I really like Boghosian a lot. He's been preaching the "what would it take to change your mind" angle for years, both in conversation and when considering your own beliefs, and personally I think it's really effective.
Never seen this guy before what enjoy destiny’s content. I have to say, this conversation is download worthy!! Excellent guest !! Excellent conversation!! And entertaining watching these two clever individuals not spar so much as agree in a fun way about epistemology and conversational tactics. 🎉
If under 10 minutes into a conversation Destiny decides to stop playing whatever game he's playing and focus on the convo, you know it's probably going to be a good one. Boghossian is amazing.
Yea I’m a grown ass man and half of streamer drama he has, I have no idea what they are going on about….It’s a shame cause I been enjoying his content since SC days and now feel like I’m watching a high school drama unfold.
I came to like your content a lot because of your critical thinking skills. I have never liked debating for myself because I noticed that a lot of people like to pick a hill to die on, then use strawman arguments or just argue for the sake of. Thanks for the insight with this educational dive on the process, it gives me hope lol
Same here, I just can't really relate to people with unbendable positions. Alot of people shout their opiniens on recent matters from the rooftops without thinking about how they arrived there. Co Workers at my work luckily shut up real quick when you point out that being only critical and opposed to government decisions makes them as much as a sheep as the people they love to tell shit about.
The strawman and lack of understanding of the otherside feels even worse because it doesn't seem like anyone even stands for anything, anymore. Republican ads don't say "Republican candidate stands for x," it's "Don't vote for Democrat because they y." 🤦 Like, how about instead of telling me how bad you think some "crazy guys"' idea is tell me what YOUR idea is?
@@aSSGoblin1488 well, a trans woman, but I'm a traditionalist. Holy shit. Million dollar idea. A movie where Jordan Peterson plays Jesse Lee Peterson for Netflix, and Jesse Lee Peterson plays Jordan Peterson.
@[卐]Lakehuntist ⸜⁄ I checked out your channel to review your claims of greatness, so nobody else has to. Looks like your standard school shooter starter kit. Get help.
I love this more than that Internet bloodsport shit. Always hated it but liked the critical thinking and fleshing out of arguments. If Destiny does more of this, I’ll watch more. It’s been awhile.
Really? I felt like a college kid getting lectured by an actual academic here. Destiny is entertaining but really out of his depth in these convos. He's to used to debating kids and various other right wingers.
@@lifeunderthestarstv how was he out of his depth here? Bhogossian basically agreed with everything Destiny said. This isn't a debate dude. It's just an exchange of ideas and experience.
His channel is super underrated. I subscribed and really enjoyed his videos. He isn't confrontational, he really wants to hear these young people's views.
@@Al-ji4gd well from what I understand of the guy is he got attention for writing a book about how to try to sow doubt in religious peoples world view and their thought processes. The book was called a manual for creating atheists. Putting it into practice fans and proponents called it street epistemology, not sure if he named it that or not. I just wasn’t sure if you were mad at him for turning it onto left leaning people or not. Personally I was at first but I don’t know what he’s done or happened to him up until this point so I just don’t know enough to have an opinion on him.
It’s actually awesome to see well spoken opinions on closing the divide in our country, these conversations are increasingly rare. Awesome stuff. I was thinking it would be a cool idea to bring people like this together in order to strategize possible larger scale solutions. Y’all let me know what y’all think.
yes very good indeed, I will have my contacts in Hollywood set up for a meeting of the minds with all the richest / most famous celebrities so they can get the message out. What message you may ask? The message that the top 100 smartest people in the world collectively agree on spreading, which by the way will be all set up by ME, because i have contacts in Smartpeopleville. Thank you for this brilliant idea, had I not seen your comment I may have just single handedly let Earth die.
I took Peter's "science and pseudoscience" class at Portland State University about 8 years ago and loved it. I'm so happy seeing these two speak and have a good conversation. Hopefully there will be more in the future.
