How NOT to design a Gas Mask
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- A look at How NOT to design a Gas Mask, in this video we look at the failed Cheek-filter design gas masks, where rather than taking an external cannister type filter, which was common prior to the design of the American M17 respirator, the mask has two small filters which sit inside the cheeks of the mask.
The filters cannot be easily replaced as the filter pouches are smaller than the filter to keep the filter from falling out.
The filters are smaller than normal 40mm or 60mm filters so expire faster.
The filters are constantly exposed to the air once installed and therefore can expire prior to coming into contact with chemical agents.
Worst of all the filter cannot be changed without taking the mask off, if the filter expires during a chemical weapon attack the wearer is doomed.
The masks featured in the video are the:
Bulgarian PDE-1 Gas mask.
Czechoslovakian M10 Gas mask.
Czechoslovakian M10m Gas mask.
Polish MP-4 Gas Mask.
American XM28 "Grasshopper" Gas Mask.
Soviet PBF Gas Mask.
While the XM28 and the PBF are better than all of the other cheek filter masks they are still a flawed design.
I also compare the American M9 Respirator and the British Light anti-gas mask, both good examples of lightweight 60mm masks available prior to the design of the M17 mask.
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I was taught that one of the reasons for the cheek filter style was that in instances of hand to hand combat, one could grab the opposition's filter or hose and pull the mask off or cut the hose. I'm not sure how often that would come up, though, in actual combat.
If you happen to be in a cloud of toxic gas and also happened to run into an enemy soldier in hand to hand distance who doesn't have his weapon at the ready. Would you rather just to try and stab him vs try to screw off his gas mask filter
@@MohamadDasyrian he said pull the mask off not unscrew the filter
Also another reason was if in the prone position and shooting yiur weapon, that outside filter can get snagged on an object. Like tree branches a d break the seal.
Personally that mask (M17 ) series was issued to me and I still prefer this mask. To the M40 that was made of silicone and needed a 2nd skin to protect the mask.
Also, if only your rifle with no ammo, I'd swing the weapon right at the exposed filter and break it off of the gas mask!
End of enemy!
"I am in an environment that is contaminated by a nerve agent so potent that a single drop of it on my skin or in my mask could kill me. I have spent all day in this environment which means that the outside of my protection gear is likely covered in the stuff. But it's time to change my filter so I will now take off my mask and attempt put in a new filter by handling it and the inside of my mask with my contaminated hands while closing my eyes and holding my breath"
"Yup. I see nothing wrong with this scenario" Said at least one person working in an office and being paid way more than the poor bastards who ended up having to use the deathtraps that are those things.
To be fair on the cheek filter masks the filter was never meant to be changed in a gas scenario, but the issue was, you had very little time to evacuate compared to canister masks, lots of people have this wishful thinking fallacy with the cheek filter masks saying, "You'd always be evacuated in time." but how do they know that, if high quantities of phosgene and chlorine were used the mask could become useless in minutes.
Not to mention it is perfectly possible that in many situations it could take days before the poor bastards can get decontaminated and safely remove their protection gear.
I was a chemical guy in the US army during the late 90's-early 2000's when we were using the M40 protective mask, and I was the NBC room guy for a few years of my service. The M17 had just been phased out of the regular army, and the national guard were using them. I got to work with an M17 and it was a real pain to change the filters. My uncle was a Desert Storm vet and we discussed how much of a pain these masks were as well. The M40 was a vast improvement over the M17 in my opinion. Back then though, most of the US army had a running joke about the NBC acronym and Chemical warfare in general (NBC = Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, which is now called CBRN = Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear), which was "No Body Cares". That might be why the M17 mask saw service for so long. Even top brass didn't seem to care much about chemical warfare and took a dismissive attitude towards it.
Yeah it's an interesting thing, some vets tell me they loved the M17 and others hated it, I guess it really depended on if you thought you'd need it and what your job was.
Also the whole CBRN name change is a bit stupid, I can understand ABC (atomic, biological, chemical) changing to NBC as the hydrogen bomb was invented. But the R in CBRN means Radiological protection, none of this gear offers any protection from x-rays and gamma rays.
