Can I Lose My Salvation by Denouncing Christ?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast, answers a question from a caller who asks, "Romans 8:39 says nothing can separate us from the love of God, yet Hebrew 6 warns of falling away through apostasy. Can a Christian walk away from his salvation and be lost?"
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I once denounced my faith.
Told God I was done.
Over a period of 2 years.. he hunted me and pulled me back to him.
I'm so grateful for his grace, persistence and love.
Praise be to God
2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV):
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
When we become a part of the body of Christ we can't unbecome a part of the body of Christ.
Hey I love Jesus very much he is my only treasure he is always on my mind but recently I said I don't need Jesus out of OCD kind of pressure so I'm in great panic & depression can somebody help me cos I don't want to lose my Salvation
@@techstuff. says: *Hey I love Jesus very much he is my only treasure he is always on my mind but recently I said I don't need Jesus out of OCD kind of pressure so I'm in great panic & depression can somebody help me cos I don't want to lose my Salvation.*
Consider the following to ease your mind and bring you peace...
Jesus died for all your sins past, present, and future and God knows every single sin that you're ever going to commit prior to you even doing them, so how can you lose your salvation if you are truly saved due to sin?
Answer: You can't.
@@danielblair4413 Thanks for your reply
God restored you. Had you died without coming back , you would have lost your salvation .
I like your answer. You know I used to struggle with if I was an actual apostate or not. I grew up in a Presbyterian church, but didn't truly believe despite the fact that I participated in prayer and Bible study. I actually hated Christians, because I got abused by some. At age 16-18, I said I didn't wanna be a Christian anymore and left the church. I was REALLY opposed to religion PERIOD, and talked badly about Jesus,, the Bible,, and Christians. In 2015(at age 25), I had an experience where I 100% believed in Jesus as the son of God (God in the flesh)and realized he was coming back. Not long after that, I did accept Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, I asked forgiveness for all of my sins several times, started going to church, praying, reading the Bible, and got baptized. Needless to say, I also felt terrible about what I said, did, and thought prior to 2015. I also struggled with the passages about the Unforgivable sin and Hebrews 6. I sometimes struggle with if I am really saved or not. Other times I just know that I didn't get to the point of no return(or the events in 2015 and after would never have happened). Not to mention, the Holy Spirit has worked in my life(realizing Jesus is real, renouncing Satan and non-Christian religions, turning away from sinful lifestyle, asking for forgiveness of sins, etc). I have repented from my prior-to-2015 lifestyle of sin and unbelief. Some people tell me that Satan likes to remind us of our past mistakes and make it sound like we are beyond redemption. But I have no desire to renounce God/Trinity now. I don't have the same mindset now I did prior to 2015. And I do want forgiveness and redemption.
God warned of those who would give a false assurance of "peace and safety" to those believers indulging in sin, instead of warning them to earnestly repent and turn back to God.
This is the most sense I have ever heard in Christianity!
If OSAS is true and one can never lose their salvation once they are saved/born again, then the apostles and the millions of people over the centuries did not know it. They all died terrible deaths for Christ for no reason.
They could have just renounced Jesus when they were threatened, saved their lives in the moment of distress, gone away to safety, and then continued their beliefs and their ministries later. Jesus could have prevented a lot of needless deaths by just telling people to deny Him when threatened and then go back to worshipping Him when it was safe again to do so.
If one could never lose their salvation once saved, then one could deny being a Christian when their life, job, or anything else was threatened. So if OSAS is true then millions of Christians suffered and died terrible deaths for their faith and they did not need to.
The unforgivable sin: “Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” (Mark 3:29). That is final impenitence or at the moment of death, the determination that God is incapable of saving me.
Self-hatred is mankind's number one problem; that along with self-condemnation. It's simply not enough to be obedient. It all boils down to leading the Life of Loving Obedience. One just LOVES being obedient. Furthermore, the disciple of the Holy Spirit does not go on strike.
Sounds like you may have overlooked mankind's problem of ... pride.