This is the type of content I've been wanting. I wish there was more of it. I could've listened for another 12 hours. I feel like the topics and themes that were briefly touched on here, if they can take root and spread into the greater sphere of political/social discourse, can act as a vaccine for the diseased and rotted landscape it has become. Even though that seems like an insurmountable task like a guy pulling weeds individually in a hundred million acre forest while knowing the environment hosts the specific conditions for those weeds to just keep regrowing, mirroring back how Peter described what types of engagement gets promoted or rewarded on twitter. Albeit the worst (arguably tumblr) and largest space for it, it's not the only place where it's prevalent. It's just the place where people are more likely to voice an opposing view and then be seen by the most eyes. Reddit is just as bad, but like youtube, that's also a space where you only find yourself at any given place and point because you have to make the choice to be there versus it being easier to be subjected to (lacking the word I'm looking for) a wider spanning ecosystem like twitter. Dumb analogy but imagine urine was food coloring and the ocean was crystal clear. It's like spotting and pointing out pool pissers versus ocean pissers.
i feel like this was a good warmup conversation to set a groundwork, that both of you work on a similar framework. now it would be interesting to see you two have a conversation on a topic you disagree (if theres any, but probably there is)
I find drama so boring, or any time the volume levels fluctuate a lot is annoying. I turn the volume down because I don't want to hear shouting but then can't hear them speak normal 😔.
This kind of conversation, this kind of content is what Destiny should aim for for a cleaner and brighter future. This is exactly the kind of respectful and considerate exchange that I absolutely love. One of my favourite videos made by Destiny for sure! Thanks :)
I absolutely loved this conversation - truly, one of my favorites out of all the streams/videos. I'm excited to see more conversations with the two of you (and possibly some of the people that he recommended). I also hope he'll have discussions/guests like this, more often. Their genuine chemistry together, intrigue, collaboration, and excitement was fantastic. It allowed the entire conversation to flow, mesh and meld together in ways that are often difficult to achieve in this arena; much less, so organically. There is immense value and benefit in these discussions being accessible for the average person to participate in. Especially when it's coming from a set of people who are solely interested in engaging in good faith and honesty, with vulnerability, sincerity, genuinely interested in each other/the others point of view, continuously remaining respectful, and able to feed off each other throughout every facet of the discussion. I normally listen to the streams and videos in the background, but I ended up stopping what I was doing so that I could be fully focused on this one.
I know this type of content probably doesn't have the virality incentive as his other engagements but I have to think that a large segment of his core viewership (personal anecdotal observation) is/has been thirsting for it and I hope he does more content along these lines in the future. If anything it's a good tool for positive PR for his image when he engages in conversations on these themes of honest and insightful topics behind fruitful debate/discourse and the efficacity of the means and methods to achieve it.
1:27:00 I learned this lesson myself in my late 20s but unironically Sam hyde has some good advice that helped me even more, he basically says people like that aren't even worth a "breakup" just slowly ghost them out of your life with no effort, really helped me
Great advice. I teared up at some points. He also said a lot of things that brought me a lot of relief about the state of the world currently. Another rewatchable conversation i will come back to often
Guy seems like a good touchstone guest. Come back every 6 to 12 months. Calibrate the thought process. Even discuss what has been trending for more content.
Nice to see Dr. Boghossian on here! Been watching his content for awhile and really respect his style. Reminds me of professors I used to have that had open discussions with students and didn't try to force their narrative as the "correct" opinion or view.
Wow, great advice from Peter. I feel like his advice to ask people what would change their mind and how certain they are from 1 to 10 on an issue was stellar, definitely going to be using that. I would like to see a debate review by Peter on one of Destiny's debates, kinda like how Booksmarts used to do.
Commenting for the algorithm. I really enjoyed this conversation. Hope more content is like this. I went and followed Peter and some other street episitimologists.
I do enjoy peter but man you can tell when someone just started training jiujitsu because they find a way to fit it into the conversation out of seemingly out of no where. I been training almost a decade (still a purple belt i suck) and i always laugh at these comments still. And yes i see the irony in my comment haha
This is great! Need more videos of you two together just having a conversation on no specific topic but just talking and sharing ideas and thinking out loud and asking questions etc!
It really shows how smart Destiny is. Destiny does so many of the things that this guy learned later in life. It was cool for Destiny not to constantly say "I already know that" even though he already knew like 95% of the things this guy told him.