Other gas mask
I need a new filter
*screws off filter*
*screws on new filter*
Cheek mask
I need a new filter
*Holds breath*
*takes off mask, exposing it to the poison*
*Swaps out cheek filters*
*passes out from lack of oxygen*
Yeah you'd also contaminate the inside of the mask even if you somehow managed to rip out and replace two filters within about a minute.
just carry 2 masks 🙄
@The Xenomorphian at this point, you might aswell just hold your breath, will last longer than theese filters
oh yeah and i meant the CZ mask M10-M
The mask looks cool, but fails to do the job for long extensive combat.
Yeah looking cool is not as good as keeping the user alive.
Bullshit!
In theory a good idea, but as soon as they knocked up prototypes they should've realized;
These things are impractical as all hell.
"The lightweight prototype weighs more than the last mask we had and you also can't change the filter in combat."
Military brass, on point as per usual.
Obviously a year late. I could see the benefits in combat i actually have to specifically look for a mask with a filter on the right because im a left handed shooter. But hey the military has to blow their monies somewhere
@@allanragnarson7898 most masks, especially modern ones have two filter intakes.
I disagree. They work great. Been used for a very long time. Very good mask. Very functional. Sorry if your having a hard time changing these filters. Maybe this was by design. Think about that.
my dad was and Air force MP in the 80s and was constantly trained with an M17 mask on, he absolutely hated the thing but did say that if you wanted some sleep, prop yourself up and wear your M17 cause its hard to tell if your awake or not. He later got the MCU-2/P which is a mask that is just awesome, he managed to hang onto it for all these years.
I have an MCU-2/P, sadly mine is damaged but it's a big improvement on the M17, I have an actual M17 on order now, so I can talk about the real deal when it arrives.
can't wait to hear about it and actually see if their just as bad as my dad says (I don't think ill be surprised)
need to change your name to "gasmasksAndstuff" lol
Everyone knows me under this name so I wouldn't change it.
Plus you've already watermarked all your video's
Well the thing is he's doing more weapons and stuff now
Got the M10M mask from Czech republic... it is a PITA to change the cheek filter...$29.00. Fun to have a part of history.
Yeah cool as artefacts
Thank you for the information. I did not have even the remotest desire to design a gas mask, but now I know what not to do if I ever change my mind.
Fair enough.
The xm28 looks really cool and futuristic
It's what the M17 was meant to be.
I’d wear that anyday
Yea its pretty cool.It was made during the vietnam war.
Xm28 looks kinda like an enclave helmet from fallout
The Soviet one looks a lot like a Chinese gas mask that was sold on the US surplus market a few years ago. It looked terrible and the inability to change the filters during use was a nonstarter for me.
Do you mean the Chinese M65 gas mask? That's supposedly one of the worst cheek filter masks, one giant filter on one side of the mask, supposedly it's an asbestos filter as well.
Just a minor nitpick. The tank that was so bad that the School of Tank Technology used it as an example of bad design was the (A38) Valiant Tank. The Covenanter was a cavalry tank designed as a competitor to the Crusader and saw production of 1,771 units. Despite being a fine take of similar capability to the Crusader, the Covenanter never saw service due to having issues with cooling... at a time when the British were almost exclusively fighting on the African front.
Yes you are correct, but loads of other people beat you to point it out.
Trained with the M17 Gas Mask in the last century... Today a commercial Full Face Mask would be better than the M17 ! Thank you for the video ! tjl
I think most masks even at the time were better than the M17 sadly, now I actually have an M17A2, the rubber quality is nice and such, but the thing is stupidly bulky compared to the other masks being used in the 1960-90 period and the internal filters are a horrible idea. I really ought to get a 3M full face mask to test at some point though.
Hello, I like gas masks but I’m not educated enough on them. That’s why I was wondering how you know when your filter needed to be replaced? It is just harder to breathe?Thanks.
+Spectrum Certain amount of time being open, exposed to gas.
When you start to smell something or feel ill?
The general rule is 24 hours exposed to bad air.
some have colouring agent that discolours when exposed to gas, and can be visually inspected. Otherwise check the package, they should say how long they last and just consider that as the absolute max time.
3 years sealed (technically 10, but do you want to bet your life on it?) , 30 days after opened, 24 hours while in use.
