My overall thoughts summarized from this video! (this is probably gonna be long sorry) 1) Genshin 4.8 looks cool. I don't think it's anything crazy, but I'm always excited for the summer events + new content = win 2) Emilie looks aight. Her design is growing on me a bit, but still not a huge fan and in general I just don't use dendro a lot tbh. Will wait to see how it feels to play her ingame before making any final conclusions tho. 3) Skins are fire. I love the Kirara skins design, too bad I don't use her LOL 4) Natlan shows promise and a lot of characters look dope, but the lack of range in skin tone once again raises questions. Don't get me wrong, I'm honestly super excited for this region and can't wait to learn more about it/the characters (the Capitano reveal was crazy), but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed and confused with the choice of color palette for the overall range of these skin tones. (TL;DR you can’t properly pay homage/take inspiration by just picking and choosing certain parts of different cultures, but leaving out the most important aspect being the people) It might’ve been hard to follow along in the video since this was just off the top of my head and my initial reaction, but I think the biggest red flag that arises with this situation is that while this is a fictional game, Genshin impact takes inspiration from different cultures/regions in our real world. To borrow and use all these aspects of several different (real) countries, but leave out/replace the people that belong to them is just not a great message to be sending. I'm sure to many people, it feels as if they're being told that their cultures are beautiful and befitting to be used as source material in the game, but they themselves aren’t worthy of being there. Yes, at the end of the day it's a fictional game and HoYoverse chooses to put whatever they want in Genshin Impact, but to a lot of people it would be nice to see not only the music/architecture/clothing etc… of their cultures and countries being represented, but also they the people themselves in this game. Though it may seem this way on the outside, HoYoverse is definitely not a singular entity and there is no way these choices for the designs were made by a singular person. This was a choice that had to be mutually reached by all parties and teams involved in creating this game, and for that reason I can't imagine that the reason behind it is something that can be so easily explained. I'm sure they're also well aware of community sentiment, so for that reason like I said in the video, I would just love to understand more of the creative direction process behind the scenes at HoYoverse and why it is that they went with this route. For my thoughts about Natlan as a region and it's gameplay, I like what I see so far but don't have too many thoughts about it until we're shown more about it. Sorry for the long paragraphs but just wanted to better explain my thoughts from this video after I've had more time to process everything! Overall still excited for the content that's coming up, but just wish there was a bit more representation of the people from the cultures/regions that Natlan is supposedly based on.
Thank you for speaking up Ant. Right after some of the trailers, i saw so much anti-black and colorist sentiments all across the internet, in RUclips comments and on Twitter and Reddit (I even saw someone say, “Good. The less, the better.” in response to someone being sad about the lack of dark skin😭) It was so incredibly discouraging and I’m really glad other CCs & the VAs are speaking out because it disempowers colorists and racists and empowers more people to speak out. I can’t say I have any faith in Hoyo to actually do anything about it, but there’s a better chance some positive change might occur the more people speak out, compared to nothing changing if no one speaks out.
As someone who lives in a country that is being used as inspiration for Natlan, I am grateful to hear you talking about the problem that is occurring with Natlan
There is no fucking problem. It’s a damn game. This bullshit about ‘diversity’, and ‘inclusivity’, and’ ‘representation’, is ask a product of the American system. The rest of the world doesn’t fucking care about it
As a 1.0 player, and poc, I really did expect them to kill it with the designs and add more diversity since we have been asking for it for quite a while. They have came a long way since I first started playing. There is no way they havent heard us... the clothes and skins are cool but for Natlan diversity... I am disappointed.
did no one really notice that a skill/burst (maybe) for the pyro archon was revealed when coming at Capitano???😭😭😭😭😭 LIKE GUYS, SHE TRANSFORMED INTO A PHEONIX!?!?!?
@@Elijah.04 I mean I get it but it’s still very reminiscent of Diluc. It just makes me giggle. Diluc truly becoming the “we have the pyro archon at home” unit.
I'm South American and honestly? I'm used to being disappointed in people for dismissing our culture when it comes to pop media. They can showcase our lands, our music, our food... But we are too weird to show, I guess. lmao Really hurts to see a game I love so much constantly downplay their colorism and flat out ignore users' feedback. I know that from now on, I won't spend a penny on it. Esp since dollars are 5x my currency, what on Earth was I thinking?
Well sorry to hear that, but how could you even expect darker characters from a Chinese game, majorly played in China, a country whose beauty standard is skin that looks like paper. I know it hurts and that’s it’s unfair but If they made all or even just the archon dark skinned they would’ve lost a majority of their players and income
@@TheRealAomineDaiki1 Aa i see you're going around excusing this behavior. So bc people are racist and find dark skin unattractive, we should not put poc at the forefront to protect companies money?? This is how hoyo thinks yes, but why are you going around defending that thought? Have u thought that morally the right thing to do would be for the company to represent and maybe change some misconseptions and stereotypes, instead of being a part of the problem. Ofc hoyo isn't a morally right company, but public opinion and boycotting forces companies to cave in, even if they don't actually care.
I knew that they wouldn’t make a dark skinned archon bc those things don’t sell well in China, and other big portions of their player base like Japan and Korea
@@amasenak bro you know that’s not what’s I meant, I meant to type this like this don’t sell. I’m not calling them a thing but combining similar stuff and saying things, sorry if it hurt your feelings that you don’t understand how to use English
@@TheRealAomineDaiki1 I literally did not know what you meant? English is not my native language, and that's how i understood your comment. If u wanna diss my english, atleast don't have gramatical errors while doing so.
Capitano the GOAT. Approve your praise and glazing, keep going🔥🔥 He is for sure menace, the strongest harbinger, apex of strength, absolutele power, HIM
@@antventurei think he will get the Al Haitham/ Wriothesley model that actually has actual muscle definition on their arms and they r buffer than the noodle arms itto model they used for male characters previously.
I think the region looks nice. Archon is a bit iffy but I'll get used to it. Hoyo really needs to use darker tones though like, Other than Iansan in this trailer, there is pretty much nobody who is dark/even like brown ish. I wouldnt mind if they just darken the skin tone, even a little bit. (also now theres drama with one guy whose based on a god(unsure?) so thats a thing now. Hope they make tweaks before the region comes out.)
@@lovelyquhe is most prolly the pyro sovereign or the familiar of the original pyro archon coz why would he of all ppl have smth to say about Neuvillette? There has to be smth some connection between them and both being sovereigns made more sense, until i realized he referred to the dragon sovereigns as "they" so at this point idk. But i would love to see how the plot unfolds in the Natlan patches. He is called One Entombed with Primal Fire. Watever his identity is, sounds ominous af.
