Hank Hanegraaff Addresses John MacArthur's Comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2017
- Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast, addresses John MacArthur's comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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Hank, as someone that has been searching for God. I thank you. I m a confirmed Lutheran but attend a nondenominational church. I have felt lost and have wondered into agnosticism. I cannot become atheist, I feel God is still there. I feel compelled to join the Orthodox Church. God is pulling me in that direction. I ask for prayer. Thank you. God bless.
you are on the right path...God bless you
Galatians 1:6-11 KJV
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. [10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. [11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Hey Fernando..I felt the same way..I tried Orthodox around 30 years ago and I'm still going
Welcome!
Hi Fernando - so wonderful to hear your honest testimony. I too have wandered - I have even been a pastor but have had in the last number of years that same 'pulling' toward Orthodoxy. I find the teachings deeply spiritual - something I dont think I can say I have experienced before. May God bless you richly!
Show by your only mission you don’t know Jesus on a personal level why don’t you talk to Jesus about that forget about Hank Hannah graph who cares what he does.
Thanks for your response Hank. My wife and I were Chrismated and brought into the Orthodox Christian Church one year ago and all 7 of our children were baptized the same day. It’s the greatest decision I’ve ever made.
My younger brother, his wife and 7 children were also recently Chrismated into the Orthodox Christian Church. The similarities of your comment caught my attention.
Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6)
'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10)
You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other.
The Eastern Orthodox Church’s doctrine is therefore incorrect.
@@salvation4all313 This is my take as a forever-student of the Faith. This is simply my perspective and is more just me relaying what I'm learning. Don't take it as authoritative.
Eastern Orthodox do not have that much "dogma" or systematic theology on salvation in the way the west does. Orthodox simply say to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" - as the letter of Philippians says. Point me to the Eastern Orthodox doctrine you are talking about denouncing, because the majority of tightly-held dogma that we have are contained in the Nicene Creed (written by the Orthodox), that 95% of all Christians in the world follow. Everything else is held pretty loosely and not elevated to dogmatic status as you are holding your Romans & Ephesians verses to. Even with our two thousand years of stacks and stacks of canons, Orthodox still have infinitely less actual *dogma* than Catholics and Protestants. Eastern Orthodox simply don't find the need to pit Faith and Works against each other. It's a moot point that is unnecessary and a product of the western need to hyper-analyze and dissect everything.
The verse by verse thing that you are doing in the last comment gets complicated, as many Christians understand. The book of James 2nd chapter makes it clear as day for everyone when he says:
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also..""
In short, according to scripture, "faith without works is dead", "works perfect our faith", a man can be "justified by works", and James says point blank "by works a man is justified, and NOT by faith alone" - sola fide doctrine that many American Christians including myself for most of my life is directly renounced here. This seems crystal clear clear to me and most people who read it. But it does not negate the scripture you posted, it just complements it perfectly. But from a western point of view it is definitely seen as contrary which is why Martin Luther petitioned to have the entire book of James removed from the canon entirely, 1500 years into the history of the Church.
Orthodox don't see Faith and Works as being at odds. Why would they need to be? They are holistically one in the same from the Eastern point of view. There is no need to surgically dissect the two and put them against each other. The east never saw the need to have the Faith vs Works debates and simply just weren't part of those debates in history for geographic reasons mostly haha. I see putting 100% weight on belief or 100% weight on works as extremes and the Orthodox Church holds the paradox in balance as they try to do with all of the tricky extremes and heresies the Church has fought for 2000 years.
This is also why the Orthodox who canonized the bible believe that Holy Scripture IS a work founded by the Church and not the other way around - the Church is not something founded by Scripture alone. "Sola scriptura" was an impossibility for the church because the Church existed for 300-400 years or so without a "new testament". The new testament and canonized Holy Bible was one of several of the Orthodox capital T Traditions including the Mysteries of Holy Communion, Holy Confession, Holy Marriage, Holy Ordination, Holy Unction - all founded by Christ Himself and passed to the disciples in one "Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church" as we say in the creed.
Sorry for the novel. And no need to take anything I say as authoritative. This is just my perspective as just a simple dude who was protestant for 20 years and has only been Orthodox for 2 years (not long at all). Forgive me if I was unclear or heavy handed in any of the above. And please take anything I said with a huge grain of salt.
@@salvation4all313You are taking something that Paul said to refute what James said. They didn't contradict one another. You act like we must accept what Paul said, but totally reject what James said. That's not how it works.
@@bobbyadkins6983 Jesus Christ said, *"I am telling you the TRUTH, whoever believes in me HAS eternal life."* (John 6:47)
Furthermore, *'For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'* (Romans 6:23)
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is a gift ever worked for/earned.
Both the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are DISOBEDIENT Churches and should be avoided at all costs.
I'm a Pentecostal and thinking about becoming a Greek orthodox please pray God will lead me in his perfect will for me
It’s not about becoming what denomination. You must be born again to be able to enter into the kingdom of God.
You can be born again and Orthodox. Orthodoxy is the fullness of the faith.
@@n1nib thank you for your reply my only question about orthodoxy is praying before images of Mary and the saints aren't we forbidden to do this maybe you could help me
@@n1nib thank you for your reply it gives me something to think about
@@henrystanley1516 the scripture says we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses"....the saints are still alive, they are like friends we ask to pray with us and for us...we do not worship them. We give them honor (venerate them). Look for Fr Stephen Freemans blog Glory to God for All Things....he writes about all of these topics (and is a convert himself).
Another convert to Orthodoxy here. Thank you Hank for representing what Orthodoxy is as loving and living. You are an example of your faith, through your acts. Humble righteousness. Again, thank you 🙏🏻
I’ve met eastern orthodox people they seem nice to me that’s not the question but what they teach is under biblical and it goes against the whole point of the word God wishes the salvation of mankind is not defending our actions or our works you cannot lose your salvation because it’s given us a free gift Ephesians 289 you need to look at the water God and quit worrying about with the patriarch or Hank and a graph says what you asked Jesus what he has to say about it.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tkYes you are correct!
I am an ex Jehovah’s Witness and I bless you brother Hank. I am so loving your expositions as I am looking into orthodoxy. Takes a bit of wrapping your head around.
When I was in college where I got my BA in Biblical Languages, John MacArthur was highly revered by nearly everyone. Some to the point that if he didn't teach it, they didn't believe it. I didn't make many friends when I handed them my bible one day and told them to turn to The Gospel According to John MacArthur.
They quote John MacArthur as an authority, and we're all supposed to happily and gladly accept it. It's John MacArthur, after all! He's a preacher of the Word!
But the moment you quote John Chrysostom as an authority, they gasp, clutch their pearls, and forever regard you with suspicion. That's man-made tradition, you see! That's not _Sola Scriptura!_
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Hypocrisy and irony are strong within Protestantism. Even as an evangelical Protestant (for now), I readily see it for what it is and no longer hold back from calling it out for what it is.
I've always found him to be a bit pompous. As if he's a calvinist Pius XII.
@@HickoryDickory86 you arent debating McArthur, you are debating GODs word. Don't get confused about who McArthur is quoting. He isnt quoting himself. He is just tge messenger
McArthur is quoting GODs word. I would be careful of mocking someone quoting GOD.
