what's the minimum i have to do to get into heaven? i mean i don't really want to go there cos christians are horrid immoral sinners to a man, but i don't want to burn either, so what the absolute least i can do to get in? here must be a limit eh? and it would help so many lazy people like me who just want to avoid hell, so what's the trick, what do i have to do to fool god into admission? cos it seems to me people do an AWFUL lot of work when they just need to figure out a couple of things and they can spend sunday constructively, instead being moaned at about how bad they are.
A lot of young men today who identify as Christians or are considering Christianity, are under influence of Jordan Peterson's ideas about religion. It would be nice if you would share your thoughts on it. upvote so redeemed zoomer sees this comment
I used to listen to Jordan Peterson, but I stopped when I found he was in a dangerous place spiritually. It sounds just enough like Christianity and what we might want it to be, but it hasn't clicked for him yet. Until he professes belief in the Gospel, he may be more dangerous than helpful to listen to.
@@no1ofconsequence936 A lot of young men opened up to religion because of him, on the other hand a lot of his ideas about religion seem "funny" and it is very opaque. That's why i think it would be interesting material worth doing.
Jordan Peterson uses Carl Jung symbolism as the lens through which he sees religion (even Christianity). Basically, the events in the Bible don't have to be literally true, because the real truth is hidden within the story (or behind it, rather). It's all about the "real truth" the metaphorical story stands for. Of course, this is a problem because the Bible treats most of its content like it happened historically (if you rule out Revelation).
As a young Catholic convert, this is 100% true, and I see it all the time mostly online. This is something that many people my age who "convert" to Catholicism and especially Orthodoxy suffer with. They convert for all the wrong reasons because these religions are based, yet they never pray, never go to Church, and never interact with anyone else for the betterment of the Kingdom. and usually they'll grow out of their fad after 3 months once they see a "based" Muslim and then start the whole process again with Islam. All while never entering a Church.
As a Catholic revert, I was once in the same bus of larping and condensation. I hope that I will do better and embrace the Word of God in faith and love to share it with everyone else. Pray for me please 🙏
It's great that you're in the Word. The time that you read in matters less than you reading the Bible. Frequency matters though. Even if it were just a chapter or two every day and really studying and meditating on the text (it turns out that you can finish in 3 years if you read one chapter a day). That is most important. You can read the Bible without *reading* the Bible. Remember, this is God's special revelation and it shouldn't be taken lightly, like as if you are reading a textbook or a some sort of novel, and we need to be reading carefully amd with intention of getting to know who God is through His Words. Some of the Bible in a year plans have you reading 4-5 chapters a day, and I don't think that you can truly meditate on 5 chapters of Scripture in an hour or two.
I'm working on that too. Currently on week 23. My God bless you and keep working on it. Hope you finish it and come out with a greater understanding of His word.
I think the minimum goal is to read it regularly. Reading it in a year might be good progress but could be detrimental to absorbing what the Bible teaches. Remember, a person won't get everything the first time around. Something I remember when I think about progressing through the Bible is that I'm going to read it again right after I finish it, so I might as well be content where I am. I will read these verses a few years from now and have read them some years ago. I might find something new or remember something old. Better the Bible be a tool for spiritual growth than believe the number of chapters read equates to spiritual growth.
If you are an Orthodox catechumen, do not emulate those peers you see on the internet. Emulate Christ and lives of the church fathers. Otherwise you will never grow or become ready for true baptism - because when things get hard, and they will, you won't have the proper foundation to stand through them.
Avoid online spaces generally. It is better to interact with russian grandmothers at Church than it is to spend time with strangers and americans larping as restorers of the byzantine empire
Orthodox catechumens are some of the most obnoxious and narcissistic people I’ve met (mostly on the internet). Orthodox laity I’ve met in person are some of the nicest Christians I’ve met.
This is why in the Dutch reformed church we really push for young people to be catechized and then push for church membership. We need members who are dedicated to their faith and community, as well as be held accountable to the church.
I am Dutch too and in the Orthodox Church you have to be a catechumen for 3 years before you are baptised and accepted into the Church, just like Paul.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 As a Dutch Christian I can tell you there is nothing based about the Dutch reformed church. It is void of any tradition and almost everyone who grows up reformed, becomes an apostate. The north of our country used to be either calvinist or reformed., now there are practically 0 Christians left in the north because of the weak church. The only religious part of the country is the south, where 96% is Catholic and Orthodoxy is rapidly growing. Please don't try to spread calvinism. It is the reason behind the huge apostasy in the west. I used to be atheist, but I am now Orthodox. Our Church gains new converts every week, thank God.
As orthodox christian, I think we must educate new members of our church so they really know what orthodoxy about, and don't be orthodox just because it's "based" or "chad"(even if it is)) but because their faith
I think it also reflects a larger issue --- that _everything_ is an aesthetic and trend. Perhaps due to the desperation of wanting to be in a group. Readers have the same problem. Academics, too. People care more about _looking like_ they participate in something, than actually participating in it.
@@kristof6472 Precisely for this reason I am Protestant. I just can't believe that what Gregory of Nazianzus wrote has more authority or importance than what God wrote through his apostles and prophets in the Bible LOL
@@pedroguimaraes6094 The oral teachings which were deemed trustable were put together by the catholic orthodox pre-schism church. Those not were not included. That is how the Bible came to be.
@@kristof6472 He used the Apostles and His Prophets to write His Word, as Paul and Peter said: 1 Thessalonians 2:13: "And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers." 2 Peter 3:2: "That you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles" The Scripture is sufficient to the Church and to equip Man for EVERY good work, as Paul said: Timothy 3:16-7: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
"Christian as an aesthetic" that's a term I use a lot. I was once interested in dating this girl whom I worked with, however, though she acted nice and claimed to be a Christian and went to a bible study, she was really quite shallow, and often used her faith as a way to belittle everyone else. One of my other co-workers advised against me dating her, and even described her as a "Christian For The Aesthetic" and I'm glad that I had those wise voices in my life to lead me along the right path. Since then, I've become stronger in my faith, I've learned to look out for people like this. I've also become closer friends with a girl at my church who actually exemplifies the qualities of a Godly woman. As for the men claiming to be Orthodox or Catholic just because its "trad and based" I'd say that that's just the Christian equivalent of the redpilled movement really, just like you said. They're just jumping on the hype train because it's different, despite not knowing what the Bible actually says. It's sorta like those teenage communists who only believe in communism because they heard some propaganda, and not because they've read the works of Marx. These kids are prone to changing their political beliefs the second they become exposed to another ideology. I see these Christian LARPers in the same light. And for the 6th example, I used to be one of those people. I didn't know how to pray, and I didn't understand why I needed to. I used it as a "break glass in case of emergency" type of thing. But in the past 2 years I realized that I couldn't just say these things, but not have a personal relationship with God. Before bed, I like praying, reading my bible, and reading a good theological book. And often I'll pray in order to start my morning off right. I'm glad you pointed this out. I think we need to point out these hypocrisies to become stronger as the Body of God.
@@nerychristian True, in my experience this is true of Christian Music, those people who make "super deep" mainstream worship songs that get played on Christian radio stations or at megachurches are often the people most likely to deconstruct. Meanwhile people who make less mainstream styles of Christian music like rock or metal are often the strongest Christians (Take, for example, John Cooper of Skillet) They're less willing to appease people or compromise just to appeal to the masses. And their songs more often touch on controversial social issues and even hypocrisy within the church that mainstream Christian artists would never write about. It's like the pharisee praying loudly on the corner versus the tax collector praying silently and diligently.
my stepdad married my biological mom because she was very much having a 'christian aesthetic' when she was early 20's. this is the same women that had bastard two (2) kids with another man while she was married for just over a few years. its why i believe that while faith is important, your actions better reflect your faith because as the bible says in James 2:19 even the demons have faith in God
@@nerychristian no, i am glad to exist. but it messes you up in the head knowing you weren't truly wanted by your parents no matter how much they may do for you. its a weight only years of faith and learning of your spirit can lift.
We Christians who are involved in our local churches do need to work on our aesthetics as well. Masculine pursuits and physical fitness are good things a Christian should incorporate into their lives and would help build rapport with young men hungry for Godly manhood
Although true, being involved in church without aesthetics is far better than someone with aesthetics not using said aesthetics. Faith without works is dead
Are think you are focusing on the wrong aesthetics. If by aesthetics you mean, always aiming for excellence in the preaching of the gospel, excellence in music and liturgy, beautification of the church building to create an atmosphere of reverence, and dressing modestly and being presentable- then I agree.
what does "masculinity" have to do with Christianity? Isn't Christianity openly against the age old concepts of the greedy carreer man who gets his social status by having sex with multiple women?
Not really, because they aren't Christians and don't claim to be. Usually it's pretty obvious when it's somebody wearing a crucifix or a rosary for the aesthetic
@@codywork-us7wu Pastor Bob IS LITTERALLY the pope. His sermons are so good that he's allowed to be the absolute authority on all Christian doctrine of course since he follows the Bible THAT well.
I used to be very annoying, I was one of those guys who would argue with people just because they didn't believe in the same thing, I used to think what I was saying was right, but then I realized. 1. I was being a degenerate to everyone. And 2. I was flat out wrong half the time. But thanks to videos like this, I've learned to be a better person, and to stop arguing about such stupid things, and to stop shoving Jesus down people's throats. And, looking back, I'm ashamed of myself, because I looked like one of those fake Christians. I don't even know why I'm typing all of this though, nobody's probably going to read it all. But if you did, thanks :) Also enough about my dumb life story. But you make really good videos. I'm gonna binge watch them later
Thanks for sharing. I think that's a part of growing in faith, of God making us mature in Him and giving us more of Himself - in your case (and my own in many ways) growing in humility. Not being steeped in shame, though initially I think a little bit of guilt is necessary to shock us out of certain patterns of behavior, but over time, humility takes on the sense of looking more to Christ than ourselves, thinking of ourselves less and more of God.
Very honest comment, thank you for your testimony. I feel as if I often slip into that phase of arguing with people at times, and I think I need to be more in check with how I interact with others so I do not seem condescending.
I've never understood why people just type "become orthodox". Surely it would be far better for them to write "become orthodox because (reasons they came closer to God in the orthodox church, how orthodoxy helped them grow their faith etc.)" No one is gonna become orthodox because someone typed "become orthodox" with no further explanation, it comes off as self righteous even if that wasn't the intention.
I became Orthodox because I needed the depth it offered me in comparison to my Baptist upbringing. "Jesus is my boyfriend" music and the Bible sans Deuterocanonical simply wasn't enough for me to live the practical Christian life I needed to. Some people live as saints upon crumbs, but I'm far worse than those people and needed the whole loaf, as it were. (while on the topic of biblical canon, I'm EO not OO, and I'm curious to read an English translation of the Orthodox Tewahedo biblical canon, which is the largest of all traditional biblical canons. It's even split into broad and narrow versions of itself, and according to wikipedia is not known to exist as one published compilation. Unfortunately because of the book of enoch whenever I try to look into it I mostly get piles of western schizo new age stuff instead of ethiopian orthodox exegesis lol).
Catholic here. I think you couldn't be more right about people who basically are only Christians on the internet. I think it may be correlated with the problem of just society in general living their whole lives on the internet. The other thing I'd say is that Catholicism and Orthodoxy and how you bring up the idea that they may not have as good of a "personal" relationship with God is that in some ways I think you're right and we should work on that, in some ways I think you're wrong, and in some ways I think you're right but it's actually a good thing. For instance, we see God as clearly above us - His Fatherhood is much greater than your dad's fatherhood, if you get what I'm saying. I think there should be some formality there. The other thing I'd say is that I think the problem of people rambling without any relationship with God is most prevalent in the very low-church Protestants who will be attacking Catholics all over RUclips comment sections talking about how they're not Christian for not accepting sola fide but meanwhile demonstrating almost no Christian charity in their discussions. It's a problem to be found all over.
