The Best Reactions To Honda’s New 2024 Africa Twin!
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2023
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By fixing a tubeless wheels to the standard Honda Africa twin it becomes almost perfect in every aspect..
All changes look great!!! BUT,BUT, they did miss an important one which is the back light on the handle controls buttons when night riding.
As far as DCT goes sales of Africa Twins in 2022 were split 50/50 between manual & DCT. Most people who try DCT find themselves loving it. I had huge problems trying to get my head around it at first but I reckon the best thing to do is just take it for a spin. After a couple of hours you'll likely love it. I did the Honda Adventure Experience back in March 2023, having bought a DCT AT in November but having way too much nerves to just get on & ride it. I wanted a day or two on a DCT AT with some supervision & instruction, and I got that along with a day off road on very dodgy ground, sliding around in mud, on shale, all sorts. Honestly within 15 minutes I was happy as I could be. Give it a go, folks. Take a test ride.
Just to add, you don't need a 21" front wheel off road for gravel - you need them for obstacles, for rock-hopping and getting over logs. It probably makes very little difference on gravel - look at supermoto bikes.
Doing 98% on road and only wanting a polyvalent bike with the option of the occasionnal off road and being able to travel without much limitations, the AT makes much more sense to me now that it has a 19" front. However, I would have like to have both models be available with a 19 or a 21, as the Adventure Sports also comes with a lot of options that make the price go up a lot...
Thanks for the followup video! Didn't expect a mention 😮
Most comments I guess are not from AT owners as one major thing missing with the update is the backlite switch gear…those of us who use the AT at night (even after many KMs) still struggle sometimes to find the right button…
That's because there are too many stupid buttons and modes.
@@roadwarrior8560 Agree - Honda needs to do a complete rethink on the control/HMI/possibilities
BMW owners are still screaming the same thing as well.
Nice move to split it into more adventure and touring needs
It does make good sense! I bought a 2021 base. I've put the denali, altrider and touratech products on her! She's dct. I wanted to go on byroads, but I have 0 skill level and it's a very heavy expensive bit of kit! So, she is a road tourer! I'm very happy with this bike, not disappointed! Although, I'm going to see if the new tubeless wheels fit my model and if I can buy them from Honda!
Are these bikes still made in Japan?? I can't find information on the production anywhere
I’m using my ATAS off-road a lot less than I used to. And my wife is more and more interested in touring with me so I’m starting to lean towards a DCT version. Tested one last year. Absolutely fantastic. Very intuitive and a lot of fun. Different of course but good different. Love this clip. Very informative and, as always, well balanced information.
Awesome video. What motorcycles do you have? Sir
Would love them to add that super charger getting that torque curve even lower down in the rev range and flat as a table. Maybe as low as peak torque at 3500. Would love that
I never understand the marketing angle they take with these big bikes...huge power slides, wheelies, skids and revs and jumps. You can do all that on one but most people don't
Most can't!! Also, the riders in those vids don't own the bike and don't have to worry about repairs! 😂
DCT is probably annoying people with very good clutch skills when off road riding....I found the same annoyance with quick-shifters on road. You have to "re-learn" something you've been doing for decades to accommodate the new tech. It's annoying as heck. I found when rev matching on the road and using friction zone at low speeds(think squirting out of low speed corners) that quick shifters sometimes interfere with that process....
In fact, at a Suzuki demo day I found myself gravitating back towards non-quick-shifting optioned bikes.
I have a quick shifter on my Norden 901 and I just don't get why it's needed.
@@richardkeeley6927 Yep, I can "quick shift"/rev match on the fly without using the clutch during hard acceleration just fine on the road. Coordinating the quick/brief throttle roll-off with the gear shift up just isn't that hard- then back on the gas.
I glad that Honda never went for BMW's awful beak look.
Agreed 🙏
Ducati and suzuki exited the chat 😅😅
Multistradas literally look like a bird.
@@TheDaemon66 yes. They actually downsized the peak since the first model. The feedback was not good.
Yassss! Fully agree!
I have a multistrada 950 today. I love this bike! It can keep up with any bike in the corners. Only tree problems, offroad, 15 hp and fuel capasity. Will this new AT keep up with a multistrada?
