Brythoneg, nid Cymraeg. Nid oedd Cymru yn bodoli ar yr amser yna. Dim ond Prydain a'r Brythoniaid oedd yn bodoli. O Gernyw i Gogledd yr Alban, roedd y pobl yn siarad iaith Brythoneg, heblaw am y de-ddwyrain, lle oedd y Saeson.
@@roberthudson3386 I have to disagree I have a map of wales at 400 and 500 ad in front of me around the time of king Arthur’s birth time. King Arthur was born in Cornwall so people believe at the time wales was not annexed by the anglo Saxons the same goes to elderslie where the Picts where William Wallace was born! Walace means Welshman but nobody talks about it! Scotland claimed William Wallace England claimed King Arthur but both are true Welsh men! All of the knights are welsh names funny that!
@@gabemore1766 William Wallace was born in the 14th century so if the "Wallace = Waleys = Welsh" legend is correct, then at most it could have been some connection to the Cumbrians of Strathclyde, not the Picts. Pictish died out around 1000-1100 AD, many decades before Wallace was born. As for Arthur, there is no hard evidence to confirm the existence of Arthur, only the chronicle accounts of several centuries after the events that are described. Many candidates have been proposed, including Ambrosius Aurelianus, Arthwys, king of Morgannwg, and Urien Rheged. Likely the figure is a legendary combination of many British leaders who won victories against the Saxons and stopped the advance, much as the Robin Hood legends likely draw on many different individuals/sources. This figure has then been embellished by medieval chivalric ideas and given an identity quite different to what a typical Dark Age Brythonic war leader would have had. Again, between 400-500 AD Wales did not exist. There were many small British kingdoms, and the people saw themselves as Britons, not Welshmen. They did not make a distinction between the Britons in the Old North/Hen Ogledd and what is now Wales. The people of Rheged (roughly modern Lancashire, Westmorland and Cheshire) and Strathclyde (Cumbria and southwest Scotland) saw themselves as kin to the people of Gwynedd and Powys. In fact, in relation to Wales, there was only one ruler that ever ruled all of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr in the 13th century. Rhodri Fawr and Hywel Dda also ruled most of Wales and Owain Glyndwr de facto controlled it for a brief period during his rebellion, but was never officially recognised. For the rest of its history Wales was not one kingdom but several small kingdoms. In the latter part of the medieval period however, the people began to see themselves as Welsh rather than Britons (and therefore as distinct from the Britons in Cornwall and Cumbria that survived).
This battle for those who don't know was when Mordred and his Rebel briton soldiers and Saxon puppet masters waged war against Camelot and all the Welsh kingdoms of the Britons that Arthur high king over. That Mordred wanted to be king of the Britons over Arthur and the Saxons if they were present were puppet masters. The song laments his passing
It has been suggested that the legendary figure of King Arthur may have a historical basis in the historical British king, Urien Rheged. Urien almost drove out the nascent Northumbrian Anglo-Saxons in the 6th century, but was betrayed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urien "He fought against the rulers of the Anglian kingdom of Bernicia (modern Northumbria). An Anglian noble, Ida, had occupied Metcauld around the middle of the 6th century and begun to raid the mainland. Urien joined with other northern kings, Rhydderch Hael "the Generous" of Strathclyde and two other descendants of Coel, Gwallog mab Llaenog and Morgant Bwlch. They defeated the Angles and besieged them on Lindisfarne but, according to the Historia Brittonum, Urien was assassinated at the behest of Morgant Bwlch who was jealous of his power. A man called Llofan Llaf Difo is said to have killed him. One of the Welsh Triads calls the death of Urien one of the "Three Unfortunate Assassinations" and another lists him as one of the "Three Great Battle-leaders of Britain".
Wow, I never considered Urien as a possible Arthurian candidate, especially considering his location. The Hen Ogledd in the 6th century became a Brythonic stronghold; it would make sense that Urien’s demise contributed to the Angles expanding into Bryneich, Ebrauc, and eventually Gododdin (what became Northumbria). Also, Historia Brittonum by Nennius places one of Arthur’s legendary battles at “Cat Coit Celidon” (The Caledonian Wood) just north of Rheged. Another Arthurian figure, Myrddin Wyllt (Merlin the Wild), is placed in the Old North. He flees to the Caledonian forest after the death of his liege, Gwenddoleu ap Ceidio of Arfderydd, who was defeated by Rhydderch Hael of Strathclyde. The date of the battle is placed around 573 AD, and his story is similar to that of Lailoken, aka Merlyn Sylvester, who is mentioned in the Life of Saint Kentigern (aka Saint Mungo of Glasgow). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrddin_Wyllt
@@balladsofhistoryPersonally I've heard the most support for King Arthur being based on either Riothamus, Ambrosius Aurelianus, or Lucius Artorius Castus, all of whom fit the more Romanesque depiction of Arthur. A Roman Arthur would've also likely been more likely to gain mythical status in my Opinion, as well as have been disciplined or knowledgable enough in Warfare and Tactics to have successfully been such a stalwart force against the Saxons. Riothamus is in fact called "King of the Britons" by the Roman historian Jordanes, and another Historian Geoffrey Ashe argues Riothamus is Arthur due to his history in Gaul, as well as his own betrayal by Arvandus likening to Arthur's by Mordred.
