Which churches are true/false churches? - KingdomCraft
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- Churches that are explicitly heretical (false Churches)
Mormon: 3:59
Jehovah's Witnesse 4:52
Oneness Pentecostal: 5:09
Christian Scientist: 6:13
Unitarian Universalist: 6:46
Churches that are doubtful, or on the fence, but not definitively heretical
Church of Christ: 8:18
Seventh-Day Adventist: 10:23
Assyrian Church of the East: 12:01
Many that are Non-Denominational: 15:47
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I'm not even Christian, I just find this really interesting and find you really informative and entertaining
He is entertaining and sounds pretty unbiased
@@phillipcummings3518 I wouldn't say unbiased, because a lot of this series is just him giving his opinion, I'd say it's more that he's good at representing the subject and other people's points of view fairly.
@@sk00k that means unbiased
@@phillipcummings3518 not quite. anyone with a stake in the claims being made is biased. it's more like he does a good job of accounting for his bias.
@@unpredictableaxolotl3762 everyone has biases, even if they claim they don't. We are talking about the presentation.
I'm Catholic but I can't help but reference the Lutheran video about trinitarian heresies because it's so well done. "That's MODALISM Patrick" 😂
Lutheran Satire is a beautiful channel.
EY im catholic too
Love all those videos. They meet JWs and Mormons as well 😂
COME ONNNNN, PATRICK
@@gabequinn9796 I mean, REALLY Paaatrick
As a catholic i adore your channel, very well written and informative video's
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Moses: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Jesus: Hear O Israel, Lord, our God is one.
Muhammad: Say: God is One.
Peace be upon them all.
@@KHABIB-TIME muhammad was literally a heretic
@Cheese Grater Same
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@@KHABIB-TIME He is just saying that God is one being, not denying the Trinity
I gotta say, your videos got me back into studying theology and got me back into church. I am Baptist. I have researched theology in the past and I went to church almost every single Sunday, but I married an agnostic, and that has caused me to stop going to church and stopped studying God's Word. I do not blame my husband for that. I blame myself because my mindset turned into "I do still believe in God and my husband's beliefs can not change that or affect my faith." That was sorta true. I never stopped believing in God, but I stopped worshipping Him. I first stopped going to church. Part of that was because we moved and I would need to find a new church home. I started looking at first, but then just stopped. I then stopped reading my Bible. It has a spot in a drawer by my bed and I opened that drawer less and less until I just stopped completely. After a while, I was shaken because I realized I stopped praying. Being married to an agnostic, I started to forget about God, because there were no more reminders of Him in our household. My Bible was put away in a drawer. I could not see it. I stopped wearing my cross necklace. My husband had no interest in going to church or talking about God of course so any effort was completely on me, and I just stopped making the effort. Every once in a while I would be convicted, because I am saved and I believe once you are saved you can not lose your salvation, and I would pull out my Bible again for one day, or we would go to church on Easter, or I would pray on my way to work. The smallest of efforts really, but it was not true devotion at all.
Then a couple of weeks ago I came across your History of the Church video, and then watched your Theology video and something about that just clicked with me. I love history and I love studying theology. I already knew all that stuff in the videos, but them being explained in that way was like relearning it all over again. I realized I missed learning and growing as a person and a Christian. It made me crave being back in that church setting. This last Easter I found my cross necklace that my mother gave me when I turn 13 and I went to church with my husband. This is the reason why I say my disconnect with God is 100% my own doing. My husband has always been supportive of my faith. When I said "I want to go to church." He would come with me. Only ever complained if it was an early service and he wanted to sleep in that day, but he would still go. He never looked down on me for my beliefs. He just never encouraged going if I wasn't the one who brought it up. Although I hope and I do pray that my husband will find his way back to God, I know that I need to focus on my own relationship with God and not let myself forget about Him. Be that example to my husband.
So thank you for your videos. I've also watched your video on how you came to be a Christian and that testimony was inspiring.
That's great to hear, God bless! Praying for you
@@redeemedzoomer6053 what do you think of Origen of Alexandria and the Origenist crisis? Could you maybe make a video on it if you haven't/want to? ❤️☦️
@@thecourierNCR thank you! I’ll check it out for sure!
Yes, good to see you are avoiding to fall the same fate as Solomon did.
i aint reading all that
As a Protestant I respect my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters even though we may not have always aligned on how we glorify God. I also want to thank you for your informative video to help me understand and perhaps help those who have fallen from the teaching of being a Christian. Stay safe and God bless.
I'm always happy to see Protestants who firmly disagree with Catholicism (and Orthodoxy) and yet are vocal about affirming them. I grew up being told Catholicism was demonic, and although I have many disagreements with Rome, I have passionately come to disagree with this notion also.
@@5BBassist4Christ Some Catholics are taught Protestants are heretics. So the extreme feeling is mutual. Thankfully it’s not like that mostly.
@@5BBassist4Christ So long as moral relativism rules the world, Christians simply cannot afford to fight amongst ourselves.
I'm happy that you are understanding like that
a lot of the time in the internet I have to see some radical anti catholic protestants talking down to us that are catholic in comment sections
@@Jadanbr And what's worse, then the radical Catholic extremists get involved and it just becomes one big d%(% measuring competition between a bunch of intolerant know-it-alls! As a Catholic, I really don't get why it would be so hard for us to all just get along as Christians...
The adventist church’s second (of 28) fundamental belief is “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.”
Christian Church / Church of Christ minister here. I appreciate your clarification in this video. I can see where your caution comes from, especially in our practice of not making creeds. (However, most of our churches do have statements of faith available that act like a creed). I would like to address a few concerns you had about us coming out of the Restorationist movements and the 2nd Great Awakening:
1. Our founders did not believe that Christianity was lost. They saw the many denominations as the church divided. Jesus prayed for unity in John 17. Some things that divide the church are denominational names, church traditions and man-made creeds. The original leaders’ goal was to find unity among all denominations rooted in the essentials of the faith. That’s why we are called Christians only.
2. Each of our churches is autonomous, governed by the local body of elders (like the first century church). That is why we don’t have a “denominational stance” - we technically aren’t a denomination. While we share a common heritage and consider other Christian Churches / Churches of Christ to be brothers, the shepherding of each individual flock is the responsibility of the local elders.
So I can understand your question “how do I know that your church is speaking for other Churches of Christ?” In a sense, we aren’t speaking for those other churches. We share the same principles, but there is not a governing body that determines how each congregation operates.
In conclusion, I think all of the Christian Churches / Churches of Christ would agree with the Nicene Creed, but are only hesitant to adopt any official creeds because of the core belief that man-made creeds have the potential to cause division in the church.
That’s interesting, thank you!
Ah yes exclusively worshipping the Bible, just like the first century churches, who didn’t even have all the books of the New Testament yet…I grew up with a great Church of Christ friend and it certainly fascinated me and she was very resolute and thus very inspiring in her faith but that was always a point I didn’t understand lol
@@SaltUnknownyt The above poseter does a good Job at clarifying. We are not against the contents of the creeds, just in creeds themselves, because our goal is unity based on scripture alone. The only creed we accept is the bible. If the Nicaean or any other creed says what the bible says. Then we agree. It is easier to say the bible says something then a group of men at a meeting. They may be right, but what makes them right is that they are agreeing with the bible.
I know a pastor of a Church of Christ and he says that unless the name of your church is "Church of Christ" then you won't go to weapon. It seems he puts more emphasis on the name of the church rather than anything the church preaches. And if you disagree on anything then you are a heretic. Is that a common view of the Church of Christ
Just wondering is Church of Christ the same as the iglesia ni Cristo churches
As a member of the SDA I can try to explain a few things, however I am no expert.
Our "trinity" is well... the Trinity. With one God existing as three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, exist as three distinct persons sharing one essence/substance/nature.
The view of annihilationism comes from our intreptation of the Bible and some theology due a few things which I will try to explain the best way I can.
1. We see the body, mind and "soul" as three indivisible things that can't exist without the other. Take one out of the equation and you don't have a human being anymore;
2. Due to that belive it becomes hard to see a non-corporeal soul on either Hell, Heaven or purgatory (which we also don't belive exists). People are just in unconscious state where they learn nothing, know nothing and are truly incapable of doing anything;
3. When the Serpent lied ( "surely you won't die" ) to Eve we see that as a full on lie. If a person continues as a conscious being after death with all its previous knowledge and the ability to learn new things as if they are still alive, plus sometimes even interact with the world, it's quite hard to say that person is well... dead. So when when death comes to people they are indeed and truly dead;
4. As I am sure many have heard atheists say that a loving God wouldn't eternally torture his children with fire and brimstone. We agree with that;
5. We belive that eventually God will utterly destroy evil and if evil still exists somewhere even if contained in a place (like Hell) then it still exists.