Always read the manual that comes with your mask.
when you showed the cheek filter's inside i was like: where's the charcoal?
In there just not very much
As the that last gas mask the inspiration for the gas masks in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R series?
Yes the STALKER gas masks are PBF masks but with canister filters not cheek filters.
I wish they would design the pbf with 40mm in mind
It looks really cool
Also used by the Georgian riot units
The Russian ones look pretty beefy. For a moment there I thought it was just a pair of regular filters, but slightly compact due to a thinner shell and more integrated shell (or something comparable to that) and with a "cover" on top (except the cover is part of the mask). Come to think of it, to me that sounds like a more viable prototype. Basically, you have two integrated regular filters, but only one actually active/open at a time, so if it starts to fail for any reason, you don't need to switch anything, you just open up the other one and close the other. Two filters in a row should be enough imo, if you're expecting to be under constant exposure for such a long time it seems more like a job for an air tank than a gas mask.
Well that's basically the Avon M50/Scott GSR.
2:28 this is in polish
it says:
(black) Before use read the manual
(grey) Do not use in rooms where air contains less than 17% of air
(yellow) Doesn't protect from carbon monoxide (CO)
(white) After use seal hermeticly
Thanks for the info, very generic filter information then.
jeez, i need one of these for allergy season!
Yeah they at least stop hayfever.
Another thing I've thought about with cheek filter masks is that once the filters are installed you just slip on the mask and adjust the straps. So a cheek filter mask is easier to put on but that still doesn't make up for the cons.
+Illegalskittles You can do that with a cannister mask though, even though you should leave a filter sealed prior to use, lots of masks are often stored with the filter attached.
You're still pissed off from the last vid lol
I've actually been meaning to do this for a while.
These are Fallout Power Armor helmets made from rubber. Nice.
But in all seriousness, nice video, easy to understand too.
9:56 my dad was issued an M17 as part of his kit during desert shield, when he was in the Marine Corps Reserve. Granted he was supply/admin in 4th L.A.I. But I remember him telling me, “nerve gas smells like fresh cut grass” usually while we were mowing the lawn lol. Only now do I realize how exponentially screwed he would have been if the Saddam regime ACTUALLY HAD bio/chem weapons. With the masks being as poor as they are and the fact they told the troops they’d have time to put them on AFTER they smelt nerve gas. Anyway thank you so much for the information you’ve provided to other viewers and I, for free mind you, I really do appreciate it. Sending some brotherly love from CA, keep up the phenomenal work man!
Cheers, I believe phosgene gas smells like hay or grass. Nerve agents are meant to be like fruity smells
@@Weaponsandstuff93 Could very well be.
Ur a good RUclipsr, you just earned another subscriber
Cheers
This video was in my recommended (for some reason) and don't know why as I'm not in this WW2 community, but I actually find this bare interesting, thanks G
Well these are not WW2 masks but fair enough, glad you enjoyed it.
I think you are looking more into these mask in a non-military but rather as a civilian point of view. There are practical reasons for cheek filter mask. There is a reason why they cloned these in many countries. Where you in the military? Did you ever operate equipment in tight spaces? Did you ever fire a weapon with a gas mask on? Have you ever had disposed canisters or what you deem as being trash get used against you by the enemy? Like using a disposed canister to be used as improvised explosive devices? Have you ever seen someone waste rounds or waste filters by being scared or being panicked? Have you ever used a gas mask in the bush? Did you ever give any thought about tunnel warfare? Crawl in one with a canister mask and see how that goes. I trained with M17 mask. I don't need no stinkin canister gas mask!
Honestly the only good thing these cheek filter masks is that they're perfect for cosplay since people wouldn't know if your mask has the filters installed or not. Therefore I won't have to waste any good 40mm filters or use old and/or asbestos-ish filters.(I do just slightly believe that asbestos-ish filters are rather safe as long as it's new and hasn't been damaged). Other than that, good luck finding cheek filters that are new and even if you have those then pray to whatever higher being you believe in or at least hope that the filters haven't been exposed to the air for too long.