@@Esoteric_Loonaism Riothamus' story has always peeked my interests. His betrayal and defeat by the Visigoths in Gaul mirror the Arthurian narrative as you mention. Yet he survives and seeks shelter amongst the Burgundians, living on to fight another day. The possibility of Riothamus returning to Britain remain highly probable. While I've always considered Ambrosius to be the prime candidate for Arthur, could it be possible that both heroes are one and the same?
@@balladsofhistory that's my theory, it's been suggested "Vortigern" is a personal title, so perhaps all the British Kings gave themselves titles, or at least a majority, thus it may follow that "Riothamus" is also a title. It's a stretch with how little information is available but I think myths and legends have flexibility in their Truths. In my heart Riothamus is Ambrosius is Arthur, Rome and Britain will always have a shared connection, Arthurian Legend is the fulfillment of this connection.
In Y Gododdin you also have the reference to Arthur, although it could be referencing "arthwyr", or bear men possibly referring to a group or unit of warriors. However, Urien Rheged could never have existed, being just a fabrication of factions in Gwynedd to add legitimacy to the drive for a united British/Welsh kingdom with Gwynedd at the helm. However, the Cumbrian mountains are an ideal spot for Afallon, so the northern legends recorded by Gwynedd could tie with Arthur. I've always wanted Arthur to be more like Ambrosius Aurelianus since Aurelian was based af, but Urien was also a pretty cool guy.
I'm not sure what is with the Welsh pronunciation in this song....."Eoorai fo drooeni'r fan", "y durg Bedwyr" "heb orffwis a'r pwisau", pronouncing "Arthur" almost like English pronunciation. Is it suggested this is how it was pronounced in Old Welsh? It sounds very odd to a modern day Welsh speaker. Maybe it's historically-based, maybe not, but if it's going to make it sound bad, I'd rather they just stick to modern pronunciation☺ Also, just want to point out that I don't think that throughout the song the lyrics shown are what is being sung here, in the latter part of the song (from about 2:17 onwards) it sounds like different lyrics are being sung, although I can't tell exactly what they are unfortunately. Finally there is a mistranslation at 1:31 (Google Translate doing its finest!), where the song says "tynhau i ewynnau". "Ewynnau" can mean "sinews" or "foam". The "i" in Welsh means to, hence Google (or whatever else was used for the translation) has translated it as "tightening to foam". However, the "i" here is a contraction of "ei" = his or her, and should be written " 'i ". So since the previous sentence is "flushing his face", it's clear the correct translation should be "tightening his sinews", not "tightening to foam", which does not make sense.
While this particular arrangement has taken some liberties of its own, it includes portions of Thomas Gwynn Jones’ original poem. Welsh bards and critics credited Jones with incorporating Old Welsh/Middle Welsh into his work - hence the “odd” pronunciation. “Ymadawid Arthur” went on to win him the Bard’s Chair at the National Eisteddfod in 1902, though it was edited heavily afterwards. Here’s a link to a 1910 edition of the poem. www.peoplescollection.wales/items/8018#?xywh=-170%2C-1%2C789%2C750&cv=10
@@roberthudson3386 Diolch yn fawr iawn am eich neges. C'hoarezed int Cymru ha Breiz ha hen glad hon tadou eo ive enez Prydein.( Chwiorydd yw Llydawiaid a chymry ac ynys Prydein hefid yw hen wlad ein tadau )
Roedd y brenin arthur yn gymraeg nid saesneg ❤
Brythoneg, nid Cymraeg. Nid oedd Cymru yn bodoli ar yr amser yna. Dim ond Prydain a'r Brythoniaid oedd yn bodoli. O Gernyw i Gogledd yr Alban, roedd y pobl yn siarad iaith Brythoneg, heblaw am y de-ddwyrain, lle oedd y Saeson.
Я думаю в північній Шотландії жили пікти , а вони трохи інакші , да і королі Дал-Ріади взагалі гели .