Dehya looks more fitting for natlan than the pyro archon lol. She looks cool but like you said, looks out of place. if they used a more "divine" like outfit and dehya's skin tone on her then it would've been perfect imo.
im so, so dissapointed in natlan, i was so excited to at least see other countries being represented in the game ( my country el salvador is not that relevant in games so i had no hope for it to at least be taken as an inspiration ) but when chasca appeared, i got a bit happy, the only thing i didn't like is that her skin is PAPER WHITE and that she's cryo, when in my country, chasca is the virgin of water, it would jave been amazing to see blue colors and a hydro vision on her, maybe not our clothes but our colors. she's very pretty, i love her, but i just wish they took their time in making her look like she's the virgin of water. TT
As a poc i alr knew we werent getting any proper representation, but i also know that its down to more than just simply "colourism" or "racism". Business wise, its probably not as profitable to make dark characters as sad as it is. Ive js learned to take it as what it is. The majority dont care about it, the majority dont even like the cultural influence that natlan has. I at LEAST appreciate the work and effort put into music and architecture
I’m so disappointed to be honest.. I think most of us were excited that there would be actual and better indigenous representation but this is what hoyo “cooked” up? Man I hope they change models and correct names. Very excited for Capitino lore !!
😂 that will never happen remember it's hoyoverse which never listens and Chinese government never shows or likes black characters it's rare for dark chatcters getting chance
don't think they would correct anything, sumeru was similar and they did nothing, and at the end of the day, people will just enjoy everything "besides" the problems
I just want genshin to have a wider diversity of characters, and I know damn well that isn’t happening next nation cuz we’re going to the most snowy area 💀
Imagine they have the darker tones in the next region 😭😭😭 Natlan has paper white people and it’s the PYRO region, where’s the tan? If shneznya (CRYO region) has darker tones, I’m gonna be flabbergasted😭😭😭😭
The only reason is its for business, ig. Hoyo definitely has a capable research team. And what they produce is definitely the result of the research they conducted. Many players say that they want characters with darker skin tones, but maybe the results of their research say that characters with light skin tones are more desirable, so
yeah if they wanna keep they’re lightskin agenda they are perfectly within their rights to- so long as they don’t use real world cultural inspiration that belongs to people of mixed skin tones and races to profit. it is egregious for genshin to warp the gospel and culture of real gods and indigenous people into an aesthetic they deem profitable in the same way it would be holy inappropriate to take jesus christ and implement have as a 8 ft tall nonchalant dreadhead in a game. the difference is one would never be tolerated while the other is seen as “lesser than” by hoyo so they think they can get away with shit like this.
@@usernotfound.......1918 Actually, I just want to try to answer Antoni's question (and several other players) who asked why Hoyo designs more characters with light skin. From a simple business pov
I’m honestly really disappointed and I won’t be pulling on any Natlan banners except for Iansan, and even then I’ll be pulling on whatever non-Natlan banner has her on it. We’ve been so conditioned to crave even the slightest hint of melanin that we’re willing to ignore how whitewashed the characters really are-especially the one based on Olorun, the Yoruba deity! Like wow, that was the nail in the coffin for me. Just look up Olorun + Yoruba and you’ll see what I mean. I used to get Welkin and BP here and there, but no more. Dark & brown people shouldn’t be erased from their own damn cultures.
same, I only like Mualani in the line up, then definitely going for capitano! thank god i have alot of primos saved up, i wont be wasting a dime on this game !
NATLAN IS HERE! WHICH MEANS NEW MAP, NEW CHESTS, NEW AREAS TO EXPLORE, MORE CHARACTERS TO MEET AND MOST IMPORTANTLY NEW WAIFUS TO SPEND MY LIFE'S SAVINGS ON.
All this issues topic rising with skin tone i think we should wait a bit more as well i mean there are probably more characters to be revealed and if they haven’t they might now change the designs, hopefully.. i am hoping the same with areas since first teaser came out
Its kinda ironic that the Pyro Archon is the coolest Archon we have seen thus far. Her design looks so badass; the spectacles, the full leather bodysuit, man... she is so pretty. Definitely will be pulling for Mavuika.
I believe that the reason why hoyoverse didn’t make the characters’ skin tones darker, is because they are an Asian company and they mostly care to satisfy their Asian audience, which most of them think it’s more beautiful and cute if someone has lighter skin tone. Please don’t start writing hate comments on my comment, because I am fully against what they are doing, but at the end of the day, hoyoverse already made the designs and (unless someone decides to sue them or something) there is nothing we can do about it.
You mean east asians right? Cause majority of asians, those in the southeast, south, and west asia have darker skin. If they cater as you say to these "asian" people, that's a very small subset and not a good argument for hoyo to not properly represent at least the people of the cultures they're profitting from.
@@ClaireLuceat trust me almost all of Asia considers white to be more beautiful even in India Pakistan etc.(not a good thing at all but it is definitely the beauty standard)
@@zawiyar8790 i know, im southeast asian and people here treat calling people "dark" as a joke. But even so, there is so much movement here as well in terms of opening people to love their natural skin colors. There is so much progress compared to before and im 100% sure that even if natlan represents latin-africa, people here are gonna spend money for sure just by seeing charas who look just like them.
Guys the designs are Amazing the lore problably is very imteresting and the map and the musics either, the colour of the skin is a small part, and its a fantasy game, if the creators want to make the characters more white is not our problem
Honestly all hyv games are pretty colorist, so i wouldn’t say they have a wider variety than genshin Example: hi3, whitewashed a canonical black character, made her mom be the stereotype of black people. She’s the only “dark-skinned” character too. ZZZ: there is a poster for a music album with a stereotypical depiction of a black person. HSR: Arlan is the only darker character in the entire roaster lmao. I looked at his traces names and they’re like “Swift harvest” “Shackle breaker” What the hell? His kit is also not good tbh. The new chara in the teaser they released has the same pattern: white hair “dark skin”, they can’t even design a character Genshin is no better: Xinyan, Dehya, Cyno, Candace and even Sethos all have clunky and bad gameplay at best. Kaeya is honestly the exception, he’s free, his gameplay is simple and useful. And he’s probably gonna be the only one with darker skin to have a good kit. They always make a darker skinned character and make their kit bad. Dehya could’ve been like Tighnari - he’s a standard character but his kit is still good. I was fighting this since sumeru, i’m so done lmao
Natlan isnt some wild barbaric land, many NPCs noted before that it is land of graffitti and hot sprinfs, good vacation and i suppose bikers vibe isnt faraway x) also Brazil is famous for latex so not unusual what pyro archon wears❤ Andas for characters, I am disappointex that we dont gave some tall fair build man character. That enemy guy is actually wonderful material of bara character we want playable. I am sad it will be enemy only design which isnt cool anymore that hoyo does that. They better make Capitano playable now as compensation for lack of good tall male characters or we'll rant🎉
Besides the characters being painfully white, the archon design is such a letdown. There's really nothing besides her pupils and the symbols in her hair that signify any relation to Natlan. She looks like a wannabe rockstar more than anything, and that's not really interesting
@@aquxiya yeah, I do wonder if the flames she's speaking to could be proxy messengers of the real archon, maybe Xbalanque (since that's a name I've seen floating around, and very important in Maya culture).
I wish hoyo wasn't afraid of melanin. (Its genuinely disapointment, i mean the archon is meant to be māori inspired.... her design is insane but hoyo has presented to us a white woman.)