P.S.: If I had the money and skills, I'd open up a company and produce universal 40mm filters in various casing styles like current modern, 70s Soviet, and etc and have them... Idk how to word it... Have them in ABEK-P3 for actual use and in P1 for cosplay use.
P.P.S.: Asbestos-free of course.
Yeah visually they look cool.
The cheek filter gas masks look pretty cool but nothing beats the GP series.
GP series is technically the ShM series, the more you know.
Pick up that can!
Little note on the EO-19 - it was intended for military use, but documentation I've seen seems to indicate they were primarily meant for tank crews who were in many cases operating vehicles with their own NBC seals. The intention as far as I understand it was that it was more of a last-ditch option for vehicles that may have been breached by enemy fire when NBC agents were in use, but weren't knocked out entirely. That's the reason for the design of the eyepiece on this type of mask - it's meant to make it easier for a crewman to use the optics on an armored vehicle - as well as the ears - meant to make it easier for the crewman to use a radio headset in the vehicle.
A Russian told me a while ago they were actually intended for use before over-pressure NBC systems kicked in.
The MM1 is actually a better earlier tank mask.
Definitely. It's a bit of a pain to use optics with from what I've seen/been told, but I think it'd be a far more useful design by a long shot.
Dunno why this was in my recommended but it was really interesting! Subbed 😄
Cheers
In my opinion the cheek filter masks are good for some scenarios like a protest or riot, when you know you will get tear gased and you won't have to change a filter
This is how most of them were used.
the cheel filter masks were made to remedie the problem of the larg bulky filters catching on, for example, a tripwire which was a defining feature of vietnam
Yet the US had adopted the M17 before even going into Vietnam
The only defense for the M17, it looks cool, and looking cool is half the battle.
Yeah certainly does look cool
The last one on the right looks like a Combine gas mask
Because the Combine concept art was based on Soviet stuff, the original concept image of a Metrocop is a normal PMG gas mask.
The last one is issued to Georgian riot police and I always called those guys the Combines
@@Weaponsandstuff93 why cant we own m17s, looking to nab one for a Vietnam Kit
@@prestond.3339 I can't remember exactly, but I believe something to do with American imports being illegal, or something to that effect, which is why he doesn't own an M17 or showcase one in this video despite it being one of the most popular examples of a cheek filter gas mask.
9:04 the Combine send their regards
I heard that PBF was created for only one short use. For example- you jump out of plane with parachute to infected area with this gasmask on you, quick cross area and just threw mask away.
That would make sense but obviously they ended up getting used for more purposes later on.
I have the M-10M mask, and I can agree the filters are terribly frustrating to put in.
Yeah it's a shame they never made cheek filter style masks with a zip up section for the filter on the outside, that would have been so convenient.
They actually aren’t bad masks. The filters worked in the m17 for up to 24 hours when new, and it’s risky as frick to change your filter in a contaminated environment anyways. But we all have our arguments, preferences, and opinions.
You should do a vid on the Chinese m69 check filter mask
Don't have it.
in germany we had funny gasmasks, too. if you would inhale air to fast, by taking a big breath while exercising for example, the mask would collapse and seal the intake. so if you had to use a gasmask in an emergency, where you are likely had to fight or just breath fast because you are in a stressfull sitation, the gasmask would stop you from breathing at all, until you stop breathing for a second to let the mask free the entry again and then you had to breath very slowy and continuously to be able to get fresh air.
Was that with the M65 or the M2000?
Weaponsandstuff93 With the M 2000
nice collection ....👌👍✔
During a certain war in a certain trench was a soldier who nearly died because his mustache prevented a perfect seal of his gas mask...
Most reports of the time said Hitler didn't even put his mask on when the shell first landed.
Also his mustache would not have interfered with the WW1 German masks.
i dont think anyone who genuinely defends these as viable designs, let alone good, has ever actually tried to change out the filters in a single one of these types of gas masks
i have nothing but pity for the poor souls that had to change the filters out of these things for 40 years
I know this is more of a gas masks channel but the covenanter isn't the tank used to show what not to do, that is the A38 Valiant.
I wish I had as many gas masks as you I am fasinated with them and their history
That 40mm filter on 2:15 has polish words on it that indicate the usage of filter
Yup it's a modernish MASKPOL filter.
good !!!!