@@roberthudson3386 I have to disagree I have a map of wales at 400 and 500 ad in front of me around the time of king Arthur’s birth time. King Arthur was born in Cornwall so people believe at the time wales was not annexed by the anglo Saxons the same goes to elderslie where the Picts where William Wallace was born! Walace means Welshman but nobody talks about it! Scotland claimed William Wallace England claimed King Arthur but both are true Welsh men!
All of the knights are welsh names funny that!
Gwir eo (mae'n wir)
@@gabemore1766 William Wallace was born in the 14th century so if the "Wallace = Waleys = Welsh" legend is correct, then at most it could have been some connection to the Cumbrians of Strathclyde, not the Picts. Pictish died out around 1000-1100 AD, many decades before Wallace was born.
As for Arthur, there is no hard evidence to confirm the existence of Arthur, only the chronicle accounts of several centuries after the events that are described. Many candidates have been proposed, including Ambrosius Aurelianus, Arthwys, king of Morgannwg, and Urien Rheged. Likely the figure is a legendary combination of many British leaders who won victories against the Saxons and stopped the advance, much as the Robin Hood legends likely draw on many different individuals/sources. This figure has then been embellished by medieval chivalric ideas and given an identity quite different to what a typical Dark Age Brythonic war leader would have had.
Again, between 400-500 AD Wales did not exist. There were many small British kingdoms, and the people saw themselves as Britons, not Welshmen. They did not make a distinction between the Britons in the Old North/Hen Ogledd and what is now Wales. The people of Rheged (roughly modern Lancashire, Westmorland and Cheshire) and Strathclyde (Cumbria and southwest Scotland) saw themselves as kin to the people of Gwynedd and Powys.
In fact, in relation to Wales, there was only one ruler that ever ruled all of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr in the 13th century. Rhodri Fawr and Hywel Dda also ruled most of Wales and Owain Glyndwr de facto controlled it for a brief period during his rebellion, but was never officially recognised. For the rest of its history Wales was not one kingdom but several small kingdoms. In the latter part of the medieval period however, the people began to see themselves as Welsh rather than Britons (and therefore as distinct from the Britons in Cornwall and Cumbria that survived).
This is epic a song of King Arthur in a language descendants of the language he sure spoke
cymru am byth ❤
Fe godwn ni eto
@@I_hate_roads mae' n wir (gwir eo)
This battle for those who don't know was when Mordred and his Rebel briton soldiers and Saxon puppet masters waged war against Camelot and all the Welsh kingdoms of the Britons that Arthur high king over.
That Mordred wanted to be king of the Britons over Arthur and the Saxons if they were present were puppet masters.
The song laments his passing
Яка чудова пісня , аж душу захоплює.
Uma das músicas mais lindas que eu já escutei…
Cool
It has been suggested that the legendary figure of King Arthur may have a historical basis in the historical British king, Urien Rheged. Urien almost drove out the nascent Northumbrian Anglo-Saxons in the 6th century, but was betrayed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urien
"He fought against the rulers of the Anglian kingdom of Bernicia (modern Northumbria). An Anglian noble, Ida, had occupied Metcauld around the middle of the 6th century and begun to raid the mainland. Urien joined with other northern kings, Rhydderch Hael "the Generous" of Strathclyde and two other descendants of Coel, Gwallog mab Llaenog and Morgant Bwlch. They defeated the Angles and besieged them on Lindisfarne but, according to the Historia Brittonum, Urien was assassinated at the behest of Morgant Bwlch who was jealous of his power. A man called Llofan Llaf Difo is said to have killed him. One of the Welsh Triads calls the death of Urien one of the "Three Unfortunate Assassinations" and another lists him as one of the "Three Great Battle-leaders of Britain".
Wow, I never considered Urien as a possible Arthurian candidate, especially considering his location. The Hen Ogledd in the 6th century became a Brythonic stronghold; it would make sense that Urien’s demise contributed to the Angles expanding into Bryneich, Ebrauc, and eventually Gododdin (what became Northumbria). Also, Historia Brittonum by Nennius places one of Arthur’s legendary battles at “Cat Coit Celidon” (The Caledonian Wood) just north of Rheged.
Another Arthurian figure, Myrddin Wyllt (Merlin the Wild), is placed in the Old North. He flees to the Caledonian forest after the death of his liege, Gwenddoleu ap Ceidio of Arfderydd, who was defeated by Rhydderch Hael of Strathclyde. The date of the battle is placed around 573 AD, and his story is similar to that of Lailoken, aka Merlyn Sylvester, who is mentioned in the Life of Saint Kentigern (aka Saint Mungo of Glasgow).
