DPReview TV: A look back at the Canon 1D and Nikon D1H
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2019
- 2019 is DPReview's 20th anniversary year, so we decided to take a walk down memory lane and shoot with a couple cameras that helped usher in the digital era for pro photographers: The Canon EOS 1D and the Nikon D1H. Join Chris and Barney for some camera nostalgia as they take these former flagships for a spin around Seattle.
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What a fun video! As a younger photographer I enjoyed learning about older cameras!
Please more of those videos ;)
it really helps to enjoy our current gear and realizes how how even old camera can take great pictures.
Well said my man. I Fully agree
Kind of missing Jordans take on the video capabilities... :-D
"Hi everyone! It's Jordan here to talk about the video capabilities of these cameras. .... And that wraps up my findings. Back to you, Chris!"
Well the D1H shoots full hd video. 1 frame at a time, so
Those colors still look good, hard to beat CCDs in that area.
The D40 was lovely for that.
CCDs offer way better colour performance (than CMOS) imho. CMOS wins on noise performance, power performance and mp...
I would love to see more of these "Look Back" videos. I recently acquired both a Nikon D1h and a D1x. They are both surprisingly still quite capable. I love early high end digital technology. More like this one please!!!
I still use the 1Ds classic with a 50mm 1.4 USM. Image quality is still superb. Maybe a challenge with old school full frame digital cameras will be in sight.
I still have my D1X, it can use most of my lenses too. My D1X still takes great photos and has a 1/16,000 top shutter speed.
Looking forward to Jordan's review of 20yr old video equipment☺
I’ve got a Nikon D1X which I still use. I bought it second hand and had the rear LCD replaced by Nikon. It works fine at approx. 5MP and there are plenty of lenses to chose from. I guess it was a little more advanced than the D1H. So side by side with the D5 I do get quite a lot of comments....especially ‘why?’ I do it. My quick answer is: Nikon’s are all built like a tank and can take a real beating without giving up. My camera is battered, bruised and a real grafter’s tool but has never disappointed. Yes, it is only 5MP but it’s ok for images which only go online or I needn’t print larger than 8x10in.
Also worth mentioning that Nikon's early pro DSLR's have great compatibility with their old manual focus lenses. I have a D3 and an F4 and they work like twins.
Agreed! I bought a very nice old Nikon D1X as a "truck camera" just to play around with, but have had so much fun with it that it now wears an even older screw-drive AF Nikkor 24-120mm f3.5-5.6D as the walk-about lens of choice. I shoot RAW only, and with Lightroom and Photoshop's 10.5MP upsampling, the D1X images are very surprising. The speedy auto-focus and that Swiss bank vault F5 shutter are icing in the cake. Just make sure you have extra batteries and keep the ISO at 800 or less.
that ending though haha, awesome
😂
This episode was so retromantic - the cameras, the music and the two guys taking these sweet photos of each other and the city ;)
Idk what it is about you but i just love your video reviews and whatever you come out with. I came over to dpreviews and only watch this channel now.
This video needs 100% more of "that being said".
Congrats Chris, Barney and Jordan; this was an excellent video. It's nice to step off the technical merry-go-round once in a while to see just how far we've travelled.
The shots that you got out of this shoot were great (particularly liked that portrait of Chris against the red and blue wall!). It was mentioned in the DPReview comment thread, but it'd be cool to add these two cameras to the studio comparison scene!
I loved your unsung camera series, glad to see you keep going on
I moved from the Nikon D600 to the Fuji XT-1, Sony A7R2 and now use an A7R4 for my professional work. For my personal photography I use a Sigma SD Quattro H, Sigma Dp2 Merrill and a Sigma DP3 Merrill. Given my penchant for "unicorn" cameras, a friend suggested I get a Canon 1d Classic to experience some incredible CCD colors. I was skeptical of the 4MP resolution coming from the A7R4. Even the Merrill and SD Quattro H are pretty high resolution cameras. Since I started shooting with the 1D my eyes have been opened to what pretty much everyone in photography talks about which is the "Canon Color". Absolutely loving my time with this legend. Let me know if you would like to see some of the images I've shot with the Canon 1d and I'll share the files with you. This is easy enough because a RAW file is barely 3 Megabytes! :)
Yes! More retrospectives! I always enjoyed this subject and Barney was a great addition to this.
incredible, how well these old machines performe.