Yes, it was as if steven confronted some kind of scholar about argumentation theory who told him a bunch of theoretical stuff that destiny already used a numerous times in an actual debate. He never needed theory, he was just talented for philosophy without ever reading anything.
This was an absolutely awesome conversation. I greatly enjoyed this Destiny. I recently came across Peter myself, and his conversations have been piqued my curiosity in the socratic method more. Enjoy your content!
When's the next meeting happening? This is like therapy and asmr rolled into one. It's been a literal eternity since I listened to something this pleasant and agreeable.
It makes me really happy to see Destiny interacting with someone who is as invested in how we think and the ways to break through thinking that is not reality-based. It seemed to make him really happy! Great video
It was so interesting to listen to a conversation where the people actually got excited and perked up when they disagreed. 💭 Yes maybe I can learn something! Totally my vibe
What a great conversation! Peter was a really awesome guest, I hope he and Destiny have the time and opportunity to come together again. We need more like this.
OMG! I’m getting the shivery-timbers! This guy has moderated a discussion with Jordan Peterson! I can’t believe it, that basically counts as actually talking with Peterson, so Dest never really lied about that at all!
Debates are borderline worthless. Dialectics are the best way to come to an understanding. The "I don't know" part is something I figured out about 10 years ago and have as of 4 years ago been able to alter my conversations to say that when it is apt. The fact is that when pressed that is always my baseline answer. None of us really know. We have data that works, but it is still not absolute fact, or rather, we cannot know for sure if it is absolute fact. At first, people are clearly off-put by it(I assume because it is so rare to hear), but they get used to it and conversations become much more honest and grounded. I've noticed people following my lead, especially at work.
I really respect Destiny for doing this. He is someone who is so fierce, who does blend the line between wanting to be right and wanting to pursue truth. It is difficult and here is an unfiltered humble fucking pursuit of becoming better. I appreciate that so much. A lesson to anyone that they can remember to get your notepad out, shut up, and take some notes sometimes.
I really appreciate how this conversation got me to seriously consider what evidence it would take for my mind to be changed on Destiny being a boy’s name.
There is a problem regarding that methodology(Attitude towards the truth section). Just because you are willing to get asked the same question that you ask somebody else, doesn't mean that a said question is an equivalent proposition. You can literally be fine with getting asked the same questions that you ask somebody else, and find it easy to answer your own questions because A- your belief goes along with popular opinion, therefore your answers to your intended questions will be much appreciated by the majority(doesn't mean that it is True) or B- Your question can be hard for somebody else to answer but easy for you to answer because it relates to a religion that you don't believe in(Example: Man A is a Christian and Man B is a Muslim...Man A asks man B if he believes in the Islamic narrative. Man A will then be asked the same question, where the answer will be easily answered as a big "No" because you bring up such an easy question for you to answer, but more difficult for the person that you've initially asked. This will also be due to culture and what different people are sensitive to. Naturally, Islam is not something that is commonly practiced by the western world, therefor Christianity has a much better standing in western society than Islam is when brought up in debates within western discourse.
It's so strange and like amazing to see two people with really experienced developed and mature debate skills - not just debate but also talking skills - and both are not appeasing to any extremes of right or left. They want to search for true and good things. That is fucking difficult. It's difficult because you not longer appease to a group of people. And those groups from all sides will attack you mercilessly with their brain dead ad homs. This is refreshing for fucking normal people like me who isn't treating politics like a religion.
These are my favorite conversations because they really improve me. I credit a lot of my personal development to the content on this channel, and the critical thinking ability it gifted me. Stuff like this really pushes that a step further and helps me flesh out my thought patterns and helps me be actually effective at communicating ideas to people.
@frigglesHD | Let's Plays really it just kinda opened my mind to the idea of like Starting from the bottom and constructing principles from there. Before that I was kinda just parroting whatever people said with very little digging beyond surface level to assess the soundness of the arguments. I carry myself to different standards now I guess. I try not to believe in things without reason. And Im a hell of a lot better at communicating ideas with others than I used to be.