I think its been given the improvements it needed
Thanks, I could listen to hundreds of AT videos from u all day ☺ Smaller tank on the standard? Pop an acerbis long range tank. Lighter plastic, best combination
Luv it ☺ would have been my even more perfect bike in 2020. I'm upgrading my standard.
Honda is tapping further into the market with both bikes.
NOTHING CAN BEATS THE AFRICA TWIN,
People knock the DCT without ever trying it, despite being a sceptic I bought a DCT Crosstourer (because it was cheap, and I wanted to try a Crosstourer, but couldn't get a test ride anywhere) fitted the optional foot gear change and I love it, 5000 miles in 6 months, its like a quickshifter but better, and great in slow moving traffic.
I have a 2020 Adv Sports es manual, and absolutely love it. If the standard model was like this 2024 3 years ago, I would’ve definitely bought it!
Hi, great video very informative. One thing you mentioned was having to pick up a bike with a puncture in your van. Im looking to get a van for transporting my Bonneville rather than tow it on a trailer, and wondered if you had a recommendation for the van as i don’t want it too big as it will be my daily driver, and what sort of mods did you do to make it easier to load and secure. Thanks
My mechanic has a lwb sprinter. Wheel clamps fitted to the bed and straps!
what im guessing theyre doing is seperating the manual to a seperate performance spec model like an Africa Twin Adv Sport Rally or R
Anoyher great video, Bob ! 😊👍
Personally I love reading comments, as it lets me see what different people think about the same subject.
Oops. No - Tubeless are not a pain in the ar5e - the other variety is though. Great vid mate as an ATAS 2020 DCT variety owner - 62 years of age, I was bikeless from 1979 to 2019 (FORTY years) and rode only a couple of times in the 40 years on borrowed bikes. HOWEVER - for me as a Honda boy/man since I could talk, and riding again since 2019, I HATE the DCT when slow manoeuvring.... U turns etc. I WAS going to swap in 2024 for manual, with quick shift. However - for distance riding - DCT is awesome...... but I need control with a clutch when U turning.....
So honda is also going to stop the NT 1100 production? what's the point after the changes on the adventure model?
I love the 19" front wheel, if only Triumph had done the same with a 19" on the front of 1200x Scrambler
Y E S ! Exactly 💯😊👍
Or at the very least give it an 18" or 19" rear to go with that front pizza cutter 21".
Where can US people buy the 2024 version from? I can't find it anywhere on the website.
I think they did a good job, if I had waited for this model year I could have saved some customizing dollars. Making a more definite line between a more road touring bike and a more off road machine works.
Exactly
Muchísimas gracias por los subtitulos en español.
Respecto a la africa twin, creo que es un acierto enorme el DCT, y la llanta de 19, para la gran mayoría de moteros que no pisamos la tierra prácticamente nunca.
El DCT es una maravilla. Es raro que no lo copien inmediatamente otras marcas. Más cómodo y más seguro.
Estéticamente me gusta más la africa twin que la gs, y con el DCT, imbatible.
Un saludo enorme desde Zaragoza (España) ✌🏻👍🏻🙋🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Also in Romania they opted for a DCT only Adv Sp AT, the regular one is manual and auto, and the ES trim level is not available on the website. I got lots of flak from my work peers for pondering on an AT DCT 2024, and go for the manual one and the money for the DCT to be spent on accessories. The thing that annoys me is they are still skipping the sun visor on the TFT.
Would shaft drive be a good thing?
DDX for sale, I wanted the basic AT with ES and Tubeless since I got to test it, DCT was trash on the one I got to test (2023 model).
Now, they finally think of the shorter rider . I will definitely be looking into the new 19 inch front wheel bike .
Good clarification. I was concerned there for a minute. For me, the base model is the way to go, and it looks to be getting better. Now, just to get it onto this side of the pond.
I'd have a tri-color base model, manual, possibly with electronic suspension.
100hp is plenty for a bike that is aimed at offroad riding, but the top-spec road-focused touring version is underpowered, especially with luggage.
