Well, I just went to JSCamp Romania and found out about an html element called "portal" which, if it gets supported we can ditch frameworks...or someone will make a new library to make the use of it an ease, so for simple things frameworks are not going to be needed.
As a beginner developer, I find so many helpful answers from existing threads. But, when I specifically asks a legitimate question, some people downvotes it for no reason. Eventually, accounts get blocked.
Sometimes you want to ask a question about something related to a previous thread but your question immideatly gets flagged because it has the same topic as the previous thread. No matter how much you try to explain to them that it's not the same question and the question matter is different, they won't listen.
It's for a reason. Rules are simple, you ask same or very similar question -> your question will get flagged and downvoted. If that wasn't a rule you would have massive abuse of it. There are already enough of abuses of gaining rep, without it you would have hundreds of same answers and questions and stackoverflow would just become a massive pile of unorganized shit.
@@x86me75 *Rules are simple, you ask same or very similar question -> your question will get flagged and downvoted* Too many idiots flag the questions without reading them properly and as evidence provide a link to a question that has nothing to do with what was asked. I once asked a question about applying a particular SOLID principle in a particular scenario and some idiot flagged it and provided a link to generalised post about the SOLID principles and didn't answer the question at all. The guy who did it was ranked highly enough that others just assumed he was right and also jumped on the bandwagon. It is complete bullshit. SO was mainly developed to kill Experts Exchange, now I wish they hadn't.
Often times my, question will get closed and then Ill fix it but no one ever reopens them. Then I have a wasted question. One time I forgot to add a ; to the end of one my lines of code in the question.
You’re totally right about using GitHub instead. There’s incentive and pressure to be professional, responsive, and informative because the repo you’re posting to is the face of the company that is making the software. I’ve never had a question go unanswered, and the conversational nature of it makes it more natural to post.
How many times have you done a google search for a technical issue to find the top result is a stack overflow question that has been closed for being inappropriate in some way? It says a lot about the platform that some of its most popular threads are shut down, usually because some high ranked egomaniac who didn't bother to read the question thinks its already been asked.
THANK YOU! I hate the community at StackOverflow and rarely received help when I had a code problem. I have switched to reddit some time ago and it's much better.
I do the same, I signed up years ago and I have a rep of one. See so many dicks that just answer a question with no real information or answer a different question.
A lot of the more clickbait-y stuff is a grift tbh. I like that he's considering this subject though @ 11:08 Always talk about things even if they're controversial
Stack Overflow/Exchange is frustrating. I deleted my account a couple of weeks ago. It's generally a pretty toxic community, so I go to Reddit to actually ask questions. They're much friendlier. I'll still read answers if I come across them in a search, but the most important questions are usually closed as "off-topic" or "not constructive" or some other such nonsense.
actually that's very good, because people often ask things without putting any effort before they ask something... the thing that sets stack overflow apart from any other forum is just that...
Great video. You might have a manager who cares or a team that is caring, but the company certainly doesn't if there is another way to increase profits that doesn't include you/me. So, yes lookout for yourself first and foremost and keep a straight-laced company-face and demeanor and collect as many paychecks as possible. Save your money and hope to retire comfortably. That is the ultimate end game.. I agree with every point you've made. Great job Chris!
5:01 you're right, mental masturbatory tech articles and responses are all to easy to spot. Glad a lot of articles have cut back on that. Or at least that word is going around that they don't really help anyone (the kinds tech responses and articles that serve no purpose other than mental masturbation)
Usually I brought to stack overflow by Google when I enter some error message or how to do something in JavaScript (I don't remember it, so I search it everytime)
I once tried to ask a question, but it didn't let me because I didn't answer enough, then I tried to answer or to upvotes and it didn't allow me either.
The tough love stack overflow gave me honestly made me a better programmer, ask a simple question, get bullied, never use it again and rely on different sources...
It's not "tough love". It's "tough shit, if you don't get it". You made yourself a better programmer; NOT Stackoverflow. Arrogant coders / techies wrongly assume that because they know how to code, that they know how to answer coding questions.
When it comes to SO, what I have found throughout the years that was more beneficial for me about their website, wasn't so much trying to ask a question and looking for an answer... What was beneficial for me was reading through the questions and trying to answer the ones I knew or try to answer the ones that I at least thought I could try to implement on my own to try and help others solve their problem. It was more beneficial answering questions there than it was asking them!
So, one of your main points is that Microsoft will acquire Stack Exchange and then they might end up exploiting users. So you say we should use Github instead. But GitHub is a Microsoft subsidiary since 2018 and we haven't experienced any of that till today, right? Isn't this whole user exploitation point irrelevant to this discussion then (because it is present at both options)?
I have found that Stack Overflow has a mixture of very helpful and compassionate people on the one hand, and downright nasty individuals on the other, but you raise some excellent points, particularly the one about CEOs profiting from the generous giving of ordinary users and showing no acknowledgement or even basic human respect in return. It’s a part of a wider pattern. The internet has grown into the massive information resource pool it is largely as a result of ordinary people sharing on popular platforms, the vast majority of whom gain no monetary compensation, while a small handful individuals soar up into the 1%. We’re in a paradoxical age where free giving and sharing are exponentially greater than ever, while economic inequality is starker than ever. Edit: ❤️ the 🦄 in the title!!
ah yes stackoverflow, such a toxic place, im still new to programming but i always get condescending and elitist rude responses and always a downvote. whenever i do post a question over there i am usually at a lost and of course frustrated, but i think the frustration can seep through my situation and it might infect the readers a bit and their defensive response kicks in and likes to rub it back for some odd reason... but that's the thing my frustration is pleading for a solution, its not against them... idk why they behave so toxic.
