughter and my wife And I still have my life and my son.”
"Shattered pane (pain) all wrapped in plastic" is one of the best, strongest lines ever. Genious word play, how can it be unintentional? And "I had a heavy heart, he carried a door", how he is comparing their weight.. "with his wires so tangles his father was a stranger" everything is so painful and amazing. This song is a masterpiece
I didn’t manage to listen to conversations, until recently. When I discovered that this was a true story, it’s even more haunting. Imagining just working at a hardware shop and you discover this all unravel as an interaction with a customer. This is true, raw, humanity put to tape. Bravo
"I leave it at arms length I'm keeping my distance from hotels, and jesus, and blood on the carpet I'm stomaching nothing I'm reaching for no one I'm leaving this city and I'm heading for nowhere I carry your image, your grandfather's coffin And ed if you hear me, I think of you often" These lyrics are so damn powerful, I get chills every time they play
My sister is mentally ill and she tried to stab my dad back in March. She'd had little outbursts my whole life and it always felt like we were all waiting for some breaking point. There were no places to send her, and not a lot we could do as far as getting her help other than just medication. My dad managed to get the knives away from her and the police came so quickly and took her away and she spent 3 days in jail, she wouldn't eat anything and she was really sickly looking by the time my parents visited. They got the district attorney to change the charges so she was just in a mental hospital instead of jail. She was really well behaved there though so she got released, and they said they'd try and find a host home for her so that we didn't have to worry about her being a danger. 6 months later and they still haven't found one. I worry so much sometimes it'll happen again, and everyone will be sorry it happened even though they didn't do shit, and my dad will be dead. People never really talk about how hard it can be to live with mentally ill family members. Not that it isn't hard to be mentally ill as well. I guess I just wanted to say how much this song means to me on a personal level.
I understand that, I had a cousin like that. I remember him getting sick when I was really young. I was maybe 6 and one time he took my baby doll and slammed a hole in the wall with it at my great grandparents house. I feel bad cause him getting sick ruined my aunt's marriage and now she struggles so much to take care of him. I can see why she doesn't want to leave him in the state hospital since it is her only child but I worry about her since she's nearly 60 and he keeps getting worse.
My brother is ill too, and he refuse the medication. He's talking a lot to himself and that's something we got used to, he's also having his periods of "obsessions", when his mind seems to be ocupied with certain thing for many, many days. And so he got obsessed with "killing". At first he was just mumbling things like "kill, kill, kill..." to himself or between normal sentences during our conversations and nobody even felt uneasy, that's just how things were. I wasn't shaken when we met outside the kitchen and there was a kitchen knife in his hand, he also kept repeating his "killing mantra". Now I tremble thinking about that memory, but living with schizophrenic person somehow makes you unable to judge their actions properly. Or judge them at all. Hearing about this and a few other details, it was his doctor who first noticed things are getting ugly, she got scared, said we're all in serious danger and that he have to go to the hospital immediately. Easier said than done. He would never go there on his own, we had to sneak out, call for an ambulance and have them forcefully take him there. But when they came, they actually very rudely refused, symphatizing with the poor guy, while openly saying that we're just trying to get rid of him cause he's ill. Mom showed them the refferal from his psychiatrist, but they ridiculed us again, saying that we're supposed to call for the police instead. After all they took him somehow, he got treatment and never had similar obsession again, but it really made me realise how helpless is the family of schizophrenic person. Sometime later I asked the police if it's true that I'm supposed to call them in similar cases, but no, absolutely not! I can call police AFTER someone gets stabbed, else it's just a sick person being sick at their home and there's nothing for them to do. So yea, helping someone ill is normal, but helping the family...? I was clearly told by the police and that guy from an ambulance that nobody cares. I was shocked when I first heard this song, and I still can't listen to it calmly. I don't think I like it, but it means a lot to me too.
I have a stepmom thats ill and she had my brother with my dad and we dont want her drooling on her self so its hard im a cna at a nursing home but when its in your home and you cant sleep cause the screams breaking glass suicide attempts and she sleeps in random spots on the floor and take off for days hitchhiking across the country makes it hard. I love her but schizophrenia is hard especially when they are normal nonviolent but they're sometimes it get difficult
i showed this band to my mom. i was expecting shed question my mental health for being into stuff like this. instead, she was interested in hearing more songs so we chilled and listened to la dispute for a while. mother daughter goals.
