Humans: leave literal *tons* of space trash like old satellites, bits and pieces of ships, and tons of other useless misc. garbage in space Also Humans: let's make the ISS burn up then crash into the ocean!
It's F-ing BS, mine and your grandparents and our parents paid for the technology that was given to their buddies in the commercial private sector, when will there ever be a technology dump on the citizens of this country who FINANCED ALL KNOWN SPACE TECHNOLOGY BORN IN THE UNITED STATES! THAT WAS OUR TECHNOLOGY AND THEY GAVE IT AWAY FOR FREE JUST TO SELL IT BACK TO US!? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 We've paid for it three times over and now we gotta pay for it again!? 80 GD years of technology that we paid for that they refuse to release to they financiers of the project, given away to commercial entities free, after thousands of deflection that it would be available to us in our lifetimes! My grandparents are all gone, my parents are on their way out, and it's looking like my grandchildren will never see the technology either! The Government has Robbed 5 generations of my family, they need to be put in their place!!!
@@christopherboyle2403There are a few reasons nasa exists, 1.To create things in space to help everybody 2.To oversee space travel 3.To encourage other entities to go into space
@@nicmalugin-dm9ju and commercial entities exist for one reason. 1. Make money. This means often "charge what the market will bare." when the market is a tax payer supported government entity, this tends to be a little more then you get from other commercial entities. The comment is completely within the context of reality.
Good old method of just dumping it into the sea. Instead of sending it off into space to be found some billion years later or maybe into the sun. Nah, the ocean will do.
I wish they went with the graveyard orbit so we could make it into a museum piece in the future. Edit: Guys, there's been 200 replies. Do you really think no one has said anything about expense or space trash? You're making yourselves look like fools. And yes, I know trolls are going to reply because you can’t help yourselves.
Far as I know, the amount of trash in orbit is already a problem. Adding more to it might make it impossible to launch new stuff or leave earth in the future
@@hobbypyromane2.05 That’s in low earth orbit. LEO is very busy, both with trash and active satellites, thus the problems with satellites having to dodge trash. There’s a lot less trash in the graveyard orbits and no active satellites that need to dodge.
I agree if only for the reason that later generations will look at us destroying it as a wasteful exercise and a tremendous loss to the history of humans venture into space having said that though maintaining it even as a future historical monument would be excessively expensive at the end of the day I don't know bugger all but that is my 2 cents on the matter
@@The_DASHERplanes are terrible now and quite literally disassembling mid flight cause Boeing’s monopoly. Profit motive never lines up with human need and advancement well
@@beebo7071 are you sure about that because just defeat Boeing ,Airbus has made technological advancements.If space companies want to stay profitable they HAVE to make tech advancement like Space x . Profit incentives can lead to human advancement under some form of regulation .
@The_DASHER Boeing and Airbus have a duopoly on comercial aviation. They aren't even trying to compete with each other through innovation. They both offer basically the same planes. And I'm not sure what innovations you think SpaceX has created that NASA, if given the same level of funding, wouldn't have created. The Falcon Heavy is still nowhere close to the payload capacity of NASA's Saturn V and that's a 60 year old rocket.
@@ZVPieGuy Yes Airbus and boieng have the same plane but this is because the industry has matured.There is a lot of space for innovation and space mining is a very lucrative opportunity.In present time space companies HAVE to innovate if they want to stay profitable.And i agree that NASA could have done what Space X has done if provided enough funding but the problem is that*where* the funds are coming from .Space X is privately funded whereas NASA is government owned so people don't like paying extra taxes.I understand that funding NASA is very important but the general public doesn't understand it so we have to make the space industry private with GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
@@bikkiikunAlso known as 'capitalism'. So long as the shareholders see Number Go Up quarter to quarter in perpetuity, they will not care what happens to make Number Go Up. This is the end goal of capitalism, Number Goes Up. Forever.
@bikkiikun there's not a single private company that doesn't pursue profit at all costs. This includes working to create monopolies and then price squeeze.
@@mediocreman2 : They have done many useful things (high speed internet, GPS, batteries with high power density, fuel efficient engines, light weight materials, more precise weather forecast, atmospheric and geological measurements,... the list goes on and on and on), but none of them has been as "flashy" as the Moon Landing or the Space Shuttle Program. Just because mainstream media doesn't report it, doesn't mean it's useful.
I was thinking the same. I know putting it into a higher orbit is more expensive. But is seems to me doing so would be a good idea if we wanna preserve it as part of our history.
I don’t think you understand why it would need to be the decommissioned, it is constantly falling towards earth little by little as we speak, and needs to be constantly maneuvered to stay at float. Same thing happens with satellites, because satellites don’t last forever, unless they were a lot higher away from earth, making into a museum ignores this fact, and it will still crash to earth anyway, the issue is making sure that he does in one specific spot rather than at random
I was thinking on similar lines: sell it to a couple of big corporations, with a requirement that it be pushed to higher orbit or to Moon orbit. If all the experiments and associated "old tech" are stripped to the bare minimum, the empty modules would provide living and storage space for crews building Lunar landers and Mars ships.
@@markyarbrough5511As I understnd it, part of the problem for recycling is vacuum-welding. Over time, any lubricant in the couplers and connectors evaporates into space, making it extremely hard to unbolt or uncouple the various modules.
@@ralphm6901 I imagine there are some huge technical hurdles, but it seems like a task force of creative engineers could find solutions. At least they could invest enough to buy more time to come up with some ideas. I know they must be careful about generating space junk and it is not like the conditions are ideal for any sort of refurbishment work.
Same. The ISS was responsible for the crew of throwaways and misfits that I was in charge of in a remote Fire Rescue station in Hastings, FL. We loathed one another at first, but when I discovered the rest of the crew all had this latent space nerd affliction that I have a double dose of, ISS flyovers, the Torrid meteor streams, and iridium flares served to break down some personality walls and we ended up being a tight crew. Ian, Dallas, Kat, Dale, and Matty. I surely do miss those days.
@@larion2336 If aesthetics are dead, how come there's this CNC woodworking guy who makes artistic cutting boards making $18k a month for his business? Selling cutting boards for thousands a pop.
@@cryora Because that's still a small niche that attracts a handful of wealthy people. What I'm referring to is public infrastructure, construction, societal values, etc. Everything is made to be as cheap and disposable as possible in pretty much every strata of society... which ironically is probably the only reason these small niches appealing to the super rich are possible, they exist as exceptional counterpoints to the overwhelming mediocrity seen everywhere else.
@@larion2336Well to be fair going to space or climbing Mt. Everest are huge undertakings. A lot goes into them, and they don't offer financial returns, at least not enough to break even. That's why only the rich or the really dedicated can do them. Other people would have their lives ruined making futile attempts.
Sadly, this is happening basically because of two main reasons... 1. They can't make any actual "profit" from or off of the ISS as it is, so it's "costing too much money" to keep it running... Hence the plans to change to a "commercial based" space station, where different big corporations can charge a "fee" for its use, etc... (And) 2. Not enough people in today's overly self absorbed society actually care or even think about "space" or "space travel" or exploration anymore, because everyone nowadays is WAY too caught up in constantly watching and posting stupid and totally pointless stuff on their (anti-)"social media" account(s) and posting stupid "viral videos" to gain attention and "likes" from the Internet, just so they can feel like their daily otherwise boring life is meaningful enough to keep drudging through their daily existence, lol! Sad, (and simple), but true!
Totally it, it's not as if space weathering exists, being measured in detail since the 1960's. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_weathering Nope, nothing ever wears out, it's all to make a profit. And for the record, the ISS never made a profit, it was always a station where one poured money into to keep it functional. It's now at an age where major structural elements could begin to erode due to space weathering.