Crazy how fast time flies and technology advances. I’ve still got my Nikon D200, still a great camera. I’ve had it since 2010 and it was already 5 years old then!
I don’t get it... the D1H can handle any nikon lens you mount on it. Must be a firmware issue.
Love the video, guys! Always good to remember how fortunate we are with the current crop of cameras.
Wow this was a great look back at this cameras. Love seeing how the tech has changed over the years. Also very true statement by Chris at the end haha
3:14 "My battery is dead!" This sounds like every mirrorless user in 2018/19
Full disclosure: I am now shooting mostly w/ a Fuji X-T2 while my D700 and lenses gather dust. I checked the battery on the Nikon after 6 months of storage: still 800 shots left.
Checked XT-2 after an afternoon of shooting. One bar left on battery.
Guys, I still have my 1D!
I had a 1D mk. III, what an amazing camera. Superb handling an build quality. Just a little low resolution compared to modern cameras.
Yes!!
Btw I love your videos as well as Chris and Jordans, Hugh 👍 We Camera Enthusiasts live in great times with all these high quality camera related RUclips channels. Keep up the great work 💪
Peter Beyer Holm Thanks, Peter!
Hugh, that should be the title of your next video - followed by 10 to 20 minutes of your soothing voice.
Awesome I love Seattle! I love my modern cameras but I just got a Canon 1D II N and I’m quite enjoying snapping photos with it
Great video and perspectives, even the music is pretty good. I have an issue nevertheless:The only lens that works? It will better to say that if the modern lenses only the E lenses don’t work.all the G and D lenses work.
I learned a lot from this video. Before you leave the house make sure your lenses are compatible with your camera, your batteries are charged, and you’re familiar with the camera’s menu system. And stop complaining! Oh, and that we have cameras today that are absolutely fantastic!
Old gear, especially old digital gear, is so fun. I'd love to see you guys put out some more of these, especially about cameras that are 6-10 years old that you can get for pretty cheap now. That's my favourite stuff!
nice idea to look back at iconic cameras
I decided to pick up a D1X as a “cheap camera challenge” type camera and I honestly can say the files coming out of it are stunning for such an old camera with a lot of drawbacks. Autofocus yeah it’s not the most reliable but it does the job, some lenses you can’t use with it, memory cards kind of not the easiest to find, and it has a weird quirk once you get to 24 images where it has to waste a few frames then start capturing them again similar to putting in a new roll. But the benefits of this camera are pretty insane as well. Stunning colours, 1/16,000s shutter speed which blows my mind, and best of all has gotten me out of my habit of looking at the back screen and relying more on my knowledge. It has been one of the best and worst cameras I’ve ever used
I love this kind of content where for a change, it isn't about the latest gear.
Fun vid! I like the colors of Chris in the "properly" exposed shot. I still shoot my similar vintage Olympus E-10 because I like CCD for some stuff.
Very fun video, its always nice to look back on older tech. My 1st dslr was the 350D from canon, but my 1st digital camera was a HP photosmart 435the size of a chunky mars bar, 3.1mp, no manual controls, but coming from a canon av-1 35mm film camera, the digital allowed me to experiment in the lightroom, which i had never done until 2001, but it was so much fun to instantly see the images, share them, edit and print them. We now take digital photography for granted so much, and to see how far we have come in 20 years is a bigger leap than any time period during film, the only really big innovation was autofocus and maybe ISO detection, but that was really it, but the digital are has given us so much more in such short space of time, and yet we still want more!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video and fabulous content guys 👍👍
When you think how much we moan these days about the technology being offered, single card slots on Nikon z as an example, it makes you realise that we have now is fantastic. I would love to see more like this 😀
So cool! I have just got out my Nikon D200 from the Pelican case last night, coincidentally 😁
At 3:00, the sensor used by Canon in 1D is not even Canon's. It is a CCD imager from Panasonic.
Great segment, keep these videos coming :)
Loved this. Had a similar nostalgic memory trip recently when I looked at my brand new Z 6 next to my first DSLR, the D40x.
What a difference in technology 12 years makes but the basic handling is still very "Nikon" familiar.