This album has been my favourite for years an years but there are certain tracks Ive just skipped over and never got around to listening to (weird/bad habit I know) and I listened to this song for the first time today and I was in tears in public because my brother, who lives with my father, has been suffering from depression/schizophrenia for a bit now and is always very focused on taking it out on my father. just the serendipity of hearing this song Ive skipped over for years just as this is going on in our lives, I dont know what made me listen to this song today and at this point in my life after ignoring it for so long, I feel weird
First time I head this song was yesterday (I don't know why, LOVE La Dispute and seeing them in Philly next month). At work, which made it awkward because I started tearing up while listening to it because my step brother is Schizoeffective and I have gotten into a serious physical fight with him. Working in a State Mental Hospital doesn't help either, what with realizing perhaps a good chunk of patients there have the same story.
my brother has schizophrenia i love him but im scared of what his thoughts will lead him to i can defend myself but my mother and father i dont know. i love this song but it makes me butthurt like what would i do shoot my brother seeing him attacking my mother or punch him to a pulp. He is dangerous we have tryed to admit him he has attacked people before but they wont him be admited the medicines not working. i am a grown man a war veteran its keeping me from leaving and making a family but i stay here because i feel like i am the only defense from my crazy brother that i love and my parents.
remember that its not about how you feel. he is the one who needs help. please believe in him and trust in him. hes your brother. love him. make sure you understand him and tell him you love him often. don't call him crazy, that's wrong. he's your brother. not a loony. your dear brother. give him a hug. heaven knows he needs it. if he doesn't like hugs, just tell him you love him.
Romano Godfreyo I dont think he meant that he doesnt love his brother or doesnt care about how he feels. I think he's just worried for his parents safety. When someone has a mental illness that makes them act out in violence on others, while it may not be their fault, theres nothing wrong about feeling scared for your safety, theirs, and those around them. I do agree that they should tell him they love him often and show support, but that doesnt mean they have to also let themselves get physically hurt in the process.
correct me if im wrong, ed(ward benz) is the father that's stabbed 27 times? the "she" in the song is the wife/mother that got locked out when she went to the pharmacy? Jordan is playing the guy who fixes the door and he's narrating the story? i really want to understand this beautiful song.
+Same Mistakes That's it exactly. I don't know much about the band's outside lives but a lot of punk/hardcore bands have day jobs, he may very well be the one who fixed the door. Or he could be inserting himself as the role of narrator, I'm really in no position to say anything as truth.
personally the beauty of La Dispute is the lack of media support on the band. This really isn't a "fangirling" band. Just enjoy these pioneers in there craft before the media turns it to shit
I've listened to a lot of different music, but none of the artistry I've encountered matches this group. I wish I could experience these guys for the first time over and over again.
I just wanted to say, Schizophrenics are not violent, and being Schizophrenic does not make someone violent. Amazing song in every way though. They describe the paranoia quite well, and the effects of the medicines.
My boyfriend has schizophrenia and is on probation rn because he attacked a kid whom he thought they were after him. Not all are violent but people with this mental illness do have a certain breaking point.
a ton of people in these comments are talking about how they have a violent schizo family member that they're SCARED of. it's not an isolated case, this happens with most schizophrenics. i knew a schizophrenic man, one time he drove his truck into a ditch trying to find his way back home.. he was only a block away from his house. who knows how he acts behind closed doors
does anyone ever realize that the story is written in the perspective of Ed’s son who has schizophrenia? the part when he says “and you seem to look through me- to some old projector screen. playing back the scene as you described it on a movie reel. as real as the minute that it happened. that memory moving behind me. that moment that changed you for good” I feel like Ed’s actual son was the one who had offered him the help to fix his door without knowing that was his actual father. Being that Ed wanted his son to live a normal life and how much compassion he had for his son’s mental health it feels like a story between a father and his son. Ed’s son doesn’t remember the incident or the fact that Ed is his father- but he feels so strongly connected to the incident that it almost feels like a scene on a movie reel (his own memory)? I always theorized that Ed was the “Jordan’s” father in this song and he has NO idea. he sees this “old man” struggling with a door and decides to help him fix it and then being that Ed was so compassionate he finally remembered him during his episodes. IDK. i could be completely wrong but i always loved this song. it’s one of their best 😅
this song always reminds me of the night i sent my dad to the hospital. he used to tackle me to the ground when he was drunk and he'd grip me by my hair while he punched me in the face. one night i was angry and scared and i just let him have it.