6. People will only go to Heaven after they either are A (resurrected but saved) or B (alive but saved) on the Apocalypse;
7. People who aren't saved will be destroyed in the end, they will be gone. No eternal hellfire or anything they are gone.
Our view of Ellen G. White is that she is one of our church fathers (in this case mother) and a prophetess. However by her own words if we perceive a conflict between her words and the Bible we should choose the Bible.
The young earth creationism is a big problem yes, however a the educated members who belive in that say it's less that everything is 6000 thousand years old but rather the world as we know it is that age.
Greetings Brother, I'm SDA too and I was just telling him the same, SDA does not deny the Nicean Creed, and one would hardly find any SDA who does.
Does the lake of fire not exist?
@@EdoKu18 Hello, nice seeing others out here.
Plus with the exception of a few things (Ellen G. White, Investigative Judgement and keeping the Sabbath in Saturday) we are not that different from other Evangelical Protestant denominations.
@@stefanofialho5484 I agree, in the 70's and 60's scholars had this same debate and was already settled that SDA Church was just another Protestant church.
And recently I'm noticing this debate to arise once again, it seems like after some years it all starts over again and again, even though it is settled.
@@Lollololplolpllplpl If I remember correctly (probably not) our theology says that "the lake of fire" will only be used in end times to fully destroy evil. A permanent consequence for sinners that choose not to repent rather than a permanent punishment.
Currently doing exchange in South Korea and the number of cults with false messiahs is insane. And they're HUGE
I go to college in Florida and there was a guy preaching about a Korean "messiah". So bizarre.
I’ve been approached about the heavenly mother here and they don’t like it when I start doing a Bible study with them.
I mean that’s an opinion
when you have a capitalistic authoritarian dystopian government as your basis of a nation, you get a LOT of f*cked up things rise up, and unfortunately a lot of countries still look up to South Korea, it's actually insanely funny
KOJC cult leader f- said that he is the appointed Son of God
I think the non-denom example more so shows how important it is to have a plurality of elders rather than one “head pastor” or else people follow the pastor rather then the Word itself.
Yeah, we in the Church of Christ try to follow the Biblical example of what the early church did and you can see that it was ruled by a plurality of elders.
I go to a Non-denom church does have a Lead Pastor, however we do have a Board of Elders that is above him and he allows the other pastors, such as the Next Gen Pastor (Admin over youth and kids) and Connections Pastor, speak fairly often.
A number of elders is preferable, but not a total defence against error. The early Christian congregation used a number of elders but fell into error almost immediately, even in the Bible itself the apostles had to defend against judaisers, a sorceress and Gnostics, and it got worse after the last apostle died.
@@madelinegrcwow that’s horrible
I go to a non-denominational church, and we too have a board of elders. Which has saved us trouble when we had to kick out a pastor for immoral behavior.
I'm curious why you are so convinced that the nicean creed is a valid starting point in defining what counts as Christian. The creed was debated and voted on, (like a piece of legislation,) hundreds of years after Christ and the apostles were dead, and in a historical context, has clear influence from greek culture of the time. I don't see what gives it so much authority, when the bible is what should be used to determine what Christianity is. Many of the concepts that the creed espouses, even dominant ones like the Trinity, are not explicitly biblical (the term "Trinity" is never used in scripture for example) but rather are often the theologian's specific interpretations. Theologians don't speak for God, they are not prophets, so their "interpretation" shouldn't be a basis for determining doctrine. Remember that the "theologians" of Christ's day were the Pharisees, who despite studying the Law their whole lives, completely missed it's meaning. Jesus made this clear in his ministry. Do you really think the nicean creed stands up to scrutiny?
Nice to see someone thinking something similar to me in a year old video. I can discuss trinity, but what bothers me so much is talking about the Nicean creed as some sort of biblical canon. The apostles worshiped the Father, prayed to him, not to Jesus, so saying that being a christian MEANS worshiping Jesus (we can even discuss the word used in John 9:35, as in some translation it says "worshiped him" and in others it says "bowed to him" like Young's literal translation. I have seen people defend the Trinity with that passage saying that Jesus didnt deny worship, and that if he was not God he would have.)
My point being, the nicean creed being the basis for being christian is just not true
Seventh day Adventists do NOT deny the nicean creed. Just saying.
Amen
zoomer historian dropped the ball on this one, plus with the false equivalence of annihilation with atheist view of annihilation
Look Zoomer. If you are reading this. It is *clearly* written. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should NOT PERISH but have EVERLASTING life.
The whole spiel he had on SDA was so half-hearted it's ridiculous.
It's complete nonsense logically speaking. Come on. God is love. He would not damn sinners to eternal torture. That is not love. Plus eternal torture means eternal life because clearly they have to live to be experiencing that pain.
@@epsilon3821I don't relish the thought of eternal hell. But I will not die saying that Christ was a liar. Because that is what you call him when you say eternal hell is not real when Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude and John all clearly teach an eternal hell.
Depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
If you can't understand those plain words, I don't know what else to say. But call Christ a liar I won't.
@@tomy8339 Yes, eternal fire. The lake of fire. God's love is an eternal fire that BURNS AWAY all sins. That does not prove that sin will continue to exist that the devil will live burning forever in that fire. It is written in revelation that all sinners will be no more. You are misinterpreting Christ's words.
Catholic here. I have been loving your videos and explanations about everything. I just wanted to thank you for these informative videos and can't wait for more !!
I wish all Orthodox Christians a wonderful Pascha. Please Pray for the Orthodox Christians who are being actively persecuted in Ukraine. They are removing monks from monasteries that have been there for 1,000 years. Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy and save us.
Amen
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its cool to see SDA representation! I am a seventh day adventist and i have to be honest, in a lot more liberal leaning SDA churches the thoughts or validity of Ellen G White is held as trivial information and/or more as “advice” and less gospel. I myself think this way, and the only real way to pick me out of a crowd as an SDA is that I go to church on Saturday.
I'm in the same boat and agree with you
Yeah I think especially in the younger generations we tend not to hold her in such high regard. There was a major swing to Fundamentalism back in the 60's where they really tried to drive hard her importance which is why a lot of SDA boomers can't stop talking about her. If you check the Adventist History Podcast, they break it down very well.
i dont get it, why would anyone think sabbat is not saturday?? its in the 10 commandments of any word-to-word translated bible. sabbat is the 7th day after he created everything where he rested, thats why its the saturday.
if some folks want to worship the resurrection of jesus on sunday, thats fine. you can do both, worship sabbat on saturday and worship resurrection on sunday. didnt jesus himself do the sabbat?
in my understanding you can even go to mass on sunday if you still worship and respect the sabbat on saturday.
i do not even understand how this is a discussion.
He represented us as borderline heretical, in what shape or form is that good thing? And he represented us poorly, you can tell that he didn't research the views of the SDA. We literally have an official website. Keep in mind the protestant reformers were called "heretics" and were watching a protestant side with the Catholic Church to call other protestant heretics while ignoring the Catholic Church. It's hypocrisy!
Don't try to be accepted by the world, we Adventist are different in many points of scripture, not just about the Sabbath. Your " liberal" Adventist Church sounds like an Apostasy, if you believe we're only different by going to church on a Saturday...
If you buckle under lying criticisms like this, then how will you stand for Jesus?
I am a progressive agnostic, and this is one of my default channels for Christian and Christ related information- I appreciate the perspective greatly, despite my different viewpoints.
Progressive agnostic? I never heard of something like it, didn't think agnostics would have anything like branches either
@@aiwaschawa5272 politically progressive as well as someone who is secular
@@krustytheclown6840 Oh that makes way more sense, hope you continue to appreciate theology
May you find the love and grace of Jesus Christ.
I grew up Baptist and despite growing up in the church I couldn't say with all certainty that I believe Jesus to be the Christ. They're kind people with a sense of integrity and compassion but I simply could not accept that Jesus was and is the Messsiah of the Jews. As much as Christianty is about morals and our lives here on Earth and how we behave with God and humanity so many people go to church for the morals and bible study and ignore what Christ /messiah would mean to the Jews. Even Messianic Jews existing doesn't convince me even if it once did give me joy to know that some Jews accept Christ. If I was going to be honest with myself I had to look into why historically Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah. Their messiah is supposed to have all nations turn to God and worship only him without proselytizing or evangelizing. All nations will become monotheistic following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at his arrival. And as much as I like his parables, Jesus didn't make that happen. And even if Jesus died excruciatngly and for mankind that would still not be what makes him Messiah.
And I'm sure if Jesus existed he was a decent guy but I could never call him God without feeling like an idolator. I could believe he was a righteous man but I could never believe he was divine and I could come to terms that he may have died a painful death. But the passion of the Christ, his compassion with humanity, and suffering could not convince me that he is King of the Jews. I could feel pity but not acceptance of him being the Christ.