The red/white/blue is still the best looking bike in its class, and one of the best looking motorcycles you can buy for any money.
fantastic video Bob, ... after the Africa Twin, ... 'Look-wise" & otherwise, ... you like Ducati Desert-X (937cc V2) more, or the BMW R1300GS (boxer) ?
i don't like the Tiger 1200 or 900
also don't like 1250 Pan-America, 1290 Super-Adventure, 1158cc Multistrada V4
I wonder how many AS DCT Honda sold for each manual AS
Not sure if it’s enough to rip my fully farkled 2018 DCT AT from my hands but . . . a tad lower, a refined DCT and a 19” front tubeless works for me.
tubeless rims 👍
I have the DCT on my 2021 Goldwing Tour and I like it. I think it should still have been an option not a requirement.
I think they have done it to cut manufacturing cost!?
I have a 22 plate model I won't be upgrading to the newer adv sp due to the DCT
I wonder that can you try between 50-70 kmh withour hands and handle bar shaking or not again as old version?If you can test that it will be my pleasure..Because It is cronicle problem. I had 2020 ATAS and my friend has 2021 ATAS,also I have new 2023 ATAS and problem is same.. Between 50-70 kmh handle bar shaking even I tested after my new 2023 ATAS after getting from Honda Shop again same problem with 0 km new for ATAS.. It is cronicle problem for whole CRF1100L AT.. It is not related tyre or balance or top case etc..Unfortunately Honda is not doing anythingelse about the problem..
I see the AS 2024 is available in either black or white/tricolour for 2024.
I want to go for the black with manual gearbox model with quickshifter but I see it comes with black wheels only, the tricolour model comes with gold wheels, I wonder why they don't offer the gold wheels on the black bike? pity.
I like the changes, but was hoping for a supercharger for 2024
In the Netherlands there is a DCT and a manual transmission
I was considering a Tiger 1200 but have changed my mind, I want a 2024 Africa Twin
A comment addition to my previous post on the model comparison . To me the perfect bike has yet to be invented and like a Crescent wrench , adjustable to the job but far from perfect . I have owned a large Adventure touring bike with a 19” front , hardened for the back country roads . A KTM SA-T but while it would get you to the gravel at warp speed , once there it was a front heavy ,big tank , long range fussy beast . It has been replaced with the AT AS manual which is so much better for the expressed purpose (see previous) with the 21 and 50:50 rubber . My long distance road runner is now a KTM SA-S outfitted for tarmac touring only . At the moment a complementary combination . Chose the destination , route , explore options and then the best tool (bike) to complete . My back yard is a very big interesting place to ride and discover . The AT is a great tool. I am the limiting factor in all situations . For me , I chose wisely . Now to fix that *##** throttle snatch ( any ideas out there ?) Cheers RS
What's the fuss about Electronic Suspension then people obviously don't realise you CANNOT service the rear shock unless its ohlins. So when the shocks damping has gone it's £1000's for a new one🤣
Yes, most beautiful ADV on the market. Not even close. Also love the new retro colour scheme on the ATAS.
Why do people think the AT adventure sports wont be available with manual? if i go to the belgian honda website, i can select the top model with MANUAL, either the website is wrong or honda did some poor messaging.
Different options in different parts of the world.
I've ridden bikes on and off since 1988 and had Honda DCT on my last 2 bikes, I won't be going back to manual. It takes a while to get used to it but once you do its makes long distance riding easy and when you really want go mental just stick it in manual
Having tried the AT at launch and a 2018 DCT I would have bought a standard one if it had 19" tubeless wheel!
a curb weight of 227 kg according to manufacturer´s factsheet (probably 230 kg in real life) is high for a motorcycle that is designed for off-road adventure (at least what they want us make believe from the ads). Imho it should come with a reverse gear option and a Li battery to compensate for the add. weight. Thanks for the video!
I've owned a VFR1200 DCT - Its great for traffic but the DCT gets boring real quick.
The DCT should only be an option. I'd rather get the manual ATAS
It is an option - in the Standard model.
Great video! I think the DCT should be an option and the manual as standard. Probably going down the same road as cars. One production line. as far as looks go, I think it's a great looking bike. And they fixed the one thing that was turning many riders away, the seat height . For me, GS all day , every day! Best!
I have a 1250GS but the AT was my next choice....as you mentioned, gorgeous bike!
Im thinking about trading my 850 gs for the new africa twin mainly due to the seat height. The africa twin was my first choice before but it sat too tall for me. Ive been considering the r1300gs as well but...Im divided. The 2024 africa twin adventure is confirmed to be optional for the manual already as I spoke to the dealer manager who ordered the bikes fortunately.