I was under the impression that these people are doing it for free & are not required to be a gentle kind soul in doing so. Who cares if they're a little bit rude if you got the answer you were looking for? Mark as answer & move on. This is a case of idiotic entitlement & expectations, throw them away & your day is now pleasant. Edit: Expecting free shit with absurd expectations on the quality of the free shit. Cease this bull-shittery.
Cool! My question "IEEE-754 square root with Newton-Raphson" was featured in this video, in the sidebar under the "Hot Network Questions" sidebar. It's a small world.
I don't post questions on any stacksite. Fortunately, other people have already asked the questions that I look for. Some of them have paid dearly for it. I'm on GitHub all the time it seems these days. Even on RUclips, I find the answers to programming things really quick. And I'll just watch other videos that have similar subjects. RUclips, for me, is easy to look up programming tutorials and get results quick. Any code that I give out is so niche. Hardly anyone else can use it. I program with maybe 10 users in mind. Basically, hobby stuff. If it was code that basically plugs into and examines your model railroad layout and then generates a mapped railroad user interface with some AIs controlling the trains, I would charge money for that.
I had to make a second StackOverflow account because people downvoted my honest questions, without telling me what was wrong, and I eventually got blocked from my first account. Not a cool experience as a programmer dipping into a new language or tool.
Don't know much about stackoverflow rules and all.. I once gave my answer to a question and wrote "hope this helps" at the end. someone deleted just that part from my answer. did I do something wrong there! well... whatever
Yeah, stack overflow is quite a rude community in my opinion. I have asked questions, and some people refuse to give details and concise steps to solve the problem. Also, downvotes are abused a lot. I hope this is solved one day, but probably not. If I create my own Q&A site like Stack Overflow, I won't close questions without thinking (like S.O. does).
We can ditch them Google has responses stored. I have a 13-year-old, and he is prohibited from using that site. The last thing I would want is my son to be turned off of programing by a bunch of tree holes!
I only answered one question on stackoverflow. Basically making a minor change to allow the answer to run on python 3 instead of 2. Got downvoted within an hour probably by someone who had left the original answer even though my solution actually worked... a lot of the time I just don't even bother.
Many new devs are asking directly for the code, which is bad and no one is going to give it to you...They just provides answers that help YOU to get to the solution.
this hits home honestly.. Im new to web development and stack overflow is just not friendly.. now I just look for existing answers.. if it's not there I just don't bother.
@@dibyaranjantripathy1193 Google has indexed a huge number of pages. Unless your page can get onto the first page of search results, the fact that it's in the index isn't much help to you.
@Peter Mortensen The rules & policy of SO largely prevent low quality/effort users. The ones who don't get filtered out immediately are criticized & learn. It's a win/win.
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Also, I gotta say Chris, I really respect you speaking the truth and pointing out things that people won't because they are afraid of being perceived abrasively.
Id say it is a hostile environment for fresh devs. I no longer ask questions there, instead I use the official tech forums, reddit, some little known tech forums whose names I didnt bother to remember unfortunately, discord programming channels-really nice people there, helped me a lot.
Stackoverflow has gotten to the point that a lot of stuff on there is literally obsolete. They should just prune all posts older than like 2-3 years or hit the reset button.
I agree. And despite some of the questionable content, I think their biggest problem is the over-moderation going on. And their point system is absolutely stupid.
Bloody hell. I'm a starter developer so had no idea about this. It's shocking to think any company would try to do that to their employees and even more shocking that a co-founder of StackOverflow of all places would support such a thing. How dare they think they can control the personal interests of their employees. I guess being a CEO can make a person so far removed from the reality of things that they don't realise people don't just learn to code to make the bosses more wealthy.
This is so true. The days of free and open Internet are over and the big corporates seem to be falling over themselves to co-opt sites like Stack Overflow. This is bad news for beginners and those who wish to improve themselves. Sad.
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I agree with this to some extent. Stackoverflow can be harsh to newbies. It's a shame really... When you're starting out it's not self-evident if a question is "stupid" or not. That said, its the best option we got. If something better comes along I will use that. Maybe someone should make a StackOverflow site for newbies :p But I use stackoverflow less and less, partly because I'm becoming a better developer, but also because of the documentation of new frameworks and technologies seems to be pretty good these days.
Yeppe, that's what happened to me, asked a question and they basically told me to go to hell because the question wasn't formatted correctly, never went back there again nor I plan to. I've been using reddit and I had pretty good help from there, I even refuse to read anything from there. That site is on my shit bucket!
GitHub issues on a particular product are the best place to go these days. Typically the creators of the project are assisting with questions and they all go by their real name so they can't be dicks without everybody knowing they are a dick lol.