@@williamgullett5911 It's one thing to quote God's word. Teaching from God's word is something else entirely.
Well done, Hank. John, I imagine, was not trying to sound like a Pharisee, but he did. This is the godly, Christ-like way to respond the comments that were as vitriolic as John's. Thanks for this powerful example!
Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6)
'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10)
You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other.
Therefore Hanegraaff is wrong and so is the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Martin Luther went so far that he wanted to remove St. James's letter from the New Testament since it embarrassed Luther's conception of 'faith alone'.
TheChiesa Wow. I didn’t know this.
Thats a myth
@@HerveyShmervy not a myth at all its well documented and lutherans admit it.
Links and proof?
@@ericjustice8303
*note i said luther wanted to remove apocrypha i am not sure that is accurate my understanding now is that he didnt find them equal to holy scripture but still profitable to read.
lutheran called epistles of james "epistle of straws" because james said faith without works is dead. Look it up even lutherans admit this. Early church did not teach once saved always saved doctrine. Luther wanted to open the canon of the new testament and remove books. He was not successful with altering New Testament canon it scandalized his followers. Protestants follow tradition of luther. Originally apocryha was included in kjv(again not new testament apocryha) Eventually the apocryha was removed from kjv bible. What adds to confusion is protestants dont distinguish between new testament apocrypya and other writings that catholics call apocrypha and orthodox call deuterocanon, again the church universally rejected new testament apocryha when the books of the bible were canonized and no eastern orthodox and no catholic and dont think any protestant believe in new testament apocrypha. In Eastern orthodox we call certain books deuterocanonical second canon not given as much emphasis as other books, catholics and protestants call these book apocrypha.The deuterocanonical books were rejected by Jews after the time of apostles because it made them look bad. Dont understand the reasoning to look to unbelieving Jews to set the canon 1600 years later, but thats protestant tradition.
How truly grace filled are your words, Hank. A beautiful, gentle answer that comes from a life long walk with the Lord Himself.
Your walk shows works and is the shining light of your faith. You walk in a life of works which is what makes you separated from the rest. Your not chastised into certain behaviours called works. True works are not a to do list of behaviours that prove your faith they come with focused faith as a natural part of your walk. I also believe unlike Calvin that we have free will to choose our path. Focusing on Calvinism detracts from a focus on our saviour and a deviation of biblical text. Bless you for your carefully measured words. I also love John McArthur. Being wrong is a human frailty and so is passion. We have not been made perfect yet but should be increasing in knowledge from biblical text 2Timothy 3:16-17. Bless you
Bless! It is a delight to see your comment here, Father. I was discouraged by MacArthur's words because of how many people I know he will lead astray. I pray more people come to the faith of the Apostles and see the humility and love in Hank's words. Pray for me and my family.
A gracious, careful and thoughtful answer to a hasty accusation. Well done!
In my journey with Christ, I kept searching for the truth (raised Catholic, and spent 25 years in Protestantism, mostly Calvary Chapel) but kept running into roadblocks of men claiming authority but disagreeing with one another. Finally I decided I would conform to Christ, rather than have Him conform to me. Searching back to the beginning I was profoundly moved by the early Church Fathers, and Orthodoxy was the end of the search for me. Hank is so blessed by God in knowledge and decades of study that it seems to me he could end up no where else. God Bless You Hank! Been listening to You for 20+ years, and now I can continue with You as a great teacher of Orthodoxy.
Pastor McArthur has been important in my character conforming to Christ. He appears to be wrong here. Thank you, for being respectful in your response.
No hand cannon graph is going against what the Bible teaches and you know it the Greek orthodox even reject eternal security. Another words salvation is dependent upon your own actions. Instead of the sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk The Apocalypse of John makes very clear that one’s name can be struck from the Lamb’s Book of Life. Consider how Esau chose to sell his birthright; can we not do the same with our Baptism?
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk of course you can fall away. He can cut away the dead vines that produce no fruit. We can lose salvation. Hence the “saints need to persevere”People can abuse God’s grace period.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk do you think you can call yourself a Christian and still live like the world with its filth?
No. MacArthur is quite correct. It is Hanegraaff who is wrong here.
Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6)
'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10)
You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other.
The Eastern Orthodox Church’s doctrine is therefore incorrect.
We are saved through faith by the grace of God.
We are not saved by works but we are saved too work !
Me, my wife, and daughter were baptized and Chrismated this past Holy Saturday. Thank you for the part you played Hank!
Welcome home brother.
Welcome home brother
@Willis Talks 337 ...Amen My Brother!
Αγγελική Κοσκινά this is not a good thing. I urge you to read the Bible and understand that we are saved by Grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone! Traditions of men do not do anything for you but damn you to hell! Let me ask you - what is your faith in? What are you trusting in for salvation?
@@icxcnika2037 they aren't worshipping them. They were literal writings on the wall a memory of the past. There are no statues like in rc church
This is such a wonderful response. Was not quick to anger. Did not directly rebuke John. Instead he tactfully, lovingly, in kindness speak truth by quoting scripture. Thank you for this response and posting it!
Justification comes by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, and that saving, justifying faith wrought by God in the heart will always be evidenced by genuine good works done from a completely transformed heart (2 Corinthians 5:17). As a believer, I do good works not to BE forgiven, but because I AM forgiven - praise God for the finished work of Jesus and the free gift of salvation.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
John 5:24 NASB
Faith alone is unbiblical and a shameful doctrine of man. What we do have in Scripture is the exact opposite being taught: James 2:24 "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." But why is that Protestants (mainly Reformed) simply ignore this? This is not simply my own interpretation. This is the interpretation which "has been believed everywhere, always, and by all (Christians)".
Salvation is not a one time thing. Orthodox speak of salvation as life, it continues, it must be "worked out". We don't simply apprehend a factual event and think that will transform us. We are athletes...training, racing, fighting the good fight. This is in keeping with the words of Apostle James in his epistle (quoted above) and of the Apostle Paul in Galatians 5 among dozens of other places in the NT. It is abundantly evident that works are required for salvation (because salvation is more than a one time event). We are saved (Eph. 2:8). We "are being saved" (1 Cor. 1:18, 15:2, Acts 2:47). We “will be saved” (Matt 24:13). We continue not in works of the OT law, but in faith which itself is "working through love" (Gal. 5:6).
I pray for your eyes are opened to the truth that has been clearly taught in the Scriptures and held by the fathers of the Church.
The answer is in Ephesians 2:8,9,an 10
Thank you for this clarification. As an orthodox Christian in a protestant family, I am sometimes at a loss for words to defend the faith. I pray for unity in the Christian faith with all fellow Christians.
What do Orthodox Christians think of evolution? It seems that they accept mysteries and understand metaphor better than the other denominations. Evolution is a stumbling block for so many people. the idea seems to create atheists. I think Genesis is written in the metaphorical way but still true in some real way. IF the orthodox church believes that... it should grow. I think right now more than ever, we could use a revival.
It's all realize whom their Apostle is the Apostle Paul and followed his teachings say 2nd Timothy 2:15?
@@MicahMicahel
Evolution is a satanic teaching, a delusion
Many years Hank! May God give you strength to endure.
I still love you Hank Hanegraaff because you opened my eyes about our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Orthodox church.