I always thought it was the self-absorbed people who cared about space travel, like the really rich guy who paid millions of dollars to go into space. These are the same type of people who climb Mount Everest. The not so self-absorbed people would be more down the Earth, care about their communities, volunteer at their homeless shelters, or helping their local small businesses. That kind of stuff.
My son is 3 years old. When he was 2 years, one night he saw a light outside the window and I told him it might be the ISS (you can see it with your bare eyes). Of course it turned out to be an airplane. But his interest was sparked. I had to explain to him around 8 times that night what the ISS is and where it is. He absolutely loves the ISS and the two of us will be really bummed out when it finally stops orbiting our little planet.
@Aptol during the 80's?? 😂 Those were the soviet stations Salyut and MIR. The first part of the ISS went to space in 1998, and it has been occupied by astronauts since 2000.
It’s crazy to hear about the EOL (End of life) plans for the ISS. I remember sitting in class in the 90’s learning about the ISS. Eyes glued to the photos and videos of rocket lunches with challenger shuttle and crew strapped in to assemble the ISS modules. It really was a feat of humanity especially coming out of the cold war and the fall of the USSR.
It took longer to build than is was actively being used. Construction started in the 90s and it was not completed until 2011. Total waste to throw it away.
I like the graveyard orbit. It may be costly, but it would be a reminder for generations of where we started or a symbol to humanity if we had a near extinction event.
And ya like if civilization ever collapsed and started up again. Imagine discovering the iss for the first time and realizing how far humanity has made it before thousands of years ago
yes, or an even crazier idea - put in orbit around The Moon! ... it could work. It would just need to be speed up to 25K MPH (it is currently around 17K MPH - in current orbit). It would be way more expensive, though!
The ISS was already costly, NASA has never been about cost it’s been about education and discovery. I think they should let the public vote on it because I think most people agree it should be preserved as a space museum.
Coast guard fine for littering in the US is up to $50,000 and/or 5 years in jail but for the Government no fine. What if it hits a big whale 🐳 or a sailboat ⛵ crossing the ocean. 🤦♂️
We should put it into a graveyard orbit! Not only could we keep it up there as a last-ditch effort like a lifeboat... But once we start to get more and more into space I would love to see it as a museum piece! I could almost see an episode of cowboy bebop about it!! Kinda like the Shuttle episode
have you seen earth now? we have a ring of trash in space now. if we add more trash telescopes wont be able to see planets or aliens. an that trash we have in space cost millions an it traps us in earth. so when were a type 2 we wont be able to go to mars or venus because it would be to risky to get out of earth.
A life boat?! For who/what to rescue?! The whole point of a lifeboat is to keep people safe, until they can be rescued. It would be stuck in the graveyard orbit, so it's not like people could go there and take it to Mars or Titan. If this were star trek, we had warp drives, and a fleet of apace faring vessels, maybe. It's unlikely though. Two reasons: 1. If the last ditch effort is because war/weapons make the planet uninhabitable ... the opposition will probably shoot a launched craft down before it reaches space. 2. If mankind has to leave due to climate change, then they probably won't be able to launch with enough food to last until they are self-sufficient or rescued. Even as a museum, chances are "space tourism" won't be a thing common for everyday individuals.
@@Torsion It would be something to keep it operational for rich tourists. At least it would be still being used. I love seeing the ISS passing over, going to miss her when she’s gone.
It would be NASA’s decision, not even Roscosmos+ESA combined can run the space station without the US’s support. The former because of money/manpower and the latter because they don’t have the technology.
The US could easily detach the 5 modules out of 14 owned by other countries. We wouldn't need them to make a space museum. It would be cool to have in its current configuration but pretending the US can't do whatever it wants with the bulk of the station is disingenuous.
@@jameshathaway5117the US segment doesn’t have any thrusters so it wouldn’t be able to go anywhere. Also the US/Russian segments have been mated for 25 years now, and they have likely cold welded to each other, so they can’t separate even if they wanted to
Russia has already stated their half of the station will be used as foundation for a new Russian space station. NASA can say whatever they want but they don't have a say over all of it.
It’s a collaboration between NASA and Roscosmos, the other nations are there as an invitation from both of those nations. Even the ESA modules are legally owned by the US as part of the treaty. Since Roscosmos doesn’t have the resources to hold up their end of the bargain, the ISS is defacto a NASA-lead project. If NASA pulls out, the station can no longer exist as nobody else can afford it.
@@jameshathaway5117 That's not how that works. NASA built most of it, it does not mean they own it. The ISS singular modules have owners, not the entire station.
I can't believe I still have a poster in my room at my parents house from the 90s with a schedule of the ISS future deployment. I remember thinking it's going to be years for it to be built. Now it's coming down. Time flies.
Sad to see it go as i remember having an assembly back in elementary in the 90s. During it some NASA employees brought a space suit and a diagram of the iss before it was fully built. They were talking about how it was still currently building it. Now, they are looking to retire it.
I always figured it was going to go down in the Pacific... I do like the raise it up indefinitely idea. Always a thrill to see it blazing across the sky.
The iss was built by boeing lockheed northrop grumann The space shuttle that assembled it was built by rockwell and lockheed The object that will deorbit it by spaceX Nasa does not build a lot of stuff mainly rovers at jpl From apollo to artemis nasa has always relied on private contractors to do its biding and it has shown to be a vastly superior aproch to doing everything in house
no, that was started in the '90s and likely much earlier. This is why certain private bunkers are so big and hidden ... and others have their own rockets ... Putin (aye comrade, itz all for the greater good), JoeBrandon?, Musk (best rockets this side of Apollo), Bezos, The Virgin Galactic guy (maybe)!
Don’t worry, just some asteroid mining, done be AI cyborgs. What could go wrong? Edit: oh, and absolute drop dead gorgeous 80s girl android prostitutes.
I think many people are failing to consider that a space station doesn't just stay in an orbit by itself. Stationkeeping requires that you fire thrusters to correct for orbital drag. If you don't keep maintaining this, it will eventually fall out of orbit, and re-enter the atmosphere. If that should happen, there would be no way of controlling where the debris lands. It costs money to keep sending fuel up to the station to maintain orbit. It would cost even more money to raise it to a considerably higher orbit. It might be sad to see it go, but a controlled de-orbiting is the only cost effective way to safely scrub the station.
We can do a controlled orbital decay. Calculate how long it takes for the force of gravity to do its thing, and when it's in the proper position make the necessary adjustments from there to ensure it lands where we want it.
Guess what all the wars caused by USA, funding CIA to commit their endless crimes against humanity and black budget cost even more money, money not well spent, would have been better spent on peaceful space exploration and ISS.
Im sick of giving everything to companies for profit. NASA is funded to invent, do, and build. Not rent and give all of our tax money to the billionaires.
100% this. Side note. Did you know President Nixon was given 2 choices from Nasa. They could make the space shuttle program or focus going to Mars because they didn't have to money to do both. So Nixon chose the space shuttle because it looked cooler and would be a better to hold over the Soviet Union, and there was no point in rushing to Mars snice the Soviet Union isn't trying to go there also.
A single NASA launch of the SLS costs more than SpaceX's entire Starship program including all R&D. NASA sucks at its job and has cornered the American taxpayer into some of the least cost effective space hardware ever to fly. It's specifically because NASA sucked soo bad at its job that the entire world had to go to Russia from 2011 on and pay 84 million a seat for rides to the ISS. Now SpaceX provides the same service to NASA at less than 84 million PER LAUNCH. That means we get 3 seats and cargo for less than the cost of 1 seat. The days of NASA making any sense as a space launch provider are long gone. The SLS cost us 11.8 billion to design and the subsequent launches still cost 2.2 billion each...