Exam yourself to see if your in the faith. No one comes unless drawn. (To the Mount of faith alone) If you knock the door will be open. The ones who weep bitterly because they trusted in self. Wanted forgiveness based off their own goodness. Harden not your heart while you can hear his voice. Blasphemy of the Holy Sprit is the refusal to ever trust in Christ. If you want Christ forgiveness it's there. He only stops calling when you don't want it. So do you want the free gift. Just believe in Christ you have it.
If OSAS is true and one can never lose their salvation once they are saved/born again, then the apostles and the millions of people over the centuries did not know it. They all died terrible deaths for Christ for no reason.
They could have just renounced Jesus when they were threatened, saved their lives in the moment of distress, gone away to safety, and then continued their beliefs and their ministries later. Jesus could have prevented a lot of needless deaths by just telling people to deny Him when threatened and then go back to worshipping Him when it was safe again to do so.
If one could never lose their salvation once saved, then one could deny being a Christian when their life, job, or anything else was threatened. So if OSAS is true then millions of Christians suffered and died terrible deaths for their faith and they did not need to.
I have NEVER believed in OSAS doctrine for this reason
@iw06-k2l This is just 1 reason that OSAS is a lie. Glad you didn't fall for the false doctrine.
@@timothyseals3791 Yeah mo I NEVER believed once saved always saved but I did once believe in an idea of it or like it
The multitude of warnings in scripture of apostasy, and falling away from the faith are not just filler material to fluff up the bible, or keep believers on their toes. They address a real and present danger to believers, and are a stark contrast to the OSAS doctrine that says these warnings of apostasy are lies, that you can't fall away. I don't believe the OSAS doctrine, I believe the bible, which do you believe?
Amen.
What's funny is how people can't make the clear distinction between "losing" your salvation or "having it taken away from you" as opposed to turning your back on God or giving up your salvation. Some think that because it's a free gift, that means you can't give it away, again, no merit to that line of thinking.
Let's face it, almost none of us know what we are REALLY getting into when we surrender our life to Christ. I joke that it's the biggest lie we ever tell, "Lord, I give you my life". Granted it's a little cynical, but the point being that just because we say those words doesn't mean it's set in stone, and we are forever surrendered, our choice or free will is taken away. Every day, that statement is challenged, will we respond like Christ or will we respond in our flesh?
Now the point is not to say that each time we respond selfishly, that means we aren't saved, I am just pointing out, that even though we give our lives to Christ and surrender to His lordship, He doesn't FORCE us to honor that pledge, each and every day in every situation.
Well, the same thing with salvation, God does not take away our ability to revoke that surrender or desire to let Christ live in our hearts or to force us to be with Him for all eternity.
The parable of the seeds plainly teaches many receive the word with joy, even sprout up and grow, but the cares of the world, persecution, the lusts of the flesh cause them to wither and die.
Jesus warns in Revelation that IF they set things right, he won't remove their name from the book of life. So, obviously it's possible to be a real Christian, have your name written in the book of life and then have it removed.
Jesus also said that if we deny Him before men, He will deny us before the Father.
For those that think all those that turned away, were never REALLY Christians to begin with. Well, THAT doesn't help your cause in trying to take away all fear that you COULD fall away, because all of these supposed fake Christians THOUGHT they were saved, their friends and family did too. It wasn't until temptation, persecution or hard times hit that they fell away. So, IF that's the theory you want to hold on to, fine, but just realize that means YOU can't know if you're a REAL Christian until the very end, for how do you know if life circumstances won't come along to reveal you were never REALLY saved?
I don't know about you, but if things in my life go REALLY south, I would much rather believe that I AM saved and that NOTHING, not even these hard times can separate me from my salvation, as long as I don't choose to get bitter and renounce my faith; than to have to wonder IF I am really saved and maybe this trial will reveal I never really was.
Judas never trusted in Christ. He refused the free gift. He went to the wrong Mount. Sanction is a work of Holy Sprit. A work in progress. You can't be born again if you never trusted. Judas never had the Holy Sprit to change his heart. God doesn't accept you based on your love for him. He accepts you because you accept his sacrifice. It's and imputed righteousness. Christian's disconnect from the vine when they place faith in self. Stay connected to Christ and he produces the love and saved you unto good works.