I will always be grateful for the many martyrs orthodoxy has produced even if I'm neither orthodox nor catholic. Who of us has such faith nowadays? Deep respect for such a conviction.
As an Evangelical, Hank, you are such a gracious man of God. Blessings my brother, in all your travels. (John B)
Wow! My heart is wormed by the grace and peace and love that was so evident throughout this video. God be praised for his gift of humility given to this brother. Many guys would have been defensive and angry and insulted and vindictive. Thank God for his help manifested in the words I just heard. THIS IS HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER PEOPLE. I feel like reading my Bible now; so, have a great night.
Hank...Years ago I was a lukewarm believer caught up in the lies that my happiness was more important than holiness and that somehow God understood that I was a sinner and would look the other way as I embraced compromise. Your teachings focused on the true word of God on the radio shook the foundations of my hypocrisy and brought me to genuine repentance as I saw my wickedness through the light of God's word and the fear of the Lord drove me to the seriousness of it all, especially my sin. You taught me to love and surrender to God and obedience to His commandments and it has changed my life forever..(Literally), Thanks for your often harsh truth in love... you teach the whole word and it matters , in my case it was not pleasant for a season but produced the fruit of righteousness and a peace and joy I wouldn't trade for anything.
As I have always understood , is that works is the result of faith.
@@donross8535Yes.. James said "I will show you my faith by my works." Only the faith acceptance of the Lord's finished work of a perfect life given for us can save; born out by rejection of the things He had to die for. 1,2,and 3,John defines the fruit of repentance and rejection of sin as both love for God, "In this we know we have come to know Him when we keep His commandments." 1:3 To go on in a life of sinning willfully is to cast the blood under our feet.
I was given a book of Hank Hanegraaf many years ago, as a gift. I was taken in by the man then and I still am today....
Hank Hanegraaff you are a great ambassador for Jesus. Been tuning in since the mid 80's (off and on) and I still have confidence in CRI.
We can be confident in knowing that God cannot contradict His holy Word the Bible. We are not saved by our works, but saved unto good works which Paul and James agreed on
@Josh I was about to say practical compassion is of no consequence to these Evangelical loud-mouths whose expurgated Bibles have deleted the Sermon on the Mount.
Katie, you're absolutely right.
Only by the works of CHRIST on the CROSS of Calvary
@@jb021006 so you believe that we don't have to do anything once we are saved?
@@theunknownone2189 no, protestants (mostly) and orthodox have almost the same theology with a few differences and we both believe that salvation came from Jesus’s crucifixion and that belief in it brings salvation (John 3:16, faith- belief) and that as Hank says in this video that the book of James affirms that faith through works is needed to justify a believer
It's not that our works play any part in our salvation, indeed we are saved *by grace* _through_ faith, (Ephesians 2:8) but that our works are evidence of a living and saving faith. This is exactly why Paul asks the question in that way, "can 'that' faith save him?" (James 2:14). He further implores us to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12). Let's also not forget how oft Jesus responded to faith (not works) saying that a person's faith (in Christ) has saved / healed them: Luke 7:50, Mark 5:34, Matthew 15:28, Luke 23:43, etc. So what's faith? "'Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1 NASB (see also Romans 8:24). "Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." John 20:29 NASB.
Perfectly said in the first few lines.
@@dimitrispeiraias Thankyou, but there is no need to convert me. I am already orthodox and always have been.
@@dimitrispeiraias You Too!
No. God says only those who obey Gods will go to heaven.
Wow!! One of the "Report" options on RUclips should be for heresy, lol. Rotten carnal platform.
I could listen to this man recite scripture for hours! What a gift from God- to be able to speak God's word so clearly, with such expression, force, and emphasis! Sheer pleasure! He makes the Word of God come alive!
Read your Bible yourself out
Loud . The scriptures will do the same thing for you . God bless you.
I feel he is not only very knowledgeable but also very patient and kind hearted,you can see and hear Jesus in his speaking
@@michaelmerck7576 I agree. You truly can ( hear Jesus) in his voice & soul.
How can one Christian curse another? Is that what Jesus taught? Thank you Hank for responding in a way that shows the true nature of Orthodoxy.
He’s NOT a Biblical born again Christian
Galatians 1:8-9 (NKJV)
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
He cursed the doctrine not the person. Secondly, the matter of whether EO is Christianity is the issue in question. So in Mcarthur’s view he is not talking about another Christian but a heresy adding works to salvation.
This verse clearly says "let him be accursed" in fact it says HIM twice any the word anyone added which means don't give respect to a person. How you can twist it to just the doctrine is beyond me, but it is the false doctrine that curses the person. Paul even includes himself and to drive the point he adds an angel.
Richard Byrnes Although true, we are not talking about the verse, we are talking about what M. said. At 2:38 you can clearly see that he says the belief is to be cursed.
Protestant here who's a big fan of both these guys!
have you read Martin Luthers "Table talk" ? really worth it
@@travelsouthafrica5048 I haven't read it, but I've heard quite a bit about it. I'll have to add it to my list. God bless!
@@caedmonnoeske3931 I only recently discovered it and it was incredibly interesting , they make Luther out to be a dimwit in popular cultures today , but Dr Luther was a man far beyond his time and you can see it in the book where his friends wrote down his "table talk" and it is enlightening to say the least
another book you should try and find if you haven't already is "Commonplaces: Loci Communes 1521" written by his friend Philip Melanchthon
I think no protestant should go around walking in these dark forrests alone before reading those two books ;)
That is why I left Protestantism. I'm with my Orthodox Brothers and Sisters on this.
If this trash is representative then I don't blame you.
Thank you Hank for being instrumental in ministering to me. I needed to hear this entire message.
Thank you, Hank. Great explanation of the age old debate between Faith vs Works and great illustration of love towards another of the body of Christ.
MacArthur's caricature of Orthodoxy is not surprising. His Calvinism has blinded him so that he can't even correctly understand us. I would appreciate him if he avoided straw-men arguments, explained our doctrines accurately, and then simply disagreed with us. That I could respect.
I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank need to do his home work.
I agree. Just the tone of "a RAG" was placed on his head, was enough for me to see that his comments were way off base. That was uncalled for and I love John MacArthur. HIs commentaries on the Bible I love. I have the full set and many other of his books. And I am Orthodox.
@@sydneyskinner627 I find protestants do that alot, pronunciation and with their tone of a word like he did with 'rag' to imply that it is dumb or stupid.
Calvinism has nothing to do with it
@@lake3176as a recent convert to Orthodoxy, there are several inaccuracies in your comment. Responding 4 years late just in case someone sees this and assumes it is fact.
Orthodox priests are not celibate, only the Bishops and monks. In fact, marriage is a requirement for both practical purposes (ministering to married couples) and because a life of celibacy is a heavy burden.
Orthodox do not believe in the immaculate conception of Mary. They do not believe she was born without sin.
Orthodox believe that the sacraments are required for salvation, each of which are performed with a foundation of faith and obedience to Christ. Baptism and crismation, confession of sins, and holy communion. Intercessory prayers are NOT a requirement for salvation, nor is there an endless criteria of good works that must be performed. Rather, a Christian who professes faith in Christ must seek to live a life in which they keep His commandments daily to love the Lord and love their neighbour.