+G Nice Thank you.
Instructions unclear... Made a gas mask with internal screw in filters and eyes the require mirrors on the inside to see out.
Soviet Russia Ball oh?
..Get off my car.
I think the tank you were mentioning was the the “Valiant”, not the covenanter. If I remember right.
Great video keep up the good work chap.
Thank you.
Weaponsandstuff93 You're welcome.
A good idea on paper... just really bad in reality.
I feel maybe if you had pocket for it to be installed on the outside with a zip or lock to seal it inside, it would be much better. Also If you added perhaps the compartments width wise so a it enters via the side of the pork chop instead??? Probably would be harder to breathe but in combination with two, perhaps it could provide a better service??? Just some ideas on how to improve it.
A good cheek filter mask sort of exists now called the Avon M50, it has small flat filters that clip onto the mask from the outside, meaning it has a similar profile to the M17 but you can change the filters very quickly.
Wow that sounds quite good. Have you any experience in that at all or nah? Edit: Also, just looking for a cheap, nice mask + filter what can give adequate protection against most things. Weather its a gas mask or industrial one is more than fine but just need a good suggestion. Cheers.
I've done videos on recommended cheap masks, I don't have an M50 sadly but I have the awful Scott ripoff the British army bought the GSR, I actually prefer the M17 over the GSR.
Tummywubs iii
Gasmasks could be a great cosplay piece, the last one could be used for the combine, the gp-5 for Mr. Foster and other masks for other charecters
PMG is the mask you want to use for Metrocops.
Given how surprisingly many countries produced them even after it was patently obvious they were terrible, is it possible the decision to put these into widespread use was because masks like these (and their filters) had lower production costs?
They cost more afaik than M9 style masks, I'm pretty certain because America did it, lots of countries thought they had come up with something amazing.
First. Does resuscitate basically mean giving CPR? Second. How exactly would that work with a gas mask? Third. I love gas masks and I love your Chanel, keep up the great work!
Yeah they put a CPR tube on the mask.
Isn't it the valiant tank that is used as an example of how not to design tanks. The covenanter had its problems but was still acceptable enough to be built in large numbers.
Yes as lots of other comments already corrected me, it was the Valiant.
im thinking if the 40 mm natos screw in your fine and if you need the ring from the filter chops have the bullet proof plastic company make bullet proof chops with ring. then screw in 40 mm nato filters. I dont know if the chops filter area need support? To hold nato filters in! you should do a review of bullet proof sheilds? like captian america ninja turtule sheilds they have on alibaba?
You can install one of those filters on the m10.... With an adapter
I like how the cheek filter masks look but practically no.
Now someone could redesign one for a quick release and slip in. But I'm not smart enough for this.
M17 filters after U.S. military lab testing, were rated good for 24 hrs., longer than previous or contemporary canister filters. Sorry, size DOESN'T matter.
Yay - just noticed - the metal gas filter has some polish writing on it - Yay :P
On the Polish MP4?
@@Weaponsandstuff93 Well yeah - it kinda makes sense now that you think about it :P aka polish GM so Polish writing on the filter :P - That said most ppl do not know what mask was made in what country - so yeah here i was just watching and yay - polish writing surprised me :P -i didnt even knew that this particular mask was made by polish ppl. And the writing was on a canister filter.
Nice vid, keep it up !
Thank you.
I know it's very late but I have seen many pictures of the PBF in VDV and FSB service.
I could see the PBF being used by the VDV (paratroopers). My stepfather in the 90s once mentioned something about a parachute ripping the filter off an M9 mask when he noticed one in a picture within the book I was looking at. He was at one point stationed in Europe (Germany) as a paratrooper in the 80s so I suspect that they may have been using M9s there. I suspect the above mentioned problem is one of the reasons for cheek mask designs and why the newest mask designs are in a way, a return to the concept, but with externally accessible filter modules. The M50 essentially solves both problems, however, the M53 does too and is probably the best design.
Good video, I wonder what sort of work around you could design to fix the issue, or just advance.
Maybe some sort of zip on the outside of the mask, you unzip it, plug the filter into the gap and rezip it, however, masks like the Avon M50 and Scott GSR sort of have compact cheek style filters.
