Those BMS have a special firmware installed to prevent theft of the scooter. That is why it cuts out aprox at 30 seconds. You would need to flash non-rental firmware into the BMS. I do still suspect you will need the BLE which is the display that's mounted by the handlebar. The drive also may need to be there.....ALL flashed with non-rental firmware. Not too hard to do but TONS of information on the internet how to do this. I had almost 700 of these spin scooters and reflashed about half of them for resale..... Another trick is to bypas the mosfets all together. I did that after the fuse and was able to pull power without it cutting out....no BMS flash needed. Cheap and dirty. I may buy a few of these from you as I am short batteries at this point.
my plan is to just bypass entirely and use a fuse as well. thinking i could pull 40 amps if i really wanted to since they are 6 p and thats less than 7 per cell
any idea how much current the standard nickel stripping can take? I have half a dozen and am putting two together each to make 72v packs. I know the cells can handle 60amps peak, just not sure if 2 rows of nickel can.
@@GrowDatSolja that's my plan as well. to make 72v packs. any idea how much current the standard nickel stripping can take?. I know the cells can handle 60amps peak, just not sure if 2 rows of nickel can. I'd rather not have to go in and add another layer of nickel, just need a little more than 30 amps
these came from Segway/Ninebot Rental scooters. SNC 2.2 and SNC2.3. Used by Lyft / Spin / Bird 3 / Veo and others . Bring them up to 30v-34 after that you can use a 2 , 3 ,4 amp 42volt charger. EOL sent to recyclers some charge some do not , good for 80 percent of rated value. Sprout recycler in NC process pallets and pallets of these
@@theejoeylee These batteries come from older scooter models SNSC 2.X as it was already mentioned here. Newer scooter models have different batteries, usually 1kWh+, so probably as they are taking out older models of their scooters from the streets, they don't reuse their parts, instead they get scrapped.
These look interesting, I did a DIY solar generator with the R5 and its been working great, I did a video on it and I couldn't have done it without your thorough explanations so thank you
Bms can be bypassed with a stlink v2 and some firmware you can find on the internet, theres also a button on the BMS board that is covered by the silicone potting that wakes the battery.
I split it to 5s to charge it up and got a 2nd K4 charger to charge it up. On 5s just charging at 7.5 amps. Was at 2.5v per cell. Slowly charged it up then up to 2.5 and so on. Only till 7.5 amps charging not sure cell current rating for charging them up. Will be grouping it up for 72v for a Uber scooter motor and scooter swapped out for 3000w. From a 1000w. To 3000w upgrade. I'll see how this will hold up.
ordering some r12s today, think ill just bypass the bms and use a fuse for discharge. going to keep the stock bms for charging so it stays balanced. gonna use it on an e-bike
@johnsherby9130 Do you put out videos?... and if you do, would you put one out with your solution explained/shown VERY clearly. I am looking to do the same (make a cheap ebike & considered these as well), but am not "electrically/electronically inclined" at all. I can follow directions and understand reason especially when shown in detail and explained, and would definitely order these if I had a solution to this default. This is his second video on these same batteries and I was hoping he was going to make a fix.
pretty sure the packs are 10S6P. in my experience, the eve (inr18650/26V) are verry nice cells, around 7.5A discharge, the lg cells from the video are a bit more i think around 10A
Great deal for these scooter batteries. Has anyone figured out how to turn on the BMS and have it stay on - not cycle off again as happened to JG in the video?
Love your videos man. Thanks for all the cool information and demonstration on how to build things up and run diagnostics. I was hoping you don;t mind if I do ask you a question, what kind of solar panel or solar charger would you recommend to charge an AMPED OUTDOORS (brand) LifeP04 Lithium battery 12V 15ah ? I use it for my GMRS radio. So far I do have the charger that came with it, but I would like to get a solar panel that can charge the battery. Very much I appreciate any advice. Thank you
Love seeing the process. I'm still working with the R5 packs that I really like, but if things work out well, I may need to get more involves with the scooter batteries.
Hi! My Segway ES4 batteries also blinked red when under load. I accidentally found out that I was running BMS version 1.3.6 and Segway app prompted me to upgrade to 1.6.0. That solved my problem. Hope that helps you with your bms cutting out issue also.
@africanelectron751 If there is a large demand by you, have you ever given any thought to importing on a large scale (possibly invite friends to invest money /labor)?
@@africanelectron751 Make sure you spell everything out on paper before you proceed, unfortunately people will try to screw you when it comes to money. Also if no demand for batteries, you can buy/find beat up bike's, spruce them up, add the motors & batteries and sell to people who are tired of walking everywhere.