The Orthodox view of salvation via faith and works can is best illistrated by Ephesians 2:8-10
It's worth noting too that these beliefs are shared among the oldest (apostolic) branches of the Christian, many of whom have not been in communion with one another for 10-15 centuries
This reminds me of The Cost of Discipleship by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I really liked that book because it said you must practice obedience if you have faith and something in that concept felt right to me. Refreshing in a way.
Obedience to scripture. Not necessarily tradition. Look at the Jews even in jesus's day, they had oral Torah, and even today Jews will say well the oral traditions were passed on a Moses just wasn't written down for like a thousand years or so and then they finally wrote it down. How can you trust that? Even Jesus reprimanded the Jews because of their obedience to man-made traditions but not the commandments of God
Oh the Irony of MacArthur rejecting this formulation of the "gospel". This is, from what I can tell, the exact formulation that MacArthur proposes against Free Grace proponents.
Reformed Theology is self-contradictory in numerous ways. This is one of them.
Thank you Hank for loving God and man and showing respect to both.
I heard you for the first time maybe 20 years ago. I was impressed (and still am to say the least) of your strong devotion and understanding of the Bible. I am now even more impressed with the character of man that you are as shown in this clip (albeit a few years old). God keep you and Bless you Hank
be amazed by JESUS! not a man!
Amen....
@@MegaAce54true. However, re check the comment. He mentions "the character of man that you are." I would say referring to Hank's character. Not idolizing him. That's what I gather from it.
Blessings!
Thank you Henk for all of these years of ministry. Bless you. Carol
God bless our Holy Orthodox Church. I'll be praying for you, Mr. Hanegraff, I hope you that God grants you many years to spread the correct-believing faith all across this continent.
Hank, as I listened to your radio show over a number of years, I knew you would end up in Orthodoxy. I have been on a journey just like yourself. You never especially talked about it but I knew you were going in that direction. I am so happy for you that you found your spiritual home. God has me in an Anglican vineyard to do His work but my respect for Orthodoxy is immense. I praise God you were called to His Church and you responded.
You and Hank have the same demonic spirit in you like the one of Judah Iscariot ,the one that sold Jesus Christ for 30 pieces of silver .
Both of you will receive the same reword from Holy God.
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What an Idiot , The Orthodox Church split away from Catholic Church ,the Orthodox and the Catholic Church are Apostates and Criminal Organizations , like Mafia
" There is a long history leading up to the split of 1054, including the Filioque. The split of 1054 was not an isolated event, but kind of like the final split in a marriage that had become bad."
Orthodox and Catholic Church created also the Religion of Islam, another criminal religion just like orthodox and catholic , them are the three satanic demons from hell .
" Augustine, the bishop of North Africa, was effective in winning Arabs to Catholicism (salvation by the sacraments through the Papal Church), but many did not convert.
At the same time, missionaries of the followers of Christ were preaching the pure gospel in North Africa, Asia Minor and other places.
Satan didn’t want the Arabs to know the true path of salvation, so he had the Augustinians create the false religion of Islam, to deceive them.
The Koran gives Muslims a religious cause, which opposes Christians, so that they don’t read the Gospel and be saved.
Islam is Romanism for Arabs. Revelation 17 calls the Roman Church the Mother of Harlots, and Islam is one of the daughter religions that they helped create."
@@georgecapra, Wowzas... Uhm. Say you are a truth speaker, don't you want your audience to listen to you, and learn from you? Do you know what ethos is? Attacking the person instead of the subject is blatant immaturity. No one is going to learn or desire to agree with your teaching if your an ass, forgive me for my harsh language. I am guessing you are Muslim, did you search for a controversial video to what you believe so you could just say someone has a demonic spirit?
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You are guessing wrong, I am a Baptist and not a Muslim , there is not a big difference between an Muslim a Catholic and a Orthodox, all of them are enemy of Lord Jesus Christ , both of them persecute the true Believers in Holy God, when Catholic Church created Islam and Mohammad , there were no Orthodox Church , so Catholic and Orthodox believers made one Church, so now Catholic and Orthodox are guilty of the crimes and terror that Islam are doing around the world ,those two Churches are the Mother and the Father of that Satanic Islam.
Islam, Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are worshiping the Devil.
@@georgecapra Yikes. You are just flat out wrong on so many assertions there. I would suggest studying early church a bit more earnestly. It would be pretty unfortunate if the same Church that compiled the scriptures was as bad as you say, I would say your sola scriptura faith is on some pretty shakey ground if your assertions are true.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.
I’m sorry Hank, I don’t have as much patience with the Macarthurites as you do. Please pray for me. Many blessings.
Bro. Hank, thank you for that eloquent and loving rebuttal to John.
I want to ask you to consider a new book where you make a list of the fathers who wrote commentaries, treaties, histories, and foundational truths of our faith. I love hearing you read or quote their works and I have found some of them to read.
St Vladimir’s Seminary Press have an excellent series of books called Popular Patristics where you will find many many Church Fathers teachings in fairly short books. I have read many. I would start with St Athanasius “On the Incarnation”. The series covers all the pertinent aspects of Orthodoxy. Enjoy the journey. As CS Lewis writes in the introduction to Athanasius writings, stop reading modern books and go back and read the original ancient Church Fathers. They’re much easier to read than you would think. Happy reading :)
Wonderful comment from you, I don’t know you but I love your comments. I am a regular listener of John’s teachings from gty. Listening to you , I could see that both of you have the same heart for the gospel of our Lord. Thank you for your explanation of you believe and God Bless
You responded with so much patience to such a shockingly ignorant and disrespectful personal attack and attack on the Faith. Lord have mercy on John Macarthur. God bless you! ☦️
I am growing so weary. I am 66 years old and have tried to stay faithful and avoid heresy since leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church about 45 years ago.
These divisions among people I’ve look up to for decades, is confusing and very difficult.
Pray for me. In the meantime, I will be withdrawing from all this conflict. It challenges my faith in unhealthy ways. Depressing!
Mr. Thompson: I am 75. I am an Orthodox convert. Most of the adults at my church are converts. We used to be something else.
Find an Orthodox church (I'm Antiochian Orthodox), stay after the liturgy, meet the clergy and some enthusiastic lay people (such as myself!) and ask questions. Orthodoxy has been around for a long time and has dealt with many problems over almost 2,000 years. Join us now that Lent is coming. See what we do and hear what we believe. We aren't perfect but we don't change to accommodate whatever exciting thing people are enamored with at any particular time.
I think the division between Hank Hanegraaff and John MacArthur is one of opinion over personal animosity. Remembering Hank's counsel that "In the essentials, Unity. In secondary issues, Liberty. And in all things, Charity." They've surely discussed Hank's decision to join the Orthodox Church by now.
Father God please protect Hank from all of the curses of the enemy's camp. I have noticed that when people are wrong with their doctrines they can just not stop talking about somebody who they think is wrong in their doctrines. Please keep him safe from the repetitive curses coming out of the mouths of such people. I asked for this in Jesus name Amen
His doctrine so wrong though
When i looked at what was supposedly a orthodoxy error, I immediately thought of James, even before Hank Hanegraff spoke. I see nothing wrong with works as a byproduct of faith. I do because I am; I am not because I do.
Brother, I live in a country where 90% of the people are Orthodox - I was one - and believe me when I say, for them works are not the byproduct of salvation. Is salvation by works. Plus countless other problems. It is an idolater man made religion.