FIrst great video and mostly on point Chris. Most of the places where i asked for questions when i started learning ware straight up aholes. I got that i was asking dumb fuck question but i wasn't sure what i was doing at the time at all. I got one account banned from stack overflow because of too much negative karma. I left reddit programming subs because when i tried to test my knowledge and push myself to the limit - when i said something wrong people acted like i am worst scum of the earth for making mistakes. Some of them even crapped all over my English skills, because its not good enought - never mind that most of my errors are spelling related and my background is in vastly different lenguage group when it comes to spelling and grammar ( I am slavic, and my main script is cyrilic one) community is so fucking toxic i am avoiding it. I am personally how owning small facebook group where i help people and where I add people who need help with weakly monthly so i can help someone. Other than that, fuck stack overflow, when you got beyond certan level you dont even need that -most solutions are in documentations. I am just using it for quick code snippets when i am too lazy to type something and I can find it in first 2-3 search results. SO should be platform where dumb beginners should and could ask dumb questions. Its platform where bunch of aholes like to show how fucking smart and amazing they are.
I always wonder what is the reason to why you are not actually some entrepreneur, founder of the next stackov or github, and not a developer. My point is that you know a lot about new tech and seems you get updated about everything. Also you criticize big tech companies, even technologies and you are able to identify their clear problems, mainly because that's is your speciality. I know several CEO's of fintechs companies here in Argentina and as far as I know your profile looks pretty accurate to me.
Hah, I remember doing that with expert sexchange. But yeah, seems like stackoverflow is becoming less and less useful over time. Kind of ironic, really -- given that one of their main ideas (AFAIR) was to filter/vote out unuseful stuff. IMO at least partially it's s.o.'s overzelous approach to that which hobbles it nowadays.
I have spent a lot (many, many hours) of time on SO. SO has provided a great many answers, that I use every day. Is SO at bit hard on beginners? Actually it is. Is this a big problem? Not really. A bigger problem is that SO bans 'opinion' based questions. For example, a typical (banned) question might be 'what is the best IDE?'. Of course, that is a matter of opinion. However, I have learned a lot from reading people's opinions. SO is a big plus for the developer community and should be praised for it.
There was a company I almost ended up working for, but in the employment contract they it said that I couldn't do any side projects for profit. I told them that was a deal breaker and declined. I hope that's what any programmer does when a company tries to pull something like that. They don't have the right to police what I do on my own time.
A lot of programmers seem to hate their lives and what they're doing. It's hard to be a good guy when you hate every aspect of yourself. I just ignore them and keep working toward my ideal situation.
can someone claim that he want his data removed from stack over flow in the end it is your personal data and you should have the ability to delete it if some company want to buy stack over flow just evey one who against that delete his data sorry for bad english
here is a question i asked yesterday or something, that just got downvoted and flagged for deletion. also somebody randomly targeted me and downvoted my channel until he got banned, and i just started out there, like what the fuck, i have nothing to do with your business and yet some random prick(s) come(s) along and.., yeah!! what the hell!? so here is the question text, i copy pasted it, forgive me, it might not fit YT very well, but should demonstrate 'the problem' with both[the technical question(s) and stackoverflow] very well, i think! I started a new project with the following settings: C Language Dialect: C89 Other Warning Flags: -Wall Documentation Comments: NO! In Build Phases Link with: • OpenGL • GLFW • GLEW Header Search Paths: /usr/local/include/ Library Search Paths: /usr/local/lib/ Enable Modules: NO! Other Linker Flags: -lGLEW -lGLUT is FORBIDDEN!! ..it seems and this time when it comes to the lines of code glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 2); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0); it works. But when I try glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 3); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0); it doesn't and it gives me this message: Error: NSGL: The targeted version of macOS does not support OpenGL 3.0 or 3.1 but may support 3.2 and above From a function I found in the GLFW Documentation, which looks like this. void error_callback(int error, const char* description) { fprintf(stderr, "Error: %s ", description); } and this time only version 2.0 works. A couple month ago I did basically the same thing and version 4.1 run, down to version 3.3 i think. Any help/ideas on that? and this breaks my code too, for some reason glfwWindowHint(GLFW_OPENGL_FORWARD_COMPAT, GL_TRUE); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_OPENGL_PROFILE, GLFW_OPENGL_CORE_PROFILE); When running the first one I get: Error: Forward-compatibility is only defined for OpenGL version 3.0 and above Window Initialization failed! And, when running the second one: Error: Context profiles are only defined for OpenGL version 3.2 and above Window Initialization failed! Hardware: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015) Model Name: MacBook Pro Model Identifier: MacBookPro11,4 Processor Name: Intel Core i7 Processor Speed: 2,5 GHz Number of Processors: 1 Total Number of Cores: 4 L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB L3 Cache: 6 MB Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled Memory: 16 GB And when i meant "it works" I come so far to clear the background with a color... link to previous question GLFW GLSL OPENGL ISSUES QUESTION: how do you setup your Xcode project for a basic renderer, so that you have most freedom with all versions, if that is even a somehow possible?? which version is it actually talking about, at: glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 2); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0); the OpenGL version ? the GLFW version ? the GLSL version ? or some other thing i didn't thought of? what's the 'context' there really? SORRY, but not sorry, all that stuff is really not super clear to me! I really need help with that shit, and it's so annoying, yeah i guess pretty basic crap if you did it once or twice, but hey.. And please, before any random mod comes on and mutes my question(s) about that stuff, i tell you it's really annoying to re-write and copy paste it all over again. I mean i saw people getting away with asking shit like, "how do i render a cube?" (which one could probably do in a million different ways) So, it's not that for off that i might ask how one might setup his projects. And it might seem strange that after a couple experiments one version decides to stop working and all that crap, so if somebody likes to replicate my noob-problems i'm happy to hear any suggestion Thank you.