5:39 the fact that the NPC's design caught Ant's attention more than the characters themselves is really saying something about the "out-of-place" Natlan character designs 💀
25:34 Theres literally only one character that have darker skin tone in Honkai Impact, its Carole Pepper. We only have Arlan in HSR. We have Kaeya, Xinyan, & Iansan ( if you don't count tanned skin tone like Dehya, Cyno, Xilonen etc ). What is bro yapping about LoL
I need Venti, Xianyun, Ganyu, Xiao, Mavuika, Xbalanque for my collections 'cause I already have the following that I want: Zhongli - my 1st Archon. Nahida - 1st 5☆ dendro. Raiden - Finally I got her after lost to her from her rerun during Sumeru when I got Qiqi. Nuevillette - my strongest character and 1st solois character. Miko - My 2nd Electro Goddess after getting Raiden my 1st electro Goddess. Qiqi - Immortal since she's Zombie but not part of my collection except c6 but since not yet c6 she's not part of my collections, sorry for Qiqi mains😅😁
Mavuika looks so cool but I think Pyro Archon should have elegant designs especially she's the Goddess of War so for me the outfit doesn't look like warrior but the color of outfit black and red really futs pyro archon but the design I hype it but more like racer than archon but still cool if they made modern design of warrior comparefrom old warrior outfit. But remember the line "are you brave enough to compete?" I'm already excited. I hope the Pvp will have more than 4 characters if they add some new mode😁😁
Fun Fact: The Japanese VA of Kinich (The Dendro Guy) is the one who voiced Sasuke The Japanese VA of Ajaw (The 8-bit Dragon with Kinich) is the one who voiced Naruto Another Fun Fact: The Japanese VA of Mavuika (The Pyro Archon) is married to the Japanese VA of Zhongli (The Geo Archon)
I'm excited I know Twitter is going to go mental tho with blackwashing these new characters and ruining other people's artwork. I hope we get more darker-skinned characters, in that aspect I'm disappointed.
I wish there was a tiny, chibi sized playable male character!!! 😭 Not Xiao. 🤣🤣 Also we need more male archons!! 😭😭 not just Zhongli! Venti doesn’t count (or does it???)
25:30 Liked the video but I dont get you point here tho ? Your saying genshin doesnt have a wider variety of skin tones and has less then their other games but hsr has 1 poc and his skill are named after slavery and zzz has 1 poc and she gets whitewashed alot, genshin atleast tries to add more poc and more frequently
I was more so thinking about Elfy’s design/complexion from ZZZ, but yeah she’s an NPC as well and in terms of playable characters there’s not very many in HYV games in general. Once again though, that’s not really the main point I wanted to make since the discussion isn’t that “HYV needs to add POC to all their games”. It’s that inside Genshin Impact, HYV is taking inspiration from real cultures and countries, but really lacking in representation of the people that belong to them. My point probably wasn’t very clear in the video since that was just my initial reactions, but hope this clarifies a bit!
RIP Iansan, girl has .5 seconds of screentime and got hit by a ball, no lines whatsoever, theyre abt to give her the worst kit imaginable just cuz she's the darkest in the cast
i HOPE capitino is a very EVIL fatui member and not the fatui of change of hearts that suddenly being friendly, kind and assist our dear traveler of their journey🙏
Fr, like don’t get me wrong. I’m all for change and their are some changes I want. But I have to remember it’s simply a game, a game I am not being forced to play.
I don't see a problem with the characters colors. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ They already did sumeru like this. It's just some inspiration from SA for the region nit characters. Before you come at me I'll say I come from India which inspired some of Sumeru and I am a Muslim. I don't mind the character colors. It's just a game snd uts made for Chinese where the revenue is the most. So Hoyo will cater to them rather than the rest of the world
All i gotta day is that people like yo complain about skintones and its those same people who are later posting their gacha pulls for the same exact characters they were bashing ang demanding s recoloring of...ive seen many people close to me and on social media who were high levels mad about the sumeru characters and ranted about them, but as soon as those same characters came out, they were thr first people to pull, so i just see hypocrisy because if youre dedicating yourself to demand more skin variety and still pull for them its like you dont actually care! So yea, thats my stance
Making content and videos about Genshin Impact is my job, so demanding that I stop doing so is essentially telling me to quit my job. While diversity in this game is something I think is important and want to voice my opinions on, I think telling anyone to quit their job and lose their source of income, stability, and livelihood over this is pretty unreasonable. For those who don't create content or depend on this game for a living, I also don't see why they can't still play this game and pull for the characters they want to. At the end of the day we all play this game because we love it, but it's for that reason too that people want to be vocal about their opinions and wish to see improvement. I think there are more ways to contribute towards a cause than by simply boycotting, but that's just my opinion. If your way of expressing your opinion is by doing so then by all means do that, but to turn towards others and demand they do the same is energy wasted in the wrong directions.
@@antventure yea but many CC ATM are calling for a boycott, to not spend a single cent on genshin and on any hoyoverse game because that's the way to show them we want change! And many non CC are also calling for this movement. But how am I suppose to feel when later on when Natlan comes out, the same people calling for a boycott and to stop spending money go ahead and swipe their cards and whale for the same characters they were offended by and that demanded a change of... It makes me think that their stance was based upon hypocrisy and performative activism... I bet my entire life savings that many CC and Non CC will still pull for the Natlan characters once they find out that they're either Meta or have an interesting backstory or whatever may be the case... Never did I say don't play the game because it's essentially just a fun pastime for a lot of us, but when many people of influence within the community and fambase come out saying that this is bad but later make a complete 180 on their stance, what do you think we as fans and viewers think? As a Latina, I'm proud my culture is being shown and I wish they did have more skin variety, but when people dunk and hate but secretly have their fingers crossed, it sucks because it feels performative and simply a way to get more people on your side (and in no way am I claiming you are doing so)
I get where you're coming from, but I think the biggest thing in this case is separating those who are calling for such actions like a boycott versus those who are simply speaking their opinions about the game. A boycott can be a great way to send a message, but if people are specifically saying they will boycott and then turning around and doing the opposite, then that is indeed hypocritical and doesn't reflect well upon their original words and actions. On the flip-side, not everyone has to participate in a boycott and that's perfectly fine. Like I mentioned above, people can state their thoughts and express the desire for a game to improve, but that doesn't mean they're calling for or stating that they will participate in a boycott. Once again I totally understand your point of view and where you're coming from, but my discussion in the video/here in the comments isn't about boycotting the game, it's about understanding the importance of proper cultural/regional representation in a game like Genshin Impact. Hope this clarifies some things!
Not everyone likes to boycott to try to convey a message, Just because you don’t pull doesn’t mean they will change the type of characters they are putting out. If you want the company to change, you need to ask them yourself. And if the company doesn’t change then simply go to another game. At the end of the day Genshin Imoact is simply a game, a game made for entertainment of the people who want to play it. No one is forcing you to play it. Although I am all for change and want to see changes in the game, it is not my game and I don’t need to play.
Been waiting to see what they would do for Natlan since 2.0 but shit, ig I expected too much. Don’t get me wrong I love the music and the characters design except for the skin tone cause????why is my culture being used as inspiration on characters that don’t even have my skin tone.
replied to another comment abt this but here's the copy paste: I was more so thinking about Elfy’s design/complexion from ZZZ, but yeah she’s an NPC as well and in terms of playable characters there’s not very many in HYV games in general. Once again though, that’s not really the main point I wanted to make since the discussion isn’t that “HYV needs to add POC to all their games”. It’s that inside Genshin Impact, HYV is taking inspiration from real cultures and countries, but really lacking in representation of the people that belong to them. My point probably wasn’t very clear in the video since that was just my initial reactions, but hope this clarifies a bit!