I'm Protestant, and I admit this is true: "The other thing I'd say is that I think the problem of people rambling without any relationship with God is most prevalent in the very low-church Protestants who will be attacking Catholics all over RUclips comment sections talking about how they're not Christian for not accepting sola fide but meanwhile demonstrating almost no Christian charity in their discussions." We need to love each other and correct each other (meaning I appreciate Catholics correcting Protestants!) in _gentleness,_ the way you have. God bless, man
I don't consider myself Orthodox. I look into it and see the good things they do. I am not Orthodox on the basis I haven't even become a catechumen. I want to be Orthodox, but I know that I am not yet.
I was chrismated into the Orthodox Church this January after about half a year of IRL catechesis (This is aside the point, but all of my close family happily attended my chrismation, and that was a great comfort to me :D ). Some priests have a year-long catechism, and the most hardcore patristic era style catechesis lasts three years! So, I can definitely say the Orthodox do their best to lead inquirers toward becoming genuine Christians. I'm sure you've seen Orthodox priests admonish LARPers online as well, "come and see" being the most straightforward adage.
Young people are missing out a ton of happiness by just larping as christians. Going every sunday to mass and helping my church has been a source of happiness since the day I went back
Being religious for hedonistic purposes in literally any faith is disingenuous. I couldn't imagine being Buddhist and saying this kind of nonsense. Commitment > Happiness.
I am Christian and have been my entire life, but recently haven’t been going to Church recently this video has really made me realize I need to start going again. Very informative, thank you.
Larping in some cases could lead to be abused for actually evil groups to actively help them into doing sin too. A year ago a small church opened near my friends house he told me they we're just larpers as they abide to most of those features you exposed in the video, they never tought something could be wrong in it. Until some day the church was completely surrounded by the Army and the national guard. It turns out that just like that synagoge in NYC, below the church there was fully ventilated tunnel that crossed from México to the USA, and it was used by cartels to smuggle drugs and people between countries, all that while the belivers that went there never suspected anything because they never went further away than just larping.
I'm an orthodox catechumen who came in contact with your channel through Kyle and I'm enjoying the genuineness of your content, larping needs to stop indeed.
I was finally able to go to church yesterday (mainly because I keep handicapping myself) and it was fun, they have a Bible study group on Wednesdays and we're even doing a food drive soon
Because I feel like it, I'm going to go over the points and see if I'm a cringe larper 1. Theological debating without the Bible. I don't really debate much, but I do occasionally ask other Christians on Discord about verses that sound strange. I am also trying my best to read at least a few chapters of the Bible per day. 2. "Trad" Christianity without church. I am personally very lucky to have a church less than a mile from where I live, which has not been completely ruined by the theological liberalism of my country's state church denomination. If anything I ought to be more grateful to God that the specific church has for the most part done its job. And yes I go to church as frequently as I can. 3. While I do of course attend a Lutheran church as a Lutheran, that is more because me identifying as a Lutheran comes from attending said church, plus there are things I agree with Presbyterians on instead of Lutherans (such as evolution), so I guess I am a little guilty in that regard. 4. I've from time to time thought about whether I should belong in another denomination, but despite that I've always identified as Protestant (and Lutheran once I learned the differences between the Protestant denominations), for as long as I was a Christian. 5. Okay yeah I am guilty of this, in the sense that I do a bad job of being a loving person. 6. Half guilty there. I do pray, but not as much as I could, which means I probably don't pray as much as I should. 7. I do go to church, as mentioned in points 2 and 3, but besides that, college, job between college semesters and the band I'm in, a lot of everything I do is internet related, so I'll say I'm half guilty here. So 2 of 7 larping points. I'll have to work on those flaws.
I just don't understand why the Protestants feel the need to alienate us because they feel as if we're what role are we filling and playing I don't understand i just want to worship in peace I pray every day every Morning Monday evening and night i read my bible every night I read my prayer book every single day how am I dangerous? There aren't any orthodox churches near me I still attend church although it just so happens to be a Protestant one idk what these people feel like they need to crap on thoughs who are just trying to find there way through a fallen world
You should put your church attendance in the highest priority possible. Even on vacations try to look up online if there's a local church or anything. We get tourists on my church all the time, sometimes even on our weekday meetings. Christianity is community just as much as it is personal. It's extremely important. "And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching." - Heb 10:24-25 The Sacred Author put it right there along with love and just preceding that it talks about perseverance of the faith. Worship God in community and lift each other up. This way YOU grow, your brothers and sisters grow, and Heaven descends on Earth just a little bit more. As God willed it. May God give you the graces to grow in holiness. Pax tecum.
If you’re claiming to be a Christian, you need to be going to a church. Doesn’t mean you agree with all they say if they sometimes spout crap (and they often do), but you still need to go. Where else can you get the sacraments? Also, you’ll probably find fellow Christian’s who you can interact with.
@@BowlOSoup6661 If your parents won't drive then ask around at school for friends who go to Church and see who can take you. If you're really serious, there's a way. Someone will probably pick you up. Unless it's far out of the way. Find a way. If there's no way....don't sweat it.
As a 13 year old orthodox from birght who read the bible i can only say: cool video, don't really like how in the firsts couple of minutes you target orthodoxy so much but sadly lots of "orthodox" people do stuff like that
There are many who (young and old) are keen to tell others how to practice Christianity, but not many keen to show others how to be a Christian. Im always short of people who greet others at Church, vacuum the building, pray for others, help with the service sheets, read scripture, play music, sing loudly, turn up regularly, give encouragement to those serving…lets encourage people to practice Christianity in person…not via a keyboard. Actually it is not just from the keyboard, I have come across too many Street preachers …keen to tell people about Christianity…yet when I asked them what Church do they direct people? too sadly many don’t think about this, (especially out of town street preachers)…keen to make a noise…not that keen to disciple people longer than 5mins it seems. 😢
Just wanna say your content is a breath of fresh air. The theological debating without love point is something I've encountered often. It often comes across that people are more concerned with having the exact right doctrine than they are about loving God. (I'm painting with a broad brush here.) It seems that theological triage is completely out the window and every issue is do or die. I don't agree with my church on 100% of doctrine, but what keeps me there is the community. It's helped me learn what issues are salvation issues, fellowship issues, and very minor theological disagreements. Above all that, it's helped me learn how to theologically disagree with my brothers and sisters in Christ in a loving manner. Keep up the good work man. God bless.
Although different, I feel there's another type of LARPing that has been a thing in the United States, mainly in the rural south and mid-west, for a long time and that's the cultural Christians. People who go to church every Sunday, or most Sundays, and will tell you they are a Christian, but don't actually know God. They go to church because it's what you do in their culture, and to them that's all being a Christian is. I'm from Appalachia, and that is definitely a thing here. People will tell you they're a Christian because they go to church, believe God exists, and vote Republican, but don't actually know Jesus.
12:30 moving to Japan and addopting their culture and values wouldn't make you japanese, being closely related to a japanese person would. What truely makes a person part a tribe is blood, the cultural habits of a tribe are the result the environment the tribe resides in and how they interact with the other tribes around them. The idea that someone can just move to a different country and copy the behaviour of the natives and then be considered equal to the man who was born in the country, lived there all his life and can trace his family lineage back a millenium to the ancient tribes that the country used to be is false.
Ok, on the other hand, larping can turn into the real deal. Certainly larping Satanists often turn into the real thing, and I think it can happen for Christians too. Just encourage them to take one step at a time to go from "based" to "based on the word of God", and overlook their cringe moments.
personally i've found that the best thing for me was seeing the worst side of religion first growing up, having an bad reaction and becoming one of those edgy r/atheism types in highschool, and circling around out of that and finding my place in a better sort of middle ground, as it left me with no illusions of my faith being misguided nor just for show. larping is done with people who need direction for their faith, which is abused both by bad faith actors and people who focus too much on "just having faith" without worry about what faith actually means. joining my small town's humble old church filled mostly with older people has been the best for me as its been slow and sure to rebranding my faith to be closer to what christ actually intended and not some cherry picked bible verse used to justify crappy actions.
I'd like to add one more to your list. "Get off the freakin secondary issue debate treadmill!" Here's what I'm talking about and it plays into what I may be doing on my own channel. I was raised as a nominal Catholic and I eventually became a firm believer in Jesus. Yes, I am saved by what Jesus did for me on the Cross. It's a gift and not something I earned. That's in '91. I soon walked into the wonderful world of Pentecostalism and quickly learned that I needed to get a firm foundation in what I believed. By Zoomer's standard, I'm a "0" when it comes to being a conservative. Yet, I do hold to key traditional views of Christianity. Unlike some people in my circle, I've no problem learning theology and learned to treat it, with a grain of salt. Do you know when I discovered "Calvinism" and the infamous TULIP? 2024. It just never came up on my radar. Now, I'm seeing it all over the place. If you're fimly rooted in the love of Christ Jesus and have a history of prayer, spending time in Scripture and a good local church then it's okay to look at such debate. However, I have to say the opposite for new or young Christians. Stay away from such debates for it will do more harm than good. The situation is made worse with some of these YT theologians who forget that their not just talking to mature believers. It's also reaching new Christians who are not equipped to deal with such issues.
Good points! Also, add the rules: "Never discuss theology in YT comments," and possibly "If a person says they are denomination X, don't assume they actually know the history and the theology "
pro tip for people considering catholiscisn or orthodoxy (as am i) DO NOT CALL YOURSELF ORTHODOX/CATHOLIC UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTISED AND CHRISMATED (also you have a point aboht most larpers being catholics or othodox we have to fix that)
I’m an agnostic only because I can’t decide which denomination I belong in, due to ADHD. Most denominations have good reasons for joining, and sound theologies. The only thing I am certain of is that those low-church, Baptist/Non-denominational and Evangelical churches are not for me.
@@CliffCardi But If you can't chose what denomination you want to be in, but you want to be in One It means you want to follow Christ right? And if you want to follow Christ, aren't you a Christian by definition?
