Speaking of Fenriel and freezing, Andraste went through the same thing. In the dragon age: the world of thedas 2 book pg.12 it says: As a young woman, she (Andraste) would become still for long moments, unable to be moved or roused. After, she would report voices, as though from a lost memory, and talk of strange auras or the sounds of bells. Perhaps Andraste was also a dreamer?
A cut scene soon after arriving in Skyhold, the Inquisition asks Solas about the Fade. Solas suggests they go somewhere more suitable and takes the Inquisitor to Haven. The Inquisitor realizes Haven is not real as the Breach was closed and Haven destroyed. Solas prompts the Inquisitor to wake up. During their discussion Solas says the Anchor makes him/her sharper in the Fade. Some interpret this as the Anchor giving the Inquisitor some "dreamer" qualities, and it was the Inquisitor who entered Solas' dream. This has puzzled and fascinated me. Are we getting into dreamer territory? Comment?
Nah, I think the Inquisitor was in their own dream (remember that non-mages and dwarves do not hold the same powers of dreaming as mages, with Dwarves not able to dream at all.) The Anchor helps sharpen the Inquisitor's mind and focus when in the fade they are not complete on dreamers.
Archon Darinius (founder of the Imperium) was a master dreamer by the age of ten. A town in Tevinter is named Solas, and the Tevinter Dalish went extinct after Fen'Harel drove their keeper mad in his dreams. Those same plains are also home to a plant that is immune to the blight.
You mean Felicidus Aria, that plant? It doesn't outright say it's immune to the blight, just that it's the only plant capable of growing on blighted land. It could be a situation like with Deep Mushrooms, where it carries the corruption but isn't able to transmit the disease (deep mushroom is also poisonous unless properly prepared). Felicidus Aria's roots are distilled in order to make Ambrosia, but the plant is currently going extinct.
Dwarven Wardens dream... Does the joining then connect them to the Fade because of the lyrium in the mix? Because Ohgren's odd dream after his joining isn't a blight dream.
Sorry to reply to a two year old comment but you bring up a good point. Perhaps the medium that the old gods use to relay their “song” to the darkspawn is the fade. Makes about as much sense as anything
No Dwarves don't dream, or rather their "dreams." is not the same as everyone else's. When non-dwarf dreams, their minds enter into the fade. When dwarves "dream." it works like IRL dreaming
Is anyone else starting to become a bit worried about DA 4? Anthem doesn't sound like it turned out well and everything seems to be going badly for it o.o'
Wow, super informative for me. I never really realized a mage’s ability to shape their dreams was on a scale. What about Dorian? In banter he mentions making his dreams of the Fade look super pleasant and male desire demons would be attracted to him. Is that normal really good mage dreaming or “dreamer” dreaming (wow I wish they had a better word for this lol)?
I think maybe it's like a sliding scale? A mage has a better chance to realize they are dreaming, and the stronger their magic and thus their connection to the fade(or the more lyrium they use), the more they can influence their dreams? That would also explain the confusion of the term 'dreamer'. Like a normal mage is a dreamer that can only nudge their dreams into a certain direction, maybe making them more pleasant, while a powerful true dreamer could theoretically do anything they want within the fade, like manipulate the dreams of others as well as their own, travel anywhere in the fade, or even use the fade to sustain themselves if they're powerful enough like some of the evanuris were able to?
@@Levsa399 you're referring to what he says in the 'Here lies the Abyss' quest, right? If so, then Dorian said 'The first time I entered the Fade, it looked like a lovely castle filled with gold and silks. I met a marvelous desire demon as I recall. We chatted and ate grapes before he tried to posses me.' So I'm thinking that it was when his magic first surfaced, not during a Harrowing.
Totally random trivia: "Somniari" (and its possible singular, "Sominarus/-a") has a similar root to "Somnium", meaning "dream" in Latin: not too ironclad as a thing (latin never was my strong suit) but it's possible that the word literally means "one who dreams".
I know this is really late, but an idea has just occurred to me. I'm thinking that Dreamers do crop up every now and then, more often than the game suggests, since it says there haven't been any making it to adulthood. It says nothing about how many are born. By no means am I suggesting it's terribly common, but I'm thinking more like a 1% chance, likely no more than five or six a year in all of Thedas, depending on how many mages are born. Including ones who ended up dying from illness or injury or what have you before their magic even manifested. Given their increased risk of being possessed, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised that, in the southern Circles, they're often made Tranquil, with the ones that have been able to keep it a secret usually then proceeding to fail their Harrowing; the small handful who have survived that far over the last few hundred years opting to keep it a secret their entire lives. In the Imperium, it's all about power. While being a Dreamer would give someone more, it could also make them more of a target. Say you find out a rival family's only child is a Dreamer; the child has the potential to put that house head and shoulders above yours through magical prowess alone, so by taking care to have that child eliminated you would not only be evening things out by taking away their advantage, you could be in a better position if you have a mage child or two of your own, by setting them back a few years on that front, giving your own a head start. This does obviously doesn't account for the Dalish, Avaar, or Rivain (counting them seperately given how different that Circle was), but I would suspect they, as a whole, don't think of it as something of note. There's also a chance those cultures keep it hush-hush around outsiders for fear of the person's safety, so especially given the nature of so many in-game codex entries, it wouldn't be common knowledge.