The coding community attracts a lot of people high on "technical IQ", but really low on "human EQ", in relating to people. StackOverflow is the epitome of "arrogant asshole coders", and that stems from the heads & moderators.
This is quite old in internet age but I kind of disagree on the specific bit of rant pointed to community quality. I didn't even started on SO but on dba.SO which is 10x more satanic than SO, these people are purists of QA and earning an upvote was as hard as getting drunk on Fanta. I honestly thought it was a bad community at the beginning but then it all came clear with the months I spend in there... Its about due diligence and formatting, all there all database gurus wanted was a properly titled, redacted, formatted and explained question.... You put quality into it and you will get answers. Tag it right also, use pictures, use code, post links, describe in detail... Most people taking a dump on SO have only been users for a few minutes, they posted a question titled 'javascript is not working' or 'should I learn c# or html?' for all the sharks to downvote them into oblivion. Of all the years into DBA.SO, which I personally consider the most radical SQL community ever, i can tell you, I never got a downvote I didnt deserve, it helped me step up my game when it comes to asking for help, for sure.
I think you over exaggerating here, I had some downvotes on my questions there and also it is a bit annoying when someone come and edit your questions BUT that happen mostly because me and other beginners don’t read the rules and ask wrong questions, like opinion questions that could have many different answers and that is what kept the quality high for the the content on the site which it is, stackoverflow is a real saviour and did way better to the Community than negative things to new developers and still there no replacement for it
Create a minimal complete verifiable example (MCVE) on StackBlitz (if it supports your dev language) then post it and your question on Gitter or a Slack channel. Done.
I didn't realize that I stopped using stack overflow till I saw this video, it kind of faded out into the background years ago and github issues and documentation took its place.
Stackoverflow is the saltiest saltmine in the interwebz.. as a beginner you won't even recognise enough similarity from their question and the different threads SOF shows up when you type in the question.
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Are we ditching everything? Is this a new series? lol
Lol, I got one more bitch already planned but I plan to switch to some positive soon. Nice to see you Brad, I hope you're well.
Exactly my thoughts
Agreed!!! Fuck everything! Let’s burn down the internet and start over from scratch.... Fight Club style.
Well, I just went to JSCamp Romania and found out about an html element called "portal" which, if it gets supported we can ditch frameworks...or someone will make a new library to make the use of it an ease, so for simple things frameworks are not going to be needed.
The Next one will be -- "Time to Ditch NPM..." ?
As a beginner developer, I find so many helpful answers from existing threads.
But, when I specifically asks a legitimate question, some people downvotes it for no reason. Eventually, accounts get blocked.
I've never even posted on Stack Overflow before. Like you, l get all my answers from existing threads.
Sometimes you want to ask a question about something related to a previous thread but your question immideatly gets flagged because it has the same topic as the previous thread.
No matter how much you try to explain to them that it's not the same question and the question matter is different, they won't listen.
It's for a reason. Rules are simple, you ask same or very similar question -> your question will get flagged and downvoted.
If that wasn't a rule you would have massive abuse of it.
There are already enough of abuses of gaining rep, without it you would have hundreds of same answers and questions and stackoverflow would just become a massive pile of unorganized shit.
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*Rules are simple, you ask same or very similar question -> your question will get flagged and downvoted*
Too many idiots flag the questions without reading them properly and as evidence provide a link to a question that has nothing to do with what was asked.
I once asked a question about applying a particular SOLID principle in a particular scenario and some idiot flagged it and provided a link to generalised post about the SOLID principles and didn't answer the question at all. The guy who did it was ranked highly enough that others just assumed he was right and also jumped on the bandwagon. It is complete bullshit. SO was mainly developed to kill Experts Exchange, now I wish they hadn't.
Often times my, question will get closed and then Ill fix it but no one ever reopens them. Then I have a wasted question. One time I forgot to add a ; to the end of one my lines of code in the question.
Stack Overflow's aggressive moderation also scared me off when I was a beginning developer
You’re totally right about using GitHub instead. There’s incentive and pressure to be professional, responsive, and informative because the repo you’re posting to is the face of the company that is making the software. I’ve never had a question go unanswered, and the conversational nature of it makes it more natural to post.
How many times have you done a google search for a technical issue to find the top result is a stack overflow question that has been closed for being inappropriate in some way?
It says a lot about the platform that some of its most popular threads are shut down, usually because some high ranked egomaniac who didn't bother to read the question thinks its already been asked.
Chris's next video: Ditch internet.
I thought i was the only one who ditch stackoverflow, going over the docs and reading open source code project did better for me at least.
I just use it for 10 year old jQuery answers lol!
That's about a lit's good for.
THANK YOU! I hate the community at StackOverflow and rarely received help when I had a code problem. I have switched to reddit some time ago and it's much better.