@@plagueday5395 but what kind of Christian? just because you “follow Christ, it doesn’t mean you’re doing it right. For instance, take Marcion of Sinope, a 2nd century bishop and ship owner. He omitted everything Hebrew out of the New Testament and denied Christ had a human body. He called himself a Christian but what he preached would never be accepted by any denomination. Polycarp called Marcion “The Wolf of Pontus” and a son of the Devil.
you mention that you have presbetyrian heritage like thats relevant. My parents are both athiests 3 of my uncles are "Satanists" and the only christian in my familiy other than me is my grandmother. Yet i still found my way to Christ and i continue to pray for my them and love them. Heritage has nothing to do with it. LOVE your content BTW keep fighting the good fight bro🤝
14:08 - Has anyone been through this? Guys, I realized that I fit into this LARPER category, "Doctrine without Love". Since I converted (1 year ago) I have been delving deeper into the sacred scriptures, but instead of preaching the gospel, share my faith to others, I often just focus on apologetics and debate them, trying to convince them by arguments alone. But the problem is worse than that, in fact the reason for trying to convince people this way is because I don't consider God as a person, but rather as an idea to think about (and an ideia to inspire me to do good stuff, just like a liberal using christianity to do social justice, and as he said in the video, I do not treat Jesus as a person to know). I don't usually pray, but is because I don't think God would answer me, because I treat him as an idea. See it's like a dead end since I don't develop personal relationships because I don't pray and I don't pray because "God is not a person". I read the Bible, watch videos, read theology articles, looking for a rational argument to convince myself that God is indeed personal and not just an idea, but it doesn't seem to improve the situation, it's just as if I'm getting even more "intellectual" in the "God philosophy". I know that God is personal because the Bible says he is a person and I believe in the Bible rationally, but I don't act as if I actually believe it. It's as if I have two minds, because I believe 100% in the Bible but my "other mind" realizes that in fact I rationally believe in the Bible as if it were a science or a philosophy, purely intellectual. How to get out of this, has anyone been through this? Of course I will talk to my local pastor about this, but I just wanted to share and see if anyone has ever found themselves lost in this situation. Note: I converted from another religion that treats God in this exact same way, as an impersonal consciousness, maybe I'm just taking some time to recognize the true God and let go of old beliefs. Still, I'm intrigued by this, I'm grateful that this video pointed out this situation, because I didn't realize on my own that I was thinking and acting this way
As an Eastern Orthodox, I've seen a large influx of young (teens to 20 year olds) converting to our faith. I think it is amazing. I also see that these converts (some, not all) are very excited about joining our faith, and often like to talk about it on discord or social media. They see people like Kyle, Jay Dyer and David Erhan (amazing youtubers for Orthodoxy) and try to mimic them and "debate" with other people. I think the idea of them trying to show their faith is good, but some do this when they have been baptized last week. For this reason, I think the Orthodox take the hit for some of this, but it isn't anything we can really do except do what Zoomer has said in this video, leave that stuff to the older people who are more versed in this sort of thing. Excellent video Zoomer, keep them coming. I'd love to see a video explaining why you aren't Orthodox yet (lol) since you do seem to show interest in traditional Protestantism. Much love, God bless.
Yeah. The best people to argue for Orthodoxy would be first our own Church fathers lol and secondly senior people who actually go there and help. The choir singing, the kids bearing the cross and then the grandmas filling the Churches and taking all the seats.
I rejected Orthodoxy for a long time and remained Anglican. It wasn’t until I decided to go to a Vespers at an orthodox church near me when I really started looking into it and now I want to become Orthodox. I’m not even in the catechumen and I can’t go anywhere for now since I am too young but I really love Orthodoxy and not for LARP purposes, I think those people are cringe
@@cormundum_o I'm telling you not to have Orthodox beliefs, cuz it goes against the Bible and the early church. This video explains why they are NOT the church of the apostles: ruclips.net/video/_ytYX4dXpRo/видео.htmlsi=cKdrMzGlIUwC3HWA
And so your crusade against apostolic continue huh. Just because someone doesn’t attend an Orthodox Church doesn’t mean they’ve not been convinced of the legitimacy of our claim and are now learning all they can. Yes, of course they should attend a church, but often there aren’t any in their area or they are children and can’t get their parents to bring them. You constantly calling them LARPers is just cope in seeing a bunch of people recognize Orthodoxy as true.
Virgin criticizing people for LARPing vs Chad telling the LARPers how to take the next step and become a member of the church they wish they could be part of.
I mean you guys do have a problem with the Orthobro community. Even other Orthodox I talk to say so. If you want to evangelize to people do it in meaningful ways, instead of just making a "based" edit. Maybe it's just where I'm from, but I've seen literally zero real Orthodox presence in my community and State, but I've seen tons of Protestant and Catholic presence however. Even in Eastern Europe I've heard Orthodox laymen and clergy say the Orthodox Church doesn't do much and is losing members fast.
I follow Bible illustrated which is an Orthodox Channel. He advises not to listen to the online Orthodox Community as much and you should attend a local Orthodox church. Online Communities is not a substitute for Church and some online groups spread bad doctrine.
@@user-zi7gd9pn3lIt's true that we have an issue with the Orthobro community, no arguments there. It's a bunch of people realizing Orthodoxy is true, but coming from a Western, debate-fueled and legalism-fueled mindset. Also, the reason you don't see Orthodox presence is because Orthodoxy was oppressed until the last century. We were oppressed by Islam as soon as it showed up (no thanks to Catholics), then oppressed by communism. Orthodoxy only recently made it to the US, but is rapidly growing.
There are definately a lot of young men who have made being trad their fad. You can spot them a mile away too, so many of them have really warped and backwards views of Christianity and what tradition actually means. It bothers me, for two reasons both ultimately rooted in concern for peoples relationship with God, but born form two different lenses. The first lens being political, Fascism and other Socialist ideologies (Excl;uding Communism, at least until it reaches it's collapse stage and needs some means of retaining legitimacy) love wrapping themselves in a thin vinear of tradition, but are broadly movements which seek to appropriate the aesthetic of cultural tradition to promote authoritarian control. I.E. they have no interests in the traditions, or ideals of a culture beyond how they can be used as a means to shape that culture to their own ends. This could result in a form of "Far Right" coopting of Christian tradition, in the same vain as what the Progressives have been attempting to do with Progressive Christianity. Heresy at best, replacing God with the idea of god as a symbol of the state at worst, either way vapid mysticism will replace deep religiosity. The other is cultural that I lived thru the 2014-2018 period where many Millinials moved Rightward, as did many Zoomers. But around 2019, there was a shift back Leftwards. This is because many where rebelling against their predominantly Left Wing parents, but ultimately "grew out of it" they never really engaged with the arguments to understand. They where again only wrapping themselves in the trappings of conservatism to upset Leftists. However, many are now staunch leftists writing off all Conservative though as little more than the childish rebellion they experienced. The though of that occurring with Christianity is deeply troubling on a level that it occurring in the field of politics could never even come close to.
There are a lot of people who have never really been saved or had a relationship with the God of the bible. If they did, they wouldn't be trying so hard to find God through outward traditions of men.
Although i do attend church just not regularly because of work i found this convicting because I find myself engaging more online than actually doing research more myself. I dont debate nor will i because im humble enough to know i have a lot of growing to do before i can ever consider myself able to teach anyone anything. Thank your for your work. I needed this.
In undergrad there was an SDA larper. He watched this SDA channel and just parroted everything that guy said. Me and my friends, protestant and catholic, got together and just nuked his arguments until he stopped talking to us.
You might have put him off entirely. People come to God through all sorts of weird ways and phases. None of us get everything right, and this is especially true when someone has made their first baby steps towards a real faith. It's good to lovingly nudge people in the right direction, but what you've described sounds excessive. Please reach out to him again!
Hi Zoomer, thank you for making this video. I guess it's an important warning for me. I'm a Lutheran-style larper who reads a little theology + little to no Bible (I've read more Luther than Bible) and still likes to tell people what orthodox beliefs and a holy way of life are. I even go so far as "teaching" people about the nature of God even though I know so little about him 😓 Of course I haven't attended a church service in 1/2 year. I'm really just trying to craft myself an identity. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and I pray, too, but neither do I trust Him with my life nor do I take much time to learn about Him. I'm a hypocrite and I basically use God to impress others 😞 It has to do with my mental health issues, but I know that's not an excuse. Someone pray for me, please 😞
7:27 I don't really have a choice. I identify with Protestantism but I live in rural eastern Poland. There are only Catholic churches available and so I go to Catholic churches. This point is very American-centered.
@@onlinecommentator2616 I'm full blooded Polish from a Catholic family. It's just that Protestantism is more appealing to me than Roman Catholicism and after some time of being an atheist I returned to Christianity but with Protestant views on it. In Catholicism I was unable to have a relation with God but Protestantism allowed me this.
These are really great points. I will admit that I started my conversion to Catholicism by going to Traditional Latin Masses for the novelty (while also reading Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy lol), but here I am almost a year later and seriously considering the priesthood. The trad aesthetic is a really valuable tool for evangelization, and that is a hill I will die on, however disciplines and traditions are supposed to serve the purpose of reconverting your heart daily. I pray a rosary daily, and even though I get distracted sometimes, I am more likely to have a more organic conversation thereafter with God on the days that I do than on the days that I don't. The only caveat I would add is in the first point. I agree with studying the Scriptures to inform our theology, but sometimes debates just happen even if we don't plan for them, like one I had with a Jehova's Witness yesterday. I knew most of the Scriptural arguments for why Jesus is God, but when I'm at a loss in the moment, as a Catholic, I'm able to dogmatically defer to the authority of *the* Church's teaching authority if my own apologetics are insufficient. Of course, if you're a Protestant, we'll have to agree-to-disagree on that point. But basically, the Church says he is God, and that works for me if I'm not clever enough at the moment. That's literally what we're supposed to do as Catholics, anyway. If we want to know about Jesus, the Apostles and their immediate successors are a great place to start, and even if Protestants don't assent to the Church fathers in an ecclesial sense, pretty much all Christians agree that the Apostles and their immediate successors are a good place to start if you want to know about Jesus, and sometimes, depending on the specific theological topic, their writings and the creeds are clearer and easier to understand than the Scriptures themselves. That of course is no substitute for the Scriptures, but we need help interpreting them, and when I'm challenged on the spot, *the* Church's dogmas are what I will use if I'm not clever enough with Scripture at the moment. As for the part about love, I was really moved by Catholic Social Teachings during my formation, and I feel like I'm hammering the nails into Christ's hands everytime I don't help a homeless person. At the same time, I can't resist the temptation to make snarky comments in online debates. I do this not so much out of a lack of charity as much as wanting to impress people with wittiness and sophistry lol. That's still a problem, but it's not so much from a lack of charity.
As someone who wants to attend an Orthodox church (the reason I say that instead of calling myself an "orthodox christian" is because I'm not baptized yet), I agree with what you say about "people who identify as Orthodox yet haven't even attended a Liturgy." I see a lot of "Orthodox trad" people on the Internet but whenever I ask them if they've attended a Liturgy, they just say they're like twelve and they can't go to a church? I tell people about my want to attend a Liturgy, and overall just reading the Bible and I can't wait to be able to attend a Liturgy, and I'm glad I haven't fallen into the "using icons as profile pictures, having theological debates with no knowledge" stereotype for 'Orthodox' people on the internet.
i really like the analogy of denominations being like countries. it makes it seem less like "omg, which denomination is the right one?!" and more like "these are all just different ways of serving God." and that's the kind of message we need to support the unity of the Church.
Also, one strong appeal to Orthodox is its strong consistency. In a modern world with protestant churches always changing, some promoting gay marriage and other woke or liberalism agendas, its nice to be apart of something that is changeless and has consistently practiced the faith going on for nearly 2,000 years.
A big problem with orthodox churches in America is that, for complicated reasons. there is no American Orthodox Church. For historical reasons American Orthodox Christians fall under the Moscow Patriarchate. However the Moscow Patriarch granted autocephaly to American Orthodox churches, however however he can't really do that. The result is that there isn't any strong authority over the churchs. This has become a problem because a lot of the Orthodox people who founded churches in America were Immigrants, and have been allowed to use the church as a sort of cultural club, a link to the old country. As a result Orthodox Churches in America are sometimes not welcoming to those who don't share that ethnic link. This is further compounded by the lack of orthodox churches overall. Of the 380k churches in America only 2000 are Orthodox.
You have an amazing channel Redeemed Zoomer, coming from an old lady who is 36 🙏🙌😊 I always learn how to communicate theology from you (I've got Asperger's so it's hard to communicate for me at times). God bless you young man. Jesus is King!
I was born a Protestant but my family and I converted to Catholicism because my dad was already Catholic and my mom wanted to be one. I’ve noticed that the community I’m in, within my Catholic school at least, is much more serious about the religion than my old school and I’m very grateful for it. I also really appreciate my church community because all of my family members are in it
zoomer, I do not know if you read comments, but if you do I would really appreciate it if you made a video about how your dad became religious. I also come from a non-Christian family, and I would like to bring my family to the faith, but I do not know of anyway I could do that.