I feel as though a lot of people convert to Chrstianity because "look what Christ did for you, he died for humanity, because God sent him so". That he cares. When tat's not what it would take to convince a Jew that they judged him too quickly.
And I believe wholeheartedly that most pastors, priests, bisops, presbyters, believe what they teach and aren't knowingly tricking people. I believe that they believe it's the truth just as much as I truly know I believed when I was 12-15. I don't what it was. If it was the Holy Spirit or not but I believe with conviction that I did once truly believe and that my faith was sincere when I held it. But as someone born into a Baptist church a false and insincere profession that Jesus is the Christ is worse than openly rejecting him. At least according to me it is. I'm not really sure what Baptist churches would say about that but the Baptist church has such limited authority over it's congregation that it doesn't really matter. We do tend to be very individualistic and because of that I cannot say with all sincerity and integrity, even between just me and God, that I believe. I rather not pretend to be a Christian and lie for the sake of my parents, my church, or myself. Hypocrisy hurts more than reputation and family. I cannot teach or preach what I do not believe. It would be dishonest to both me and God.
And I'm not saying only Baptists can be this critical about the individual professing their belief or rejecting it. I'm just saying that I don't think anyone can ever believe in something if they aren't given the option to reject it and since Baptists don't do baby baptisms there is a stronger sense of getting baptized because you chose for yourself that you want to do it and not simply by obligation or expectation. Although this "choice" easily gets countered if you're born into the religion and not converted since your parents hope and expect you to accept Christ just as much as they do. Is it really that personal of a choice if you feel you may disappoint or concern your parents?
Anyway, that's my Jesus Christ crisis. Good day!
The seventh day Adventist church doesn't deny the Nicene creed.
Correct
makes me wonder where this guy gets his facts🤔
@@leece_dunstan_zw1170 Unfortunately it's clear he didn't have any diligence researching SDA
For a church to be Christian they must accept the Holy trinity, accept that what God is on what the Bible says about him.
Who determines what the Bible says?
Even in non-denominational churches or other congregational style evangelical churches, it's not always just up to the pastor, there is usually a board or group of elders that oversee the pastor. Of course this varies wildly from one church to another
I went to a Non Denom where it was discovered the Pastor was up to some sinful shenanigans. The Elders quickly relieved him of his role.
I have heard stories though of churches splitting over situations like that. So I can 100% appreciate where the poster is coming from talking about with following pastors.
It’s interesting to hear about why some may think Church of Christ is suspicious. Personally, I spent my whole life drifting between churches due to my family moving a lot, but found out about CoC when I started going to a Christian college that was CoC. Honestly the worst thing I can say about it is that can make people uncomfortable because they teach (or at least the people in my college teach) a ton about the historic context on the Bible as they believe that the authors of the whole Bible weren’t writing explicitly for us gentiles reading the Bible 2000 years later. Like the letters of Paul weren’t meant to be addressed to every church everywhere but were first written to give guidance to the specific churches with the specific problems they were having. Regardless of that though, it is of upmost importance to still follow what Paul wrote about because it’s extremely important teaching and it’s part of the Bible which gives it ultimate authority as the Word. I don’t believe it undermines the Bible to know the historic setting that it was written in but I can understand how it can be a unsettling thing to say that Paul’a letters, as an example, were not tailor made to solve problems of the modern person but were designed to be letters to benefit the audience that would read or listen to the letters at the time of Paul’s life. Despite that, we still find immense value in them as they still teachings of God as well as his will combined with the fact that God never changes and is eternal. I can also confirm that they believe in the trinity in a traditional sense. They believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and believe that all three are divine with Jesus being both divine and man.
I hope I didn’t make things too confusing. I just wanted to make a statement as someone who just started going to CoC after spending my life going to a Catholic high school with mass every Wednesday and going to dozens of different churches without really being raised in the teachings of one particular denomination. Just thought I might have been able to provide decent insight.
They're right. The Bible wasn't written for our times. But The Holy Text was. Good Wizard (G-d for short) says in Austin 3:19 "G-d Most High in his unmatched wisdom revealed his magic truths in an age of mass communication so no one has to get His Word second-or-third-hand." This revelation is happening in our time because there are enough ppl familiar with the magcial savior Harry Potter and ready to receive their scholarships to Hogwarts paid for by his victory over Voldmeort.
The biggest problem with CoC is that they believe in both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, so that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. This flies in the face of 1 John 5:13 where the assurance of salvation is based on present not past faith. Even worse, some in the CoC even teach that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then your baptism is invalid. So there is an ecumenical problem in general where one side views the other side as unbelievers. And apparently they believe you can sin away your salvation (rather than only by apostasy) so evangelicals will usually accuse them of teaching works.
@@maxxiong Yes, most Churches of Christ (I say most because it's not a unified denomination, they are just autonomous congregations that try to go strictly by the Bible and nothing else) believe that if a baptism is performed on an unbeliever it is invalid. I don't see how this contradicts 1 John 5:13? We believe that if you believe, repent, confess, and are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you will receive the gift of eternal life. I've also never heard of people teaching that if you believe your sins are forgiven before baptism then baptism is invalid. We don't believe everyone else is unbelievers. We just try to go by the only authoritative truth, God's word, the best we can. We don't believe you can sin away your salvation, only if you become unrepentant and stop walking in the light.
@@bliots8369 There are churches of christ that teach one has to believe baptism actually forgives sins to be saved.
Bascially the argument from 1 John 5:13 is that assurance is being based on present faith, not past faith. If one affirms both believer's baptism and baptismal regeneration, then the necessary consequence is that assurance also depends on the faith at the point of baptism.
@@maxxiongI grew up in the CoC. It is admittedly difficult to pinpoint what CoC explicitly is due to it being Congregationalist in nature, so each CoC can teach their own message. It’s more of a movement than a denomination.
Now, it is possible for a CoC to deviate so far that other CoCs may choose not to recognize them as a fellow CoC. But most are in the same ballpark on most issues.
Some will use the nicine creed, some won’t. Some will use it but not call it that in order to fulfill the traditional CoC doctrine of not aligning with formalized creeds as the only, “creed,” is meant to be the Bible itself.
My CoC believed baptism only is valid for those mature enough to understand it, so child baptism was not a thing. We believed that salvation could be lost only through apostasy. And we believed salvation through faith but that the best sign that your faith is valid was doing works. It wasn’t the works that saved you but the faith that compelled those works.
I would love a video covering a deep dive into Seventh-Day Adventism. Being raised in the church, father being a pastor, and having family ties all the way up to administration throughout the general conference, I've been presented with satesfying answers to nearly any and every qualm/question I had regarding the church and our beliefs. I would love to hear your thoughts in far more detail and scrutinization.
hey im an sda too. This guy saying "worshiping on Saturday isnt explicitly heretical..." while its literally in the 10 commandments is sorta funny.
Lol yeah I kinda laughed at that too. Jesus who was a Jew and attended “church” on Saturday would be a little suspicious in his eyes.
I also found it interesting that having a prophetess seems to separate us. Even though we give her less authority than a lot of the other “ Christian” religions give their leaders
Well he only got 20% right on SDA.
No Ellen G White never claimed to be a prophetess, only receiving the gift of prophecy in which she doubted so much that she went to get her visions testified by every known pastor in her area, so it was very likely these where of the Holy Spirit.
She didnt base it off a failed second coming date, that was William Miller the founder of the millerites and she never based off SDA of of them.
They believe in a mix of Annihilationism and torment, where you do suffer to a certain degree before your soul gets quenched into the flames, very scary stuff.
So yeah, SDA has the fundamentals down, the Bible is the standard and foundation they base off of everything, and we invite you to come visit if you made it this far reading ❤🙏
@@matthewpauls2498 10 commandments are in the old testament, it is the Mosaic law for Jews which Jesus has already fulfilled. Christians are under the new testament, a new covenant with God and 10 commandments have no bind on us.
@@CYC_JP so then we should kill and commit adultery? We should lie and have other Gods now? If we are living under a new covenant it does t mean God’s first covenant is destroyed. Jesus kept the 10 commandments while living on earth. He left that example to us. So yes, The Sabbath, 4th commandment is still relevant. God never changed his Holy Day. 6 days of creation, 7th day of rest. It has always been since the beginning of time. God never threw them out when Jesus came. It’s just completely false to think that the 10 commandments are nothing. They won’t give you salvation, obviously, but it is still the word of God, and never did he explicitly say they were done with. Again I ask, if we no longer keep the 10 commandments, then can I kill, lie, cheat, have other Gods, covet etc. and I will still go to heaven? When we truly follow Christ we follow his example. He followed the 10 commandments out of love and worship. Not for salvation.