The M10 has a weird thing I've seen on eBay that in theory means you don't need a cheek filter in it and instead can attach a hose to the filter plug that then attaches to a 40mm filter. Seems a bit of a workaround though when there are plenty of better 40mm masks already available.
I have one of those gasmask and those filters are hard as hell to get in and i Tore the skin off the joint of my middle finger
Yeah cheek filters suck for that.
Weaponsandstuff93 if you in a pinch and had no gas mask handy and you had to build one with things you find around the house how would you go about doing it? It might make a grate video.
I've already said to people I don't think improvised gas masks are any good.
ok cool
I think pissing on a rag protects you from chlorine gas but improvised stuff might not work too well.
Weaponsandstuff93
Wouldn't something improvised be better than nothing improvised?
Weaponsandstuff93 what if we are in a hurry?
I own the middle one
Its not even. M10M or MP4
Awesome video man!
Thanks.
My FAVORITE is the m17a2 (drinking tube)
I love my m20m, but I will never get the filter out, let alone in again.
Do you mean M10m?
You mean the Valiant Infantry tank right, the covenanter was a somehwat successful light tank design.
Yes correct
As much as I like your channel I'm more than a little bothered by you showing up in my recommendations. I just got a new phone, set up a new account for and as an off hand comment mentioned to a friend that gas masks are cool I was thinking of getting a gas mask to protect my eyes from cutting onions.
You do realise you can tell Google to show you less recommendations based off of certain criteria?
Can you make a video of a dissection of a cheek filter
I could attempt it but it's not recommended, materials in the filter when cut open would become airborne, some of those would be very dangerous to inhale.
Weaponsandstuff93 ah but thats exactly why you have a gas mask collection
Asbestos is microscopic, many particulate filters on masks don't necessarily stop filters that small.
ah. Also is it possible for a gp 5 filter to be cleansed of asbestos?
Only if you cut the filter and took everything out, at which point it's far more dangerous than actually using the filter, as you've disturbed the asbestos and risk contaminating an entire area with it.
The pbf gas mask was only used for tank crews to
And airborne troops
th cheek filters were made so that in a small area with tripwires (vietnam tunnel rats) you didnt get it stuck on a tripwire also these were made for short battles and were not meant to last for a long time
Good to know the designers were psychic then and made cheek filter masks before the Vietnam war even started.
Also soldiers were often never even issued replacement filters so that's another invalid point.
Why is it that whenever I think of a "Canister filter" I think of Rainbow Six Siege and smoke saying "Whats in the canister?"
That's not referring to a filter though, it's the chemical weapon.
I'll have to take issue with your arguments that the internal cheek mounted filter based mask was so bad. In fact, the cheek mounted filters of the M17 series mask are superior to the cylinder based filters for many applications. My many years of operating with the M40 series made me hate that protruding filter element that disproportionally weighted my head and stressed neck and upper back muscles in long operations such as working the decon line. At least the M17 series mask distributed the weight evenly on the face. Additionally, the M-40 series filter acted as a catch-all for equipment when operating in tight spaces like a fighting vehicle or command post environments. The C2 series filter element stuck out from the face blank and acted as a lever arm that would pull the mask away from the face and compromise the mask seal when operating in a confined environment like a fighting vehicle or command post. I get that, historically, the lower mass of the cheek filters leads to lower protection times than the heavier cylinder filters, but this fit the U.S. doctrine at the time where you would go through a decon usually within six hours of contamination where you could get MOPP relief and change filters if required. Remember that the U.S. doctrine at the time was the "Airland Battle" concept where you were not expected to sit in contaminated areas for that long. The switch to the C2 series filters seemed to be a realization that either you are going to have to fight "dirty" for longer times or just simply a nod to STANAGs. Interestingly, the new generation of protective masks has turned back to the cheek mounted filter elements. The M50 and gives you all the advantages of a cheek mounted filter with the long life of a cylinder filter through modern filter formulations. On the M50, the filters are mounted on the cheeks, but on the outside and designed to last 24 hours in typical battlefield concentrations of CBRN contamination. The filter mounts are self-sealing so you can change them easily in a contaminated environment. Probably what the M17 series should have been if the engineering was up to the task at the time, but I think the M17 design had some thought to the threat and doctrine of the day and was not a lesson on how not to design a protective mask.
