i agree and as a catholic I also think we should learn more about Protestants because a lot of Catholics think just think that there is Catholics and “Christian’s” and I think we should remove that label
@@redeemedzoomer6053 These videos are amazing man. I personally am Catholic but I firmly believe that it doesn't matter what denomination you fall into, as long as you believe in the core tenants of Christianity, the Trinity, the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and follow the tenants of the Nicene Creed, you are saved. I claim to be Catholic but I am not sure if there is a better denomination that I would fall into as I do not believe in the infallibility of the papacy or in the church itself as a system run by man will always be subject to sin and corruption; however, I do believe in most other fundamentals of Catholicism and am curious as to your other disagreements with Catholicism.
You are basically the only Protestant who’s content I enjoy and can stand to actually listen to. I was raised as Catholic since birth and I’ve learned a lot about the other denominations here, and unlike many of them you actually know what you’re talking about and have some respect for us.
@@lifewasgiventous1614 I just checked out some of his stuff and subscribed, he does seem like an intelligent and genuine guy. I don’t mind hearing criticism of Catholicism, it’s just that most Protestants I’ve seen on here don’t approach it with any respect and also don’t seem to actually know much about it. They just repeat the same talking points said in every ignorant 10 minute RUclips video. My family is almost all Catholic but one of my grandmothers was Protestant so I always had respect for them. Thanks for the rec!
@☦️purgatoire Of course, there is going to be animosity from people in all camps regarding just about anything, so it comes to me as no surprise when it's found in religion.. I've seen ignorance in both camps...catholics generally tend to brow beat, and when it gets worse, they will call you a heretic, and so on, protestants can be ignorantly stubborn to budge on anything and many tend to have a minimal understanding of church history even their own protestant roots. I love gavins Channel because he is extremely friendly and a well-read scholar on church history who genuinely seems to want peace among the denominations. Over the years, I have found the challenge is often to remain hopeful and charitable despite the sheer amount of ignorance from all sides.
As a Catholic, I'm using this channel to teach my son about Christianity. It's refreshing to not be dismissed as a cultist or a Mary or Pope worshipper (I've been accused of that by some Born Agains, but of course it's not true) by this content.
I'm hoping to join the Faith and started praying the Rosary with my family everyday. It's literally my favorite thing to do now. You sit around thinking about Jesus for 20 mins or so. What is better than that?
I converted to catholicism after being disillusioned by the mainline protestant churches (formerly Presbyterian). I have no regrets about my decision and I've been learning more and more about catholic theology.
I am a Catholic, and I must tell you that you and your channel have and has really helped me to grow and solidify in my faith. I often struggle with my beliefs, and I often find that your videos help to bring me back to my Christian and Catholic identity. For that, I thank you and wish you all the best my brother in Christ! Godspeed!
As a (Southern) Baptist, I always try and push back against some of those in my denomination who say Catholics aren't Christian. I think that not only is it not true, but it's extremely hurtful and further divides the Church.
It is true. To be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ. Catholics serve way more than 1 master (Mary, the saints, the pope, I can keep going) and they add to the scripture with the Apocryphal books and other passages and REMOVE verses on predestination. Catholicism is a heresy and not true 100%. Of course, if they convert and leave Catholicism and believe the truth about the Bible, then they can become a born from above saved Christian.
I love listening to a strong Christian talking about deep theology and the authority of the Church while reading a Minecraft chat talking about Better Call Saul and circumcision.
In a weird way, I really want to be Catholic. I love the culture, the unity that Catholics have all around the world, I like the idea of letting the Church make decisions on big issues for me so I don't have to research it myself and love the idea of saints and the venerating of Mary. However, I just can't bring myself to believe in their doctrines, like Purgatory and the perpetual virginity of Mary- though of course, I am yet to do in-depth research on it. I believe that purgatory would be made more clear by Jesus if it was real, But in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins were either allowed into the celebration or blocked from entering it with no middle ground. This seems to be the case with many of His parables (Catholics feel free to correct me as I want to learn both sides). I have also been to Rome and the Vatican which are both truly beautiful and culturally rich places. Protestant nations don't seem to have the same zeal for God, it seems. The whole issue with all the protestant denominations gets to me though. Granted, many differences are incredibly minor and irrelevant honestly, but the fractures would be avoided if we were to be unified under one Church. I feel really drawn to Catholicism, but cannot be fully convinced that it is right either. May God guide us all to the truth. Love your videos!
Me and you both brother. We are fighting the same battle. Half of my family is Catholic and the other half are Protestant/Baptists. I love them both equally but as of right now I’m more Baptist than anything else. A lot about Catholicism has me thinking about turning into a Catholic but some of the traditions and biblical ideologies stop me from doing so. Hope we get the answers we need. God bless!
Personally, I don't believe in purgatory and don't think that the perpetual virginity of Mary is something crucial in my daily life with Christ. I focus on Jesus Christ alone because He clearly said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6) and that we need a relationship with Jesus to see God. Heaven is God's kingdom and for God to know us, we must make ourselves know to Him by having a relationship with His Son Jesus Christ and obeying His Words found in the Bible. I think some of the extra-biblical doctrines or traditions won't jeopardize your salvation if your heart truly desires Christ and obedience to Him.
Its a common misunderstanding that purgatory is a middle ground in Catholicism between heaven and hell, but purgatory is actually a process to get into heaven, if you get to purgatory, you're getting into heaven. Purgatory is actually described in the Bible as purifying fire the soul must go through first, if you search for the Bible quotes for it there's plenty
@@jowar9958I will have a look then. I did know that purgatory was a place that cleanses any remaining sin from a believer before they enter Heaven, but no para les from what I have read seem to allude to such a place. Only that people are either instantly in or out. That id what I have gathered so far, at least
As a Protestant (Evangelical) living in the the one of the first Christian nations in Southeast* Asia (thanks to Catholicism), I have respect and love for my Catholic brethren. Edit: Asia to Southeast Asia to include other Asian countries Edit 2: Check below for the corrections
@@chillmemes5865 Oh Im sorry, I guess I meant to say Southeast Asia. In elementary and highschool, we were usually taught that-- Possibly because we usually see Asians within the stereotypical ethnicities and backgrounds. I think it was also a way we branded ourselves in history so the phrase stuck.
As a Catholic, I have a few retorts. 1. Early Christians most certainly understood the papacy. I'm a little tired of protestant retconning of Early Church/Catholic history, because the early church was most definitely Catholic. Peter, - with the authority Christ gave him to loose and bind on heaven and earth, to forgive sins, and to cast out demons - ordained bishops, such as the patriarch of Antioch, and many priests were ordained by the apostles. Peter then appointed St. Linus as his successor, St. Linus was succeeded by St. Anacletus, and so on. Also, early Christians and the church fathers believed in the full presence of Christ in the eucharist, something which many protestants reject. And "sola scriptura" was something made up 500 years ago, and ironically has no biblical basis. The apostles, the first members of the church, wrote scripture, and the later church collected it and sifted out uninspired scripture. The apostles have authority, not their holy testimonies which are the evidence of that. 2. The Catholic Church, through its leadership, can make changes to practices, or explore/elaborate established beliefs, but to say Catholics "change the rules" and pretend they don't is somewhat disingenuous. Catholic Christians have had many councils to discuss and establish what is and isn't true, not to try and change the belief of what is true. The leader of the church, as a successor to Peter, can also command Christians to celebrate in a certain way, or to codify a certain truth. This isn't just Catholics making stuff up. 3. There is a one true Church, and it can't just be everyone who claims to be a Christian church. Different churches have different dogmas and beliefs, even if they're similar. The body of Christ, the means of salvation, cannot uphold both truth and lies. There is only one truth, and the kingdom of God is a bastion of truth. Anyway, I love your content, and I wish more people would watch your videos, because they really inspire a lot of people to look into the faith!
@@redeemedzoomer6053 you know Orthodox and Catholics both say that they were one church until the schism, right? that's not the right question to be asking
@@redeemedzoomer6053 The orthodox removed themselves from the original church when they decided to abandon the papacy for their own ways, the papacy was well established by the point of mutual excommunication, even if the orthodox tried to downplay it as "first among equals". Also, just because someone says something doesn't make it true. Truth is truth.
the other "why i'm not" videos are like 30+ minutes, this one is not even 7 if you consider his rambles, So yes, Zoomer is weeks away from converting to the one true church
Catholic here and convert from evangelical protestantism. Love your video's man. I'd argue that the historical understanding of the Eucharist and its role in salvation played a much bigger role in my conversion. The church fathers leave very little room for a protestant view of communion. Anyways, keep up the good work and hope to see you in Rome.
I agree. I am WELS Lutheran and we believe it IS Christs body and blood. A lot of proteststants will ignore this or attempt to logic and humanize their way out of this blessing.
as a protestant Ive always had more respect for the quiet worship of orthobros compared to the carnival bombardment so many megachurches have become. a place of worship should never look or feel like a mall.
About "ugly" protestant churches: When Brazil became an Empire, in the 1800's, Catholicism was the official religion. However, due to friendship with the United Kingdom, Protestant immigrants could continue with their faith, following these rules: - It was not allowed to evangelize others - Public worship was not allowed - It was not allowed to build churches, as they could be confused as catholic churches. So, in Brazil it isn't very common to have traditional church buildings, even if there are historical denominations. It has become a form of distinction, and it is cultural in our region.
Eu achava que as igrejas feias dos evangélicos era por causa da maioria dos protestantes daqui serem das neopentecostais mais modernas, não sabia que era tão profundo.
@American Mind do not. Orthodoxy is a schismatic sect. They split from Rome in 1054 mainly due to their rejection of the authority of the bishop of Rome. They accept his primacy but reject his jurisdiction over the entire Christian church when scripture wisdom of church fathers and the councils canons prove that the bishop of Rome had complete jurisdiction over every governing apostolic seat (Antioch Jerusalem Alexandria and Constantinople). If you seek the true church of Christ look to the catholic church
@@jeremyphilippe5122 I converted to catholicism last year. I started off distancing myself from Protestantism due to growing disillusioned with my former denomination of Presbyterianism. I can definitely see where you're coming from since mainline protestant churches have been growing very wack.