I’ll show you my faith by my works.
@@Nobo35 that is not what they teach. They believe you will be saved if your food works surpass your sins.
Ce Spun Scripturile every group of Christians believe things others don’t. If you give the Bible to ten different people you’ll get ten different doctrines. Dispensationalism is a theology that is not very supported by scripture and is very new which tells us it’s probably not very accurate.
George Ciarrocchi Orthodox teach what the Bible teaches, yes. A living faith leads to fulfilling our calling as image beaters of Christ-people created to do good works and to grow in holiness, to become more like Christ through obedience and all by His grace.
Thank you 2 years later! It is true that His word goes forth living and active and accomplishes what it sets forth to do! You shared the Word and it answered my prayer!
An excellent, thoughtful, and grace-filled response to a brother. Thank you so much.
I have read scripture and it clearly says we are saved by grace through faith not of works, but works are the evidence of saving faith. Thank you Hank.
Precisely. Therefore, Hank is misguided.
Do the scriptures have anything else to say?
Bill Sterling yes....if you engage in eisogesis.
Richy Rich a misunderstanding of that verse.
BlazingLove3:16, then if you believe as you say, you clearly haven’t read your bible.
Extremely impressed by the Christ-like spirit in which this message is delivered, praise God! O how beautiful when (in Christ) brother speaks to brother with respect, even if they disagree. The bible teaches christians to communicate to each other with "gentle"ness and heart-felt love, not by attacking, mocking, etc. I greatly appreciate and commend Hank's biblical communication skills here.
Amen completely. Doesn't matter who is right in the issue - but thank God for the proper communication of his viewpoint. if you communicate improper, you have already lost the debate.
I feel the same. Really hear Christ spirit in his message. I love John MacArthur too! He helped me come out of the Roman Catholic faith. I don't feel our Lord wants us to condemn each other. Thank you Hank! I listened to you for a long time on 101.5 Word FM.
Of course, when there are genuine wolves that have broken in among the flock, are they not to be reviled in the tradition of how Jeremiah did?
I really enjoyed this short lesson on faith! Something you said really spoke to me! Thank you!!
I use to listen to Hank Hanegraaff in the 1990s all the time. I moved to the liturgical side of the church about 20 yrs ago. Even though I raised my kids with knowledge of church history, the beauty of liturgical services and the meaning, monastic lifestyle etc. It is only formerly now we all decided to get conformed in the Roman Catholic church. My adult kids need a deeper, fuller understanding of the Christian faith than the protestantism I was raised in. Funny thing is, I haven't considered myself not Catholic for over 15 years, just making it official.
However, I love all liturgical traditions, Coptic, Eastern Orthodox, (I say The Jesus Prayer regularly.) Ect.
I'm delighted that Hank and his family found the Eastern Orthodox church. I believe God is going to use him to introduce many Evangelicals to the historical and liturgical side to their Christian faith. ✝️
God Bless all Christians everywhere in God's good 🌎 earth.
Much love to you, Hank. I loved your words.
I am an American convert to Orthodox Christianity. I thank God for it everyday. It is true, ancient, unchanged Christianity. So many don't understand that in the West, but slowly this is changing.
Where in Scripture does it teach prayers to Mary or any saints is okay? Where does it say works get us to heaven? That the eucharist becomes the literal body and blood of Christ? If you can't show unambiguous passages of Scripture teaching all the things the Orthodox and Catholic Churches teach today, then no, it is not unchanged.
Daric Mathew 22:31,32 states that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That He is not the God of the dead but of the living.
1Timothy 2:1 asks for intercession, and supplication.
If I would ask you to pray for me, why may I not ask the Apostles Paul, or Mary the mother of Jesus, etc. God is the God of the living, not the dead!
When you ask me to pray for you, are you praying to me? Do you prostrate yourself, bow before me, close your eyes just the same as when you pray to God?
No? Then why do you do this when talking with the saints?
Daric John 6:50-60, are taken literally! 1 Corinthians 11:18-30 addresses conditions Paul has heard, and is attempting to correct.
Why would anyone sicken or die for just something symbolic? Also in verse 24 of that chapter, try a word study on the Greek word translates remembrance.
Also Jesus says in Matthew 26:26 take eat this is my body. I'm not quoting the entire verse, but it should get the point across.
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
Not "This is a metaphor for my body, given for you"
The works are a result of faith not justification it's an outflow of a faith in Jesus.
True bit not a requirement for salvation. It's because of faith that one works but one can not say faith by works. One can be saved even if one does not work. As an example a person who devotes majority of his time in prayer and in worship and does no other thing, would he be not be saved.
@@arthurifurung1027 well how would you define "works"? It seems you wouldn't include prayer and worship as part of a service to God. Correct me if I am wrong...
Your good works are a means of justification.
Totally and unequivocally concur whole heartedly!!!! Well said Hank! Gracefully balanced! We are justified by faith alone, but what sort of faith do we have?! Our works demonstrate our salvation.
We are justified by faith alone, we have the righteousness of Christ as we have faith in Him.
And this faith grows and is vibrant and perfected by works, as James shows.
well said Hank Sir! Humility No animosity. Correct Scripture application. This is a man who looks like he has Joy of the Holy Spirit to me. Thank you for you ministry telling me in the past about the hereticle Word-faith movement.
For more information, see Hank's book Truth Matters, Life Matters More: The Unexpected Beauty of an Authentic Christian Life. amzn.to/2Ycd3CX See also these articles related to Eastern Orthodoxy: www.equip.org/articles/what-is-eastern-orthodoxy/, www.equip.org/questions-answers-orthodoxy/, www.equip.org/article/left-christian-faith/, www.equip.org/articles/whats-the-difference-between-eastern-orthodoxy-and-roman-catholicism-and-what-is-wrong-with-purgatory/, www.equip.org/article/what-is-the-central-mystery-of-the-church/, and www.equip.org/articles/what-can-eastern-orthodox-and-evangelical-christians-learn-from-each-other/
Do all Orthodox in Russia know Israel is the revived second earth beast and why does Puttin worship the Image or Idle wailing wall of stone?
Hank he is no friend to you. He is the meanest judging stone throwing hypocrite I have ever heard.
I missed the part where Chrismation is in the Bible. Did Jesus place a cloth on the heads of the diciples?
Justification through Faith and the resulting fruits of faith (works) are two separate things. A person who professes faith and yet you see no fruits is a warning about the person standing in front of you.
Also noted that the Orthodox love to say they aren't Catholics, and yet they still hold into many Catholic (heretical) traditions and rituals that are not Biblical. The orthodox read their church fathers like they are scripture.
@@Sleightman3D There are many non-Protestants that regard Protestants as heretics. So?
We do rely on the Church Fathers, just as today's Protestants rely on Calvin, Darby, Chuck Smith and many others. You believe what you've been taught by those you trust or else your own private interpretation, don't you? I'll take Sts. Athanasius, John Chrysostomos over Darby and Smith, thank you very much. Without Darbys marginal notes in the Schofield Bible, what would your eschatology be?
Get a copy of "The Orthodox Church" by Kallistos Ware. Read about the liturgy in Dom Gregory Dix's "The Shape of the Liturgy." A common assumption of Protestants is that the Early Church was just like theirs. This is impossible, given the vast variety of Protestant ways of doing things and interpreting Scripture. You can't all be right, can you? That wouldn't be "biblical," a word that has been abused so much that those who use it can't agree with one another. That's a problem, isn't it?