I'm a nondenominational christian who attends baptist church and works in a catholic school, and I, interestingly, have the opposite mindset of what you described nondenominationals as. Instead of picking a single priest or pastor to follow, I instead take insight from many different teachers but ultimately strive to follow Jesus. I fear that I may fall in the trap of following a single denominational leader or a set of preferences if I commit to a denomination. I want to serve any true church denomination that I can so that they can fulfill their mission for God.
It is a very interesting take on non-denominationalism that I never thought about. I enjoyed the video very much!
One of the reasons the Churches of Christ don't always say the same thing is because each church is autonomous. We don't have a headquarters or a leader like denominations, so the churches sometimes vary depending on where they are in the world, but thankfully, it's mostly over trivial matters. Also, the reason we don't acknowledge the creed is because we don't support following anything but the Bible. We already have the Bible so there is no need for another list of rules when we already have one. Hope this clears some stuff up! Love the video.
I can vouch for this! My husband grew up in a church of Christ and I've been going for a little over 4 years. The one I go to will do things with local congregations (other Churches of Christ) like singing services, but nothing for headquarters or anything like that. A friend of mine came from a different church of Christ and was telling me of some seriously questionable things that his pastor was saying. Unfortunately these churches may have the same name, but some may believe different things. Thankfully, like you said, mostly over trivial things, but sometimes it is over doctrine itself. Be very careful and always look to the Bible to see if they are preaching truth.
LOVE how many CoC brothers and sisters are commenting here! I'm also a Church of Christ member and absolutely love it.
@@katkisaiah40_8 same!
Agreed. We don't acknowledge the nicene creed because we don't believe in any human authority and only look to the bible. As it turns out though, the nicene creed is stating pretty obvious teachings of the Bible, so as a result every single church of Christ i have ever walked into (a lot) hit every one of the essential elements consistently, and can name a book, chapter, and verse to back it up.
1. cool there is this many church of Christ members I’ve literally never seen one in public besides Nauvoo and Kirkland. You guys do have a head quarters in independence Missouri i thought?
Adventist here, just a quick point we do believe in the trinity and accept the Nicene Creed. though in the early history of the church it was rejected by pioneers like James White, (Ellen's Husband) Who initially felt it was too Catholic. as the Church was looking for it's footing there was a lot of weighing where the influences that made up the current church came from. If you want more info on what we define as The Trinity Check the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, it's the clearest statement of SDA beliefs. Keep making great vids and cheers.
100% agree with you!
I don’t know. When I was growing up SDA, and after I became baptist, they insisted that they were anti-credal.
@@mmtoss6530the 28 fundamental beliefs is created to avoid confusion among SDA churches. Please avoid basing off word of mouth as any person in any community that claim anything otherwise that contradicts the core doctrines of their group.
@@mmtoss6530 you are correct
Been really enjoying your content, brother. Keep it up!
I'd agree with some of your problems with Mormonism (I'm Mormon) based upon your criteria. One thing I would say is that the doctrine of God once being man is definitely not something that is preached, I don't know if it once was but we believe God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and is unchanging. In Alma it says his course is one Eternal Round, and he does not change. Just thought I'd clear that up.
I agree. However, when you said that you agreed with some of his problems with the LDS Church, what problems of his did you agree with specifically?
I didn’t expect the Book of Mormon to come in clutch
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Joseph Smith taught in April 1844:
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is
the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who
upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,-I say, if you were to see him
today, you would see him like a man in form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a
man. . . .
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I’m so glad I found your site . I’m really glad for the education. God bless brother.✝️🙏🏾
Keep up the great work man, glad to see God using you & your channel to bring more people to a true historic faith in Christ.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we do not deny the eternal nature of God. In fact, like God, we are all eternal beings. In our current mortal state, we cannot comprehend the concept of eternity. Heavenly Father set us on this on this earth so that we could learn to become like him. Of course, the only way that is possible is by turning to Christ and following his example. He personally volunteered to come down to this earth, establish His gospel, and then suffer and die for us, so that we could be resurrected and return to live with God again. I know of these things to be true through personal study, prayer, and revelation. I bear this testimony in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen
As long as you know that you guys are heretics 🤷🏿♀️
I’m a Member of the Church as well and I just found this guys lack of knowledge and false claims about our church to be incredibly disrespectful.
I am in your ranks with Christ by our side. Amen
I pray for you to come to the true church and the true body of Christ.
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" Matthew 15-16
Please think and investigate about the fruits of your church and compare it to the charity or social impact of Catholicism or Protestantism.
I am seventh day adventist but I like the videos I will be praying for you.
Great videos, and that Minecraft cathedral you're building is coming along really nicely!
As a Witness, I was excited to see us mentioned, although briefly. You are correct, we don't believe in the Trinity. We believe God is the God of the Old Testament (Jehovah).
We believe God created Jesus, and then created Earth and mankind WITH Jesus. Our salvation though is still through Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins.
We believe Jesus is King in heaven, but Jehovah is still the Father.
I do like your videos, keep them up! I will accept the heretic title and continue watching xD
sup brother
Same brother
Thank you for making this comment
The „silent return“?
I'm a Coptic Orthodox, really enjoyed your videos explaining denominations as well as this one.. well done
As a member of the church of Christ, I can assure you we simply follow what the Bible says, mostly in a literal way, but some things are obviously metaphorical like that the wine and bread aren’t actually blood and flesh. We believe pretty much everything you’ve listed but we do believe that mainline churches were misled by false prophets, so this we imitate the churches in the book of Acts. Also confessions are done in a different way, we have a thing called D group where we discuss our sins and share Bible verses to help each other grow and repent. The reason we don’t follow the Nicene Creed is that it’s not mentioned in the Bible as a requirement for the church.
Love this.
The Nicaean Creed is politics.
Is salvation by through faith alone in Christ?
@@piginablanket8177 through Gods grace alone and we are saved through our faith yes.
@@Pushing_Pixels Nicene :)
These videos are fascinating thank you for making them, they've helped me to understand theology better. I recently converted to Christianity and attend a Uniting Methodist church. I think no matter which denomination we belong to I am happy to break bread with you all. We all worship one God
Eastern Orthodox Christian here, I love your channel, these videos are mad entertaining
I like how the commentary is a lesson in theology and the background is all like: C O W
I'm probably your biggest reformed high Anglican fan. Keep up the good work. Your videos are top quality. Btw coming from a millennial, you give me hope in zoomers. Keep preaching my Presbyterian brother.
I started watching your videos these days and I found them very informative and resourceful. And you know, i think the graphics presentation is better than the kingdomcraft one.
Just a comment, Annihilationism is present in much more than Adventist theology. It was present in the theology of some early Catholic fathers and is still a view held by some protestants in mainline denominations. You see it rarely in Evangelical circles but it's not completely absent there either.
John Stot, calvinist theologian, believed in Annihilationism and that it is a completely biblically valid position on eternal punishment.
Also Some Jews didn't believe in after life either.
Annihilationism was condemned as heretical by the Catholic Church
I have a friend who belongs to the Church of Christ. One time she gave me a bulletin from her church, which had teachings within it that really shocked me. It said that it was a sin to praise God with musical instruments - apparently they only sing acapella in those churches - and amazingly, that a person might lose their salvation if they praised God with anything but their own voice. I love this friend of mine who belongs to this church, and I am not criticizing her because she is a wonderful and loving person. But I must say, I find this particular teaching about music bizarre to say the least - I can't imagine why they think someone can go to hell because they played a musical instrument in church.
As a member of the church of christ I can tell you that we don't necessarily believe that participating in instrumental worship is a automatic sentence straight to hell, however we still avoid it. The main reason being that instrumental worship is never directly commanded, only ever singing songs of praise and worship to God. Secondly there is a historical precedent of noninstrumental music being the norm up until around the 1600s. And Lastly we can see such as in the example of Nadab and Abihu in Leviticus 10:1-2 that there are certainly wrong ways to worship God. Even in this small example we can see that worshiping God incorrectly, One exists, and Two has real consequnces. So since instrumental worship is not commanded nor was it common in the early church, it is a good idea to avoid it because it most likely is not from God and if we worship God in a way that he never commanded we could face eternal consequnces.
@@tarpmaster31 Thank you for your explanation, I appreciate that. I guess what really makes me scratch my head about this teaching is the number of times the Old Testament talks about praising God with instruments - some verses actually do sound a bit like commands to me, or at least encouragement. In the Psalms especially, there are so many mentions of instruments - such as Psalm 150:3-5 "Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!" It sounds to me like God loves to hear any noise joyfully made in His honour. But as I said, I do appreciate you sharing your point of view, it helps me to understand my friend better. God bless.
A not as good way to put it but short is “ Do you really want to risk salvation over a couple of notes”?
@@Laura_B__ We don't follow the old testament anymore, we are under the new law. The new testament never mentions anything about instruments in worship, but it DOES mention singing, so we just sing instead of adding instruments.