Saying that Papal Infallibility was only really a thing since Vatican I is kinda true, but it's also kinda wrong. Yes, the dogma and doctrine of Papal Infallibility was added at Vatican I which was 1869-1870, but practically speaking Papal Infallibility was exercised semi-official by Popes ever since the late middle ages. Another point is the clarification of Papal Infallibility at Vatican II, which is not really a correction, rather a continuation of the debate at Vatican I as Vatican I was interrupted by the Franco-Prussian War and thus the debates and clarifications of Papal Infallibility were cut short.
You are the only Protestant youtuber i frequently watch since you genuinely know what you're talking about and you don't accuse us Catholics of idolatry and Saint/Mary worship every 10 seconds like with some i had to interact with tend to do. Love your videos!
The biggest differences I'd say is 'idol veneration' and 'Mary veneration' and 'apostolic succession' 'and 'magisterium' and that the 'pope' just made a new global climate '10 commandments' while on a trip with other nutcases to Mt. Sinai These are MAJOR differences.
As a subscriber of yours, and as someone who converted to Christianity about this year and is currently considering catholicism(and already praying to the Virgin Mary), I really like your videos. I have many reasons to believe that catholicism is right(for example, the versicle when Jesus gives the Keys to Peter), but of course, I might be wrong. It's very hard to know for myself which denomination is right, since there are many arguments and counterarguments for each position, so it's hard to know the truth when there are so many opposite views. So, I just pray to God that, If I am not following the right path, if catholicism is wrong, then that the Lord get me out of the wrong path. About the Scripture thing, I have a question for you: Why do you believe that the Scripture has more authority than Church Tradition and the early church fathers, considering that the Bible itself was compiled by the church fathers?
The thing is, if you need the church to be there then the interpretation issue can be pushed back one level. How do you know if the Catholic Church is actually infallible if the scriptures, or anyone else, don't clearly state it? Can't you just interpret the words of the Catholic Church however you want? Scripture testifies itself to be the Word of God. It's undeniable. Protestants argue it's the only INFALLIBLE rule of faith. Protestants generally say that if the church makes a mistake then it's not binding and the scripture is the proper way to address it. If you look at the early councils, then you see that arguments aren't made on the basis of church authority. Rather they cite scripture. I think you should look at Gavin Ortlund's videos. I can't make a full essay on Catholicism on a RUclips comment. Especially since I'm not nearly as qualified as actual theologians. Gavin makes a good case for Protestantism without knocking on Catholics personally. There's a good case to be made for Protestantism historically and biblically. Don't just look at pop level arguments in the same way a lot of atheists do.
as a Catholic, just a quick mention to *not* pray to Mary or the Saints or angels etc. you pray to God and God alone. we honor Mary and ask her to pray for us, not pray to her! praying the rosary and asking Mary to pray for us, on the other hand, are more than welcome!
@@b0rnless42 It does matter, and it matters a lot. But if you mean to say that being Christian is the most important thing, you're certainly right. Whether or not you should baptize your babies for their salvation is nothing in comparison to whether you should raise them to love the Lord or not.
Glad that Prots and Caths can finally have some good talks with each other. Hate seeing strawmanning and prot slander memes on Social media because it just leaves just an empty void of conversation between the two
I don't know about setting the peter/pope issue as the main problem. I see Justification via by Grace through faith in Christ alone being the main issue. we can't add to our justification righteousness via our works.
Where does the Bible say you are saved by faith alone? Only place in the Bible I could find the words “faith” and “alone” in the same sentence is in James where it explicitly teaches that we are not saved by faith alone.
@@Justin-yn5pyin the book of James in which it says "faith without works is dead" oke so: The works there is the *fruit* or evidence that you have been saved which comes out naturally it happens *after* conversion Its basically like Cain and Abel They both offered sacrifices to God -Abel had a relationship with God and gave Him his best sacrifices as the fruit of it. And God is pleased with his fruit -Cain did not have a relationship with God and as a result, he offered unwholeheartedly. And in the end (it gets really messy) Hopefully Im not making offense I was confused before by the verse until I did some cross context
@@_______9427 James 2:24 literally says you are not saved by faith alone. Also if faith without works is dead then that means merely believing doesn’t guarantee salvation. I agree there is no specific amount of works or anything like that can save us, but we just abide in Christ to increase our justification. It’s a process not a one time thing
@@Justin-yn5py I agree that it is a process and faith is like a muscle we should exercise. Heb 11:1 can give the definition of faith But book of James does not talk about the salvation of man: James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (There is no statement that salvation needed works) And there is also in the Catholic Bible itself that states that: Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and it is not from you; it is a gift from God; it is not from works, so no one may boast" After believing and repenting that is where the Spirit enables us to do good works (fruits of Holy Spirit) in which we havent done before(book of Corinthians) Thats is a good argument tho its quute interesting
Papal Infallibility means that the Pope is protected from error when he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals (CCC 891). This does not mean that he is impeccable (incapable of sin) or inerrant (incapable of error).
Sorry, what does that even mean. It just sounds like fancy mental gymnastics 🤸 can he err or not? If he can't, you can't really say he's human and in need of God.
@@mozphet3030Basically and I need to do more research on this, even as a Catholic. The Pope is only infallible if he is speaking about faith or morals, so if he says which team is going to win the Super Bowl, that’s not infallible, it’s his guess at best. When the pope does declare something “ex cathedra” meaning from the chair, but in this case “from the chair” means by whose authority he is speaking with. When the Pope does proclaim something that Catholics are bound to believe he has to do it in union with all the bishops as well, so he can’t just go hog wild or anything. In Isaiah 22 there is a foreshadowing of the papacy, Eliakim is given the keys to the house of David just how Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven! If you have more questions I’ll do my best to answer!
@@mozphet3030 Pope is human. Pope is a sinner. Pope makes mistakes. "Papal Infallibility" only applies very rarely (it was used once in the past century).
I’m a young Catholic, and I do sometimes wonder about the papacy. I think our current pope has flaws, and is a little more left leaning than our last one, and I am also a huge conservative. I’ve been pretty confused recently, and this video was actually helpful. Thanks!
As a protestant, I would say this: dont give up on catholicism just yet. That's a good opportunity to acknowledge that we dont know everything about our particular christian denomination and to study more about it. Christinanity as a whole entails a pretty tough set of beliefes that are vastly counter intuitive to our everyday western mode of reasoning.
Well that’s the issue. You just gotta believe what Rome says. The doctrine of papal infallibility is useless. If they say something in error, they claim it wasn’t infallible. Sit ex cathedra? Infallible. You believe what they say you have to believe.
Skuawkers09 I don't know if you're struggling with the papacy in history or not, but I would suggest checking out "The Papacy" by Erick Ybarra, and for issues about the magisterium, Michael Lofton with reason and theology.
This video is gold. I love your pithy comments and no-nonsense approach. If you want some genuine perspectives from people from a Protestant faith tradition who eventually became Catholic, I recommend watching the Matt Fradd interview with Cameron Bertuzzi (Cameron Bertuzzi CONVERTS to Catholicism (Here's how it happened)) and reading "Rome Sweet Rome" by Scott Hahn. Not to say these will convert you, but they should give you some answers from people who have changed their minds while initially having similar objections.
To me church unity and authority makes a lot of sense from the Bible. Christ gave us a church, not a book and it makes logical sense as well as biblical sense that Christ would establish and authority within the church to preserve sound doctrine an unity.
@@raphaelfeneje486 yea he did. The Bible was not even completed until the end of the 1st century and wasn’t agreed upon until the council of Rome in the 4th century
@@raphaelfeneje486 they were oral traditions passed on by the apostles to the Church. Not everything could be written down in the scriptures and most people could not read nor afford a copy of the Bible. Therefore many traditions and teachings some of which are also in scripture and some that aren’t were received as a part of the deposit of faith from the apostles
@@Justin-yn5py So can you show me from the mouth of the disciples or from their writings outside the Bible that supports that claim?? Seeing that some things were written and some not written. How do you know what wasn't written?? And why does the Bible say that anything aside the doctrine that has been written isn't of God??
I love watching your videos. I grew up half Presbyterian and half Catholic (though for some reason my mom felt compelled to have my siblings and baptized as Catholic even though her side is Presbyterian). I love them both to be honest! My Presbyterian grandparents even supported the orthodox ladies fundraisers when they sold pierogies for their church. We just grew up as viewing the main denominations as brothers and sisters in Christ❤ ❤❤🙏 God bless everyone!
Have you seen Cameron Bertuzzi's research on the papacy? He is protestant and did an analysis where he assigned points to arguments for and against the papacy. There is still room to reason into both conclusions, but it is interesting to hear his theological breakdown. If you search "Cameron Bertuzzi papacy" you can hear him explain his analysis.
Christians trying not to split up into a million different denominations Challenge. Impossible difficulty. All jokes aside I love all our christian brothers and maybe if you look inside of your heart you will discover the beauty and truth of catholicism😉
Hey I have a question. I have been thinking about becoming Catholic recently but I keep getting stuck on 2 issues. Doesn't the bible say that the only mediator between God and mankind is Jesus, so why pray to saints? Also, why is the church more important then having a personal relationship with God?
@@peestrem31 Why must the church and a personal relationship with God be mutually exclusive? I can do good deeds outside of christian/catholic structures/organizations too. As for the saints as I understood it you are essentially praying to the saints so that they are praying to God. Also if you want to convert don't put pressure on yourself. Theology is complicated and takes time. Try to be a good christian with a pure heart and help your community first and foremost.
Bro, I really really love your hard work for Christanity (I think I'm getting addicted to short videos about it, from you and some other creator like 'Impact Videos Ministries' XD). All of this is like medicament for church split. It's so amazing, I have no words to discribe how huge impact this can make for world- not only bc of wathing them, cuz ofc not everyone will, but because Christians that do can be inspired to spread love in different ways. As a polish catholic, I so much appreciate this effort
It's nice hearing a Protestant talk about Catholicism and it's not just a 2 hour TED talk about how they haven't gotten past that time we were erroneous on indulgences.
Thank you for sharing this video and the rest of your content. As a cradle Catholic I respect your beliefs and will continue to pray for you and your community.
