This should be essential. The datasheet continuous discharge current is often a bit optimistic and I've found Battery Mooch does an excellent job giving realistic discharge rates on cells. His Patreon is only $2 a month and worth every cent. He's doing cycle life of Molicel P45B/P50B/Samsung 50S under intense 5-6A charge 25A-30A discharge conditions and its really interesting. All I can say is while the P45B is a great cell the P50B looks to be AMAZING and the Samsung 50S definitely USED to be a good cell for those that needed more than 4-4.5Ah but didn't need the full 20-25A discharge and could settle for 10A to 15A where a lot of 5Ah 21700's just can't handle that....still the 50S gets way too hot. The Molicel P50B is just out of this world if the production cells are anything like the pre production cells he has.
We have few months testing behind us and these battery configurations are killer! Very small voltage sag, very robust torque, don’t heat up as much, perfectly balanced the whole time when charging or discharging with high current. So far looks like a good formula for long term high current use!
To stop the pipe from deforming you should fill the pipe with sand. First bung one end of the pipe with some cloth, i use old overalls, just cut them into small pieces then make a ball slightly larger than the bore of the pipe. Then jam the bung into one end, i use a file with the handle taken off, then with dry sand fill the pipe to the brim. Then with a nylon mallet tap the pipe until the sand compacts and the level of the will fall, repeat until you cant get anymore sand into the pipe. then bung the end of the pipe ensuring you get the bung nice and tight, then when you bend the pipe it will almost be like you are bending solid bar. When you are finished bending pull the bungs out and empty out the sand. If you are still getting a little bit of deformation bend the pipe slightly past the angle you want, then secure one end of the pipe in a vice that is attached to a table that is fixed to the floor. Then get a piece of pipe that fits over the tube you are working with to use as a lever, then pull the bend out to the angle you desire. This will pull out some of the deformation, but be careful not to do too much or the tube will deform the other way. Trust me im a pipefitter that has been bending pipe for over 30 years. And if you have the money, buy a bending machine with a mandrel, that goes inside the pipe that prevents deformation. Happy bending.😊
@@user-neo71665 yes you can freeze water in pipe but it's generally used on small bore pipe, this technique is used when bending brass instruments like trumpets. But it's quite hard to freeze a 6 meter length of 6 inch pipe, you would need a very big freezer. 🙂
You are making the bikes we all want and need. And you are correct about people are making e-bikes like petrol bikes. Wrong way to go about it. You are doing it correctly!!! Keep up the great work!!! Thank you.
Except that on regular bikes there is a reason the riders seat height so high, (mostly engine and frame constraints) on this bike that's not necessary. Lowered center of gravity means better handling. You could also build a chopper out of one of these, and I'm sure they would sell !
All the big companies spend millions on R&D. Here you are a one-man band knocking it out of the park. I'm a big believer that what you are doing is the future. Ladi, you are the best.
Without fenders and longer seat and taillight and head light I won't touch that bike. I have Electric scooters .I ride electric scooter everyday to go to work and back home
The finished product will ship with fenders, lights, longer seat. We work as fast as we can to make it all happen.
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@@ladiandmargaretthat's all fine but you can't attach a rear fender off the back of the seat , which limits you to some fender barely above the tire. it will kill the motocross look. that seat is ridiculous . make something with some padding. I like less is more, but you went so minimal it looks incomplete.
You're so detailed and pragmatic in the process of developing everything you do. The amount research you must have done prior to building must be crazy 😅 I think you found a hole in the market with this one. Electric motorcycle made for taller pople - brilliant!
Hi Ladi! I've been watching you since you started and I really love how you're progressing. I love and support this e-Moto build. Here are the things I would suggest for this specific model: 1. Longer seat 2. Supermoto street tires 3. A modular storage box under the seat which could be used for a lot of things, or an additional modular battery pack in case of emergency. 4. Some signal lights and a headlight would be needed too. I'm rooting for you! Keep up the great work! I hope I can get a unit soon to show my support for your campaign.
I like the idea of the additional modular battery pack. There's so much space that you could easily double the capacity of the current battery and extend the range even further.
Great to see you're not just simply outsourcing it all, if any, to China but rather using local Czechs to do the work. Czechia has great artisans as well as world class steel production, high tech engineering and electronics so I'm not surprised you're doing so well with this venture. I hope you get this great design to the point where you get a saleable and price competitive product.
Finally someone who's using their brain and making an e-bike or motorcycle with decent. I see all these bikes with so much room to just lay in some serious battery power and you're the one doing it!
Pretty Cool 👍 The space under the seat could be converted into a locking 🔒 storage compartment. Also a removable 🔩 bolt on rear rack could be made & bolted on. To support saddlebags or triple bag storage set. If I had the money to buy one, I'd want some storage ootions,like mentioned above, probably a longer seat & also pedals on it for #1 more stealth to blend in as a bicycle & #2 For the ability to pedal in the event of a breakdown. I'm not at all criticizing the build. Just offering some ideas. I really do like the idea 💡 of a metal locking storage compartment under the seat. Have a tough hinge on 1 side & door cover plate. Oh duh 🤪 I started commenting before watching the end of video about the storage compartment idea 💡
Fit a hugger to stop stones hitting your back. Fit a chain guard incase it snapped. Lower seat slightly and make it bigger, be surprised how many people have short legs and like comfort! Looks great fun!
Hey Ladi, congrats on getting the prototype going. Been following the channel over the past few years. Glad to see that you are optaining advanced equipment. That's a sweet plasma table.