Interesting arguments, I have an M17 coming in the post so am going to be analysing it in comparison to the Communist clones, I've had a few people inform me that the actual M17 is far better in quality than the copies so I'll be able to test that for myself when it arrives.
I would agree with you though that something like the Avon M50 is the best solution, compact filters that go on each side of the mask externally rather than internally. I have a Scott GSR which is a poor copy of an M50, very bulky and heavy, the filters are almost as big as 40mm filters anyway.
Maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to find an M50 for sale for an affordable price.
One thing I have to say is no matter how much I don’t like Russia (by that I mean the government not the people) I love the gasmask design
It’s a good design for mobility but bad for combat
it is designed to be stream lined,you dont have a bulky filter.
thats why the americans tried to do a new one with two removable filters that are almost on the level of the cheek.
the worst problem is the deterioration.
and most armies even us plan to fight a little if a chemical attack happens so you dont need much. I dont remember the source it might be something about tanks and other machines with NBC protecrion and the soldiers are meant to leave the contaminated area. (this article or whatever it was was for the us troops)
The sensible thing would be to evacuate a contaminated area, current US training is to "complete the mission" which means the soldiers are expendable.
Do the Czech m10 filters contain asbestos? I haven’t gotten a chance to complete the “Soviet filters, asbestos and you” video
No published lab reports on them so no definitive answer.
I can't find an xm28 anywhere online damnit i really wanted one
They're fairly rare.
This ebay seller ships to most places, and it's fairly cheap, as compared to the prices an XM28 normally fetches. Hell, I ended up paying around $90 for mine.
www.ebay.com/itm/Vietnam-War-XM28E4-Grasshopper-Gas-Mask-UNOPENED-Military-Mask-XM28E4-/311979260576?hash=item48a369baa0:g:7O0AAOSwI-hZ0x3v
I'm still gonna buy one for the looks, i'm not a prepper. Everyone dies one day and i'll just accept it when a bomb drops. But isn't it possible to change the mask a certain way so it can carry canisters?
Not really, the M10 as far as I'm aware has pipes that go to 40mm ports for each cheek but it would cost about $20 to get the two needed, and then you need two filters to attach it to, I think it was designed with rebreathers in mind.
Just get an M50 series mask.
why the filter (not the porkchop one) has polish writing on it
It's Polish filter/ to Polski filtr, produkowany przez Maskpol
Our new masks take about literally 2 seconds. But we still aren't issued extra filters. Just the two that go on the outside.
Poor m10 and m17 i actually really love those masks but its a shame they were bad if cheek filters were abled to be replaced a different way it would be better but i still love them...even if they suck. i also own a m51 so im "that guy" lol
My uncle was on army and he said there wasn't problems whith changing tham they just were doing it like 2 times for a year
Fair enough
i dont like cheek filter gas masks but i do like how the pbf looks but i wont use it in a series situation
Yeah I think some of them look cool, but function should always come before aesthetics for something your life would depend on.
They look fairly awesome but yeah...
At least the masks look pretty cool.
I'd rather have a mask that saved my life than a cool mask, but cool is a good feature if the other things work.
Wait (dumb question) so when I only want to use them for tear gas do they still expire when I have them in the mask
cool video
Thanks.
I like the polish mp4 tho (im polish)
hey, that filter is in Polish, im in poland looking to buy such filter, can you share where did you buy them from?
For pure looks they look cool though not ideal
You, citizen, come with me
Just a tiny thing on pronunciation its co-ven-ant-er. In as Covenant with er on the end. Other than that great vid, I was interested to see why you had so much beef with cheek filters...
Fair enough but I actually made a mistake it was the Valiant I was thinking of, the one used as a lesson afterwards on how not to make a tank.
Ah yes, the ergonomic nightmare.
Any recommended masks and filters that protect well against ash, sulfur, particulates etc?
I did a video on it the mask is not so important but you need a filter that protects from particulates and acidic/sulphur vapours.
The PBF is a ghastly, terrifying looking mask!
Combine Soldier sort of.