Thanks for elucidating. The line that confuses me as it has no context is the 'grandfather's coffin' line. My supposition being that he and Ed became friends and he has a photo of Ed in his wallet and that he was also a pallbearer at Ed's dad's funeral? Is that how you read it?
OK. I have so much to learn. I saw then for the first time at Arctangent this summer. I was completely unfamiliar and just slightly happy on LSD. Needless to say it was impactful. Have listened to it all but still trying, in small doses, to get the meanings. I had no idea there were thematic chapters within. Thanks for the reply. :)
This song always reminds me of the time I was 15 and my schizophrenic mother tried to kill me with a kitchen knife when my dad wasn’t home and she stabbed the bathroom door 15 times and I had 18 missed calls to my dad but he never answered. I ended up having to call 911 and the cops took her away
God dammit. I found myself here when a cute girl I've been talking to on tinder sent me this song. How do I tell her her tastes are garbage? Do I lie? Should I pretend I didn't laugh as soon as the vocals started? I feel like I'm in highschool again. Fuck.
While he was attacked by his son and was stabbed in his stomach and his back and his arms
He showed me scars
82 years old, told me, “I still have my daughter and my wife
And I still have my life and my son.”
"Shattered pane (pain) all wrapped in plastic" is one of the best, strongest lines ever. Genious word play, how can it be unintentional?
And "I had a heavy heart, he carried a door", how he is comparing their weight.. "with his wires so tangles his father was a stranger" everything is so painful and amazing. This song is a masterpiece
And Edd if you hear me... I think of you often. That's all I can offer, that's all that I know how to give.
I didn’t manage to listen to conversations, until recently. When I discovered that this was a true story, it’s even more haunting. Imagining just working at a hardware shop and you discover this all unravel as an interaction with a customer. This is true, raw, humanity put to tape. Bravo
"I leave it at arms length
I'm keeping my distance
from hotels, and jesus, and blood on the carpet
I'm stomaching nothing
I'm reaching for no one
I'm leaving this city and I'm heading for nowhere
I carry your image, your grandfather's coffin
And ed if you hear me, I think of you often"
These lyrics are so damn powerful, I get chills every time they play
Edward Benz died on December 3rd at the age of 92. Survived by his wife, Daughter, and the son, Charles. Crazy the things you can find out.
Holy fucking shit I found him. Thats so god damn fucking sad fuck
Fuck
This song takes me back to when my son killed himself 💔 only song to take me back to that day .
@@angelavowell7022 im sorry for your loss
Most of this bands lyrics transcends simple music (I'm maybe biased tho as their my favourite band) it's utterly soul wrenching stuff
Edward just recently passed away December 3rd... Chilling.
I saw that too. Searched his name seeing if there was a news story and found his obituary.
Oh man I'm so sad now. Makes me wonder how his family is doing, including his son
Listening to these lyrics close and picturing it all. So powerful holy crap.
I am binge listening to la dispute rn, and this is prolly one of my faces. Music you can feel .
Same. its rare that music can make you relate and fee; this well on so many songs
I can’t believe I forgot about this band.. they saved me so many times.
My sister is mentally ill and she tried to stab my dad back in March. She'd had little outbursts my whole life and it always felt like we were all waiting for some breaking point. There were no places to send her, and not a lot we could do as far as getting her help other than just medication. My dad managed to get the knives away from her and the police came so quickly and took her away and she spent 3 days in jail, she wouldn't eat anything and she was really sickly looking by the time my parents visited. They got the district attorney to change the charges so she was just in a mental hospital instead of jail. She was really well behaved there though so she got released, and they said they'd try and find a host home for her so that we didn't have to worry about her being a danger. 6 months later and they still haven't found one. I worry so much sometimes it'll happen again, and everyone will be sorry it happened even though they didn't do shit, and my dad will be dead.
People never really talk about how hard it can be to live with mentally ill family members. Not that it isn't hard to be mentally ill as well. I guess I just wanted to say how much this song means to me on a personal level.