Tonight is Holy Pascha. Find an Orthodox church and attend and stick around afterward and ask questions. You might be surprised.
Why doesn't Hank talk about the Orthodox church teaching that you don't receive the Holy Spirit unless you are baptized in their church. Also you teaching is confusing because you changed the way you taught for years. I do believe that is you are a Christian you do produce works that show your saved but we are saved by grace. You act like you are angry when I question this. Why don't you address this. I've supported you over the years and respect you but you need to address this.
Keep up the good work. It's been awhile since I've looked you up, happy to see you looking healthy and continuing to share orthodox truth in a loving manner. Continued blessings
Please pray that my wife will be open to Orthodoxy. Thanks to all. Dan G.
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why? maybe she isn't gullible enough to believe Mary never slept with her own husband and is a "perpetual virgin." If this is so, then Jesus must've magically escaped her womb and appeared in the crib somehow. These absurd, non- Scriptural beliefs are reprehensible and demand a type of reverential worship of Mary. What else could it possibly be? As if laying with her husband somehow stains her and her reputation. Mary CLEARLY had other children. This one thing is enough to make me run for the hills. To believe all that is absurdity.
Hank, your answer was full of gentleness and grace. It was also saturated with truth. Thank you
You chose a great word here, to describe this debate. Saturated does not mean complete. It means two parts, one thing that is inundated. Thus, two parts. Hanks answer included two parts. Truth and error. He is wrong in the main premise, and that is the error. Blessings.
I assume you are in agreement with Luther, who regretted the book of James was included in our Canon
James is one of my favorite books! I can recite it verbatim.
Isaac Heathcote Well I would check my pride if I were you. Your favorite book says salvation is not by faith alone so I assume you agree with Hank and his store Christianity and disagree with Mr. MacArthur
You do not understand what you are talking about. Sorry. Just stating the facts. Read what I wrote to hank, who is a friend of mine. Blessings.
I think that Hanegraaff is dancing around the core question too much. Protestanism clearly teaches that works is a RESULT of salvation, not a cause of it. There is clearly no argument there.
As such a clear statement has to be made whether or not good works contributes to salvation or if they are merely an external manifestation of it.
You are very correct! Blessings
Of course Hank does- my respect for him is at an all time low. Too many responsible people have negative opinions about him and the D James Kennedy fiasco is enough on it's own to prove Hank has SERIOUS issues.
No, he was clear and literally he just quoted scripture and scripture is very clear (unless you are reading your Bible through a Calvinist lens).
Keep in mind that the Orthodox believe that salvation occurs at the Judgement. If we aren't saved in a final sense until the end of time of course our works now are not a result of it! Additionally, if you believe like the Orthodox do that the soul and body are essential to a person and inseparable, then the progress toward salvation of any individual necessarily involves works of the body.
Agreed, Jacob. Protestantism, and especially in its Calvinist variant, is Gnostic in its hatred of the body. The East (where Christ and the Apostles actually lived, and where Christian thought actually developed) has a far different, far healthier view of the body.
Thank you Hank. I too have struggled with this type of teaching but you very graciously brought loving correction. Thank you
I was an Orthodox, almost priest, I am now an Assembly of God Christian, and I pastor a small church, I thanks the lord that I have an understanding of he Cross which many Orthodox could benefit from, John 6:53-66 the bread of Life Passage, I’ve known their believe I believed it I no longer have the same view of Holy Communion. I am Happy I came to a knowledge of Christ in Orthodoxy, I am more profoundly thankful to the Scriptures for leading me to THE Knowledge of Jesus our Messiah
Thank you Hank for making sense of a confusing subject of faith and works. You make it easier to understand. I enjoy listening to you!🙏
Works are a result of our faith. Not a stipulation. We work because we love God, not because we have to to be saved. Do not belittle the work yhat Jesus did on the cross.
Amen
I know evangelicals have been trying to convince themselves of that for ages now, but it's flat out incorrect. James 2:22 could not be more obvious, "as a result of the works, faith was perfected." A perfect faith is a *result of works*, which is completely the opposite of what you stated, which is that works are a result of faith. That is simply contradicted by scripture. According to James, if faith is perfected (some translations read "completed") as a result of works, then faith is imperfect prior to ones works. Do you suppose you can be saved by an imperfect/incomplete faith?
Does your Bible have a copy of the letters to Romans and Ephesians?
Ok, after you read that there are three possibilities
A-the Bible contadicts itself
B. Justification by faith is right
C. Justification by works is right
If you would pick C, what do you do with Romans, and Ephesians?
Sorry, but those possibilities are not exhaustive, so your point is moot.
ok, then what other possibility is there. You claim that C is correct so you have to explain Romans and Ephesians. I say B is correct so I have to explain James. But it's not as easy as you make it out tobe
I experienced the conviction of sin and then forgiveness and the infilling of the Holy Spirit over 50 years ago. That simple Gospel of Salvation has stayed with me. It has guided, protected and changed me over the years, and I am so grateful to God for sending the Son of God into the world for us rebels and sinners.
Nowhere in Scripture did our Lord endorse or recommend any church/synagogue/movement or denomination. He said, "Follow Me," and that's all we are required to do. If you want to know how the Body of Christ is supposed to behave and represent Him to the world, read the Gospels and the pastoral letters..
We shouldn't get caught up in anything else except our Lord Jesus.
Hank, We love ya Brother! Haters gotta hate it’s what they do! We pray for ‘em and keep moving!
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Faith without works is dead.. works without faith is useless.
James was already talking to Christians...not telling them "how" to be Christians...James was the Pastor in Jerusalem and was talking about Christian walk and works as a Christian...read the whole book of James...I have taught it several time Context is king. Always ask, "who is speaking; to whom is he speaking; when is he speaking". All the bible is for us...not all the bible is about us. Learn to rightly divide the word of truth! Cody, do your works always match your faith? Exactly...guess you are lost!
True brother, James also says this interestingly enough. Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21. James just said that the word, is able to save your souls! Our righteous works are like filthy rags, and cannot gain favor with God. The works James refers to is the natural outflow of true faith. Also James is contrasting about general faith in God, i.e. even demons believe. This is not the same works of the Law that Paul talks about, which is mosaic law sacrifices etc.
Yeah but works are ordained by God for the saved people to do, not for carnal people to do them, thinking they will be saved.
But you can’t exercise “true religion’s” works without faith.
I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. In other words if you fail to get baptised or take holly communion you will get lost or go to hell. That is exactly why I left Eastern Orthodox. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank is dancing arrround and need to do his home work.
Very well put, Mr. Hanegraaff!
hank was very sneaky and cherry picking READ what PAUL wrote in Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
I just can’t trust Hank. Something doesn’t sound right. I see a deceiver here- wake up people and read your dusty bible
@@MrMfloor C'mon. The Bible isn't the issue. The interpretation is the issue.
If reading the Bible were sufficient, would there be so many different points of view in the Protestant world? Would there be Pentecostals that believe in the Trinity and Pentecostals that don't? Would there be Christians that believe in eternal security and Christians that don't? Would there be so many different eschatologies? Would there be Christians that believe that the Ancient Church teaching of the Eucharist is true and other Christians that say it's just a memorial?