Your guest today is a god! This is what reading socail studies or psychology look like if you are intelligent. AMAZONG TALK! (Sry spelling kinda drunk)
I feel exactly the same way when I watch a conversation at 2 - 2.5x speed instead of 3 - 4x. Though when it comes to Destiny, who naturally speaks at 2x speed, there is also an upper speed limit when consuming his content. Hopefully one day Destiny will get old enough to slow down his speech and bring it closer to the average guest. I do realize that I absorb information far more easily than most people, but I believe that's largely due to practice, as I consume an irregular quantity of knowledge from a very large variety of sources and the speed that I can process language has continued to increase year on year.
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One of my favorite conversations from the recent guests, I’d love for them to connect again in the future. Stoked that this finally got its own video.
yeah these are the convos that I look foward to, I am so bored everytime there is a panel
fr, stellar convo
I really like Boghosian a lot. He's been preaching the "what would it take to change your mind" angle for years, both in conversation and when considering your own beliefs, and personally I think it's really effective.
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Never seen this guy before what enjoy destiny’s content. I have to say, this conversation is download worthy!! Excellent guest !! Excellent conversation!! And entertaining watching these two clever individuals not spar so much as agree in a fun way about epistemology and conversational tactics. 🎉
If under 10 minutes into a conversation Destiny decides to stop playing whatever game he's playing and focus on the convo, you know it's probably going to be a good one. Boghossian is amazing.
When he starts taking notes, you know it’s gonna be good
But what kind of name is Destiny?
@@theonlyakuma a girls name.
@@theonlyakuma why do you people have to ruin every comment section?
@@handsomebear. don't comment if you're gonna ruin it
I wish Destiny would talk to people like this more often
Yeah absolutely love this guy, fucking hate when destiny talks to leftists. Its always lies and projection.
I wish destiny wasn’t a girls name.
Yea I’m a grown ass man and half of streamer drama he has, I have no idea what they are going on about….It’s a shame cause I been enjoying his content since SC days and now feel like I’m watching a high school drama unfold.
@@closed11609 Amazing!!
Adults? Yes.
I came to like your content a lot because of your critical thinking skills. I have never liked debating for myself because I noticed that a lot of people like to pick a hill to die on, then use strawman arguments or just argue for the sake of. Thanks for the insight with this educational dive on the process, it gives me hope lol
Same here, I just can't really relate to people with unbendable positions. Alot of people shout their opiniens on recent matters from the rooftops without thinking about how they arrived there. Co Workers at my work luckily shut up real quick when you point out that being only critical and opposed to government decisions makes them as much as a sheep as the people they love to tell shit about.
Typically debates are formatted to inform a wider audience rather than convince the opposite side to concede the topic of debate
If you watching destiny for critical thinking you've got a long way to go kids.
@@lifeunderthestarstv Who do you watch for critical thinking?
The strawman and lack of understanding of the otherside feels even worse because it doesn't seem like anyone even stands for anything, anymore. Republican ads don't say "Republican candidate stands for x," it's "Don't vote for Democrat because they y." 🤦
Like, how about instead of telling me how bad you think some "crazy guys"' idea is tell me what YOUR idea is?
Yes! Glad to see Peter on your show. He finds ways to talk to people who would otherwise be unapproachable.
jordan peterson may have more melanin than i thought
@@aSSGoblin1488 he will in the Netflix adaptation
@@LunarLocust JP will be played by a black woman
@@aSSGoblin1488 well, a trans woman, but I'm a traditionalist.
Holy shit. Million dollar idea. A movie where Jordan Peterson plays Jesse Lee Peterson for Netflix, and Jesse Lee Peterson plays Jordan Peterson.
@@LunarLocust JLP plays the biggest transphobe Peter Jordansen
He needs to talk to this guy again
@@TheStormSuspect same
@[卐]Lakehuntist ⸜⁄ I checked out your channel to review your claims of greatness, so nobody else has to. Looks like your standard school shooter starter kit. Get help.
Definitely, one of the best recent convos
Maybe next time he won't act like he already knows everything being said. ...probably not.
This is by far my favourite type of Destiny content. Great conversation!
that is true, but it's undeniable that his claim of Destiny being pregnant at 17:14 proves 100% Destiny is a girl
@@june4135 he must be, it’s a girls name haha
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I love this more than that Internet bloodsport shit. Always hated it but liked the critical thinking and fleshing out of arguments. If Destiny does more of this, I’ll watch more. It’s been awhile.
boghossian is great. i feel like theres crazy potential for some seriously good talks between these 2 in the future.