Where your heart is, is where your treasure is. How many Christian's tithe? Many trust Christ and forget it's free and start working again for something you can't loose. Never parish is forever. God wants us to live holy so crucify your flesh and let the holy Spirit help you out
JESUS. Loved Judus because he knew what he had to do and what would happen to him afterwards. He also Loved Peter and knew that he would deny him also. AMEN.
all sins are paid for by the blood ... even sins of rebellion.
you can't loose salvation by any means, since all your sins are paid for.
you can't demerit what you didn't merit in the first place.
You can lose your salvation if you reject Jesus. God gives you grace but you can walk away from it
@@egbewattarrahnaomi332
*"You can lose your salvation if you reject Jesus. God gives you grace but you can walk away from it"*
Nope, your sins of rebellion/unbelief too are paid by the blood of Christ.
You are not saved because you are strong enough to not get led astray ... that's work-based salvation.
Loss of salvation is not biblical (if you read the context of passages people try to twist, you'll see it's not talking about saved people, or not talking about salvation).
_"Losing salvation if you reject Jesus"_ is found nowhere in the bible.
However, the blood of Christ cleanses *ALL* your sins : that's biblical.
Don't fall for weird hidden work-based salvation :
- *you are not saved thanks to what you do for God. but you are saved thanks to what God did for you.*
it has nothing to do with your performances, so the weak can catch the hand of the firefighter.
salvation is a rescue mission, not a test for university.
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Roman's 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world.
*Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation?* Here is Jesus' answer:
"But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Luke 12:45,46)
"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:" (2 Timothy 2:12)
brutally out of context and a false interpretation. Jesus Christ said plainly, "whoever comes to me, I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37 . The Lord said in John 5:24, "very truly I tell you, whoever hears my words and believes him who sent me, has eternal life and SHALL NOT BE JUDGED but has crossed over from life to death." Jesus would be a liar if He refused eternal life (which doesn't even make sense since its ETERNAL life, given at the moment of trust in Jesus) to anyone who believed.
@@mosthighdesign5073 Brutally out of touch with so many clear warnings to abide in Him, to "give diligence to make your calling and election sure," to not "fall away" and to not "fail of the grace of God." a few examples:
⚫ John 15 verse 6:
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
It's amazing to me that anyone could conclude you're still "saved" after being "cast off as a branch" and "withered" and "cast into the fire" and "burned." Simply amazing. Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch."
⚫ Hebrews 4:1: "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."
⚫ 1 Corinthians 9:24-27: The apostle Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated he could become a "castaway." Here's verse 27:
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
⚫ Romans 11:19-22: The apostle Paul warned that Gentiles, even after being "graffed" into the "vine," could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" - the Israelites - had been broken off:
"Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
⚫ 2 Peter 2:20-22 If, after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."
⚫ Hebrews 10:26,27 delivers the same warning about returning to sin:
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
⚫ Hebrews 6:4-6 It IS possible to fall away, even after receiving the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away:
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
⚫ Hebrews 12:14,15 We can "fail of the grace of God":
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;"
⚫ Revelation 3:5 and 22:19 Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life:
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
⚫ 2 Peter 1:10,11 "Salvation" is not unconditional, here's another example of "if" with conditions:
"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
⚫ Heb 3:12-14 Another "if" with conditions:
"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"
⚫ Col 1:21-23 Another "if" with conditions:
"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"
⚫ Romans 8:13 Another "if":
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
In this mortal life we may be in justification to God. While in justification we have "the hope of salvation"; we have the "promise" of eternal life; we "shall be saved" when we actually receive eternal life at Jesus' return. Justification and salvation are two different things, at different times.
"But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the *hope of salvation.*
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but *to obtain* salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9).
"But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we *shall be* saved, even as they." (Acts 15: 11; Peter, speaking to apostles and elders about future salvation for both themselves and Gentiles. Did Peter say they had been saved?)
"And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25).