Those older CCD sensors had gorgeous colors.
Awesome, guys! I've really enjoyed the show. Greetings from Brazil.
Large sensor, large optics, always good. How are the sensors before anti-bad pixel treatment though?
The photos mostly looked great at 1080p that I watched the video in. Interesting stuff. I didn't get into DSLRs until 2005 with the Pentax *ist DS. The DPreview article on the camera was a big reason I bought it over the original Canon Rebel. Great work guys (both past and present). I want to eventually make a video on my second digital camera that I still have (a 2mp Canon Digital Elph S200 digicam), but I'd probably have the same battery issue you guys were experiencing with your cameras. It will be fun to try at some point regardless.
I enjoyed the appropriate dig at our healthcare system.
Thanks for sharing. I just picked up a D1H with a 200mm lens. I wanted some old school fun in learning the techniques. Just a hobby but your pic results give me hope.
me gustaría ver tus fotos con este equipo.saludos
Did you use the music from Manos: The Hands of Fate? That sax sounded familiar.
What an excellent pairing of Chris Nichols and Barney Britton! I always enjoy these 'retro' series of reviews, Chris's F4 review (under another guise) was directly responsible for me buying one!
Barney, came from the stable of Amatuer Photographer (a weekly, UK based, photographic magazine), his tenure of technical writing in the mid 2000's were always excellent, and a worthwhile read.
I look forward to seeing this pair doing more of the same and, to see both these guys future reviews of new equipment - in front of the camera. Photographic Nirvana - Well Done!
They came without batteries for the Canon, and with a wrong Nikkor. Somehow I miss here the reason for the use of the predicate "excellent," considering that they are being paid for the work.
@@ThomasHalways This is a standard production technique to portray these (so called errors that you've identified) as a visual narrative, that draws ones attention to the misgivings of their particular camera's battery life, or the fact that modern lenses are lost on these aged beauties.
I am really quite surprised that you were not aware, or indeed, able to identify this standard production technique, prior to commenting.
Then again, I could have made this entire statement up! Looks like you might have to do some research on this [now]...
Steve: I am sorry, but this is absurd. I am the one who could write back to you the same words. Modern lenses are not necessarily lost on the aged bodies. This is mostly an issue with Nikkor's, because Nikon kept their mount since, what, 195ies, and kept adding partly purely mechanical extensions, such as AI, AF, lately the 'E' series and the AF-P focusing. And every Nikon user knows that, and keeps the compatibility matrix in mind.
To summarize: Lets simply agree to disagree. Compare this video to Matt Granger's video about the F6 and B/W film used to recreate the poster shot of the movie "Million Dollar Baby." That was excellent!
@@ThomasHalways1. You have managed items out of context. 2. Agree - yes. 3. Disagree - always. 4. Are you Matt's manager ?
Great job, look forward to more !
Congrats DPReview on your successful 20th year :) I still have my Canon 1ds Mark II & my dad uses it . Just using the after market batteries. It does lock up the shutter sometimes :) But the 16MP photographs are really nice :)
Was a really fun watch!
Excellent video guys. Please take up the 1Ds on your bench since it is the first full frame Canon dslr, I have one and I love all of it's 11mp.
Grear retro episode - I`m looking forward to more of them. And at some point in time the cameras will also have video features so I guess Jordan has some nice videos to show in 144p ;)
I'm just starting to collect vintage Nikon Pro cameras. All the quirks are what make using these vintage cameras so much fun, and these can be bought really cheap and used for photo projects. Sometimes you have to learn to have fun with your photography. Collecting these old cameras is one way to do it.
Thanks - great video. Still have a fondness of my early digital cameras from 3 to 7 mp. The thing that got me into digital was when I borrowed a Kodak DC215 - 1mp with a fixed focus 2x zoom lens that was never in focus for infinity!!!! Still, it demonstrated the potential of digital. The DC215 was released in the latter part of 1999. Cannot believe - 20 years ago. I bought my own digital camera a couple of years later.
Great video guys!
Can you review some old Sony Digital Mavica cameras? Both in floppy disk and cd formats.
I still have my Pentax K100D, love it and still use it. I love the shutter sound!
my first digital camera was a canon 1d. had it for a long time. ive been eyeing the 1dsiii to backup my a7iii.
