Super Star Furthermore, this whole notion that a band is not “live” because they have backing tracks is absolutely ludicrous. It’s 2019, that’s how the live stage has evolved. that is how the delivery of performance has changed. It’s incredible when people refuse to leave the stone ages. And by the way, to take this to a much deeper level up intellect for a moment, how the heck does someone think that just because they view “live” as being one way, how does that make it “live”? Meaning: that’s his definition. Why does he think his definition is above another’s? Btw, it’s a definition created by someone else, somewhere along the way that he chose to follow. Why? Do u see where I’m going with this? It’s just ridiculous. All of it. I can’t even continue with this, it’s high school drama. “Tommy is copying Ace.” Ummmmm no! It’s a guy dressed as Tommy now. How is that not obvious?! The character used to be played by Ace, now its Tommy etc etc. I don’t see Mr Trunk whining daily about which guy plays the Phantom of the Opera. Omfg lol, so silly these people are sometimes. I see a cheeseburger one way and he sees it another, who cares! Be greatful u get to eat the fucking cheeseburger! Again sorry for typos, trying at stop lights:)
Eddie is delusional on so many topics here. The point is, he complains on almost every show that the band that kiss is presently, is not the band that he used to admire. That’s a fault of his own expectations, actually not a fault, it’s just his expectations are different from others. I know many people agree with him, but let’s face it, his point of view is caused by his arrogance to think that the band he used to admire so much should remain the same and not evolve, almost to appease him it seems. To make HIM happy. God that’s so freaking gross lol. They are no longer a band because they have two different members? Well I don’t think there’s any professional sports team currently they have any of the original members. I don’t think there’s any professional sports teams that has the original coach. I don’t think there’s any McDonald’s that has any of the original employees working for them. And so on and so on. It’s like he is picking on this team, KISS, because they are a band that has evolved away from something he used to admire. Well if he now dislikes them, Great, dislike them, but trying to shove down peoples throats all day long that because they have evolved, they are now somehow “fake” is unrealistic and unprofessional and childish. Incredibly disappointing actually. Businesses need to evolve, kiss is a business and they are doing quite well being the entity they are. Such hypocrisy! He complains about this band but I can almost bet never complains about the references I mentioned above. Not one of them. It’s pick on KISS day all day long for these individuals. So sorry that KISS did something that u didn’t approve of and are somehow now a tribute band in ur eyes lol. Jesus our species is doomed. So many individuals that limit their thinking, that leads to limited lives, and a hell of a lot of unhappiness. Sorry about typos. Writing this at stop lights lol
“What does the Mark Cicchini band want to do next??” Lol Mark still acts like that 12 year old Kiss fan who can’t handle someone ripping on his favorite band.
Why does Mark get so butt hurt over someone having a opposing view when it comes to Kiss, Eddie said it best when he mentioned how the band changes there slogans and views when comes down to brainwashing fans into to buying the next big thing. I have no problem with Tommy and Eric in the band, cause they are good musicians. But they should have striped the makeup and costumes after the hit and run tour in 07, reinvented the look similar to the revenge era. Carrying on for as long as they have in the makeup is discrediting history of the band and that why there is such a backlash with the fans in last ten years or so. I will continue to enjoy the classic sound of KISS from the 70's and some of the 80's. I Already saw a farewell show in July 2000 in Winnipeg and it was fantastic show and a great time, but I have no interest in seeing a watered down version of it this time around.
He does. Mark, we know you love Kiss--so do many of us. No need to defend them as if they are your blood relatives being shot at by machine guns or stabbed with machetes. Just relax.
I am absolutely, 100% in agreement with Eddie on Tommy and Eric wearing Ace and Peter's makeup. The whole point of the characters in the first place was they were supposed to be EXTENSIONS of the people's personalities who created them. Tommy and Eric should have been allowed to come up with their own personas. To me, that was a line Paul and Gene should have never crossed.
That's the most intelligent comment and take I've read on this to date. The Spaceman and Catman aren't extensions of Tommy and Eric's personalities whatsoever. Therein lies the problem. They are masquerading as characters pure and simple. People seem to forget that Paul was the 'Bandit' before he became the 'Starchild', so it's not as if there hasn't been room in Kiss for other personae's. Tommy and Eric should have been given the option of coming up with their own characters, same as Vinny Vincent and Eric Carr were allowed to.
@@P121463S Peter sold the rights to the Carman makeup. Ace was smart and only licensed his, so he has revenue continuously coming in from merchandising and concert ticket sales.
@@P121463S I'm sure Ace's lawyer advised him not to sell the rights to the makeup, as he and his estate had more to gain by licensing it. Peter, on the otherhand, was in more financial dire straits and accepted the huge lump sum of cash from Paul and Gene to essentially be bought out. I know he regrets doing so in hindsight.
killerdude35 They can't. Only the four marketable images are the original. KISS now contains to members , Gene and Paul. They other two are hired set players .
@@777zippy777 No, Trunk is not coming from a "cold and unfeeling" approach. He's coming from a "this is not how I remember it from my childhood" perspective. Funny how Trunk liked Kiss in the 80s with two different members, but the second that the gimmick is involved, it's a different story. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MAKEUP, A GIMMICK FOR TRUNK. And I just have to laugh that a 54 year old man is not liking the band NOW because of the makeup, the same reason that people told him that Kiss sucked in the 70s. He's become exactly what he hated. Also, has Trunk ever referred to Kiss in the 80's as "a version of Kiss"? "It's just not the same anymore" - Trunk Like I said, he wants something that lives up to his childhood memory of decades ago. It's unrealistic.
The critics said in the 70s that the fans only cared about the makeup and not the players, right? In this case, it’s true, Trunk’s problem is that the makeup bothers him, not the players He even stated that he had no problem with any of the other members of the band, he ONLY has a problem because they wear the makeup. Once again, the critics stated that was the only thing that the fans cared about, the makeup. Everyone is hung up the gimmick. If Kiss performs without makeup, they are a band. If Kiss performs the same exact show with the makeup, a gimmick, then they become a “cover band”. So, you have to ask yourself, what makes a band for you? The music or the makeup? Kiss fans used to say that they were a real band and the gimmick meant nothing, that the music was the most important thing, right? When they took off the makeup, Paul stated that the makeup never wrote the songs and all the fans were behind it. Now, the band, which have recorded new music, and had the same lineup for the last 18 (?) years have zero credibility AGAIN because they put makeup on. I am 49 years old, saw my first show in 79, and when I look at Kiss now, I see a band that I like with a gimmick, four guys dressed as characters, same as I did then. Trunk can only see them as he did when he was young, which is why is can’t accept them as is now. I mean, is Ace from Jendel or from the Bronx? Because if you really believe that they are their characters, if you take the Aucoin hype as factual information, Ace is not from the Bronx, right? Also, just because the gimmick doesn’t mean everything to the fan and they enjoy different lineups, doesn’t mean the fan is a blind follower. That’s a misnomer. I’ve never met a single Kiss fan who has never criticized the band over something. And, if Paul is singing half the tunes, and has been shown that he is singing live most of the time with tracks as a crutch, that means that roughly 75% of the show is still live. I can live with that.
@@777zippy777 Well, obviously Kiss fans DO care about the makeup. What's the problem that Trunk has with current Kiss? THE MAKEUP. You even said it. "If I call out KISS for a lack of credibility in any way, it's going to be about TWO things right now: 1. Gene & Paul having Tommy & Eric adopt the personas that Ace & Peter created." So, what is the reason you would call out the band on credibility again? THE MAKEUP. (besides stating that you never meant the band has no credibility but you did state " KISS has become a joke."???So, the band is a joke but you think they have credibility? Seriously?) Also, are they really personas anymore??? There's no mystique, everyone knows who they are, what they look like, etc. It hardly fits the definition of a persona. They're fucking costumes. We're adults. And please stop with the Aucoin hype quote "They are extensions of our personalities." That was just some bullshit to give the gimmick credibility to the press. Mark even blew Trunk out of the water with that one. Had Trunk stuttering ,trying to throw in some "revisionist history" when the shit Mark said is from the 70s. Also, Aucoin said in 79 that the characters (and he did specifically use the term "characters") could and would live on past the members. So, yeah, it's just a matter of opinion. But please stop trying to give it some huge moral weight when it's just gimmick. Also, your 50% tribute band definition doesn't even make sense. The Ramones were not a 50% tribute band with CJ and Marky in the lineup, correct? Did they wear the Ramones costumes? Yes. And they were costumes. There were rules for the jackets, the sneakers, the haircuts, etc. No difference. And as for Trunk talking about all the stuff that critics said about Kiss when he was a kid, that he is basing so much of his opinion on, you said it best. "You're basing your argument on what you think the critics said about KISS fans? 1. It's highly debatable that that's even accurate. 2. Who gives a shit what the critics said about KISS in the '70s? Most of them were aging hippies or Elvis fans anyway." Gee, I guess Eddie should have spoke to you first.
Lance E I think Eddie’s issue is more with the revisionist history that Gene and Paul are trying to sell, i.e: Eric Carr’s position and importance to kiss from 80-91 being diminished, Gene saying Ace was fired 3x, Paul taking issue with anyone that has a difference of opinion from him, Mark St. John being referred to as a shredder with no soul, etc. Instead of these members being treated as valued, they’re diminished as being more of a convenience because of the time they’re sold. That’s Eddie’s issue. He’d rather Paul and Gene own their mistakes and not revise history in their favor to put down everyone else that was part of their history. That being said, I enjoyed this episode of the podcast. Kudos. 👍
I agree with Mark on some of it and I agree with Eddie on some of it. I agree with Eddie on the lip syncing Paul is definitely using some assistance it's obvious he don't sound like he used to during the lick it up tour or the revenge tour. But I agree with Mark on people not checking all these boxes when they go to a Kiss concert. I also agree with Mark on the whole Shock Me discussion.. he said ace can play Love Gun because he was on the record well Shock Me was on that same record kiss plays Kiss songs.. so I agree with Mark on that part. I agree with Eddie when he says those characters were Ace Peter Paul Gene.. I don't agree with Mark when he says Bill a coin was selling the four characters even back in the 70s.. yes I was born in 88 but I've seen the kiss your face makeup commercials and they clearly say Peter Paul Gene Ace. Also kiss wasn't selling those four characters in 1982 or 1983?
I guess if your gonna brag about how much Kiss shit you buy and collect and show it off for the world to see you got to expect some blow back.Some people might be jealous and some people might think it is ridiculous some might think it is cool.How much do you think a sword cost to manufacture and a guitar strap from this tour?These are not 70s items so I get Trunks point that they are ridiculously over priced and how kiss is trying to take advantage of people.I think Mark is just upset Kiss finally is charging more then he can justify paying.Either way I enjoy the show for what it is.