Hearing about a bunch of people trying to claim being a part of something through seeing one or two things alone makes me glad I'm growing up in a conservative-baptist household and go to church every Sunday with my great-grandparents.
When it comes to denominations, I still haven’t decide but when people ask I say “I’m considering southern Baptist and Presbyterian.” This is because I go to church twice a week (south Baptist church on Thursday nights and Presbyterian on Sundays). The PCA church I go to would probably be accused of a bit of “presbapterianism” by redeemed zoomer, but it’s not super Baptist compared to others I’ve seen. The SBC church I go to is a college ministry with people my age. While it’s run by SBC, they don’t really advertise that. I’m still not sure whether to believe in Baptist theology or Reformed theology, so I haven’t become a member of either despite attending both every week. Is that considered larping like number 4? I love both of my church communities, I don’t doubt that either are true Churches or anything like that, I’m just not sure which one I should belong to. I’m guilty of a bit of angrily arguing online and I should be more active at home with reading my Bible and praying consistently. I pray every day but not like I should if that makes sense, I read the Bible probably a couple times a week in some way but I seriously need to improve on consistency in that regard.
You are just visiting different churches precisely to form an opinion about which one suits you best. I only ask that, in parallel, you study the Bible (starting with the NT and then going to the OT, or alternating a chapter from the NT and OT) and make your decision based on what you found most Biblical. Another recommendation is that you not only attend worship, but participate in Bible study or catechumen classes because it is there that you will have more direct contact with the theological particularities of that denomination and will have the opportunity to ask questions. It also helps a lot to read the confessions of faith of the two churches.
I like watching these as an ex-Christian current atheist because theology is still fascinating to me, but I find it interesting that you don't think someone can call themselves a "Lutheran" or a "Presbyterian" simply by subscribing to those often specific belief systems. You can be an atheist simply by not believing in the supernatural. Growing up, my parents attended a variety of denominations, mostly in the Non-Denominational and Pentecostal variety, but I went to both Presbyterian and Southern Baptist schools growing up and never encountered that sentiment towards younger folks trying to find their spot. Most people of other denominations were open to "winning" someone over and would be eager to have you identify with them. Besides Catholics, that is. It's interesting to think that may have flipped since I was last in those circles over a decade ago.
The big thing is that denominations aren't belief systems. They are institutions that have belief systems. Many people do want to "win people over" to their denomination because they believe that their denomination's beliefs are correct, and they want those people to have correct beliefs and be part of a denomination that has correct beliefs, but the belief systems, while specific to the denominations, are not the same as the denominations. Well, mostly, anyway. Baptists are different, but even then, I think it's less a belief system and more a church system (a way of operating a local church) which comes with a pre-packaged set of theological beliefs and a system for clarifying and adding to those beliefs.
I think that the reason that Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy hold more appeal to Larpers is rather the more elaborate and mystically seeming Liturgy of these churches compared to contemporary Protestantism. Also exorcisms, because that makes us seem cool.
I was friends with a guy who was orthodox because "its based". He called my other friend racial slurs and when I confronted him and used biblical argumetns as to why that is wrong (Should be obvious) he blocked me😵💫 Glad God removed him from my life lol
As someone who was raised Catholic, it always feels a bit gross to see hyper online people (I won't name any names, but you probably know who I'm talking about) who were raised Evangelical Protestant and became Catholic because of the Tradition and Aesthetic but seem to almost approach it like another Protestant denomination that you can put on or take off like a shirt if you decide you don't like it. They have no real skin in the game as far as ensuring that the Catholic Church remains faithful to its creeds. They might be leaving acquaintances, or even friends, by leaving the Church, but they don't have to risk losing family over it. A lot of them move onto Orthodoxy (as if you don't have to invert your entire understanding of who and what God is to do that), and if that was how they treated Catholicism, I can't imagine Orthodoxy will be much better in their hands. Of course, we can't treat potential converts like that might be them. We can't know their hearts. Only God can. But, for them, Catholicism is an aesthetic. For me, Catholicism is my entire childhood and my entire family. If you plan to become Catholic, prepare to make it yours as well.
As someone who is currently investigating Orthodox theology i try to look to avoid this but i fail every once in a while. Im currently reading rock and sand to see how it compares to congergationalists ideas which i grew up in but have recently soured on.
This is a problem in all of the Christian groups which emphasize conservatism. A lot of people are acting in reaction to the negative direction our culture is heading and want to recover the past when times were less chaotic and meaning still existed. I don't blame them for this at all. But it can manifest in negative ways when taken to an extreme.
I think that what denomination you are isn’t super important in most cases. If that’s true, then why shouldn’t someone be comfortable attending a church of a different denomination than them? Seems perfectly reasonable to attend a church that you have subtle theological disagreements with while simultaneously using the denomination categories as short hand for explaining what your theological beliefs are
Part of the reason why social media is not my thing these days. You get a lot out of it by attending church weekly and actually going out there to serve your Christian brothers and sisters out in real life. That is something all Christians young and old should strive for.
#3 hit home 😂 I’ve spent the last 6 years not doing that and it’s been very difficult on friends that I stopped doing that. And I’m 40 😂 trying to tell them I need to be where I’m in agreement with their theology has been very difficult for all.
RZ mad that he’s been getting cooked for his weak arguments by orthodox Christian’s consistently. It’s all out of love brother we are tryna get you in the one true church.
I'm glad you brought up prayer too. It seems like it doesn't get talked about among American Evangelicals much, and prayer is thought of as sort of a wish fulfillment or it is treated as talking to an imaginary friend. At least that was my experience.
im sorry i dont know where to say this but im doing terrible, i dont even know who i am anymore, for context, i am a bisexual, but also christian, i believe that god loves me for who i am but i cant even see myself anymore, i wish i could have been just born normal, everyday i see people calling me sinful, an abomination, and i just cant take it anymore, i cant even get the feeling that god loves me, instead i feel like a failed god, and that im not worthy of salvation, but its not something i can change, i tried to hide it before but i just cant anymore, i just wish i never existed
God loves you, no matter what.Im not a therapist or a priest, but all I can say is put your faith in God. If your only reason for you feeling this way is your attraction to the same sex then you have nothing to worry about. I used to be in a similar place you are now, where every thought I had I believed was sinful
But I put my faith in God and that he loved me. And even though I had sinful thoughts, I didnt indulge them. And if I did sin I repented for my actions. God knows and loves you, and my best advice would be to talk to a priest
Surrender to Christ. That’s what we must all do. I must surrender my sinful desires to fornicate, as you must all do. Your identity must be Christ, not any form of sexual identity; straight/gay/bi etc. Read the Bible daily. Pray daily. Etc. Go to a good Bible preaching church. Meet with people your age that also love the Lord at church. You are not alone, do not isolate yourself. That’s how the enemy wants us to feel.
God loves you no matter what. same situation as you friend. For me my mind was warped by porn and sexual abuse to like things that are bad for me and go against God’s design for us. Just know that God loves you so much and He weeps with you when He sees how much you struggle. Surrender to Christ. Give up porn. 100% commit your life to Him. Even if that means getting rid of your smartphone and leaving friend circles, nothing is more important than your soul. Use his grace to help empower you to overcome your sexual desires and live a life of holiness. That’s what we are called to do. God bless friend. We struggle together. Put all your pain and suffering and passions on The Cross and devote yourself to God. ❤❤❤❤
Hi Redz, I understand your pain, being LGBT+ and christian is hard, I have been struggling with gender dysphoria and with the pain of feeling that your body is wrong, I did felt very anxious and scared those times but my strength was the love of Jesus. Romans (8:35-39): Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Take care of the lies of the deceiver, always remember that Jesus loves you. I found my real identity in Him, and hope you will transformed by the love of Jesus. May God bless you ❤🛐
"You can be saved with bad theology, but you can't be saved without a relationship with Jesus Christ."
Preach it, Zoomer!
what's the minimum i have to
do to get into heaven? i mean i don't really want to go there cos christians are horrid immoral
sinners to a man, but i don't want to burn either, so what the absolute least i can do to
get in? here must be a limit eh? and it would help so many lazy people like me who just want to
avoid hell, so what's the trick, what do i have to do to fool god into admission? cos it seems
to me people do an AWFUL lot of work when they just need to figure out a couple of things and
they can spend sunday constructively, instead being moaned at about how bad they are.
Professing themselves to be based, they became cringe.
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this is gold...
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Sorry but I am so gonna steal this. Forgive me Father!
Very real
A lot of young men today who identify as Christians or are considering Christianity, are under influence of Jordan Peterson's ideas about religion. It would be nice if you would share your thoughts on it. upvote so redeemed zoomer sees this comment
I used to listen to Jordan Peterson, but I stopped when I found he was in a dangerous place spiritually. It sounds just enough like Christianity and what we might want it to be, but it hasn't clicked for him yet. Until he professes belief in the Gospel, he may be more dangerous than helpful to listen to.
@@no1ofconsequence936 A lot of young men opened up to religion because of him, on the other hand a lot of his ideas about religion seem "funny" and it is very opaque. That's why i think it would be interesting material worth doing.
Jordan Peterson uses Carl Jung symbolism as the lens through which he sees religion (even Christianity). Basically, the events in the Bible don't have to be literally true, because the real truth is hidden within the story (or behind it, rather). It's all about the "real truth" the metaphorical story stands for.
Of course, this is a problem because the Bible treats most of its content like it happened historically (if you rule out Revelation).
Jordan Peterson is an excellent source for practical life advice/self-improvement, but I would get my theology elsewhere (like N.T. Wright).
@@OlekChmielewski , fair.
As a young Catholic convert, this is 100% true, and I see it all the time mostly online. This is something that many people my age who "convert" to Catholicism and especially Orthodoxy suffer with. They convert for all the wrong reasons because these religions are based, yet they never pray, never go to Church, and never interact with anyone else for the betterment of the Kingdom. and usually they'll grow out of their fad after 3 months once they see a "based" Muslim and then start the whole process again with Islam. All while never entering a Church.
Sad
As a Catholic revert, I was once in the same bus of larping and condensation. I hope that I will do better and embrace the Word of God in faith and love to share it with everyone else. Pray for me please 🙏
Converting to Islam just because it's "based" is the stupidest thing a human can achieve
@@VincentVu846 I just said a prayer. God bless you bro!
Yep
I am reading the Bible in a year. This should be a goal for all Christians.
It's great that you're in the Word. The time that you read in matters less than you reading the Bible. Frequency matters though. Even if it were just a chapter or two every day and really studying and meditating on the text (it turns out that you can finish in 3 years if you read one chapter a day). That is most important.
You can read the Bible without *reading* the Bible. Remember, this is God's special revelation and it shouldn't be taken lightly, like as if you are reading a textbook or a some sort of novel, and we need to be reading carefully amd with intention of getting to know who God is through His Words. Some of the Bible in a year plans have you reading 4-5 chapters a day, and I don't think that you can truly meditate on 5 chapters of Scripture in an hour or two.
I'm working on that too. Currently on week 23. My God bless you and keep working on it. Hope you finish it and come out with a greater understanding of His word.
I think the minimum goal is to read it regularly. Reading it in a year might be good progress but could be detrimental to absorbing what the Bible teaches. Remember, a person won't get everything the first time around. Something I remember when I think about progressing through the Bible is that I'm going to read it again right after I finish it, so I might as well be content where I am. I will read these verses a few years from now and have read them some years ago. I might find something new or remember something old. Better the Bible be a tool for spiritual growth than believe the number of chapters read equates to spiritual growth.
Me too
Agreed. I'm in Leviticus right now.