Makes me appreciate my Nikon D7100 even more!
Wholly wonderful video!
Thanks for your insight! Looking into an M50 as my first canon
I had one of those compact Fuji Finepix cameras on the table in the beginning!
I still use a Canon 1DsMKII for head shots in my studio to this day. The camera has paid for itself many times over, but that initial $8k outlay in 2004 was a tough pill to swallow! Fun video, guys!
Although the first model has the crop factor but also the best color from ccd
I know a professional who used a D1H right up until 2017. Eventually having to buy a new camera (D800) simply because his D1H finally died on him. Used it for far too long and was well worth upgrading before he actually upgraded. However he is the reason I purchased one and I can tell you right now not having all of the modern features on it really gives me a sense of “I have to do this right in camera or else”. And yes after using his new camera he’s glad the D1H finally died
I really enjoyed that. I actually had both of those cameras back in the day. I was shooting semi-pro and I was struggling with my D1H locking up while “chimping” so I decided to switch to Canon after using a borrowed 20D and being so impressed. I bought the 1D because I wanted a pro-body and it took a long time to get used to how bad the colors were in that camera. I basically replaced it with a 20D for that reason a year later. You could have posted those photos without saying which camera and I would have guessed every one correctly. The D1H images are so much more enjoyable to look at. Canon got everything right with image quality with the original 5D but it was a dreadful camera to actually use, same as the 5D MKll. Thankfully the 5D MKlll finally got it all correct. My favorite camera I ever had was the 1Ds mklll. If I could do it all over I would have stuck with Nikon for their beautiful color and just not have had the perfect Camera until the D3. Oh well. Great nostalgia
Good fun! Great idea.
In 2013 i bought an 1d2 and i sold it in 2015 because i did not use it that much, but when i look to the shots that i took with that 8mpix monster... man they look great and it is such a fantastic sensor, i never used the original 1d but that 1d4 pictures ... it is hard to believe that it only are 8mpix!
Will there be any day in the future where you guys review Film stocks or film cameras? Analog is as beautiful as Digital! :)
Fine job guys!
I shot sports with both of those cameras. I favored the Nikon at the time. I was really happy with the 1D Mark II and still have it on a shelf alongside my old Canon F1, a true beast of a film camera.
Using these cameras taught me a lot about photography than any smart phone ever could.
Who knew that using a real tool for the job would be better right ? Yes, I was sarcastic.
I learned on a Pentax K100D with the kit lens and a 40mm f/2.8 "Limited" pancake lens. The smartphone generation is missing out on real depth of field and manual control dials.
A very important omission about the Canon 1D of 2001 with 4.15 MP is the mechanical shutter. The mechanical shutter of the Canon 1D, the first Canon digital SLR, could shoot at 1/16.000th sec. So fast fast mechanical shutter speed doesn't exist even today. In the past Minolta had film cameras with 1/12.000th sec mechanical shutters but that didn't continued with digital SLR cameras.
Probably the 1/16.000th sec mechanical shutter wasn't reliable for thousands of photos.
Also it is mentioned that the digital Contax N digital of 2000, the first full frame digital SLR camera, had a native ISO 25. 14 years later Nikon introduced a camera with ISO 64 which could be expanded to ISO 32 not even close to ISO 25.
However the quality of the Contax digital sensor was very inferior to film but wasn't a surprise for that era.
I really enjoyed this video. As a newspaper photojournalist is the early 2000’s I had two issued Nikon D1H cameras. I loved, and hated them. They were tough, rugged, dependable cameras with a super high flash sync!!!! The battery life was horrible though, and if you fudged the exposure your image was nearly worthless. The center focus point was the only reliable one, and I developed a habit (that is still have) of focusing and recomposing as if it were a rangefinder. One interesting thing about the original Nikon batteries (while on assignment and deadline) that when they went dead you could squeeze about 10-20 more shots out of them by pulling the battery out and slamming it back in a few times **not recommended **. As decent as the D1H was, I kept a Nikon FM2N as a backup though.
what camera should i use to take a professional profile picture for a online website .