Zoomer, how do you personally interpret the verses with keys to the kingdom, and founding the church on Peter? You just said there are a bunch of ways to interpret it without sharing yours. I totally expected you to. Any Protestants in the comments, feel free to share your interpretation. Zoomer made me realize I've never heard a Protestant explanation and I'm really curious. (Matthew 16:17-19)
lol i've asked this same question and I've had this range of responses: Jesus is the rock and Peter is an insignificant pebble We're all the rock (this made me laugh so much)
The most important thing in the Catholic Church is the Eucharist so I wish you had addressed that, it would be interesting to see why you disagree with it and other teachings such as free will. Love your videos, they are always breath of fresh air after all the craziness of the internet!
I respect you and your mission, but that’s not an accurate representation of St. John Henry Newman’s theory nor the First Vatican Council. JHN states that the doctrine papacy is found visibly in the early Church, and V1 is not the first definition of papal infallibility. Papal infallibility was defined at the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence (and was believed by the Early Church Fathers such as St. Augustine).
Trying to watch your videos seriously but reading "headstock was slain by Dogagie using [Circumciser]" Had me in tears, lol. if you are wondering when the text appear is around 4:57
In your "Presbyterianism is the Catholicism of Protestantism and Lutheranism is the Eastern Orthodoxy of Protestantism" joke, I am surprised that you didn't make the obvious joke that "John MacArthur is the Nestorianism/Oriental Orthodoxy of Protestantism." As a Catholic, I appreciated the very respectful tone of the video, though I would argue the central doctrine of Catholicism is the sacraments and that the papacy only has its importance b/c of the sacraments, not the other way around.
I was raised catholic, but I did get baptized again as an adult to renew and affirm my commitment to Christ. I strongly believe in reconciling the different churches that exist today and believe that both modern day protestants and modern-day Catholics can learn from each other. Christians all around should strictly focus on spreading the Gospel rather than attacking each other on beliefs and practices outside of the ones shared by most Christians. For example, I like the structure of a Catholic service, but enjoy preaching the Gospel publicly using amplified sound. Once the whole world was conquered for Christ, then we can sit down and discuss our differences. The modern world is suffering and needs Christ more than ever. Focus on spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ and preaching against sin. We have a duty to glorify God in our daily lives in every little thing that we do.
Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. - Matthew 16:18
why is this getting such a terrible dislike ratio? i genuinely dont understand. is it frustrated catholics, frustrated protestants, or angry atheists? no clue. regardless, i thought this was great ( as a catholic). keep up the great, unifying work.
i really liked the video i would say that the church does focuses on early church fathers but on the latin fathers who formed the theological view of western Christianity and the modern papacy they were primarily roman. god bless
Hi Catholic here. I just want to point out that we take our teachings and doctrines from Scripture. We don't just rely on the early Church fathers. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture! (Not trying to condemn or judge or anything just wanted to point that out!). I say this because I feel like the Catholic Church gets accused of not relying on Scripture at all and that we don't take the Word of God seriously. Also talking about your point on the Papacy is nowhere in Scripture. I know you touched on the point of Jesus saying to Peter, "Upon this rock I will build my Church" and giving him the keys of the Kingdom. But it is also referenced in Thessalonians 2:15 which states, "5 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[a] we passed on to you, whether or by letter."
After listening to Trent Horn for a minute and I think I might be mostly sold on catholics. I am starting to believe in the papacy. Clearly Jesus had a hierarchical structure. This among the many other reasons.
@@endygonewild2899 If you watch Gavin Ortlund Vs Trent Horns debate on Sola Scriptura you will start to see how dominating Catholic doctrine is. I went into the debate open minded and came out a much deeper Catholic.
@@Jimmy-iy9pl sola scriptura is a laughable doctrine. It’s completely circular and the Bible explicitly rejects it in 2nd Timothy. Nowhere does Bible say sola scriptura and non of the early church fathers believed in it
very nice bro but you forget that the chatolic was the first one (historically) and all the saints, miracles and good actions the church (chatolic) made. btw your videos are really good! a lot of respect for my brothers protestants
I think people should read Erick Ybarra's The Papacy to show that the Papacy is Biblical and Historical, he quoted one Anglican scholar in the book saying that by Pope Leo in the 4th century you essentially had Vatican I papal claims.
As a Catholic, I would like to clarify that it is not so much the keys to Heaven, but that Jesus said Peter is the rock that He will build His Church on. That is why we believe in papal supremacy.
"The successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Saint Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
So I am evangelical/baptist-leaning and I laughed reallyyyy hard at "protestant church is just in the back of an Applebee's". 😂😂😂 I absolutely love my church and I do think it's beautiful even though it's not traditional...but it's so true that we'll have church anywhere...and I think it's good to be able to laugh at ourselves 😂. Love your content!!
Come Home to Rome brother! Book recs: >"The Case for Catholicism" by Trent Horn >"Practical Theology" by Peter Kreeft Also thank you for saying it's not Heretical & that we're doing the best for the Culture!
Hey, so as a Catholic I will say that you're right about some things, like the Church not being totally consistent throughout history and the fact that papal infallibility wasn't developed fully until Vatican I. However, when you say the doctrine of the papacy isn't really found in the Church fathers' writings, that's not exactly true. Let me shed some light with some examples: St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130-202 AD) - In his work "Against Heresies" (Book 3, Chapter 3), Irenaeus discusses the apostolic tradition preserved in the Church of Rome, which he sees as founded by Peter and Paul. He emphasizes the importance of the Church of Rome, stating, "It is necessary to obey those who are the presbyters in the Church, those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain mark of truth according to the will of the Father... For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority." St. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200-258 AD) - In his letter to Antonianus (Letter 55), Cyprian refers to the Church of Rome as the Chair of Peter, stating, "There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one Chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever gathers elsewhere scatters." St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 339-397 AD) - Ambrose, in his commentary on the Gospel of Luke (6:97), touches upon the significance of Peter's role and, by extension, the role of his successors. He highlights Peter's confession of faith as the foundation upon which the Church is built, underscoring the unique position of Peter among the apostles. In other writings he also describes the "Chair of Peter" as representing the Pope's position. St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) - Augustine, in his Sermon 295, reflects on the symbol of the keys given to Peter in Matthew 16:18-19 and sees in Peter's primacy a figure for the authority of the Church. He mentions, "For it was not said to him alone, ‘You are Peter’; but, ‘and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ Thus, he represented the Church, which is built upon the rock, and received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’" St. Jerome (c. 347-420 AD) - In his letters, particularly Letter 15 (to Pope Damasus I), Jerome affirms the primacy of the Bishop of Rome by expressing his adherence to Damasus's teaching and authority, stating, "I speak with the successor of the fisherman, and the disciple of the cross. I, following none as my chief but Christ, am associated in communion with your Beatitude, that is, with the chair of Peter. Upon that rock, I know the Church is built." These references, among others, illustrate how the Early Church Fathers viewed the role of the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, as a successor to Peter, affirming the special authority and foundational role of Peter and his successors in maintaining the unity and continuity of the Church. Of course, this interpretation wasn't unanimous across all the early Church fathers, but it was widespread enough that the Pope's role became increasingly important as the Church grew. According to my understanding some of the fathers viewed Peter's confession of faith as the rock upon which the Church is built, whereas others viewed Peter himself as the rock (and by extension the papacy). Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful conversations. Keep up the good work.
Catholic here. I have a lot of respect for you and many other protestants. I learning about the many traditions in Christianity. I might disagree some with every tradition, but I find the intellectuals of the Faith: Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant strengthen my own faith than hinder it!
As a Protestant, I really have a lot of love and respect in my heart for our Catholic brothers and sisters. I attended a Catholic university, and I think that Catholicism honestly gets so much right, but I, too, just can’t get past the papacy. My husband and I talked a lot about the possibility of converting, but we ultimately decided against it mainly for that reason.
Catholic here, happy to watch your videos and hear your point of view. You have an inspiring faith journey and a realistic ambition for bringing God's Kingdom here. While each Church is a House of God, some of ours look... Applebeean, for sure. The late 20th century was tough on all of us. St. Thomas the Apostle, Patron Saint of architects, pray for us!
I think you are misunderstanding the doctrine of the papacy. I recommend you google "what to do if you disagree with a church teaching catholic answers". There is an article by catholic answers that explains the church's teaching authority very well. It is ok to disagree with some things and there are varying levels.
I'm born and raised and professing Roman Catholic, I do get your criticism of the infallibility of the Pope meaning the infallibility of the Church and so on. Well evidently the Church is not inerrant as abhorrent things have been committed in the name of the Lord and the Church (inquisition, forced conversion, selling of indulgences without explaining what exactly they are...) But the Church is in my opinion infallible in "the long run". Throughout the centuries and dozens of Schisms the Catholic Church has been consistently united under one hierarchy which means there is less leeway to create divisions. Yes it can be tyrannical but that just further proves the action of the Holy Spirit in guiding the Church through the rule of +250 popes. Finally I have to add that I don't particularly agree with some positions of the Church (especially ministy of women, as I see no basis for such an exclusion in scripture and I believe that tradition should be viewed critically if it's not beneficial to the continuation of God's path to the Salvation of the World). Overall great video and thanks to you I now am starting to have a lot more admiration for real protestant Christians who defend the Faith.
The Bible affirms Tradition is as authoritative as scripture (2 Thess 2:15). Also all Protestants believe in the authoritative tradition of the cannon of scripture being closed even though the Bible does not say that the cannon is closed or that book of Revelation is the final inspired work of scripture. This is something we know since it has been passed on from church tradition.
'Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.' You sure you meant to reference 2 Timothy 2:15??
Authority is the point, theologically. Leadership is essential, practically. Infallibility cannot be possible regarding the Bible unless an infallible method (the Church) was used by God to reveal biblical truth. Sin is real even within the Church but God knew that. He works through faithful people (saints) in spite of great sinfulness in every age. The Catholic Church can be likened to Noah’s arc in which many animals likely made the conditions unpleasant. The only way Catholics can bear the stench on the inside is to remember the storm on the outside. Be a saint!
I just want to thankyou for anwsering both my questions from QnA, I was a bit disappointed that you didnt get to them in QnA video, but seeing both questions anwsered in separate videos (other one is Christian dating) is very much appracieated. thankyou.