Mark is very passionate and he and Eddie have a very different views of what is going on now. That is what makes the interview intriguing and gives it it's credibility. The Yin/Yang is what really makes it worthwhile that Mark is there.
At 17:36 I cant disagree more! No, we were attached to the person under the makeup which was Paul, Gene, Ace, and Peter. There are no replacements that cut it for me. Could you imagine if Paul left today and Gene found another singer so the band could go on? Would that work for you? I bought the KISS Army membership back in 75 and 76 and still have the entire packets. For me it was always about the men and not the character they portray.
Just a slight correction...too many years ago! I believe my first membership was from 1976 and the second 1977. I don't think the KISS Army started in 1975, but I could be wrong.
Absolutely. Anyone who was around then knows they were never thought of that way. And that includes Mark. He knows his argument is BS. He has to know. Nobody called them "The Spaceman" and 'the Vampire...etc
@@greglamb4079 Of course he knows, he was just desperately trying to win the point . Eddie had him on the ropes a number of times , but respectfully let him off easy.
What about the Kiss makeup commercial where they said You can Look Like Paul,Look Like Ace,Look Like Gene,Look Like Peter? Aucoin wasn't selling them as just Star Child,Spaceman,Demon,Catman with that.
Same thing during the Reunion years. It Was always ”Ace and Peter are back”. Always Ace and Peter, Ace and Peter. Never never it Was about ”The Catman and Spaceman”. Always Ace and Peter are back
Great show. Very valid points of Eddie. Couldn't agree more with him. Mark is the weakest link imo. Very exhausting to listen to because he rarely keeps it concise.
I agree with Eddie. Well said. Conan 1812 has posted about this before. KISS proudly introduces their shows with "You wanted the best, You got the best, The hottest band in the world..." Playing to tracks and lip-synching in the live arena is not giving fans "the best." We've all heard the comments about how Bill Aucoin thought the opening to the reunion tour with just a curtain drop was weak. Once again, what would he say about this issue? Lip-synching on TV or for a video is one thing, but to do it live - No. That is not rock and roll. Let's end this debate now: Motorhead never played to tracks and Lemmy, even with failing health, did not lip-synch.
Eddie Trunk owned this interview. Why? Because smart, cogent analysis with facts and data to back it up. Additionally, I'm impressed by the professionalism of this spirited debate. Mad props to all. 💥
The bloke with the red hat is a fan boy and can't be objective, and seems to make comparisons that hold no water. Seems also to piss his money away on a lot of junk attached to Kiss, has no issue with lip syncing? Weird.
Probably the best episode I’ve watched in a long time. Thanks guys for bringing in Eddie Trunk. Everyone was professional and shared their views and opinions without making it personal. Double thumbs up 👍👍
This is GENE SIMMONS from the ROCK BAND KISS. Eddie is correct, There are many products and packages for our loyal fans but what were most excited about is our new product, THE KISS TOILET. An approved KISS contactor will come out to install your new KISS toilet. Once installed just flush your hard earned money down your new Kiss toilet while you listen to DEUCE one more time. Then flush your pride down your new KISS toilet.
Same here. Every time they've come since then I have asked, "can it possibly be better than Tiger Stadium 1996?" Every time the answer has been no for me.
Michael Brandvold I’m here to have fun and poke fun with/at our favorite band. Sorry you took it as a jab, but great conversation anyhow. And yes, Bands I love faking it is important and disappointing to me, and apparently to your guest as well.
@@andreana2112 bro I never knew this dude is so thin skinned?? I'm 40 been a kiss fan since age 6 or 7 and am disappointed how they've ended the whole thing. Seems this is one of those believe and dig everything I do or your wrong? But I do enjoy the show for the most part.
Chris Ingram hey, it’s cool if brandvold digs it, that’s his prerogative. They have cut down a little bit on the vocal track, but it’s just not my thing. Forget the haters, we won. ...although I wish mike would stop hating.
Look at REDWINGS’ demeanor change when EDDIE mentions backing tracks. Of course KISS is gonna amp up the production. It’s to distract the fans from Paul😂
I love to go back and rewatch old episodes of Three Sides and this is one of my all time favorites. Its so nice to see people with a difference of opinion able to have an honest, intelligent and respectful discussion. Its because of this that makes it worth listening to. Unfortunately there is not enough of this in the world.
Best show I've heard you guys do in a long time. Excellent work. My only issue is that Mark really has the blinders on with Paul and the lip-synching. Mark, it is so obvious in the video clips from the KISS Kruise that Paul is singing to pre-recorded tracks. Whether or not that matters to you or detracts (or doesn't) from your enjoyment of the show is your business. All I'm saying is that the lip-synching is obvious and it's taking place. Take that for whatever it's worth to you. Anyway, really enjoyed this episode, fellas.
On the topic of lip syncing. What I found odd was when Mark stated (and Tommy later concurred) that he lived through the Kruise and didn’t need to watch a RUclips video on it to determine if he’s really doing it or not. Why not? Is it because it would confirm Eddie’s point? Just because you didn’t notice it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I am with Eddie on his points 100% everything Kiss does gets a no questions asked pass by some of their fans. I often wonder if they would give Kiss a pass if Tommy was playing air guitar to a pre recorded track for the sake of “the show”., because that’s exactly what Paul did on the Kruise with his voice.
@@StrangerThings72 LMAO, now that is funny as hell! Good thing we don't care what you like... the dynamics with Mark and a million times better than Mitch. We are actually having fun now.
I enjoy the show and the dynamics with the three of you now works very well. Three different types of fans/experiences/personalities. As a 20 year radio personality, the balance of the three of you works very well now.
Trunk makes valid points that I cringe a little at but he also says some things that I just cringe at. He undeniably carried the torch for KISS during some lean years. The KISS that may have been polarizing for various reasons when we were in High School, are perceived now as polarizing for much different reasons. 45 years is a hell of a career, speaking for myself I can't say I've loved every single year, but the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Great show!! I agree with much of what Mark said. I gained a lot of respect for Eddie though. His points were made with alot of merit, even if I happen to disagree. One of the best 3 sides shows I've heard!!
If you paid good money to see the New York Philharmonic perform a symphony by Beethoven, or Dvorak, or Tchaikovsky (did I manage to spell all those correctly?), and found out they were playing with tracks.... what would you make of that?
It's finally great to hear Eddie on another show aside from his own. Eddie is an innovator of this whole music news media style. Pretty much bringing it both news and disc jockey style. Alot of these pod casts are getting better because of his cutting edge leadership in this end of the music. He has the balls to make his point against all three personalities here. And this is just a debate in the world of KISS. I'm with Eddie. 100% original members. I mean KISS is KISS. But, what if Tommy wanted to be Vinnie? Ooops I meant the Ankh Warrior!!!! And Eric Singer wanted to respectfully be Eric Carr the Fox? I mean that is KISS also. Right!?!?
Tommy and Eric don't have any say in who they want to be. Not their band, not their decision. KISS is a band, has always been a band... regardless of who is in the band or what makeup is being worn. I fell in love with a band, not a person.
@@MichaelBrandvold I was being a wise ass. And yes KISS is a band. But...how contradicticing. And I quote you. " Tommy and Eric don't have any say in who they want to be. Not their band, not their decision " and then you say "KISS is a band, has always been a band" Duh!!! I mean Gene and Paul still get to keep all the money if "The Band" wanted to put on the other trade marked make up that is also the KISS band. Not one person!!! I'm making a point too!!!
Shit!!! I thought some people would redpond to my response to this guy. I mean Tommy can learn the Vinnie style to play Ace's original solos as modified by Vinnie. And Eric Singer can play Eric Carr just as well as he does in the first place. We can have them do " Creatures of the Night" in its entirety. Tommy already has worn the costume that Ace really never toured in. So... Why not prove that he can play like Vinnie as well. It would be better than the real Vinnie at this point. Fans would love it more than seeing him posing as Ace. It would piss Vinnie off. And Gene and Paul would get a kick out it and some $$$. I love KISS. And I'm just putting this out there because Vinnie has those gigs in February. And no insult to Eric Singer. Because he would probably be up for it. But, yes. Let me put it out there!!!
One of the arguments that separates Eddie Trunk, myself, and other KISS fans from many other KISS fans, is the issue that Eric & Tommy could not come up with their own makeup designs and become their own characters. Your telling me that the four original makeups were the ONLY cool designs anyone could come up with?? The rebuttal is always “well it became disingenuous, what would have been next: turtle boy, frog man??) I find this totally ridiculous. We all know is was to keep the classic image of KISS…to look like the people on the classic album covers. I wish this issue could be put to bed.
@S S Oh I don't know, how 'bout Turtle Boy and Frog Man? Just Kidding! Well, they could of been a Biker, a Sailor, a Construction Worker, a Cowboy, a Cop, a Native American, an Army Guy, a Leather Man....Just Kidding again! I'm sure there are plenty of artists and designers that could have come up with something pretty cool. Or Eric and Tommy I'm sure would have loved to have taken a crack at coming up with something for themselves. That's the problem, I really don't know what they are into, their own identities don't show through, because they are just another Catman and Space Man.
I think like most KISS fans, we will have to agree to disagree. The point I was trying to make was: it's not a matter, or an easy task, for ME to come up with additional characters...but someone (hopefully Eric & Tommy) could have come up with some. And I don't think they would have been anymore silly (cool) than a Demon, Lover, Cat or Spaceman. We accepted them (oh not to mention a Fox and an Ankh Warrior ...OK that one was ridiculous!) we could not accept a couple more??
What an amazing show of shows....3 Sides is definitely not gonna do an end of the road! I like an adult conversation with wonderful points of view.... no backing tracks on this episode... just the real deal! Thanks guys!
Great episode fellas. Very respectful conversation. I have been critical of Eddie over the past few years, but I thought he gave some great insights as to why he feels like he feels. Great work!!
I agree! He is no saint, but the clips on youtube are often taken out of context. I think "Metal Highlights" and "Metalfavs" are the channels. They only post when Eddie gets worked up over something, and perhaps only a small portion of the Him bashing Van Halen or Kiss, gets them more subscribers and viewers, so the clips are made that way. And sadly there is a lot of plain and simple....STUPID people calling it. "Hey man, what happened to Blackie Lawless?" "What happened to Bruce Kulick after he was let go from Kiss?"....
Respectful conversation, some less than respectful comments left here (Not this thread...just in general). No wonder some folks think KISS fans are nutz.