I understand that, I had a cousin like that. I remember him getting sick when I was really young. I was maybe 6 and one time he took my baby doll and slammed a hole in the wall with it at my great grandparents house. I feel bad cause him getting sick ruined my aunt's marriage and now she struggles so much to take care of him. I can see why she doesn't want to leave him in the state hospital since it is her only child but I worry about her since she's nearly 60 and he keeps getting worse.
Personally I know the circumstance, but i dont think of it as burden friend, as long as your there for support, she'll be happy
i hope shes doing okay now :(
My brother is ill too, and he refuse the medication. He's talking a lot to himself and that's something we got used to, he's also having his periods of "obsessions", when his mind seems to be ocupied with certain thing for many, many days. And so he got obsessed with "killing". At first he was just mumbling things like "kill, kill, kill..." to himself or between normal sentences during our conversations and nobody even felt uneasy, that's just how things were. I wasn't shaken when we met outside the kitchen and there was a kitchen knife in his hand, he also kept repeating his "killing mantra". Now I tremble thinking about that memory, but living with schizophrenic person somehow makes you unable to judge their actions properly. Or judge them at all. Hearing about this and a few other details, it was his doctor who first noticed things are getting ugly, she got scared, said we're all in serious danger and that he have to go to the hospital immediately. Easier said than done. He would never go there on his own, we had to sneak out, call for an ambulance and have them forcefully take him there. But when they came, they actually very rudely refused, symphatizing with the poor guy, while openly saying that we're just trying to get rid of him cause he's ill. Mom showed them the refferal from his psychiatrist, but they ridiculed us again, saying that we're supposed to call for the police instead. After all they took him somehow, he got treatment and never had similar obsession again, but it really made me realise how helpless is the family of schizophrenic person. Sometime later I asked the police if it's true that I'm supposed to call them in similar cases, but no, absolutely not! I can call police AFTER someone gets stabbed, else it's just a sick person being sick at their home and there's nothing for them to do. So yea, helping someone ill is normal, but helping the family...? I was clearly told by the police and that guy from an ambulance that nobody cares.
I was shocked when I first heard this song, and I still can't listen to it calmly. I don't think I like it, but it means a lot to me too.
I have a stepmom thats ill and she had my brother with my dad and we dont want her drooling on her self so its hard im a cna at a nursing home but when its in your home and you cant sleep cause the screams breaking glass suicide attempts and she sleeps in random spots on the floor and take off for days hitchhiking across the country makes it hard. I love her but schizophrenia is hard especially when they are normal nonviolent but they're sometimes it get difficult
Ed, we all think of you often. It's all that we know how to give.
He just passed away on the 3rd.
ed deserves to be remembered. thank you, la dispute, for spreading that sentiment. ed, if you hear me, i think of you often.
He mentions the same guy in all our bruised bodies and hearts still shrinking..
Yea, from what I recall years back all his songs are based around his home town and life stoys so that makes sense.
"Still your son" breaks me every time
i showed this band to my mom. i was expecting shed question my mental health for being into stuff like this. instead, she was interested in hearing more songs so we chilled and listened to la dispute for a while. mother daughter goals.
I just found this band and my mind is blown.
When ever I listen to this song i keep quit and stare at my screen...its so powerful i love this band and there music.
This album has been my favourite for years an years but there are certain tracks Ive just skipped over and never got around to listening to (weird/bad habit I know) and I listened to this song for the first time today and I was in tears in public because my brother, who lives with my father, has been suffering from depression/schizophrenia for a bit now and is always very focused on taking it out on my father. just the serendipity of hearing this song Ive skipped over for years just as this is going on in our lives, I dont know what made me listen to this song today and at this point in my life after ignoring it for so long, I feel weird
Amazing. It's seriously amazing what songs can do to you.
First time I head this song was yesterday (I don't know why, LOVE La Dispute and seeing them in Philly next month). At work, which made it awkward because I started tearing up while listening to it because my step brother is Schizoeffective and I have gotten into a serious physical fight with him. Working in a State Mental Hospital doesn't help either, what with realizing perhaps a good chunk of patients there have the same story.
Deeply Contimplative & AWEsome!!!
THANK YOU LA DISPUTE!!!
ImRemix yes he said in an interview that this one, king park and i see everything were all true stories
This song is perfect.