Dear Ladi an Margaret, only just found this channel and just wanted to say thank you! this is a really amazing project and I appreciate your thinking and building outside of the normal bike world, who wants normalcy? Sure not me
powdercoat the main frame textured black with bright orange seat tubes or yellow seat tubes. looks nice! Find a way to outsource production in china so your price can be competitive around $6000 usd.
Pure innovation. Your ideas on this vehicle are inspiring. I wish to be involved in this project. DIY bikes do have their own character (I'm a lil more enthusiastic about choppers). You really know what you got. thumbs up! Keep up the outstanding work.
Everyone built a E-roller, E-bike, E-motorcycle, but no one built a E-quad , think about it, i can make a payment right now to pre-order one, by the way, of course you made a great work, that way i hope you will start to built a E-quad someday....🍀🍀🍀
Well done guys!!! I have surron lbx and I am very happy about the emergence of an alternative and competition in this segment! Guys, patience to you, strength and a peaceful sky above your heads! Greetings from Moscow;)
lovely to see a bike designed around its functions rather than echoes of obsolete technology. Looks great as is, no need to paint it, just satin clearcoat. Orange seat is emough colour. Cheers and good luck!
My wife does too, but handlebars are a problem with no hands. Btw no feet either and prosthetic legs which suck off road. Power wheelchair works fine often but gets stuck on 1.5 inch roots.
main color gloss black with larger trim areas in bright gloss red. small hints of standard matte twill carbon fiber everywhere. finally, add tiny amounts of shiny gold trimming down any corners & straight lines. any exposed wiring cover it with "teck flex" red or black with black heat shrink at each end of wire to secure it proper. could market this color combo as a special edition. no chrome, anything that would noramlly be chrome try to make it gold. trust me on this. it has been my go to color combo for my personal custom hobby builds. amazing work & what a awesome looking bike. good luck!
Yes and no, in the racing and frame building industry it is argued about. Yes powder coating is amazing protection but the layer it forms on the outside can hide any cracks that may form in the metal. I think builders preference based on amount of abuse frame will take.
One thing i love about your design is you could easily double the battery if desired. In addition, one thing i would love to see in ebikes/motorcycles is more hubcenter steering.
As a moto lifer (of almost 60 yrs)here in SO CAL, Baja, Desert, MX & 35yrs around the MTB industry & huge lover of the E industry. I can say (you're on to something). (As a suspension guy) it was interesting seeing you figure out the shock needed to be vertical, just like on a motorcycle. A long seat, some fenders and you're done. Love the storage space. Better than panniers hanging off the bike.
Seriously smart design! Absolutely the right approach with form following function. And it looks great too. The only thing I’d like to see is big motorcycle shocks (48mm) full size swingarm and Brembro brake calipers with 320mm or bigger discs. Basically full-size motorcycle components. This bike could definitely handle it!
It’s not motocross category so I won’t be installing motocross shocks. These brakes are poisonous sharp, no need to change at this point. We currently have installed 21 and 18 wheels.
@@ladiandmargaret Shame that, guess someone else will add the components I spoke of then. Still though, your bike has a superb design. Great work👏 I went ahead and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what you do next.
Love it. Please makea follow up video! I hope your kick starter goes well! As far as changes, I think the other comments cover most. 1. Wheel Fenders 2. Offer of different components for gear ratios. 3. I agree with the slightly longer swing arm for road stability 4. By changing the design of the seat frame, I bet you could fit locking helmet storage underneath the seat. 5. Headlights and brake lights. 6. Multiple foot peg mounting points.
Absolutely epic job guys I'm 6'4" 280lbs and cannot find a bike that fits me and can haul my weight. I'd gladly review one for you on my channel! I'll even pay for it!
Well done, young man! Your approach is thinking outside of the box to create a new thought box and show the m.c. community a better way to go electric. the only thing I'd change is to a wider ,more comfortable seat with a lower seat height, I'm a senior citizen, so....👍
being 6"6' I do wish more manufacturer's would cater for us tall guys, as even though my bomber clone is a big bike I've still had to make custom parts to make it fit me more
It comes down to weight. The bigger, heavier and faster they become, the less road legal they are in most place. At one point you might as well just buy a motorcycle.
Hi! Love your content :D I worked as a laser machine operator for 6 years. And I noticed you cutting in a strange order. Always do all the internal cutting first and use one cutting profile for that. Then cut out the frame. This is because the holes will not be precisely located if the part drops down onto the support grid (what we call them). Have a second cutting profile linked to the outer contour so when you fine-adjust the diameters of holes, you don't mess with the body. Hope you understand what I tried to explain :D
I would buy one immediately if the optional painted components had a nice anaglyph design and paint job. Also if you implemented camo designs or even just earthy tone colours and shades to fit the sustainable approach (because it’s all electric) you will be tapping into a huge environmentally friendly market and audience 👏 needless to say i will support this kickstarter project and keep my eyes peeled for an opportunity to purchase my own bike well done! and thank you!
There's sufficient empty space under that seat to install, for instance, twice as much battery, or a battery of similar capacity but a lower cost, less power-dense formulation like LiFePo4.
You make some awesome creations. This is no exception. I’d incorporate a longer seat option, motor, battery & controller cooling. Technology is advancing to now incorporate mechanical gears & ABS. I say this, because in addition to pioneering a new design framework, you may as well pioneer what is truly capable given our knowledge & tools of today’s time. Great products & vision, looking forward to seeing more.
Thank, the battery is overkill and the motor as well. So far we did not even reach temperature close to overheating or causing any issues. We have few ideas for ventilation but I hope we can avoid extra complications and components prone to failure.