As someone who just identifies as Christian (not Protestant or Catholic, but still holds more Protestant views) the ONLY THREE THINGS I have against Catholics is the praying to the saints (which I personally see as Idolatry), the need for Catholics to confide their sins to a priest as children (I went to a Catholic school for the first few years of my school, but when it came to that my mom got pissed off), and also the fact that you are expected to call priests father when I believe you only have to fathers (our Heavenly Father and earthly biological father). Other then that we’re ALL Christian’s and in the “progressive” world we live in now we all need to come together as brothers and sisters in Christ. As a teenage Christian it’s soooooo nice to find a fellow Gen Z Christian who truly loves God. God bless everyone! ❤
In regards to praying to Saints, we ask for their intercessory prayers. In Revelation theres mention of the prayers of Saints and in James it states to “pray for one another” and that the “prayer of a righteous person is powerful.” Praying isn’t necessarily worship, since prayer has multiple definitions. In context pf praying to the Saints we are making an earnest hope or wish that they pray for us to God, for instance in the Hail Mary prayer we ask “Pray for us Sinners, now and at the hour of our death.” Notice how the words say “pray for us,” and not to Her. Idolatry is the worship of deities (i.e. gods with a lowercase g). We don’t consider saints as dieties, since they’re not gods, but merely humans. In regards to confessing to a priest, we do that because according to scripture, in James 5:16 it states “confess your sins to one another.” Also in the Old Testament people confessed their sins to a priest. As for calling our pastors Father, you’re forgetting that afterwards Jesus said “Call no man teacher,” so if we were to take that literally what would we call our teachers? These are just some explanations for why things are in the Catholic church and are in no way meaning to try to change your mindset or anything, its just important to see our side of the story. God bless 🙏✝️
@@justin36004you know that theres not even one example of people praying to deceased saints in the bible right ? When the bible speak of saints it always mean Christians that are alive like even some catholics admit that theres no biblical support for that doctrine so they rely on tradition and on the church.
@@lad6524 The Saints are alive and well in heaven. They aren’t deceased. Plus theres references in Hebrews, Revelation, and in the deuterocanonical books about prayers to the saints.
Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Saint Dionysus of Corinth, Saint Cyprian of Carthage, Saint Irenaeus, Eusebius of Caesarea, and the Martyrs of Lyon would firmly disagree
I'm an atheist and I love learning about beliefs people have and why they have them, and I just love this guy so much, he's so genuine and just interesting to watch, he's 100% got a sub from me.
Before writing my arguments I want to say that I discovered your channel some days ago, and I have liked it very much. As a christian who does not use his entire day to scan the web for christianity videos, I must say that yours have quite literally mesmerized me. So, I wanted to answer to your video, even though I don't usually write comments. I can see very well you concern with church infallinility, but we firstly need to imagine christianity in the early ages. There was this man called Jesus who professed himself as the son of God, and performed miracles wherever He went. So, understandably, after this man died and was resurrected people tried to understand what just happened and they wanted to follow his teachings. There was only one problem: the direct sources about his teachings weren't enough, so, like a kind of detective squad, they had to investigate to comprehend Him. So they argued about anything: from wich gospels were real, to what excactly was He on the Earth for, and every kind of question somebody could come up for after witnessing the literal son of God. They did all of that in councils, wich are non other than just a big debate over what happened in those 33 years. The wisest men were summoned, and after years they come up with the solution, and declared them dogmas, wich some protestant churches still follows. Fast forward a bit, and there are tens of council, with new and new dogmas, because God is such a vast topic that cannot be debated over a single council. And in the meantime the debaters evolved: from early church fathers to scholasticism to today theologians. About your concern over personal theology, we must understand that the Truth is one and one only, so he cannot be interpreted in other ways; the path to God is one and one only. That's why when new dogmas are added there is less freedom of thought about theology: because those are questions already answered by the wisest men of that time, wich knew way more than me or you. Though, on open topic, not answered yet we can share our own personal vision. Then, about the pope, we must not forget that the pope is enlighted by Jesus, who promised to lead his church; but that does not mean that he is always right, he is still human, and that's why there are criterias for invoking papal infallibility (wich, by the way, has been invoked only 2 times in all of church's history). Then, as you said in the early fathers there are only a tiny part of modern catholic doctrines, and that's because, as I have explained earlier, they didn't know what they were talking about and had to find out, arguing, debating, bit by bit, to eventually build modern catholic theology. Finally, about the bible, catholics don't use it as the main source simple because the bible was created by the church, according to its theology, excluding books that were against what church fathers tought were not Christ's teachings (apocrypha). That's the same thing protestant did during the reformation to justify their theology, even though that meant modifying the bible to better be compatible with their ideas and not the contrary. Quick round: As I have knowledge, the Church didn't modify any of his teachings
It's highly amusing to always see the Catholics here (as I'm one myself) all thinking how "Catholic" Redeemed Zoomer seems. I see it too. But I think the reason we all think that, is that as Catholics, we aren't as deep into the nitty-gritty of theology like Zoomer (and Presbyterians generally are). So he sees important differences that we gloss over. Also, for us born into it, it's easier to live Catholicism on a spectrum -- once we're Confirmed, we're still Catholics whether or not we agree with the Pope on every little thing with regards to Church rules; if we feel bad about missing fasting during Lent, we can just go Confess! :) We know the Pope, while respected, is actually almost never speaking infallibly. We may be Lambs of God, but we are not all Sheep of the Clergy! But for Zoomer, coming to it as an adult, I can understand how he really needs to feel he has to be able to intellectually accept the whole official package before choosing a faith.
I think it’s important to not get lost in religion and rally focus on Jesus and build a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. Literally the reason Jesus came was because of the hardened hearts of religious Jews.
Catholics do believe in salvation by grace through faith alone; it's commonly misinterpreted but what Catholics really believe is the "OBEDIENCE OF FAITH" (Romans 1:16-17). We don't really have faith if we don't have the faith to follow God's law.
@@redstarshard The Council of Trent formally announced the doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone, and all those who follow it, to be *anathema.* To say Catholics formally don't believe in that, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ, is an understatement.
As a Catholic, I would like to share my point of view as to why the papacy is a must. If there is a Pope, who can make clear statements about what is right and wrong regarding our theological beliefs, then we would live up to our name, as "catholic" means "united". If our faith is left up to our interpretation, we risk interpreting scripture wrong. In that case, it is possible to hold heretical ideas. It is precisely because the Pope can unite the theological understanding of believers that I find the Pope to be necessary. However, a college of Bishops is also fine. The important part about the papacy, in my opinion, is that there is a ruling authority who can clear up confusing parts of our faith.
I love how he literally has a christian minecraft server.
Yeaaa finally
And its not a joke or some keird stuff its an unironical Christian Minecraft server.
This dude is probably doing more to heal the tension and hostility among Christians than anyone else alive
As a catholic I agree. I love my Protestant brothers and sisters.
@@jacksonkuzmic need more of this and less "YOU ARE APOSTATE GOING TO HELL IMMEDIATELY" from the oldheads
i agree and as a catholic I also think we should learn more about Protestants because a lot of Catholics think just think that there is Catholics and “Christian’s” and I think we should remove that label
Him and Inspiring philosophy to an extent.
And I love and hate him like Martin Luther just a joke, he tried too
Don't worry guys just 10 more minutes before he becomes a catholic
yup just became one
(kidding)
@@redeemedzoomer6053 😮💨
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Missed opportunity to say "in minecraft"
@@redeemedzoomer6053 soon brother
@@redeemedzoomer6053 These videos are amazing man. I personally am Catholic but I firmly believe that it doesn't matter what denomination you fall into, as long as you believe in the core tenants of Christianity, the Trinity, the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and follow the tenants of the Nicene Creed, you are saved. I claim to be Catholic but I am not sure if there is a better denomination that I would fall into as I do not believe in the infallibility of the papacy or in the church itself as a system run by man will always be subject to sin and corruption; however, I do believe in most other fundamentals of Catholicism and am curious as to your other disagreements with Catholicism.
You are basically the only Protestant who’s content I enjoy and can stand to actually listen to. I was raised as Catholic since birth and I’ve learned a lot about the other denominations here, and unlike many of them you actually know what you’re talking about and have some respect for us.
Orthobro 💪👍
Gavin ortlund over at truth unites is a friendly protestant as well. You will like him.
@@lifewasgiventous1614 I just checked out some of his stuff and subscribed, he does seem like an intelligent and genuine guy.
I don’t mind hearing criticism of Catholicism, it’s just that most Protestants I’ve seen on here don’t approach it with any respect and also don’t seem to actually know much about it. They just repeat the same talking points said in every ignorant 10 minute RUclips video. My family is almost all Catholic but one of my grandmothers was Protestant so I always had respect for them.
Thanks for the rec!
@☦️purgatoire
Of course, there is going to be animosity from people in all camps regarding just about anything, so it comes to me as no surprise when it's found in religion.. I've seen ignorance in both camps...catholics generally tend to brow beat, and when it gets worse, they will call you a heretic, and so on, protestants can be ignorantly stubborn to budge on anything and many tend to have a minimal understanding of church history even their own protestant roots.
I love gavins Channel because he is extremely friendly and a well-read scholar on church history who genuinely seems to want peace among the denominations.
Over the years, I have found the challenge is often to remain hopeful and charitable despite the sheer amount of ignorance from all sides.
@@sleepatterns if youre catholic then why the orthodox cross in your name?
As a Catholic, I'm using this channel to teach my son about Christianity. It's refreshing to not be dismissed as a cultist or a Mary or Pope worshipper (I've been accused of that by some Born Agains, but of course it's not true) by this content.
I'm hoping to join the Faith and started praying the Rosary with my family everyday. It's literally my favorite thing to do now. You sit around thinking about Jesus for 20 mins or so. What is better than that?
@@phillipcummings3518wwww
I converted to catholicism after being disillusioned by the mainline protestant churches (formerly Presbyterian). I have no regrets about my decision and I've been learning more and more about catholic theology.
@@stephenlee3406 wwwww
@@phillipcummings3518 keep it up! The Rosary will change your life.
I am a Catholic, and I must tell you that you and your channel have and has really helped me to grow and solidify in my faith. I often struggle with my beliefs, and I often find that your videos help to bring me back to my Christian and Catholic identity. For that, I thank you and wish you all the best my brother in Christ! Godspeed!