@@soppybottomboys1195 yep and for every 25 cents we put into commercial space programs we get the same return... did you think the science just stopped when we go commercial? Not so we just don't spend stupid amounts making it happen. A single Starship has a nearly identical internal volume as the ISS. Taxpayers could replace the ISS in a single launch and still own the hardware outright. It's time to put away the outdated ways and do things that make sense instead of just lining the pockets of US congress. By going commercial nobody has to slip politicians bundles of cash and build hardware in stupid places before shipping them across the country for exorbitant costs. Nothing about the old government program was better than a commercial program. We can buy hardware from other companies way cheaper than having NASA do it.
The ISS is essentially a modular assembly. The smart thing to do would be to progressively upgrade and replace components, essentially giving it an unlimited lifespan.
@@OistheOne Actually, it would be far less expensive, then building a new space station, which is exactly what they would end up doing. By replacing components over a longer period of time, the cost would not only be lower than full replacement, it would be distributed over a period of years and decades.
@@patmanley8634 Far less expensive according to who? You? Setting aside the costs of designing modules that are compatible with legacy tech and sending new modules to space, there are hurdles like taking (big) things apart in space and performing replacement with old technology. Sure. If we stop provoking conflicts everywhere and stop funding military bases, which, let’s be honest, are more provocative than defensive, we would have the money for space.
@@dznuts123 The thing you’re talking about makes no sense. What legacy technology? You continuously upgrade like it’s done in factories, on ships and in aircraft. Also, doing construction and construction maintenance work in space on the ISS and satellites has been going on for decades now. That’s no longer an obstacle. Yes, according to me, it will be less expensive both on an annual basis and in total, not to mention that it will remain fully functional where replacing it will mean we will have no space station for years thus losing valuable research time, revenue and opportunities for scientific advancement.
You should look up the real reason it's being scuttled. A woman went crazy over not having her way, and not only infamously drilled holes in the hull, but launched excrement into the air - effectively ruining it.
They should turn it into a permanent space monument. Or put it out in orbit as a emergency space shelter in case something goes wrong on a future mission .
@@pinocleen I've learned to write my comment in a text file and cut and paste it in when ready to post. So many times I have written a comment and as I scroll down a tiny bit to hit the blue "reply", YT scrolls to the next short video, and my written comment is lost for good. Useless! The sad thing is that within five years, RUclips is going to become TikTok with countless Idiocracy-causing videos.
You didnt cite the main reason the graveyard orbit wasnt accepted. The ISS is the biggest man-made object in space. If debris were to hit and destroy it, the amount of debris it would produce would be absolutely catastrophic, possibly contributing to an early start to kessler syndrome.
Problem is, the heat & cold cycles or orbit expand & contract the modules…limiting their safe life span. Turning it into a museum might be dangerous to revisit
Its a shame that the ISS has to go, It is an amazing masterpiece created by Humanity and to just let it burn up would be extremely sad. I don't understand why ISS has to be deorbited or retired. Why can't the station just be left in Orbit still functional and i know that just abandoning the ISS would be bad as it can collide with debris and become debrie itself and threaten functional Satellites but why cant it be left functional and be used for research purposes that it has been used till now. Another unfortunate thing is that NASA won't create another Space Station and would just rely on commerical agencies as they can do whatever they want and they need not be used for research purposes. I am against the commerical use of Space. I want space to be a research frontier, a place where humanity learns more about the universe and not be a vacation spot for people. I dearly hope that NASA or some other space agency creates another Space Station that they own and use it for research
The only way for space exploration to continue is for it to be commercial, cause research wise it will still be done but the government isn't concerned with space exploration
@@blakedeslauriers5193 that's not true, the government definitely does put emphasis on Space Exploration plus research based is still the way to go if we want to explore space not commercial
It surprisingly has a lot of wear and tear. It costs a lot just to keep it running as well. With potentially larger rockets being used construction a space station will be faster than ever before and will cost less.
@@Isaac-eh6uu I know and that's a great thing but NASA is not planning to build another space station in LEO, that's my concern, I know about Gateway but a station in LEO is also quite necessary, and stations built by commercial agencies will most probably be not fully tasked with research purposes
The west would still be relying on Russian rockets to get to the ISS if it wasn't for private companies like SpaceX! They did it better than the government ever thought possible.
I argue it would’ve actually been very reasonable to send it to a graveyard are a bit just because it’s a very important piece of history and it would’ve been nice to be able to have future generations visit it in like 100 years of here is our first major exploration of space
It’s amazing with how much it cost that parts of it aren’t being moved to other projects. The costs of moving all new components into orbit for a new station will be astronomical. Figure some companies would buy up the heaviest, newest and most expensive components and dispose of the rest.
I wish they would use the ISS to experiment with orbital recycling and manufacturing. I was hoping that a space station or stations could perform separation, sorting, creation of base materials, and using non-recyclables to blend into fuels. This would reduce the cost of boosting new materials into orbit. It would also be a place where orbital robots could gather and then recycle dead satellites and space junk to make new hardware that is already in orbit and, therefore, less expensive - because it's already in orbit! 😁👍😉
I finally found somebody else who figured this out! It's a no-brainer. It's the most valuable scrap man has made so far. It would be criminal to waste it like that.
Replace the ISS with a rotating space station! If we construct it by connecting 24 modules each being 21 meters long the station would be nearly circularly in shape and have a diameter of about 160 meters. Or we start by building one half that size to prove the concept. We really need to create artificial gravity for long term space missions.
After watching 2001: A Space Odyssey, I really figured we'd have wheel space stations by now. I wonder why they were ruled out? Maybe because it would be too difficult to build them incrementally, and too expensive to build all at once.
@@islandseeker1260They make people super motion sick very quickly because your head and your feet have different amounts of “gravity” acting on them. The rings would have to be absolutely massive to negate it.
‘Commercial space agencies’ This is how accidents happen. EDIT: No, accidents during testing don't reflect the final product & it's ability to function correctly & safely. The probem will be when Space X decides to use an Xbox control as a means of controlling the spacecraft 😆😆 EDI #2 We've seen plenty of instances in history where corner cutting & bottomlining has lead to large scale castatrophies. What makes commerical space agencies any different? There's certainly more room for it to happen.
@@MrMonoposon You left out the part where they've learned from those events and get it right not long after. I can see why you'd leave that out. It would cancel out your argument. Instantly.
@BeenHereSine2007 Twitter is burning to the ground. Tesla is a commercial nightmare. Musk is being increasingly outted as a jackass and toxic af. But sure let's pay him tax dollars even after the innumerable times he's taken tax payer money and given basically nothing in the case of the California hyperloop, or a worse subway in the case of Vagas.
we need to conserve space 'history' in stead of destroying it. Secondly, it was an outrage to interrupt permanent human presence in space between the Mir and the ISS. That needs to be avoided!
@@richardmillhousenixon do you understand how future historians will view your shortsighted comment? Perhaps a solar sail could help decrease fuel requirements. Perhaps a controlled release of the atmosphere of the decomissioned ISS could also decrease fuel requirements.
@@DoctorOnkelap Future historians may regret more wasn't done to save the ISS, though it still could be by some miracle, but they will likely recognize the reality of financial constraints we face in our time.
@@DoctorOnkelap The ISS weighs 450,000 kilograms. It has 1,000 cubic meters of pressurized volume, pressurized to 14.7psi. With an air mass of 1.2 kilograms per meter squared, and assuming the air leaves at approximately the speed of sound, it would give the ISS a whopping 1 meter per second of deltaV. (Change in velocity). A solar sail that is 800 meters by 800 meters would provide a whopping five Newtons of thrust, accelerating the ISS at a whopping 0.00001 m/s². That's assuming the solar sail has no mass. Just to get the ISS into a transfer orbit, i.e. with the perihelion at the same altitude, would take 2.5 kilometers per second of change in velocity. At 0.00001 meters per second, that would take 250 million hours. Or in other words, 10.4 million days, or 28 thousand years. You do not know what you are talking about.