They can be jerks
Ditch programming. But I agree there are a lot of answers on Stackoverflow that say something like: you are dumb instead of answering the question
I go, get my answer from previous q&a and get out, don't want anything to do with that community, i'm proud to say i'm a stackoverflow freeloader
Haha, I know many successful software devs who do the same. Good for you!
Same
I do the same, I signed up years ago and I have a rep of one. See so many dicks that just answer a question with no real information or answer a different question.
@Traversy Media what should we use instead of stackoverflow???
You still have to use it. GitHub is another good place for answers.
Next video is gonna be ditch web development lmao
Lol, I won't go that far. I like this career. Changes need to be made.
😂😂😂 I came here to say that
A lot of the more clickbait-y stuff is a grift tbh.
I like that he's considering this subject though @ 11:08
Always talk about things even if they're controversial
@@realchrishawkes Wix is all we need right?
no, unless they pay me to say yes, no.
Stack Overflow/Exchange is frustrating. I deleted my account a couple of weeks ago. It's generally a pretty toxic community, so I go to Reddit to actually ask questions. They're much friendlier. I'll still read answers if I come across them in a search, but the most important questions are usually closed as "off-topic" or "not constructive" or some other such nonsense.
You can ask beginner questions here on my channel. I'll try to answer and wont judge.
actually that's very good, because people often ask things without putting any effort before they ask something... the thing that sets stack overflow apart from any other forum is just that...
Totally agree. I go to stack overflow just for answers I found some time ago, but for all my current dev problems it boils down to docs or Github
Great video. You might have a manager who cares or a team that is caring, but the company certainly doesn't if there is another way to increase profits that doesn't include you/me. So, yes lookout for yourself first and foremost and keep a straight-laced company-face and demeanor and collect as many paychecks as possible. Save your money and hope to retire comfortably. That is the ultimate end game.. I agree with every point you've made. Great job Chris!
5:01 you're right, mental masturbatory tech articles and responses are all to easy to spot.
Glad a lot of articles have cut back on that.
Or at least that word is going around that they don't really help anyone (the kinds tech responses and articles that serve no purpose other than mental masturbation)
The best help I've gotten has been blog articles with a side serving of just asking ppl I trust if the docs ever leave me stuck.
Usually I brought to stack overflow by Google when I enter some error message or how to do something in JavaScript (I don't remember it, so I search it everytime)
I once tried to ask a question, but it didn't let me because I didn't answer enough, then I tried to answer or to upvotes and it didn't allow me either.
The tough love stack overflow gave me honestly made me a better programmer, ask a simple question, get bullied, never use it again and rely on different sources...
It's not "tough love". It's "tough shit, if you don't get it". You made yourself a better programmer; NOT Stackoverflow. Arrogant coders / techies wrongly assume that because they know how to code, that they know how to answer coding questions.
I still remember Joels blog on 'the duct tape' programmer, right after netscape had to do a complete re-write.
and whats the problem with 4.0 license?
11:17 about that, what happened to the video about dealing with divorce?
When it comes to SO, what I have found throughout the years that was more beneficial for me about their website, wasn't so much trying to ask a question and looking for an answer... What was beneficial for me was reading through the questions and trying to answer the ones I knew or try to answer the ones that I at least thought I could try to implement on my own to try and help others solve their problem. It was more beneficial answering questions there than it was asking them!
So, one of your main points is that Microsoft will acquire Stack Exchange and then they might end up exploiting users. So you say we should use Github instead. But GitHub is a Microsoft subsidiary since 2018 and we haven't experienced any of that till today, right? Isn't this whole user exploitation point irrelevant to this discussion then (because it is present at both options)?
I have found that Stack Overflow has a mixture of very helpful and compassionate people on the one hand, and downright nasty individuals on the other, but you raise some excellent points, particularly the one about CEOs profiting from the generous giving of ordinary users and showing no acknowledgement or even basic human respect in return. It’s a part of a wider pattern. The internet has grown into the massive information resource pool it is largely as a result of ordinary people sharing on popular platforms, the vast majority of whom gain no monetary compensation, while a small handful individuals soar up into the 1%. We’re in a paradoxical age where free giving and sharing are exponentially greater than ever, while economic inequality is starker than ever. Edit: ❤️ the 🦄 in the title!!
(((parasites)) are as (((parasites))) do
ah yes stackoverflow, such a toxic place, im still new to programming but i always get condescending and elitist rude responses and always a downvote. whenever i do post a question over there i am usually at a lost and of course frustrated, but i think the frustration can seep through my situation and it might infect the readers a bit and their defensive response kicks in and likes to rub it back for some odd reason... but that's the thing my frustration is pleading for a solution, its not against them... idk why they behave so toxic.
Status quo. Biggest group of dickheads I've ever seen.
Fuck them, don't let these people's bad attitide get to you.
I've found that using proper grammar and stating your question clearly and explicitly help.
I was under the impression that these people are doing it for free & are not required to be a gentle kind soul in doing so.
Who cares if they're a little bit rude if you got the answer you were looking for? Mark as answer & move on.
This is a case of idiotic entitlement & expectations, throw them away & your day is now pleasant.
Edit: Expecting free shit with absurd expectations on the quality of the free shit.
Cease this bull-shittery.