I like that the battery is in the lower part of the frame giving you a lower center of gravity for cornering however all that empty space underneath the seat could easily be an extra 50 to 70 miles of range making it a better daily commuter or longer rides but regardless of my opinion it's a beautiful creation that I wish was more my size because I'm only 5'7" but I do need to know what is the final cost?
Anecdote related to your intro: I bought a Yamaha motorcycle from this young guy down in Norfolk, England. He’d used brochure pics but also some actual images of his bike. It was a lovely looking thing, cannot recall the name but it was famously equipped with a very stubby exhaust as standard and had a 600cc version. There was no sense of scale however. And literally once I got it, I realised it was 20% smaller all around than I imagined. Tiny. Lovely bike to ride, operated as a single does. So I sympathise.
honestly the fact that the surron is tiny. is what made them popular. larger and heavier bikes exist but do not give the same confidence. if you really wanted size. you should have gotten the ultra bee or even the storm bee and your 'issue' is fixed. as the storm bee seat height is larger then most gasoline bikes.
I think the best colour scheme for this would be something that scream "sci-fi", I would use the movies "Wall-E", "Oblivion" and "Moon" for inspiration. That is, mostly near-pure white, mid-dark grey and near-black. Also, will there be an LFP option for the battery? I know it would result in less range, but I think the increased number of charges that LFP can endure compared to lithium-ion is a serious advantage in the long term.
@@ladiandmargaret Maybe have three colours choices? The Oblivion/Moon (white, grey and black), The Fifth Element (I would use Corbin's taxi colours) and Blade Runner (dark like the police cars).
Make some "hard points" around the bike so customers can fit extras to style it as anything between moto cross, super motard, cafe racer or road racer by just bolting on different seat unit, fairing and clip ons ... Great project! Love it!
Awesome video! I just started vanlife myself as well! I’m a personal trainer who lives in his van in south Florida! Definitely love this lifestyle and freedom it brings! I also share videos on my page :)
Great bike!... Just a couple of ideas... Mount the motor on the swingarm centered as close as practical to the pivot point (to minimize effect on unsprung weight) and you'll never go back to frame mounted. Also, accept the weight cost of 1-2kg and source motors in the 20-40rpm/volt range for a truly silent ride (even with chain drive) instead of the annoying electric chainsaw buzz that I don't understand how anyone finds acceptable.
That is a great build man love the bike, posted last before end haha, I wouldn't mind a cyberbike in Canada, also Molle style storage options could be cool. Color scheme I'd say neon electric blue, gunmetal Grey, and Whyte accents would give the cyber to the bike. Best wishes
When bending tube past I believe it's 30° you need to weld the tube shut on both ends and fill it with pressurized air add a minimum but a Newtonian based fluid would be best when using Newtonian based fluids though you must leave 1/10 of whatever space it is empty as Newtonian based fluids are noncompressible so it would cause the pipe to rupture as you bend it if you overfill it but if you feel it just right you can bend any pipe you can make a complete circle without putting a kink in it
We are just finishing the new version with longer shock, signal lights, fenders, lights and horn already installed. You can place your order on the website MySuperEbike.com
Seat frame should be easly collapsible for easier transport. Just change tubes geometry and put quick connector to the main body. Also, normal qube/square cargo space is much more practical than overcomplicated weird magnetic box. Just a platform or place for a box is much more DIY compatible and more universal solution.
A monobloc seat would be pleasant instead of tubes. Otherwise great design. Finally someone who doesn't reproduce the old bike design. Well done @@ladiandmargaret
OMG, how long has it been since I watched a Ladi & Margaret video. It must be a while as you have staff and lots of new machinery and equipment. I have been watching your channel for quite a few years now and it is great to see how you've progressed and how the business has grown. I am an old boy now (61) so it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to ride a hyper fast e-bike/motorbike because if i come off it, it would be a bit painful. I know, I had a motorbike accident 2 years ago and it still hurts now. As a semi retired Product Designer I am always seeing ways to change and improve products. I was thinking, at some stage, you could perhaps change the geometry of the foot pegs by mounting them to movable L-shaped brackets; or something similar, so the height can be altered for taller or shorter riders. Also, if the seat assembly could be placed on a slidable rail the geometry of the top half of the vehicle could be altered for all ranges of human sizes. With speed restrictions, the bikes could be made available to younger people. Just a few ideas for you guys to mull over, hope it helps...........
Looks great Ladi, I got the plans to build the Cyberbike, and began sourcing components but I was at a dead end when I tried sourcing a battery and charger. I live in the US where we have weak 120v single phase residential power. I've even tried to get a local lithium battery manufacturer to build it, but they were not exactly willing to do it. So, I am at the end of my patience trying to get the bike built. Its been almost 2 years and I have since bought another bike to ride in the mean time. Honestly, If I knew more about building a battery, I would do it myself. I just dont know enough to build it myself. Perhaps if I had a diagram of the battery cell layout and where to spot weld the nickel strips I might just do that. But as of now, i have given up.
For the production model, you're obviously going to want fenders. Also, would getting mud caked onto the fins of the controller module be a problem. Cause with that sticking out of the bottom of the battery box it's going to happen. You'd probably also want to extend the seat. There will be times when riders want to duck down a bit and that usually involves sliding your butt back on the seat so your throat isn't right over the handlebars. (passing cars on a road or trails with low hanging branches would be 2 examples) Other than minor details that's a VERY nice bike you've built. Like a couple of other people have suggested, powder coating would be the way to go. It's very durable and looks good. I'd go with a bright color contrast. Black/yellow or Black orange so it gets noticed and talked about. (more sales) Maybe black for the frame and yellow or orange for the seat frame, fenders, and a nice bright graphic for the sides of the battery box.