Really? I felt like a college kid getting lectured by an actual academic here. Destiny is entertaining but really out of his depth in these convos. He's to used to debating kids and various other right wingers.
@@lifeunderthestarstv how was he out of his depth here? Bhogossian basically agreed with everything Destiny said. This isn't a debate dude. It's just an exchange of ideas and experience.
His channel is super underrated. I subscribed and really enjoyed his videos. He isn't confrontational, he really wants to hear these young people's views.
Why is his Twitter account so insane and hateful?
My old philosophy professor and my favorite political streamer having a conversation, weird world.
Did he talk about his 'street epistemology' nonsense?
@@Al-ji4gd what makes you say nonsense?
@@Al-ji4gd you mad
@@stephenpeterson6034 I mean, anyone who has studied philosophy would come to the same conclusion. Even calling it epistemology is pushing it.
@@Al-ji4gd well from what I understand of the guy is he got attention for writing a book about how to try to sow doubt in religious peoples world view and their thought processes. The book was called a manual for creating atheists. Putting it into practice fans and proponents called it street epistemology, not sure if he named it that or not. I just wasn’t sure if you were mad at him for turning it onto left leaning people or not. Personally I was at first but I don’t know what he’s done or happened to him up until this point so I just don’t know enough to have an opinion on him.
Steven!!! MOOOOOOORE!!!!
This was an incredibly insightful chat.
It’s actually awesome to see well spoken opinions on closing the divide in our country, these conversations are increasingly rare. Awesome stuff. I was thinking it would be a cool idea to bring people like this together in order to strategize possible larger scale solutions. Y’all let me know what y’all think.
yes very good indeed, I will have my contacts in Hollywood set up for a meeting of the minds with all the richest / most famous celebrities so they can get the message out. What message you may ask? The message that the top 100 smartest people in the world collectively agree on spreading, which by the way will be all set up by ME, because i have contacts in Smartpeopleville. Thank you for this brilliant idea, had I not seen your comment I may have just single handedly let Earth die.
Big fan of both of you! So glad this chat happened, I'd love another!
I took Peter's "science and pseudoscience" class at Portland State University about 8 years ago and loved it. I'm so happy seeing these two speak and have a good conversation. Hopefully there will be more in the future.
This is one of the best conversations that I think destiny has had on this channel. I highly recommend giving this a full listen.
holy shit, this was so refreshing. Destiny having an intelligent conversation with someone with a brain is a breath of fresh air.
This conversation is so good that I'm going to listen to it again. Great content!
Get a job
@@jamesclement8985 I literally listened to this at work. I don’t know how you can call someone jobless for enjoying content 😂
This is the type of content I've been wanting. I wish there was more of it. I could've listened for another 12 hours. I feel like the topics and themes that were briefly touched on here, if they can take root and spread into the greater sphere of political/social discourse, can act as a vaccine for the diseased and rotted landscape it has become. Even though that seems like an insurmountable task like a guy pulling weeds individually in a hundred million acre forest while knowing the environment hosts the specific conditions for those weeds to just keep regrowing, mirroring back how Peter described what types of engagement gets promoted or rewarded on twitter. Albeit the worst (arguably tumblr) and largest space for it, it's not the only place where it's prevalent. It's just the place where people are more likely to voice an opposing view and then be seen by the most eyes. Reddit is just as bad, but like youtube, that's also a space where you only find yourself at any given place and point because you have to make the choice to be there versus it being easier to be subjected to (lacking the word I'm looking for) a wider spanning ecosystem like twitter. Dumb analogy but imagine urine was food coloring and the ocean was crystal clear. It's like spotting and pointing out pool pissers versus ocean pissers.
This is how I want my conversations to go. Great thought leaders, leading by examples.
i feel like this was a good warmup conversation to set a groundwork, that both of you work on a similar framework. now it would be interesting to see you two have a conversation on a topic you disagree (if theres any, but probably there is)
This was very insightful. More of these discussions that stay cordial are nice to watch
They stimulate thoughts more than provoking emotions
I find drama so boring, or any time the volume levels fluctuate a lot is annoying.