The church of Christ I attend will make a similar argument (not straight to hell, but they avoid instruments in worship), however at the same time, some women wear head coverings and some don't, and there are arguments for both sides. Yes, there are wrong ways to worship God, but aren't those explicitly listed in the Bible? Something that important would have to be, right? That's one of the teachings that I'm not 100% on board with, but I understand that big "worship bands" have a danger of being all for them and for show rather than glorifying God. There is someone in my church who will play harp in their free time, then on the complete other end of the spectrum, someone who believes that any music with instruments is sinful (because everything must be done for God's glory, therefore xyz) it really confuses me and I get caught up in it rather than glorifying God as I should sometimes. I'm working on getting better
you had mentioned Quakers as a borderline group in the denominations video but they weren’t mentioned here, i’m very curious to know why you put them there as I couldn’t find anything in my own (limited) research that puts them there, and I graduated from a Christian university with Quaker roots so I have a very vested interest in knowing this
I was thinking about them! He had mentioned them in an instagram post
Quakerism is hyper sectionalized and there are “nontheist” Quakers. And overall, from what I can determine, Quakers border on being Gnostic at times. Of course that’s just my opinion and I how interpreted it. I’m sure a man of the oats could explain their motivations better than I could. Still good people though.
Same my church and camo are quaker
Quakers don't have a set doctrine, so you can't say any one thing applies to all Quakers. Not just between different congregation, but between different people. We're a lot like Jewish people in that way (whom we have a lot of close ties to). 2 people, 3 opinions.
Not all Quakers are like that, but some are basically UUs.
Very nice video Brother. Much love from the Orthodox Church. ❤️☦️
I was really interested to see Church of Christ on here, but you make some good points.
Because we are so heavy on church polity, it really is difficult to ascertain a straight answer on what CoC believes. You’ll find some variation church by church, from one-cup communion to female head covering, wine to grape juice. Having grown up CoC and attended churches across the nation, I feel qualified to state the hard points that define a CoC.
As the Church of Christ spawned as the most conservative product of the Restoration Movement, the Restoration Movement was created by Presbyterian ministers, therefore much of the belief system is the same.
No creeds: while CoC rejects any creed not found in the Bible itself, because basis of the Nicene creed is scriptural, CoC rigidly adheres to each of its tenets while rejecting the authority of the creed itself. That the CoC doesn’t hold the creeds of 4th century orthodoxies to be holy does not mean you can reject the Trinity or the importance of the Sacraments. You will not find any variation within the CoC on this matter. If a creed is scriptural, it should follow what the CoC does. If the creed is not supported by scripture, no church should follow it. Scripture doesn’t follow the doctrine of a church. The doctrine must follow scripture and nothing else.
Communion is administered weekly, freely given, with each judging themself rightly and worthy to receive it in accordance with the synoptic gospels and 1 Corinthians 11. You’ll find some variation, as stated above: some churches pass one cup, most do the standard shot cups. Some use wine, most use grape juice. Otherwise, the importance and format is the same throughout.
Baptism is for believers, and is given in conjunction with confession and repentance for the remission of sins, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You will find no variation, and from what you’ve put forth I believe we’re on the same page.
Other than that, our most famous sticking point is acapella singing. Tbh, there’s less evidence in scripture against it than so many other things, but it’s a hallmark of the CoC. If you see instruments, you’re not in a CoC. We literally split from the Disciples of Christ over it, going as far as to inform the US Census Bureau so they wouldn’t confuse us with them. Idk. It sounds great when lead right.
And yeah, rarely you’ll see women practicing head covering. Some churches are for, some against, some have a mix. So far I haven’t seen any huge hardline rifts over it and most are in the standard mainline Protestant “it’s figurative” camp on 1 Cor 11. It’s worth a study.
You made a good point about non-denoms being basically whatever the pastor decides. This is another thing you will never find in a CoC, despite lacking any formal authority or creed above the congregational level. There are several reasons for this. Chiefly, the Church of Christ operates off of the same manual as all of Christendom: the Bible. If you’ve got the same manual we do, and you follow it, there is little room for variation (relatively anyway; you get my point).
The next is that we reject the concept of a pastor. That is, reject the concept that one man has the authority to direct church doctrine and lead the teaching and preaching of that church. We believe in a plurality of elders (meeting the qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus). This is at minimum two, but typically three or more men who enforce the doctrine of the church. Under them, deacons are appointed (again, only men meeting 1 Timothy qualifications) as needed to efficiently handle the business of the church (these roles can be anything from finance to outreach, charity, and teaching). In absence of enough qualified men (a very small church typically), doctrine will be enforced by all men democratically instead, again, using just Scripture as the manual, until a plurality of qualified elders can be obtained . Often, the paid preacher or evangelist isn’t an elder, nor are the elders paid by the church. You’ll also, in a healthy church, find that much of the ministry is done by individual members, and sometimes there won’t even be a paid minister at all, as the men of the church each share those tasks as part of their own personal study and growth.
It’s also not true that CoC has truly rigid church polity. Every church I’ve been to, nationwide, fraternizes with other CoCs. Most states or regions have lectureships where all nearby churches gather and share teaching, and there are widely accepted CoC schools such is Sunset International Bible Institute. As such, it’s incredibly rare to see a whole congregation fall away despite the lack of formal hierarchy or creed.
Anyways, I hope this helped clarify a few things. Kind of a shame we got on the naughty list but I hope I set some things right.
Loving your content. Your videos have been very edifying for me. My only complaint is either the music is too loud or your vocal volume is too low.
Agreed
Yeah the music was quite distracting for me at times which was a shame, the content is great though!
As a Seventh-Day Adventist I can let you know that we do believe in the holy Trinity of the Father the son and the holy ghost. I won't blame you for not knowing this simply because we're not very good at telling people what we believe. And as far as the state of the Dead an ecclesiastic 9:5 it talks about when we are dead we know nothing until Jesus comes it's not that we believe that you won't be raised from the dead we just believes that you're dead until Jesus comes he don't go straight to heaven or hell you were just in the ground
yeah of course but like the creed is literally on the website... is really clear lol.
I found your channel yesterday when I was literally spending my short time on the internet. Now, here I am listening continuasly your experiences with God, knowledges about the Reform and the Word at all while I'm editing my essay about rights and nursing cares for disabled children. Thank you for what I consider a high quality content and real christianism.
P.S.: I was a leftist too in the high school. If I could, I'd erase that period of my life HAHAHA
God bless you, and everyone who are reading this comment. If you want to know, I'm from the south of Brazil (sorry for my bad English).
Oremos por mais brasileiros cristãos que busquem aprender mais sobre a nossa fé.
Leftist is not an antonym of Christian you know. The are plenty of leftist Christians. Blame Evangelicals for convincing people religion and politics are intertwined.
"É ele que nos conforta em toda a nossa tribulação, para podermos consolar os que estiverem em qualquer angústia, com a consolação com que nós mesmos somos contemplados por Deus." (2 Coríntios 1:4)
Thanks for answering my question on what makes a church Christian or not. Looks like lots of people had the same. Keep up the good work.
I find it funny that as a 7th day Adventist, that I knew basically nothing mentioned on the denomination.
Hahahah, yeah a lot of us end up SDA in name only, similar to most of Christianity.
I made a comment that responded to everything he said about Seventh day Adventists. I’ll find it put it in a reply to you.
Warning! Wall of text incoming.
Ellen white didn’t found the SDA church. She was a founding member but not the founder. Additionally she isn’t a prophetess. She claims no authority over the Bible. She herself said if she says anything that disagrees with the Bible then go with what the Bible said.
Additionally we don’t believe true Christianity was lost. We believe that true followers of God have existed in every age. We do believe the mainstream church was horribly corrupted, and that the reformation was led by the Holy Spirit.
Seventh Day Adventists did have an origin stemming from the Millerite movement. That movement used the book of Daniel to predict the Cleansing of the Sanctuary to happen in 1844. People thought the earth was the sanctuary so they thought Jesus was going to cleanse the earth then. When He didn’t return three groups of thought came out of that. One group decided the whole thing was hog wash, another thought the date was calculated wrong, and the third thought we misunderstood what the sanctuary was. The founders of the SDA church were a part of that last one. We believe that we had the date right but that the sanctuary was the heavenly sanctuary. The one that the earthly tabernacle and temple were modeled after. And that Jesus had begun the duties of the High Priest in heaven by entering the Fathers presence, as was done in the cleansing of the sanctuary during Passover.
As you can guess from that description we believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three entities. We believe that together they are God. As far as I can understand that is what trinitarianism is.
The anihilationism belief and the Saturday worship are both Biblically based. The more important of the two is the Saturday worship, since that is written into the Ten Commandments. We believe that if the day we worship on doesn’t matter then God wouldn’t have specified it. We also believe that the change of Saturday to Sunday was done to make it easier for pagans to be Christian without having to change their behavior. We don’t believe humans that the right or ability to change God’s eternal law.