Ahoj Láďo. Moc pěkný projekt. Pustil jsi se do těch e-bajků se vším všudy. Je to fakt parádní stroj. Jen z technického hlediska co mě jako první trklo jako strojaře to upevnění kyvky. Možná mi to video zkresluje ale v náročnějším terénu by to mohl byt weak spot. Možná bych tam dal vetší průměr šroubu nebo nějaký čep. Ale samozřejmě do toho nevidím jak to máš řešené tak jen co mě cvrnklo do oka. Jinak opravdu parádní práce palec nahoru tobě i Pavlovi. Jsem rád že se ještě může říkat zlaté České ručičky. 🙂
So cool! I was hoping it was going to be belt driven instead of a chain, but oh well. Really going to be interested, now that the prototype is done, to see how building the second one goes!
You really did a awesome job sir, it's a monster of machine. Man I'm anxious to see what you create next. I bet you could make a quadquapter with some propellers.
This is so rad!! One day I want to grow up and be like you 😮 My suggestion would be build a moto edition if you haven’t already. Maybe beef up the suspension & add a rear fender. Something comparable to stark varg but not 14k
I'm an 'old school' biker, harleys, triumphs, etc....BUT......You're a genius dude, really...... The platform idea is brilliant...... One seat for scrambling and another for cruising. Question.... Why not make a convertible seat system? Anyway..... Well done..... Very impressed!
It’s possible and I’m willing to explore more ideas with this whole concept. Will see if people place orders, that’s the only way we can keep developing it further.
I hear that dual motors running @ 50% increases acceleration, while consuming far less drain. You know how much faster a battery drains @ full throttle. Anyway, be it front & back, or a mid-drive with a hub combo. Give it a shot! I do like your idea too. I've been thinking the same thing as well. Purpose built to last & not break your croch on a fake gas tank!
What do you mean by cell selection? Of course we select the right cells in the first stage of the battery build. I don’t like moisture inside of the battery pack. I go different route which is not maxing out specs of the battery pack. In that case it does not have to be cooled.
What a incredible job! Even the potential for up grades! I will support this project! Definitely Im going to do this myself! Way to awesome not to! It that good!
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LOL street legal for the USA LOL i want to know are you going to make it street legal for Australia
Hi. You could actually create basket for stuff on that frame.
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Finally somebody talking about making a battery that would not even come close to its rated discharge. You're legit the first person i see doing it
This should be essential. The datasheet continuous discharge current is often a bit optimistic and I've found Battery Mooch does an excellent job giving realistic discharge rates on cells. His Patreon is only $2 a month and worth every cent. He's doing cycle life of Molicel P45B/P50B/Samsung 50S under intense 5-6A charge 25A-30A discharge conditions and its really interesting. All I can say is while the P45B is a great cell the P50B looks to be AMAZING and the Samsung 50S definitely USED to be a good cell for those that needed more than 4-4.5Ah but didn't need the full 20-25A discharge and could settle for 10A to 15A where a lot of 5Ah 21700's just can't handle that....still the 50S gets way too hot. The Molicel P50B is just out of this world if the production cells are anything like the pre production cells he has.
Yea first time i heard of this too. Very innovative actually., opinions on this will differ ofc but they just dont get it ;)
We have few months testing behind us and these battery configurations are killer! Very small voltage sag, very robust torque, don’t heat up as much, perfectly balanced the whole time when charging or discharging with high current. So far looks like a good formula for long term high current use!
To stop the pipe from deforming you should fill the pipe with sand. First bung one end of the pipe with some cloth, i use old overalls, just cut them into small pieces then make a ball slightly larger than the bore of the pipe. Then jam the bung into one end, i use a file with the handle taken off, then with dry sand fill the pipe to the brim. Then with a nylon mallet tap the pipe until the sand compacts and the level of the will fall, repeat until you cant get anymore sand into the pipe. then bung the end of the pipe ensuring you get the bung nice and tight, then when you bend the pipe it will almost be like you are bending solid bar. When you are finished bending pull the bungs out and empty out the sand.
If you are still getting a little bit of deformation bend the pipe slightly past the angle you want, then secure one end of the pipe in a vice that is attached to a table that is fixed to the floor. Then get a piece of pipe that fits over the tube you are working with to use as a lever, then pull the bend out to the angle you desire. This will pull out some of the deformation, but be careful not to do too much or the tube will deform the other way.
Trust me im a pipefitter that has been bending pipe for over 30 years.
And if you have the money, buy a bending machine with a mandrel, that goes inside the pipe that prevents deformation.
Happy bending.😊
that is a very good comment, thanks mate!
Sand or you can freeze water in it but sand is normally cleaner.
@@user-neo71665 yes you can freeze water in pipe but it's generally used on small bore pipe, this technique is used when bending brass instruments like trumpets. But it's quite hard to freeze a 6 meter length of 6 inch pipe, you would need a very big freezer. 🙂
Just use a mandrel. no time to mess around with sand/ice when it goes into production.
Good comment, this is what did to make a custom subframe for an sv650
You are making the bikes we all want and need. And you are correct about people are making e-bikes like petrol bikes. Wrong way to go about it. You are doing it correctly!!! Keep up the great work!!! Thank you.
Except that on regular bikes there is a reason the riders seat height so high, (mostly engine and frame constraints) on this bike that's not necessary. Lowered center of gravity means better handling. You could also build a chopper out of one of these, and I'm sure they would sell !