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (Paul, in Romans 5:9)
We have free will, and can fall away from justification, no longer on the narrow way that leads to eternal life. The verses I quoted with ⚫ bear witness to that. If we never come to Jesus, or if we depart from Him - no longer abiding in Him - we will be cast out. (John 15:6).
@@TheBibleSays do you understand when you say "do not fail the grace of God," how ironic that is? Do you understand that you were and are a low down dirty sinner with nothing but filthy rags to offer God? Do you understand that He is not served by human hands as if He needed anything? But instead gives to man life and breath and everything?
You need grace because you ALREADY FAILED. And you fail every day. Do not be arrogant as if you can add anything to Jesus' atonement! He has done it all. It is finished. All there is left is to simply trust in His atonement. You contribute nothing but the sin that made your salvation necessary.
@@mosthighdesign5073 The part about "failing of the grace of God" comes from your Bible, and is not ironic:
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;" (Hebrews 12:14,15)
It seems you have been misled about what Jesus finished on the cross. Easy grace assumes Jesus paid for, and blotted out, our sins "past, present and future" when He died on the cross. So, the thinking continues, sin is no longer a salvation issue. Repentance (turning from sin) is nice but no longer necessary. All you have to do now is just trust that's true, and you're "saved," instantly. And you'll always stay "saved" because - after all - all your sins "past present and future" have already been paid for.
Jesus died for our sins, just as stated in 1 Cor 15:3. He made His death available to cover the death penalty we've each earned as the "wages" of our own sin. We can have that coverage - that *redemption* - by grace, if we'll come to Him on His terms, forsaking sin that earns the death penalty.
Who gets God's mercy?
"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
Who gets their sins blotted out?
"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV).
*Guess what: your sins were not blotted out on the cross. Your sins remain until you come to repentance.*
In fact, you'll surely pay for your own sins if you don't come to repentance. You'll receive no mercy, no grace and no redemption, and will perish in death, paying your own death penalty. That's why Jesus warned, "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:5).
Jesus did not tell His disciples to preach "just trust" or "faith alone" or "faith + nothing = salvation." He told them to preach repentance and remission of sins:
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:45-47)
Those who preach "faith alone" are preaching a perverted gospel, slyly replacing repentance with "faith alone."
We can easily "fail of the grace of God" by reverting back to a life of sin and un-repentance. Just like that servant that reverted to sin in Luke 12:45,46. He was "cut in sunder" and "appointed his portion with the unbelievers." Once saved, always saved? Nope. Were that servant's sins "all paid for, past present and future"?
Apparently not.
ps Jesus finished making a ransom payment available when He died, but His work is not finished. He is at work right now:
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Jesus, in Revelation 3:19)
Do a greek word study on metanoeo/metanoia, my friend. You have been deceived by calvinistic reformed teachers like Piper and MacArthur. Look at the KJV before people perverted the old testament to suite their doctrine of demons and you will find that GOD repents more times than anyone in the whole bible. He has no sin to turn from. Because the word's meaning depends on context, just like the word "star" can mean a celebrity or an astrological body. Repent in the New Testament is even simpler. It always means a "change of mind." it never means "turn from sin" that is a completely fabricated meaning. Where turn is used in the NT, it is "epistrepho"
How can you lose our salvation when we did nothing to earn it? Jesus died for all of our sins. When you believe in him you are given Eternal Life.
@RichardM1366 shrewd point.
Can a Christian walk away and sin their salvation away? The bible answers this.
1 Cor 5:1-5 is about a Christian in danger of losing his salvation.
James 5:19-20 describes a Christian wandering thereby putting his soul in danger.
James 1:15: "Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."
Col 1:23: associates salvation with continuing in the faith.
1 Tim 4:1: in later times, some will depart from the faith.
It would appear there is a difference between "sinning" and "rebellion".
How many people married someone because they were madly in love and then got divorced? You can fall in love, but staying in love with your spouse needs work constant work. It is the same way with Jesus Christ. Do you know how many college students turn away from Jesus Christ? These are students who were in Christian youth groups and attended church every Sunday while in high school. Does anyone seriously believe that they are saved because they once accepted Christ in their hearts?