The Anihilationism stems from several verses in the Bible. In Ecclesiastes it is said that the living know they shall die, but the dead know nothing. In the Gospels Jesus described Lazarus as being asleep, meaning that he was dead. And since it was also said that the wages of sin is death, and that Jesus died so we could have eternal life, then the wicked will not burn in hell forever and ever. That would require them to live forever. The phrase forever and ever itself was an idiom at the time Revelation was written. It could mean literally forever, or it could mean as long as circumstances apply, or until completion. The later two interpretations make more sense when we take into account that unrepentant sinners can’t live forever.
We depart from tradition because we believe tradition has departed from the Bible. We also believe that holding tradition in such high regard is what led to the Jewish leaders from being unable to recognize who Jesus was and what the messiah’s mission entailed.
Yes we do believe in young earth creation. Or at the very least, seven day creation. That is because it is integral to God’s law. The 4th commandment has two reasons given for why we should follow it. One is the same as all the other Commandments, God brought us out of slavery. The other is stated in the commandment itself, for God made the world in six days and on the seventh He rested. In other words, if God didn’t create the world in seven days, (days defined as an evening and a morning) then a flaw appears in God’s immutable law. We believe that Jesus came to fulfill the law not do away with it, and that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away before a jot or a tiddle is altered in The Law. And the fact that The Law is unchangeable is the whole reason that Jesus had to died for our sins. So if the world wasn’t created in seven days, then Gods Law is fallible, and Jesus’ death would be unnecessary. Seven day creation is integral to the gospel as it is in the Bible.
I realized that I unintentionally called you a SDA in name only. I was directing that comment more to where he got his information from. I’m sorry if my lack of forethought was insulting.
As a Seventh-day Adventist, I tend to say that in reality it is the video that does not describe our beliefs well, not that I am unaware of them 😅
May God bless you!
I love your videos man, hard to find someone who explains theology in a way people can understand this days, God bless!
I am a Latter-day Saint and I appreciate your content. I think you do a good job juggling all these sensitive topics in a way that is easy digest, entertaining and educational. I want to preface what I have to say this: I don’t much care for the debate about whether we are to be considered Christians. As I see it, I am a follower of Jesus Christ and if the principles of His Gospel don’t align with the precepts that numerous professors of religion have designed for Him, then so be it. As such, I don’t care to argue about the subject. If the Nicenes wish to dismiss us from a seat at the table of Christianity, it does not bother me. I simply hope that such an opinion is formed with genuine knowledge and in a spirit of understanding.
Having said this, I want to point out and correct what I believe to be an unintentional misunderstanding of our beliefs. In the video, you say that we deny the eternal nature of God the Father and from there deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. We simply don’t. We believe that They both have, like everyone else, existed for all eternity and will forever exist. We do believe that both Father and Son spent part of Their existence as mortals like us, yes. But They, like all other mortals, existed prior to Their mortality. In other words - They are not created beings and neither are we. What we really reject is the notion of uncreated creator, because we believe things always have been and forever will be; that there was no beginning and there will be no end. Suffice to say, we have very different metaphysical views on creation, the order of the universe, the function and nature of God along with so much more. Our tradition is more developed than people are aware and much of our deeper doctrine is largely unknown and where it is found, it’s often misrepresented because we don’t turn our theology into academia as others do. We have a strong tradition of lay-clergy (every man an Elder, by way of commandment) and a religious sentiment towards the idea of the common man’s heroism. Because of that, it can be difficult to find a good resource for information on metaphysical stuff. If any of that says non-Christian to you, I’m fine with that, but I would like you to come to that conclusion for the right reasons.
And I don’t mean to come across as upset or at all demeaning - but dealing with theology, as I’m sure you know, can be really contrived. I also want you to know that I don’t think you have any malice or ill-contentment. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
Edit: explaining intentions, simplifying vocabulary, hammering in the point.
@@thekingofthings2002 I am going to edit my original comment from here because I can see how you or others might have thought I was trying to make some kind of point. But I do want to point out, even before the edit, I stated “I am not concerned about the legitimacy of exonyms.” I want to take the opportunity to restate: I do not care what classifications others choose use to label my faith. For though a “Christian” I may not be in your eyes, I am surely a follower of Jesus Christ in the eyes of our God. Disagree you may with the fundamental principles of our faith, you cannot deny our central tenant and foundation is Jesus Christ, at the very least, as we understand Him. You may think we misrepresent or misunderstand Him, just as I and others feel about other Christians. But ultimately I think anyone who is informed and unbiased can see that we do, at very least, speak of Christ and aspire to understand Him. I am wholly fine with the label Christian being withheld but I demand it be done for legitimate reasons and in the spirit of understanding.
My intention was not to make an argument as to why we should be considered Christians, I was only pointing out what I see as an unintentional misrepresentation of my beliefs. I don’t think its malicious or intentional because what he talks about in the video are concepts misunderstood by many, sadly even by some in the Church. That does not however make it any more accurate than a practitioner of my faith propping up a butchered idea of the Trinity and using it as a polemic.
All that said, I wanted to answer your question. There is nothing in the Nicene Creed or the Apostle’s Creed with which we are in opposition. I would say we oppose the principle of both; that they in truth have no authority. However, the Athanasian Creed is a point of division. We do not agree to the metaphysics of the Trinity as typically espoused by those of the Nicene Profession. If this makes us non-Christian in your eyes, I’ve already said my piece.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesnt necessarily teach that Christianity was gone from the earth, only that the authority of God was taken, meaning people still followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and were in fact Christians, but that the churches that came after the death of the apostles were not by authority of Christ himself. The church teaches however that divine intervention was still happening throughout this period, but that the nicene creed was not itself divine. It is kind of interesting though that a protestant would deny a church's christian identity for claiming that christianity fell at some point, while also acknowledging that the entire movement of protestantism came because someone felt that Catholicism had fallen away from true Christian teachings.
But they taught that Jesus isnt God which is big no no.
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The Mormons believe in "The Godhead" and that "God the Father", "God the Son", and "God the Holy Ghost" are of a single mind even if they are physically distinct personages. They also teach that Jesus was indeed the God of the Old Testament, acting in the name of His Father with what they refer to as "Divine Investiture". The Mormons are Christians, they're just not Nicene-Creedal Christians. They're also some of the most decent people I've ever met; most of 'em, there are some Born Again Virgin women and scumbags among them but, you'll find that in every congregation.
@@sdflsdlfkjgh6637more than that, some teach that Jesus is a created being
I’m a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and Just found this video disrespectful, he didn’t bother to do any actual research on the Church and just made claims that are 100% false.
There's doctrine in the LDS Church that is against the Bible. If it goes against the Bible or isn't found in the Bible, it's false
I have a quick question, what was your source for the Mormons/LDS? I'm not trying to start an argument; I am just really curious. 😊 I can't find anything on it.😵💫 I do not speak for my church. I speak for my own beliefs and my own curiosity.
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How can there be hiearchichal continuity between presbyterians and early Church? Do you mean it as in a presybterian presybter was ordained by a presybter who was ordained by another presybter... who was ordained a Bishop who was ordained by another Bishop... who was ordained by an Apostle? Or do you mean the similarity of Church governance?
Your comments seem more opinionated than fact-based. Specifically for the SDA church, we have a website for our fundamental beliefs, we also believe in the same trinity as all Christians. You can literally look it up, so I'm not sure what you mean by you or others not knowing what our Trinity is? Second, we believe in hell, we just don't believe you will be burning for all eternity. And while Ellen G. White is our main prophet we had others before her. It's funny that you think a Creed made by man after the church had already been corrupted by the paganist practices of Rome and the Catholic Church is what determines "True" Christianity. Lastly, you did not mention any of our fundamental beliefs, which actually describes what we believe and not what you feel/think we believe. But go off I guess....
slay, I agree. Like literally... there's a website? you can see the 28 believes really easly. to be honest i feel disappointed i thought he was going to do a proper study or video.
People often confuse seventh-day adventists with adventists in general. SDA do believe in the trinity and the duality of Jesus/Christ, other Adventist denominations don’t. Also, some SDA beliefs are closer to those of early Christianity (pre-ecumenical council) and Judaism.
Before converting to Orthodoxy my first run in with the Nicene Creed was at a Non-Denominational church I visited in a whim. I grew up in a charismatic church, and we really didn’t have creeds or confessions.
Hello from France ! also, PLEASE can you lower the music volume when you are speaking ? many thanks
I've gone to Non-Denominational churches/charasmatic type churches my whole life. I appreciate the information on the different denominations. Honestly I had no idea about most apart from Catholisism and Protestanism. I appreciate the work you are doing bringing the truth to people in a way that is informative and easily digestable. Great job!