All the big companies spend millions on R&D. Here you are a one-man band knocking it out of the park. I'm a big believer that what you are doing is the future. Ladi, you are the best.
He's very skilled but I'm many years ahead of everyone, even DARPA.
in those millions are also the machines the new companies have to buy.
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ok, let's see him pass regulations and mass produce the bike so that it is available to 10's of thousands annually. All while making a profit.
Longer, seat with more padding for our gentlemanly tenders. Definitely sweet design!! It rips!!!
If there was 6-8 attachment points on each side for the seat, you could have multiple seat & cargo options
Without fenders and longer seat and taillight and head light I won't touch that bike. I have Electric scooters .I ride electric scooter everyday to go to work and back home
The finished product will ship with fenders, lights, longer seat. We work as fast as we can to make it all happen.
@@ladiandmargaretthat's all fine but you can't attach a rear fender off the back of the seat , which limits you to some fender barely above the tire. it will kill the motocross look. that seat is ridiculous . make something with some padding. I like less is more, but you went so minimal it looks incomplete.
I was not planning on attaching the fender to the seat. Seat does not have finished cushioning.
You're so detailed and pragmatic in the process of developing everything you do. The amount research you must have done prior to building must be crazy 😅
I think you found a hole in the market with this one. Electric motorcycle made for taller pople - brilliant!
Hi Ladi! I've been watching you since you started and I really love how you're progressing. I love and support this e-Moto build.
Here are the things I would suggest for this specific model:
1. Longer seat
2. Supermoto street tires
3. A modular storage box under the seat which could be used for a lot of things, or an additional modular battery pack in case of emergency.
4. Some signal lights and a headlight would be needed too.
I'm rooting for you! Keep up the great work! I hope I can get a unit soon to show my support for your campaign.
Thanks! Seat will be extended, supermoto tires tested, the main battery will be replaceable and signal lights mounted in the finished version
I like the idea of the additional modular battery pack. There's so much space that you could easily double the capacity of the current battery and extend the range even further.
Could make the extra seat modular so you could remove it for storage
Great to see you're not just simply outsourcing it all, if any, to China but rather using local Czechs to do the work.
Czechia has great artisans as well as world class steel production, high tech engineering and electronics so I'm not surprised you're doing so well with this venture.
I hope you get this great design to the point where you get a saleable and price competitive product.
Finally someone who's using their brain and making an e-bike or motorcycle with decent. I see all these bikes with so much room to just lay in some serious battery power and you're the one doing it!
Pretty Cool 👍 The space under the seat could be converted into a locking 🔒 storage compartment. Also a removable 🔩 bolt on rear rack could be made & bolted on. To support saddlebags or triple bag storage set.
If I had the money to buy one, I'd want some storage ootions,like mentioned above, probably a longer seat & also pedals on it for #1 more stealth to blend in as a bicycle & #2 For the ability to pedal in the event of a breakdown.
I'm not at all criticizing the build. Just offering some ideas.
I really do like the idea 💡 of a metal locking storage compartment under the seat. Have a tough hinge on 1 side & door cover plate.
Oh duh 🤪 I started commenting before watching the end of video about the storage compartment idea 💡
Fit a hugger to stop stones hitting your back. Fit a chain guard incase it snapped. Lower seat slightly and make it bigger, be surprised how many people have short legs and like comfort!
Looks great fun!
I agree with everything.
I love seeing stuff like this. This is exactly the kind of thing that the EV world needs custom frames custom batteries to suit the user/rider
Hey Ladi, congrats on getting the prototype going. Been following the channel over the past few years. Glad to see that you are optaining advanced equipment. That's a sweet plasma table.
Thanks so much! It’s a laser cutter. It’s more accurate compared to plasma.
Yeah, there's nothing like this out there and it looks so futuristic, so comfortable for taller/larger folks. She's an eye catcher for sure. 🤩
Thank you 🙏
Dear Ladi an Margaret, only just found this channel and just wanted to say thank you! this is a really amazing project and I appreciate your thinking and building outside of the normal bike world, who wants normalcy? Sure not me
powdercoat the main frame textured black with bright orange seat tubes or yellow seat tubes. looks nice! Find a way to outsource production in china so your price can be competitive around $6000 usd.
i am 6ft 3 i get you ..
i like full matte black body with
orange : seat , brake calipers , cables , spring
and that small bit of orange above the fork
Finally somebody building their own that is awesome
The car looks very nice and has a strong sporty appearance. Thank you for sharing. The leading engineer in car manufacturing.
Pure innovation. Your ideas on this vehicle are inspiring. I wish to be involved in this project. DIY bikes do have their own character (I'm a lil more enthusiastic about choppers). You really know what you got. thumbs up! Keep up the outstanding work.
Much Respect!!! I've been watching showboating derelicts promoting junk, and giving e-biking a bad image. Your passion is what it should be.
Everyone built a E-roller, E-bike, E-motorcycle, but no one built a E-quad , think about it, i can make a payment right now to pre-order one, by the way, of course you made a great work, that way i hope you will start to built a E-quad someday....🍀🍀🍀
Thats because 4 wheels is two wheels too many! lol
lots of e quads
Rich Rebuilds made a cyber-quad, not from scratch, but it was cool
like you would actually buy it if he built one... LOL 😅😅
@@mikayla_collie of course I will do it...
Well done guys!!! I have surron lbx and I am very happy about the emergence of an alternative and competition in this segment! Guys, patience to you, strength and a peaceful sky above your heads! Greetings from Moscow;)
lovely to see a bike designed around its functions rather than echoes of obsolete technology. Looks great as is, no need to paint it, just satin clearcoat. Orange seat is emough colour. Cheers and good luck!