I turn the volume down because I don't want to hear shouting but then can't hear them speak normal 😔.
This kind of conversation, this kind of content is what Destiny should aim for for a cleaner and brighter future. This is exactly the kind of respectful and considerate exchange that I absolutely love. One of my favourite videos made by Destiny for sure! Thanks :)
I absolutely loved this conversation - truly, one of my favorites out of all the streams/videos. I'm excited to see more conversations with the two of you (and possibly some of the people that he recommended). I also hope he'll have discussions/guests like this, more often. Their genuine chemistry together, intrigue, collaboration, and excitement was fantastic. It allowed the entire conversation to flow, mesh and meld together in ways that are often difficult to achieve in this arena; much less, so organically. There is immense value and benefit in these discussions being accessible for the average person to participate in. Especially when it's coming from a set of people who are solely interested in engaging in good faith and honesty, with vulnerability, sincerity, genuinely interested in each other/the others point of view, continuously remaining respectful, and able to feed off each other throughout every facet of the discussion.
I normally listen to the streams and videos in the background, but I ended up stopping what I was doing so that I could be fully focused on this one.
I know this type of content probably doesn't have the virality incentive as his other engagements but I have to think that a large segment of his core viewership (personal anecdotal observation) is/has been thirsting for it and I hope he does more content along these lines in the future. If anything it's a good tool for positive PR for his image when he engages in conversations on these themes of honest and insightful topics behind fruitful debate/discourse and the efficacity of the means and methods to achieve it.
Why was this only just uploaded? This was one of the best convos you've had in ages.
August lookin' at the archives for anything good while Destiny is out.
Nah August is a genius, this is to prep the viewer of his upcoming irl events.
@@gsutvaos868 TRUE
@@gsutvaos868 5head move
@@gsutvaos868 For when is it scheduled? I assume you are talking about the campus stuff?
@@JustScrapHD next week I think?
I have been following both of you for some time, and I am SO HAPPY this convo finally happened! So refreshing.
This was incredibly refreshing. Hope these two talk more
I once powerwashed Pete’s backyard for $100… cool dude
31:24 "You can no longer convey a descriptive fact about something. You're also conveying your normative/moral feelings about it." SO TRUE!
1:27:00 I learned this lesson myself in my late 20s but unironically Sam hyde has some good advice that helped me even more, he basically says people like that aren't even worth a "breakup" just slowly ghost them out of your life with no effort, really helped me
Great advice. I teared up at some points. He also said a lot of things that brought me a lot of relief about the state of the world currently. Another rewatchable conversation i will come back to often
Wow I didn't think this would get featured! This was a good convo
This felt very cathartic. Like Destiny was finally being heard. Shame about the name, though.
😭🤣
Guy seems like a good touchstone guest. Come back every 6 to 12 months. Calibrate the thought process. Even discuss what has been trending for more content.
Can this please become a regular thing. You two are brilliant in your own ways. And when you disagree, it's actually comforting
Typical. You're after comfort and not the truth 😂😉
Yes!! Great convo. Peter Boghossian needs to come back again. This is top tier stuff.👍
oh my god Yes. The idea of you 2 coming together hadn't even crossed my mind, I love Dr. Boghossian's channel.
Nice to see Dr. Boghossian on here! Been watching his content for awhile and really respect his style. Reminds me of professors I used to have that had open discussions with students and didn't try to force their narrative as the "correct" opinion or view.
Holy shit I missed this one the first time, Destiny really needs to talk to Dr. Boghossian again, this was a great conversation!
Wow, great advice from Peter. I feel like his advice to ask people what would change their mind and how certain they are from 1 to 10 on an issue was stellar, definitely going to be using that.
I would like to see a debate review by Peter on one of Destiny's debates, kinda like how Booksmarts used to do.
Peter Boghossian is based i'm glad destiny got to talk to him
Commenting for the algorithm. I really enjoyed this conversation. Hope more content is like this. I went and followed Peter and some other street episitimologists.