@@antventure i think u know why they made the char the way they did. U just don't want to say it. i personally think Genshin had more dark skinned char than other anime games shore they are not completely black but they have the NPC's & multiple Playable Char with dark skin tone. AND there is no way they are going to make all playable natalan char dark skined. At the end of the day it is a FICTIONAL WIFU COLLECTING CN ANIME GATCHA GAME what are u expecting.
BRO i have an idea just put a poll in your comunity asking what skin colour do u prefer (LIGHT/DARK) I dont think we will get clear answer if they bot it but i kind of want to know
You're completely missing the point of my response. Nowhere in the video or any of my responses did I say anything about "making all playable Natlan characters dark skinned" or even about the "total number of dark skinned" characters in Genshin Impact. It's about the fact that this region pulls inspiration from real life cultures, and because of that, I think it's fair that there should be a wider range of diversity in skin tone to properly reflect what the people from the countries/regions/cultures that HYV is taking inspiration from look like. Whether you agree with me on that opinion or not doesn't really matter, but let's not just completely sidestep the response to your initial question and turn it into something completely different. As for your last sentence, here's more of an in-depth response as to why I'd have to disagree with you. (TL;DR you can’t properly pay homage/take inspiration by just picking and choosing certain parts of different cultures, but leaving out the most important aspect being the people) For me, the biggest red flag that arises with this situation is that while this is a fictional game, Genshin impact takes inspiration from different cultures/regions in our real world. To borrow and use all these aspects of several different (real) countries, but leave out/replace the people that belong to them is just not a great message to be sending. I'm sure to many people, it feels as if they're being told that their cultures are beautiful and befitting to be used as source material in the game, but they themselves aren’t worthy of being there. Yes, at the end of the day it's a fictional game and HoYoverse chooses to put whatever they want in Genshin Impact, but to a lot of people it would be nice to see not only the music/architecture/clothing etc… of their cultures and countries being represented, but also they the people themselves in this game. Though it may seem this way on the outside, HoYoverse is definitely not a singular entity and there is no way these choices for the designs were made by a singular person. This was a choice that had to be mutually reached by all parties and teams involved in creating this game, and for that reason I can't imagine that the reason behind it is something that can be so easily explained as "it's a fictional Waifu Collecting CN Gacha Game". I'm 99% sure they're also well aware of community sentiment, so for that reason like I said in the video, I would just love to understand more of the creative direction process behind the scenes at HoYoverse and why it is that they went with this route.
Sometimes we gotta come to terms with everyone not having the same opinions. But some ppl do in fact change their minds once the patch actually comes out. I have friends who called Fontaine mid at first but continued playing genshin only coz of Arlecchino but they changed their opinion on Fontaine after 4.0. If Natlan is actually mid or not, can be truly be judged after it starts releasing so just wait
My overall thoughts summarized from this video! (this is probably gonna be long sorry)
1) Genshin 4.8 looks cool. I don't think it's anything crazy, but I'm always excited for the summer events + new content = win
2) Emilie looks aight. Her design is growing on me a bit, but still not a huge fan and in general I just don't use dendro a lot tbh. Will wait to see how it feels to play her ingame before making any final conclusions tho.
3) Skins are fire. I love the Kirara skins design, too bad I don't use her LOL
4) Natlan shows promise and a lot of characters look dope, but the lack of range in skin tone once again raises questions. Don't get me wrong, I'm honestly super excited for this region and can't wait to learn more about it/the characters (the Capitano reveal was crazy), but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed and confused with the choice of color palette for the overall range of these skin tones. (TL;DR you can’t properly pay homage/take inspiration by just picking and choosing certain parts of different cultures, but leaving out the most important aspect being the people)
It might’ve been hard to follow along in the video since this was just off the top of my head and my initial reaction, but I think the biggest red flag that arises with this situation is that while this is a fictional game, Genshin impact takes inspiration from different cultures/regions in our real world. To borrow and use all these aspects of several different (real) countries, but leave out/replace the people that belong to them is just not a great message to be sending. I'm sure to many people, it feels as if they're being told that their cultures are beautiful and befitting to be used as source material in the game, but they themselves aren’t worthy of being there. Yes, at the end of the day it's a fictional game and HoYoverse chooses to put whatever they want in Genshin Impact, but to a lot of people it would be nice to see not only the music/architecture/clothing etc… of their cultures and countries being represented, but also they the people themselves in this game.
Though it may seem this way on the outside, HoYoverse is definitely not a singular entity and there is no way these choices for the designs were made by a singular person. This was a choice that had to be mutually reached by all parties and teams involved in creating this game, and for that reason I can't imagine that the reason behind it is something that can be so easily explained. I'm sure they're also well aware of community sentiment, so for that reason like I said in the video, I would just love to understand more of the creative direction process behind the scenes at HoYoverse and why it is that they went with this route.
For my thoughts about Natlan as a region and it's gameplay, I like what I see so far but don't have too many thoughts about it until we're shown more about it.
Sorry for the long paragraphs but just wanted to better explain my thoughts from this video after I've had more time to process everything! Overall still excited for the content that's coming up, but just wish there was a bit more representation of the people from the cultures/regions that Natlan is supposedly based on.
@@antventure 100%
Thank you for speaking up Ant. Right after some of the trailers, i saw so much anti-black and colorist sentiments all across the internet, in RUclips comments and on Twitter and Reddit (I even saw someone say, “Good. The less, the better.” in response to someone being sad about the lack of dark skin😭) It was so incredibly discouraging and I’m really glad other CCs & the VAs are speaking out because it disempowers colorists and racists and empowers more people to speak out.
I can’t say I have any faith in Hoyo to actually do anything about it, but there’s a better chance some positive change might occur the more people speak out, compared to nothing changing if no one speaks out.
@@antventure preach
You said this perfectly! Hoyo is definitely not a singular entity they have enough money and resources for their game. thank you ant!!
I agree 100% cause I feel that way, especially being a person from said culture that they are “representing” in the game.
As someone who lives in a country that is being used as inspiration for Natlan, I am grateful to hear you talking about the problem that is occurring with Natlan
so real
There is no fucking problem. It’s a damn game. This bullshit about ‘diversity’, and ‘inclusivity’, and’ ‘representation’, is ask a product of the American system. The rest of the world doesn’t fucking care about it
Problem? Lol
@@Me66990horrible skin color representation.
@@Me66990 they're basically using wh*te ppl to represent black ppl and culture wtfdym by "problem? lol"
wdym 'scaramouche again' 😭 he hasn't appeared for over a year
He appears in my nightmares
@@antventureLMAO WHAT😭
technically he was in one of the vids for arle
@@antventureit must’ve been so traumatic to see him again😢😔
As a 1.0 player, and poc, I really did expect them to kill it with the designs and add more diversity since we have been asking for it for quite a while. They have came a long way since I first started playing. There is no way they havent heard us... the clothes and skins are cool but for Natlan diversity... I am disappointed.
They could've honestly outdone themselves with this but sigh
Yea why are the NPCs (enemies) more culturally accurate than the playable characters🥲 also body type wise npcs have more diversity
well dark skinned characters arent gonna sell
Have you ever raised your voice for black people?? Now you suddenly want black characters??? lol
@@Ashx_19 who are you talking to? You don’t even know if the commenters themselves are black or not do you?
this is the 3rd post.