See what the Church Fathers have taught since the beginning. Read "The Orthodox Church" by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware and "The Shape of the Liturgy" by Dom Gregory Dix.
You, sir, have such a kind and humble spirit. Thank you for showing how to confront others in love and patience.
But he only confronted MacArthur because MacArthur confronted him. Hank had to take a stab back at JM and his Calvinism out of spite. Just because he said it calmly doesn't change the motive. I thought it was childish.
Eastern Orthodox Church is the ancient Church that Our Lord Jesus Christ founded with Apostolic Succession till nowadays,keeping intact the doctrines without inventing new ones and thousands of martyrs and saints...there is no gap till the Reformation(!) as the protestants wrongly believe.
Bravo Hank,you were brave and humble enough to accept the enlightment of the Holy Spirit that guided you to Lord's true and Only Church...Thousands of protestant and Roman Catholics convert to Orthodoxy,even whole cogregations with their pastors...Re-Evangelism of America ...Glory toGod...Δόξα τω Θεώ
What a blessing to see theosis at work in this response!
Faith alone save, this brings the new person and spontaneous good works follows worked through the Holy Spirit.
what is faith? Is it a noun or a verb? Its rendering is a verb...its an action. How did Abraham believe God? By leaving his father's house when told. The act of leaving(work) was the expression of his faith, as was the act of offering Isaac(work). Thats why James said Faith without works is DEAD(a non-existant thing). Its in your Bible.
@@chrisv.noire.6388 But many times if not recorded more abraham failed to believe God. Yes faith is an action... But that also is a work of God. A gift. It is not our faith OR works that justify alone. Rather its the object of our faith which good works flow out of that we are justified. Christ justifies ALONE. One is justified by having faith in the One who justifies. But that faith is created by God not conjured up by man. God prepared good works before hand so that we would walk in them. For it is God who worls in us to both will and do His good pleasure.
@@chrisv.noire.6388 If our salvation was based on works alone God would require perfect works to be justified. If on faith alone which is a work then we would have to have a perfect faith to be justified. We are justified by the object of our faith/works alone.
@@chrisv.noire.6388 Paul teaching the Gentiles the church the body of Christ Romans the 4th chapter.
If this was true then James inspired by the Holy Ghost wouldn't have written "the faith is not able to save him" (James 2,14) or "we are justified by works and not by faith alone" (James 2,24).
One Coin, Two Sides
James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they complement each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like.".... Works is the result of the Faith "FIRST"
But do you still think we are justified by faith alone?
Ephesians 2:10 speaks about our ability to do good work because we are created IN Christ Jesus for them.
Thank you Hank. I teach original Antiochene theology online. I have been blessed to receive some ancient documents (Greek) from a 100+ year old Antiochene teacher three years ago. I invite fellow Christians to check out our findings. Thanks again for all your work for the Lord. ~ eric
God bless you, Hank! Greetings from Orthodox Serbia!
What I would like to ask John MacArthur is "What about all the Catholic and Orthodox people who lived hundreds of years ago and never heard of the TULIP? Where did they go when they died?
Thank you Hank for being wise and patient.
Hank, we love you. Welcome home.
“A RAG was placed on his head...” typical McArthur ad hominem
@Robert Shipley .... my thoughts entirely
Robert Shipley down to a tee.
Yeah, I was kind of annoyed by that too.
Ya for someone who is always saying grace and grace alone, he has a hard time showing grace to others.
The ugliness of these minds is beyond depressing.
I have loved the teachings of John MacArthur for years, and believe we need his passion for the truth, but that passion sometimes tilts him to expressing himself in an unkind way. The love with which Randy Alcorn addresses his remarks about Paula White was so balanced and loving. You, here, are doing the same. I am so grateful for Christian leaders who sharpen each other without cutting. May our dear brother, Dr. MacArthur, learn this from you.
4Given Embracd thanks for your affirmation, when I first heard JM years ago, I was impressed with his solid preaching but was put off eventually by his aloof, cold and unloving approach in his presentation! It repels me instead of attracting me, so that’s a criteria that I take to which preacher I can listen to. This is just my personal feelings, I have no animosity towards JM and wish him the best in his ministry , may the Lord leads him to the best way to glory only God Himself!😀🙏✝️
Joseph Lee, I think he seems cold and aloof at times because he is so focused on speaking the truth to the error that’s so rampant in the heretical messages within Christendom, that he gets caught up in correcting it, and doesn’t express the tenderness he does have in his heart. I’ve read and listened to his teachings most of my 50 years on this journey with God, and I’ve seen so much deep, authentic tenderness. It seems to get lost somewhere between his heart and his mouth, though.
I can be the same way. For me - I’m not inferring it’s like this for John MacArthur - I get so indignant when I hear someone misrepresenting Jesus, or Christianity in general, or when someone gives a message contrary to biblical truth, touting it as God’s word, that God often has to remind me, “let the love come out.” It’s okay to correct lies, but we need to keep in mind that though Jesus was harsh with the Pharisees, He knew whose hearts would never turn to Him after correction; we don’t. Harshness turns away. His “kindness leads to repentance,” and I think that’s what we’re commissioned to show.
But when unbelievers say that Christians aren’t like Jesus because they aren’t nice, or because they call out sin, it proves that they prefer we are sugar, not salt like Jesus called us to be. They forget that Jesus turned over a few tables, made a whip ... and used it. Even He wasn’t always The Nice Guy in the world’s eyes.
JM reminds me a lot of Paul, who often sounded harsh in his messages. If you read one of Paul’s epistles in tandem with one of John’s epistles, the dichotomy in tone is palpable, and yet, which one was speaking the truth in love? Both, right? What would we do without each of them? Without both together? Thank God He didn’t use just one person to write all the epistles; we’d surely be idolizing him! 😆
what a humble answer... God bless you
How rare is it to see a man of such deep "evangelical" protestant background respond to Christ in the Orthodox way. Congratulations wholeheartedly. Through the intercession of Theotokos may Christ bless you and your family. Kyrie eleison, Kyrie eleison, Kyrie Eleison!
Why because the intercession of Christ and all the moaning of groans by the holy Spirit isn't enough, you still need the intercession of someone else?!
@@jewess8755 do you not pray for your friends, family and beyond? Surely our fathers and mother's in the faith who live in the presence of God pray for us continually. The church does not stop praying for it's own, ever
Full-stop, we need the prayers of the faithful.
@@FreshDonuts What you didnt understand my statement? Did you get because the Holy Spirit and Christ pray and interceed for us that we ourselves dont need to pray? Oh no you cant be that spiritually dead.
I know what spirit you are of, divisiveness in contention. Away with you!
@@jewess8755 Traditionally, Christians believe that when a person within the faith passes from this life to the next they are not dead. Those in the church who have entered eternity continue to pray for those of us who are living in the world. I'm sorry this seems to have been misunderstood, I don't think English is your primary language or you must be using translation software guaging by your response.
Your initial comment was criticising the person who asked for the prayers of the Holy Theotokos, I was merely demonstrating how reasonable and integral to Christian faith this is. Christians pray for one another, especially those who live with Christ in eternity.