Hey, have you experienced using stack overflow, and when no concrete answer was found, got back to own codes and resolved it right away? Lol
Cool! My question "IEEE-754 square root with Newton-Raphson" was featured in this video, in the sidebar under the "Hot Network Questions" sidebar. It's a small world.
I don't post questions on any stacksite. Fortunately, other people have already asked the questions that I look for. Some of them have paid dearly for it. I'm on GitHub all the time it seems these days. Even on RUclips, I find the answers to programming things really quick. And I'll just watch other videos that have similar subjects. RUclips, for me, is easy to look up programming tutorials and get results quick.
Any code that I give out is so niche. Hardly anyone else can use it. I program with maybe 10 users in mind. Basically, hobby stuff. If it was code that basically plugs into and examines your model railroad layout and then generates a mapped railroad user interface with some AIs controlling the trains, I would charge money for that.
I had to make a second StackOverflow account because people downvoted my honest questions, without telling me what was wrong, and I eventually got blocked from my first account. Not a cool experience as a programmer dipping into a new language or tool.
It's ruthless there
Their loss is humanity's gain.
Agreed. When learning java I went to the coderanch. Waaay more friendly and helpful.
i noticed github turns up on search results more often for solutions.
Yeah, I'd be worried if I we're Stack Overflow.
Don't know much about stackoverflow rules and all.. I once gave my answer to a question and wrote "hope this helps" at the end. someone deleted just that part from my answer. did I do something wrong there! well... whatever
That's ideal stack overflow behavior.
Yeah, stack overflow is quite a rude community in my opinion. I have asked questions, and some people refuse to give details and concise steps to solve the problem. Also, downvotes are abused a lot. I hope this is solved one day, but probably not. If I create my own Q&A site like Stack Overflow, I won't close questions without thinking (like S.O. does).
same here, should work together lol
I can’t speak on whether or not Stack Overflow should be ditched or not but I’m really finding this new content very interesting 👌
We can ditch them Google has responses stored. I have a 13-year-old, and he is prohibited from using that site. The last thing I would want is my son to be turned off of programing by a bunch of tree holes!
I don't even have an account on SO. I recommend to go there, get the answer and get out.
I only answered one question on stackoverflow. Basically making a minor change to allow the answer to run on python 3 instead of 2. Got downvoted within an hour probably by someone who had left the original answer even though my solution actually worked... a lot of the time I just don't even bother.
am i the only one that gets anxiety when posting a question to stackoverflow??
Many new devs are asking directly for the code, which is bad and no one is going to give it to you...They just provides answers that help YOU to get to the solution.
wait WHAT?! that entire piss fit was over a version upgrade of the SAME LICENSE?
lol
this hits home honestly.. Im new to web development and stack overflow is just not friendly.. now I just look for existing answers.. if it's not there I just don't bother.
I've been doing this 10 years and hardly ever ask questions.
Never thought about it that way. Thanks for the video!
I have never posted a question or a post on stack overflow, I'm just reading existing shit.
Why not just host your own website to answer questions? Too expensive?
nobody will see your answers because it's hard to get traffic there?
@@VORTEX___ I am not agree with you . If there are no answers to a question and you wrote it, Google will index that page.
@@dibyaranjantripathy1193 Google has indexed a huge number of pages. Unless your page can get onto the first page of search results, the fact that it's in the index isn't much help to you.
@Peter Mortensen The rules & policy of SO largely prevent low quality/effort users. The ones who don't get filtered out immediately are criticized & learn. It's a win/win.
Valid points. github issues and the docs are the place to be.
I wish I could like this video more than just once
I was on and off stackoverflow all day.
3:40 😂
People need to remember the old ways of the internet and not let that open way of being die
There were so many times when I got a good piece of information from FailOverflow questions "marked as off-topic"
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Also, I gotta say Chris, I really respect you speaking the truth and pointing out things that people won't because they are afraid of being perceived abrasively.
Yeah, honestly I'm just speaking the truth. It feels better.
Why don't we create a platform for Developers Union
Some people have tried already
Id say it is a hostile environment for fresh devs. I no longer ask questions there, instead I use the official tech forums, reddit, some little known tech forums whose names I didnt bother to remember unfortunately, discord programming channels-really nice people there, helped me a lot.
Oh and github. There's a lot of documentation there especially about .net core issues and news. People discussing there are really professional.
Decentralize the open net.
We are the builders, we are the source. Corps are corpse
Thanks for sharing
You do good at topics
You should do a podcast or something.
Horchata isn't a conspiracy. Horchata is delicious.
Stackoverflow has gotten to the point that a lot of stuff on there is literally obsolete. They should just prune all posts older than like 2-3 years or hit the reset button.
I agree. And despite some of the questionable content, I think their biggest problem is the over-moderation going on. And their point system is absolutely stupid.
You could say the stack has overflowed.
Bloody hell. I'm a starter developer so had no idea about this. It's shocking to think any company would try to do that to their employees and even more shocking that a co-founder of StackOverflow of all places would support such a thing. How dare they think they can control the personal interests of their employees. I guess being a CEO can make a person so far removed from the reality of things that they don't realise people don't just learn to code to make the bosses more wealthy.