Super comprehensive and very well explained!! I also appreciated the parts where you were sort of like “I don’t know the lore contradicts itself sometimes I’m doing my best” 😂 I’m about to play a DnD 5e campaign set in Thedas and I’m high-key thinking of playing a Dalish Keeper who is a dreamer, using the Druid Circle of Dreams (from Xanathar’s Guide to Everything). A lot of the abilities actually match up quite nicely with dreamers abilities (like limited teleportation) if you just replace the word “Feywilds” with “The Fade” 😂. I’m very excited to say the least and this video helped me understand DA Dreamers better!
So there was a decline in the Dreamer population near the beginning of the Tevinter Imperium, and those who are dreamers tend to have a shorter lifespan. Dreamers (supposedly) are said to be of Dalish(Elvish) descent. Could Thalsian and Aurelien have an elvhen ancestor somewhere in their bloodline? But now there is an increase of a dreamers lifespan as of recent years. Could this be correlated with the veil? Since dreamers are supposedly to have elvish blood in them, and elves are intrinsically connected to the fade, could creating the veil be the cause of the dreamers more or less disappearing? And now that the veil is weakening or with the breach causing a large influx of magic from the fade to come into the world of the living, is that what's causing current dreamers to live longer?
I really hope we get to see more of Feynriel in DA4. I think he might play a key part against Solas. Next to him Feynriel is probably the closest in dreamer skills. While he lacks the experience Solas has he has the advantage of Solas's Achilles heel.. Tevinter knowledge 😀
Wow! this is great information! I Solas a "Dreamer?" I guess he'd kind of have to be to be older than the Fade itself. Great food for thought! On a different note, I haven't heard anything more about DA-4 and wondered if anyone else has?
I check on a daily basis for news, even tweeting developers trying to fish for information ! I think we might see something at EA play this year. Fingers crossed 😀
Would it be possible for non-grey wardens to find the location and possibly even speak to The Old gods using dreamers, or even be dreamers themselves to do so?
Dwarfs can't dream...no wonder they have a caste system. I would create an oppressive society if I couldn't dream. In the real world, dreams are the oldest of copeing mechanisms. Dreams can help you regulate your emotions. Thus, making you less cranky.
i think they will nerf the power of the dreamers in DA4.A companion with unique skills based on him being a dreamer would be really cool.I am still waiting to see someone stronger than the warden.
To do with the dwarves. I know you said dwarves dont dream unless devs forgot. I think its true dwarves cant dream such as the cave dwelling orzammar ones. Mainly because the dwarves that could dream magic is are aways involved or they were cloud gazing surface ones. Eg. Oghren sigrun warden and varric dream from magic. Inquisitor herald was the anchor or solas magic.
I always assumed that it was that Dwarves can't naturally dream by falling asleep. But if thrown into a dream by a demon or being forced to by outside magic it's possible?
Actually, it's called, " Mir Da'len Somniar" found the link to a RUclips video that did a cover on it. It's an Elven song, that's a codex you can find.
If your warden isnt a mage or an elf I don’t really think it’s possible to be a dreamer unless you’re super powerful with magic. The broken circle quest you are thrown into a dream-state due to a sloth demon. You can break out of a demons hold and once you are aware the “dream” begins to fall apart, revealing horrors.
Dreamers: *exist*
Demons: It's free real estate
I'm so proud of this comment.
Solas basically knows all the console commands of the Fade lol
If you get dunked on in the dream you get dunked on in real life.......
Wow I didn’t think people would get an Adventure Zone reference 🤣
@@notsosmartguy6254 I thought it was an Undertale reference.
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Speaking of Fenriel and freezing, Andraste went through the same thing. In the dragon age: the world of thedas 2 book pg.12 it says: As a young woman, she (Andraste) would become still for long moments, unable to be moved or roused. After, she would report voices, as though from a lost memory, and talk of strange auras or the sounds of bells.
Perhaps Andraste was also a dreamer?
Interesting bit of lore
A cut scene soon after arriving in Skyhold, the Inquisition asks Solas about the Fade. Solas suggests they go somewhere more suitable and takes the Inquisitor to Haven. The Inquisitor realizes Haven is not real as the Breach was closed and Haven destroyed. Solas prompts the Inquisitor to wake up. During their discussion Solas says the Anchor makes him/her sharper in the Fade. Some interpret this as the Anchor giving the Inquisitor some "dreamer" qualities, and it was the Inquisitor who entered Solas' dream.