But they DID become a kiddie band. Had they stayed like they were up through Alive and not stuff like Unmasked, Dynasty, The Elder, etc.....They would have stayed reputable. They sold out with the toys that were all marketed to 6 year olds and NOT the teenage hard rock fan like they attracted in the beginning.
You are 100% correct and what's really at the core of this debate is where you came into the KISS timeline and at what age. I was 14 when I first heard 'Alive' and immediately bought the first 3 albums which, to this day, l feel are the only consistent (from start to finish) albums in their catalogue. When 'Destroyer' was released I was right there because I was thrilled to learn one of my favorite producers (Bob Ezrin) was on board and he had never let me down with, my favorite group at the time, the original Alice Cooper Band. Also, it had a fantastic cover from Ken Kelly, one of my favorite artists; like Frank Frazetta, he became known to rock album collectors for album cover art as well as illustration work in the realms of horror SF/Fantasy. Placing the album on the turntable, it started off very promising... until 'Great Expectations' and I got the taste of the first KISS song I literally hated. I understood the context of the song when listening to the album in its conceptual (start to finish) form but I still hated it. I had high hopes for 'Rock and Roll Over' and I loved several tracks on it but it ultimately felt like KISS was trying too hard to be that KISS I liked on the first 3 albums. Then 'Love Gun ' sealed the deal; I only liked two or three songs with 'Shock Me' being the best. But I stuck it out for 'Alive II' and was at least rewarded with the studio side. At that point I realized the band were now super heroes and not New York Dolls or Stooges. End of story. I would check back on them occasionally over the years and spotted a good to great track now and then but nothing like 'Goin' Blind' or 'Cold Gin' came my way. I will say that I was surprised at how much I liked 'Carnival of Souls' when a friend introduced it and was not surprised that it was a 'gene album' and not a favorite of Paul Stanley. Take that album out of the context of it's release and forget about the grunge you may find a pretty decent hard rock album.
There is nothing that will make me go to the 'End of the Road' tour...simple. I love Kiss, but I don't swallow everyhting being served w. hook, line and sinker. I saw them in 2017...it was not good. That was the first time I saw them since the 'Sonic Boom' tour, and it was shocking... They rocked on the 'Sonic Boom' tour. Paul sounded a bit "rough", yes, but by the third song, he sang like the 'Alive 35' tour, which people say was the last tour he sang somewhat great. Gene and Eric Singer was barely able to hold it together. I love Paul, Gene and all...and I understand the passion people have for them to continue, but for me...they don't cut it anymore. It's just my opinion. Obviously shared by lots of others,, but still...my opinion. I fully feel the passion people have when they say they can take their kid to a Kiss-show for the first time etc. That magic... I get it I truly do, but I must pass on this one, and it doesn't matter if its the last tour. Bruce Kulick has blown the band itself off the stage during the last two Kiss cruises, and Gene Simmons solo shows are more interesting and relevant now than Kiss is, that also sums up a lot... I "understand" that Paul will have to use some backing tracks to keep him being able to do shows 3 days in a row, but I cant accept it as a fan. It's wrong for me. I want pure rock 'n' roll, but its the only way Paul is able to get through such a massive tour. And I can't accept it. People are welcome to go, me and Eddie Trunk won't stop you, or try to "sabotage" your experience. XD It's funny how worked up Mark gets. Eddie is NO saint, but he has valid points I can relate to. :) I love listenting to Eddie getting worked up as well. Someone give the rest of us some popcorn...
I agree with Eddie 100% You find fans like Mark in every band fan base that support every band decision, buy every album, merch, etc and believe the band/members can never do wrong.. It is what it is. They are incapable of constructive criticism..
Thanks for another amazing episode. You know, I agree with all Eddie´s points, but I like you guys more as persons, and it is very nice and fun being part of these discussions. What I was really amazed about Mark was that he preferred the Creatures tour instead of the Dinasty.
Happy New Year guys! Loved the discussion with Eddie and his honesty about his opinion. I listen to him on Sirius XM radio and always enjoy his talk about the world of rock. Hope you’ll have him on again. P. S. - I’ve been a Kiss fan since I was 8 and though I get what Eddie was saying about the Spaceman and Catman characters, Gene and Paul are still there and I’ll be at the End of the Road shows reliving that feeling of being a kid again. All due respect to Ace and Peter, love em and certainly hope they’ll be involved in some way when Kiss’ final note is played 🎶
All the participants to this "discusion" expressed their opinions about seven times. That's why this "mature" conversation lasts as long as it lasts. Editing would have generated a show of about 20 min in length.
No disrespect...but Mark is just TOO MUCH on this! Let the other guys speak! And stop interrupting Trunk, he's your guest. Mark sidelines important parts with erroneous rabbit holes-its aggravating man.
I'm a little late to this comment party but finally got a chance to listen to the whole show. This was probably one of the best episodes in my opinion. Nothing against Mark but, I will leave it that. I do love his passion but as it has been said, agree to disagree Here is my two cents on why I dislike and dont agree with Tommy and Eric wearing the Makeup. KISS as quoted by Paul himself, Kiss is a band that has four stars. Each of the members sing lead on certain songs that also will be played live. Each of the member created their own persona based on their personalities. As quoted by Gene, KISS is band structured the way the Beatles did it, Four stars in the band. This is why IMO why some KISS fans do not like what KISS is doing with Ace and Peter's makeup and it's not the same thing when people make comparisons to bands like Judas Priest, Whitesnake, ect Lastly, I am a big fan since 1976 and still a fan with floor tickets to the End of the Road tour. I am looking forward to seeing them on their last tour. It is bitter sweet for me Hope that everyone that bought Tickets to the tour has a Blast😁
I didn't even know who Eddie Trunk was at all until recently when I noticed some of his segments showing up on RUclips. He seems fairly reasonable and he's apparently been in radio a long time - he's professional radio personality. I've listened to 3 sides a few times and these guys appear to be Kiss fanboys first and foremost. Their show is a Kiss fan show. Mark is the "comic book guy" from the Simpsons. He spends his entire life collecting Kiss memorabilia. So, you know, any criticism about Kiss is a criticism of Mark. Of the three, Mark has always seemed the least articulate. Eddie has just thought about the rock industry a bit more in-depth. When I was a kid, I thought Kiss were the greatest band alive. I still love their music. But I love it not because it's great music, but because it's fun, schlocky bubblegum. My first reaction to the latest farewell tour was, "I gotta see them one last time!" Then as I looked at tickets and thought about it some more it quickly became "Nah, I'm good." Quite simply, seeing them one more time is more apt to dissapoint me (because of all issues as of late with lip syncing, backing tracks, selling selling selling and on and on). I'm okay with the Kiss ship having sailed for me.
If you're not familiar with Eddie, I encourage you to search for, and watch back episodes of VH1's "That Metal Show" which Eddie hosted (no longer in production), here on RUclips. Awesome show.
50 yr old life long kiss fan, Eddie loves to hear himself talk and is redundant as hell! But I agree 100% with him on the state of kiss right now, and using Peter and Aces makeup! No problem with Tommy and Eric at all but do not like the band how they are now. But my God the baby boy in the red wings gear cannot be objective!! He is what is wrong with kiss fans now a days! I'll never listen to this podcast again! Grow up dudes! See the reality.
I'm laying here listening to this, the kiss army is still alive and well. Growing up with a disablity life has been a battle, I'm so lucky to have seen the current lineup 3x with my father and we are going to see them for the fourth time at rodgers arena. The first show on the tour I have no clue what to expect this time and this last show is important. When that curtain drops it's truly going to be something special.
I'm just going to say what an amazing show for the first show back. Life long kiss fan as well, I do think we are all passionate about our favorite band being a kiss fan takes a special type of person, that's how the kiss army came to be. Wow I'm impressed, it is interesting to hear all the different options.
Thank you guys for doing the podcast I have been a long time listener, I knew there was something special about this show. Seeing reply just made my day. Thanks again, I'm happy I watched this episode cause I'll admit I don't listen all time... when I do it is always a laugh
Got the biggest kick outta watching you sitting there with a huge smile across your face through this entire show, Mike! Lots of banter back and forth...but you just smiled. Can tell you really enjoyed this one! Cheers
Tommy goes to make a point and gets interrupted by Mark! Michael does this for a living and gives the guest a chance to speak. Even when Mark was jumping to another issue Micheal reeled it back to still get some info from Eddie before jumping forward. Tommy is the most respectful guy in the room and when he makes his point it’s articulate with a question. I actually watched the episode over a few days coming back to where I left off. Mark your great guy, probably a blast to have a beer with and talk the shit. You got whatever the issue was with Eddie out there, but just let the guest respond before jumping in. That’s all. It’s one opinion from a long time fan of the show.
Eric and Tommy wearing Ace/Peter makeup about 30 percent bothers me. Eric is a great drummer and Tommy functions well as a lead guitar player and I enjoy Sonic Boom and Animal. My only issue is if/when Eric is wearing the Catman makeup AND sings 'Beth' or Tommy wears Ace's makeup AND sings 'Shock Me'. That is where I lose it. Of all of the VH songs that Hagar played, he didn't touch 'Ice Cream Man' because that is sooooo DLR's song. I feel the same way with KISS. The makeup doesn't bother me until Tommy/Eric do songs that are sooooo personal to Peter/Ace. Peter writes/co-writes 'Beth' about a specific woman in HIS life. 'Shock Me' is very autobiographical for Ace. I get that Ace/Peter makeup is easier to sell and they can sell old band and new band t-shirts and all of that. It is only when Eric/Tommy sing those personal songs. I don't think the fans would care if those two songs were left off. Eric singing 'Black Diamond' doesn't bother me at all. All of that said- I am taking my brother to the show in Noblesville (Indianapolis) in August because he is the type of fan that really doesn't care. He is happy to see KISS in any form and ultimately, I know he and I will have fun as well as my friends that will go as well. I will get over the 'Shock Me' stuff! I really enjoyed the set from the Kruise with Ace,Tommy,Bruce playing together. I would looooove and much prefer a string of acoustic shows set up in a 'Storytellers' manner but like Eddie talks about, KISS can't do jeans and tee shirts for the general public. I am sure that in Indy, the show will sell out with mostly folks who are casual and I'll be happy, because I get the business side.
Great interview... Eddie Trunk was 100% right in my opinion about two guys masquerading as Peter & Ace. It's nonsense.Here's a KISS what if... topicWhat if KISS released ALIVE 3 after the Elder(lets pretend that they toured the Elder) & continued the same format as the first 2 ALIVE albums essentially a greatest hits of the 3 previous albums?