If you are an Orthodox catechumen, do not emulate those peers you see on the internet. Emulate Christ and lives of the church fathers. Otherwise you will never grow or become ready for true baptism - because when things get hard, and they will, you won't have the proper foundation to stand through them.
Just don't take the meme squad us too seriously
It's just a contemporary Modus Operandi of appealing to the mass audience through humour
Avoid online spaces generally. It is better to interact with russian grandmothers at Church than it is to spend time with strangers and americans larping as restorers of the byzantine empire
@@TheUniversalPrincessSt. Olga?
Orthodox catechumens are some of the most obnoxious and narcissistic people I’ve met (mostly on the internet).
Orthodox laity I’ve met in person are some of the nicest Christians I’ve met.
If you are an Orthodox catechumen, then get outta there quicksmart and join a descent protestant church ✝✝🤠
This is why in the Dutch reformed church we really push for young people to be catechized and then push for church membership. We need members who are dedicated to their faith and community, as well as be held accountable to the church.
Based Dutch Reformed
Do you live in the Netherlands?
I am Dutch too and in the Orthodox Church you have to be a catechumen for 3 years before you are baptised and accepted into the Church, just like Paul.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 As a Dutch Christian I can tell you there is nothing based about the Dutch reformed church. It is void of any tradition and almost everyone who grows up reformed, becomes an apostate. The north of our country used to be either calvinist or reformed., now there are practically 0 Christians left in the north because of the weak church. The only religious part of the country is the south, where 96% is Catholic and Orthodoxy is rapidly growing. Please don't try to spread calvinism. It is the reason behind the huge apostasy in the west. I used to be atheist, but I am now Orthodox. Our Church gains new converts every week, thank God.
@@s1q213there are definitely conservative Reformed churches in the Netherlands.
"if someone's in a North Korean labor camp, you could *maybe* excuse them from going to church"
lol
As orthodox christian, I think we must educate new members of our church so they really know what orthodoxy about, and don't be orthodox just because it's "based" or "chad"(even if it is)) but because their faith
Orthodox church isn't more based than any other bible preaching church.
@@nerychristianIm not a fan of the word based but I would argue that it is.
@@nerychristianbible alone is false
@@nerychristianliberal churches?
@nerychristian bro 95% of protestants don't even use the whole Bible so.
last Friday I went to a church for the first time in months. I've never felt better after this
In a nutshell, get yourself to a local church and be part of the community there.
This
Also pray, open your heart to God, love God above all else.
I think it also reflects a larger issue --- that _everything_ is an aesthetic and trend. Perhaps due to the desperation of wanting to be in a group.
Readers have the same problem. Academics, too. People care more about _looking like_ they participate in something, than actually participating in it.
Exactly bro. One cannot grow as a Christian without a strong foundation rooted in scripture.
If youre a protestant, that is. Scripture isnt the only thing in the faith, not for most christians.
@@kristof6472 Precisely for this reason I am Protestant. I just can't believe that what Gregory of Nazianzus wrote has more authority or importance than what God wrote through his apostles and prophets in the Bible LOL
@@pedroguimaraes6094 The oral teachings which were deemed trustable were put together by the catholic orthodox pre-schism church. Those not were not included. That is how the Bible came to be.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 God did not "write" the Bible.
@@kristof6472
He used the Apostles and His Prophets to write His Word, as Paul and Peter said:
1 Thessalonians 2:13: "And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers."
2 Peter 3:2: "That you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles"
The Scripture is sufficient to the Church and to equip Man for EVERY good work, as Paul said:
Timothy 3:16-7: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
"Christian as an aesthetic" that's a term I use a lot. I was once interested in dating this girl whom I worked with, however, though she acted nice and claimed to be a Christian and went to a bible study, she was really quite shallow, and often used her faith as a way to belittle everyone else. One of my other co-workers advised against me dating her, and even described her as a "Christian For The Aesthetic" and I'm glad that I had those wise voices in my life to lead me along the right path. Since then, I've become stronger in my faith, I've learned to look out for people like this. I've also become closer friends with a girl at my church who actually exemplifies the qualities of a Godly woman.
As for the men claiming to be Orthodox or Catholic just because its "trad and based" I'd say that that's just the Christian equivalent of the redpilled movement really, just like you said. They're just jumping on the hype train because it's different, despite not knowing what the Bible actually says. It's sorta like those teenage communists who only believe in communism because they heard some propaganda, and not because they've read the works of Marx. These kids are prone to changing their political beliefs the second they become exposed to another ideology. I see these Christian LARPers in the same light.
And for the 6th example, I used to be one of those people. I didn't know how to pray, and I didn't understand why I needed to. I used it as a "break glass in case of emergency" type of thing. But in the past 2 years I realized that I couldn't just say these things, but not have a personal relationship with God. Before bed, I like praying, reading my bible, and reading a good theological book. And often I'll pray in order to start my morning off right.
I'm glad you pointed this out. I think we need to point out these hypocrisies to become stronger as the Body of God.
In my experience, people who decorate their work areas with bible verses or crosses, are usually shallow.
@@nerychristian True, in my experience this is true of Christian Music, those people who make "super deep" mainstream worship songs that get played on Christian radio stations or at megachurches are often the people most likely to deconstruct. Meanwhile people who make less mainstream styles of Christian music like rock or metal are often the strongest Christians (Take, for example, John Cooper of Skillet) They're less willing to appease people or compromise just to appeal to the masses. And their songs more often touch on controversial social issues and even hypocrisy within the church that mainstream Christian artists would never write about.
It's like the pharisee praying loudly on the corner versus the tax collector praying silently and diligently.
my stepdad married my biological mom because she was very much having a 'christian aesthetic' when she was early 20's. this is the same women that had bastard two (2) kids with another man while she was married for just over a few years.
its why i believe that while faith is important, your actions better reflect your faith because as the bible says in James 2:19 even the demons have faith in God
@@sovietunion7643 Would you rather not have been born?
@@nerychristian no, i am glad to exist. but it messes you up in the head knowing you weren't truly wanted by your parents no matter how much they may do for you. its a weight only years of faith and learning of your spirit can lift.
We Christians who are involved in our local churches do need to work on our aesthetics as well. Masculine pursuits and physical fitness are good things a Christian should incorporate into their lives and would help build rapport with young men hungry for Godly manhood
Although true, being involved in church without aesthetics is far better than someone with aesthetics not using said aesthetics. Faith without works is dead
@@sherman1476Honestly it's rare to see that verse being used in context lol
Are think you are focusing on the wrong aesthetics. If by aesthetics you mean, always aiming for excellence in the preaching of the gospel, excellence in music and liturgy, beautification of the church building to create an atmosphere of reverence, and dressing modestly and being presentable- then I agree.
@@maxxiong Ikr, want it to make it clear that works don't get you to heaven lol
what does "masculinity" have to do with Christianity? Isn't Christianity openly against the age old concepts of the greedy carreer man who gets his social status by having sex with multiple women?
They change their denomination and doctrine depending on the edits they got on their fyp
You forgot to add: that this fucking based
Im saved because as a kid I was almost crushed to death by a lightpole, and it stop inches above me. It opened my eyes to his eyes and protection
A huge larping is when young people wear cross necklaces but aren’t even Christian at all
Pretty common these days. Even among those in same sex relationships, I've noticed
Not really, because they aren't Christians and don't claim to be. Usually it's pretty obvious when it's somebody wearing a crucifix or a rosary for the aesthetic
I wish more Christians would actually attend on Sundays, at least.
Pastor Bob will restore the trve apostolic faith
Yeah man, dont you know everyone else got it wrong? Pastor Bobs KJV church has no flaws though.
@@codywork-us7wu Pastor Bob IS LITTERALLY the pope. His sermons are so good that he's allowed to be the absolute authority on all Christian doctrine of course since he follows the Bible THAT well.
@@user-zi7gd9pn3l ?
I used to be very annoying, I was one of those guys who would argue with people just because they didn't believe in the same thing, I used to think what I was saying was right, but then I realized. 1. I was being a degenerate to everyone. And 2. I was flat out wrong half the time. But thanks to videos like this, I've learned to be a better person, and to stop arguing about such stupid things, and to stop shoving Jesus down people's throats.
And, looking back, I'm ashamed of myself, because I looked like one of those fake Christians.
I don't even know why I'm typing all of this though, nobody's probably going to read it all. But if you did, thanks :)
Also enough about my dumb life story. But you make really good videos. I'm gonna binge watch them later
Thanks for sharing. I think that's a part of growing in faith, of God making us mature in Him and giving us more of Himself - in your case (and my own in many ways) growing in humility. Not being steeped in shame, though initially I think a little bit of guilt is necessary to shock us out of certain patterns of behavior, but over time, humility takes on the sense of looking more to Christ than ourselves, thinking of ourselves less and more of God.
Very honest comment, thank you for your testimony. I feel as if I often slip into that phase of arguing with people at times, and I think I need to be more in check with how I interact with others so I do not seem condescending.
Do you like Bowling for Soup?
@@junothepeasant Thanks :)
@@ihiohoh2708 No, I've gotten asked this at least 3 times now lol
I've never understood why people just type "become orthodox". Surely it would be far better for them to write "become orthodox because (reasons they came closer to God in the orthodox church, how orthodoxy helped them grow their faith etc.)" No one is gonna become orthodox because someone typed "become orthodox" with no further explanation, it comes off as self righteous even if that wasn't the intention.
become orthodox
jk
repent ☦️
@@Rat_8868you don’t even go to an orthodox church
Become orthodox.
I became Orthodox because I needed the depth it offered me in comparison to my Baptist upbringing. "Jesus is my boyfriend" music and the Bible sans Deuterocanonical simply wasn't enough for me to live the practical Christian life I needed to. Some people live as saints upon crumbs, but I'm far worse than those people and needed the whole loaf, as it were.
(while on the topic of biblical canon, I'm EO not OO, and I'm curious to read an English translation of the Orthodox Tewahedo biblical canon, which is the largest of all traditional biblical canons. It's even split into broad and narrow versions of itself, and according to wikipedia is not known to exist as one published compilation. Unfortunately because of the book of enoch whenever I try to look into it I mostly get piles of western schizo new age stuff instead of ethiopian orthodox exegesis lol).
If one is truly Christian, denomination is secondary.
Catholic here. I think you couldn't be more right about people who basically are only Christians on the internet. I think it may be correlated with the problem of just society in general living their whole lives on the internet.
The other thing I'd say is that Catholicism and Orthodoxy and how you bring up the idea that they may not have as good of a "personal" relationship with God is that in some ways I think you're right and we should work on that, in some ways I think you're wrong, and in some ways I think you're right but it's actually a good thing. For instance, we see God as clearly above us - His Fatherhood is much greater than your dad's fatherhood, if you get what I'm saying. I think there should be some formality there. The other thing I'd say is that I think the problem of people rambling without any relationship with God is most prevalent in the very low-church Protestants who will be attacking Catholics all over RUclips comment sections talking about how they're not Christian for not accepting sola fide but meanwhile demonstrating almost no Christian charity in their discussions. It's a problem to be found all over.
I'm Protestant, and I admit this is true: "The other thing I'd say is that I think the problem of people rambling without any relationship with God is most prevalent in the very low-church Protestants who will be attacking Catholics all over RUclips comment sections talking about how they're not Christian for not accepting sola fide but meanwhile demonstrating almost no Christian charity in their discussions." We need to love each other and correct each other (meaning I appreciate Catholics correcting Protestants!) in _gentleness,_ the way you have. God bless, man
@@grapesofmath1539 Indeed. God bless you as well.
@@gunsgalore7571 Thanks, man ^-^
I don't consider myself Orthodox.
I look into it and see the good things they do. I am not Orthodox on the basis I haven't even become a catechumen.