The feels, man.
my brother has schizophrenia i love him but im scared of what his thoughts will lead him to i can defend myself but my mother and father i dont know. i love this song but it makes me butthurt like what would i do shoot my brother seeing him attacking my mother or punch him to a pulp. He is dangerous we have tryed to admit him he has attacked people before but they wont him be admited the medicines not working. i am a grown man a war veteran its keeping me from leaving and making a family but i stay here because i feel like i am the only defense from my crazy brother that i love and my parents.
remember that its not about how you feel. he is the one who needs help. please believe in him and trust in him. hes your brother. love him. make sure you understand him and tell him you love him often. don't call him crazy, that's wrong. he's your brother. not a loony. your dear brother. give him a hug. heaven knows he needs it. if he doesn't like hugs, just tell him you love him.
Romano Godfreyo I dont think he meant that he doesnt love his brother or doesnt care about how he feels. I think he's just worried for his parents safety. When someone has a mental illness that makes them act out in violence on others, while it may not be their fault, theres nothing wrong about feeling scared for your safety, theirs, and those around them. I do agree that they should tell him they love him often and show support, but that doesnt mean they have to also let themselves get physically hurt in the process.
StarwindWolf Yes, do take necessary precautions, but treat him as a human as you do.
Thanks
i hope you're doing well
this song is just so powerful...people don't realize how many actually go through this exact same thing...
when people say songs are meaningless these days i just point them to la dispute and say your welcome
holy. fuck. this guy is an amazing story teller.
I choke up every time I hear this song.
Yeah, there are several lines that make my heart squeeze and my tears overflow. Powerful song
awesome song! heard it in a coffee shop the other night.
What rad-ass coffee shop do you go to?
yeah you are definitely not the only one who noticed that, pretty sure that a lot of their songs connect with stories interlocked
Love u dad rip
That ending takes the air out my lungs
Heavy chills at the ending every time
Holy shit this song gives me chills
Love u dad
correct me if im wrong, ed(ward benz) is the father that's stabbed 27 times? the "she" in the song is the wife/mother that got locked out when she went to the pharmacy? Jordan is playing the guy who fixes the door and he's narrating the story? i really want to understand this beautiful song.
+Same Mistakes That's it exactly. I don't know much about the band's outside lives but a lot of punk/hardcore bands have day jobs, he may very well be the one who fixed the door. Or he could be inserting himself as the role of narrator, I'm really in no position to say anything as truth.
this is a real story, Jordan is literally narrating himself in this song
+Harry Pearson Jordan worked at his uncle's hardware store with his cousin or brother i believe
+hippo “daughter of satan” potamus thats all correct, you can listen to his explanations if you watch the Conversations explanation
thanks :)
Holy shit this song really makes you feel something
This song gave me the chills
Jordan dude.. omg man. I just put my phone down listening to that shit the woo. Holy fuck
4:37 💔too good man
Truly my favorite song, ugh
This song is perfect❤
Who’s going to a concert soon
Literally the best band I've ever heard. ;-; What should we call ourselves? Like MCR has killjoy's. What should we have?
The fighters? Or the clocks maybe... I dunno. What about open spaces?
emilia malpica I like open spaces
+I messed up I'm sorry Disputers x3
We should call ourselve, tiny dots on an endless timeline
personally the beauty of La Dispute is the lack of media support on the band. This really isn't a "fangirling" band. Just enjoy these pioneers in there craft before the media turns it to shit
im reaching for no one
im leaving this city and headed out to nowhere
η εφηβεια μου ανέκαθεν ηξερε
I wasnt really a fan of la daspute until I heard this song. Killer
I've listened to a lot of different music, but none of the artistry I've encountered matches this group. I wish I could experience these guys for the first time over and over again.
I just wanted to say, Schizophrenics are not violent, and being Schizophrenic does not make someone violent. Amazing song in every way though. They describe the paranoia quite well, and the effects of the medicines.
Not all Schizophrenics are violent, but they can be. Generalizing either way is never a good idea.
I don't think it's a generalisation. This song is about one particular case.
My boyfriend has schizophrenia and is on probation rn because he attacked a kid whom he thought they were after him. Not all are violent but people with this mental illness do have a certain breaking point.