Though I know why they're bringing it down and fully understand it, I wholeheartedly believe that we (as a whole) will one day regret that decision; Maybe not anytime soon, but definitely decades down the road.
missed THE opportunity to have a haunted space station
Live action Dead Space!
But keep a communication channel open just in case a squatter makes it it's home 😂
Other space stations will be sent to space in future with no knowledge of where their graveyard will be when decommissioned. Yeah ISS missed this 😅.
Like Gargantua 1 from Venture Bros?
🎶Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.... 🎶
Fifty years from now, everyone will wish we had kept the thing, even if it was unmanned and quietly sitting in a higher orbit.
@@joshuatheone3234 since when is anybody abandoning space altogether? What you said is the dumbest thing since Trump.
@@MarkoVukovic0 Ironic considering Trump made the Space Force 😂
@@LilJbm1 ngl space force might be practical in the future not right now tho
Humans: leave literal *tons* of space trash like old satellites, bits and pieces of ships, and tons of other useless misc. garbage in space
Also Humans: let's make the ISS burn up then crash into the ocean!
@@LilJbm1Space Force violated several international treaties forbidding space warfare iirc. It was incredibly dumb.
Can’t wait for the headline “NASA in conflict with Space-X for docking fees being too high”
It's F-ing BS, mine and your grandparents and our parents paid for the technology that was given to their buddies in the commercial private sector, when will there ever be a technology dump on the citizens of this country who FINANCED ALL KNOWN SPACE TECHNOLOGY BORN IN THE UNITED STATES! THAT WAS OUR TECHNOLOGY AND THEY GAVE IT AWAY FOR FREE JUST TO SELL IT BACK TO US!? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
We've paid for it three times over and now we gotta pay for it again!?
80 GD years of technology that we paid for that they refuse to release to they financiers of the project, given away to commercial entities free, after thousands of deflection that it would be available to us in our lifetimes! My grandparents are all gone, my parents are on their way out, and it's looking like my grandchildren will never see the technology either! The Government has Robbed 5 generations of my family, they need to be put in their place!!!
Someone acquainted with reality
That doesn't make any sense, as NASA would also need Space-X to even get to the dock.
@@christopherboyle2403There are a few reasons nasa exists,
1.To create things in space to help everybody
2.To oversee space travel
3.To encourage other entities to go into space
@@nicmalugin-dm9ju and commercial entities exist for one reason.
1. Make money.
This means often "charge what the market will bare." when the market is a tax payer supported government entity, this tends to be a little more then you get from other commercial entities. The comment is completely within the context of reality.
They should put it in a graveyard orbit. It's a historical relict and should be preserved.
Good old method of just dumping it into the sea. Instead of sending it off into space to be found some billion years later or maybe into the sun. Nah, the ocean will do.
Leave it in graveyard orbit for the 1st space based museum
It's a tool not a building
@@geronimo5537it would be a graveyard orbit. It would still orbit the earth. Things dont just go flying off
And who's gonna fit the bill? Nasa gets very limited funding
I wish they went with the graveyard orbit so we could make it into a museum piece in the future.
Edit: Guys, there's been 200 replies. Do you really think no one has said anything about expense or space trash? You're making yourselves look like fools. And yes, I know trolls are going to reply because you can’t help yourselves.
Absolutely 100% agree 👍🏿
Far as I know, the amount of trash in orbit is already a problem. Adding more to it might make it impossible to launch new stuff or leave earth in the future
@@hobbypyromane2.05 That’s in low earth orbit. LEO is very busy, both with trash and active satellites, thus the problems with satellites having to dodge trash. There’s a lot less trash in the graveyard orbits and no active satellites that need to dodge.
The ocean isn’t even full yet and now we want to move it to space
I agree if only for the reason that later generations will look at us destroying it as a wasteful exercise and a tremendous loss to the history of humans venture into space having said that though maintaining it even as a future historical monument would be excessively expensive at the end of the day I don't know bugger all but that is my 2 cents on the matter
Some Whale: "Man, it's good to be alive!"
ISS: *nyoooommmm- BOOOOM!*
Maybe we can be friends!
(with apologies to The Guide)
"Man, it's good to be alive" what a typical whale thing to say
That’s where they test missles aswell
"Whale, it's so good to be alive"
"Oh no, not again."
commercial space agencies
definitely nothing to worry about
They said the same about planes 1🤷🏻♂️
@@The_DASHERplanes are terrible now and quite literally disassembling mid flight cause Boeing’s monopoly.
Profit motive never lines up with human need and advancement well
@@beebo7071 are you sure about that because just defeat Boeing ,Airbus has made technological advancements.If space companies want to stay profitable they HAVE to make tech advancement like Space x . Profit incentives can lead to human advancement under some form of regulation .
@The_DASHER Boeing and Airbus have a duopoly on comercial aviation. They aren't even trying to compete with each other through innovation. They both offer basically the same planes. And I'm not sure what innovations you think SpaceX has created that NASA, if given the same level of funding, wouldn't have created. The Falcon Heavy is still nowhere close to the payload capacity of NASA's Saturn V and that's a 60 year old rocket.
@@ZVPieGuy Yes Airbus and boieng have the same plane but this is because the industry has matured.There is a lot of space for innovation and space mining is a very lucrative opportunity.In present time space companies HAVE to innovate if they want to stay profitable.And i agree that NASA could have done what Space X has done if provided enough funding but the problem is that*where* the funds are coming from .Space X is privately funded whereas NASA is government owned so people don't like paying extra taxes.I understand that funding NASA is very important but the general public doesn't understand it so we have to make the space industry private with GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
The fact I’m living in a time where space is being slowly monopolised is insane.
Monopolisation is one thing... that's how it currently works.
The problem is a Monopoly with a strong incentive for profit at all cost.
@@bikkiikunAlso known as 'capitalism'. So long as the shareholders see Number Go Up quarter to quarter in perpetuity, they will not care what happens to make Number Go Up. This is the end goal of capitalism, Number Goes Up. Forever.
@bikkiikun there's not a single private company that doesn't pursue profit at all costs. This includes working to create monopolies and then price squeeze.
NASA used to monopolize it but haven't done anything useful in 30+ years.
@@mediocreman2 : They have done many useful things (high speed internet, GPS, batteries with high power density, fuel efficient engines, light weight materials, more precise weather forecast, atmospheric and geological measurements,... the list goes on and on and on), but none of them has been as "flashy" as the Moon Landing or the Space Shuttle Program.
Just because mainstream media doesn't report it, doesn't mean it's useful.
Feels great to hear a human speaking about this stuff. So sick of TTS/AI channels.
In 5-10 years, AI videos will be indistinguishable from this.
@@kaufmanat1I give it till April
@@MechaBorne you could be right.
@@MechaBorneApril Intelligence?
@@SilverBullet93GTNo, April is not too bright.
Make it into a museum, space tourism!
I was thinking the same. I know putting it into a higher orbit is more expensive. But is seems to me doing so would be a good idea if we wanna preserve it as part of our history.