@@renepadilla755 if seat height is an issue, you gan get the r1300gs with self lowering suspension. I had an f850gs prior to my 1250. I loved my 850 but the new one is quite different…in a good way. The Hondas are great too and rock solid. Whatever you do, you’ll be happy I’m sure.
Former AT owner and current GSA owner here. I agree that the AT is the best looking heavy weight adventure bike, but of course looks are subjective. IMHO these are the two best bikes in the segment but they hit in different ways. For the style of riding I do on a big bike the GSA is a better fit for me, at least at the moment. If I need to get more technical and aggressive off-road and require the use of a 21/18 wheel setup then I will be jumping on my KTM 500. For slabbing big miles on the highway with dirt and gravel roads throw in along the way the 19" front wheel is a better fit. While the AT is a great on road bike, it doesn't hold a candle to the GS/GSA in that department but that could change now with the 19" wheel on the AS model. I am not opposed to considering another AT in a few years when I am ready to trade out for a freshie especially since I am not really getting along with the looks of the new 1300 all that well.
I want the standard AT but with 19" wheels and road biased tyres. Don't want to go off road, just love the look and ergos of the AT and want this for the road as cheaply as possible. Perhaps we should all just be grateful they retained the headlight configuration and didn't put the generic light from the Transalp / 500X / Hornet etc.
Not so happy with the lowered suspension and 19” front wheel as I tour and go off road.
Would have been better to have it as an option.
Would have thought they’d have upped the power as now lagging right behind. Will probably stick with my 2022 ATAS, luckily I fully spec’d it !
Been watching the AT. Everyone saying 19" front wheel, BUT Honda websites UK still only show the 2024 AT with a 21"!! ????
Like the 19” wheel, not so DCT. Will it knock down the new GS! No chance.
Buy the base model with standard suspension. Upgrade to top shelf suspension components and its as good as a Desert-X with less issues.
Surely Honda should have just made an upgraded NT1100AS.
DCT is spectacular. I have a 2021 Goldwing DCT tour and a 2023 Rebel 1100dct Tour. Incredible fun. Both of these bikes absolutely haul ass. Button shifting is no issue. And DCT is great for city riding, and HILLS. So if you want a clutch. You do you. I'll stick with the DCT.
Agreed. DCT is magnificent!
Honda UK website shows lowest seat height at 825mm. How did you get to 795mm?
The adventure sports has the lower seat option of 795mm where as the standard is still 825mm
Great stuff, thanks. I’ll take a look.
Great follow up video. I don't understand the complaining about the DCT and 19" front wheel. The changes make perfect sense to me and if you want a 21" front wheel and manual transmission, just buy the Standard model and spec it however you want. It seems that all you are trading off in the Standard now is a bit of fuel (but less weight which is a plus for off road) and some rider creature comforts. Otherwise, the up specced Standard is basically the current AS. I see people complaining about the demise of the 21" front and lower suspension because they need it for off road, while concurrently bemoaning the loss of rider comfort and fuel (= weight). These two things are at odds with each other. All Honda seems to have done is draw a sharper distinction between the touring oriented bike and the off road focused one. I have a 2023 AS with ES and DCT, but if I was buying again, definitely looking at the Standard with options available. What am I missing?
For me, its solely the seat height and tank size. the DCT is confirmed to be optional on adventure models coming to USA. Thats a deal breaker for me so I got lucky.
For the first time since i bought my Tiger 900 GT in 2020, i am tempted to buy a new bike : an Africa Twin Adventure Sports 2024 manual (if available in Canada). It could be my dream bike…
But sadly, actually i don’t have the budget to change my bike & i still love my Tiger.
I have always loved the AT and owned a couple over the years I switched to KTM since Honda had no real ADV bike on the market so when the new AT was announced I was extremely happy but once it came out I was really disappointed with the power and still am that bike needs at least a boost of 40Hp to be competitive with other bikes on the market
I traded my 2017 AT for a 2023 Norden 901. The Norden is a great bike, but reliability has shown to be ???. So, I will be going back to the 2024 ATAS, manual. Even with the 1st gen AT, I never felt I required more power and it will be even less so with the 1100 ATAs
10:05 as a f 850 gs owner I admit that the at look great
Honda needs to bring the new AT and the NT1100 to the US. It's about time. Triumph 900 GT is a worthy option if not.