I do enjoy peter but man you can tell when someone just started training jiujitsu because they find a way to fit it into the conversation out of seemingly out of no where. I been training almost a decade (still a purple belt i suck) and i always laugh at these comments still. And yes i see the irony in my comment haha
So true. Hilarious 😂
very true. the worst and the best part about new people is the enthusiasm
Lol
This is great! Need more videos of you two together just having a conversation on no specific topic but just talking and sharing ideas and thinking out loud and asking questions etc!
It really shows how smart Destiny is. Destiny does so many of the things that this guy learned later in life. It was cool for Destiny not to constantly say "I already know that" even though he already knew like 95% of the things this guy told him.
That may be true but there's still value in knowing someone else finds those same points valid.
Yes, it was as if steven confronted some kind of scholar about argumentation theory who told him a bunch of theoretical stuff that destiny already used a numerous times in an actual debate. He never needed theory, he was just talented for philosophy without ever reading anything.
Gluck Gluck 9000 right here
This was an absolutely awesome conversation. I greatly enjoyed this Destiny. I recently came across Peter myself, and his conversations have been piqued my curiosity in the socratic method more. Enjoy your content!
I want destiny to do street epistemology with this guy. GIMMIE THE CROSSOVER.
When's the next meeting happening? This is like therapy and asmr rolled into one. It's been a literal eternity since I listened to something this pleasant and agreeable.
This is the other half of Destiny's content that we love to see!
This is one of my favourite interactions on the channel, can't wait for the next one.
It makes me really happy to see Destiny interacting with someone who is as invested in how we think and the ways to break through thinking that is not reality-based. It seemed to make him really happy! Great video
i love it when your guests are cordial and have an honest discussion I can actually hear both sides
Is this a sign that we are finally getting passed the current drama arc?
It was so interesting to listen to a conversation where the people actually got excited and perked up when they disagreed. 💭 Yes maybe I can learn something! Totally my vibe
Please have this guy back on
What a great conversation! Peter was a really awesome guest, I hope he and Destiny have the time and opportunity to come together again. We need more like this.
This is the best detiny conversation ive seen in a while
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OMG! I’m getting the shivery-timbers! This guy has moderated a discussion with Jordan Peterson! I can’t believe it, that basically counts as actually talking with Peterson, so Dest never really lied about that at all!
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He still lies about destiny not being a girls name though.
Or he got confused between jp and jlp, since they look identical.
Yo wtf this is genuinely good content
been a while huh.
Thank you for this video. It helped me talk about my religious doubts to my mom.
Been waiting for this. so refreshing. It feels like sucking air after having my head forced underwater.
Oh holy shit. I was wondering why this hadn’t got posted. This was ages ago. Solid convo
best destiny video in a while. incredibly well handled from both men
Loved this big time! Would be amazing to see more guests like Peter talk to you
Amazing discussion, learned so much from it!
One of the absolute best conversations imo. I hope they talk again soon.
More of this please!
Debates are borderline worthless.
Dialectics are the best way to come to an understanding.
The "I don't know" part is something I figured out about 10 years ago and have as of 4 years ago been able to alter my conversations to say that when it is apt. The fact is that when pressed that is always my baseline answer. None of us really know. We have data that works, but it is still not absolute fact, or rather, we cannot know for sure if it is absolute fact.
At first, people are clearly off-put by it(I assume because it is so rare to hear), but they get used to it and conversations become much more honest and grounded. I've noticed people following my lead, especially at work.
Such a good conversation, i hope they talk more often
I've been waiting for this crossover!
Awesome! This talk is great. I'm glad more eyes will see it
I really respect Destiny for doing this. He is someone who is so fierce, who does blend the line between wanting to be right and wanting to pursue truth. It is difficult and here is an unfiltered humble fucking pursuit of becoming better. I appreciate that so much. A lesson to anyone that they can remember to get your notepad out, shut up, and take some notes sometimes.
I really appreciate how this conversation got me to seriously consider what evidence it would take for my mind to be changed on Destiny being a boy’s name.
Uhmayzin!
Why was this uploaded so late? Probably my favorite conversation this year and i didnt even know it happened until now
i want this guy on every week god damn
This was a really really good talk :) thank you!!