3:50 But what if you don’t remain in Christ, coz during your Born Again experience you had no preconceived notion of such experiences and you could not fully trust God and started to “make peace treaties with the enemy”.
Later you decide to come back to Christ and remain in Him this time.
Is that possible?
Jesus loves you all and is coming soon! ❤️ if you haven’t repented and turned from sin and accepted Jesus as Savior believing He died and rose again for you, today is perfect and scripture says that today is the day of salvation!!
John 13 Jesus said your clean every whit. That means head to toe. But we all sin and need to confess. Wash or feet so to say. So Peter was saved but he still denied Jesus. Christians do produce fruit. You will no them by their fruit. But we also miss it. Never put yourself under law. If you sin repent and keep on going. Job never cursed God Peter did. Don't be like the self righteous in Luke 18 9. Not saying go sin. But if you do repent you have and advocate.
Salvation is a Christian concept. Souls were liberated into ascension and eternal life long before Jesus appeared on the Earth, and will long after in the succeeding religions, each one of which lasts 2160 years before being refreshed by a new Faith bringing in a further facet of human CONSCIOUSNESS. That is the purpose - not salvation, which takes place through kharmic payment of sins and further incarnations - many lifetimes. Blessings
@drdarrylschroeder5691 Respectfully disagree.
@@BibleAnswerMan Greetings - Thank you. Ascended Masters have made it to the Higher Realms after many lifetimes of spiritual development upon reaching the fifth-dimensional frequency in body and soul after which the soul cannot still have a body and immortality is reached. This was long before Jesus was on the Earth. It is not therefore dependent on Him just now. What about all the other religions that came before, each lasting 2160 years? See? Obvious common sense! Blessings - Rev Dr Darryl HA Schroeder PhD/Ministry
Hanks is incorrect on this. They were active participants in the faith. Hebrews 6:4-6 clearly says so. Regarding Judas... Only true followers of Christ would have had the ability to cast our demons and Judas as Hank alludes to had that ability. Keep in mind, it's Christ who told the Pharisees when they accused him of being a devil when he cast out demons, a house does not divide itself. Satan would not cast out satan. You can't get plainer than this so yes an authentic Christian can indeed become apostate by the "deceitfulness of sin" if allowed to go on without dealing with it.
How do you explain Matthew 7:21-23?
@@jasonbrubaker8522 Well, one reasonable explanation, which often is never considered by many people, is they never did such things and are delusional or dishonest. There is nothing in scripture that shows anyone with the ability to cast out demons without the power of God/Holy Spirit behind it, period!
@@duanehensley8835 Oh really? "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Mattew 24:24, are these also "not real signs"? Is Jesus lying here? You are probably one of those people that follow wonders rather God. You probably think Benny Hinn is not a flase prophet... don't be deceived.. also the devil has powers.
@@shamaimm You know when someone doesn’t have a good argument or refutation when they resort to ad hominin attacks. I don’t know where you would get such a looney conclusion based on what I said that I somehow follow “wonders rather than God”. That’s a very uncharitable response to my statements especially if you call yourself a Christian. Regardless of whether a fellow Christian disagrees with another Christian on secondary theological issues, Christians should never behave that way.
More importantly though, your use of logic is horrible since your conclusion has no warrant based on what I said. I NEVER once said that Satan can’t produce signs and wonders. I merely pointed to the fact that Christ himself, who should never be accused of lying by any Christian, said in a response to the Sadducees or Pharisees, that a house cannot divide itself and that Satan does not cast out Satan. I didn’t say that Christ said that! So, the point is there is no biblical evidence whatsoever that proves that anyone who is NOT a true believer or Christian can cast out a demon.
@@duanehensley8835 I did not mean to attack you personally because I obviously don't know you personally. My reply was based upon the claim you made that maybe the people in Mattew were delusional or disshonest by saying they cast out demons. It just seemed to me like a very odd interpretation of the verse. And due to the fact that lately ive been encountering so many videos about christians believing in false prophets just because of their "miracles". And defending them eagerly just because "if a man does miracles he HAS to be a man of God".