I can honestly say, the only time i am not “happy” with KISS is when Tommy plays “Shock Me”. I love the entirety of Kiss through every single era, but just don’t play that song lol. Play “Rocket Ride” or whatever. It makes more sense. Your the Spaceman, you were not electrocuted. Play a Tommy song off Monster. I understand Eric singing “Beth” bc a ton of casuals know that song. No casuals are going to lose interest bc “Shock Me” wasn’t played. Eddie is a class act as usual. I bought my ticket to the Cleveland show 14th row. But I also know when to go to the restroom 😆 Ok i just wanted to get that off my chest. I feel better now lol Great show as always!
I respect Eddie for sticking to his guns and being honest. There was a time when he was cool with Gene and Paul but he said what he felt. He said what a lot of the legacy fans felt and they cut him loose. Mark is friends with Eric and doesn't want to ruin his relationship with the guys, I get that. But I don't think Mark should shoot Eddie down for saying what he feels. Mark knows EXACTLY where Eddie is coming from, and so do we. Still love ya Mark, but don't be a tool.
Well said Mark for a Eric singer personal friend. Also I love when Eddie shut down Tommy with his story about being at the rush show. Shut it down!!! Also Michael it was best just to let Eddie trunk talk like you did.
I really loved this conversation. I thought all had some really great points. Kiss such a great band because there can be a great conversation for 2 plus hours and the show could have go another 2 hours and still not be done. For me I really discovered Kiss on Animalize. So whether it is right or wrong Kiss to me has really been Paul and Gene. (I do love Eric, Bruce, Eric, and Tommy but in my eyes Paul and Gene are irreplaceable.) So for me I can take or leave the "Makeup” I love the show but the makeup for me means very little......although I do love the "makeup" merchandise. I have seen them with and without the makeup....I just love the music. I do love the 70's stuff but NOT any more than the non-makeup stuff. I know I am weird. Although, I am trying think through some of the other stuff being reported. I have spent years thinking my music was more viable because "my bands" didn't rely on some of those "tricks" that POP artist have to.....because they can't do it live. I have tickets to see the Kiss show in SLC. So even though I am trying to work my way through the reports (my wife thinks I am crazy and need counseling) I know it is going to be AWESOME and I am taking my kids. My 4 year old is going and she is pumped. I just hope they can see over the people in front of them. I want them to get the full experience. Plus my wife who hates KISS is going and I want to have my "gang of KISS fans" against her. Haha
I am 56. When I bought KISS Alive early 1976 and opened the gatefoldsleeve, the messagenotes in the sleeve were from Ace, Paul, Peter and Gene. NOT from "Spaceman", "Starchild", "Catman" and the "Demon". They were never just characters to me. They were individuals with individual names. And when Peter left the band / got kicked out., I lost precisely ALL interest that I had left in Kiss as a unit at the time being.
They tried that a long time ago and it didn't work,that was the reason for dropping the make-up in the first place, just like bringing Ace and Peter back also didn't work. As far as Tommy and Eric wearing the iconic characters ,they are what you think of when you hear the name "KISS" and it's just my opinion but I think they are actually bringing a certain amount of respect to those characters that have been known to be unreliable and not dependable for shows and recording sessions, I don't believe for a second that anyone that grew up as a fan would turn down the opportunity to be either one of those characters, maybe it's just me, but I look at it like paying homage to the iconic characters Ace and Peter created , after all would you rather Gene and Paul never acknowledged those characters,that were an important part of the bands history?
Really enjoyed this. Didn’t necessarily agreed with everything said but hey, that’s why it’s called an opinion. It’s funny, my “out” of seeing KISS live was 2008 too. Not only the stale playlist but even Paul’s talk-ups. I saw a show with my brothers and we were actually reciting his talk-ups while he was doing it. It became a running joke with us. I’ve been a fan since I was 8 and will always remain one.
I listened to this again and really enjoyed it. I can tell Eddie loosened up a bit after some time. It was a great interview. I do side with Eddie just because I am a die hard KISS fan from the 70’s.. I can say that I was thrilled to take my sons to their first KISS show even with Tommy and Eric... im 52 but really appreciated all your opinions.. I think I understand why Paul would sell his stage guitars for so much primarily to prevent jerks that have nothing to gain but resell it online. I am a guitar player and think it would be a dream to play a stage played guitar but unfortunately thanks to online resellers they would take that amazing experience and ruin it as I would keep it for a lifetime. Anyway good interview !
I always go back and listen to this interview.. Both sides can have their opinion and spin it how they need to fit their narrative. Eddie has managed to make it a career... Love all the guys on three sides.. Respect everybody's argument, but eddie keeps it true to the vest. Alot of valid points.overall, going with the motions
Oddly enough I agree withEddie on most points, but.... I am still going to 2 EOTR shows(so far) and am looking forward to this tour. I have already lived through one “Farewell” tour and I just enjoy the shows, who knows if it will be the actual last time.
Over 25 minutes in and no one has brought up the money. Who would leave all that money on the table? Eddie clearly sides with Ace because he has a personal history with him however if Ace is problematic you can't blame Gene and Paul for continuing on without him. The success Kiss has enjoyed since 2000 speaks for itself imo.
Real quality stage used guitar for 5k is one thing. but a 60 dollar china knock off guitar used for a minute while it stays in tune, that's gross Paul.
Preach on Eddie. When I was a kid (born in 1963) I too dealt with plenty of other people/class mates/etc that ridiculed me because I was a Kiss fan. When I joined the Kiss Army I thought I was someone special but I didn't dare tell anyone because I knew that I would be laughed at. It was I that got the last laugh.
Just saw ace in Seattle last Wednesday night. Great show! However ! My date whom has never seen ace or kiss said that Ace wasn’t sober. I said, “ That’s how Ace walks and talks”, an comments?
I love Mark, PLEASE find a way to stop interrupting yourself and going off topic. I appreciate your knowledge and learn from it. Please stop interrupting yourself
I think Eddie sounds better when he is sick, more toned down. I have never heard of KISS being accused of being a corporate manufactured brand. Being a fan since Alive I am old and just glad to have had them around for this long. It is a fantasy. It would be interesting to see a new KISS band with 20 somethings
Coming here again to re-listen this whole thing once again... for fun of course and nothing else... made me think again of how one person can be in total denial... like Mark was during this whole debate. I still laugh when he compared the replacements made for Creatures of the night and Dynasty with what Kiss has been for the last decade missing points such as the guys replacing Ace and Peter during and after Creatures had at least their own characters and make up... at least. Well enough have been said already about this and other interesting stuff related to Kiss. Only curious about if Paul and Gene would replace themselves too and whom would be the replacements.
Eddie keeps it REAL!! I've been a fan since '76. I don't care how they spin this tour. Not interested, not going!!!
Mark has his tongue so far up kiss' ass he can French kiss Paul and Gene! What a homer.
Didn't Mark quit the show? Put it to bed already Mark! I think he loves hearing his voice as much as Gene does.
Say what you will about Eddie but he's 100% correct.
No he really isnt
@@heritagecollectionswest9953 That is your opinion alot of us dont feel the same plus he's an ARROGANT EGOMANIAC!! All about him
I totally agree with Eddie but I still plan on seeing Kiss in March at the Yum Center here in Louisville KY.
Super Star
Furthermore, this whole notion that a band is not “live” because they have backing tracks is absolutely ludicrous. It’s 2019, that’s how the live stage has evolved. that is how the delivery of performance has changed. It’s incredible when people refuse to leave the stone ages. And by the way, to take this to a much deeper level up intellect for a moment, how the heck
does someone think that just because they view “live” as being one way, how does that make it “live”? Meaning: that’s his definition. Why does he think his definition is above another’s? Btw, it’s a definition created by someone else, somewhere along the way that he chose to follow. Why? Do u see where I’m going with this? It’s just ridiculous. All of it. I can’t even continue with this, it’s high school drama.
“Tommy is copying Ace.” Ummmmm no! It’s a guy dressed as Tommy now. How is that not obvious?! The character used to be played by Ace, now its Tommy etc etc. I don’t see Mr Trunk whining daily about which guy plays the Phantom of the Opera. Omfg lol, so silly these people are sometimes. I see a cheeseburger one way and he sees it another, who cares! Be greatful u get to eat the fucking cheeseburger!
Again sorry for typos, trying at stop lights:)
Eddie is delusional on so many topics here. The point is, he complains on almost every show that the band that kiss is presently, is not the band that he used to admire. That’s a fault of his own expectations, actually not a fault, it’s just his expectations are different from others. I know many people agree with him, but let’s face it, his point of view is caused by his arrogance to think that the band he used to admire so much should remain the same and not evolve, almost to appease him it seems. To make HIM happy. God that’s so freaking gross lol. They are no longer a band because they have two different members? Well I don’t think there’s any professional sports team currently they have any of the original members. I don’t think there’s any professional sports teams that has the original coach. I don’t think there’s any McDonald’s that has any of the original employees working for them. And so on and so on. It’s like he is picking on this team, KISS, because they are a band that has evolved away from something he used to admire.
Well if he now dislikes them, Great, dislike them, but trying to shove down peoples throats all day long that because they have evolved, they are now somehow “fake”
is unrealistic and unprofessional and childish. Incredibly disappointing actually. Businesses need to evolve, kiss is a business and they are doing quite well being the entity they are. Such hypocrisy! He complains about this band but I can almost bet never complains about the references I mentioned above. Not one of them. It’s pick on KISS day all day long for these individuals. So sorry that KISS did something that u didn’t approve of and are somehow now a tribute band in ur eyes lol.
Jesus our species is doomed. So many individuals that limit their thinking, that leads to limited lives, and a hell of a lot of unhappiness.
Sorry about typos. Writing this at stop lights lol
Eddie brought a touch of class to the table and Mark brought a loaf.
Good job Eddie. Definitely not a Tool guy.
“What does the Mark Cicchini band want to do next??” Lol
Mark still acts like that 12 year old Kiss fan who can’t handle someone ripping on his favorite band.
He prefers Turbo over best and heaviest Judas Priest albums. That simply tells how "expert " he is.
Totally agree.
@@PerpetualArt I remember once the guy in the middle said that.
@@carlosabadvargas1979 wrong, that would be... try listening to the show before you open your mouth. You won't look a fool.
@@MichaelBrandvold Im referring to an old show , im not a blind fool like some people.