Pricing is really interesting how it differs from country to country. In NZ, new GS's are close to 40K, the new 1300 probably more. Base model AT's are leaner, just picked up a brand new 2022 for $23K (got discounted for stock clearance - only difference between '22 & '23 is slightly more blue). Here this is only a few more grand than a new T7. The '24 upgrades are of course better, but for what probably will be close to $30K? Just refinement culture at this point. Fundamentally the same bike. Would love to have it but for many normal people the price will be the difference between having one and not. And am already kicking myself for spending this much...
Would love to have seen them fix the 20 second dash and safety warning nanny on the '24 but I somehow doubt it... perfect bike if so.
Tralsalp xl750 suddenly popped in my feed and surprise how expensive it is in Singapore, close to x2 where I am which is already expensive by around 20-30% for how much they're going for in other western countries.
17k for a full spec in Miami
AT looks better than the GS by a country mile. No DCT please. I like working the friction zone of the clutch for control.
Not Fan of DCT. You don't need 21 inch for gravel. I'd take the standard version. AT is better looking versus 1300GS but I don't mind they looks of it. It just kinda looks like a VStrom now.
In sweden you can buy a Adventure sports manual.
If the Honda offered DCT and 150 hp it would be a no brainer for me. The dct is awesome, just wish it had more power. But literally everything else about the bike i absolutely love, and the dct is definitely one of the things to love. Others are looks, sound, handling, comfort, feel of quality. Just want moaaarrr powerrrrr
The only problem is that you cannot get DCT basic model without electronic suspension. Thus it's super annoying because it suddenly becomes crazy expensive.
I do love DCT, just did my first trip ever on DCT through Europe for 30 days. I doubt I'll ever want anything but DCT. I'm actually in need of a bike, but Transalp doesn't have DCT option, and AT is just too big, too heavy and too expensive (because you can't get basic version with JUST DCT).
I just put a custom Corbin seat on my 2022 Africa Twin AS ES. The factory seat is for the showroom only. The new Corbin supports my 250 lb. much better than the bent plastic from the factory.
Hit a nerve with some of us 😂 Indeed! The bike is both great looking and not a one-upmanship exercise on tech and power. That’s a good recipe to stir reactions. I ride a 2021 DCT ES so I’m totally biased of course 😅 Thanks Motobob
The standard is looking the goods as the leader for my adventure into adventure with an Indian Chieftain 116 ready in garage a big adv bike. Is the next destination thanks @motobob
Personally I like the idea of DCT on an ADV because shifting with MX boots has never been as smooth for me as I do with street boots. (e.g. Dainese Torque 3) And I don't want to have to compromise to street boots or ADV boots.
I was having the same problem with my GS and someone suggested lower pegs...installed Tourtech pegs that are 20mm lower and voila....problem solved...btw they're also wider so they're more comfortable
i can totally relate and problem multiplied if big feet to start with it is awful period if using high end mx boots which are much bigger than cheap boots that lack protections
Just got an update from Honda NZ today. We will have both options. Manual and DCT on the ADV Sport. We unfortunately have to wait till September 2024. NZ is always way behind with most brands except with the Triumph 2024 models. They are already on the showroom floor. I was hoping for the 19" front wheel. I will be on gravels roads maybe 30% at most so this suites me perfectly. The question I have to ask myself : is the 2024 AT ADV S with a much higher price tag(app 5.3k-5.9k really worth it?... comparing to the 2024 Tiger 900 GT Pro/Rally Pro. a GR8 PLUS POINT FOR BOTH BIKES (Honda and Triumph) ARE THE INCREDIBALY "FAST" CHIPS THEY USE IN THE DISPLAYS. WHY?? is it on special on AliExpress??? (SARCASTIC)
I have a buggered left hand which makes it stiff and painful to transistion from gripping bar to the clutch but I still hate the added weight of DCT so the answer? DUHH Honda needs to offer their new E Clutch to the standard manual tranmission for the perfect compromise between DCT and manual....actually BETTER because the E-clutch lets you select back to regular manual clutch whenever you miss having your own clutch lever....btw I wonder what happenes when one pulls the clutch with E clutch? Probably just overlaps is my guess and wont hurt nor help anything
4:00 I think you meant to say tubed tires not tubeless tires as of now it does not make sense
low seat option doesnt change the FOOT PEG HEIGHT
Had a cbr650r sold now I have a Africa twin dct 🎉❤❤❤❤ just fantastic
Did they make the air filters accessible without having to remove about 84 fasteners of various sizes with different tools and breaking a half dozen plastic fairing tabs? (That’s hyperbole fellas) ADV bikes are meant to be ridden in dirty & dusty off-road conditions, so easy air filter servicing is pretty important. That’s been a big fail in the Africa Twin’s design since day 1.