As a note, while the churches Ive gone to never explicitly follow the Nicene or the Apostles creed they have all adhered to them. That being said I will agree and appreciate how you point out the pastor is more important than the traditions. To us that is a feature not a bug. However, the way you explain why you see that as an issue makes sense and I can totally appreciate the sentiment.
Yeah it is interesting. My childhood non denominational believes in the trinity as he states, communion is done seriously every Sunday, and baptism is done in the father spirit and holy ghost. Not sure if that was written in the Bible or the creed I got a lit of studying to do apparently.
I grew up in the same scene and I have started to think Evangelicals(especially charismatic) are the LEAST literate and informed people of all the Christian traditions.
@@joshh1693 Traditions, I 100% agree. However, like I said above they see that as a perk. When I looked up what the poster meant by the sacraments the church he’s I went to take almost all of them seriously, just in a different way. Communion is a very important moment. Baptism is very important, marriage is very important. I feel the NonDenoms (again that I’ve attended) do traditions just in different ways.
What I appreciate about this channel and creator is he’s opening my eyes to the fact that you can go to MainLine church and still be a strong Christian. Everyone I knew who went to mainlines were Christian in name alone, so I always wrote those churches off. This is giving me hope.
The one video I watched from this guy of infiltrating the mainlines and winning them back was fantastic.
Thank you for your explanation on church of Christ. While my experience with CoC has thankfully been positive-I’ve never walked into a CoC where the fundamentals of Christianity weren’t preached or practiced-they’re technically non-denominational, and that can cause confusion.
@@AmazingFitOh come on, can’t a man enjoy a good coc for himself?
I read that as call of cthulhu lol. Playing too many trpgs.
Glad you’ve had good experiences with CoC, I’ve had bad ones
As a Seventh Day Adventist:
1. We believe in the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
2. We believe that death is a sleep and judgment will only take place at the second coming of Christ, you don't go to Heaven or Hell whether you were good or bad.
3. We go to church on a Saturday because the 10 Commandments say that you must keep the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week.
We are not suspicious at all
Our church is an EFCA church, practices communion once yearly, believes all the essentials of Christianity, does proper baptisms (father, son, and Holy Spirit). Would you consider this a true church?
Thanks for saying not all pentecostal believe that i left pentecostal church because my old pastor left and stuff so i’m open to finding a new denomination because i jumped too fast into the other church and never did as much research and understanding as i should have, i’ve only been saved since last dec so still learning and i’m trying to find my place in christianity my last church (pentecostal) did meet up with the basics of christianity but they were a-bit radical and i disagreed with some stuff so anyone please give me some recommendations of what to look into please
Could you do a video more on 7th day Adventists? I have a close friend who’s in that group, and I’m trying to learn more. Thanks 🙏🏼
This video gives a lot of misunderstanding about the LDS church. As a member of the Church, I would like to correctly explain:
1. We believe Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost are different and are separate Beings.
2. God was not “once a Man” and we will not “become God”; God is Eternal, and we were too, then we were sent down to Earth a a test of our loyalty. Jesus Christ is the Chosen Son who died so that we could live with God forever if we follow the Church.
3. No actual member of the church believes that “Jesus is God”, read the Articles of Faith bro there’s only 13.
I swear this guy never thought to actually read about the LDS Church, it breaks my heart because I love these videos but he really is just misinformed. I’m happy to answer any questions yall might have 💗
What do you think about the Messianic Jews in the denomination of MJAA (Messianic Jewish Alliance of America)? i think they are small set enough to not be noticed.
I have a question, do you believe it is heretical to say that the Trinity is three ways of defining the many roles and forms God takes to make it a little easier to understand, like they're all the same being but the names and descriptions and distinctions are to give us a clearer understanding of them. So that they're not completely separate, they're all the same person just being projected onto the world in different ways? Anyone can answer, I'm just curious for more opinions. I recently had a spiritual experience that turned me away from the LDS Church and I'm now trying to wrap my head around the Trinity.
I kept getting Church of ladder day saints (mormon) ads throughout this video🤣😂🤣
i grew up going to a UU church and i’m being so serious when i say there were no bibles, no mentions of God, and no mentions of Jesus at all. like i didn’t even know who Jesus was for a while. people never believe me when i tell them that i got the sex talk at church when i was like five 💀
What's your thoughts on the western rite orthodox church from your prospective as a protestant
Ok I go to a Non-Denominational church that uses the London Baptist Confession thats good right?
Yup
honestly i have deep respect for mormons, they seem to follow their faith much more closely than other christians i see, they have close families and are very tight nit in their communities
I can understand that. I also have great respect for some of the Muslim families I've met, particularly their familial bond, sense of morals, and their hospitality. Unfortunately, still doesn't change that their religion can't save. At a human level, I have great respect for some that I've met.
cults are like that
@@nathanscovell2895could say that same about every religion lol. I was raised a catholic and I could very well call some things cult-like. We had a priest molest several kids in our church and his punishment was only relocation. Who cares how people worship Christ or God, as long as they are nice, is my philosophy nowadays.
By their fruits
@@Mic1904 Except most muslim "families" are abusive, not to mention polygamous.
I'm an apostolic Pentecostal and I believe that all three is one in Jesus name amen
Hey just a question. Aren't Christians Scientists part of the Church of Christ? Because when I looked up Christian Scientist it said they were part if the Church of Christ. Can you clear this up? It would be greatly appreciated.
Baptist here, do you think that all denominations or all that use the Nicene Creed are true and lead their members to Heaven and Christ? Or do you think that some denominations are wrong? (I love your content)
Can you talk about Holiness denominations like Church of the Nazarene?
Informative video as always, Zoomer! you should totally open this server up--it'd be cool to play alongside a fellow theologian!
I'm planning to open it to the public this summer!
Sick! can’t wait!!
Yay! I waited so long for a new kingdomcraft video!
This is very random, do you believe for example the book of Matthew was written by Matthew? Idk was studying the similarities of how mathew and Luke share the book of Mark as a reference and personally it doesn’t matter if Matthew did write it or not, but rather is it problematic that I don’t believe Matthew wrote Matthew? Thanks to anyone who responds I will read it and take any points with an open mind!
More than likely Matthew didn’t write Matthew
The book was written about 60-70 years after Jesus walked the earth
Also you’re correct. The books of Matthew and Luke basically copied what mark wrote.
Some scholars think the book was written by followers of the apostle Matthew
@@mmltpb14 awesome thanks
As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, (Mormon) I find your perspective interesting and never really thought of the LDS church as not a (true) or original Christian church. Although I see what you mean when you call it not a true Christian church, I of course having a different viewpoint and religion, disagree. But I respect your opinion and your extensive knowledge in other religions. the only reason I disagree is because I think being an LDS member, that we share many many beliefs with most other Christian churches and the only thing that sets us apart in the Christian world as far as being a Christian church is that we believe that God was once man and that Man will eventually become God. In the LDS church, it is believed that If man follows the commandments, and gets sealed in the temple, they will be ressurected to the celestial kingdom to then live on eternally with their family, which is the most prestigious of the three heavenly kingdoms; celestial, terrestrial, and telestial. And those in the highest tier in the celestial kingdom, will then become gods and have the abilities of god. My personal interpretation of all these scriptures is that god once was living life as man similar to us, and had a god before him, and those in the celestial kingdom who will eventually become gods will then have their own children and send them to their own earth to be tested and put to trial, and then the best of their children may become gods and do the same. I think it is an eternal cycle. And something that has no start nor end. Of course this is only my interpretation and I just started researching more of this topic after coming across this video. But I thank you, for taking me down this rabbit hole of research into my own beliefs.
I am absolutely loving your channel. Have you thought of making a discord server?
Great idea
I don't know any christian server. that would be very nice.
@@umrapazai7484 There are alot, one I recommend is Sola Theologia
@@relajado-fx5rf i like the name
@@relajado-fx5rf the server's, i mean. Your's mean relaxed, though, right? my spanish isn't the greatest, although portuguese is my first language.
What do you mean when you say Church of Christ does not believe in confessions? I consider myself a Christian and I’m not sure what this means. Is this just confessing sins to God?
if your a latter day saint ( Mormon) can you still join the Minecraft sever?
I always appreciate Christian content, but I cant say this arbitrary definition of Christianity is entirely appropriate. It is appropriate to call members of The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints a different breed and perhaps cousin of Christianity, to outright deny their Christianity entirely based on slight disagreement about the Trinity is just petty. If you really dog into the theology into both Mormonism and of the Creeds you'll find that both get very murky and ethereal in what they mean by their definitions so it is very hard to strictly define exactly what both mean. As for the nature of God, I can't say that the exact intricacies of his origin (or lack thereof) are of importance. Does that really matter? Or does the fact that He is our Onmipotent, Omniscient, Loving Father who sent His son to save us matter more? At the end of the day The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches not just the core message of Christianity but numerous tenants that are in line the rest of Christianity, and to call our differences "Heresy" is not very smart when there are churches preaching that the Bible isnt true and is just allegorical and that God is a woman, as well as many many other things that come in direct contradiction with Jesus's teachings. With how the world is going, we need likeminded people to come together to fight against the decline of Western Civilization and values, not bicker over our differences in philosophy.