I need off road wheelchair badly 😅
My wife does too, but handlebars are a problem with no hands. Btw no feet either and prosthetic legs which suck off road. Power wheelchair works fine often but gets stuck on 1.5 inch roots.
main color gloss black with larger trim areas in bright gloss red. small hints of standard matte twill carbon fiber everywhere. finally, add tiny amounts of shiny gold trimming down any corners & straight lines. any exposed wiring cover it with "teck flex" red or black with black heat shrink at each end of wire to secure it proper. could market this color combo as a special edition. no chrome, anything that would noramlly be chrome try to make it gold. trust me on this. it has been my go to color combo for my personal custom hobby builds. amazing work & what a awesome looking bike. good luck!
You dont paint it, you powder coat it when its done.
Yes and no, in the racing and frame building industry it is argued about. Yes powder coating is amazing protection but the layer it forms on the outside can hide any cracks that may form in the metal. I think builders preference based on amount of abuse frame will take.
In my experience any cracks in welding joints show in the powder coat.
@@TeamSteversdependant on how thick or flexible the powder coat maybe ... the crack may become fatal ... before it shows through
Paint is better than powder coat.
I told you agree powder coating good peel off no matter how good the protection is underneath@@Turbogto_guy
Brilliant. So many people looking for something like this. I’m also 6’2 and sur Ron is like a kids toy for me.
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If u can't ride it u just noob)
@@rudolfg7631 who said they cant its just small
One thing i love about your design is you could easily double the battery if desired.
In addition, one thing i would love to see in ebikes/motorcycles is more hubcenter steering.
As a moto lifer (of almost 60 yrs)here in SO CAL, Baja, Desert, MX & 35yrs around the MTB industry & huge lover of the E industry. I can say (you're on to something). (As a suspension guy) it was interesting seeing you figure out the shock needed to be vertical, just like on a motorcycle. A long seat, some fenders and you're done. Love the storage space. Better than panniers hanging off the bike.
Seriously smart design! Absolutely the right approach with form following function. And it looks great too. The only thing I’d like to see is big motorcycle shocks (48mm) full size swingarm and Brembro brake calipers with 320mm or bigger discs. Basically full-size motorcycle components. This bike could definitely handle it!
Yes and 21" front and 19" rear wheels!😎
It’s not motocross category so I won’t be installing motocross shocks. These brakes are poisonous sharp, no need to change at this point. We currently have installed 21 and 18 wheels.
@@ladiandmargaret Shame that, guess someone else will add the components I spoke of then. Still though, your bike has a superb design. Great work👏 I went ahead and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what you do next.
Beautiful! From an ex motocross guy. Made me want to ride again. Thank you, Sir.
Love it. Please makea follow up video! I hope your kick starter goes well! As far as changes, I think the other comments cover most.
1. Wheel Fenders
2. Offer of different components for gear ratios.
3. I agree with the slightly longer swing arm for road stability
4. By changing the design of the seat frame, I bet you could fit locking helmet storage underneath the seat.
5. Headlights and brake lights.
6. Multiple foot peg mounting points.
Absolutely epic job guys I'm 6'4" 280lbs and cannot find a bike that fits me and can haul my weight. I'd gladly review one for you on my channel! I'll even pay for it!
Well done, young man! Your approach is thinking outside of the box to create a new thought box and show the m.c. community a better way to go electric. the only thing I'd change is to a wider ,more comfortable seat with a lower seat height, I'm a senior citizen, so....👍
Top engineers designed an electric car with a great, powerful, sporty look. Thank you for sharing
being 6"6' I do wish more manufacturer's would cater for us tall guys, as even though my bomber clone is a big bike I've still had to make custom parts to make it fit me more
It comes down to weight. The bigger, heavier and faster they become, the less road legal they are in most place. At one point you might as well just buy a motorcycle.
This is a motorcycle and it’s street legal in the USA.
Awesome. Best approach and attitude to "steer up" the market!
An electric bike that inspires you to want to ride it, brilliant.
1 seat needs to be a little bit longer for forgiveness 2 seat needs to be able to move up or down for different rider 3 great job guys brilliant.
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Love your content :D
I worked as a laser machine operator for 6 years. And I noticed you cutting in a strange order. Always do all the internal cutting first and use one cutting profile for that. Then cut out the frame. This is because the holes will not be precisely located if the part drops down onto the support grid (what we call them). Have a second cutting profile linked to the outer contour so when you fine-adjust the diameters of holes, you don't mess with the body. Hope you understand what I tried to explain :D
This is the best thing I've ever seen. Unbelievably neat.
that welding jig is one of the coolest things I've seen. great job!
I would buy one immediately if the optional painted components had a nice anaglyph design and paint job. Also if you implemented camo designs or even just earthy tone colours and shades to fit the sustainable approach (because it’s all electric) you will be tapping into a huge environmentally friendly market and audience 👏 needless to say i will support this kickstarter project and keep my eyes peeled for an opportunity to purchase my own bike well done! and thank you!
There's sufficient empty space under that seat to install, for instance, twice as much battery, or a battery of similar capacity but a lower cost, less power-dense formulation like LiFePo4.
The battery is already oversized considering on board fast charger. Cargo space will be the best.
@@ladiandmargaret it is never oversized! My weight it is much more than yours, so it will drain the battery faster
This design is really unique! Epic machine. Also a peak at your prototyping ensures the Kickstarter backuping people the assurance of quality. Nice.
You make some awesome creations.