I really want to buy at least one of these but I’m having trouble finding the charger on your site 😭 do you not sell the chargers? If not, what kind does it use?
One of My Ninebot Max is missing a battery. Would this works with it? What is “with cables and without cables” option means? I just need a battery with original cables, nothing cutted off. Thanks
Thanks for the vid. Could you please make a video how to wake up ninebot f40 bms? I have tried many things similar to my solar system bms but none of the methods worked out. All cells have 4.1v although there is no output voltage coming from the bms and it's flashing red. I don't see any reset button. It does not take any charge cuz the battery pack is full. Probably the thermal protection triggered when I left my scooter on the sun for half day. Can you help?
Hi, I just recently joined your channel, I'm far from a pro in this kind of matter but I like it, and want to know more, and learn more. I have the same kind of battry and I have ordered a bms on amazon and want to change it with the original. Is it possible to get a wiring diagram from you if you have one? Thank you upfront Btw love the channel and the vids you make
15,300mAh in 4p config would be 3825mAh per cell, sorry, I call BS. :) Reading the comments below, its way more likely to be 6p and not 4p, with 6p they would need to be 2550mAh per cell, thats more like it.
Dang, first time here since before Covid lol how have u been bro? I was actually thinking of ur genius today 😅 Wondering if u have done a specific type of vid, don’t see it yet 😢 Anyways, hope all is well 🫡
you could put 2 in series for 72 v but fitting it in the bike and upgrading to a 72v speed controller is a whole different story. you would also realistically need like 4-6 of these because a surron can draw a crazy amount of amperage
Would I be able to power up 100 LED's @ 0. 72watts. And what size solar panels would I need. And would it work in extreme cold. I would like to use it to power up small sign boxes up here in Canada. Thanks in advance
Building a 1500w cheap as possible ebike. Plan is to run 2 R12 batteries in parallel. My question is I see you have "with and without Cable". What cable are you talking about? And what does it mean for me?lol
I have a lot of experience with these bms of g30 battery's, they are crap, if they go out they out, you can wake them up but it will die eventually they are very unreliable and will not output continuously if they are from a rental units also they need to be programmed property.. i suggest to just bypass the original bms and put something else, especially if your not gonna use it in the scooter again. P.s bms have a small button press it or hold it, the bms should reset itself. Also there is programming pins. And you are very wrong about rental unit battery, it will somewhat work in a non rental scooter but it will shutdown randomly. The bms needs to be reprogrammed, there is more info on scooter hacking forums. I'm sorry but you have many pallets of annoying problems and the cells ar not that good they mostly around at 1700 mah per cell they usually are very degraded.
If its the same bms hows it working now? The bms is the reason the cell is been classed as degraded ,simply change the bms there a good battery i run and sell the lg cell packs and yet to have a return or prob myself ,i think people are putting way to much of a load on them causeing failure i run 2 in parallel with a compatible bms on 1000 watt ebikes and there good for 35 to 40mph
In the video he tried to test their output but wasn't able to because of lack of communication from scooter control panel to BMS (obviously no scooter). Its left a mystery at the moment. The scooter its from is 350W so Id guess around 10A max. The communication is 4 wire so perhaps its I2C. Would ideally have a scooter and an oscilloscope and can figure out what is happening Edit: Looked around a bit and theres software available to interface these batteries called NineBot IAP. Seems like its a serial interface. When connected you can get battery statistics such as how many cycles they've had
@@fouroakfarm You a god, can i ask if theres software for rental BIRD 590, since this scooter is a okai rental scooter, some of the first scooters coming out.
14amp ,and theres a 28amp newer version that hold the 21700 cells ,aldo mine has a different case aluminium ,i must open it to see if the bms is the same and mine has the same problem,ive only received it and have no charger but theres a light section with a button when i press the button it shows the amount of bars thats charged
I've been trying to purchase batteries from you for the past few years but to no avail. How can one purchase batteries from you?? I would like to possibly buy in bulk. I went to your site and it wasn't helping 🤔
@@jehugarcia FYI when you click on Tested/ Working, the price doesn't change and adding to cart doesn't add the selected version. I tried on desktop and iPhone / iPad.