I think Jesus meant that people will actually cast out demons, yet He will not accept them because of their not genuine faith. So the source of their power in not clear.
If one has been called out of darkness into the light of salvation by the Lord Jesus Christ, then there won't be any denying the Savior. On the other hand, if one denies the Savior that person was never saved, and a stranger to the New Covenant.
Then who are those people that the Bible say will depart from the faith in the last days. How will they depart if they were not saved. Hebrews 6:4-6 talks about someone who has been made partaker of the holy Spirit. Is that not the seal of promise. A believer can lose salvation
@@egbewattarrahnaomi332 One who is called by God unto salvation can NEVER lose it. If they "lost" salvation, they were never saved in the first place. See 1Jn 2:19.
@@docholliday7548 if they were never saved how is it that they will have a greater condemnation. All over the new testament we see people who abandoned the faith. Take demus for example, he left the faith. Why is said that if anyone puts his hand to the plough an looks back he is not worthy of the kingdom. That is because it can happen. The Rocky ground believers believe for a while but when temptation comes they fall away into perdition. The Bible says if you go on sinning willfully after having the knowledge of the truth there remains no sacrifice for sins but a fearful looking for the judgement of God and fiery indignation. This verse suggest that these people had the knowledge of the truth but went back to sin. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. The crown of life is for those persevere till the end . You most continue to walk in the light of the Gospel. These people who depart make a shipwreck of their faith.what about the foolish Five virgins were they not Christians who were left behind because they were not right with God? Jesus makes it clear that He is the vine and His father the dresser and any branch in Him that doesn't bear fruit is cut and burnt.
@@docholliday7548 many are called but few are chosen says the Lord. It's not about being called but finishing the race. Some start well with a lot of zeal but for several reasons they turn back.God will never leave anyone but people chose to leave
First off exam yourself to see if your in the Faith. God (the creator perfect and Holy only 1 God) hates sin. We have the commandments to show us where we miss it and separate ourselves from God. God sent his Son (perfect Lamb sacrifice no guile who was always) to take care of our sin debt. Jesus is our advocate with the Father. If you accept Jesus payment (Christ Crucified the coin) for your sin debt by faith. Your eternally forgiven. All sins past present and future forgiven. Freed from the power of sin. He gives you a new ❤. And your a new creation your old man is dead. You have and imputed rightiousness. The point is. Do you accept his sacrifice for this great salvation package? Yes or no? If yes you are born again. You will be in heaven and nothing will ever change it. Saved to the uttermost. Shall never perish. Now go live for God. Not for salvation but because of what he's done for you. He's preparing a mansion for you in heaven. If your already a Christian repent and keep on going. Cast not away your confidence. Jesus tells us to produce fruit Christians quit living carnal. Remember no one comes (to the well Christ sacrifice) unless drawn and by no means he will turn away
Two scenarios.
1.- Jesus does not exist, only sin. So only sin determines your salvation, would you go to heaven??--- Surely not.
2.- Sin does not exist; Only Jesus. So only Jesus determines your salvation, would you go to heaven?? ---- put your answer.
Bible teaches scenario one will never be an option. You will not pass the test never. The Bible teaches there is a 3rd scenario. Both Jesus and sin exist, but because you can not defeat sin, Jesus did it so you can have eternal life. You don’t need to be condemned any more by sin. Jesus determines you Salvation.
I love ya Hank, Im getting a sense though you see salvation is intact because you were steadfast, because you love the Lord etc?? If that is what Im hearing I strongly disagree even though the word appears to say that with" those who persevere" We are not saved because we persevered but persevered because we are saved. The Holy Spirit did not dwell in the hearts of men until pentecost so Judas only tasted and did not swallow, I think there is one thing we can see as evidence of being born again or shall I say its what I know is because I know when I got saved it was supernatural and God changed me from the inside out and the most consistent thing I look for in others is the DESIRE to be like the Lord, the desire to change the desire to know his word even if your engulfed in sin your desire to be free is always there because God put it there and we all know the world does not posess that even amongst phony evangelists etc, they can put on a good act but you will never hear or see behind the scenes someone faking a desire to be more like God, You cannot lose your salvation because it has nothing to do with what you done other than saying yes to being saved, you cannot walk away from your salvation because if you could you would as we all have times where we want to throw in the towel and that is where we have to live by faith
2 Timothy 2:10-13 KJVS
[10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. [11] It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him , we shall also live with him : [12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him : if we deny him , he also will deny us: [13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
If we deny him he will deny us, but deny us in what way is not made clear. My take those that deny him will be denied only eternal salvation wherein the Saints reign with him for a thousand years, Rev 20:6. Because God intends to save all men.