Why does Mark get so butt hurt over someone having a opposing view when it comes to Kiss, Eddie said it best when he mentioned how the band changes there slogans and views when comes down to brainwashing fans into to buying the next big thing. I have no problem with Tommy and Eric in the band, cause they are good musicians. But they should have striped the makeup and costumes after the hit and run tour in 07, reinvented the look similar to the revenge era. Carrying on for as long as they have in the makeup is discrediting history of the band and that why there is such a backlash with the fans in last ten years or so. I will continue to enjoy the classic sound of KISS from the 70's and some of the 80's. I Already saw a farewell show in July 2000 in Winnipeg and it was fantastic show and a great time, but I have no interest in seeing a watered down version of it this time around.
I feel like Mark spends half the show trying to prove his KISS cred to Eddie Trunk
Mark would argue that they don't wear wigs either.
He does. Mark, we know you love Kiss--so do many of us. No need to defend them as if they are your blood relatives being shot at by machine guns or stabbed with machetes. Just relax.
He keeps me from watching this show.
I am absolutely, 100% in agreement with Eddie on Tommy and Eric wearing Ace and Peter's makeup. The whole point of the characters in the first place was they were supposed to be EXTENSIONS of the people's personalities who created them. Tommy and Eric should have been allowed to come up with their own personas. To me, that was a line Paul and Gene should have never crossed.
That's the most intelligent comment and take I've read on this to date. The Spaceman and Catman aren't extensions of Tommy and Eric's personalities whatsoever. Therein lies the problem. They are masquerading as characters pure and simple. People seem to forget that Paul was the 'Bandit' before he became the 'Starchild', so it's not as if there hasn't been room in Kiss for other personae's. Tommy and Eric should have been given the option of coming up with their own characters, same as Vinny Vincent and Eric Carr were allowed to.
@@P121463S Peter sold the rights to the Carman makeup. Ace was smart and only licensed his, so he has revenue continuously coming in from merchandising and concert ticket sales.
@@P121463S I'm sure Ace's lawyer advised him not to sell the rights to the makeup, as he and his estate had more to gain by licensing it. Peter, on the otherhand, was in more financial dire straits and accepted the huge lump sum of cash from Paul and Gene to essentially be bought out. I know he regrets doing so in hindsight.
killerdude35 They can't. Only the four marketable images are the original. KISS now contains to members , Gene and Paul. They other two are hired set players .
@@keithparkhill8546 Cant? Or wont? Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent were also hired guns but they had THEIR own personas.
Mark got destroyed. ET is spot on!
@@777zippy777 No, Trunk is not coming from a "cold and unfeeling" approach. He's coming from a "this is not how I remember it from my childhood" perspective. Funny how Trunk liked Kiss in the 80s with two different members, but the second that the gimmick is involved, it's a different story. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MAKEUP, A GIMMICK FOR TRUNK. And I just have to laugh that a 54 year old man is not liking the band NOW because of the makeup, the same reason that people told him that Kiss sucked in the 70s. He's become exactly what he hated. Also, has Trunk ever referred to Kiss in the 80's as "a version of Kiss"?
"It's just not the same anymore" - Trunk
Like I said, he wants something that lives up to his childhood memory of decades ago. It's unrealistic.
The critics said in the 70s that the fans only cared about the makeup and not the players, right? In this case, it’s true, Trunk’s problem is that the makeup bothers him, not the players He even stated that he had no problem with any of the other members of the band, he ONLY has a problem because they wear the makeup. Once again, the critics stated that was the only thing that the fans cared about, the makeup. Everyone is hung up the gimmick. If Kiss performs without makeup, they are a band. If Kiss performs the same exact show with the makeup, a gimmick, then they become a “cover band”. So, you have to ask yourself, what makes a band for you? The music or the makeup? Kiss fans used to say that they were a real band and the gimmick meant nothing, that the music was the most important thing, right? When they took off the makeup, Paul stated that the makeup never wrote the songs and all the fans were behind it. Now, the band, which have recorded new music, and had the same lineup for the last 18 (?) years have zero credibility AGAIN because they put makeup on. I am 49 years old, saw my first show in 79, and when I look at Kiss now, I see a band that I like with a gimmick, four guys dressed as characters, same as I did then. Trunk can only see them as he did when he was young, which is why is can’t accept them as is now. I mean, is Ace from Jendel or from the Bronx? Because if you really believe that they are their characters, if you take the Aucoin hype as factual information, Ace is not from the Bronx, right?
Also, just because the gimmick doesn’t mean everything to the fan and they enjoy different lineups, doesn’t mean the fan is a blind follower. That’s a misnomer. I’ve never met a single Kiss fan who has never criticized the band over something.
And, if Paul is singing half the tunes, and has been shown that he is singing live most of the time with tracks as a crutch, that means that roughly 75% of the show is still live. I can live with that.
@@777zippy777 Well, obviously Kiss fans DO care about the makeup. What's the problem that Trunk has with current Kiss? THE MAKEUP.
You even said it.
"If I call out KISS for a lack of credibility in any way, it's going to be about TWO things right now:
1. Gene & Paul having Tommy & Eric adopt the personas that Ace & Peter created."
So, what is the reason you would call out the band on credibility again? THE MAKEUP. (besides stating that you never meant the band has no credibility but you did state " KISS has become a joke."???So, the band is a joke but you think they have credibility? Seriously?) Also, are they really personas anymore??? There's no mystique, everyone knows who they are, what they look like, etc. It hardly fits the definition of a persona. They're fucking costumes. We're adults. And please stop with the Aucoin hype quote "They are extensions of our personalities." That was just some bullshit to give the gimmick credibility to the press. Mark even blew Trunk out of the water with that one. Had Trunk stuttering ,trying to throw in some "revisionist history" when the shit Mark said is from the 70s. Also, Aucoin said in 79 that the characters (and he did specifically use the term "characters") could and would live on past the members.
So, yeah, it's just a matter of opinion. But please stop trying to give it some huge moral weight when it's just gimmick. Also, your 50% tribute band definition doesn't even make sense. The Ramones were not a 50% tribute band with CJ and Marky in the lineup, correct? Did they wear the Ramones costumes? Yes. And they were costumes. There were rules for the jackets, the sneakers, the haircuts, etc. No difference.
And as for Trunk talking about all the stuff that critics said about Kiss when he was a kid, that he is basing so much of his opinion on, you said it best.
"You're basing your argument on what you think the critics said about KISS fans?
1. It's highly debatable that that's even accurate.
2. Who gives a shit what the critics said about KISS in the '70s? Most of them were aging hippies or Elvis fans anyway."
Gee, I guess Eddie should have spoke to you first.
Lance E I think Eddie’s issue is more with the revisionist history that Gene and Paul are trying to sell, i.e: Eric Carr’s position and importance to kiss from 80-91 being diminished, Gene saying Ace was fired 3x, Paul taking issue with anyone that has a difference of opinion from him, Mark St. John being referred to as a shredder with no soul, etc. Instead of these members being treated as valued, they’re diminished as being more of a convenience because of the time they’re sold. That’s Eddie’s issue. He’d rather Paul and Gene own their mistakes and not revise history in their favor to put down everyone else that was part of their history.
That being said, I enjoyed this episode of the podcast. Kudos. 👍
I agree with Mark on some of it and I agree with Eddie on some of it. I agree with Eddie on the lip syncing Paul is definitely using some assistance it's obvious he don't sound like he used to during the lick it up tour or the revenge tour. But I agree with Mark on people not checking all these boxes when they go to a Kiss concert. I also agree with Mark on the whole Shock Me discussion.. he said ace can play Love Gun because he was on the record well Shock Me was on that same record kiss plays Kiss songs.. so I agree with Mark on that part. I agree with Eddie when he says those characters were Ace Peter Paul Gene.. I don't agree with Mark when he says Bill a coin was selling the four characters even back in the 70s.. yes I was born in 88 but I've seen the kiss your face makeup commercials and they clearly say Peter Paul Gene Ace. Also kiss wasn't selling those four characters in 1982 or 1983?
Eddie makes a lot of great points as usual. Great talk guys.
I don't understand why Mark starts off attacking Eddie and calls him out for his opinions. Why argue with the man over his opinions?
I guess if your gonna brag about how much Kiss shit you buy and collect and show it off for the world to see you got to expect some blow back.Some people might be jealous and some people might think it is ridiculous some might think it is cool.How much do you think a sword cost to manufacture and a guitar strap from this tour?These are not 70s items so I get Trunks point that they are ridiculously over priced and how kiss is trying to take advantage of people.I think Mark is just upset Kiss finally is charging more then he can justify paying.Either way I enjoy the show for what it is.
Wow, you are really concerned about what someone spends their money on... get a life.
Can we redo this interview without Mark please?
Nope, Mark made this a great interview.
@@MichaelBrandvold anyone know the opening act yet? Haven't heard anyone mention anything about it. Curious to know. Any idea?
Mark is very passionate and he and Eddie have a very different views of what is going on now. That is what makes the interview intriguing and gives it it's credibility. The Yin/Yang is what really makes it worthwhile that Mark is there.
Evil Rev you stopped listening to us?! What are we going to do? I know, nothing. Nobody misses you.
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At 17:36 I cant disagree more! No, we were attached to the person under the makeup which was Paul, Gene, Ace, and Peter. There are no replacements that cut it for me. Could you imagine if Paul left today and Gene found another singer so the band could go on? Would that work for you? I bought the KISS Army membership back in 75 and 76 and still have the entire packets. For me it was always about the men and not the character they portray.
Just a slight correction...too many years ago! I believe my first membership was from 1976 and the second 1977. I don't think the KISS Army started in 1975, but I could be wrong.
Absolutely. Anyone who was around then knows they were never thought of that way. And that includes Mark. He knows his argument is BS. He has to know. Nobody called them "The Spaceman" and 'the Vampire...etc
@@greglamb4079 Of course he knows, he was just desperately trying to win the point . Eddie had him on the ropes a number of times , but respectfully let him off easy.
@@kissed61 which is what Mark always does
What about the Kiss makeup commercial where they said You can Look Like Paul,Look Like Ace,Look Like Gene,Look Like Peter? Aucoin wasn't selling them as just Star Child,Spaceman,Demon,Catman with that.
Jay Wilkinson touche!
Same thing during the Reunion years. It Was always ”Ace and Peter are back”. Always Ace and Peter, Ace and Peter. Never never it Was about ”The Catman and Spaceman”. Always Ace and Peter are back
I was Ace!!! 79' Nassau Colliseum, NY, with Judas Priest baby!!!
Damn I forgot I already made a post on this last year but yup the Kiss Your Face Make-up kit commieral.
Super point!
Eddie makes mark so triggered I love it. the rest of 3 side guy's come off great Mark better step up your game remember Mitch he was a Shit heel too.