FreshDonuts I am glad you put it this way. It makes the error more apparent. Comversing with the dead is forbidden by scripture.
Thank you Hank for honoring Christ the Lord as holy and providing an explanation for the reason of the hope that is in you.
Satan comes as an angel of light and so do his human ministers. HH is Satan's minister.
Jeff Hughes // Nice quality argument you’ve made there. I can also accuse you of looking pretty and being Satan’s minister, and I would have just as good and reasonable of a statement as you made two months ago.
Jeff Hughes Thanks!
The love you show our brother is an inspiration.
May we all be committed to the essentials of Scriptures and unity in the body of Christ.
May we also continue to be kind to one another as we continue to engage for the benefit of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
Thank you for this well and kindly articulated response to a fellow brother-in-Christ 🙏❤️
I think we all need to be very careful about throwing curses around within the body of Christ. Beware your own vanity (everyone) that hides in the guise of “being right”
i agree...we need to respect eachother...and humble ourselves. we all think WE of course are correct.
Marque Markofthebeast - Can you be specific and say who the people are you are calling "Freemason faggots"? This could certainly take in a huge category of those that have a form of religion by lack the power therein. Being led by the wisdom of men and Satan is a fearsome prospect.
John MacArthur Has no clue what he's talking about....He must have never read faith without works is a dead faith..!!
Macarthur is warning the flock of wolves as a faithful pastor must do because he will have to answer to God one day! I’m sorry but Hank is so lost! He needs to be regenerated! This a lost man ! Don’t be deceived
@@MrMfloor please explain how he is lost!
Faith without works is dead. It's disheartening when Christians create unnecessary chasms between themselves over misunderstandings of varying interpretations of scripture. I can imagine how it looks to non believers who are already skeptical.
I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. In other words if you fail to get baptised or take holly communion you will get lost or go to hell. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank need to do his home work.
No, the Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians are very different and growing farther apart every day. You should study more.
@@Bleakfacts In terms of actual dogma, they are basically identical; the only actual difference is the power of the Supreme Pontiff. As for cultural differences - yeah, there's a gap.
The Supreme Pontiff is a gigantic difference which constantly spawns crimes or offenses against all, and new dogma, like original sin, purgatory, the crusades etc.. Filioque in itself isn't such a horrible heresy, but more of a symptom of having papal supremacy which poisons everything. A new great heresy of the roman church, is that just about any christian can be part of the roman church regardless of what they believe so longs they submits to the pope. We see this with byzantine catholics that oddly have retained some orthodox theology, that would have resulted in excommunication or death not so long ago.
@@Bleakfacts (I take it you're Orthodox)
But technically, you guys don't disagree with Catholics on any of the issues you listed (With the exception of the Crusades - Innocent III DID excommunicate those crusaders who disobeyed his orders and sacked Constantinople. We ARE sorry.) Regarding Original Sin - you believe in a privation of sanctifying grace as well. Regarding Purgatory - you pray for the dead too. Even the Filioque - which only pertained to the Latin Rite - is a doctrine commonly held among the Fathers and in Sacred Scripture, and if I recall correctly, the late Patriarch of Constantinople took no issue with an interpretation of the text that held the Holy Spirit as proceeding THROUGH the Son while still proceeding from the Father as the ultimate principle.
Regarding papal supremacy itself, I always point to the Quartodeciman Controversy and St. Victor I as early evidence of papal supremacy, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
Very gracious & sincere!
Hi Hank. I am so thankful for your vlog. I am drawn to Eastern Orthodoxy and am going to the local Orthodox Church this week. I was brought up in a strict Southern Baptist home and became Catholic before my marriage. I have been disappointed in the Catholic Church with regard to the sex scandals and feel Eastern Orthodoxy offers us more of a mystical experience of Christ. Would you agree with this? Thanks!🧚♀️
There are significant differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy which Hank explains in the following article…
www.equip.org/questions-answers-orthodoxy/
See also…
www.spreaker.com/user/hank-hanegraaff/hank-s-testimony-a-personal-look-at-hank
www.spreaker.com/user/hank-hanegraaff/hup-episode-001
www.equip.org/article/left-christian-faith/
Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants can speak of mystical experiences, which are to be distinguished from pagan forms of mysticism. CRI has a research letter on Christian mysticism which can be requested by messaging the main office using this online form: www.equip.org/contact/
Warren Nozaki
Research
P.S. Hank normally has the CRI team tend to the messages on RUclips.
JoJo...........Jesus was prophesied to come and conquer Rome.......see Daniel 2: 34-45.......and He did.........via the Church/Gospels.
Jesus came and died for sinners; never forget that. Blessings !!!
Really thankful this popped up in my recommended video's. I've just watched Francis Chan, Hank and M Yohan discuss unity in essentials, liberty in non-essentials, and charity in all things in a podcast series. These judgmental words by John MacArther were handled with such grace and truth and love, thank you for your continued testimony Bro Hank. Coming from an anabaptist tradition, I'm starting to think we might have more in common with the Eastern Orthodox brethren than we do with our "fellow western protestants / evangelicals". I recently read Scot McKnight's book "King Jesus Gospel" and I would have to agree with him, that western evangelicals have traded in the true evangelos for a soteriological gospel which focuses on "abstract theology" of the method and process of salvation than it does in how to live out our theology; love for God, love for neighbor. May the God of grace help each of us to bear His image.
MacArthur didn't say the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic churches had the exact same doctrines (plural). He listed a specific doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church, quoting Decree #3, which says that salvation is not by faith alone but faith plus works. Then MacArthur said the Catholic Church has the exact same doctrine (singular). And he was 100% correct.
Saved by Grace the Catholic Church teaches we're saved by our own good works plus faith? That's weird, because the Council of Trent actually said this:
"Canon 1.
If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.
Canon 2.
If anyone says that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may be able more easily to live justly and to merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he is able to do both, though with hardship and difficulty, let him be anathema.
Canon 3.
If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema."
Keith P., canons 1-3 do not teach salvation by grace thru faith (sola fide), and the Council of Trent damned everyone who believed sola fide. It reaffirmed salvation by faith and works, including performing Catholic rituals and obeying Catholic leaders.
If you're in the Catholic Church because you think it teaches sola fide, I urge you to read the whole Council of Trent document carefully because it says the opposite of what you think it does.
sakor88, how am I the "most vocal and sure of [myself] critic"? I simply pointed out that Hanegraaff made a mistake about what MacArthur said.
And he clearly made a mistake because MacArthur said he was talking about one particular doctrine, but Hanegraaff thought he was talking about all doctrines then gave examples of different doctrines.
Saved by Grace you are right. The orthos and the catholics muddy justification by this failure to rightly divide (to use the old terminology) or distinguish Scriptural doctrine. Why would Hank endorse or join or think he needed this? We have nothing in our hand if we believe, our believing is a work of grace, of His own will our Father gave us new birth. We exist as new creatures through his doing. Our willing is full of contingency and only genuine when we realize it is His willing and Christs willing for us that is sure
sakor88, you’re wrong,
“1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
Romans 4:1-6
Very well said Hank I did understand what John was trying to get at and I think those that maybe aren't far along in there learning that it may get confusing I believe we are very blessed to have both of you teaching I've listened to both of you for years thank you
brilliant, loving, reasonable response. Great job, Hank!