I finally found a good deal on a 1D ($100 for one in very nice shape) and jumped on it and wow, It's still a very usable camera in 2020. Granted my daily shooters are all pretty old (1Ds Mark II and 5Dc) but it's surprisingly responsive and usable for a camera as old as it is. One quirk I found is that it completely refuses to autofocus with the aftermarket lenses I have (most of the Tamron G2 zoom line). Must be a firmware thing. One thing I find absolutely amazing is the 1/16000th sec max shutter speed using an electronic shutter. That sounds like something you'd expect of a camera today and this was in 2001. Also with that comes crazy flash sync speeds. A very impressive camera and one I will cherish and use for as long as I can keep it working!
aqui les dejo fotos con mi nikon d1x.saludoswww.flickr.com/photos/161467308@N03/
I think these cameras are truly impressive. Watching this video on a smartphone the quality really wasn't lacking at all. Is there any other piece of digital gear you can still use 20years later?! Maybe old Nintendos but that's it.
Cameras are old, but the talent of photographers remains...
Pics are superb!
"I wanna get this shot, but I have to get higher, I'll just turn on the live view...🤦♂️ oh yeah..." lol!
That has to be the main updated feature that I know *I* take for granted in camera bodies today.
best episode ever
How about normal size prints, how do they compare to something like a F4 or F5, is the printed image better or worst? ( in terms of image quality)
Now we need a Jordan-only video to get the right balance 😉 Great video guys
That was fun. Keep thinking about firing up my d70 or 100. I'll be darned. It's raining up there.
I've still kept my 1dmk3 and 5D original both still excellent cameras they still look like new. Probably not worth much these days but I'm keeping hold of them. the 1dmk3 is only 10mp but the images are superb good enough for most situations. It's a shame Canon has been left behind in recent years I'm looking to get either the Sony A9 to replace my Canon 7Dmk2 or the Nikon D850 to replace the D7100 it's a tough choice. I've been a frequent follower of dpreview from the beginning when you started thanks for all the reviews and discussions it's been a great hobby.
D850
If you think Canon has been left behind go on over to DPR and look at the images in the Wildlife Photographer of the year article.
D1H and D1X are both good cameras even today the images are useable just the EN-4 batteries are getting hard to find, great video.
there is a aftermarket battery on Amazon for about 30 dollars works well
I know it'll be hard to find, but you guys NEED to get your hands on a Contax N Digital. You'll be one of the only people online to do a modern in depth review of the camera.
I have all these cameras most people dont have a clue how amazing they still are today.
May I request do some film cameras? Preferably 120 films
There's a dose of nostalgia..! Takes me back to 2000, buying a D1h at Focus On Imaging (now The Photography Show in the UK), on behalf of a colleague, costing £3000, so rare was it at the time, the sales assistant offered to walk back to my car with me as security!
My newspaper then bought a couple of D1h bodies, while we were happily shooting colour neg with F5s. Wary of this digital step into the future, we didn't unbox them for a month or so. When one day the film processor machine broke down, I decided to get out the D1h cameras, charge up the batteries, and go digital. One small step for a man...as it were.
The camera was worth more than my company car, so slinging £3k over my shoulder was alarming. A colleague managed to delete all the images from his first job (the phone call went.." this camera is s***! No pictures!! All gone! Looked at them on the screen, now all gone! S***!". Me "you've deleted them. Don't touch 'format' in the menu...").
Covering football matches was one battery per half of the game, and I never went over 1600iso. Skin tones were a bit magenta, but image quality was fine, after all we had no other DSLRs to compare with then, and push processed film as as 'noisy' as high iso D1h files. We had 32mb cards, so I spent £120 (special offer price..) on a 128mb CF card. I still have it, to this day the most expensive memory card I've ever bought. Second most expensive has been a 32Gb UHS-II Sd card bought last year... £28!
Then came the D2h, and then the D3 (I loved that D3...). I left the paper in 2013, a couple of D1h bodies were abandoned in the bottom drawer of the gear cabinet, the F5 was my back up/back up body right until I left the paper. And 20 years on, I'm still a keen reader of DPreview and Barney's old AP mag...