Ikr ant went all in ☠️
did no one really notice that a skill/burst (maybe) for the pyro archon was revealed when coming at Capitano???😭😭😭😭😭 LIKE GUYS, SHE TRANSFORMED INTO A PHEONIX!?!?!?
THATS WHAT IM SAYING, LIKE, HELLOO??!??
I think we can use her to fly like furina that can walk on water 😊 that would be cool tho
So she stole Diluc’s burst 😂
@@MugWitchShe *is* the burst lol
@@Elijah.04 I mean I get it but it’s still very reminiscent of Diluc. It just makes me giggle. Diluc truly becoming the “we have the pyro archon at home” unit.
I'm South American and honestly? I'm used to being disappointed in people for dismissing our culture when it comes to pop media. They can showcase our lands, our music, our food... But we are too weird to show, I guess. lmao
Really hurts to see a game I love so much constantly downplay their colorism and flat out ignore users' feedback. I know that from now on, I won't spend a penny on it. Esp since dollars are 5x my currency, what on Earth was I thinking?
Holy yap
@@Me66990 lol antony himself literally made a post longer than this about this issue and ur saying shes yapping
Holy, Americans and their racial diversity complex. Pls keep your culture and virtue out of my fantasy Gacha game
Well sorry to hear that, but how could you even expect darker characters from a Chinese game, majorly played in China, a country whose beauty standard is skin that looks like paper. I know it hurts and that’s it’s unfair but If they made all or even just the archon dark skinned they would’ve lost a majority of their players and income
@@TheRealAomineDaiki1 Aa i see you're going around excusing this behavior. So bc people are racist and find dark skin unattractive, we should not put poc at the forefront to protect companies money?? This is how hoyo thinks yes, but why are you going around defending that thought? Have u thought that morally the right thing to do would be for the company to represent and maybe change some misconseptions and stereotypes, instead of being a part of the problem. Ofc hoyo isn't a morally right company, but public opinion and boycotting forces companies to cave in, even if they don't actually care.
ant maining nilou is one piece of lore i learned today 😯😯
Real
damn we really officially not having any dark-skinned archon lol
We were so fucking excited for nothing🙁
I knew that they wouldn’t make a dark skinned archon bc those things don’t sell well in China, and other big portions of their player base like Japan and Korea
@TheRealAomineDaiki1Did u just call dark skinned people or characters "those things"?😬
@@amasenak bro you know that’s not what’s I meant, I meant to type this like this don’t sell. I’m not calling them a thing but combining similar stuff and saying things, sorry if it hurt your feelings that you don’t understand how to use English
@@TheRealAomineDaiki1 I literally did not know what you meant? English is not my native language, and that's how i understood your comment. If u wanna diss my english, atleast don't have gramatical errors while doing so.
Capitano the GOAT.
Approve your praise and glazing, keep going🔥🔥
He is for sure menace, the strongest harbinger, apex of strength, absolutele power, HIM
Just hope his in-game model isn't another Dottore LOL
@@antventurei think he will get the Al Haitham/ Wriothesley model that actually has actual muscle definition on their arms and they r buffer than the noodle arms itto model they used for male characters previously.
And he’s leaked to be unplayable
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 and what leak is this again? So far all the leaks direct him to being playable. Or r u just yapping
2:22 “What in the bootleg Dvalin was that-“
Wise words -Ant 4.8 reaction “livestream”
13:58 anyone noticed that her pupils look like fish!?
I think the region looks nice. Archon is a bit iffy but I'll get used to it. Hoyo really needs to use darker tones though like, Other than Iansan in this trailer, there is pretty much nobody who is dark/even like brown ish. I wouldnt mind if they just darken the skin tone, even a little bit. (also now theres drama with one guy whose based on a god(unsure?) so thats a thing now. Hope they make tweaks before the region comes out.)
people are speculating about xbalanque being a possible archon but i’m not to sure
@@lovelyquxbalanque is a guy. The archon is a female (HER was used by Dain)
I think you're talking about Ororon at the end there, apparently based on a Nigerian god (Olorun)
@@NicolasEnriqueyea this was actually a big yikes for Hoyo. Like idc about the skin tones in genshin but the Olorun thing is just nah bro.
@@lovelyquhe is most prolly the pyro sovereign or the familiar of the original pyro archon coz why would he of all ppl have smth to say about Neuvillette? There has to be smth some connection between them and both being sovereigns made more sense, until i realized he referred to the dragon sovereigns as "they" so at this point idk. But i would love to see how the plot unfolds in the Natlan patches. He is called One Entombed with Primal Fire. Watever his identity is, sounds ominous af.
Natlan music is lit 🔥
The only thing they did right lmfaoo😭😭
Dehya looks more fitting for natlan than the pyro archon lol. She looks cool but like you said, looks out of place. if they used a more "divine" like outfit and dehya's skin tone on her then it would've been perfect imo.
im so, so dissapointed in natlan, i was so excited to at least see other countries being represented in the game ( my country el salvador is not that relevant in games so i had no hope for it to at least be taken as an inspiration ) but when chasca appeared, i got a bit happy, the only thing i didn't like is that her skin is PAPER WHITE and that she's cryo, when in my country, chasca is the virgin of water, it would jave been amazing to see blue colors and a hydro vision on her, maybe not our clothes but our colors.
she's very pretty, i love her, but i just wish they took their time in making her look like she's the virgin of water. TT
I’m so hyped for Natlan !!!
As a poc i alr knew we werent getting any proper representation, but i also know that its down to more than just simply "colourism" or "racism". Business wise, its probably not as profitable to make dark characters as sad as it is. Ive js learned to take it as what it is. The majority dont care about it, the majority dont even like the cultural influence that natlan has. I at LEAST appreciate the work and effort put into music and architecture
I’m so disappointed to be honest.. I think most of us were excited that there would be actual and better indigenous representation but this is what hoyo “cooked” up? Man I hope they change models and correct names. Very excited for Capitino lore !!
😂 that will never happen remember it's hoyoverse which never listens and Chinese government never shows or likes black characters it's rare for dark chatcters getting chance
@@Emperorrishu2001 isnt that even worse? Why are we excusing it
@@Coldvibecause they don't care and there is nothing u can do bout it
@@rome2040 so we are excusing it? Okay got it
don't think they would correct anything, sumeru was similar and they did nothing, and at the end of the day, people will just enjoy everything "besides" the problems
I just want genshin to have a wider diversity of characters, and I know damn well that isn’t happening next nation cuz we’re going to the most snowy area 💀
Hopefully they redesign some of the characters
I hope they listen to our feedback & change them
right, there's absolutely no hope for snezhnaya, it's getting tiring atp
Imagine they have the darker tones in the next region 😭😭😭
Natlan has paper white people and it’s the PYRO region, where’s the tan?