This is no exception.
I’d incorporate a longer seat option, motor, battery & controller cooling.
Technology is advancing to now incorporate mechanical gears & ABS.
I say this, because in addition to pioneering a new design framework, you may as well pioneer what is truly capable given our knowledge & tools of today’s time.
Great products & vision, looking forward to seeing more.
Thank, the battery is overkill and the motor as well. So far we did not even reach temperature close to overheating or causing any issues. We have few ideas for ventilation but I hope we can avoid extra complications and components prone to failure.
I like that the battery is in the lower part of the frame giving you a lower center of gravity for cornering however all that empty space underneath the seat could easily be an extra 50 to 70 miles of range making it a better daily commuter or longer rides but regardless of my opinion it's a beautiful creation that I wish was more my size because I'm only 5'7" but I do need to know what is the final cost?
I like it! Futuristic cyborg look! Needs more padded seat!
I would like that all black with gold outline! Good work gentlemen! 😊
You've got great talent and build great bikes
Anecdote related to your intro: I bought a Yamaha motorcycle from this young guy down in Norfolk, England. He’d used brochure pics but also some actual images of his bike. It was a lovely looking thing, cannot recall the name but it was famously equipped with a very stubby exhaust as standard and had a 600cc version. There was no sense of scale however. And literally once I got it, I realised it was 20% smaller all around than I imagined. Tiny. Lovely bike to ride, operated as a single does. So I sympathise.
Nice work, we used to bend tubes by inserting a spring to stop kinking. A laser welder might speed you up while giving good results.
Really liking this! Your team has the opportunity to radically change this type of transportation!
AMAZING work. LOVE this!
Checked all my boxes and gives me innovation and ambition
God has given you such a gift to be so creative like you are! :)
honestly the fact that the surron is tiny. is what made them popular. larger and heavier bikes exist but do not give the same confidence.
if you really wanted size. you should have gotten the ultra bee or even the storm bee and your 'issue' is fixed. as the storm bee seat height is larger then most gasoline bikes.
I solved it my way. I’m not making dirt bike, this is supposed to be all purpose bike.
@@ladiandmargaret make a supper fun free ride bike that would be ligit
To si tak posloucháš a pak slyšíš tyvole :D, a hned ti ten přízvuk dává smysl ! Super video
I think the best colour scheme for this would be something that scream "sci-fi", I would use the movies "Wall-E", "Oblivion" and "Moon" for inspiration. That is, mostly near-pure white, mid-dark grey and near-black.
Also, will there be an LFP option for the battery? I know it would result in less range, but I think the increased number of charges that LFP can endure compared to lithium-ion is a serious advantage in the long term.
Thanks so much! I agree with your move selection/inspiration and would add fifth element, blade runner or cyberpunk game.
@@ladiandmargaret Maybe have three colours choices? The Oblivion/Moon (white, grey and black), The Fifth Element (I would use Corbin's taxi colours) and Blade Runner (dark like the police cars).
Make some "hard points" around the bike so customers can fit extras to style it as anything between moto cross, super motard, cafe racer or road racer by just bolting on different seat unit, fairing and clip ons ... Great project! Love it!
Hard points?
This is so awesome you guys. I’m inspired to both build one of my own and buy one of yours.
world needs more of this
SO INSPIRING!!!!!!!
It's an incredibly full feeling feeling
. Nice
Awesome video! I just started vanlife myself as well! I’m a personal trainer who lives in his van in south Florida! Definitely love this lifestyle and freedom it brings! I also share videos on my page :)
Great bike!... Just a couple of ideas... Mount the motor on the swingarm centered as close as practical to the pivot point (to minimize effect on unsprung weight) and you'll never go back to frame mounted. Also, accept the weight cost of 1-2kg and source motors in the 20-40rpm/volt range for a truly silent ride (even with chain drive) instead of the annoying electric chainsaw buzz that I don't understand how anyone finds acceptable.
Probably a great idea to use those bouncy spring loaded seats on this beautiful machine!
Electric Blue for color is a no brainer plus I love your concept 😊
That is a great build man love the bike, posted last before end haha, I wouldn't mind a cyberbike in Canada, also Molle style storage options could be cool. Color scheme I'd say neon electric blue, gunmetal Grey, and Whyte accents would give the cyber to the bike. Best wishes
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When bending tube past I believe it's 30° you need to weld the tube shut on both ends and fill it with pressurized air add a minimum but a Newtonian based fluid would be best when using Newtonian based fluids though you must leave 1/10 of whatever space it is empty as Newtonian based fluids are noncompressible so it would cause the pipe to rupture as you bend it if you overfill it but if you feel it just right you can bend any pipe you can make a complete circle without putting a kink in it
Would weld on a valve and then cut it off after the bend ?
Can you use water ? Or air by itself ?
@@cherrylopper Waters noncompressible as well so you take a risk of rupturing the container and plus it's corrosive
@@cherrylopper you just need a slug really. You could use a valve tho
Fenders, a real seat, bigger suspension, DOT required lighting/horn, and I'm all in.
We are just finishing the new version with longer shock, signal lights, fenders, lights and horn already installed. You can place your order on the website MySuperEbike.com
Seat frame should be easly collapsible for easier transport. Just change tubes geometry and put quick connector to the main body. Also, normal qube/square cargo space is much more practical than overcomplicated weird magnetic box. Just a platform or place for a box is much more DIY compatible and more universal solution.
Collapse like the Kuberg Ranger 👍🏻
The seat post is held on 4 bolts, i think it’s easy enough to take apart.