This has puzzled and fascinated me. Are we getting into dreamer territory? Comment?
Nah, I think the Inquisitor was in their own dream (remember that non-mages and dwarves do not hold the same powers of dreaming as mages, with Dwarves not able to dream at all.) The Anchor helps sharpen the Inquisitor's mind and focus when in the fade they are not complete on dreamers.
Archon Darinius (founder of the Imperium) was a master dreamer by the age of ten. A town in Tevinter is named Solas, and the Tevinter Dalish went extinct after Fen'Harel drove their keeper mad in his dreams. Those same plains are also home to a plant that is immune to the blight.
Chompy Said What?!!! Is this really true?!! How have I never heard of this?! I knew about the Solas plains but I knew not of the rest.
Source?
Where's the sauce, mate?
You mean Felicidus Aria, that plant? It doesn't outright say it's immune to the blight, just that it's the only plant capable of growing on blighted land. It could be a situation like with Deep Mushrooms, where it carries the corruption but isn't able to transmit the disease (deep mushroom is also poisonous unless properly prepared). Felicidus Aria's roots are distilled in order to make Ambrosia, but the plant is currently going extinct.
Dwarven Wardens dream... Does the joining then connect them to the Fade because of the lyrium in the mix? Because Ohgren's odd dream after his joining isn't a blight dream.
Sorry to reply to a two year old comment but you bring up a good point. Perhaps the medium that the old gods use to relay their “song” to the darkspawn is the fade. Makes about as much sense as anything
No Dwarves don't dream, or rather their "dreams." is not the same as everyone else's. When non-dwarf dreams, their minds enter into the fade. When dwarves "dream." it works like IRL dreaming
If the DA4 protagonist is a dreamer (of any class) i will be very happy
Is anyone else starting to become a bit worried about DA 4? Anthem doesn't sound like it turned out well and everything seems to be going badly for it o.o'
Okay, now I'm reeeeeaaaaally worried o.o'
Maybe an offering to maker
"Deader people have come back" fucking sent me xD
Wow, super informative for me. I never really realized a mage’s ability to shape their dreams was on a scale.
What about Dorian? In banter he mentions making his dreams of the Fade look super pleasant and male desire demons would be attracted to him. Is that normal really good mage dreaming or “dreamer” dreaming (wow I wish they had a better word for this lol)?
I think maybe it's like a sliding scale? A mage has a better chance to realize they are dreaming, and the stronger their magic and thus their connection to the fade(or the more lyrium they use), the more they can influence their dreams?
That would also explain the confusion of the term 'dreamer'. Like a normal mage is a dreamer that can only nudge their dreams into a certain direction, maybe making them more pleasant, while a powerful true dreamer could theoretically do anything they want within the fade, like manipulate the dreams of others as well as their own, travel anywhere in the fade, or even use the fade to sustain themselves if they're powerful enough like some of the evanuris were able to?
With Dorian, it was during his Harrowing, so he was probably given lyrium and thus had a bit more control.
@@Levsa399 you're referring to what he says in the 'Here lies the Abyss' quest, right? If so, then Dorian said 'The first time I entered the Fade, it looked like a lovely castle filled with gold and silks. I met a marvelous desire demon as I recall. We chatted and ate grapes before he tried to posses me.' So I'm thinking that it was when his magic first surfaced, not during a Harrowing.
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Totally random trivia: "Somniari" (and its possible singular, "Sominarus/-a") has a similar root to "Somnium", meaning "dream" in Latin: not too ironclad as a thing (latin never was my strong suit) but it's possible that the word literally means "one who dreams".
I know this is really late, but an idea has just occurred to me. I'm thinking that Dreamers do crop up every now and then, more often than the game suggests, since it says there haven't been any making it to adulthood. It says nothing about how many are born. By no means am I suggesting it's terribly common, but I'm thinking more like a 1% chance, likely no more than five or six a year in all of Thedas, depending on how many mages are born. Including ones who ended up dying from illness or injury or what have you before their magic even manifested.
Given their increased risk of being possessed, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised that, in the southern Circles, they're often made Tranquil, with the ones that have been able to keep it a secret usually then proceeding to fail their Harrowing; the small handful who have survived that far over the last few hundred years opting to keep it a secret their entire lives.
In the Imperium, it's all about power. While being a Dreamer would give someone more, it could also make them more of a target. Say you find out a rival family's only child is a Dreamer; the child has the potential to put that house head and shoulders above yours through magical prowess alone, so by taking care to have that child eliminated you would not only be evening things out by taking away their advantage, you could be in a better position if you have a mage child or two of your own, by setting them back a few years on that front, giving your own a head start.