If shneznya (CRYO region) has darker tones, I’m gonna be flabbergasted😭😭😭😭
If they made archon have a blue flame it would have been nice …
nah i wish the pyro sovereign would wield blue flame it's more fitting
if Sunset Shimmer was a Genshin character she'd be Mavuika
I literally just opened youtube T-T wasnt expecting to be this early
The only reason is its for business, ig. Hoyo definitely has a capable research team. And what they produce is definitely the result of the research they conducted. Many players say that they want characters with darker skin tones, but maybe the results of their research say that characters with light skin tones are more desirable, so
Many players ≠ majority. 60% of their revenue come China, Japan and Korea in which lite skin are generally preferable.
It's crazy though because they don't even give them a chance to be on the same level as some other characters(dehya etc)
yeah if they wanna keep they’re lightskin agenda they are perfectly within their rights to- so long as they don’t use real world cultural inspiration that belongs to people of mixed skin tones and races to profit. it is egregious for genshin to warp the gospel and culture of real gods and indigenous people into an aesthetic they deem profitable in the same way it would be holy inappropriate to take jesus christ and implement have as a 8 ft tall nonchalant dreadhead in a game. the difference is one would never be tolerated while the other is seen as “lesser than” by hoyo so they think they can get away with shit like this.
@@NaganoharaYoimiya-bs7hb I agree. So this shows that most players prefer characters with lite skin. Btw, I'm not hoyo so this is just my opinion
@@usernotfound.......1918 Actually, I just want to try to answer Antoni's question (and several other players) who asked why Hoyo designs more characters with light skin. From a simple business pov
its here ! wow so many years and wow
time flies so fasttt im still stuck in time thinking that we just got fontaine 😭
I think the fitou will have to win the tournament to get the gnosis
I love the Natlan characters, they look so cool aaa
I cant wait for natlan omg 😭
I’m honestly really disappointed and I won’t be pulling on any Natlan banners except for Iansan, and even then I’ll be pulling on whatever non-Natlan banner has her on it. We’ve been so conditioned to crave even the slightest hint of melanin that we’re willing to ignore how whitewashed the characters really are-especially the one based on Olorun, the Yoruba deity! Like wow, that was the nail in the coffin for me. Just look up Olorun + Yoruba and you’ll see what I mean. I used to get Welkin and BP here and there, but no more. Dark & brown people shouldn’t be erased from their own damn cultures.
Who asked lil bro 😭 🫵
same, I only like Mualani in the line up, then definitely going for capitano! thank god i have alot of primos saved up, i wont be wasting a dime on this game !
Cant waitto!
Now imagine playing Capitano in a team of little kids😭
And he using a catalyst and opening chests and collecting mints in monstad!
Is anyone excited for natlan their new pryo archon .Which character are you going to pull for 🥰🥰
Mavuika gets me hard.
Pyro archon, Capitano and that guy behind him 😘
i cant wait to fight capitano
I'm going to try for all of them except Ororon and Chasca
I'm defo gonna try to get Xilonen, God knows I need me a cute jaguar gyaru mommy
Natlan is a Xiao 2.0, Yaoyao 2.0, and basically furina 2.0
Actually, I love mavuika (pyro archon) when her phoenix form (?) showed up
NATLAN IS HERE! WHICH MEANS NEW MAP, NEW CHESTS, NEW AREAS TO EXPLORE, MORE CHARACTERS TO MEET AND MOST IMPORTANTLY NEW WAIFUS TO SPEND MY LIFE'S SAVINGS ON.
Don't do it
And new quest?
his one hair that keeps blowing up and down is making me mad😭
14:41 HOYO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GET THAT GEO VISION OFF HER 😭😭
All this issues topic rising with skin tone i think we should wait a bit more as well i mean there are probably more characters to be revealed and if they haven’t they might now change the designs, hopefully.. i am hoping the same with areas since first teaser came out
I'm thinking the tournament is like hunger games. Xilonen is so pretty
I built kirara cuz of her skin as a DPS 😃 bloom kirara
Its kinda ironic that the Pyro Archon is the coolest Archon we have seen thus far. Her design looks so badass; the spectacles, the full leather bodysuit, man... she is so pretty. Definitely will be pulling for Mavuika.
The diversity...
there is none
Oh my god, shut up. Enough of that stupid drama
@@gh05ti33drama??
@@Thehipintrovert yea, people complaining again.
@@gh05ti33you finna get called racist for that
Not another twitter yapper
She looks like Mereoleona from black clover
Was waiting for ur reaction video❤❤
I believe that the reason why hoyoverse didn’t make the characters’ skin tones darker, is because they are an Asian company and they mostly care to satisfy their Asian audience, which most of them think it’s more beautiful and cute if someone has lighter skin tone. Please don’t start writing hate comments on my comment, because I am fully against what they are doing, but at the end of the day, hoyoverse already made the designs and (unless someone decides to sue them or something) there is nothing we can do about it.
You mean east asians right? Cause majority of asians, those in the southeast, south, and west asia have darker skin. If they cater as you say to these "asian" people, that's a very small subset and not a good argument for hoyo to not properly represent at least the people of the cultures they're profitting from.
@@ClaireLuceat trust me almost all of Asia considers white to be more beautiful even in India Pakistan etc.(not a good thing at all but it is definitely the beauty standard)
@@zawiyar8790 i know, im southeast asian and people here treat calling people "dark" as a joke. But even so, there is so much movement here as well in terms of opening people to love their natural skin colors. There is so much progress compared to before and im 100% sure that even if natlan represents latin-africa, people here are gonna spend money for sure just by seeing charas who look just like them.
This is what I have been saying
:D
I’m saving for Capitano :)
Capitano shows up, lets out a Brother Hanu quote, and walks away... I love him
Guys the designs are Amazing the lore problably is very imteresting and the map and the musics either, the colour of the skin is a small part, and its a fantasy game, if the creators want to make the characters more white is not our problem
Honestly all hyv games are pretty colorist, so i wouldn’t say they have a wider variety than genshin
Example: hi3, whitewashed a canonical black character, made her mom be the stereotype of black people. She’s the only “dark-skinned” character too.
ZZZ: there is a poster for a music album with a stereotypical depiction of a black person.
HSR: Arlan is the only darker character in the entire roaster lmao. I looked at his traces names and they’re like “Swift harvest” “Shackle breaker” What the hell?
His kit is also not good tbh. The new chara in the teaser they released has the same pattern: white hair “dark skin”, they can’t even design a character
Genshin is no better: Xinyan, Dehya, Cyno, Candace and even Sethos all have clunky and bad gameplay at best. Kaeya is honestly the exception, he’s free, his gameplay is simple and useful. And he’s probably gonna be the only one with darker skin to have a good kit.
They always make a darker skinned character and make their kit bad. Dehya could’ve been like Tighnari - he’s a standard character but his kit is still good.
I was fighting this since sumeru, i’m so done lmao
the new event looks like a fkin' disney ahh event.
Tbh judging from how albedo shows up, and him and scaar interacted, theres something going on
Natlan isnt some wild barbaric land, many NPCs noted before that it is land of graffitti and hot sprinfs, good vacation and i suppose bikers vibe isnt faraway x) also Brazil is famous for latex so not unusual what pyro archon wears❤
Andas for characters, I am disappointex that we dont gave some tall fair build man character. That enemy guy is actually wonderful material of bara character we want playable. I am sad it will be enemy only design which isnt cool anymore that hoyo does that. They better make Capitano playable now as compensation for lack of good tall male characters or we'll rant🎉
Besides the characters being painfully white, the archon design is such a letdown. There's really nothing besides her pupils and the symbols in her hair that signify any relation to Natlan. She looks like a wannabe rockstar more than anything, and that's not really interesting
AGREE!! also I’m not sure if she’s really the archon because there wasn’t really any confirmation in the trailer
So you have a problem with the characters being white? That's racist isn't it?