It seems Honda really does listen to its clients. I'd be surprised to see a six cylinder, shaft drive A-T.
The biggest reason I have never bought an AT is the tubed tires (the AS felt too big), I think the new tubeless is a big upgrade. IMO CC is a really nice thing in the US with the highways but here in Asia with the road conditions I can't use CC or heated grips. I'd like a stripped down base model. Tubeless, MT, and priced cheaper without CC and heated grips.
The problem with ES on the ATAS, is it’s not suitable for two up riding with luggage when the bike is being run at heavy loads. It’s just not man enough for the job.
To set it up properly you’ve got no choice but to upgrade the suspension. Plenty of posts about this fact on the forums.
I have a ‘22 Manual ATAS and have upgraded it to Ohlins with a added beefier rear spring and it’s now perfect. It can quickly be adjusted for single riding or two up with luggage and doesn’t lose any of it’s composure. This is something not easily achieved with an ES bike as many owners have discovered to their cost!
Having DCT on a bike would feel so awkward for someone who's acquainted with manual clutch usage
Africa Twin every day of the week. New GS 1300 under whelming. Will keep my 1250 GSA. Im Lucky enough to also have a 22 Africa Twin. Great Content as normal
The Super Tenere will always be there for you...
I like the look of the new 1300 gs but its still way behind the looks of the Africa Twin which is definitely the best looking bike .
On the europe website.....2024 adventure sport manual and dct
The BMW GS 1300 looks better now (I wouldn't say that before the GS redesign) but I'd still get the Africa Twin I think. A vertically challenged friend has always wanted one though and will be very happy they've lowered the seat to 795 mm with low seat. I sent this to him and the tubeless tires and DCT/ESS options will be nice to have too vs having to get the adventure sports.
They didn't ruin at all. Couldn't care less about some hilarious comments of people, who do not even own an AT. But great job again, Motobob. Totally agree regarding the looks. ❤
Owning a Crosstourer dct, the new AS dct is 100% my next bike.
I LOVE my DCT. People need to get over themselves, so many people think they are professional rally riders. I have taken my Africa Twin through Moab and the Mid Atlantic BDR and can say I am glad I had the DCT and did not have to devote brain cells to shifting and could concentrate on all the other things trying to kill me instead. Its a fantastic bike and I was only able to tackle such a challenging ride because of the DCT not in spite of it. Try a DCT first before you turn your noses up to it. I love the new color schemes too.
People complain about DCT are also the first people that will install quick shifters and other shifting mods. The fn irony
With no doubt, always choose with DCT, it’s incredible for everyrhing
i looked at the africa twin and chose a triumph xcx.... again, chose a SuperAdv S, then again and chose a Rallye 1250 GS. For a bike that should grab my attention due to the Honda badge and Africa Twin label, I felt nothing for it, DCT or no.
DCT is becoming Honda's signature, much like the boxer twin is BMW's. They're probably testing the waters, seeing what they can get away with. If they can still move gobtons of bikes with DCT, they won't have to *also* manufacture manual transmissions. Having both must really cut into their margins. Having just one transmission is where it's at from a business standpoint. And it plays well into Honda's earned reputation for reliability. If you're in the camp of "I'm never going to buy a DCT bike" I reckon you've either never really spent a long time on one, or you might be masochistic. Either way, they aren't aiming it at you. Go ahead and get that Super Tenere if you like. It'll be really interesting if this moves across the rest of their motorcycle lineup, even to the models that don't currently offer DCT at all.