@benjamin1313 it could also make money, with space tourism being a thing imagine how much money could be made charging people to go to the ISS museum
It would need someone taking to care of it
I don’t think you understand why it would need to be the decommissioned, it is constantly falling towards earth little by little as we speak, and needs to be constantly maneuvered to stay at float. Same thing happens with satellites, because satellites don’t last forever, unless they were a lot higher away from earth, making into a museum ignores this fact, and it will still crash to earth anyway, the issue is making sure that he does in one specific spot rather than at random
You don’t know how small the inside is 🤣🤣🤣
Step 1: Low orbit space station
Step 2: Moon orbit space station
Step 3: Mars orbit space station
Step 4: Explore the universe
Sorry, there was a mix-up at the printers. The instructions were swapped with the shampoo instructions. It's just to rinse and repeat step 1.😢
I was thinking on similar lines: sell it to a couple of big corporations, with a requirement that it be pushed to higher orbit or to Moon orbit. If all the experiments and associated "old tech" are stripped to the bare minimum, the empty modules would provide living and storage space for crews building Lunar landers and Mars ships.
It seems ludicrous not to find ways to retrofit and recycle all that tonnage of materials that cost bloody fortunes to launch up there.
@@markyarbrough5511As I understnd it, part of the problem for recycling is vacuum-welding. Over time, any lubricant in the couplers and connectors evaporates into space, making it extremely hard to unbolt or uncouple the various modules.
@@ralphm6901 I imagine there are some huge technical hurdles, but it seems like a task force of creative engineers could find solutions. At least they could invest enough to buy more time to come up with some ideas. I know they must be careful about generating space junk and it is not like the conditions are ideal for any sort of refurbishment work.
Meanwhile in the future “You’re Space station subscription has expired. Failure to pay will result in astronaut eviction”
It’ll be extremely sad when we can no longer see the ISS zipping through the sky :(
Same. The ISS was responsible for the crew of throwaways and misfits that I was in charge of in a remote Fire Rescue station in Hastings, FL. We loathed one another at first, but when I discovered the rest of the crew all had this latent space nerd affliction that I have a double dose of, ISS flyovers, the Torrid meteor streams, and iridium flares served to break down some personality walls and we ended up being a tight crew. Ian, Dallas, Kat, Dale, and Matty. I surely do miss those days.
Yeah
We get Skynet
Agreed it’s been part of space so long it feels odd to be without it
What are we struggling survive for again?
The ISS finna fall out of the sky before we get GTA 6
💀
Finna? Wtf sort of language are you using 🙄 grow up.
you should look for a sense of humor
@@rom4821you must be fun to be around
Finna... havent heard that since early 2000s😂
when science agency turns into a business agency, everything goes south
Worst timeline. This truly is the latest stage of capitalism.
True. Aesthetics are dead. All must be squandered in worship of money.
Explain further
@@larion2336 If aesthetics are dead, how come there's this CNC woodworking guy who makes artistic cutting boards making $18k a month for his business? Selling cutting boards for thousands a pop.
@@cryora Because that's still a small niche that attracts a handful of wealthy people. What I'm referring to is public infrastructure, construction, societal values, etc. Everything is made to be as cheap and disposable as possible in pretty much every strata of society... which ironically is probably the only reason these small niches appealing to the super rich are possible, they exist as exceptional counterpoints to the overwhelming mediocrity seen everywhere else.
@@larion2336Well to be fair going to space or climbing Mt. Everest are huge undertakings. A lot goes into them, and they don't offer financial returns, at least not enough to break even. That's why only the rich or the really dedicated can do them. Other people would have their lives ruined making futile attempts.
They definitely need to put that thing in a graveyard orbit for future historians. It can’t be THAT expensive.
The only thing NASA thinks about these days is cost.
@@wantedwario2621 I'm under the impression it's CO2.
@@wantedwario2621it’s because it’s funded by taxpayers. Americans decide (via congress)
It’s easier to crash it into mars than to send it to a graveyard orbit.
@@markuskoivisto Really? Interesting if true. 👍
We need to petition NASA to turn it into a museum.
it would be cheaper to build an exact replica here on earth.
How ? You want them to bring it back to earth ?
That would be wildly impractical.
A space museum. I think it would be worth boosting to higher orbit
there is an exact replica that exists on earth, I imagine this will be put into a museum somewhere once the stations service is complete.
Sadly, this is happening basically because of two main reasons...
1. They can't make any actual "profit" from or off of the ISS as it is, so it's "costing too much money" to keep it running... Hence the plans to change to a "commercial based" space station, where different big corporations can charge a "fee" for its use, etc...
(And)
2. Not enough people in today's overly self absorbed society actually care or even think about "space" or "space travel" or exploration anymore, because everyone nowadays is WAY too caught up in constantly watching and posting stupid and totally pointless stuff on their (anti-)"social media" account(s) and posting stupid "viral videos" to gain attention and "likes" from the Internet, just so they can feel like their daily otherwise boring life is meaningful enough to keep drudging through their daily existence, lol!
Sad, (and simple), but true!
^Finally, someone who sees the irony in today's society like I do. Lol
@@alexarroyo2445Exactly!
Totally it, it's not as if space weathering exists, being measured in detail since the 1960's.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_weathering
Nope, nothing ever wears out, it's all to make a profit.
And for the record, the ISS never made a profit, it was always a station where one poured money into to keep it functional. It's now at an age where major structural elements could begin to erode due to space weathering.
I always thought it was the self-absorbed people who cared about space travel, like the really rich guy who paid millions of dollars to go into space. These are the same type of people who climb Mount Everest.
The not so self-absorbed people would be more down the Earth, care about their communities, volunteer at their homeless shelters, or helping their local small businesses. That kind of stuff.
No chocolate eggs in space, just (hostile?) other species... Nothing to see here, keep moving... You didn't see anything, that was swamp gas...
NASA working with commercial agencies is really a scary thing
My son is 3 years old. When he was 2 years, one night he saw a light outside the window and I told him it might be the ISS (you can see it with your bare eyes). Of course it turned out to be an airplane. But his interest was sparked. I had to explain to him around 8 times that night what the ISS is and where it is. He absolutely loves the ISS and the two of us will be really bummed out when it finally stops orbiting our little planet.
It's been there during the 80's. It's old but yeah
@Aptol during the 80's?? 😂 Those were the soviet stations Salyut and MIR. The first part of the ISS went to space in 1998, and it has been occupied by astronauts since 2000.
My son is almost 3 and he mumbles things we don't understand. How do you have such advanced talk with your son at just 2?
@@adtc simple: he doesn't.
Bob! There is a phone app to track the ISS, it tells you when it appears and where to look. Your son will love it.
It’s crazy to hear about the EOL (End of life) plans for the ISS. I remember sitting in class in the 90’s learning about the ISS. Eyes glued to the photos and videos of rocket lunches with challenger shuttle and crew strapped in to assemble the ISS modules. It really was a feat of humanity especially coming out of the cold war and the fall of the USSR.
It took longer to build than is was actively being used. Construction started in the 90s and it was not completed until 2011. Total waste to throw it away.
@@Novusod bro our entire world is a waste we have so many resources and instead we deprive our world of them and pollute it at the same time
Haha, I remember hearing in the 90s that it would be completed in 2004!
@@NovusodIt was a total waste to build it.
@@HawkGTboynah ISS was used to create many medicines and technology experiments and upgrades that we use today
Imagine Neptunians visiting Point Nemo and finding all of our space junk there
Meanwhile at Pixar: "Well that'll make it easier to find Nemo..."
I like the graveyard orbit. It may be costly, but it would be a reminder for generations of where we started or a symbol to humanity if we had a near extinction event.
Exactly. Spend the money and save the stations orbit. Letting the iss go is like dismantling the great pyramids, an icon of human ingenuity
And ya like if civilization ever collapsed and started up again. Imagine discovering the iss for the first time and realizing how far humanity has made it before thousands of years ago
@J.Wolf90 It would be a symbol of what happens when humanity works together.
yes, or an even crazier idea - put in orbit around The Moon!