Dia duit!
2:50 Is where he actually explains why he isn't Catholic
I am gonna like this comment
@@etherheaded I am gonna like this reply
As a (Southern) Baptist, I always try and push back against some of those in my denomination who say Catholics aren't Christian. I think that not only is it not true, but it's extremely hurtful and further divides the Church.
100%
Thank you so much that means so much to me as a Catholic
It is true. To be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ. Catholics serve way more than 1 master (Mary, the saints, the pope, I can keep going) and they add to the scripture with the Apocryphal books and other passages and REMOVE verses on predestination. Catholicism is a heresy and not true 100%. Of course, if they convert and leave Catholicism and believe the truth about the Bible, then they can become a born from above saved Christian.
As a recent convert to Catholicism I pray that you have been predestined to become Catholic ❤.
I was predestined from calvinism to Catholicism so it must work for others 😂
honestly first i hope he uses the Reconquista to reshape the protestants first
Welcome home
Very based and catholicpilled.
RedeemedZoomer, I do pray that you receive confirmation one day.
The best thing about this channel is the love, compassion and respect, of the fellowship of Christians.
I love listening to a strong Christian talking about deep theology and the authority of the Church while reading a Minecraft chat talking about Better Call Saul and circumcision.
In a weird way, I really want to be Catholic.
I love the culture, the unity that Catholics have all around the world, I like the idea of letting the Church make decisions on big issues for me so I don't have to research it myself and love the idea of saints and the venerating of Mary. However, I just can't bring myself to believe in their doctrines, like Purgatory and the perpetual virginity of Mary- though of course, I am yet to do in-depth research on it. I believe that purgatory would be made more clear by Jesus if it was real, But in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins were either allowed into the celebration or blocked from entering it with no middle ground. This seems to be the case with many of His parables (Catholics feel free to correct me as I want to learn both sides).
I have also been to Rome and the Vatican which are both truly beautiful and culturally rich places. Protestant nations don't seem to have the same zeal for God, it seems.
The whole issue with all the protestant denominations gets to me though. Granted, many differences are incredibly minor and irrelevant honestly, but the fractures would be avoided if we were to be unified under one Church.
I feel really drawn to Catholicism, but cannot be fully convinced that it is right either. May God guide us all to the truth.
Love your videos!
Me and you both brother. We are fighting the same battle. Half of my family is Catholic and the other half are Protestant/Baptists. I love them both equally but as of right now I’m more Baptist than anything else. A lot about Catholicism has me thinking about turning into a Catholic but some of the traditions and biblical ideologies stop me from doing so. Hope we get the answers we need. God bless!
Catholic answers wrote alot about Marys virginity
Personally, I don't believe in purgatory and don't think that the perpetual virginity of Mary is something crucial in my daily life with Christ. I focus on Jesus Christ alone because He clearly said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6) and that we need a relationship with Jesus to see God. Heaven is God's kingdom and for God to know us, we must make ourselves know to Him by having a relationship with His Son Jesus Christ and obeying His Words found in the Bible. I think some of the extra-biblical doctrines or traditions won't jeopardize your salvation if your heart truly desires Christ and obedience to Him.
Its a common misunderstanding that purgatory is a middle ground in Catholicism between heaven and hell, but purgatory is actually a process to get into heaven, if you get to purgatory, you're getting into heaven. Purgatory is actually described in the Bible as purifying fire the soul must go through first, if you search for the Bible quotes for it there's plenty
@@jowar9958I will have a look then. I did know that purgatory was a place that cleanses any remaining sin from a believer before they enter Heaven, but no para les from what I have read seem to allude to such a place. Only that people are either instantly in or out. That id what I have gathered so far, at least
As a Protestant (Evangelical) living in the the one of the first Christian nations in Southeast* Asia (thanks to Catholicism), I have respect and love for my Catholic brethren.
Edit: Asia to Southeast Asia to include other Asian countries
Edit 2: Check below for the corrections
Pinoy?
@@lemokemo5752 Yup hahaha
@@lemokemo5752 Kamusta? Pinoy ka din?
East Timor, Georgia, Cyprus, and Armenia have left the chat crying
@@chillmemes5865 Oh Im sorry, I guess I meant to say Southeast Asia. In elementary and highschool, we were usually taught that-- Possibly because we usually see Asians within the stereotypical ethnicities and backgrounds. I think it was also a way we branded ourselves in history so the phrase stuck.
As a Catholic, I have a few retorts.
1. Early Christians most certainly understood the papacy.
I'm a little tired of protestant retconning of Early Church/Catholic history, because the early church was most definitely Catholic.
Peter, - with the authority Christ gave him to loose and bind on heaven and earth, to forgive sins, and to cast out demons - ordained bishops, such as the patriarch of Antioch, and many priests were ordained by the apostles. Peter then appointed St. Linus as his successor, St. Linus was succeeded by St. Anacletus, and so on. Also, early Christians and the church fathers believed in the full presence of Christ in the eucharist, something which many protestants reject. And "sola scriptura" was something made up 500 years ago, and ironically has no biblical basis. The apostles, the first members of the church, wrote scripture, and the later church collected it and sifted out uninspired scripture. The apostles have authority, not their holy testimonies which are the evidence of that.
2. The Catholic Church, through its leadership, can make changes to practices, or explore/elaborate established beliefs, but to say Catholics "change the rules" and pretend they don't is somewhat disingenuous. Catholic Christians have had many councils to discuss and establish what is and isn't true, not to try and change the belief of what is true. The leader of the church, as a successor to Peter, can also command Christians to celebrate in a certain way, or to codify a certain truth. This isn't just Catholics making stuff up.
3. There is a one true Church, and it can't just be everyone who claims to be a Christian church. Different churches have different dogmas and beliefs, even if they're similar. The body of Christ, the means of salvation, cannot uphold both truth and lies. There is only one truth, and the kingdom of God is a bastion of truth.
Anyway, I love your content, and I wish more people would watch your videos, because they really inspire a lot of people to look into the faith!
The Orthodox people will say the early church was Orthodox. Why are they wrong and you're right?
@Redeemed Zoomer
Protestants say the early Church was protestant. Why are they right and we wrong? I don't think this a very good argument.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 you know Orthodox and Catholics both say that they were one church until the schism, right? that's not the right question to be asking
@@redeemedzoomer6053 The orthodox removed themselves from the original church when they decided to abandon the papacy for their own ways, the papacy was well established by the point of mutual excommunication, even if the orthodox tried to downplay it as "first among equals". Also, just because someone says something doesn't make it true. Truth is truth.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Wouldn't that just turn this into an Ortho vs Catholic debate then?
the other "why i'm not" videos are like 30+ minutes, this one is not even 7 if you consider his rambles,
So yes, Zoomer is weeks away from converting to the one true church
wait until you see how long my "why I'm not non-denominational" vid is going to be ;)
"the one true church"
@@redeemedzoomer6053 should I make a countdown for your conversion to non-denominational instead then?
@@CreepyEnderPig "One God, one church!"
@@aiwaschawa5272
one church for god: christians
And another for mary: catholics
Catholic here and convert from evangelical protestantism. Love your video's man. I'd argue that the historical understanding of the Eucharist and its role in salvation played a much bigger role in my conversion. The church fathers leave very little room for a protestant view of communion. Anyways, keep up the good work and hope to see you in Rome.
I went from Presbyterianism to catholicism. I also felt a calling to catholicism because of the historical understanding of the Eucharist.
I agree. I am WELS Lutheran and we believe it IS Christs body and blood. A lot of proteststants will ignore this or attempt to logic and humanize their way out of this blessing.
as a protestant Ive always had more respect for the quiet worship of orthobros compared to the carnival bombardment so many megachurches have become. a place of worship should never look or feel like a mall.
About "ugly" protestant churches:
When Brazil became an Empire, in the 1800's, Catholicism was the official religion. However, due to friendship with the United Kingdom, Protestant immigrants could continue with their faith, following these rules:
- It was not allowed to evangelize others
- Public worship was not allowed
- It was not allowed to build churches, as they could be confused as catholic churches.
So, in Brazil it isn't very common to have traditional church buildings, even if there are historical denominations. It has become a form of distinction, and it is cultural in our region.
Eu achava que as igrejas feias dos evangélicos era por causa da maioria dos protestantes daqui serem das neopentecostais mais modernas, não sabia que era tão profundo.
infelizmente
Nosso país era sigma 😔
sempre me perguntei pq as igrejas evangelicas eram garagens 😔😔
You took the word out of my mouth… minus the whole Calvinist part 😂😂😂
Im Catholic, but you’ve always shared my views, and you’ve always done well to follow behind god, much like us Catholics. God bless you.
If the length of the videos keeps decreasing the video "Why I'm not a mormon" will be just:
"No."
Hahaha
“Why I’m not quaker”: …
I’m Catholic and love your content
Same here
Agreed
So you love heresy?
@@fearlesscrusader007so funny when catholics says that
I love your content. I’m Eastern Orthodox and looking forward to your Orthodox video.
I'm actually contemplating in regard to the Orthodox church, started to distance myself from protestantism
Orthodox as well. I'm waiting too.
@American Mind do not. Orthodoxy is a schismatic sect. They split from Rome in 1054 mainly due to their rejection of the authority of the bishop of Rome. They accept his primacy but reject his jurisdiction over the entire Christian church when scripture wisdom of church fathers and the councils canons prove that the bishop of Rome had complete jurisdiction over every governing apostolic seat (Antioch Jerusalem Alexandria and Constantinople). If you seek the true church of Christ look to the catholic church
@@jeremyphilippe5122 I converted to catholicism last year. I started off distancing myself from Protestantism due to growing disillusioned with my former denomination of Presbyterianism. I can definitely see where you're coming from since mainline protestant churches have been growing very wack.
@American Mind there is no supreme leader in Eastern Orthodoxy, just a lose apostolic national churches under there respective patriarchs.