Great show. Very valid points of Eddie. Couldn't agree more with him. Mark is the weakest link imo. Very exhausting to listen to because he rarely keeps it concise.
I agree with Eddie. Well said. Conan 1812 has posted about this before. KISS proudly introduces their shows with "You wanted the best, You got the best, The hottest band in the world..." Playing to tracks and lip-synching in the live arena is not giving fans "the best." We've all heard the comments about how Bill Aucoin thought the opening to the reunion tour with just a curtain drop was weak. Once again, what would he say about this issue? Lip-synching on TV or for a video is one thing, but to do it live - No. That is not rock and roll. Let's end this debate now: Motorhead never played to tracks and Lemmy, even with failing health, did not lip-synch.
Eddie Trunk owned this interview. Why? Because smart, cogent analysis with facts and data to back it up. Additionally, I'm impressed by the professionalism of this spirited debate. Mad props to all. 💥
The bloke with the red hat is a fan boy and can't be objective, and seems to make comparisons that hold no water. Seems also to piss his money away on a lot of junk attached to Kiss, has no issue with lip syncing? Weird.
This show has never been objective. It is our feelings.
@@RUclips.Algorithmic.Nonsense LOL, you just did defend him
Also now that I think about it this episode should be called the Eddie trunk take over. Well done Eddie trunk well done!!!
Probably the best episode I’ve watched in a long time. Thanks guys for bringing in Eddie Trunk. Everyone was professional and shared their views and opinions without making it personal. Double thumbs up 👍👍
This is GENE SIMMONS from the ROCK BAND KISS. Eddie is correct, There are many products and packages for our loyal fans but what were most excited about is our new product, THE KISS TOILET. An approved KISS contactor
will come out to install your new KISS toilet. Once installed just flush your hard earned money down your new Kiss toilet while you listen to DEUCE one more time. Then flush your pride down your new KISS toilet.
Paul is the ultimate salesman it's up to you whether you buy it ! I personally stopped going after the reunion tour .. but that's me
Same here. Every time they've come since then I have asked, "can it possibly be better than Tiger Stadium 1996?" Every time the answer has been no for me.
Paul’s not singing to a track ...and we never went to the moon. 😂
Amazing episode.
Man your life is nothing, sad. Try worrying about something actually important.
Michael Brandvold I’m here to have fun and poke fun with/at our favorite band. Sorry you took it as a jab, but great conversation anyhow. And yes, Bands I love faking it is important and disappointing to me, and apparently to your guest as well.
@@MichaelBrandvold I don't understand why you get so offensive. David's comment was very witty imo.
@@andreana2112 bro I never knew this dude is so thin skinned?? I'm 40 been a kiss fan since age 6 or 7 and am disappointed how they've ended the whole thing. Seems this is one of those believe and dig everything I do or your wrong? But I do enjoy the show for the most part.
Chris Ingram hey, it’s cool if brandvold digs it, that’s his prerogative. They have cut down a little bit on the vocal track, but it’s just not my thing. Forget the haters, we won. ...although I wish mike would stop hating.
I'm a casual Kiss fan but I listen to Eddie Trunk alot. The guy to the right in this show comes over as he's in denial.
Awsome Show this time. Please bring Eddie T back again soon,
Mark did get buffooned by Eddie . He really broke it down nicely
I’m with Eddie trunk on this one, ace is the man
Look at REDWINGS’ demeanor change when EDDIE mentions backing tracks. Of course KISS is gonna amp up the production. It’s to distract the fans from Paul😂
Why are you here?
I love to go back and rewatch old episodes of Three Sides and this is one of my all time favorites. Its so nice to see people with a difference of opinion able to have an honest, intelligent and respectful discussion. Its because of this that makes it worth listening to. Unfortunately there is not enough of this in the world.
Best show I've heard you guys do in a long time. Excellent work. My only issue is that Mark really has the blinders on with Paul and the lip-synching. Mark, it is so obvious in the video clips from the KISS Kruise that Paul is singing to pre-recorded tracks. Whether or not that matters to you or detracts (or doesn't) from your enjoyment of the show is your business. All I'm saying is that the lip-synching is obvious and it's taking place. Take that for whatever it's worth to you. Anyway, really enjoyed this episode, fellas.
On the topic of lip syncing. What I found odd was when Mark stated (and Tommy later concurred) that he lived through the Kruise and didn’t need to watch a RUclips video on it to determine if he’s really doing it or not. Why not? Is it because it would confirm Eddie’s point? Just because you didn’t notice it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I am with Eddie on his points 100% everything Kiss does gets a no questions asked pass by some of their fans. I often wonder if they would give Kiss a pass if Tommy was playing air guitar to a pre recorded track for the sake of “the show”., because that’s exactly what Paul did on the Kruise with his voice.
Because you saw a video doesn't mean it did happen.
@@MichaelBrandvold Kashif didnt claim that it did happen, he was bringing up a valid point about Mark's claim that it didn't
Eddie makes a lot of solid points here.
They really need Mitch Lafon back.
Like we need a hole in our head.
You saying He'd get You guys killed now?
@@StrangerThings72 LMAO, now that is funny as hell! Good thing we don't care what you like... the dynamics with Mark and a million times better than Mitch. We are actually having fun now.
@@StrangerThings72 But what you didn't see is we were miserable, all 3 of us. With Mark on the show we are having a blast. That's the difference
I enjoy the show and the dynamics with the three of you now works very well. Three different types of fans/experiences/personalities. As a 20 year radio personality, the balance of the three of you works very well now.
Trunk makes valid points that I cringe a little at but he also says some things that I just cringe at. He undeniably carried the torch for KISS during some lean years. The KISS that may have been polarizing for various reasons when we were in High School, are perceived now as polarizing for much different reasons. 45 years is a hell of a career, speaking for myself I can't say I've loved every single year, but the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
I am with Eddie Trunk all the way. Great show guys, per usual.
Thanks Terri
Great show!! I agree with much of what Mark said. I gained a lot of respect for Eddie though. His points were made with alot of merit, even if I happen to disagree. One of the best 3 sides shows I've heard!!
If you paid good money to see the New York Philharmonic perform a symphony by Beethoven, or Dvorak, or Tchaikovsky (did I manage to spell all those correctly?), and found out they were playing with tracks.... what would you make of that?
that, tracks or no tracks, it DEFINITELY wasn't KISS. haha
in all seriousness, Trunk was a lively discussion and stuck to his guns. He's a credit to music and Jersey, in equal measure! More Trunk!
Without ace and peter, especially ace, the end of the road tour is meaningless without the core guys.
It's finally great to hear Eddie on another show aside from his own.
Eddie is an innovator of this whole music news media style.
Pretty much bringing it both news and disc jockey style.
Alot of these pod casts are getting better because of his cutting edge leadership in this end of the music.
He has the balls to make his point against all three personalities here.
And this is just a debate in the world of KISS.
I'm with Eddie.
100% original members.
I mean KISS is KISS.
But, what if Tommy wanted to be Vinnie? Ooops I meant the Ankh Warrior!!!!
And Eric Singer wanted to respectfully be Eric Carr the Fox?
I mean that is KISS also. Right!?!?
Tommy and Eric don't have any say in who they want to be. Not their band, not their decision. KISS is a band, has always been a band... regardless of who is in the band or what makeup is being worn. I fell in love with a band, not a person.
@@MichaelBrandvold I was being a wise ass. And yes KISS is a band.
But...how contradicticing. And I quote you. " Tommy and Eric don't have any say in who they want to be. Not their band, not their decision " and then you say "KISS is a band, has always been a band"
Duh!!!
I mean Gene and Paul still get to keep all the money if "The Band" wanted to put on the other trade marked make up that is also the KISS band. Not one person!!!
I'm making a point too!!!
Shit!!!
I thought some people would redpond to my response to this guy.
I mean Tommy can learn the Vinnie style to play Ace's original solos as modified by Vinnie.
And Eric Singer can play Eric Carr just as well as he does in the first place.
We can have them do " Creatures of the Night" in its entirety.
Tommy already has worn the costume that Ace really never toured in.
So...
Why not prove that he can play like Vinnie as well.
It would be better than the real Vinnie at this point.
Fans would love it more than seeing him posing as Ace.
It would piss Vinnie off.
And Gene and Paul would get a kick out it and some $$$.
I love KISS.
And I'm just putting this out there because Vinnie has those gigs in February.
And no insult to Eric Singer. Because he would probably be up for it.
But, yes.
Let me put it out there!!!
KISS can't headline and sellout an arena NO MATTER WHO opens up or if ANYBODY opens up,.....without Peter and Ace. Thank you,goodnight.
Fuck you are stupid. I can kill that argument is a split second with actual facts.
You are probably right,, still can't wait to see them in Louisville KY !!!
I feel like I am watching CNN, Fake news!
They sold out arenas in the 70s and during the reunion,headlining,no matter who opened.Its a fact.
They only had big crowds outside the US on the Creatures tour.Also a fact.
One of the arguments that separates Eddie Trunk, myself, and other KISS fans from many other KISS fans, is the issue that Eric & Tommy could not come up with their own makeup designs and become their own characters. Your telling me that the four original makeups were the ONLY cool designs anyone could come up with?? The rebuttal is always “well it became disingenuous, what would have been next: turtle boy, frog man??) I find this totally ridiculous. We all know is was to keep the classic image of KISS…to look like the people on the classic album covers. I wish this issue could be put to bed.
@S S Oh I don't know, how 'bout Turtle Boy and Frog Man? Just Kidding! Well, they could of been a Biker, a Sailor, a Construction Worker, a Cowboy, a Cop, a Native American, an Army Guy, a Leather Man....Just Kidding again! I'm sure there are plenty of artists and designers that could have come up with something pretty cool. Or Eric and Tommy I'm sure would have loved to have taken a crack at coming up with something for themselves. That's the problem, I really don't know what they are into, their own identities don't show through, because they are just another Catman and Space Man.
I think like most KISS fans, we will have to agree to disagree. The point I was trying to make was: it's not a matter, or an easy task, for ME to come up with additional characters...but someone (hopefully Eric & Tommy) could have come up with some. And I don't think they would have been anymore silly (cool) than a Demon, Lover, Cat or Spaceman. We accepted them (oh not to mention a Fox and an Ankh Warrior ...OK that one was ridiculous!) we could not accept a couple more??
What an amazing show of shows....3 Sides is definitely not gonna do an end of the road! I like an adult conversation with wonderful points of view.... no backing tracks on this episode... just the real deal! Thanks guys!
Fantastic episode.....no matter what you think of Eddie Trunk.....he has ALWAYS done his best to keep Hard Rock and Heavy Metal out there.....