I want to be Orthodox, but I know that I am not yet.
same brother. as a roman catholic I've been looking into Greek Orthodoxy a lot for the past few months
Come home! 🧡☦️🧡
@@πατριχορme 2 I’ll be looking into going to a orthodoxy church soon
I was chrismated into the Orthodox Church this January after about half a year of IRL catechesis (This is aside the point, but all of my close family happily attended my chrismation, and that was a great comfort to me :D ). Some priests have a year-long catechism, and the most hardcore patristic era style catechesis lasts three years! So, I can definitely say the Orthodox do their best to lead inquirers toward becoming genuine Christians. I'm sure you've seen Orthodox priests admonish LARPers online as well, "come and see" being the most straightforward adage.
Can’t call yourself orthodox without the priest knowing your name
We're all gonna make it brahs
👍
Young people are missing out a ton of happiness by just larping as christians. Going every sunday to mass and helping my church has been a source of happiness since the day I went back
Facts man I realized how much I was missing because I didn’t go to church for awhile
Based
100% agree, since going back to church I actually can't wait for sunday while before I dreaded it as the end of the weekend
Fr, helped me get through depression and suicidal crap. Having the truth and friends who care is very important.
Being religious for hedonistic purposes in literally any faith is disingenuous. I couldn't imagine being Buddhist and saying this kind of nonsense. Commitment > Happiness.
I am Christian and have been my entire life, but recently haven’t been going to Church recently this video has really made me realize I need to start going again. Very informative, thank you.
Larping in some cases could lead to be abused for actually evil groups to actively help them into doing sin too. A year ago a small church opened near my friends house he told me they we're just larpers as they abide to most of those features you exposed in the video, they never tought something could be wrong in it.
Until some day the church was completely surrounded by the Army and the national guard.
It turns out that just like that synagoge in NYC, below the church there was fully ventilated tunnel that crossed from México to the USA, and it was used by cartels to smuggle drugs and people between countries, all that while the belivers that went there never suspected anything because they never went further away than just larping.
There are so many Christians on Discord who aren't a member of a church and it drives me crazy
I'm an orthodox catechumen who came in contact with your channel through Kyle and I'm enjoying the genuineness of your content, larping needs to stop indeed.
I was finally able to go to church yesterday (mainly because I keep handicapping myself) and it was fun, they have a Bible study group on Wednesdays and we're even doing a food drive soon
Also joining server as Mac-Tire, same as my X account
Because I feel like it, I'm going to go over the points and see if I'm a cringe larper
1. Theological debating without the Bible. I don't really debate much, but I do occasionally ask other Christians on Discord about verses that sound strange. I am also trying my best to read at least a few chapters of the Bible per day.
2. "Trad" Christianity without church. I am personally very lucky to have a church less than a mile from where I live, which has not been completely ruined by the theological liberalism of my country's state church denomination. If anything I ought to be more grateful to God that the specific church has for the most part done its job. And yes I go to church as frequently as I can.
3. While I do of course attend a Lutheran church as a Lutheran, that is more because me identifying as a Lutheran comes from attending said church, plus there are things I agree with Presbyterians on instead of Lutherans (such as evolution), so I guess I am a little guilty in that regard.
4. I've from time to time thought about whether I should belong in another denomination, but despite that I've always identified as Protestant (and Lutheran once I learned the differences between the Protestant denominations), for as long as I was a Christian.
5. Okay yeah I am guilty of this, in the sense that I do a bad job of being a loving person.
6. Half guilty there. I do pray, but not as much as I could, which means I probably don't pray as much as I should.
7. I do go to church, as mentioned in points 2 and 3, but besides that, college, job between college semesters and the band I'm in, a lot of everything I do is internet related, so I'll say I'm half guilty here.
So 2 of 7 larping points. I'll have to work on those flaws.
I just don't understand why the Protestants feel the need to alienate us because they feel as if we're what role are we filling and playing I don't understand i just want to worship in peace I pray every day every Morning Monday evening and night i read my bible every night I read my prayer book every single day how am I dangerous? There aren't any orthodox churches near me I still attend church although it just so happens to be a Protestant one idk what these people feel like they need to crap on thoughs who are just trying to find there way through a fallen world
You should put your church attendance in the highest priority possible. Even on vacations try to look up online if there's a local church or anything. We get tourists on my church all the time, sometimes even on our weekday meetings.
Christianity is community just as much as it is personal. It's extremely important.
"And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching." - Heb 10:24-25
The Sacred Author put it right there along with love and just preceding that it talks about perseverance of the faith.
Worship God in community and lift each other up. This way YOU grow, your brothers and sisters grow, and Heaven descends on Earth just a little bit more. As God willed it.
May God give you the graces to grow in holiness. Pax tecum.
Agree whole heartedly here. I'm glad young men are finding the church, but we need depth of PRACTICE of the faith.
As an Eastern Orthodox, there ain’t no orthodox churches in my city(Shenzhen) I can only go to the churches in Hong Kong, It’s quite difficult.
There are Chinese Saints!
Respect and prayers for all Christians in China
If you’re claiming to be a Christian, you need to be going to a church. Doesn’t mean you agree with all they say if they sometimes spout crap (and they often do), but you still need to go. Where else can you get the sacraments? Also, you’ll probably find fellow Christian’s who you can interact with.
No two ways about it. It's right in the Ten Commandments.
What do you do if you're just a kid who can't really drive there though? (Totally asking for a friend by the way 😅)
@@BowlOSoup6661 If your parents won't drive then ask around at school for friends who go to Church and see who can take you.
If you're really serious, there's a way. Someone will probably pick you up. Unless it's far out of the way.
Find a way. If there's no way....don't sweat it.
I become Orthodox because of wrong reasons and stayed for god
God bless.
As a 13 year old orthodox from birght who read the bible i can only say: cool video, don't really like how in the firsts couple of minutes you target orthodoxy so much but sadly lots of "orthodox" people do stuff like that
As a Catholic, you are saved by faith
faith without works is dead
rare Catholic W
@@sheeniebeanie2597 Non nobis Domine
faith and works
To the exclusion of good works?
As an Evangelical myself, you made a good point. I do need to be speaking with our Heavenly Father more often than I do.
Deciding to abandon the idea of becoming Orthodox was an overall good idea. I can't afford to "larp" anymore. ✝️
You are wise. The fullness of the gospel exists in the Protestant churches. SOLA SOLA SOLA
@@redeemedzoomer6053protestants:“fullness of the gospel“
also protestants: *sparkle creed*
@@redeemedzoomer6053Prosperity Gospel?
Come home brothers
@@redeemedzoomer6053 who formed the cannon of scripture?
There are many who (young and old) are keen to tell others how to practice Christianity, but not many keen to show others how to be a Christian. Im always short of people who greet others at Church, vacuum the building, pray for others, help with the service sheets, read scripture, play music, sing loudly, turn up regularly, give encouragement to those serving…lets encourage people to practice Christianity in person…not via a keyboard. Actually it is not just from the keyboard, I have come across too many Street preachers …keen to tell people about Christianity…yet when I asked them what Church do they direct people? too sadly many don’t think about this, (especially out of town street preachers)…keen to make a noise…not that keen to disciple people longer than 5mins it seems. 😢
Just wanna say your content is a breath of fresh air. The theological debating without love point is something I've encountered often. It often comes across that people are more concerned with having the exact right doctrine than they are about loving God. (I'm painting with a broad brush here.) It seems that theological triage is completely out the window and every issue is do or die. I don't agree with my church on 100% of doctrine, but what keeps me there is the community. It's helped me learn what issues are salvation issues, fellowship issues, and very minor theological disagreements. Above all that, it's helped me learn how to theologically disagree with my brothers and sisters in Christ in a loving manner. Keep up the good work man. God bless.
Although different, I feel there's another type of LARPing that has been a thing in the United States, mainly in the rural south and mid-west, for a long time and that's the cultural Christians. People who go to church every Sunday, or most Sundays, and will tell you they are a Christian, but don't actually know God. They go to church because it's what you do in their culture, and to them that's all being a Christian is.
I'm from Appalachia, and that is definitely a thing here. People will tell you they're a Christian because they go to church, believe God exists, and vote Republican, but don't actually know Jesus.
12:30 moving to Japan and addopting their culture and values wouldn't make you japanese, being closely related to a japanese person would. What truely makes a person part a tribe is blood, the cultural habits of a tribe are the result the environment the tribe resides in and how they interact with the other tribes around them.
The idea that someone can just move to a different country and copy the behaviour of the natives and then be considered equal to the man who was born in the country, lived there all his life and can trace his family lineage back a millenium to the ancient tribes that the country used to be is false.
Thankfully we’re made equal in Christ Jesus. That is what defines us, not our ancestry or race or ethnicity.
I think he chose Japan on purpose. It wouldn't work with a country like Canada.
'salvation is by faith alone', proceeds to promote a works-based salvation
Conviction hits hard on the 5th point
Ok, on the other hand, larping can turn into the real deal. Certainly larping Satanists often turn into the real thing, and I think it can happen for Christians too. Just encourage them to take one step at a time to go from "based" to "based on the word of God", and overlook their cringe moments.
The thing you‘ve said about satanists is soooo true
The thing you‘ve said about satanists is soooo true
The thing you‘ve said about satanists is soooo true
personally i've found that the best thing for me was seeing the worst side of religion first growing up, having an bad reaction and becoming one of those edgy r/atheism types in highschool, and circling around out of that and finding my place in a better sort of middle ground, as it left me with no illusions of my faith being misguided nor just for show. larping is done with people who need direction for their faith, which is abused both by bad faith actors and people who focus too much on "just having faith" without worry about what faith actually means.
joining my small town's humble old church filled mostly with older people has been the best for me as its been slow and sure to rebranding my faith to be closer to what christ actually intended and not some cherry picked bible verse used to justify crappy actions.
I'd like to add one more to your list. "Get off the freakin secondary issue debate treadmill!" Here's what I'm talking about and it plays into what I may be doing on my own channel.
I was raised as a nominal Catholic and I eventually became a firm believer in Jesus. Yes, I am saved by what Jesus did for me on the Cross. It's a gift and not something I earned. That's in '91. I soon walked into the wonderful world of Pentecostalism and quickly learned that I needed to get a firm foundation in what I believed.
By Zoomer's standard, I'm a "0" when it comes to being a conservative. Yet, I do hold to key traditional views of Christianity. Unlike some people in my circle, I've no problem learning theology and learned to treat it, with a grain of salt.
Do you know when I discovered "Calvinism" and the infamous TULIP? 2024. It just never came up on my radar. Now, I'm seeing it all over the place. If you're fimly rooted in the love of Christ Jesus and have a history of prayer, spending time in Scripture and a good local church then it's okay to look at such debate. However, I have to say the opposite for new or young Christians. Stay away from such debates for it will do more harm than good.
The situation is made worse with some of these YT theologians who forget that their not just talking to mature believers. It's also reaching new Christians who are not equipped to deal with such issues.
Good points! Also, add the rules: "Never discuss theology in YT comments," and possibly "If a person says they are denomination X, don't assume they actually know the history and the theology "
Bro that outro music slapped, great video as always
pro tip for people considering catholiscisn or orthodoxy (as am i) DO NOT CALL YOURSELF ORTHODOX/CATHOLIC UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTISED AND CHRISMATED (also you have a point aboht most larpers being catholics or othodox we have to fix that)
doing this just to justifie him not liking coverts to catholic and orthodocs and banning them from his discord
I’m an agnostic only because I can’t decide which denomination I belong in, due to ADHD. Most denominations have good reasons for joining, and sound theologies. The only thing I am certain of is that those low-church, Baptist/Non-denominational and Evangelical churches are not for me.