*He's 3 days away from becoming Catholic*
Saying that Papal Infallibility was only really a thing since Vatican I is kinda true, but it's also kinda wrong. Yes, the dogma and doctrine of Papal Infallibility was added at Vatican I which was 1869-1870, but practically speaking Papal Infallibility was exercised semi-official by Popes ever since the late middle ages. Another point is the clarification of Papal Infallibility at Vatican II, which is not really a correction, rather a continuation of the debate at Vatican I as Vatican I was interrupted by the Franco-Prussian War and thus the debates and clarifications of Papal Infallibility were cut short.
Dear Catholics, if you had to reconstruct your theology and traditions from only the Bible, how much of both would survive. Answer in percentages
0:27 "let me slay someone with my weapon" so random
You are the only Protestant youtuber i frequently watch since you genuinely know what you're talking about and you don't accuse us Catholics of idolatry and Saint/Mary worship every 10 seconds like with some i had to interact with tend to do. Love your videos!
The biggest differences I'd say is 'idol veneration' and 'Mary veneration' and 'apostolic succession' 'and 'magisterium' and that the 'pope' just made a new global climate '10 commandments' while on a trip with other nutcases to Mt. Sinai These are MAJOR differences.
And Mt Sinai is in Arabia so he wasn’t even there, really.
Yep, it’s why any self respecting, born again Christian should stay far away from Catholicism.
As a subscriber of yours, and as someone who converted to Christianity about this year and is currently considering catholicism(and already praying to the Virgin Mary), I really like your videos.
I have many reasons to believe that catholicism is right(for example, the versicle when Jesus gives the Keys to Peter), but of course, I might be wrong.
It's very hard to know for myself which denomination is right, since there are many arguments and counterarguments for each position, so it's hard to know the truth when there are so many opposite views.
So, I just pray to God that, If I am not following the right path, if catholicism is wrong, then that the Lord get me out of the wrong path.
About the Scripture thing, I have a question for you: Why do you believe that the Scripture has more authority than Church Tradition and the early church fathers, considering that the Bible itself was compiled by the church fathers?
If you want to here a good argument for a developed existence of the papacy in the first millennium, look into Erick Ybarra's The Papacy
The thing is, if you need the church to be there then the interpretation issue can be pushed back one level. How do you know if the Catholic Church is actually infallible if the scriptures, or anyone else, don't clearly state it? Can't you just interpret the words of the Catholic Church however you want?
Scripture testifies itself to be the Word of God. It's undeniable. Protestants argue it's the only INFALLIBLE rule of faith. Protestants generally say that if the church makes a mistake then it's not binding and the scripture is the proper way to address it. If you look at the early councils, then you see that arguments aren't made on the basis of church authority. Rather they cite scripture.
I think you should look at Gavin Ortlund's videos. I can't make a full essay on Catholicism on a RUclips comment. Especially since I'm not nearly as qualified as actual theologians. Gavin makes a good case for Protestantism without knocking on Catholics personally. There's a good case to be made for Protestantism historically and biblically. Don't just look at pop level arguments in the same way a lot of atheists do.
as a Catholic, just a quick mention to *not* pray to Mary or the Saints or angels etc. you pray to God and God alone. we honor Mary and ask her to pray for us, not pray to her! praying the rosary and asking Mary to pray for us, on the other hand, are more than welcome!
as for your denomination, it doesn't really matter as long as we all follow the Lord. See verses Romans 14:1-23 🙏
@@b0rnless42 It does matter, and it matters a lot. But if you mean to say that being Christian is the most important thing, you're certainly right. Whether or not you should baptize your babies for their salvation is nothing in comparison to whether you should raise them to love the Lord or not.
Glad that Prots and Caths can finally have some good talks with each other. Hate seeing strawmanning and prot slander memes on Social media because it just leaves just an empty void of conversation between the two
I don't know about setting the peter/pope issue as the main problem. I see Justification via by Grace through faith in Christ alone being the main issue. we can't add to our justification righteousness via our works.
Where does the Bible say you are saved by faith alone? Only place in the Bible I could find the words “faith” and “alone” in the same sentence is in James where it explicitly teaches that we are not saved by faith alone.
@@Justin-yn5pyin the book of James in which it says "faith without works is dead" oke so:
The works there is the *fruit* or evidence that you have been saved which comes out naturally it happens *after* conversion
Its basically like Cain and Abel
They both offered sacrifices to God
-Abel had a relationship with God and gave Him his best sacrifices as the fruit of it. And God is pleased with his fruit
-Cain did not have a relationship with God and as a result, he offered unwholeheartedly. And in the end (it gets really messy)
Hopefully Im not making offense I was confused before by the verse until I did some cross context
@@_______9427 James 2:24 literally says you are not saved by faith alone. Also if faith without works is dead then that means merely believing doesn’t guarantee salvation. I agree there is no specific amount of works or anything like that can save us, but we just abide in Christ to increase our justification. It’s a process not a one time thing
@@Justin-yn5py I agree that it is a process and faith is like a muscle we should exercise. Heb 11:1 can give the definition of faith
But book of James does not talk about the salvation of man:
James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (There is no statement that salvation needed works)
And there is also in the Catholic Bible itself that states that:
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and it is not from you; it is a gift from God; it is not from works, so no one may boast"
After believing and repenting that is where the Spirit enables us to do good works (fruits of Holy Spirit) in which we havent done before(book of Corinthians)
Thats is a good argument tho its quute interesting
Papal Infallibility means that the Pope is protected from error when he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals (CCC 891). This does not mean that he is impeccable (incapable of sin) or inerrant (incapable of error).
Sorry, what does that even mean. It just sounds like fancy mental gymnastics 🤸 can he err or not? If he can't, you can't really say he's human and in need of God.
@@mozphet3030 Just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean I explained it poorly.
@@siaviken6112 explain it like you were explaining it for someone 10 years old
@@mozphet3030Basically and I need to do more research on this, even as a Catholic.
The Pope is only infallible if he is speaking about faith or morals, so if he says which team is going to win the Super Bowl, that’s not infallible, it’s his guess at best. When the pope does declare something “ex cathedra” meaning from the chair, but in this case “from the chair” means by whose authority he is speaking with. When the Pope does proclaim something that Catholics are bound to believe he has to do it in union with all the bishops as well, so he can’t just go hog wild or anything.
In Isaiah 22 there is a foreshadowing of the papacy, Eliakim is given the keys to the house of David just how Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven!
If you have more questions I’ll do my best to answer!
@@mozphet3030 Pope is human. Pope is a sinner. Pope makes mistakes. "Papal Infallibility" only applies very rarely (it was used once in the past century).
I’m a young Catholic, and I do sometimes wonder about the papacy. I think our current pope has flaws, and is a little more left leaning than our last one, and I am also a huge conservative. I’ve been pretty confused recently, and this video was actually helpful. Thanks!
As a protestant, I would say this: dont give up on catholicism just yet. That's a good opportunity to acknowledge that we dont know everything about our particular christian denomination and to study more about it. Christinanity as a whole entails a pretty tough set of beliefes that are vastly counter intuitive to our everyday western mode of reasoning.
2nd Vatican Council.
Well that’s the issue. You just gotta believe what Rome says. The doctrine of papal infallibility is useless. If they say something in error, they claim it wasn’t infallible. Sit ex cathedra? Infallible. You believe what they say you have to believe.
@Glaurung89 what’s your alternative then? The church needs an authoritative body to settle disputes. Anything less devolves into anarchy.
Skuawkers09 I don't know if you're struggling with the papacy in history or not, but I would suggest checking out "The Papacy" by Erick Ybarra, and for issues about the magisterium, Michael Lofton with reason and theology.
First line was hilarious 😂
This video is gold. I love your pithy comments and no-nonsense approach.
If you want some genuine perspectives from people from a Protestant faith tradition who eventually became Catholic, I recommend watching the Matt Fradd interview with Cameron Bertuzzi (Cameron Bertuzzi CONVERTS to Catholicism (Here's how it happened)) and reading "Rome Sweet Rome" by Scott Hahn. Not to say these will convert you, but they should give you some answers from people who have changed their minds while initially having similar objections.
To me church unity and authority makes a lot of sense from the Bible. Christ gave us a church, not a book and it makes logical sense as well as biblical sense that Christ would establish and authority within the church to preserve sound doctrine an unity.
Christ gave us a church, not a book?? Really 😕
@@raphaelfeneje486 yea he did. The Bible was not even completed until the end of the 1st century and wasn’t agreed upon until the council of Rome in the 4th century
@@Justin-yn5py Was the traditions of the church based on individual authority or what was passed down as an oral tradition before being documented??
@@raphaelfeneje486 they were oral traditions passed on by the apostles to the Church. Not everything could be written down in the scriptures and most people could not read nor afford a copy of the Bible. Therefore many traditions and teachings some of which are also in scripture and some that aren’t were received as a part of the deposit of faith from the apostles
@@Justin-yn5py So can you show me from the mouth of the disciples or from their writings outside the Bible that supports that claim?? Seeing that some things were written and some not written. How do you know what wasn't written?? And why does the Bible say that anything aside the doctrine that has been written isn't of God??
Appreciate this. You get a couple of things a bit wrong but it's an 8 minute video. Thank you for your uniting spirit
I love watching your videos. I grew up half Presbyterian and half Catholic (though for some reason my mom felt compelled to have my siblings and baptized as Catholic even though her side is Presbyterian). I love them both to be honest! My Presbyterian grandparents even supported the orthodox ladies fundraisers when they sold pierogies for their church. We just grew up as viewing the main denominations as brothers and sisters in Christ❤ ❤❤🙏 God bless everyone!
Have you seen Cameron Bertuzzi's research on the papacy? He is protestant and did an analysis where he assigned points to arguments for and against the papacy. There is still room to reason into both conclusions, but it is interesting to hear his theological breakdown. If you search "Cameron Bertuzzi papacy" you can hear him explain his analysis.
Yes you should watch Dr Gavin Ortlund's rebuttal of his claims
@@theknight8524very wanting
Christians trying not to split up into a million different denominations Challenge. Impossible difficulty.
All jokes aside I love all our christian brothers and maybe if you look inside of your heart you will discover the beauty and truth of catholicism😉
Hey I have a question. I have been thinking about becoming Catholic recently but I keep getting stuck on 2 issues. Doesn't the bible say that the only mediator between God and mankind is Jesus, so why pray to saints? Also, why is the church more important then having a personal relationship with God?