Those BMS have a special firmware installed to prevent theft of the scooter. That is why it cuts out aprox at 30 seconds. You would need to flash non-rental firmware into the BMS. I do still suspect you will need the BLE which is the display that's mounted by the handlebar. The drive also may need to be there.....ALL flashed with non-rental firmware. Not too hard to do but TONS of information on the internet how to do this. I had almost 700 of these spin scooters and reflashed about half of them for resale..... Another trick is to bypas the mosfets all together. I did that after the fuse and was able to pull power without it cutting out....no BMS flash needed. Cheap and dirty. I may buy a few of these from you as I am short batteries at this point.
my plan is to just bypass entirely and use a fuse as well. thinking i could pull 40 amps if i really wanted to since they are 6 p and thats less than 7 per cell
also i keep the bms on for balance charging
I did the bypass as well and put 2 in series on my pocket bike get up to 60 with no problem haven't had a problem yet
any idea how much current the standard nickel stripping can take? I have half a dozen and am putting two together each to make 72v packs. I know the cells can handle 60amps peak, just not sure if 2 rows of nickel can.
@@GrowDatSolja that's my plan as well. to make 72v packs. any idea how much current the standard nickel stripping can take?. I know the cells can handle 60amps peak, just not sure if 2 rows of nickel can. I'd rather not have to go in and add another layer of nickel, just need a little more than 30 amps
these came from Segway/Ninebot Rental scooters. SNC 2.2 and SNC2.3. Used by Lyft / Spin / Bird 3 / Veo and others . Bring them up to 30v-34 after that you can use a 2 , 3 ,4 amp 42volt charger. EOL sent to recyclers some charge some do not , good for 80 percent of rated value. Sprout recycler in NC process pallets and pallets of these
The real question is why were they scrapped?😊
@@theejoeylee Great question I wonder if anyone will actually answer that? 🤔
@@theejoeylee These batteries come from older scooter models SNSC 2.X as it was already mentioned here. Newer scooter models have different batteries, usually 1kWh+, so probably as they are taking out older models of their scooters from the streets, they don't reuse their parts, instead they get scrapped.
These look interesting, I did a DIY solar generator with the R5 and its been working great, I did a video on it and I couldn't have done it without your thorough explanations so thank you
Bms can be bypassed with a stlink v2 and some firmware you can find on the internet, theres also a button on the BMS board that is covered by the silicone potting that wakes the battery.
Does he look like he can do that to a pallet of hundred of them?
@@Derpherppington I wanna see that :) hehe
Yes, make another video with the new bms! I want to see if you can run an off grid inverter off them.
I split it to 5s to charge it up and got a 2nd K4 charger to charge it up. On 5s just charging at 7.5 amps. Was at 2.5v per cell. Slowly charged it up then up to 2.5 and so on. Only till 7.5 amps charging not sure cell current rating for charging them up. Will be grouping it up for 72v for a Uber scooter motor and scooter swapped out for 3000w. From a 1000w. To 3000w upgrade. I'll see how this will hold up.
you can flash different firmware on the bms, and turn on batt needing info from the controller easiest is prob just changing the bms
ordering some r12s today, think ill just bypass the bms and use a fuse for discharge. going to keep the stock bms for charging so it stays balanced. gonna use it on an e-bike
@johnsherby9130 Do you put out videos?... and if you do, would you put one out with your solution explained/shown VERY clearly. I am looking to do the same (make a cheap ebike & considered these as well), but am not "electrically/electronically inclined" at all. I can follow directions and understand reason especially when shown in detail and explained, and would definitely order these if I had a solution to this default. This is his second video on these same batteries and I was hoping he was going to make a fix.
pretty sure the packs are 10S6P. in my experience, the eve (inr18650/26V) are verry nice cells, around 7.5A discharge, the lg cells from the video are a bit more i think around 10A
Great deal for these scooter batteries. Has anyone figured out how to turn on the BMS and have it stay on - not cycle off again as happened to JG in the video?
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW!!!
Here in italy i found a used ebike battery supplier , about 10 euro for a bosch 400/500/625 battery , after test is 40€/kwh
Love your videos man. Thanks for all the cool information and demonstration on how to build things up and run diagnostics. I was hoping you don;t mind if I do ask you a question, what kind of solar panel or solar charger would you recommend to charge an AMPED OUTDOORS (brand) LifeP04 Lithium battery 12V 15ah ? I use it for my GMRS radio. So far I do have the charger that came with it, but I would like to get a solar panel that can charge the battery. Very much I appreciate any advice. Thank you
I emptied the Delta 2 and plug this in to refill the Delta 2. It charged to 48%. It’s a cheap but inefficient way to expand capacity.
It’s 500wh into 2000wh delta that’s 25%, how you get 48%?