... it could work. It would just need to be speed up to 25K MPH (it is currently around 17K MPH - in current orbit). It would be way more expensive, though!
WOW just wow. I get why people wear masks now... Omg dumb
The ISS was already costly, NASA has never been about cost it’s been about education and discovery. I think they should let the public vote on it because I think most people agree it should be preserved as a space museum.
NASA's Budget is very small it's always about cost where's my new space shuttle?
They wouldn't need to destroy it if NASA hadn't sent that mentally unstable woman up there. She destroyed it.
Very few people have enough perspective on the topic
I mean the ISS is using up a large portion of the nasa budget, preventing them from bigger projects
@@woodrowtaylor6907 You are telling me Elon Musk or Bezos would not want to keep the ISS in orbit and make money?
The fisherman minding his own business in Point Nemo: 💀
Coast guard fine for littering in the US is up to $50,000 and/or 5 years in jail but for the Government no fine. What if it hits a big whale 🐳 or a sailboat ⛵ crossing the ocean. 🤦♂️
No sailboats near point Nemo, and the damage caused would be insignificant compared to literally any other waste dumped into the ocean.
We should put it into a graveyard orbit! Not only could we keep it up there as a last-ditch effort like a lifeboat... But once we start to get more and more into space I would love to see it as a museum piece! I could almost see an episode of cowboy bebop about it!! Kinda like the Shuttle episode
NOT the space lobster one, PLEASE not the space lobster one...
have you seen earth now? we have a ring of trash in space now. if we add more trash telescopes wont be able to see planets or aliens. an that trash we have in space cost millions an it traps us in earth. so when were a type 2 we wont be able to go to mars or venus because it would be to risky to get out of earth.
We could use it as a storage shed, always nice to have extra storage :)
A life boat?! For who/what to rescue?! The whole point of a lifeboat is to keep people safe, until they can be rescued.
It would be stuck in the graveyard orbit, so it's not like people could go there and take it to Mars or Titan. If this were star trek, we had warp drives, and a fleet of apace faring vessels, maybe. It's unlikely though. Two reasons:
1. If the last ditch effort is because war/weapons make the planet uninhabitable ... the opposition will probably shoot a launched craft down before it reaches space.
2. If mankind has to leave due to climate change, then they probably won't be able to launch with enough food to last until they are self-sufficient or rescued.
Even as a museum, chances are "space tourism" won't be a thing common for everyday individuals.
@@Torsion It would be something to keep it operational for rich tourists. At least it would be still being used. I love seeing the ISS passing over, going to miss her when she’s gone.
ISS is an international project and it’s not NASA alone that will be deciding ISS fate.
It would be NASA’s decision, not even Roscosmos+ESA combined can run the space station without the US’s support. The former because of money/manpower and the latter because they don’t have the technology.
The US could easily detach the 5 modules out of 14 owned by other countries. We wouldn't need them to make a space museum. It would be cool to have in its current configuration but pretending the US can't do whatever it wants with the bulk of the station is disingenuous.
@@jameshathaway5117 bunch of malarkey, if US could it already would. US still pays Russia to get US astronauts to ISS.
Detach using the arms that were built by Canada?
@@jameshathaway5117the US segment doesn’t have any thrusters so it wouldn’t be able to go anywhere. Also the US/Russian segments have been mated for 25 years now, and they have likely cold welded to each other, so they can’t separate even if they wanted to
Nah, fly it into the sun--there, I solved the problem 😎
Elon will turn it into his own personal penthouse apartment.
ISS is not owned by NASA , its collaboration between multiple nations so no single nation or agency has sole ownership of the craft
Russia has already stated their half of the station will be used as foundation for a new Russian space station. NASA can say whatever they want but they don't have a say over all of it.
It’s a collaboration between NASA and Roscosmos, the other nations are there as an invitation from both of those nations. Even the ESA modules are legally owned by the US as part of the treaty.
Since Roscosmos doesn’t have the resources to hold up their end of the bargain, the ISS is defacto a NASA-lead project. If NASA pulls out, the station can no longer exist as nobody else can afford it.
Out of 14 modules the US owns all but 5... yeah not so much bud.
@@jameshathaway5117 That's not how that works. NASA built most of it, it does not mean they own it.
The ISS singular modules have owners, not the entire station.
Most countries have washed their hands of it because of the costs.
Imagine spending Billions of dollars putting all those modules into space only to be like "lets this burn thing up now."
The US budget is in Trillions.
@@xl000And yet the average American is homeless...
Yes. So many preaching about wasting money and resources for this to be their answer?!
@@manuel.camelo The US homeless rate is .17%. hardly the average
The intrusive thoughts win...
NASA 2018: Where the aliens at?
NASA 2028: Ayo everyone gonna come get you.
I can't believe I still have a poster in my room at my parents house from the 90s with a schedule of the ISS future deployment. I remember thinking it's going to be years for it to be built. Now it's coming down. Time flies.
Sad to see it go as i remember having an assembly back in elementary in the 90s. During it some NASA employees brought a space suit and a diagram of the iss before it was fully built. They were talking about how it was still currently building it. Now, they are looking to retire it.
I always figured it was going to go down in the Pacific... I do like the raise it up indefinitely idea. Always a thrill to see it blazing across the sky.
I've seen it with own eyes it's amazing catching its reflection at night 😭 I really hope we boost it up to indefinite orbit
The commercialization of space is quite possibly the most tragic thing I've witnessed in my 40 trips around the sun...
The iss was built by boeing lockheed northrop grumann
The space shuttle that assembled it was built by rockwell and lockheed
The object that will deorbit it by spaceX
Nasa does not build a lot of stuff mainly rovers at jpl
From apollo to artemis nasa has always relied on private contractors to do its biding and it has shown to be a vastly superior aproch to doing everything in house
I reckon they'll pull a Cod Ghosts and play Doom music as they invade it 😂😂
"Commercial space stations"
This is the start to all of the sci fi distopian futures ive read
no, that was started in the '90s and likely much earlier. This is why certain private bunkers are so big and hidden ... and others have their own rockets ... Putin (aye comrade, itz all for the greater good), JoeBrandon?, Musk (best rockets this side of Apollo), Bezos, The Virgin Galactic guy (maybe)!
Don’t worry, just some asteroid mining, done be AI cyborgs. What could go wrong?
Edit: oh, and absolute drop dead gorgeous 80s girl android prostitutes.
Yes, dystopian, just like commercial air travel and commercial cruises are dystopian
Between nueralink and private corpo space stations sh*ts about to get real Gundam in here
@@Peter-xx6tzi mean today's world is pretty dystopian already. The problems are just too big and spreadout that we don't see it or even care
I still see the ISS every now and again. Passes over here quite a bit. I use an app that shows satellites.
Fish in Point Nemo be like "aaaaahh not againnnn"
Imagine there’s an aquatic civilization in its early stages at Nemo’s point and there’s just high tech space debris coming down from the heavens.
I think many people are failing to consider that a space station doesn't just stay in an orbit by itself. Stationkeeping requires that you fire thrusters to correct for orbital drag. If you don't keep maintaining this, it will eventually fall out of orbit, and re-enter the atmosphere. If that should happen, there would be no way of controlling where the debris lands. It costs money to keep sending fuel up to the station to maintain orbit. It would cost even more money to raise it to a considerably higher orbit. It might be sad to see it go, but a controlled de-orbiting is the only cost effective way to safely scrub the station.
If you guys give Zelensky less money you might actually put it in an higher orbit and start building a new one.
This!!!@@robymaru03
We can do a controlled orbital decay. Calculate how long it takes for the force of gravity to do its thing, and when it's in the proper position make the necessary adjustments from there to ensure it lands where we want it.