@@peestrem31 Why must the church and a personal relationship with God be mutually exclusive? I can do good deeds outside of christian/catholic structures/organizations too. As for the saints as I understood it you are essentially praying to the saints so that they are praying to God. Also if you want to convert don't put pressure on yourself. Theology is complicated and takes time. Try to be a good christian with a pure heart and help your community first and foremost.
@@cyberiansailor9741 Thanks
Bro, I really really love your hard work for Christanity (I think I'm getting addicted to short videos about it, from you and some other creator like 'Impact Videos Ministries' XD). All of this is like medicament for church split. It's so amazing, I have no words to discribe how huge impact this can make for world- not only bc of wathing them, cuz ofc not everyone will, but because Christians that do can be inspired to spread love in different ways. As a polish catholic, I so much appreciate this effort
It's nice hearing a Protestant talk about Catholicism and it's not just a 2 hour TED talk about how they haven't gotten past that time we were erroneous on indulgences.
Thank you for sharing this video and the rest of your content. As a cradle Catholic I respect your beliefs and will continue to pray for you and your community.
Impeccable timing today
Zoomer, how do you personally interpret the verses with keys to the kingdom, and founding the church on Peter? You just said there are a bunch of ways to interpret it without sharing yours. I totally expected you to.
Any Protestants in the comments, feel free to share your interpretation. Zoomer made me realize I've never heard a Protestant explanation and I'm really curious. (Matthew 16:17-19)
lol i've asked this same question and I've had this range of responses:
Jesus is the rock and Peter is an insignificant pebble
We're all the rock (this made me laugh so much)
The most important thing in the Catholic Church is the Eucharist so I wish you had addressed that, it would be interesting to see why you disagree with it and other teachings such as free will. Love your videos, they are always breath of fresh air after all the craziness of the internet!
was waiting for this one, and as a catholic i love your videos, and hope one day for a catholic zoomer.
The papacy is obviously a better argument then he used in his video. But I'm not going to put him down because he will find the truth if he wants to.
This video was timed so well for me, thanks, zoomer
1:04 Is that a Maronite cross?
Yes it is!
I respect you and your mission, but that’s not an accurate representation of St. John Henry Newman’s theory nor the First Vatican Council. JHN states that the doctrine papacy is found visibly in the early Church, and V1 is not the first definition of papal infallibility. Papal infallibility was defined at the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence (and was believed by the Early Church Fathers such as St. Augustine).
Trying to watch your videos seriously but reading "headstock was slain by Dogagie using [Circumciser]" Had me in tears, lol.
if you are wondering when the text appear is around 4:57
im headstock lol
"Im about to be the first one to be circumsised twice"
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In your "Presbyterianism is the Catholicism of Protestantism and Lutheranism is the Eastern Orthodoxy of Protestantism" joke, I am surprised that you didn't make the obvious joke that "John MacArthur is the Nestorianism/Oriental Orthodoxy of Protestantism."
As a Catholic, I appreciated the very respectful tone of the video, though I would argue the central doctrine of Catholicism is the sacraments and that the papacy only has its importance b/c of the sacraments, not the other way around.
I was raised catholic, but I did get baptized again as an adult to renew and affirm my commitment to Christ. I strongly believe in reconciling the different churches that exist today and believe that both modern day protestants and modern-day Catholics can learn from each other. Christians all around should strictly focus on spreading the Gospel rather than attacking each other on beliefs and practices outside of the ones shared by most Christians. For example, I like the structure of a Catholic service, but enjoy preaching the Gospel publicly using amplified sound. Once the whole world was conquered for Christ, then we can sit down and discuss our differences. The modern world is suffering and needs Christ more than ever. Focus on spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ and preaching against sin. We have a duty to glorify God in our daily lives in every little thing that we do.
Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. - Matthew 16:18
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why is this getting such a terrible dislike ratio? i genuinely dont understand. is it frustrated catholics, frustrated protestants, or angry atheists? no clue. regardless, i thought this was great ( as a catholic). keep up the great, unifying work.
i really liked the video i would say that the church does focuses on early church fathers but on the latin fathers who formed the theological view of western Christianity and the modern papacy they were primarily roman. god bless
I’m glad you addressed your earlier video on Eastern Orthodoxy. Looking forward to your next take on it
Hi Catholic here. I just want to point out that we take our teachings and doctrines from Scripture. We don't just rely on the early Church fathers. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture! (Not trying to condemn or judge or anything just wanted to point that out!). I say this because I feel like the Catholic Church gets accused of not relying on Scripture at all and that we don't take the Word of God seriously.
Also talking about your point on the Papacy is nowhere in Scripture. I know you touched on the point of Jesus saying to Peter, "Upon this rock I will build my Church" and giving him the keys of the Kingdom. But it is also referenced in Thessalonians 2:15 which states, "5 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[a] we passed on to you, whether or by letter."
After listening to Trent Horn for a minute and I think I might be mostly sold on catholics.
I am starting to believe in the papacy. Clearly Jesus had a hierarchical structure. This among the many other reasons.
You should check out Gavin ortlund on truth unites and Jordan b cooper and their videos on Protestantism
@@endygonewild2899 If you watch Gavin Ortlund Vs Trent Horns debate on Sola Scriptura you will start to see how dominating Catholic doctrine is. I went into the debate open minded and came out a much deeper Catholic.
@@Sawceseeker5598
Yeah, I'm not sure about that!
I think even Trent Horn has admitted that there's not much evidence for the papacy in the earliest centuries of the church.
@@Jimmy-iy9pl sola scriptura is a laughable doctrine. It’s completely circular and the Bible explicitly rejects it in 2nd Timothy. Nowhere does Bible say sola scriptura and non of the early church fathers believed in it
very nice bro but you forget that the chatolic was the first one (historically) and all the saints, miracles and good actions the church (chatolic) made. btw your videos are really good! a lot of respect for my brothers protestants
I love your channel so much as a Catholic! Especially your explanations of key biblical concepts! And ofc how you don’t absolutely slander us!
I'm a protestant with the same objections and affinity for Catholicism. Nice to hear someone else having the same thoughts.
@Bones what teachings have the Orthodox persevered that the Catholics don’t that the Protestants still preserve? Why not be Orthodox?
I think people should read Erick Ybarra's The Papacy to show that the Papacy is Biblical and Historical, he quoted one Anglican scholar in the book saying that by Pope Leo in the 4th century you essentially had Vatican I papal claims.
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As a Catholic, I would like to clarify that it is not so much the keys to Heaven, but that Jesus said Peter is the rock that He will build His Church on. That is why we believe in papal supremacy.
"The successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Saint Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
So I am evangelical/baptist-leaning and I laughed reallyyyy hard at "protestant church is just in the back of an Applebee's". 😂😂😂
I absolutely love my church and I do think it's beautiful even though it's not traditional...but it's so true that we'll have church anywhere...and I think it's good to be able to laugh at ourselves 😂. Love your content!!
Come Home to Rome brother!
Book recs:
>"The Case for Catholicism" by Trent Horn
>"Practical Theology" by Peter Kreeft
Also thank you for saying it's not Heretical & that we're doing the best for the Culture!
Come on Zoomer, you know you want to
Love your videos bud. 👍
Yes I do sometimes I must admit
@@redeemedzoomer6053 hmm
@@redeemedzoomer6053 come home bro 😭
@@redeemedzoomer6053just do it and see what happens
Hey, so as a Catholic I will say that you're right about some things, like the Church not being totally consistent throughout history and the fact that papal infallibility wasn't developed fully until Vatican I. However, when you say the doctrine of the papacy isn't really found in the Church fathers' writings, that's not exactly true. Let me shed some light with some examples:
St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130-202 AD) - In his work "Against Heresies" (Book 3, Chapter 3), Irenaeus discusses the apostolic tradition preserved in the Church of Rome, which he sees as founded by Peter and Paul. He emphasizes the importance of the Church of Rome, stating, "It is necessary to obey those who are the presbyters in the Church, those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain mark of truth according to the will of the Father... For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority."
St. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200-258 AD) - In his letter to Antonianus (Letter 55), Cyprian refers to the Church of Rome as the Chair of Peter, stating, "There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one Chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever gathers elsewhere scatters."
St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 339-397 AD) - Ambrose, in his commentary on the Gospel of Luke (6:97), touches upon the significance of Peter's role and, by extension, the role of his successors. He highlights Peter's confession of faith as the foundation upon which the Church is built, underscoring the unique position of Peter among the apostles. In other writings he also describes the "Chair of Peter" as representing the Pope's position.
St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) - Augustine, in his Sermon 295, reflects on the symbol of the keys given to Peter in Matthew 16:18-19 and sees in Peter's primacy a figure for the authority of the Church. He mentions, "For it was not said to him alone, ‘You are Peter’; but, ‘and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ Thus, he represented the Church, which is built upon the rock, and received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’"
St. Jerome (c. 347-420 AD) - In his letters, particularly Letter 15 (to Pope Damasus I), Jerome affirms the primacy of the Bishop of Rome by expressing his adherence to Damasus's teaching and authority, stating, "I speak with the successor of the fisherman, and the disciple of the cross. I, following none as my chief but Christ, am associated in communion with your Beatitude, that is, with the chair of Peter. Upon that rock, I know the Church is built."
These references, among others, illustrate how the Early Church Fathers viewed the role of the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, as a successor to Peter, affirming the special authority and foundational role of Peter and his successors in maintaining the unity and continuity of the Church.
Of course, this interpretation wasn't unanimous across all the early Church fathers, but it was widespread enough that the Pope's role became increasingly important as the Church grew. According to my understanding some of the fathers viewed Peter's confession of faith as the rock upon which the Church is built, whereas others viewed Peter himself as the rock (and by extension the papacy).
Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful conversations. Keep up the good work.
Catholic here. I have a lot of respect for you and many other protestants. I learning about the many traditions in Christianity. I might disagree some with every tradition, but I find the intellectuals of the Faith: Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant strengthen my own faith than hinder it!
I know it’s corny but it warms my heart how people are debating in a civil way. I am catholic and this is absolutely fantastic good as always zoomer
As a Protestant, I really have a lot of love and respect in my heart for our Catholic brothers and sisters. I attended a Catholic university, and I think that Catholicism honestly gets so much right, but I, too, just can’t get past the papacy. My husband and I talked a lot about the possibility of converting, but we ultimately decided against it mainly for that reason.