A monobloc seat would be pleasant instead of tubes. Otherwise great design. Finally someone who doesn't reproduce the old bike design. Well done @@ladiandmargaret
Well done with your unique design. Thanks for the vid. Jim Bell (Australia)
OMG, how long has it been since I watched a Ladi & Margaret video. It must be a while as you have staff and lots of new machinery and equipment. I have been watching your channel for quite a few years now and it is great to see how you've progressed and how the business has grown.
I am an old boy now (61) so it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to ride a hyper fast e-bike/motorbike because if i come off it, it would be a bit painful. I know, I had a motorbike accident 2 years ago and it still hurts now.
As a semi retired Product Designer I am always seeing ways to change and improve products. I was thinking, at some stage, you could perhaps change the geometry of the foot pegs by mounting them to movable L-shaped brackets; or something similar, so the height can be altered for taller or shorter riders.
Also, if the seat assembly could be placed on a slidable rail the geometry of the top half of the vehicle could be altered for all ranges of human sizes. With speed restrictions, the bikes could be made available to younger people.
Just a few ideas for you guys to mull over, hope it helps...........
Looks great Ladi, I got the plans to build the Cyberbike, and began sourcing components but I was at a dead end when I tried sourcing a battery and charger. I live in the US where we have weak 120v single phase residential power. I've even tried to get a local lithium battery manufacturer to build it, but they were not exactly willing to do it. So, I am at the end of my patience trying to get the bike built. Its been almost 2 years and I have since bought another bike to ride in the mean time. Honestly, If I knew more about building a battery, I would do it myself. I just dont know enough to build it myself. Perhaps if I had a diagram of the battery cell layout and where to spot weld the nickel strips I might just do that. But as of now, i have given up.
We ship batteries to the states. Our chargers work on 120v grid as well, just charge half the speed.
This is absolutely amazing! 🎉
Thats the coolest Ebike I've seen. it should look sick in camo
For the production model, you're obviously going to want fenders. Also, would getting mud caked onto the fins of the controller module be a problem. Cause with that sticking out of the bottom of the battery box it's going to happen.
You'd probably also want to extend the seat. There will be times when riders want to duck down a bit and that usually involves sliding your butt back on the seat so your throat isn't right over the handlebars. (passing cars on a road or trails with low hanging branches would be 2 examples)
Other than minor details that's a VERY nice bike you've built.
Like a couple of other people have suggested, powder coating would be the way to go. It's very durable and looks good. I'd go with a bright color contrast. Black/yellow or Black orange so it gets noticed and talked about. (more sales) Maybe black for the frame and yellow or orange for the seat frame, fenders, and a nice bright graphic for the sides of the battery box.
Ahoj Láďo. Moc pěkný projekt. Pustil jsi se do těch e-bajků se vším všudy. Je to fakt parádní stroj. Jen z technického hlediska co mě jako první trklo jako strojaře to upevnění kyvky. Možná mi to video zkresluje ale v náročnějším terénu by to mohl byt weak spot. Možná bych tam dal vetší průměr šroubu nebo nějaký čep. Ale samozřejmě do toho nevidím jak to máš řešené tak jen co mě cvrnklo do oka. Jinak opravdu parádní práce palec nahoru tobě i Pavlovi. Jsem rád že se ještě může říkat zlaté České ručičky. 🙂
So cool! I was hoping it was going to be belt driven instead of a chain, but oh well.
Really going to be interested, now that the prototype is done, to see how building the second one goes!
Thanks. Belts are great but have a lot of disadvantages.
You really did a awesome job sir, it's a monster of machine. Man I'm anxious to see what you create next. I bet you could make a quadquapter with some propellers.
This is so rad!! One day I want to grow up and be like you 😮
My suggestion would be build a moto edition if you haven’t already. Maybe beef up the suspension & add a rear fender. Something comparable to stark varg but not 14k
I'm an 'old school' biker, harleys, triumphs, etc....BUT......You're a genius dude, really...... The platform idea is brilliant...... One seat for scrambling and another for cruising. Question.... Why not make a convertible seat system? Anyway..... Well done..... Very impressed!
It’s possible and I’m willing to explore more ideas with this whole concept. Will see if people place orders, that’s the only way we can keep developing it further.
I like it. its clean and sleek looks simple
Do it Ladi! Do it! Build and break the barrier!
What a clean build, you've got a new subscriber!
I hear that dual motors running @ 50% increases acceleration, while consuming far less drain. You know how much faster a battery drains @ full throttle. Anyway, be it front & back, or a mid-drive with a hub combo. Give it a shot! I do like your idea too. I've been thinking the same thing as well. Purpose built to last & not break your croch on a fake gas tank!
Very cool. I hope to see this in some shops in the USA soon. The question is for the USA is “Does it wheelie?”
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That battery pack is nuts! Maybe do some engineering on air flow cooling, cell selection, etc to refine that monster a bit.
What do you mean by cell selection? Of course we select the right cells in the first stage of the battery build. I don’t like moisture inside of the battery pack. I go different route which is not maxing out specs of the battery pack. In that case it does not have to be cooled.
@@ladiandmargaret well, it must be spot on then. No refinement required.
It’s not but your suggestions were solved ahead of time. I hope to think better way.
Great job
I like the white, would love to take it with me when camping and just fun around my area.
They look amazing
Interested in this definitely, great work thank you for showing
very nice project... and this jacket it's so cool
What a incredible job! Even the potential for up grades! I will support this project! Definitely Im going to do this myself! Way to awesome not to! It that good!
holy moly, I want one!!! Love IT
I like how the bike looked when you were testing it out.