Guess what all the wars caused by USA, funding CIA to commit their endless crimes against humanity and black budget cost even more money, money not well spent, would have been better spent on peaceful space exploration and ISS.
@@robymaru03 If the Russians weren't dickheads we wouldn't be wasting money on war in the first place.
Im sick of giving everything to companies for profit. NASA is funded to invent, do, and build. Not rent and give all of our tax money to the billionaires.
nasa used private contractors there was always a profit motive.
100% this.
Side note. Did you know President Nixon was given 2 choices from Nasa. They could make the space shuttle program or focus going to Mars because they didn't have to money to do both.
So Nixon chose the space shuttle because it looked cooler and would be a better to hold over the Soviet Union, and there was no point in rushing to Mars snice the Soviet Union isn't trying to go there also.
A single NASA launch of the SLS costs more than SpaceX's entire Starship program including all R&D. NASA sucks at its job and has cornered the American taxpayer into some of the least cost effective space hardware ever to fly. It's specifically because NASA sucked soo bad at its job that the entire world had to go to Russia from 2011 on and pay 84 million a seat for rides to the ISS. Now SpaceX provides the same service to NASA at less than 84 million PER LAUNCH. That means we get 3 seats and cargo for less than the cost of 1 seat. The days of NASA making any sense as a space launch provider are long gone. The SLS cost us 11.8 billion to design and the subsequent launches still cost 2.2 billion each...
@jameshathaway5117 for every dollar we put into Nasa we made 4 dollars back
@@soppybottomboys1195 yep and for every 25 cents we put into commercial space programs we get the same return... did you think the science just stopped when we go commercial? Not so we just don't spend stupid amounts making it happen. A single Starship has a nearly identical internal volume as the ISS. Taxpayers could replace the ISS in a single launch and still own the hardware outright. It's time to put away the outdated ways and do things that make sense instead of just lining the pockets of US congress. By going commercial nobody has to slip politicians bundles of cash and build hardware in stupid places before shipping them across the country for exorbitant costs. Nothing about the old government program was better than a commercial program. We can buy hardware from other companies way cheaper than having NASA do it.
Imagine being an alien and just finding an entire abandoned space station floating through space. Would’ve been really cool:(
Just put the ISS in the moon like a auxiliary space station
The ISS is essentially a modular assembly. The smart thing to do would be to progressively upgrade and replace components, essentially giving it an unlimited lifespan.
"ThAt wOuLD cOsT ToO mUcH mOnEY"
Yeah, too expensive and it would only profit the mind and knowledge, not the companies. Not worth it
@@OistheOne Actually, it would be far less expensive, then building a new space station, which is exactly what they would end up doing. By replacing components over a longer period of time, the cost would not only be lower than full replacement, it would be distributed over a period of years and decades.
@@patmanley8634 Far less expensive according to who? You? Setting aside the costs of designing modules that are compatible with legacy tech and sending new modules to space, there are hurdles like taking (big) things apart in space and performing replacement with old technology.
Sure. If we stop provoking conflicts everywhere and stop funding military bases, which, let’s be honest, are more provocative than defensive, we would have the money for space.
@@dznuts123 The thing you’re talking about makes no sense. What legacy technology? You continuously upgrade like it’s done in factories, on ships and in aircraft. Also, doing construction and construction maintenance work in space on the ISS and satellites has been going on for decades now. That’s no longer an obstacle. Yes, according to me, it will be less expensive both on an annual basis and in total, not to mention that it will remain fully functional where replacing it will mean we will have no space station for years thus losing valuable research time, revenue and opportunities for scientific advancement.
Astronauts onboard: Hey! Were still living in here!
Lol
That was the most unfunny thing I’ve heard in weeks
@@nicholaswhatts1380party pooper fr
Its nice to see the Fisheye lens module working quite well.
I wonder how much lead you were exposed to as a child in order to end up this “special”
@@ultra-nationalistodst8085
Homeboy wore a feed bag full of paint chips.
Makes sense. We can’t have straws but nasa can have a spaceships graveyard
please someone film that. it will be spectacular
Ok I got you
a spectacle worth a Darwin award 😢
I wasn't sure if they had found Nemo yet.
😂
Point Nemo was named in 1992 after Captain Nemo, the main character in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, written by Jules Vern in 1869.
@@riproar11so nemo was never lost...
@@emptyacronym Uh, Nemo doesn't exist in real life.
@@riproar11 that's what you think, nemo denier
Nasa; dump it in the ocean around the world everywhere people are cleaning the ocean😂
You should look up the real reason it's being scuttled.
A woman went crazy over not having her way, and not only infamously drilled holes in the hull, but launched excrement into the air - effectively ruining it.
Why do we have to give everything to the fkn corpos
It’s cost a lot of money. NASA doesn’t have a lot of money.
It saves money in the long run.
Convice congress real quick to dump tons of money into NASA then no corps
Nasa doesn't have infinite money, even if they did its better to not waste the materials instead of wasting ut
@@therealcellar1969we need to invest more into nasa
Crashing the ISS in point Nemo could awake Cthulhu
Fingers crossed!
Every other bit of space debris that has been dropped there hasn't awakened the beast.
@@andrewhoneywell5244 Why must you hurt me like this?!
Or Godzilla😮
My skills from Hardspace: Shipbreaker could finally come in handy! 😮
They should turn it into a permanent space monument. Or put it out in orbit as a emergency space shelter in case something goes wrong on a future mission .
Actually going to miss looking up in the sky in the wee parts of the morning in the fall and seeing it. Lots of memories watching it as a kid
RUclips needs to fix the fact that we cant adjust the volume of the video itself when on shorts.
Also, if you click on a short after a search and back out of it, youtube scrolls you all the way back to the top of the search. It's so annoying.
And you can't fast forward or rewind or save it to watch later. Useless, also it's in vertical format and clips out the majority of a scene. Useless!
@@riproar11 Ikr, yet here we are :D
@@pinocleen I've learned to write my comment in a text file and cut and paste it in when ready to post. So many times I have written a comment and as I scroll down a tiny bit to hit the blue "reply", YT scrolls to the next short video, and my written comment is lost for good. Useless! The sad thing is that within five years, RUclips is going to become TikTok with countless Idiocracy-causing videos.
If i manage to film the Deorbiting my name would go down in history
I predict a few fish having frightening futures
You didnt cite the main reason the graveyard orbit wasnt accepted. The ISS is the biggest man-made object in space. If debris were to hit and destroy it, the amount of debris it would produce would be absolutely catastrophic, possibly contributing to an early start to kessler syndrome.
Important! I hope you get more upvotes or a heart from @planetarysociety so this gets pinned up top :/
you scarred bro?
I believe this is the most salient point, given the number of cluster sattelites going up lately. Defense satellites are also an issue.
@@user-dd4nx2js8xof millions of metal pieces going 17500 mph? Yeah
If it's in a graveyard orbit, that doesn't matter. Do you not understand how distant a 36,000km orbit is?
Imagine if you left your watch on the ISS
Hope whoever does that will be able to continue their lives 😢
Nasa yes, space yes, oh what were you saying sorry I was looking at your eyes
She could tell me the ISS was going to land on my house and I'd be cool with it
Problem is, the heat & cold cycles or orbit expand & contract the modules…limiting their safe life span.
Turning it into a museum might be dangerous to revisit
Its been constantly inhabited since 2000. I wonder if it took a few months of being empty if it would simply fail with nobody around to maintain it.
@@nitehawk86
Probably, then who knows where parts of it will land...
Where exactly were you going with this?