If u can't decide what denomination to be in, why not just label urself as just a Christian
Just go to churches near you and don't fixate on denominations that much. Maybe you will find a church that suits you and you are able to stay there.
@@1_Alistair_1 “Christian” alone isn’t good enough. That implies I’m nondenominational which I don’t want to be associated.
@@CliffCardi But If you can't chose what denomination you want to be in, but you want to be in One It means you want to follow Christ right?
And if you want to follow Christ, aren't you a Christian by definition?
@@plagueday5395 but what kind of Christian? just because you “follow Christ, it doesn’t mean you’re doing it right.
For instance, take Marcion of Sinope, a 2nd century bishop and ship owner. He omitted everything Hebrew out of the New Testament and denied Christ had a human body. He called himself a Christian but what he preached would never be accepted by any denomination. Polycarp called Marcion “The Wolf of Pontus” and a son of the Devil.
you mention that you have presbetyrian heritage like thats relevant. My parents are both athiests 3 of my uncles are "Satanists" and the only christian in my familiy other than me is my grandmother. Yet i still found my way to Christ and i continue to pray for my them and love them. Heritage has nothing to do with it. LOVE your content BTW keep fighting the good fight bro🤝
14:08 - Has anyone been through this?
Guys, I realized that I fit into this LARPER category, "Doctrine without Love". Since I converted (1 year ago) I have been delving deeper into the sacred scriptures, but instead of preaching the gospel, share my faith to others, I often just focus on apologetics and debate them, trying to convince them by arguments alone. But the problem is worse than that, in fact the reason for trying to convince people this way is because I don't consider God as a person, but rather as an idea to think about (and an ideia to inspire me to do good stuff, just like a liberal using christianity to do social justice, and as he said in the video, I do not treat Jesus as a person to know).
I don't usually pray, but is because I don't think God would answer me, because I treat him as an idea. See it's like a dead end since I don't develop personal relationships because I don't pray and I don't pray because "God is not a person". I read the Bible, watch videos, read theology articles, looking for a rational argument to convince myself that God is indeed personal and not just an idea, but it doesn't seem to improve the situation, it's just as if I'm getting even more "intellectual" in the "God philosophy". I know that God is personal because the Bible says he is a person and I believe in the Bible rationally, but I don't act as if I actually believe it.
It's as if I have two minds, because I believe 100% in the Bible but my "other mind" realizes that in fact I rationally believe in the Bible as if it were a science or a philosophy, purely intellectual.
How to get out of this, has anyone been through this? Of course I will talk to my local pastor about this, but I just wanted to share and see if anyone has ever found themselves lost in this situation.
Note: I converted from another religion that treats God in this exact same way, as an impersonal consciousness, maybe I'm just taking some time to recognize the true God and let go of old beliefs. Still, I'm intrigued by this, I'm grateful that this video pointed out this situation, because I didn't realize on my own that I was thinking and acting this way
Nailed it, brother. I know too many people (even family members) who fit into these categories.
As an Eastern Orthodox, I've seen a large influx of young (teens to 20 year olds) converting to our faith. I think it is amazing. I also see that these converts (some, not all) are very excited about joining our faith, and often like to talk about it on discord or social media. They see people like Kyle, Jay Dyer and David Erhan (amazing youtubers for Orthodoxy) and try to mimic them and "debate" with other people. I think the idea of them trying to show their faith is good, but some do this when they have been baptized last week. For this reason, I think the Orthodox take the hit for some of this, but it isn't anything we can really do except do what Zoomer has said in this video, leave that stuff to the older people who are more versed in this sort of thing.
Excellent video Zoomer, keep them coming. I'd love to see a video explaining why you aren't Orthodox yet (lol) since you do seem to show interest in traditional Protestantism. Much love, God bless.
I have one! It’s called “why I’m not Orthodox”
Probably won’t convince you but I stand by it
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Wow fast response! I have seen it and Kyle made a video about it. Respectively, I hold my faith.
😹 I became Orthodox after reading History
@@TheUniversalPrincess May God bless you! ☦
Yeah. The best people to argue for Orthodoxy would be first our own Church fathers lol and secondly senior people who actually go there and help. The choir singing, the kids bearing the cross and then the grandmas filling the Churches and taking all the seats.
I rejected Orthodoxy for a long time and remained Anglican. It wasn’t until I decided to go to a Vespers at an orthodox church near me when I really started looking into it and now I want to become Orthodox. I’m not even in the catechumen and I can’t go anywhere for now since I am too young but I really love Orthodoxy and not for LARP purposes, I think those people are cringe
Stay Anglican
@@redeemedzoomer6053 But it’s like being a Baptist with completely Presbyterian beliefs. Would you then tell me to stay Baptist?
@@cormundum_o I'm telling you not to have Orthodox beliefs, cuz it goes against the Bible and the early church. This video explains why they are NOT the church of the apostles:
ruclips.net/video/_ytYX4dXpRo/видео.htmlsi=cKdrMzGlIUwC3HWA
@@Kauahdhdhd Lol, I wasn’t going to listen to him anyways. I’m thoroughly convinced of Orthodoxy and I’m trying to join the church as soon as I can
God bless you 🧡☦️🧡
Fallacies committed in this video:
False Dilemma
Hasty Generalization
Strawman
I cringed when reading your comment
@@milosniffer5293 Protestants don't actually have any real arguments so they just insult people instead LOL
And so your crusade against apostolic continue huh. Just because someone doesn’t attend an Orthodox Church doesn’t mean they’ve not been convinced of the legitimacy of our claim and are now learning all they can. Yes, of course they should attend a church, but often there aren’t any in their area or they are children and can’t get their parents to bring them.
You constantly calling them LARPers is just cope in seeing a bunch of people recognize Orthodoxy as true.
truth! but i have actually started attending a church and have been integrating with the community nicely.
Virgin criticizing people for LARPing vs Chad telling the LARPers how to take the next step and become a member of the church they wish they could be part of.
I mean you guys do have a problem with the Orthobro community. Even other Orthodox I talk to say so. If you want to evangelize to people do it in meaningful ways, instead of just making a "based" edit. Maybe it's just where I'm from, but I've seen literally zero real Orthodox presence in my community and State, but I've seen tons of Protestant and Catholic presence however. Even in Eastern Europe I've heard Orthodox laymen and clergy say the Orthodox Church doesn't do much and is losing members fast.
I follow Bible illustrated which is an Orthodox Channel. He advises not to listen to the online Orthodox Community as much and you should attend a local Orthodox church. Online Communities is not a substitute for Church and some online groups spread bad doctrine.
@@user-zi7gd9pn3lIt's true that we have an issue with the Orthobro community, no arguments there. It's a bunch of people realizing Orthodoxy is true, but coming from a Western, debate-fueled and legalism-fueled mindset. Also, the reason you don't see Orthodox presence is because Orthodoxy was oppressed until the last century. We were oppressed by Islam as soon as it showed up (no thanks to Catholics), then oppressed by communism. Orthodoxy only recently made it to the US, but is rapidly growing.
There are definately a lot of young men who have made being trad their fad. You can spot them a mile away too, so many of them have really warped and backwards views of Christianity and what tradition actually means.
It bothers me, for two reasons both ultimately rooted in concern for peoples relationship with God, but born form two different lenses. The first lens being political, Fascism and other Socialist ideologies (Excl;uding Communism, at least until it reaches it's collapse stage and needs some means of retaining legitimacy) love wrapping themselves in a thin vinear of tradition, but are broadly movements which seek to appropriate the aesthetic of cultural tradition to promote authoritarian control. I.E. they have no interests in the traditions, or ideals of a culture beyond how they can be used as a means to shape that culture to their own ends. This could result in a form of "Far Right" coopting of Christian tradition, in the same vain as what the Progressives have been attempting to do with Progressive Christianity. Heresy at best, replacing God with the idea of god as a symbol of the state at worst, either way vapid mysticism will replace deep religiosity.
The other is cultural that I lived thru the 2014-2018 period where many Millinials moved Rightward, as did many Zoomers. But around 2019, there was a shift back Leftwards. This is because many where rebelling against their predominantly Left Wing parents, but ultimately "grew out of it" they never really engaged with the arguments to understand. They where again only wrapping themselves in the trappings of conservatism to upset Leftists. However, many are now staunch leftists writing off all Conservative though as little more than the childish rebellion they experienced. The though of that occurring with Christianity is deeply troubling on a level that it occurring in the field of politics could never even come close to.
There are a lot of people who have never really been saved or had a relationship with the God of the bible. If they did, they wouldn't be trying so hard to find God through outward traditions of men.
Although i do attend church just not regularly because of work i found this convicting because I find myself engaging more online than actually doing research more myself. I dont debate nor will i because im humble enough to know i have a lot of growing to do before i can ever consider myself able to teach anyone anything. Thank your for your work. I needed this.
In undergrad there was an SDA larper. He watched this SDA channel and just parroted everything that guy said. Me and my friends, protestant and catholic, got together and just nuked his arguments until he stopped talking to us.
You might have put him off entirely. People come to God through all sorts of weird ways and phases. None of us get everything right, and this is especially true when someone has made their first baby steps towards a real faith. It's good to lovingly nudge people in the right direction, but what you've described sounds excessive. Please reach out to him again!
Hi Zoomer, thank you for making this video. I guess it's an important warning for me. I'm a Lutheran-style larper who reads a little theology + little to no Bible (I've read more Luther than Bible) and still likes to tell people what orthodox beliefs and a holy way of life are. I even go so far as "teaching" people about the nature of God even though I know so little about him 😓 Of course I haven't attended a church service in 1/2 year. I'm really just trying to craft myself an identity. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and I pray, too, but neither do I trust Him with my life nor do I take much time to learn about Him. I'm a hypocrite and I basically use God to impress others 😞 It has to do with my mental health issues, but I know that's not an excuse. Someone pray for me, please 😞
Praying for you, make sure you go to church!
7:27 I don't really have a choice. I identify with Protestantism but I live in rural eastern Poland. There are only Catholic churches available and so I go to Catholic churches. This point is very American-centered.
Obviously. He is addressing Americans (mostly)
Do you have German family or how come a Pole in the rural east is a Protestant?
@@onlinecommentator2616 I'm full blooded Polish from a Catholic family. It's just that Protestantism is more appealing to me than Roman Catholicism and after some time of being an atheist I returned to Christianity but with Protestant views on it. In Catholicism I was unable to have a relation with God but Protestantism allowed me this.
@@ermin2248 That's nice to hear
These are really great points. I will admit that I started my conversion to Catholicism by going to Traditional Latin Masses for the novelty (while also reading Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy lol), but here I am almost a year later and seriously considering the priesthood. The trad aesthetic is a really valuable tool for evangelization, and that is a hill I will die on, however disciplines and traditions are supposed to serve the purpose of reconverting your heart daily. I pray a rosary daily, and even though I get distracted sometimes, I am more likely to have a more organic conversation thereafter with God on the days that I do than on the days that I don't.
The only caveat I would add is in the first point. I agree with studying the Scriptures to inform our theology, but sometimes debates just happen even if we don't plan for them, like one I had with a Jehova's Witness yesterday. I knew most of the Scriptural arguments for why Jesus is God, but when I'm at a loss in the moment, as a Catholic, I'm able to dogmatically defer to the authority of *the* Church's teaching authority if my own apologetics are insufficient. Of course, if you're a Protestant, we'll have to agree-to-disagree on that point. But basically, the Church says he is God, and that works for me if I'm not clever enough at the moment. That's literally what we're supposed to do as Catholics, anyway.