Ah the Eos 1D. I used the mark2 and the 1Ds mark 2 at weddings. I now have a fore arm like Popeye the Sailor Man and a bad back from carrying around such ludicrously large and heavy gear, but boy did I look the part. I was loved by Brides for looking professional and hated by vicars as my camera shutter deafened the congregation. The 1D sensor was almost film like in its colours. Enjoyed them, but much prefer my Fuji’s now.
the 1D's CCD sensor was the closest in colours to Fuji Velvia and Kodachrome reversal films imho. Velvia was a bit more OTT with colours, whereas the Kodak film was more natural imho. 1D was probably close to the Kodak film, but Reds were a bit more punchier imho. ex 1D user (just buying another one now!) and still have my Mark IIn, although it hasn't been used in a good while as it's too heavy for me (lower back injury). I just couldn't resist a good 1D lol, hence the purchase. Always preferred CCD to CMOS, still do.
Cool video guys.
Can dpreview review go pro 7 vs dji osmo pocket?
2gb works fine in the D1 (oddly enough my 512mb CF's don't work for some reason)
MY problem is I can't charge the battery. I got a new battery and I got a AC power plug for it but that does not seem to charge the battery at all. so I guess I need a SEPARATE charger for the battery ??? its NIMH so I can rig something up but grrr where do I get a charger?
Grrrrr turns out the EH4 is JUST an AC power supply and does NOT ACTUALLY charge the battery at all. the battery has a wee little connector on the end of it for a charger to plug INTO. MUST have the MH-15 or MH-16 or MH-17 and those are unobtanium unless your willing to pay it out your ass for one. ouch. $150? not on my life that's for sure.
gonna have to 3d print a module to connect right to the output contacts and use an old RC car battery charger (same 7.2v nimh getup)
hey !!! I noticed the same thing ! 2gb (4gb should also work format FAT) but 512mb No Joy !!
the chargers are UNOBTANIUM !!! MH-16 is usually on ebay but usually for a gross price. IIRC they are NIMH batteries so I am working on an alternative charging scheme even though I have the MH-16 chargers. I have the D1 H and X
NO the affordable AC adapter will not charge the battery. but with a tiny lithium battery box that has an AC outlet you can use that to power and use it till you get a charger.
REMOVE the battery look at the plug end. see that little weird 4 pin hole? THAT is where it charges from.
I've got a computer with Lightroom V1 that will happily process the RAW files from these cameras.. (not sure about the "compressed" Nikon RAW though?)
Raw files from Nikon work with latest version of Lightroom. Was using it today.
Most professional photographers started to switch to digital SLR technology at around 2005.
At around 2000 dSLR cameras were used by professional photographers mostly for sending their digital photos reasonably fast through internet. They could send their digital photos with laptops and the modems of their mobile phones from nearly everywhere. During early 2000 many mobiles phones could be connected to laptops and send emails with attachments at a GPRS speed of around 42.8 kibit/s. That speed looks very slow but the resolution of cameras was low and jpg photos were usually at around 150-400 Kbytes. Similar to the size of most Instagram and Facebook photos today. So for five photos of 400 Kbytes each, 10-20minutes were needed via a mobile phone and a laptop. Something phenomenal then that made digital SLR very popular in photo journalism.
The quality of digital photos from early dSLR cameras was by far inferior to digitally scanned films.
However the development of a film and the additional time for proper scanning with professional scanners require at least one hour if you were close to a photo lab. Something rarely possible.
What that Canon 1D is really lacking is a Touch Bar
doesn't really need it. You get used to the camera and once you've shot with it for a while, it's still ergonomic. I guess new age newbies used to modern gear might suffer, but hey...it's all a learning curve ;-)
@@davepastern it was a joke from 3 years ago when the EOS R came out.
@@reg171reg ah OK. Kind of hard to guess jokes over the Internet. Haven't used or played with a R, can't afford it, but would choose a 1Dx anyway.
I owned both of these cameras along with a Nikon D1x. The files at higher ISO looked more pleasing on the D1h than the 1D, but the 1D was a better camera overall. I liked and enjoyed all three.
I have a 1Ds2 that I still use occasionally. It works like new.
Still use my 1d mk iii as back up.... Great camera.
I just LOVE old digital cameras
And I thought my Canon EOS1d mark 3 and the DS3 were old, they still work batteries are showing their age though after 10 years of hard use and the dynamic range is a bit rubbish now compared to my recent Fuji XT3
I still own Canon 1D. The colors from its CCD are something else.
what Billingham bag ist he using ?