There are a number of things to respect about Catholicism, but also many concerns, most importantly regarding justification and the papacy
Catholic here, happy to watch your videos and hear your point of view. You have an inspiring faith journey and a realistic ambition for bringing God's Kingdom here.
While each Church is a House of God, some of ours look... Applebeean, for sure. The late 20th century was tough on all of us. St. Thomas the Apostle, Patron Saint of architects, pray for us!
reading the chat is so funny while he's talking
I think you are misunderstanding the doctrine of the papacy. I recommend you google "what to do if you disagree with a church teaching catholic answers". There is an article by catholic answers that explains the church's teaching authority very well. It is ok to disagree with some things and there are varying levels.
I'm born and raised and professing Roman Catholic, I do get your criticism of the infallibility of the Pope meaning the infallibility of the Church and so on. Well evidently the Church is not inerrant as abhorrent things have been committed in the name of the Lord and the Church (inquisition, forced conversion, selling of indulgences without explaining what exactly they are...) But the Church is in my opinion infallible in "the long run". Throughout the centuries and dozens of Schisms the Catholic Church has been consistently united under one hierarchy which means there is less leeway to create divisions. Yes it can be tyrannical but that just further proves the action of the Holy Spirit in guiding the Church through the rule of +250 popes. Finally I have to add that I don't particularly agree with some positions of the Church (especially ministy of women, as I see no basis for such an exclusion in scripture and I believe that tradition should be viewed critically if it's not beneficial to the continuation of God's path to the Salvation of the World). Overall great video and thanks to you I now am starting to have a lot more admiration for real protestant Christians who defend the Faith.
I love your channel and commentaries.
The Bible affirms Tradition is as authoritative as scripture (2 Thess 2:15). Also all Protestants believe in the authoritative tradition of the cannon of scripture being closed even though the Bible does not say that the cannon is closed or that book of Revelation is the final inspired work of scripture. This is something we know since it has been passed on from church tradition.
'Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.'
You sure you meant to reference 2 Timothy 2:15??
Lutherans don't believe in a closed canon.
@@walter1383 good catch, it should have been 2 Thessalonians 2:15
Authority is the point, theologically. Leadership is essential, practically. Infallibility cannot be possible regarding the Bible unless an infallible method (the Church) was used by God to reveal biblical truth. Sin is real even within the Church but God knew that. He works through faithful people (saints) in spite of great sinfulness in every age. The Catholic Church can be likened to Noah’s arc in which many animals likely made the conditions unpleasant. The only way Catholics can bear the stench on the inside is to remember the storm on the outside. Be a saint!
I just want to thankyou for anwsering both my questions from QnA, I was a bit disappointed that you didnt get to them in QnA video, but seeing both questions anwsered in separate videos (other one is Christian dating) is very much appracieated. thankyou.
I’ve had this exact same conversation with my Catholic friends almost monthly :) as a Baptist
Im a eastern catholic but i love your channel to get a fresh perspective and pray that we can be united as christians
As someone who just identifies as Christian (not Protestant or Catholic, but still holds more Protestant views) the ONLY THREE THINGS I have against Catholics is the praying to the saints (which I personally see as Idolatry), the need for Catholics to confide their sins to a priest as children (I went to a Catholic school for the first few years of my school, but when it came to that my mom got pissed off), and also the fact that you are expected to call priests father when I believe you only have to fathers (our Heavenly Father and earthly biological father). Other then that we’re ALL Christian’s and in the “progressive” world we live in now we all need to come together as brothers and sisters in Christ. As a teenage Christian it’s soooooo nice to find a fellow Gen Z Christian who truly loves God. God bless everyone! ❤
In regards to praying to Saints, we ask for their intercessory prayers. In Revelation theres mention of the prayers of Saints and in James it states to “pray for one another” and that the “prayer of a righteous person is powerful.”
Praying isn’t necessarily worship, since prayer has multiple definitions. In context pf praying to the Saints we are making an earnest hope or wish that they pray for us to God, for instance in the Hail Mary prayer we ask “Pray for us Sinners, now and at the hour of our death.” Notice how the words say “pray for us,” and not to Her. Idolatry is the worship of deities (i.e. gods with a lowercase g). We don’t consider saints as dieties, since they’re not gods, but merely humans. In regards to confessing to a priest, we do that because according to scripture, in James 5:16 it states “confess your sins to one another.” Also in the Old Testament people confessed their sins to a priest. As for calling our pastors Father, you’re forgetting that afterwards Jesus said “Call no man teacher,” so if we were to take that literally what would we call our teachers? These are just some explanations for why things are in the Catholic church and are in no way meaning to try to change your mindset or anything, its just important to see our side of the story. God bless 🙏✝️
@@justin36004you know that theres not even one example of people praying to deceased saints in the bible right ? When the bible speak of saints it always mean Christians that are alive like even some catholics admit that theres no biblical support for that doctrine so they rely on tradition and on the church.
@@lad6524 The Saints are alive and well in heaven. They aren’t deceased. Plus theres references in Hebrews, Revelation, and in the deuterocanonical books about prayers to the saints.
@@justin36004 not in hebrews or in revelation in fact no where in the bible even catholics admit it
@@lad6524 if you want to deny this then fine. The matter of the fact is that it is there you choose to deny it.
As an Anglican the only thing that keeps me from being Catholic is that the Church as an institution is holy and infallible.
Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Saint Dionysus of Corinth, Saint Cyprian of Carthage, Saint Irenaeus, Eusebius of Caesarea, and the Martyrs of Lyon would firmly disagree
“Baptist Theology would be the Protestantism of Protestantism” I was cracking up at that
I like how half of this video is just him running around with a watermelon
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I'm an atheist and I love learning about beliefs people have and why they have them, and I just love this guy so much, he's so genuine and just interesting to watch, he's 100% got a sub from me.
Thank you for not hating on the Catholic Church
Before writing my arguments I want to say that I discovered your channel some days ago, and I have liked it very much. As a christian who does not use his entire day to scan the web for christianity videos, I must say that yours have quite literally mesmerized me. So, I wanted to answer to your video, even though I don't usually write comments. I can see very well you concern with church infallinility, but we firstly need to imagine christianity in the early ages. There was this man called Jesus who professed himself as the son of God, and performed miracles wherever He went. So, understandably, after this man died and was resurrected people tried to understand what just happened and they wanted to follow his teachings. There was only one problem: the direct sources about his teachings weren't enough, so, like a kind of detective squad, they had to investigate to comprehend Him. So they argued about anything: from wich gospels were real, to what excactly was He on the Earth for, and every kind of question somebody could come up for after witnessing the literal son of God. They did all of that in councils, wich are non other than just a big debate over what happened in those 33 years. The wisest men were summoned, and after years they come up with the solution, and declared them dogmas, wich some protestant churches still follows. Fast forward a bit, and there are tens of council, with new and new dogmas, because God is such a vast topic that cannot be debated over a single council. And in the meantime the debaters evolved: from early church fathers to scholasticism to today theologians. About your concern over personal theology, we must understand that the Truth is one and one only, so he cannot be interpreted in other ways; the path to God is one and one only. That's why when new dogmas are added there is less freedom of thought about theology: because those are questions already answered by the wisest men of that time, wich knew way more than me or you. Though, on open topic, not answered yet we can share our own personal vision. Then, about the pope, we must not forget that the pope is enlighted by Jesus, who promised to lead his church; but that does not mean that he is always right, he is still human, and that's why there are criterias for invoking papal infallibility (wich, by the way, has been invoked only 2 times in all of church's history). Then, as you said in the early fathers there are only a tiny part of modern catholic doctrines, and that's because, as I have explained earlier, they didn't know what they were talking about and had to find out, arguing, debating, bit by bit, to eventually build modern catholic theology. Finally, about the bible, catholics don't use it as the main source simple because the bible was created by the church, according to its theology, excluding books that were against what church fathers tought were not Christ's teachings (apocrypha). That's the same thing protestant did during the reformation to justify their theology, even though that meant modifying the bible to better be compatible with their ideas and not the contrary. Quick round: As I have knowledge, the Church didn't modify any of his teachings
It's highly amusing to always see the Catholics here (as I'm one myself) all thinking how "Catholic" Redeemed Zoomer seems. I see it too. But I think the reason we all think that, is that as Catholics, we aren't as deep into the nitty-gritty of theology like Zoomer (and Presbyterians generally are). So he sees important differences that we gloss over. Also, for us born into it, it's easier to live Catholicism on a spectrum -- once we're Confirmed, we're still Catholics whether or not we agree with the Pope on every little thing with regards to Church rules; if we feel bad about missing fasting during Lent, we can just go Confess! :) We know the Pope, while respected, is actually almost never speaking infallibly. We may be Lambs of God, but we are not all Sheep of the Clergy! But for Zoomer, coming to it as an adult, I can understand how he really needs to feel he has to be able to intellectually accept the whole official package before choosing a faith.
I think it’s important to not get lost in religion and rally focus on Jesus and build a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. Literally the reason Jesus came was because of the hardened hearts of religious Jews.
Why did you not address the central issue of salvation by grace through faith alone? That should have been the first issue you addressed.
Catholics do believe in salvation by grace through faith alone; it's commonly misinterpreted but what Catholics really believe is the "OBEDIENCE OF FAITH" (Romans 1:16-17).
We don't really have faith if we don't have the faith to follow God's law.
@@redstarshard The Council of Trent formally announced the doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone, and all those who follow it, to be *anathema.* To say Catholics formally don't believe in that, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ, is an understatement.
Mad respect for you Protestants especially Lutherans and Presbyterians from the Catholic Church
As a Catholic, I would like to share my point of view as to why the papacy is a must.
If there is a Pope, who can make clear statements about what is right and wrong regarding our theological beliefs, then we would live up to our name, as "catholic" means "united". If our faith is left up to our interpretation, we risk interpreting scripture wrong. In that case, it is possible to hold heretical ideas.
It is precisely because the Pope can unite the theological understanding of believers that I find the Pope to be necessary.
However, a college of Bishops is also fine. The important part about the papacy, in my opinion, is that there is a ruling authority who can clear up confusing parts of our faith.