I would agree
Great episode fellas.
Very respectful conversation. I have been critical of Eddie over the past few years, but I thought he gave some great insights as to why he feels like he feels.
Great work!!
I agree! He is no saint, but the clips on youtube are often taken out of context. I think "Metal Highlights" and "Metalfavs" are the channels. They only post when Eddie gets worked up over something, and perhaps only a small portion of the
Him bashing Van Halen or Kiss, gets them more subscribers and viewers, so the clips are made that way. And sadly there is a lot of plain and simple....STUPID people calling it. "Hey man, what happened to Blackie Lawless?" "What happened to Bruce Kulick after he was let go from Kiss?"....
Respectful conversation, some less than respectful comments left here (Not this thread...just in general). No wonder some folks think KISS fans are nutz.
Trunk owned this debate 😁
Except it wasn’t a debate. It was KISS fans talking.
But they DID become a kiddie band. Had they stayed like they were up through Alive and not stuff like Unmasked, Dynasty, The Elder, etc.....They would have stayed reputable. They sold out with the toys that were all marketed to 6 year olds and NOT the teenage hard rock fan like they attracted in the beginning.
at the end of the day, does it even matter? Either 7you like the music or you don't. If I could change 1 thing I wish they never took the makeup off
You are 100% correct and what's really at the core of this debate is where you came into the KISS timeline and at what age. I was 14 when I first heard 'Alive' and immediately bought the first 3 albums which, to this day, l feel are the only consistent (from start to finish) albums in their catalogue. When 'Destroyer' was released I was right there because I was thrilled to learn one of my favorite producers (Bob Ezrin) was on board and he had never let me down with, my favorite group at the time, the original Alice Cooper Band. Also, it had a fantastic cover from Ken Kelly, one of my favorite artists; like Frank Frazetta, he became known to rock album collectors for album cover art as well as illustration work in the realms of horror SF/Fantasy. Placing the album on the turntable, it started off very promising... until 'Great Expectations' and I got the taste of the first KISS song I literally hated. I understood the context of the song when listening to the album in its conceptual (start to finish) form but I still hated it. I had high hopes for 'Rock and Roll Over' and I loved several tracks on it but it ultimately felt like KISS was trying too hard to be that KISS I liked on the first 3 albums. Then 'Love Gun ' sealed the deal; I only liked two or three songs with 'Shock Me' being the best. But I stuck it out for 'Alive II' and was at least rewarded with the studio side. At that point I realized the band were now super heroes and not New York Dolls or Stooges. End of story. I would check back on them occasionally over the years and spotted a good to great track now and then but nothing like 'Goin' Blind' or 'Cold Gin' came my way. I will say that I was surprised at how much I liked 'Carnival of Souls' when a friend introduced it and was not surprised that it was a 'gene album' and not a favorite of Paul Stanley. Take that album out of the context of it's release and forget about the grunge you may find a pretty decent hard rock album.
There is nothing that will make me go to the 'End of the Road' tour...simple. I love Kiss, but I don't swallow everyhting being served w. hook, line and sinker. I saw them in 2017...it was not good. That was the first time I saw them since the 'Sonic Boom' tour, and it was shocking... They rocked on the 'Sonic Boom' tour. Paul sounded a bit "rough", yes, but by the third song, he sang like the 'Alive 35' tour, which people say was the last tour he sang somewhat great.
Gene and Eric Singer was barely able to hold it together. I love Paul, Gene and all...and I understand the passion people have for them to continue, but for me...they don't cut it anymore. It's just my opinion. Obviously shared by lots of others,, but still...my opinion. I fully feel the passion people have when they say they can take their kid to a Kiss-show for the first time etc. That magic... I get it I truly do, but I must pass on this one, and it doesn't matter if its the last tour.
Bruce Kulick has blown the band itself off the stage during the last two Kiss cruises, and Gene Simmons solo shows are more interesting and relevant now than Kiss is, that also sums up a lot...
I "understand" that Paul will have to use some backing tracks to keep him being able to do shows 3 days in a row, but I cant accept it as a fan. It's wrong for me. I want pure rock 'n' roll, but its the only way Paul is able to get through such a massive tour. And I can't accept it. People are welcome to go, me and Eddie Trunk won't stop you, or try to "sabotage" your experience. XD
It's funny how worked up Mark gets. Eddie is NO saint, but he has valid points I can relate to. :) I love listenting to Eddie getting worked up as well. Someone give the rest of us some popcorn...
I could say some things, but I don't want to beat anyone up. I'll take the high road. Having said that, I really enjoyed 2 hrs of Eddie. Thank you.
LOL, thank you
I agree with Eddie 100% You find fans like Mark in every band fan base that support every band decision, buy every album, merch, etc and believe the band/members can never do wrong.. It is what it is. They are incapable of constructive criticism..
Except you are totally wrong as Mark doesn’t do any of the things you claim. But truth doesn’t matter to you.
Eddie Trunk is awesome.
Thanks for another amazing episode. You know, I agree with all Eddie´s points, but I like you guys more as persons, and it is very nice and fun being part of these discussions. What I was really amazed about Mark was that he preferred the Creatures tour instead of the Dinasty.
we are glad you are here
Happy New Year guys! Loved the discussion with Eddie and his honesty about his opinion. I listen to him on Sirius XM radio and always enjoy his talk about the world of rock. Hope you’ll have him on again.
P. S. - I’ve been a Kiss fan since I was 8 and though I get what Eddie was saying about the Spaceman and Catman characters, Gene and Paul are still there and I’ll be at the End of the Road shows reliving that feeling of being a kid again. All due respect to Ace and Peter, love em and certainly hope they’ll be involved in some way when Kiss’ final note is played 🎶
A must listen for any deep Kiss Fan. Good job guys.
Eddie is so right! I fill the same way
Anyone think Ace knows where he is?
Hahaha 😄😂
All the participants to this "discusion" expressed their opinions about seven times. That's why this "mature" conversation lasts as long as it lasts.
Editing would have generated a show of about 20 min in length.
We never edit our shows, no time.
Gotta love the intro with Ace. the best episode this year so far
No disrespect...but Mark is just TOO MUCH on this! Let the other guys speak! And stop interrupting Trunk, he's your guest. Mark sidelines important parts with erroneous rabbit holes-its aggravating man.
I'm a little late to this comment party but finally got a chance to listen to the whole show.
This was probably one of the best episodes in my opinion. Nothing against Mark but, I will leave it that. I do love his passion but as it has been said, agree to disagree
Here is my two cents on why I dislike and dont agree with Tommy and Eric wearing the Makeup. KISS as quoted by Paul himself, Kiss is a band that has four stars. Each of the members sing lead on certain songs that also will be played live. Each of the member created their own persona based on their personalities. As quoted by Gene,
KISS is band structured the way the Beatles did it, Four stars in the band. This is why IMO why some KISS fans do not like what KISS is doing with Ace and Peter's makeup and it's not the same thing when people make comparisons to bands like Judas Priest, Whitesnake, ect
Lastly, I am a big fan since 1976 and still a fan with floor tickets to the End of the Road tour.
I am looking forward to seeing them on their last tour.
It is bitter sweet for me
Hope that everyone that bought
Tickets to the tour has a Blast😁
I didn't even know who Eddie Trunk was at all until recently when I noticed some of his segments showing up on RUclips. He seems fairly reasonable and he's apparently been in radio a long time - he's professional radio personality. I've listened to 3 sides a few times and these guys appear to be Kiss fanboys first and foremost. Their show is a Kiss fan show. Mark is the "comic book guy" from the Simpsons. He spends his entire life collecting Kiss memorabilia. So, you know, any criticism about Kiss is a criticism of Mark. Of the three, Mark has always seemed the least articulate.
Eddie has just thought about the rock industry a bit more in-depth. When I was a kid, I thought Kiss were the greatest band alive. I still love their music. But I love it not because it's great music, but because it's fun, schlocky bubblegum. My first reaction to the latest farewell tour was, "I gotta see them one last time!" Then as I looked at tickets and thought about it some more it quickly became "Nah, I'm good." Quite simply, seeing them one more time is more apt to dissapoint me (because of all issues as of late with lip syncing, backing tracks, selling selling selling and on and on). I'm okay with the Kiss ship having sailed for me.
If you're not familiar with Eddie, I encourage you to search for, and watch back episodes of VH1's "That Metal Show" which Eddie hosted (no longer in production), here on RUclips. Awesome show.
Hahaha!!! Eddie was sick, so no shriller.
Eddie going "wo wo wo" over Tommy was hilarious, he forgot he wasn't in his show
The End Of The Road tour will continue for years. As long as people keep giving them money.
50 yr old life long kiss fan, Eddie loves to hear himself talk and is redundant as hell! But I agree 100% with him on the state of kiss right now, and using Peter and Aces makeup! No problem with Tommy and Eric at all but do not like the band how they are now. But my God the baby boy in the red wings gear cannot be objective!! He is what is wrong with kiss fans now a days! I'll never listen to this podcast again! Grow up dudes! See the reality.
Look forward to your comments next week
I'm laying here listening to this, the kiss army is still alive and well. Growing up with a disablity life has been a battle, I'm so lucky to have seen the current lineup 3x with my father and we are going to see them for the fourth time at rodgers arena. The first show on the tour I have no clue what to expect this time and this last show is important. When that curtain drops it's truly going to be something special.
I'm just going to say what an amazing show for the first show back. Life long kiss fan as well, I do think we are all passionate about our favorite band being a kiss fan takes a special type of person, that's how the kiss army came to be. Wow I'm impressed, it is interesting to hear all the different options.
Thank you for being a part of this show
Thank you guys for doing the podcast I have been a long time listener, I knew there was something special about this show. Seeing reply just made my day. Thanks again, I'm happy I watched this episode cause I'll admit I don't listen all time... when I do it is always a laugh
Got the biggest kick outta watching you sitting there with a huge smile across your face through this entire show, Mike! Lots of banter back and forth...but you just smiled. Can tell you really enjoyed this one! Cheers
Tommy goes to make a point and gets interrupted by Mark! Michael does this for a living and gives the guest a chance to speak. Even when Mark was jumping to another issue Micheal reeled it back to still get some info from Eddie before jumping forward. Tommy is the most respectful guy in the room and when he makes his point it’s articulate with a question. I actually watched the episode over a few days coming back to where I left off. Mark your great guy, probably a blast to have a beer with and talk the shit. You got whatever the issue was with Eddie out there, but just let the guest respond before jumping in. That’s all. It’s one opinion from a long time fan of the show.