1 Timothy 4:10-11 KJVS
[10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. [11] These things command and teach.
Take a look how a couple Literal bible translations and how they translate verse 10, which makes matters a little more clear.
2 Timothy 2:10 YLT
[10] because of this all things do I endure, because of the choice ones, that they also salvation may obtain that [is] in Christ Jesus, with glory age-during.
2 Timothy 2:10
Rotherham(i) 10 For this cause, am I enduring, all things, for the sake of the chosen, in order that, they also, may obtain, the salvation, which is in Christ Jesus along with glory age-abiding.
To say that the book of Hebrews was not written for Christians (be it Jews or Gentiles), is a lie. This is classic Calvinism or Once saved always saved teaching.
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Amen. They go to great trouble trying to explain away all the verses urging us not to "fall away" and not to "fail of the grace of God." Here's a list of such verses:
⚫ Luke 12:45,46: Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin:
"But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."
Once saved, always saved? Apparently not. We have many other warnings from Jesus, Paul and Peter. Anyone who would like to copy/paste/print this list is welcome to do so:
⚫ John 15 verse 6:
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
It's amazing to me that anyone could conclude you're still "saved" after being "cast off as a branch" and "withered" and "cast into the fire" and "burned." Simply amazing. Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch."
⚫ Hebrews 4:1: "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."
⚫ 1 Corinthians 9:24-27: The apostle Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated he could become a "castaway." Here's verse 27:
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
⚫ Romans 11:19-22: The apostle Paul warned that Gentiles, even after being "graffed" into the "vine," could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" - the Israelites - had been broken off:
"Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
⚫ 2 Peter 2:20-22 If, after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."
⚫ Hebrews 10:26,27 delivers the same warning about returning to sin:
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
⚫ Hebrews 6:4-6 It IS possible to fall away, even after receiving the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away:
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
⚫ Hebrews 12:14,15 We can "fail of the grace of God":
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;"
⚫ Revelation 3:5 and 22:19 Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life:
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
⚫ 2 Peter 1:10,11 "Salvation" is not unconditional, here's another example of "if" with conditions:
"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
⚫ Heb 3:12-14 Another "if" with conditions:
"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"
⚫ Col 1:21-23 Another "if" with conditions:
"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"
⚫ Romans 8:13 Another "if":
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Well so I guess the scriptures was just for the Jews then?? It’s for us too! Words for us too.
Read 1st John
Read the whole book 1st John
You mean read the Book of Hebrews? Gotcha.
Don't "forefeit" your salvation, true believer! Endure to the end!
Judas was an unbeliever,
Have I not chosen you 12 and one of you is a devil, John 6.
The devil entered Judas but to Peter he requested to sift Peter like wheat.
Both Peter and Judas betrayed Jesus but judas betrayed Jesus for money, but Peter denied Jesus out of fear of the cross. Judas repented that he had betrayed innocent blood and gave back the money but he did not repent of his unbelief, Jesus restored Peter because Peter believed who Jesus is, the christ the son of the living God. Peter didn't repent neither did he ask for forgiveness , Jesus forgave him as he does to all believers
Be blessed.
Believers cannot apostasise.
1 John 2:19
King James Bible
They went out from us, but they were not of us; FOR IF THEY HAD BEEN OF US, they would NO DOUBT HAVE CONTINUED WITH US: but they went out, that they might be made MANIFEST that they were not all of us.
Apostasy is how God separates the sheep, from the goats.