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrddin_Wyllt
@@balladsofhistoryPersonally I've heard the most support for King Arthur being based on either Riothamus, Ambrosius Aurelianus, or Lucius Artorius Castus, all of whom fit the more Romanesque depiction of Arthur. A Roman Arthur would've also likely been more likely to gain mythical status in my Opinion, as well as have been disciplined or knowledgable enough in Warfare and Tactics to have successfully been such a stalwart force against the Saxons. Riothamus is in fact called "King of the Britons" by the Roman historian Jordanes, and another Historian Geoffrey Ashe argues Riothamus is Arthur due to his history in Gaul, as well as his own betrayal by Arvandus likening to Arthur's by Mordred.
@@Esoteric_Loonaism Riothamus' story has always peeked my interests. His betrayal and defeat by the Visigoths in Gaul mirror the Arthurian narrative as you mention. Yet he survives and seeks shelter amongst the Burgundians, living on to fight another day. The possibility of Riothamus returning to Britain remain highly probable. While I've always considered Ambrosius to be the prime candidate for Arthur, could it be possible that both heroes are one and the same?
@@balladsofhistory that's my theory, it's been suggested "Vortigern" is a personal title, so perhaps all the British Kings gave themselves titles, or at least a majority, thus it may follow that "Riothamus" is also a title. It's a stretch with how little information is available but I think myths and legends have flexibility in their Truths. In my heart Riothamus is Ambrosius is Arthur, Rome and Britain will always have a shared connection, Arthurian Legend is the fulfillment of this connection.
In Y Gododdin you also have the reference to Arthur, although it could be referencing "arthwyr", or bear men possibly referring to a group or unit of warriors. However, Urien Rheged could never have existed, being just a fabrication of factions in Gwynedd to add legitimacy to the drive for a united British/Welsh kingdom with Gwynedd at the helm. However, the Cumbrian mountains are an ideal spot for Afallon, so the northern legends recorded by Gwynedd could tie with Arthur. I've always wanted Arthur to be more like Ambrosius Aurelianus since Aurelian was based af, but Urien was also a pretty cool guy.
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I'm not sure what is with the Welsh pronunciation in this song....."Eoorai fo drooeni'r fan", "y durg Bedwyr" "heb orffwis a'r pwisau", pronouncing "Arthur" almost like English pronunciation. Is it suggested this is how it was pronounced in Old Welsh? It sounds very odd to a modern day Welsh speaker. Maybe it's historically-based, maybe not, but if it's going to make it sound bad, I'd rather they just stick to modern pronunciation☺
Also, just want to point out that I don't think that throughout the song the lyrics shown are what is being sung here, in the latter part of the song (from about 2:17 onwards) it sounds like different lyrics are being sung, although I can't tell exactly what they are unfortunately.
Finally there is a mistranslation at 1:31 (Google Translate doing its finest!), where the song says "tynhau i ewynnau". "Ewynnau" can mean "sinews" or "foam". The "i" in Welsh means to, hence Google (or whatever else was used for the translation) has translated it as "tightening to foam". However, the "i" here is a contraction of "ei" = his or her, and should be written " 'i ". So since the previous sentence is "flushing his face", it's clear the correct translation should be "tightening his sinews", not "tightening to foam", which does not make sense.
While this particular arrangement has taken some liberties of its own, it includes portions of Thomas Gwynn Jones’ original poem. Welsh bards and critics credited Jones with incorporating Old Welsh/Middle Welsh into his work - hence the “odd” pronunciation. “Ymadawid Arthur” went on to win him the Bard’s Chair at the National Eisteddfod in 1902, though it was edited heavily afterwards. Here’s a link to a 1910 edition of the poem.
www.peoplescollection.wales/items/8018#?xywh=-170%2C-1%2C789%2C750&cv=10
@@balladsofhistory That's outstanding research, well done! Are you Ukrainian? I wonder because I see the emblem in your thumbnail.
Yes
Bevet Kembre (hir fyw Cymru)
Trugarez 🙂
@@roberthudson3386 Diolch yn fawr iawn am eich neges. C'hoarezed int Cymru ha Breiz ha hen glad hon tadou eo ive enez Prydein.( Chwiorydd yw Llydawiaid a chymry ac ynys Prydein hefid yw hen wlad ein tadau )
@@ronandepoulpiquet Mae dy Gymraeg di llawer well na fy Lydaweg, mae hynny'n sicr! Diolch :)
@@roberthudson3386 diolch
Sons of Gomer!