@@aquxiya yeah, I do wonder if the flames she's speaking to could be proxy messengers of the real archon, maybe Xbalanque (since that's a name I've seen floating around, and very important in Maya culture).
This has to be the most disappointing region next to sumeru 😭😭
@@Coldvi ok? And no one asked for your opinion
I wish hoyo wasn't afraid of melanin. (Its genuinely disapointment, i mean the archon is meant to be māori inspired.... her design is insane but hoyo has presented to us a white woman.)
guys should i pull for navia and then save for yelan or just save for yelan instead? (i have 50 pulls)
@@lingyangsupremancy if you can save for yelan, then sure pull her but if you can't, then just pull yelan
@@lighty2884 okay
navia is the best u will not regret it go all in for her
yelan is temporary, navia is eternal :3 ( TRUST ME, self proclaimed nr1 navia defender)
@@O-R-I-G-I-N uhm okay i need shields anyways (the elemental reaction)
Navia if you want a strong fun main dps
Yelan if you want a flexible strong subdps
5:39 the fact that the NPC's design caught Ant's attention more than the characters themselves is really saying something about the "out-of-place" Natlan character designs 💀
25:34 Theres literally only one character that have darker skin tone in Honkai Impact, its Carole Pepper. We only have Arlan in HSR. We have Kaeya, Xinyan, & Iansan ( if you don't count tanned skin tone like Dehya, Cyno, Xilonen etc ). What is bro yapping about LoL
Isn’t there also an upcoming character with darker skin in hsr?
@@yesplatinum7956 yes Sugilite from IPC, dont know when he goona appear ingame
@@yesplatinum7956Sugilite. He took all the melanin from Natlan 😂😂😂 Hoyo keeping the record of “taking genshin suggestions and putting them in HSR”
I need Venti, Xianyun, Ganyu, Xiao, Mavuika, Xbalanque for my collections 'cause I already have the following that I want:
Zhongli - my 1st Archon.
Nahida - 1st 5☆ dendro.
Raiden - Finally I got her after lost to her from her rerun during Sumeru when I got Qiqi.
Nuevillette - my strongest character and 1st solois character.
Miko - My 2nd Electro Goddess after getting Raiden my 1st electro Goddess.
Qiqi - Immortal since she's Zombie but not part of my collection except c6 but since not yet c6 she's not part of my collections, sorry for Qiqi mains😅😁
We got Himeko, March and Dan Heng in Genshin now, where’s Welt at
21 ; 41 i just noticed the mark on capitano shoulder its similar to the phys set ( sands piece )
We are getting Natlan soon and Ant not black yet. 😢
Not everything is Black, you don't see brown skin people much in Sumeru
the whole community things the skintones are off, ppl who still think it’s not a big deal are such glazers
Who gonna be the power car
These are only 9 of 17 omg they look fireeeee
I'm excited about natlan
Ant not subscribing to Genshin channel kinda got me 😭
Where has bro been💀
finally someone else who thinks citlali gives fu xuan vibes
Heyiii from which app do you edit your videos !??
Am i the only one who sees that the pyro archon looks like female diluc
i can already see the memes of people getting diluc instead of mavuika when she releases lol
Honestly, she has more of a Jean Grey vibe to me.
@@zeedelahostria yeah I can see that but the hair and the moment she turned into a phoenix are so diluc
Her Japanese VA is married to the Japanese VA of Zhongli
WHY ARE YOU POSTING AT 7😭
Yoo early
3:55 kequing 😔
One looks like Verina from Wuthering waves
Mavuika looks so cool but I think Pyro Archon should have elegant designs especially she's the Goddess of War so for me the outfit doesn't look like warrior but the color of outfit black and red really futs pyro archon but the design I hype it but more like racer than archon but still cool if they made modern design of warrior comparefrom old warrior outfit. But remember the line "are you brave enough to compete?" I'm already excited. I hope the Pvp will have more than 4 characters if they add some new mode😁😁
CLOSE ENOUGH WELCOME BACK NARUTO AND SASUKE
Fun Fact: The Japanese VA of Kinich (The Dendro Guy) is the one who voiced Sasuke
The Japanese VA of Ajaw (The 8-bit Dragon with Kinich) is the one who voiced Naruto
Another Fun Fact: The Japanese VA of Mavuika (The Pyro Archon) is married to the Japanese VA of Zhongli (The Geo Archon)
yo its the valorant guy
I'm excited I know Twitter is going to go mental tho with blackwashing these new characters and ruining other people's artwork. I hope we get more darker-skinned characters, in that aspect I'm disappointed.
Is she the new archon?❤
I wish there was a tiny, chibi sized playable male character!!! 😭
Not Xiao. 🤣🤣
Also we need more male archons!! 😭😭 not just Zhongli! Venti doesn’t count (or does it???)
Hi today is my birthday so does Someone have a vp code👀😅btw i have no skins
25:30
Liked the video but I dont get you point here tho ? Your saying genshin doesnt have a wider variety of skin tones and has less then their other games but hsr has 1 poc and his skill are named after slavery and zzz has 1 poc and she gets whitewashed alot, genshin atleast tries to add more poc and more frequently
I was more so thinking about Elfy’s design/complexion from ZZZ, but yeah she’s an NPC as well and in terms of playable characters there’s not very many in HYV games in general.
Once again though, that’s not really the main point I wanted to make since the discussion isn’t that “HYV needs to add POC to all their games”. It’s that inside Genshin Impact, HYV is taking inspiration from real cultures and countries, but really lacking in representation of the people that belong to them.
My point probably wasn’t very clear in the video since that was just my initial reactions, but hope this clarifies a bit!
RIP Iansan, girl has .5 seconds of screentime and got hit by a ball, no lines whatsoever, theyre abt to give her the worst kit imaginable just cuz she's the darkest in the cast
Sorry but Kirara deserves c6 and full lvling building❤ her shield is amongst best in game and more durable than Leyla's.
i HOPE capitino is a very EVIL fatui member and not the fatui of change of hearts that suddenly being friendly, kind and assist our dear traveler of their journey🙏
People remeber its just a game!
Well, tell the devs to stop taking other people's culture to present them in a "game" only to not represent the culture right.
@@raipjait's not culture it's the skin tone
They do fabulous job representing culture
And we don't talk about dori, she's the onlt exception
@Sam-je2xj well yeah they do, but they suck at being diverse.
@@raipja Yeah true
Fr, like don’t get me wrong. I’m all for change and their are some changes I want. But I have to remember it’s simply a game, a game I am not being forced to play.
I don't see a problem with the characters colors. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
They already did sumeru like this.
It's just some inspiration from SA for the region nit characters.
Before you come at me I'll say I come from India which inspired some of Sumeru and I am a Muslim. I don't mind the character colors.