You are either saved or lost there is no losing salvation.
Be blessed
*YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION* LOOK THESE VERSES PROVING WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT, USING
ONLY PAUL'S EPISTLES FOR ALL DISPENSATIONALISTS OUT THERE
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, *if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.*
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of *no effect* unto you, *whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.*
1 Timothy 5:12 Having *damnation,* because they have *cast off their first faith.*
Those who are truly born again cannot sin. If you want law as a Christian God will give it to you. He told the rich young ruler he wasn't good. But he refused to accept it. God gets us to a point to trust in him alone. Sealed unto day of redemption. It's always good to exam yourself to see if in faith if your not producing fruit. If you are repent and keep going
Yes you can lose your salvation read HEBREW 10 verses 26,27,28,29
Typical Calvinist response, @@westoftherockies. Try not to impose those Reformed presuppositions onto & into the Text, eh?
It's not about "losing" salvation. Rather, it's about exercising one's free will to "forfeit" one's salvation.
@@IndianaJoe0321 and if you "forfeit" your salvation, can you then get salvation back again?
They were never of the faith anyhow. They came and they left without faith in Christ.
Definitely cannot lose what you don’t have. The spirit does not leave one it lives in.
@@defendingthefaith.7889 Very true. His Sprit bears witness with our sprit that we are the children of God by His blood. Thank God for His Sprit.
You have to be saved, before the question.
None are yet saved. Christ has to return, and judgment, before anyone gets "saved". Why can't the truth be spoken. Maybe you're converted, or enlightened, or changed your ways, but salvation is for the future, and trust the words if Jesus himself.
Matthew 24:13
None of this is true.
@@defendingthefaith.7889 Oh, it be true. And get rid of your graven image. As long as crosses are shaped, and engraved on tombstones, they will be, and are, graven images.
Context is Everything
This passage cannot be understood properly apart from the context. It is clear that Matthew (and Mark) is speaking about conditions in the time of Israel's great Tribulation (Matt. 24:21) immediately before Jesus Christ returns (Christ's return is also in view in the context of Matthew 10:22; see 10:23). Here, Jesus is answering the disciples' question about His return (Matt. 24:3-4) and the signs that will accompany it. In that time of great sorrow, the Jews will be hated and some will be killed by the other nations (Matt. 24:9), betrayed by their own countrymen (Matt. 24:10), deceived by false prophets (Matt. 24:11), and experience lawlessness and a lack of natural affection (Matt 24:12). After verse 13, Jesus' prophecy conveys the details that actually describe His coming (vv. 14ff.). This is a prophecy that relates to the end time in the Tribulation period.
The End of What?
That the end of one's life is not addressed here is clear by how the "end" is used throughout the passage. Beginning with the disciples' question about the "end of the age" in verse 3, Jesus gives information about that end mentioning it in verses 6 and 14. It is clear Jesus refers to the end of the Tribulation period that will come upon the whole earth.
Though many in Israel will be killed, those who endure these perils to the end of the Tribulation will be delivered ("saved") from their enemies, who are the nations which hate them. This is simply an occasion when the word "saved" refers to deliverance from danger, not deliverance from hell. Indeed, hell is not mentioned in the passage and would be out of place. This "last-minute rescue" of the remnant of Israel by Jesus Christ is a prophesied biblical event (Zech. 12:2-9; Rom. 11:26). Later in Jesus' response, He says that when He returns He will "gather His elect" from all over the world, a reference to His chosen nation, Israel, and their deliverance at the end of the Tribulation (v. 31).
The endurance spoken of in verse 13 refers to persisting in faith through the severe suffering and persecutions of that period (vv. 10-12). Some Israelites will be martyred (v. 9), but those who live to the end will see a glorious "salvation." Jesus declares that the final days will be shortened lest none survive to see that deliverance (v. 22).
@@defendingthefaith.7889 If, it's the end of your life, i.e. you die, and are dead until Christ return. If you are alive when he returns, that's the end. And NO ONE enters the kingdom before. None are yet saved. How simple the thruth of God, and the words of your Lord and savior.