I’m going to send this to all the video essayists that say Destiny is just a clout hungry monster who likes to scream at people for shits and giggles.
I really enjoyed the conversation. Thanks to Steven and Peter!
There is a problem regarding that methodology(Attitude towards the truth section). Just because you are willing to get asked the same question that you ask somebody else, doesn't mean that a said question is an equivalent proposition. You can literally be fine with getting asked the same questions that you ask somebody else, and find it easy to answer your own questions because A- your belief goes along with popular opinion, therefore your answers to your intended questions will be much appreciated by the majority(doesn't mean that it is True) or B- Your question can be hard for somebody else to answer but easy for you to answer because it relates to a religion that you don't believe in(Example: Man A is a Christian and Man B is a Muslim...Man A asks man B if he believes in the Islamic narrative. Man A will then be asked the same question, where the answer will be easily answered as a big "No" because you bring up such an easy question for you to answer, but more difficult for the person that you've initially asked. This will also be due to culture and what different people are sensitive to. Naturally, Islam is not something that is commonly practiced by the western world, therefor Christianity has a much better standing in western society than Islam is when brought up in debates within western discourse.
Just binged a bunch of Peter’s vids. Glad we found him
More talks with Peter. That was very enjoyable. Thank you.
It's so strange and like amazing to see two people with really experienced developed and mature debate skills - not just debate but also talking skills - and both are not appeasing to any extremes of right or left. They want to search for true and good things. That is fucking difficult. It's difficult because you not longer appease to a group of people. And those groups from all sides will attack you mercilessly with their brain dead ad homs.
This is refreshing for fucking normal people like me who isn't treating politics like a religion.
damn, that was a really great conversation.
These are my favorite conversations because they really improve me.
I credit a lot of my personal development to the content on this channel, and the critical thinking ability it gifted me. Stuff like this really pushes that a step further and helps me flesh out my thought patterns and helps me be actually effective at communicating ideas to people.
@frigglesHD | Let's Plays really it just kinda opened my mind to the idea of like
Starting from the bottom and constructing principles from there.
Before that I was kinda just parroting whatever people said with very little digging beyond surface level to assess the soundness of the arguments. I carry myself to different standards now I guess. I try not to believe in things without reason. And Im a hell of a lot better at communicating ideas with others than I used to be.
@frigglesHD | Let's Plays been meaning to look into his books. I'll have to in a bit. Thanks for the interaction broski :)
Wonderful conversation!
We need a sequel of this.
Your guest today is a god!
This is what reading socail studies or psychology look like if you are intelligent. AMAZONG TALK!
(Sry spelling kinda drunk)
This is such a good convo, these two are both on the side of unity and hope they can spread this mindset to many people around the world soon.
Oh I like this guy . Good to see you two talk
My IQ increased by 30pt after this video
So now it's 31?
nice to see a video of this conversation
August delivering during content drought as always
Loved this. You know it's a good conversation when you find yourself pausing multiple times to absorb what you just heard.
I feel exactly the same way when I watch a conversation at 2 - 2.5x speed instead of 3 - 4x. Though when it comes to Destiny, who naturally speaks at 2x speed, there is also an upper speed limit when consuming his content. Hopefully one day Destiny will get old enough to slow down his speech and bring it closer to the average guest. I do realize that I absorb information far more easily than most people, but I believe that's largely due to practice, as I consume an irregular quantity of knowledge from a very large variety of sources and the speed that I can process language has continued to increase year on year.
My advice is to never name yourself after a girl if you are of the male gender
Wtf August how did this convo get backlogged so hard it's a really good one
Please destiny, you have to do more pol sci, your fan base doesn’t follow you for drama streams!
Super based convo and great guest 👌
I follow destiny for drama streams and these conversations with the professor. Nothing wrong with range.
This was an incredibly interesting discussion. I wasn't a fan of Destiny 5 years ago but I am now. Well done sir!
Get this guy back on!!!
lovely exchange, thanks to both for being open to a discussion across personal & political lines.
August really cracking open the vault for this one
This happened in JULY!? Before the End of All Things?
Wtf why wasn't it posted sooner? This is some of the best content I've ever heard!