Its a shame that the ISS has to go, It is an amazing masterpiece created by Humanity and to just let it burn up would be extremely sad. I don't understand why ISS has to be deorbited or retired. Why can't the station just be left in Orbit still functional and i know that just abandoning the ISS would be bad as it can collide with debris and become debrie itself and threaten functional Satellites but why cant it be left functional and be used for research purposes that it has been used till now. Another unfortunate thing is that NASA won't create another Space Station and would just rely on commerical agencies as they can do whatever they want and they need not be used for research purposes. I am against the commerical use of Space. I want space to be a research frontier, a place where humanity learns more about the universe and not be a vacation spot for people. I dearly hope that NASA or some other space agency creates another Space Station that they own and use it for research
it cost alot to keep in service and its outdated.
The only way for space exploration to continue is for it to be commercial, cause research wise it will still be done but the government isn't concerned with space exploration
@@blakedeslauriers5193 that's not true, the government definitely does put emphasis on Space Exploration plus research based is still the way to go if we want to explore space not commercial
It surprisingly has a lot of wear and tear. It costs a lot just to keep it running as well. With potentially larger rockets being used construction a space station will be faster than ever before and will cost less.
@@Isaac-eh6uu I know and that's a great thing but NASA is not planning to build another space station in LEO, that's my concern, I know about Gateway but a station in LEO is also quite necessary, and stations built by commercial agencies will most probably be not fully tasked with research purposes
It’s a shame its way too expensive to retrieve it and put into a museum
"Don't know what you got 'til it's gone."
Lmao poor nemo went through 2 movies just to get blasted by space trash
Watching the ISS coming in is going to be wild
Imma catch me a space station boys.
Imagine being on a boat at point Nemo and getting hit by an ISS..
That’s the way I want to go
I like the graveyard orbit idea better
More expensive
@@Aptol Why are you pretending they said it wasn't more expensive?
Giving the space stations to private corporations sounds terrible and something that will be terrible for science
Nasa will be buying the stations
Better than letting it burn up or exist as the first space ghost town
But it'll be great for business!
Don't you want to rent a space station from someone who can't even keep Twitter flying?
Governments are terrible at spending taxpayers money. They keep "losing" billions of dollars and have zero repercussions.
The west would still be relying on Russian rockets to get to the ISS if it wasn't for private companies like SpaceX! They did it better than the government ever thought possible.
Thanks for making this informative and easily digestible. I could hear you talk about space all day.
The ISS will end up almost like the Enterprise D did😭
Option 3. Door Dash Taco Bell on Space X. Consume. Astronauts point asses out the window, pushing the ISS into deep space.
This comment needs to go viral
Me and the boys going to point Nemo to pick up spacecraft scrap. 😎
and then you get arrested for theft once you get home
It's not in any countries borders (i guess), so you may even kill people there and get away with it@@Tornado2409
Imagine not leaving it up there to use as spare parts for new installations.
I impressed myself, understanding every word you said. Thanks for sharing.
I argue it would’ve actually been very reasonable to send it to a graveyard are a bit just because it’s a very important piece of history and it would’ve been nice to be able to have future generations visit it in like 100 years of here is our first major exploration of space
Only problem: there woulg be no commercial space station in 2028
They could basically use starship dissemble and recover and put into museum.
If it was bigger, they'd turn it into a McDonalds.
It’s amazing with how much it cost that parts of it aren’t being moved to other projects. The costs of moving all new components into orbit for a new station will be astronomical. Figure some companies would buy up the heaviest, newest and most expensive components and dispose of the rest.
Imma be at Point Nemo with a dingy and a giant net when the ISS debris rains from the sky.
I just hope we don’t have a similar incident to the submarine one in space because of companies greed 😅😅 👀👀
I can only imagine how much a ticket to go there would be
I wish they would use the ISS to experiment with orbital recycling and manufacturing. I was hoping that a space station or stations could perform separation, sorting, creation of base materials, and using non-recyclables to blend into fuels. This would reduce the cost of boosting new materials into orbit. It would also be a place where orbital robots could gather and then recycle dead satellites and space junk to make new hardware that is already in orbit and, therefore, less expensive - because it's already in orbit! 😁👍😉
That's a good idea
I finally found somebody else who figured this out! It's a no-brainer. It's the most valuable scrap man has made so far. It would be criminal to waste it like that.
Replace the ISS with a rotating space station! If we construct it by connecting 24 modules each being 21 meters long the station would be nearly circularly in shape and have a diameter of about 160 meters. Or we start by building one half that size to prove the concept. We really need to create artificial gravity for long term space missions.
After watching 2001: A Space Odyssey, I really figured we'd have wheel space stations by now. I wonder why they were ruled out? Maybe because it would be too difficult to build them incrementally, and too expensive to build all at once.
Halo Ring would be lit
@@islandseeker1260They make people super motion sick very quickly because your head and your feet have different amounts of “gravity” acting on them. The rings would have to be absolutely massive to negate it.
They should’ve put it in the graveyard orbit. Environmentally, throwing that thing into the ocean is a hazardous waste nightmare.
The fish sure won't appreciate that blasting into their home.
‘Commercial space agencies’
This is how accidents happen.
EDIT: No, accidents during testing don't reflect the final product & it's ability to function correctly & safely.
The probem will be when Space X decides to use an Xbox control as a means of controlling the spacecraft 😆😆
EDI #2
We've seen plenty of instances in history where corner cutting & bottomlining has lead to large scale castatrophies. What makes commerical space agencies any different? There's certainly more room for it to happen.
So you don't know about SpaceX?
😂
Lol deregulation
@BeenHereSine2007 so you don't know about spacex??? How many of their rockets have blown up... sorry "unscheduled rapid disassembly"
@@MrMonoposon You left out the part where they've learned from those events and get it right not long after.
I can see why you'd leave that out.
It would cancel out your argument.
Instantly.
@BeenHereSine2007 Twitter is burning to the ground. Tesla is a commercial nightmare. Musk is being increasingly outted as a jackass and toxic af. But sure let's pay him tax dollars even after the innumerable times he's taken tax payer money and given basically nothing in the case of the California hyperloop, or a worse subway in the case of Vagas.
we need to conserve space 'history' in stead of destroying it.
Secondly, it was an outrage to interrupt permanent human presence in space between the Mir and the ISS. That needs to be avoided!
It all comes down to cost and anything having to do with space is expensive.
Do you understand how much fuel it would take to boost the ISS into a graveyard orbit?
@@richardmillhousenixon do you understand how future historians will view your shortsighted comment?
Perhaps a solar sail could help decrease fuel requirements.
Perhaps a controlled release of the atmosphere of the decomissioned ISS could also decrease fuel requirements.
@@DoctorOnkelap Future historians may regret more wasn't done to save the ISS, though it still could be by some miracle, but they will likely recognize the reality of financial constraints we face in our time.
@@DoctorOnkelap The ISS weighs 450,000 kilograms. It has 1,000 cubic meters of pressurized volume, pressurized to 14.7psi. With an air mass of 1.2 kilograms per meter squared, and assuming the air leaves at approximately the speed of sound, it would give the ISS a whopping 1 meter per second of deltaV. (Change in velocity). A solar sail that is 800 meters by 800 meters would provide a whopping five Newtons of thrust, accelerating the ISS at a whopping 0.00001 m/s². That's assuming the solar sail has no mass. Just to get the ISS into a transfer orbit, i.e. with the perihelion at the same altitude, would take 2.5 kilometers per second of change in velocity. At 0.00001 meters per second, that would take 250 million hours. Or in other words, 10.4 million days, or 28 thousand years. You do not know what you are talking about.
Why don't they just leave it there just in case Sandra Bullock or George Clooney need something to grab onto. 😁
Though I know why they're bringing it down and fully understand it, I wholeheartedly believe that we (as a whole) will one day regret that decision; Maybe not anytime soon, but definitely decades down the road.