If we want to know about Jesus, the Apostles and their immediate successors are a great place to start, and even if Protestants don't assent to the Church fathers in an ecclesial sense, pretty much all Christians agree that the Apostles and their immediate successors are a good place to start if you want to know about Jesus, and sometimes, depending on the specific theological topic, their writings and the creeds are clearer and easier to understand than the Scriptures themselves. That of course is no substitute for the Scriptures, but we need help interpreting them, and when I'm challenged on the spot, *the* Church's dogmas are what I will use if I'm not clever enough with Scripture at the moment.
As for the part about love, I was really moved by Catholic Social Teachings during my formation, and I feel like I'm hammering the nails into Christ's hands everytime I don't help a homeless person. At the same time, I can't resist the temptation to make snarky comments in online debates. I do this not so much out of a lack of charity as much as wanting to impress people with wittiness and sophistry lol. That's still a problem, but it's not so much from a lack of charity.
As someone who wants to attend an Orthodox church (the reason I say that instead of calling myself an "orthodox christian" is because I'm not baptized yet), I agree with what you say about "people who identify as Orthodox yet haven't even attended a Liturgy." I see a lot of "Orthodox trad" people on the Internet but whenever I ask them if they've attended a Liturgy, they just say they're like twelve and they can't go to a church? I tell people about my want to attend a Liturgy, and overall just reading the Bible and I can't wait to be able to attend a Liturgy, and I'm glad I haven't fallen into the "using icons as profile pictures, having theological debates with no knowledge" stereotype for 'Orthodox' people on the internet.
i really like the analogy of denominations being like countries. it makes it seem less like "omg, which denomination is the right one?!" and more like "these are all just different ways of serving God."
and that's the kind of message we need to support the unity of the Church.
Orthodoxy is not found online! 🧡☦️🧡
Also, one strong appeal to Orthodox is its strong consistency. In a modern world with protestant churches always changing, some promoting gay marriage and other woke or liberalism agendas, its nice to be apart of something that is changeless and has consistently practiced the faith going on for nearly 2,000 years.
A big problem with orthodox churches in America is that, for complicated reasons. there is no American Orthodox Church. For historical reasons American Orthodox Christians fall under the Moscow Patriarchate. However the Moscow Patriarch granted autocephaly to American Orthodox churches, however however he can't really do that. The result is that there isn't any strong authority over the churchs. This has become a problem because a lot of the Orthodox people who founded churches in America were Immigrants, and have been allowed to use the church as a sort of cultural club, a link to the old country. As a result Orthodox Churches in America are sometimes not welcoming to those who don't share that ethnic link. This is further compounded by the lack of orthodox churches overall. Of the 380k churches in America only 2000 are Orthodox.
I thought Larping was a type of singing excersise😂
You thinking about band class
It’s more common among younger Catholics that we’re all well catechized. The last generation didn’t really have much of it.
Man you really had to smack me with conviction on point 5
You have an amazing channel Redeemed Zoomer, coming from an old lady who is 36 🙏🙌😊 I always learn how to communicate theology from you (I've got Asperger's so it's hard to communicate for me at times).
God bless you young man. Jesus is King!
I was born a Protestant but my family and I converted to Catholicism because my dad was already Catholic and my mom wanted to be one. I’ve noticed that the community I’m in, within my Catholic school at least, is much more serious about the religion than my old school and I’m very grateful for it.
I also really appreciate my church community because all of my family members are in it
zoomer, I do not know if you read comments, but if you do I would really appreciate it if you made a video about how your dad became religious. I also come from a non-Christian family, and I would like to bring my family to the faith, but I do not know of anyway I could do that.
Hearing about a bunch of people trying to claim being a part of something through seeing one or two things alone makes me glad I'm growing up in a conservative-baptist household and go to church every Sunday with my great-grandparents.
Nice video! Very humbling. I had to look myself in the mirror because a few things you said really hit home. God bless you my brother!
When it comes to denominations, I still haven’t decide but when people ask I say “I’m considering southern Baptist and Presbyterian.” This is because I go to church twice a week (south Baptist church on Thursday nights and Presbyterian on Sundays). The PCA church I go to would probably be accused of a bit of “presbapterianism” by redeemed zoomer, but it’s not super Baptist compared to others I’ve seen. The SBC church I go to is a college ministry with people my age. While it’s run by SBC, they don’t really advertise that. I’m still not sure whether to believe in Baptist theology or Reformed theology, so I haven’t become a member of either despite attending both every week. Is that considered larping like number 4? I love both of my church communities, I don’t doubt that either are true Churches or anything like that, I’m just not sure which one I should belong to. I’m guilty of a bit of angrily arguing online and I should be more active at home with reading my Bible and praying consistently. I pray every day but not like I should if that makes sense, I read the Bible probably a couple times a week in some way but I seriously need to improve on consistency in that regard.
You are just visiting different churches precisely to form an opinion about which one suits you best. I only ask that, in parallel, you study the Bible (starting with the NT and then going to the OT, or alternating a chapter from the NT and OT) and make your decision based on what you found most Biblical. Another recommendation is that you not only attend worship, but participate in Bible study or catechumen classes because it is there that you will have more direct contact with the theological particularities of that denomination and will have the opportunity to ask questions. It also helps a lot to read the confessions of faith of the two churches.
I like watching these as an ex-Christian current atheist because theology is still fascinating to me, but I find it interesting that you don't think someone can call themselves a "Lutheran" or a "Presbyterian" simply by subscribing to those often specific belief systems. You can be an atheist simply by not believing in the supernatural. Growing up, my parents attended a variety of denominations, mostly in the Non-Denominational and Pentecostal variety, but I went to both Presbyterian and Southern Baptist schools growing up and never encountered that sentiment towards younger folks trying to find their spot. Most people of other denominations were open to "winning" someone over and would be eager to have you identify with them. Besides Catholics, that is. It's interesting to think that may have flipped since I was last in those circles over a decade ago.
The big thing is that denominations aren't belief systems. They are institutions that have belief systems. Many people do want to "win people over" to their denomination because they believe that their denomination's beliefs are correct, and they want those people to have correct beliefs and be part of a denomination that has correct beliefs, but the belief systems, while specific to the denominations, are not the same as the denominations.
Well, mostly, anyway. Baptists are different, but even then, I think it's less a belief system and more a church system (a way of operating a local church) which comes with a pre-packaged set of theological beliefs and a system for clarifying and adding to those beliefs.
Good and fair comments, brother. I appreciate the humility with which you presented this. You did better than I might have!
"15 year olds, new converts to Christianity."
Personal attack. 💀
I think that the reason that Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy hold more appeal to Larpers is rather the more elaborate and mystically seeming Liturgy of these churches compared to contemporary Protestantism. Also exorcisms, because that makes us seem cool.
I was friends with a guy who was orthodox because "its based". He called my other friend racial slurs and when I confronted him and used biblical argumetns as to why that is wrong (Should be obvious) he blocked me😵💫 Glad God removed him from my life lol
As someone who was raised Catholic, it always feels a bit gross to see hyper online people (I won't name any names, but you probably know who I'm talking about) who were raised Evangelical Protestant and became Catholic because of the Tradition and Aesthetic but seem to almost approach it like another Protestant denomination that you can put on or take off like a shirt if you decide you don't like it. They have no real skin in the game as far as ensuring that the Catholic Church remains faithful to its creeds. They might be leaving acquaintances, or even friends, by leaving the Church, but they don't have to risk losing family over it. A lot of them move onto Orthodoxy (as if you don't have to invert your entire understanding of who and what God is to do that), and if that was how they treated Catholicism, I can't imagine Orthodoxy will be much better in their hands.
Of course, we can't treat potential converts like that might be them. We can't know their hearts. Only God can. But, for them, Catholicism is an aesthetic. For me, Catholicism is my entire childhood and my entire family. If you plan to become Catholic, prepare to make it yours as well.
14:20 I don’t believe I’m LARPing, but this is one thing I struggle with. I always enjoy the content!
As someone who is currently investigating Orthodox theology i try to look to avoid this but i fail every once in a while. Im currently reading rock and sand to see how it compares to congergationalists ideas which i grew up in but have recently soured on.
God bless you 🧡☦️🧡
Praise to God for your guidance. ✝☦
This is a problem in all of the Christian groups which emphasize conservatism. A lot of people are acting in reaction to the negative direction our culture is heading and want to recover the past when times were less chaotic and meaning still existed. I don't blame them for this at all. But it can manifest in negative ways when taken to an extreme.
I think that what denomination you are isn’t super important in most cases. If that’s true, then why shouldn’t someone be comfortable attending a church of a different denomination than them? Seems perfectly reasonable to attend a church that you have subtle theological disagreements with while simultaneously using the denomination categories as short hand for explaining what your theological beliefs are
I love this channel, I'm so glad it exists. Praying that you stay strong in Christ, Brother.
Part of the reason why social media is not my thing these days. You get a lot out of it by attending church weekly and actually going out there to serve your Christian brothers and sisters out in real life. That is something all Christians young and old should strive for.
#3 hit home 😂 I’ve spent the last 6 years not doing that and it’s been very difficult on friends that I stopped doing that. And I’m 40 😂 trying to tell them I need to be where I’m in agreement with their theology has been very difficult for all.
“If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.”
James 1:26
RZ mad that he’s been getting cooked for his weak arguments by orthodox Christian’s consistently. It’s all out of love brother we are tryna get you in the one true church.
I'm glad you brought up prayer too. It seems like it doesn't get talked about among American Evangelicals much, and prayer is thought of as sort of a wish fulfillment or it is treated as talking to an imaginary friend. At least that was my experience.
im sorry i dont know where to say this but im doing terrible, i dont even know who i am anymore, for context, i am a bisexual, but also christian, i believe that god loves me for who i am but i cant even see myself anymore, i wish i could have been just born normal, everyday i see people calling me sinful, an abomination, and i just cant take it anymore, i cant even get the feeling that god loves me, instead i feel like a failed god, and that im not worthy of salvation, but its not something i can change, i tried to hide it before but i just cant anymore, i just wish i never existed
God loves you, no matter what.Im not a therapist or a priest, but all I can say is put your faith in God. If your only reason for you feeling this way is your attraction to the same sex then you have nothing to worry about. I used to be in a similar place you are now, where every thought I had I believed was sinful
But I put my faith in God and that he loved me. And even though I had sinful thoughts, I didnt indulge them. And if I did sin I repented for my actions. God knows and loves you, and my best advice would be to talk to a priest
Surrender to Christ. That’s what we must all do. I must surrender my sinful desires to fornicate, as you must all do. Your identity must be Christ, not any form of sexual identity; straight/gay/bi etc. Read the Bible daily. Pray daily. Etc. Go to a good Bible preaching church. Meet with people your age that also love the Lord at church. You are not alone, do not isolate yourself. That’s how the enemy wants us to feel.
God loves you no matter what. same situation as you friend. For me my mind was warped by porn and sexual abuse to like things that are bad for me and go against God’s design for us. Just know that God loves you so much and He weeps with you when He sees how much you struggle. Surrender to Christ. Give up porn. 100% commit your life to Him. Even if that means getting rid of your smartphone and leaving friend circles, nothing is more important than your soul. Use his grace to help empower you to overcome your sexual desires and live a life of holiness. That’s what we are called to do. God bless friend. We struggle together. Put all your pain and suffering and passions on The Cross and devote yourself to God. ❤❤❤❤
Hi Redz, I understand your pain, being LGBT+ and christian is hard, I have been struggling with gender dysphoria and with the pain of feeling that your body is wrong, I did felt very anxious and scared those times but my strength was the love of Jesus. Romans (8:35-39): Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Take care of the lies of the deceiver, always remember that Jesus loves you. I found my real identity in Him, and hope you will transformed by the love of Jesus. May God bless you ❤🛐