I'm sorry but believing that God the Father was human and came from a planet called Kolob and that we can be exalted and be Gods as well is not Christian.
Furthermore the LDS church believes in a Heavenly Mother (who although not worshipped) who is mother to her earthly spirit children, is also not found in any Nicean church.
@@Cay30 how?
I agree with the last point of the original comment. As Jesus says in Mark 9:38-40, "38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part."
He basically means if somebody else is doing good in the name of Christ, don't bully them. You don't have to agree with their teachings, but don't rebuke them.
If you don't believe in the one true God, you believe in a fake god made by man.
You guys are not Christians, repent and leave that false church. You have a whole different Jesus. Christianity as a whole bears witness against Mormonism as a false church.
Thanks for this video. I'm glad you broke it down like this.
I'm curious, what is thsr group you were baptized in before you became Presbyterin? 🧐
Your music gives me an Old School Runescape vibe. 10/10.
At 19:08 you say you were initially baptized in a heretical group and now I'm really curious which one it was.
Same 😂
Same here, I can take a couple guesses into which ones it isn’t but I have no idea.
Maybe LDS? Their ministers baptize in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but their core belief of the 3 is different from Nicene Christianity. There was an Episcopalian bishop who allowed to be confirmed and ordained with an LDS baptism, although most churches require re-baptism.
As someone who grew up in the Church of Christ , and has visited multiple from all over USA. Every single Church of Christ I’ve ever been too believes the same things as baptists. However, they take a few stands on very particular issues tho. The main ones being baptismal regeneration (but explicitly not infant baptism), sola scriptura, and individual church governance. when I say sola scriptura, I mean literally “ONLY scripture”. We don’t use musical instruments in worship because we never see a New Testament example of them being used. So we only sing as a congregation. And we don’t have an overarching body releasing statements about our beliefs and what creeds we agree with because we never read of that sort of thing in the New Testament. They only use the Bible and the examples that come from it. Anything outside of that doesn’t matter. Every church I’ve been too would agree with the Nicene Creed. But their thought process is more “all of that is in the Bible , why should I have to agree with a man written creed when I can just say I believe in Gods word”. And less “we’re a cult that believes heresy and are trying to hide it” kind of thing.
If you have any questions, I have tons of contacts from various churches or I can answer them too. But thank you for the videos! I really love them! God bless!
Yes, I’m church of Christ and that is a great explanation. This has been my experience as well!
I attend at a church of christ(not yet Christian), and I have too say this is a very good explanation of what the church of Christ is.
I go to a non-denominational that used to be church of Christ. They do use instruments but everything else is pretty spot on.
Isn't the church of christ like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but they don't claim the prophet succession of brigham young and onward?
@@arcondpvpno. the Church of Christ is more like the original nondenominational church in a way. the goal was to not have division and party lines and just follow what the Bible says. that being said, we agree with the nicene creed, but don’t agree with the concept of creeds as a basis of faith. that’s why we don’t “use” it
What church/denomination would you recommend for someone coming out of Mormonism (like me)?
Catholicism, Their sacraments and believes are biblical and follow church tradition. Orthodox is similar but they don’t believe in Filioque (that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father and the son) they believe he only proceeds from the father but Bible and church tradition says it proceeds from both.
Protestantism is also similar but they believe that you just need faith alone (sola fide) but the only time faith alone is used in the Bible is in James 2:24 where it says that you’re not justified by faith alone. And they also believe in sola fide (that you only need the Bible) but in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 it says that you should hold on to traditions
2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is breathed out by God and is useful
And in Acts 2:42 the early Christians were taught by the apostles so what they wrote is also very good to read.
So Catholicism is the best one imo
As a Christian, it does sound weird to say Mary is the mother of God.
Because that is the name I attribute to the God the Father.
Would you still say that she is the Mother of God just by nature? Even if you don’t use it as a title for her.
My friends attend a non denominational church. Drives me up the wall.
Yea the way they worship isn't my cup of tea either even though by beliefs alone I would likely fall into that category myself.
LDS here, not sure why members of our church have sought out the “Christian” label.
the mainstream church’s, along with our denominations’, beliefs, practices, and lifestyle are fundamentally separate from mainstream Christianity (for better and for worse - i.e; the FLDS)
but, regardless, we still proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ, and that his sacrifice, and thus the belief in his gospel, is the only way to obtain eternal life with God.
infighting and aggression towards each other based off of myopic discrepancies is useless when the gospel of Jesus Christ is needed now more than ever.
God loves all of his children, and wants us to cooperate in gathering his children for the second coming.
But I think your beliefs about God and Jesus’ divinity are not in line with the mainline Christianity
@@niccolopaganini1782 yes that’s correct
@@niccolopaganini1782According to this video, no, but members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe that Jesus came to Earth, died, rose from the dead, and offers us redemption from our sins. I think that make me Christian.
@@frigidfirefilms6147 first of all the whole Joseph Smith issue, the secrecy and the extra biblical rituals, similar to freemasonry and also their Christology and Theology. We don't believe in the the same God, henceforth not Christian.
Any thoughts of Christian Anarchism? If you are not familiar I can give reading recommendations (academic/peer review)
Just want to make sure I’m following the Reformed view on baptism: were you saved before you got baptized at the Presbyterian church?
Plz do a video on Bible translations!!! Would be interesting to hear your perspective and what you use regularly.
Please do more in depth on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints. I’d love to hear more of what you think because the one point you made about God once being a man is not the bases of our lives. Jesus Christ is the bases of our lives. We are 100% Christian because we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
What are the thoughts on Gospel Hall Assemblies (stemmed from Plymouth Brethren)
How old are you and what is your job? Genuinely curious because I would like to start posting some videos about religion but work ~55h a week, which gives me little time to do such things (I spend most my free time with GF/ family or exercising)
I'm a new Seventh Day Adventist, and I can say that the main thinks hat separates us from other Christian Denominations is the day we're worship. Most churches worship on Sunday because that is what the Catholic Pope appointed as his day of authority and everyone follows after that. We believe that Saturday is the seventh day, God's mark of authority because he blessed the seventh day, the last day of the week, while Sunday is the first day. I just found your channel and I enjoy how you break down everything.
I thought the reason we worship on Sunday is because that is the day Jesus was raised from the dead.
You worship on Saturday because Ellen G White stated in "The Great Controversy" that those who worship on Sunday, aka "Sunday Worshipers" would go to hell for receiving the mark of the beast and then be annihilated. May you wake up from this evil denomination before it's too late. There are many more things to be said about SDAs but please go and do your own research. Also if you try and say that you don't believe that Ellen White is right in saying that, then you're saying she's not a prophetess and therefore saying SDA is a false denomination.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248If someone doesn’t consider Ellen white a prophet (there are some adventists who do not) that doesn’t mean the church is false. In many churches she is used to uphold and support some interpretations on the bible (usually prophecies and other things) , but outside of her writings, we have to be able to prove things using the bible, if not, we can not say we follow the bible. And even if someone consider her a prophet or not, she said that if she is found to be against the bible at some point, people follow what the bible says, not her. The church doesn’t revolve around her writings, but the bible. The sabbath is no kept in the SDA because of her interpretation of that prophecy, but because we are commanded to do so in the bible, and we believe its still a valid commandment to this day. Christian denominations differ about the interpretation of different topics on the bible, that doesn’t mean I consider evil any denomination who has different opinions in terms of biblical views. Maybe if such denominations have a GENERAL bad behavior, are manipulative, steal from people etc,. Otherwise, We have to be careful when we accuse others of being evil based on the fact that they have different views from us, and make sure we have the right understanding of that person/group/denomimation. God bless. Sorry for my bad english, its my second language.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248this is not true, SDA’s don’t believe we will be the only ones in heaven. While we believe Ellen White was lead by God, I’ve never heard the term prophetess used for her outside of this, I feel like that has some inaccurate connotations but I digress. She was the founder of the church but she’s not the basis of it. The SDA church is rooted in the Bible, Ellen White’s writings are valued but not on or near the level of the Bible. She’s considered as someone who was close to God and is very wise/gives good Christian advice, however if everything she said crumbled, the SDA church would still stand.
@@iwillcuturgrass3248 yeah... that's not why. there's a history of how the sabbath was accepted a thelogical thruth inside the sda church. it was introduced by another sister.