Schizophrenics are some ridiculous % more likely to be violent. This original comment is effectively wrong.
a ton of people in these comments are talking about how they have a violent schizo family member that they're SCARED of. it's not an isolated case, this happens with most schizophrenics. i knew a schizophrenic man, one time he drove his truck into a ditch trying to find his way back home.. he was only a block away from his house. who knows how he acts behind closed doors
Holy shit this makes me cry becuase my bestfriend is schizophrenic and I know I would be the one with scars on my arms
Reminds me of the song Skates by Hayden
does anyone ever realize that the story is written in the perspective of Ed’s son who has schizophrenia?
the part when he says “and you seem to look through me- to some old projector screen. playing back the scene as you described it on a movie reel. as real as the minute that it happened. that memory moving behind me. that moment that changed you for good”
I feel like Ed’s actual son was the one who had offered him the help to fix his door without knowing that was his actual father.
Being that Ed wanted his son to live a normal life and how much compassion he had for his son’s mental health it feels like a story between a father and his son. Ed’s son doesn’t remember the incident or the fact that Ed is his father- but he feels so strongly connected to the incident that it almost feels like a scene on a movie reel (his own memory)?
I always theorized that Ed was the “Jordan’s” father in this song and he has NO idea. he sees this “old man” struggling with a door and decides to help him fix it and then being that Ed was so compassionate he finally remembered him during his episodes. IDK. i could be completely wrong but i always loved this song. it’s one of their best 😅
This is perfect
Is it called Edward Benz, 27 times because he was stabbed 27 times?
Yes.
Kiss me hard .before you go *gasp* like julius ceaser!
Oh and does anyone have any songs of theirs like this?
LIsten to their album "Wildlife" if you like this song you would like Kings Park.
King Park, All Our Bruised Bodies, I See Everything.
Amazing! That's all I can say.
For some reason this video only has like 800 view. WTF society
I prefer it this way.
I'm getting no answers. i'm find no peace. no release from the anger. i leave it at arm's length, im keeping my distance
lol
1000th viewer :)
shit (cries)
this song always reminds me of the night i sent my dad to the hospital. he used to tackle me to the ground when he was drunk and he'd grip me by my hair while he punched me in the face. one night i was angry and scared and i just let him have it.
I have a question. Who's telling the story? It is the man who has stabbed, but was dead, wasn't he?
The storyteller is the person Edward Benz is telling the story to.
edward benz lived at least from the stabbing and told the narrator the story. he was bringing up the past. he does say it's hell getting old
nvm ed died after telling said story or so says the end
Thanks for elucidating.
The line that confuses me as it has no context is the 'grandfather's coffin' line.
My supposition being that he and Ed became friends and he has a photo of Ed in his wallet and that he was also a pallbearer at Ed's dad's funeral?
Is that how you read it?
OK. I have so much to learn.
I saw then for the first time at Arctangent this summer.
I was completely unfamiliar and just slightly happy on LSD.
Needless to say it was impactful.
Have listened to it all but still trying, in small doses, to get the meanings.
I had no idea there were thematic chapters within.
Thanks for the reply. :)
is this a true story?
Yes
Nobody flinch
Real
It’s been so long La Dispute, I got the tattoo on my wrist finally💕 I love you guys
This song always reminds me of the time I was 15 and my schizophrenic mother tried to kill me with a kitchen knife when my dad wasn’t home and she stabbed the bathroom door 15 times and I had 18 missed calls to my dad but he never answered. I ended up having to call 911 and the cops took her away
WHAT ABOUT THE COFFIN
Oh my
These lyrics partially hit just a bit too much close to him wat the fuck.
God dammit. I found myself here when a cute girl I've been talking to on tinder sent me this song. How do I tell her her tastes are garbage? Do I lie? Should I pretend I didn't laugh as soon as the vocals started? I feel like I'm in highschool again. Fuck.
What are you talking about, this is a great song
@@Jasper-Holland lol you know the notification shows your pre edit comment right? Nice.
@@adampolk7048 Yeah my apologies mate
@@Jasper-Holland have a nice day homie
@@adampolk7048 you checkmated me, nice. Hope your tinder date went well
He's not even singing.
It's simply beautiful
he is talking / screaming in tempo, which is possibly harder to do than just singing
+oa This is spoken word, omg
he's rhythmically voicing words in an exaggerated tone in tempo with music. What do you call singing?