@@jehugarcia Delta 2 is 1000wh, the 2000wh model is with expansion.
oh yeah.... so they have delta 2, DeltaPro and DeltaMax now
Love seeing the process. I'm still working with the R5 packs that I really like, but if things work out well, I may need to get more involves with the scooter batteries.
You at all interested in the new e-motorcycles? Got my first and have another one on order. Great for around town.
Hi! My Segway ES4 batteries also blinked red when under load. I accidentally found out that I was running BMS version 1.3.6 and Segway app prompted me to upgrade to 1.6.0. That solved my problem. Hope that helps you with your bms cutting out issue also.
Watching from south Africa makes me sad because we can't get anything like this here and importing them on a small scale is not a viable option.
@africanelectron751 If there is a large demand by you, have you ever given any thought to importing on a large scale (possibly invite friends to invest money /labor)?
@@charlesd9483 I'm actually thinking of discussing it with my employer... He could invest and provide logistics
@@africanelectron751 Make sure you spell everything out on paper before you proceed, unfortunately people will try to screw you when it comes to money. Also if no demand for batteries, you can buy/find beat up bike's, spruce them up, add the motors & batteries and sell to people who are tired of walking everywhere.
Can this work for m365?? I looking to upgrade to 36v 21ah
Not without some software hacking I supppsed
I really want to buy at least one of these but I’m having trouble finding the charger on your site 😭 do you not sell the chargers? If not, what kind does it use?
Would love to know which power supply this is. I’m located in Germany and could use something like this.
One of My Ninebot Max is missing a battery. Would this works with it? What is “with cables and without cables” option means? I just need a battery with original cables, nothing cutted off. Thanks
some of our batteries have the xt60 cables cutoff
Thanks for the vid. Could you please make a video how to wake up ninebot f40 bms? I have tried many things similar to my solar system bms but none of the methods worked out. All cells have 4.1v although there is no output voltage coming from the bms and it's flashing red. I don't see any reset button. It does not take any charge cuz the battery pack is full. Probably the thermal protection triggered when I left my scooter on the sun for half day. Can you help?
The battery is 10s6p. Not the 10s4p you mentioned.
What are the cells discharge rate?
Hi, I just recently joined your channel, I'm far from a pro in this kind of matter but I like it, and want to know more, and learn more.
I have the same kind of battry and I have ordered a bms on amazon and want to change it with the original.
Is it possible to get a wiring diagram from you if you have one?
Thank you upfront
Btw love the channel and the vids you make
U wont need a diagram as theres a little tag as to were each wire goes so once u find the lowest or highest just go up or down from there 👍
What was the model of those batteries? I replayed it a few time and you say it very quickly and I didn't understand it. Sorry.
think this wouldl work with a ninebot max scooter?
15,300mAh in 4p config would be 3825mAh per cell, sorry, I call BS. :)
Reading the comments below, its way more likely to be 6p and not 4p, with 6p they would need to be 2550mAh per cell, thats more like it.
Thanks
Dang, first time here since before Covid lol how have u been bro? I was actually thinking of ur genius today 😅
Wondering if u have done a specific type of vid, don’t see it yet 😢
Anyways, hope all is well 🫡
Can I use these cells to make a 60 v surron battery?
you could put 2 in series for 72 v but fitting it in the bike and upgrading to a 72v speed controller is a whole different story. you would also realistically need like 4-6 of these because a surron can draw a crazy amount of amperage
It is actually 10s 5p or 6p
Would I be able to power up 100 LED's @ 0. 72watts. And what size solar panels would I need. And would it work in extreme cold. I would like to use it to power up small sign boxes up here in Canada. Thanks in advance
Building a 1500w cheap as possible ebike. Plan is to run 2 R12 batteries in parallel. My question is I see you have "with and without Cable". What cable are you talking about? And what does it mean for me?lol
The cable with the xt60 connector, some are cutoff
makes sense. @@jehugarcia
do the battery deliver to NZ
i want to buy battery holder. anyone knows where can i buy battery holder?
Can someone please tell me what does a steady blue light on the battery means? I think my BMS is busted but I'm not sure.
Fully charged (probably the charge port is disconnected)
Can I use the G30 battery as an Es2 extended battery in parallel via the Es2 extended battery socket?
yes, it might take some work if it gives you error messages but in theory it should work
anyone in aus doing this kind of thing? id love to be able to get deals like this
I have a lot of experience with these bms of g30 battery's, they are crap, if they go out they out, you can wake them up but it will die eventually they are very unreliable and will not output continuously if they are from a rental units also they need to be programmed property.. i suggest to just bypass the original bms and put something else, especially if your not gonna use it in the scooter again.