I'm getting good answers on my questions even now, and old questions are good to
This is so true. The days of free and open Internet are over and the big corporates seem to be falling over themselves to co-opt sites like Stack Overflow. This is bad news for beginners and those who wish to improve themselves. Sad.
Given the recent developments of Stack Exchange Inc, we are coordinating the development of an alternative Q&A platform. Join us on Discord: discord.gg/3Wqscat
This video is bought to you by Github. Stop using Stackoverflow and use Github Issues.
I agree with this to some extent. Stackoverflow can be harsh to newbies. It's a shame really... When you're starting out it's not self-evident if a question is "stupid" or not. That said, its the best option we got. If something better comes along I will use that. Maybe someone should make a StackOverflow site for newbies :p
But I use stackoverflow less and less, partly because I'm becoming a better developer, but also because of the documentation of new frameworks and technologies seems to be pretty good these days.
totally agreed! we need take care of ourselves: love what you are doing; never lover your company ...
Yeppe, that's what happened to me, asked a question and they basically told me to go to hell because the question wasn't formatted correctly, never went back there again nor I plan to. I've been using reddit and I had pretty good help from there, I even refuse to read anything from there. That site is on my shit bucket!
GitHub issues on a particular product are the best place to go these days. Typically the creators of the project are assisting with questions and they all go by their real name so they can't be dicks without everybody knowing they are a dick lol.
FIrst great video and mostly on point Chris.
Most of the places where i asked for questions when i started learning ware straight up aholes. I got that i was asking dumb fuck question but i wasn't sure what i was doing at the time at all.
I got one account banned from stack overflow because of too much negative karma.
I left reddit programming subs because when i tried to test my knowledge and push myself to the limit - when i said something wrong people acted like i am worst scum of the earth for making mistakes.
Some of them even crapped all over my English skills, because its not good enought - never mind that most of my errors are spelling related and my background is in vastly different lenguage group when it comes to spelling and grammar ( I am slavic, and my main script is cyrilic one)
community is so fucking toxic i am avoiding it. I am personally how owning small facebook group where i help people and where I add people who need help with weakly monthly so i can help someone.
Other than that, fuck stack overflow, when you got beyond certan level you dont even need that -most solutions are in documentations. I am just using it for quick code snippets when i am too lazy to type something and I can find it in first 2-3 search results.
SO should be platform where dumb beginners should and could ask dumb questions. Its platform where bunch of aholes like to show how fucking smart and amazing they are.
I always wonder what is the reason to why you are not actually some entrepreneur, founder of the next stackov or github, and not a developer. My point is that you know a lot about new tech and seems you get updated about everything. Also you criticize big tech companies, even technologies and you are able to identify their clear problems, mainly because that's is your speciality. I know several CEO's of fintechs companies here in Argentina and as far as I know your profile looks pretty accurate to me.
I actually do think of all places for a union, programming is knocking on that door quick
Of course, now later down the road, MS bought github - ouch!
Yep :(
Here is how I search any programming questions I have using google search: -stackoverflow
Hah, I remember doing that with expert sexchange.
But yeah, seems like stackoverflow is becoming less and less useful over time.
Kind of ironic, really -- given that one of their main ideas (AFAIR) was to filter/vote out unuseful stuff. IMO at least partially it's s.o.'s overzelous approach to that which hobbles it nowadays.
I have spent a lot (many, many hours) of time on SO. SO has provided a great many answers, that I use every day. Is SO at bit hard on beginners? Actually it is. Is this a big problem? Not really. A bigger problem is that SO bans 'opinion' based questions. For example, a typical (banned) question might be 'what is the best IDE?'. Of course, that is a matter of opinion. However, I have learned a lot from reading people's opinions. SO is a big plus for the developer community and should be praised for it.
There was a company I almost ended up working for, but in the employment contract they it said that I couldn't do any side projects for profit. I told them that was a deal breaker and declined. I hope that's what any programmer does when a company tries to pull something like that. They don't have the right to police what I do on my own time.
A lot of programmers seem to hate their lives and what they're doing. It's hard to be a good guy when you hate every aspect of yourself. I just ignore them and keep working toward my ideal situation.
Speaking truth to situation.
Thank you for watching!
Thing is, I actually wanna get stuff done
That was kind of rebel when you suggested to ditch React. Ditching Stack-Overflow is just nihilistic!
You’re bang on.
Dude, I agree on SO, it is a useful site, and started off well, but I have received some straight up dickhead responses on legit questions...
Yeah, they screwed it. I suspect the new CEO is because it's on the way out. Joel is smart. It's on the way out and he knows it.
Agreed!!! Fuck everything! Let’s burn down the internet and start over from scratch.... Fight Club style.
Haha Joking, but yes I feel you on these latest venting vids. I’ve noticed some of same BS.
Strongly disagree on ditching stack overflow. Documentation is king
Thought provoking, that's for sure.
can someone claim that he want his data removed from stack over flow in the end it is your personal data and you should have the ability to delete it if some company want to buy stack over flow just evey one who against that delete his data
sorry for bad english
here is a question i asked yesterday or something, that just got downvoted and flagged for deletion.
also somebody randomly targeted me and downvoted my channel until he got banned, and i just started out there, like what the fuck, i have nothing to do with your business and yet some random prick(s) come(s) along and.., yeah!! what the hell!?
so here is the question text, i copy pasted it, forgive me, it might not fit YT very well, but should demonstrate 'the problem' with both[the technical question(s) and stackoverflow] very well, i think!