It's just a game snd uts made for Chinese where the revenue is the most. So Hoyo will cater to them rather than the rest of the world
so skibidi
Oh kirara will be free?
yup
All i gotta day is that people like yo complain about skintones and its those same people who are later posting their gacha pulls for the same exact characters they were bashing ang demanding s recoloring of...ive seen many people close to me and on social media who were high levels mad about the sumeru characters and ranted about them, but as soon as those same characters came out, they were thr first people to pull, so i just see hypocrisy because if youre dedicating yourself to demand more skin variety and still pull for them its like you dont actually care! So yea, thats my stance
Making content and videos about Genshin Impact is my job, so demanding that I stop doing so is essentially telling me to quit my job. While diversity in this game is something I think is important and want to voice my opinions on, I think telling anyone to quit their job and lose their source of income, stability, and livelihood over this is pretty unreasonable.
For those who don't create content or depend on this game for a living, I also don't see why they can't still play this game and pull for the characters they want to. At the end of the day we all play this game because we love it, but it's for that reason too that people want to be vocal about their opinions and wish to see improvement.
I think there are more ways to contribute towards a cause than by simply boycotting, but that's just my opinion. If your way of expressing your opinion is by doing so then by all means do that, but to turn towards others and demand they do the same is energy wasted in the wrong directions.
@@antventure yea but many CC ATM are calling for a boycott, to not spend a single cent on genshin and on any hoyoverse game because that's the way to show them we want change! And many non CC are also calling for this movement.
But how am I suppose to feel when later on when Natlan comes out, the same people calling for a boycott and to stop spending money go ahead and swipe their cards and whale for the same characters they were offended by and that demanded a change of... It makes me think that their stance was based upon hypocrisy and performative activism...
I bet my entire life savings that many CC and Non CC will still pull for the Natlan characters once they find out that they're either Meta or have an interesting backstory or whatever may be the case...
Never did I say don't play the game because it's essentially just a fun pastime for a lot of us, but when many people of influence within the community and fambase come out saying that this is bad but later make a complete 180 on their stance, what do you think we as fans and viewers think? As a Latina, I'm proud my culture is being shown and I wish they did have more skin variety, but when people dunk and hate but secretly have their fingers crossed, it sucks because it feels performative and simply a way to get more people on your side (and in no way am I claiming you are doing so)
I get where you're coming from, but I think the biggest thing in this case is separating those who are calling for such actions like a boycott versus those who are simply speaking their opinions about the game.
A boycott can be a great way to send a message, but if people are specifically saying they will boycott and then turning around and doing the opposite, then that is indeed hypocritical and doesn't reflect well upon their original words and actions.
On the flip-side, not everyone has to participate in a boycott and that's perfectly fine. Like I mentioned above, people can state their thoughts and express the desire for a game to improve, but that doesn't mean they're calling for or stating that they will participate in a boycott.
Once again I totally understand your point of view and where you're coming from, but my discussion in the video/here in the comments isn't about boycotting the game, it's about understanding the importance of proper cultural/regional representation in a game like Genshin Impact. Hope this clarifies some things!
Not everyone likes to boycott to try to convey a message, Just because you don’t pull doesn’t mean they will change the type of characters they are putting out. If you want the company to change, you need to ask them yourself. And if the company doesn’t change then simply go to another game. At the end of the day Genshin Imoact is simply a game, a game made for entertainment of the people who want to play it. No one is forcing you to play it. Although I am all for change and want to see changes in the game, it is not my game and I don’t need to play.
Tbh hoyo flopped with this one
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Been waiting to see what they would do for Natlan since 2.0 but shit, ig I expected too much. Don’t get me wrong I love the music and the characters design except for the skin tone cause????why is my culture being used as inspiration on characters that don’t even have my skin tone.
i am not trying to be rude but what other hoyovers games have darkskin char ?
HSR 0
ZZZ 0
HI3 0 (i think)
What else?
replied to another comment abt this but here's the copy paste:
I was more so thinking about Elfy’s design/complexion from ZZZ, but yeah she’s an NPC as well and in terms of playable characters there’s not very many in HYV games in general.
Once again though, that’s not really the main point I wanted to make since the discussion isn’t that “HYV needs to add POC to all their games”. It’s that inside Genshin Impact, HYV is taking inspiration from real cultures and countries, but really lacking in representation of the people that belong to them.
My point probably wasn’t very clear in the video since that was just my initial reactions, but hope this clarifies a bit!
@@antventure i think u know why they made the char the way they did. U just don't want to say it. i personally think Genshin had more dark skinned char than other anime games shore they are not completely black but they have the NPC's & multiple Playable Char with dark skin tone. AND there is no way they are going to make all playable natalan char dark skined. At the end of the day it is a FICTIONAL WIFU COLLECTING CN ANIME GATCHA GAME what are u expecting.
BRO i have an idea just put a poll in your comunity asking what skin colour do u prefer (LIGHT/DARK) I dont think we will get clear answer if they bot it but i kind of want to know
You're completely missing the point of my response. Nowhere in the video or any of my responses did I say anything about "making all playable Natlan characters dark skinned" or even about the "total number of dark skinned" characters in Genshin Impact. It's about the fact that this region pulls inspiration from real life cultures, and because of that, I think it's fair that there should be a wider range of diversity in skin tone to properly reflect what the people from the countries/regions/cultures that HYV is taking inspiration from look like.
Whether you agree with me on that opinion or not doesn't really matter, but let's not just completely sidestep the response to your initial question and turn it into something completely different.
As for your last sentence, here's more of an in-depth response as to why I'd have to disagree with you. (TL;DR you can’t properly pay homage/take inspiration by just picking and choosing certain parts of different cultures, but leaving out the most important aspect being the people)
For me, the biggest red flag that arises with this situation is that while this is a fictional game, Genshin impact takes inspiration from different cultures/regions in our real world. To borrow and use all these aspects of several different (real) countries, but leave out/replace the people that belong to them is just not a great message to be sending. I'm sure to many people, it feels as if they're being told that their cultures are beautiful and befitting to be used as source material in the game, but they themselves aren’t worthy of being there. Yes, at the end of the day it's a fictional game and HoYoverse chooses to put whatever they want in Genshin Impact, but to a lot of people it would be nice to see not only the music/architecture/clothing etc… of their cultures and countries being represented, but also they the people themselves in this game.
Though it may seem this way on the outside, HoYoverse is definitely not a singular entity and there is no way these choices for the designs were made by a singular person. This was a choice that had to be mutually reached by all parties and teams involved in creating this game, and for that reason I can't imagine that the reason behind it is something that can be so easily explained as "it's a fictional Waifu Collecting CN Gacha Game". I'm 99% sure they're also well aware of community sentiment, so for that reason like I said in the video, I would just love to understand more of the creative direction process behind the scenes at HoYoverse and why it is that they went with this route.
I Feel there is nothing special things for natalan... And 4.8........
Antony why aren't you more exited for Natlan??
because it just seems mid
Sometimes we gotta come to terms with everyone not having the same opinions. But some ppl do in fact change their minds once the patch actually comes out. I have friends who called Fontaine mid at first but continued playing genshin only coz of Arlecchino but they changed their opinion on Fontaine after 4.0. If Natlan is actually mid or not, can be truly be judged after it starts releasing so just wait
They don't really mention anything about the archon quest which is what most people are waiting for
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