Not a big Trunk fan, but I agree w/ him in what KISS has become and it is sad.
Eric and Tommy wearing Ace/Peter makeup about 30 percent bothers me. Eric is a great drummer and Tommy functions well as a lead guitar player and I enjoy Sonic Boom and Animal. My only issue is if/when Eric is wearing the Catman makeup AND sings 'Beth' or Tommy wears Ace's makeup AND sings 'Shock Me'. That is where I lose it. Of all of the VH songs that Hagar played, he didn't touch 'Ice Cream Man' because that is sooooo DLR's song. I feel the same way with KISS. The makeup doesn't bother me until Tommy/Eric do songs that are sooooo personal to Peter/Ace. Peter writes/co-writes 'Beth' about a specific woman in HIS life. 'Shock Me' is very autobiographical for Ace. I get that Ace/Peter makeup is easier to sell and they can sell old band and new band t-shirts and all of that. It is only when Eric/Tommy sing those personal songs. I don't think the fans would care if those two songs were left off. Eric singing 'Black Diamond' doesn't bother me at all.
All of that said- I am taking my brother to the show in Noblesville (Indianapolis) in August because he is the type of fan that really doesn't care. He is happy to see KISS in any form and ultimately, I know he and I will have fun as well as my friends that will go as well. I will get over the 'Shock Me' stuff!
I really enjoyed the set from the Kruise with Ace,Tommy,Bruce playing together. I would looooove and much prefer a string of acoustic shows set up in a 'Storytellers' manner but like Eddie talks about, KISS can't do jeans and tee shirts for the general public. I am sure that in Indy, the show will sell out with mostly folks who are casual and I'll be happy, because I get the business side.
Great interview... Eddie Trunk was 100% right in my opinion about two guys masquerading as Peter & Ace. It's nonsense.Here's a KISS what if... topicWhat if KISS released ALIVE 3 after the Elder(lets pretend that they toured the Elder) & continued the same format as the first 2 ALIVE albums essentially a greatest hits of the 3 previous albums?
Still a kiss fan !!!,,,can't wait til Louisville KY show.......,,why so many haters,,,Paul and Gene are still doing what they love...sfw !!!
That's Right 👍
Plus, Eric Singer looks dorky in his chubby frame "playing" the Catman 🤦♂️. Sorry, I agree 100% with Eddie
I can honestly say, the only time i am not “happy” with KISS is when Tommy plays “Shock Me”. I love the entirety of Kiss through every single era, but just don’t play that song lol. Play “Rocket Ride” or whatever. It makes more sense. Your the Spaceman, you were not electrocuted. Play a Tommy song off Monster. I understand Eric singing “Beth” bc a ton of casuals know that song. No casuals are going to lose interest bc “Shock Me” wasn’t played. Eddie is a class act as usual.
I bought my ticket to the Cleveland show 14th row. But I also know when to go to the restroom 😆
Ok i just wanted to get that off my chest. I feel better now lol
Great show as always!
That's fair, thanks for commenting
I very rarely disagree with Eddie regarding Kiss, except for things like favorite songs/albums, of course.
This level of 'fan boy' escapes me.
I respect Eddie for sticking to his guns and being honest. There was a time when he was cool with Gene and Paul but he said what he felt. He said what a lot of the legacy fans felt and they cut him loose. Mark is friends with Eric and doesn't want to ruin his relationship with the guys, I get that. But I don't think Mark should shoot Eddie down for saying what he feels. Mark knows EXACTLY where Eddie is coming from, and so do we. Still love ya Mark, but don't be a tool.
I assure you, Mark feels this way and it has nothing to do with his friendship with Eric.
@@REALTOROLOGY All good, still love the show. Btw, Mark's my favorite. : )
Not a dime for these guys life is getting too Expensive-their Rich.
ET held it together all things considered... Mark was in attack mode and was clearly triggered
Well said Mark for a Eric singer personal friend.
Also I love when Eddie shut down Tommy with his story about being at the rush show.
Shut it down!!!
Also Michael it was best just to let Eddie trunk talk like you did.
I really loved this conversation. I thought all had some really great points. Kiss such a great band because there can be a great conversation for 2 plus hours and the show could have go another 2 hours and still not be done. For me I really discovered Kiss on Animalize. So whether it is right or wrong Kiss to me has really been Paul and Gene. (I do love Eric, Bruce, Eric, and Tommy but in my eyes Paul and Gene are irreplaceable.)
So for me I can take or leave the "Makeup” I love the show but the makeup for me means very little......although I do love the "makeup" merchandise. I have seen them with and without the makeup....I just love the music. I do love the 70's stuff but NOT any more than the non-makeup stuff. I know I am weird. Although, I am trying think through some of the other stuff being reported. I have spent years thinking my music was more viable because "my bands" didn't rely on some of those "tricks" that POP artist have to.....because they can't do it live.
I have tickets to see the Kiss show in SLC. So even though I am trying to work my way through the reports (my wife thinks I am crazy and need counseling) I know it is going to be AWESOME and I am taking my kids. My 4 year old is going and she is pumped. I just hope they can see over the people in front of them. I want them to get the full experience. Plus my wife who hates KISS is going and I want to have my "gang of KISS fans" against her. Haha
Ace should play tommys songs from sonic boom and monster with his solo band
Sure, why not. He is already playing songs like Love Gun.
Anything off of sonic turd and monster dump should t be played anywhere at anytime.
The only thing im disappointed with is that the last Kiss album recorded is Monster? Smh i wanted a better album from them as a goodbye
Damage Inc Studios. I love Monster. It’s a better final album than Psycho Circus
mike racicot well i guess you got what you wanted , not me i wanted a better album then both
I am 56. When I bought KISS Alive early 1976 and opened the gatefoldsleeve, the messagenotes in the sleeve were from Ace, Paul, Peter and Gene. NOT from "Spaceman", "Starchild", "Catman" and the "Demon". They were never just characters to me. They were individuals with individual names. And when Peter left the band / got kicked out., I lost precisely ALL interest that I had left in Kiss as a unit at the time being.
Eddie is spot on....KISS should have ended when the 2000 era tour ended. Fake Ace & Cheater Peter? C’mon now....
Too bad you aren't respectful like everyone on the podcast.
agreed, if new band members had gotten to create their own characters it would've been so much better.
Eh. I don’t think so.
They tried that a long time ago and it didn't work,that was the reason for dropping the make-up in the first place, just like bringing Ace and Peter back also didn't work. As far as Tommy and Eric wearing the iconic characters ,they are what you think of when you hear the name "KISS" and it's just my opinion but I think they are actually bringing a certain amount of respect to those characters that have been known to be unreliable and not dependable for shows and recording sessions, I don't believe for a second that anyone that grew up as a fan would turn down the opportunity to be either one of those characters, maybe it's just me, but I look at it like paying homage to the iconic characters Ace and Peter created , after all would you rather Gene and Paul never acknowledged those characters,that were an important part of the bands history?
Really enjoyed this. Didn’t necessarily agreed with everything said but hey, that’s why it’s called an opinion. It’s funny, my “out” of seeing KISS live was 2008 too. Not only the stale playlist but even Paul’s talk-ups. I saw a show with my brothers and we were actually reciting his talk-ups while he was doing it. It became a running joke with us. I’ve been a fan since I was 8 and will always remain one.
I listened to this again and really enjoyed it. I can tell Eddie loosened up a bit after some time. It was a great interview. I do side with Eddie just because I am a die hard KISS fan from the 70’s.. I can say that I was thrilled to take my sons to their first KISS show even with Tommy and Eric... im 52 but really appreciated all your opinions.. I think I understand why Paul would sell his stage guitars for so much primarily to prevent jerks that have nothing to gain but resell it online. I am a guitar player and think it would be a dream to play a stage played guitar but unfortunately thanks to online resellers they would take that amazing experience and ruin it as I would keep it for a lifetime. Anyway good interview !
I always go back and listen to this interview.. Both sides can have their opinion and spin it how they need to fit their narrative. Eddie has managed to make it a career... Love all the guys on three sides.. Respect everybody's argument, but eddie keeps it true to the vest. Alot of valid points.overall, going with the motions
Have any opening acts for any of the shows on the EOTRT been announced yet?
Jeez, Mark talks too much! He does´t give Michael and Tommy any chance to interact and keeps interrupting Eddie. How annoying.
Listen to the wrap up at the end. Mark was amazing and I didn’t want to speak.
Thanks Luiz but I didn't feel that way. Its always a tricky balance when you have all three of us wanting to ask questions
Oddly enough I agree withEddie on most points, but.... I am still going to 2 EOTR shows(so far) and am looking forward to this tour. I have already lived through one “Farewell” tour and I just enjoy the shows, who knows if it will be the actual last time.
great post
Great show loved the whole thing
Over 25 minutes in and no one has brought up the money. Who would leave all that money on the table? Eddie clearly sides with Ace because he has a personal history with him however if Ace is problematic you can't blame Gene and Paul for continuing on without him. The success Kiss has enjoyed since 2000 speaks for itself imo.
Real quality stage used guitar for 5k is one thing. but a 60 dollar china knock off guitar used for a minute while it stays in tune, that's gross Paul.
Preach on Eddie. When I was a kid (born in 1963) I too dealt with plenty of other people/class mates/etc that ridiculed me because I was a Kiss fan. When I joined the Kiss Army I thought I was someone special but I didn't dare tell anyone because I knew that I would be laughed at. It was I that got the last laugh.
The great debate. Loved the show guys. Awesome. Cheers
Just saw ace in Seattle last Wednesday night. Great show! However ! My date whom has never seen ace or kiss said that Ace wasn’t sober. I said, “ That’s how Ace walks and talks”, an comments?
I love Mark, PLEASE find a way to stop interrupting yourself and going off topic.
I appreciate your knowledge and learn from it. Please stop interrupting yourself
I think Eddie sounds better when he is sick, more toned down. I have never heard of KISS being accused of being a corporate manufactured brand. Being a fan since Alive I am old and just glad to have had them around for this long. It is a fantasy. It would be interesting to see a new KISS band with 20 somethings
200 shows?! I saw them once, once was enough.
Coming here again to re-listen this whole thing once again... for fun of course and nothing else... made me think again of how one person can be in total denial... like Mark was during this whole debate. I still laugh when he compared the replacements made for Creatures of the night and Dynasty with what Kiss has been for the last decade missing points such as the guys replacing Ace and Peter during and after Creatures had at least their own characters and make up... at least. Well enough have been said already about this and other interesting stuff related to Kiss. Only curious about if Paul and Gene would replace themselves too and whom would be the replacements.