I started a new project with the following settings:
C Language Dialect: C89
Other Warning Flags: -Wall
Documentation Comments: NO!
In Build Phases Link with: • OpenGL • GLFW • GLEW
Header Search Paths: /usr/local/include/
Library Search Paths: /usr/local/lib/
Enable Modules: NO!
Other Linker Flags: -lGLEW -lGLUT is FORBIDDEN!! ..it seems
and this time when it comes to the lines of code
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 2);
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0);
it works.
But when I try
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 3);
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0);
it doesn't and it gives me this message:
Error: NSGL: The targeted version of macOS does not support OpenGL 3.0 or 3.1 but may support 3.2 and above
From a function I found in the GLFW Documentation, which looks like this.
void error_callback(int error, const char* description)
{
fprintf(stderr, "Error: %s
", description);
}
and this time only version 2.0 works. A couple month ago I did basically the same thing and version 4.1 run, down to version 3.3 i think.
Any help/ideas on that?
and this breaks my code too, for some reason
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_OPENGL_FORWARD_COMPAT, GL_TRUE);
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_OPENGL_PROFILE, GLFW_OPENGL_CORE_PROFILE);
When running the first one I get:
Error: Forward-compatibility is only defined for OpenGL version 3.0 and above Window Initialization failed!
And, when running the second one:
Error: Context profiles are only defined for OpenGL version 3.2 and above Window Initialization failed!
Hardware: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015)
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro11,4
Processor Name: Intel Core i7
Processor Speed: 2,5 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
Memory: 16 GB
And when i meant "it works" I come so far to clear the background with a color...
link to previous question GLFW GLSL OPENGL ISSUES
QUESTION: how do you setup your Xcode project for a basic renderer, so that you have most freedom with all versions, if that is even a somehow possible?? which version is it actually talking about, at:
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 2);
glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 0);
the OpenGL version ?
the GLFW version ?
the GLSL version ?
or some other thing i didn't thought of?
what's the 'context' there really?
SORRY, but not sorry, all that stuff is really not super clear to me! I really need help with that shit, and it's so annoying, yeah i guess pretty basic crap if you did it once or twice, but hey..
And please, before any random mod comes on and mutes my question(s) about that stuff, i tell you it's really annoying to re-write and copy paste it all over again. I mean i saw people getting away with asking shit like, "how do i render a cube?" (which one could probably do in a million different ways) So, it's not that for off that i might ask how one might setup his projects.
And it might seem strange that after a couple experiments one version decides to stop working and all that crap, so if somebody likes to replicate my noob-problems i'm happy to hear any suggestion
Thank you.
The coding community attracts a lot of people high on "technical IQ", but really low on "human EQ", in relating to people. StackOverflow is the epitome of "arrogant asshole coders", and that stems from the heads & moderators.
Lots of them
This is quite old in internet age but I kind of disagree on the specific bit of rant pointed to community quality. I didn't even started on SO but on dba.SO which is 10x more satanic than SO, these people are purists of QA and earning an upvote was as hard as getting drunk on Fanta.
I honestly thought it was a bad community at the beginning but then it all came clear with the months I spend in there... Its about due diligence and formatting, all there all database gurus wanted was a properly titled, redacted, formatted and explained question....
You put quality into it and you will get answers. Tag it right also, use pictures, use code, post links, describe in detail... Most people taking a dump on SO have only been users for a few minutes, they posted a question titled 'javascript is not working' or 'should I learn c# or html?' for all the sharks to downvote them into oblivion.
Of all the years into DBA.SO, which I personally consider the most radical SQL community ever, i can tell you, I never got a downvote I didnt deserve, it helped me step up my game when it comes to asking for help, for sure.
Thanks for sharing. I still use SO, I can't not use it even if I wanted to.
I think you over exaggerating here, I had some downvotes on my questions there and also it is a bit annoying when someone come and edit your questions BUT that happen mostly because me and other beginners don’t read the rules and ask wrong questions, like opinion questions that could have many different answers and that is what kept the quality high for the the content on the site which it is, stackoverflow is a real saviour and did way better to the Community than negative things to new developers and still there no replacement for it
This is a funny site to get mean comments. But it's still helpful.
True I still need it. They are trying to change their ways which is nice
Create a minimal complete verifiable example (MCVE) on StackBlitz (if it supports your dev language) then post it and your question on Gitter or a Slack channel. Done.
Ditching jokes aside, 9:48 I totally agree with it. GitHub is the place where you got answers nowdays.
Anyone here old enough to remember "Netslaves" :lol:
GREAT STORY BRO
Your problem is capitalism, Chris
Probably.
This is a straight up rant. 3.0 vs 4.0? Blimey.
It is I guess. The license thing is wrong though.
True about dev nda s
Dude, I so much agree with you. SO turned into such a shit.
I read is for developers, and not for new comers
I didn't realize that I stopped using stack overflow till I saw this video, it kind of faded out into the background years ago and github issues and documentation took its place.
Stackoverflow is the saltiest saltmine in the interwebz.. as a beginner you won't even recognise enough similarity from their question and the different threads SOF shows up when you type in the question.
I see..