This does obviously doesn't account for the Dalish, Avaar, or Rivain (counting them seperately given how different that Circle was), but I would suspect they, as a whole, don't think of it as something of note. There's also a chance those cultures keep it hush-hush around outsiders for fear of the person's safety, so especially given the nature of so many in-game codex entries, it wouldn't be common knowledge.
Super comprehensive and very well explained!! I also appreciated the parts where you were sort of like “I don’t know the lore contradicts itself sometimes I’m doing my best” 😂
I’m about to play a DnD 5e campaign set in Thedas and I’m high-key thinking of playing a Dalish Keeper who is a dreamer, using the Druid Circle of Dreams (from Xanathar’s Guide to Everything). A lot of the abilities actually match up quite nicely with dreamers abilities (like limited teleportation) if you just replace the word “Feywilds” with “The Fade” 😂. I’m very excited to say the least and this video helped me understand DA Dreamers better!
So there was a decline in the Dreamer population near the beginning of the Tevinter Imperium, and those who are dreamers tend to have a shorter lifespan. Dreamers (supposedly) are said to be of Dalish(Elvish) descent. Could Thalsian and Aurelien have an elvhen ancestor somewhere in their bloodline? But now there is an increase of a dreamers lifespan as of recent years. Could this be correlated with the veil? Since dreamers are supposedly to have elvish blood in them, and elves are intrinsically connected to the fade, could creating the veil be the cause of the dreamers more or less disappearing? And now that the veil is weakening or with the breach causing a large influx of magic from the fade to come into the world of the living, is that what's causing current dreamers to live longer?
I really hope we get to see more of Feynriel in DA4. I think he might play a key part against Solas. Next to him Feynriel is probably the closest in dreamer skills. While he lacks the experience Solas has he has the advantage of Solas's Achilles heel.. Tevinter knowledge 😀
Idk if this has anything to do with Fiona’s curing of the taint, but I feel like it does....
I thought that had more to do with carrying a child that had Dragon blood. I mean, otherwise the timing would be a pretty huge coincidence, right?
pieniaurinko Tnata that’s why I said idk.
Sorry if I sounded rude, the comment wasn't meant as criticism, but as a chance to start a debate. I don't know for sure, either. ^^
Some say that andraste was a powerful mage, if this is true, could she be a dreamer? I don't think so, but if its true it could be...
Wow! this is great information! I Solas a "Dreamer?" I guess he'd kind of have to be to be older than the Fade itself. Great food for thought!
On a different note, I haven't heard anything more about DA-4 and wondered if anyone else has?
We got a teaser trailer during the Video Game Awards and that's it. No other news of DA4.
@@SMsneakyninja - Thank you! For some reason, I tend to stay a few months behind in the news so I appreciate the information.
I check on a daily basis for news, even tweeting developers trying to fish for information ! I think we might see something at EA play this year. Fingers crossed 😀
Would it be possible for non-grey wardens to find the location and possibly even speak to The Old gods using dreamers, or even be dreamers themselves to do so?
Dwarfs can't dream...no wonder they have a caste system. I would create an oppressive society if I couldn't dream.
In the real world, dreams are the oldest of copeing mechanisms. Dreams can help you regulate your emotions. Thus, making you less cranky.
Brilliant, as always.
So.. Like our lucid dreamers here on earth :)
i think they will nerf the power of the dreamers in DA4.A companion with unique skills based on him being a dreamer would be really cool.I am still waiting to see someone stronger than the warden.
Warden>>>>>>>>>Evanuris.
All sounds quite similar to astral projection
To do with the dwarves. I know you said dwarves dont dream unless devs forgot. I think its true dwarves cant dream such as the cave dwelling orzammar ones. Mainly because the dwarves that could dream magic is are aways involved or they were cloud gazing surface ones. Eg. Oghren sigrun warden and varric dream from magic. Inquisitor herald was the anchor or solas magic.
I always assumed that it was that Dwarves can't naturally dream by falling asleep. But if thrown into a dream by a demon or being forced to by outside magic it's possible?
Is Somniari a Tevinter term? Or an Elven one?
It's Tevinter!
It could probably b both, there is a codex, I think you find it in Iquisition, mayb Trespasser? It's an Elven song and spells it as, 'Somniar'.
Actually, it's called, " Mir Da'len Somniar" found the link to a RUclips video that did a cover on it. It's an Elven song, that's a codex you can find.
Wasnt feynreil for DA2 a dreamer and left for tevinter? (If you did that quest choice)
Does that mean the hero of ferelden is a dreamer because of the broken circle quest sorry if someone has already asked this
If your warden isnt a mage or an elf I don’t really think it’s possible to be a dreamer unless you’re super powerful with magic. The broken circle quest you are thrown into a dream-state due to a sloth demon. You can break out of a demons hold and once you are aware the “dream” begins to fall apart, revealing horrors.
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