P.s bms have a small button press it or hold it, the bms should reset itself. Also there is programming pins. And you are very wrong about rental unit battery, it will somewhat work in a non rental scooter but it will shutdown randomly. The bms needs to be reprogrammed, there is more info on scooter hacking forums.
I'm sorry but you have many pallets of annoying problems and the cells ar not that good they mostly around at 1700 mah per cell they usually are very degraded.
When was the pack manufactured?
Mines a lil different but i believe 2021
I have a few of these, I got them working by reflashing the BMS. Would you ship to the UK please?
How much do u pay please
These batteries are from the rental scooters and I've just bypass the BMS and all working now
If its the same bms hows it working now? The bms is the reason the cell is been classed as degraded ,simply change the bms there a good battery i run and sell the lg cell packs and yet to have a return or prob myself ,i think people are putting way to much of a load on them causeing failure i run 2 in parallel with a compatible bms on 1000 watt ebikes and there good for 35 to 40mph
Great deal. How many amps?
In the video he tried to test their output but wasn't able to because of lack of communication from scooter control panel to BMS (obviously no scooter). Its left a mystery at the moment. The scooter its from is 350W so Id guess around 10A max. The communication is 4 wire so perhaps its I2C. Would ideally have a scooter and an oscilloscope and can figure out what is happening
Edit: Looked around a bit and theres software available to interface these batteries called NineBot IAP. Seems like its a serial interface. When connected you can get battery statistics such as how many cycles they've had
@@fouroakfarm You a god, can i ask if theres software for rental BIRD 590, since this scooter is a okai rental scooter, some of the first scooters coming out.
14amp ,and theres a 28amp newer version that hold the 21700 cells ,aldo mine has a different case aluminium ,i must open it to see if the bms is the same and mine has the same problem,ive only received it and have no charger but theres a light section with a button when i press the button it shows the amount of bars thats charged
Hello Garcia can I use them batteries to run a 12v boat motor
It can be done, but why? Use a 12v battery to run 12v devices
when are you making a video on the r13 batteries??
As soon as I figure out a workaround for them
@@jehugarcia cool beans, thanks for the reply
what tester with screen do you use??? 5:20 thanks
4:46 dude....... 4:46
did we find a work around yet ?
Going Green.
4 rows of 15 = 60 cells?. 10s 6 parallel. Just saying.
How do you sale the battery’s
What power supply do you recommend different batteries , how about the one used in this video ?
Can you repurpose them for use in an ev
They can but look at our EV battery packs
@@jehugarcia thanks I'm a beginner, I'll take a look at your ev packs and learn more
I have a Segway max oem battery selling 20 dollars let me nyc area
Isn't 10S6P ?
Correct
Your website says these are 10S6P
Yes they are
Will it fit ninebot f25?
What kind of charger do I need for these batteries?
jag35.com/products/new-42v-1-7a-battery-charger-power-cable-genuine-xiaomi
I've been trying to purchase batteries from you for the past few years but to no avail. How can one purchase batteries from you?? I would like to possibly buy in bulk. I went to your site and it wasn't helping 🤔
If you are in the USA, it’s as easy as clicking on the Buy Now button, if you are outside the USA, I can’t help you.
@@jehugarcia right. So I'm in Kansas and when I click to buy nothing happens. Been like this for a while. I tried to buy several 36v-48v batteries.
Nothing happens?
@@jehugarcia I just browsed your store and it's empty 🤔
Well there you go. That’s why you can’t buy anything, my store is empty.
Do you sell these batteries
Everyday jag35.com/products/r12-36v-15-3a-500w-ebike-battery
@@jehugarcia FYI
when you click on Tested/ Working, the price doesn't change and adding to cart doesn't add the selected version. I tried on desktop and iPhone / iPad.
How do I purchase a battery for my ninebot scooter
Follow the link in the description
Is it still available to buy?
Yes jag35.com/products/r12-36v-15-3a-500w-ebike-battery
How many on 1 pallet,
اي نوع هذي البطاريات وكيف احصل عليها في امملكة العربيه السعودية
Those are probably coming from stolen scooters.
" EV BATTERIES
Sorry, there are no products in this collection"
We are going to lost some today
балабол!!!!!!!!!!!
Балтун ты а не мастер!
*60 cells* was the initial description, then it was 10s4p, or 40 cells. Which is it? @jehugarcia
10s6p