Suggestion: Use 57 stone gravel for the base...get 3/4" black iron pipe,,, lay it down and use it to screed and level the patio... so that deck base stops moving
or else use bags of paver base and tamp it, that way you when the ground moves later on you won't have unlevel spots and there won't be so much flex happening
I would recommend anchoring the pergola. I am a retired structural engineer who lived in the Lower Mainland, British Columbia, which is close to the NW. We did get strong Northerlies now and then. Just anchor the three columns into the retaining wall, and give the bolt a horizontal slip joint, not too tight, allowing for differential settlement between the deck and retaining wall. People would always complain when I requested anchorage, and I would tell them that structures are not designed for nice sunny days.) Cheers from Canada.
Love the vieos, long time watcher. If there's one phrase from you that me and my gf have taken to heart, it's "doing your due diligence at the start will pay huge dividends in the future." I use that phrase all the time now.
Interesting. Never thought about that one. that would definitely stiffen it up but I feels very stable as is just FYI. Thanks o much for watching and the tip.
Hi there, you've convinced us to give this system a try! We have a very long rectangle of dead space in our yard so we're wondering if staggering the planks would be better in our case - to make it more like one solid piece. Do you think this is a good or bad idea given what your experience?
I really like the tile supporter. I want to use it to build my Trex deck on my concrete floor. But I cannot find anywhere in N. California I can buy it.
If you had not bolted it down, how did it survive the winds from the bomb cyclone? Nice deck system by the way. I'm looking for ideas to put a deck over a concrete patio along with some type of cover.
How did it hold? I am surprised it doesn't need to be anchored to the ground. I understood it is attached to your deck boards which are only snapped to the grid below.
Can you use another companies composite deck boards, such as Trex, as long as they are 5.5" wide with grooves on the sides? I can't get the Barrette deck boards where I live, just the instadeck base.
Although it looks slightly wobbly floor, I may add around pool area if it can withstand chlorine. Since it doesn’t use fasteners, would actually be great for that purpose. Unfortunately that product is not sold in my immediate area which is surprising living in NY. Oh well, maybe the next thing you come across can be used around pool area.
Nice job Brent. I think I would be interested is this product to cover my nasty concrete patio in the back yard. It looks simple to install. How high is it from the base to the top of the deck? I live near Los Angeles so the summers get hot so I wonder how hot the deck gets. Thanks for your input and thoughts. I always like watching your new videos.
Don't do that, just tapcon some pressure treated lumber to the concrete and then build your deck ontop of that, simpler, sturdier, cheaper, better and reputable.
Can I use the same ground levelling technique and install pavers instead? Or is the compaction of the soil not enough? Maybe add a bit of gravel. New at this sorry for the questions
I would automatically fill all that up with sand. That way it could have more of a solid base me thinking instead of a hollow space in between the same way you filled up the end.
Been in the construction trade for 20 years Evan and one of the best things about my job is that I'm always taking on new and different endeavors because I never want to give my audience the same exact project twice. I take on many large projects every year and will continue to do so as long as I feel it is a benefit to my audience because that's the most important thing to me. Also, note that I have a 2 year old and a 5 month old right now and being able to take on smaller and simpler projects like this is a welcome relief since I can still get out weekly or bi-weekly videos on RUclips but also be there for my family. Thanks for watching in any case.
Sorry Evan, but he is great. He takes the time to share. He doesn't have too. Just as you don't have to comment. Unless you have nothing to say positive or constructive then why add? Does it make you feel better? I just don't get this day and age, trump bolloxs stuff, that abuse is great!! How did we set the bar so low. Civility, respect and patience just seem to be actions that don't happen as much now. Take a breath, think, and ask yourself what value will my comment add? Otherwise have a nice day. and my apologies for hijacking a thread, i just get annoyed with keyboard comments that attack and criticise when people are only trying to help.
As others have said, this is a gimmick that wont last. There's a similar system that was sold in the uk but it was a nightmare with problems and no one sells it any more. It was designed initially for shed bases but was useless as decking support because it is like a trampoline in direct sun/hot weather and the boards expand and pop out the sub frames. The composite boards warp and pool water, then water gets trapped in the frames and because it doesn't dry out like wood, this provides the ideal conditions for algae to skin over and spread like crazy.
25 year warranty and you think it won't work? Seems like a lot for a product not expected to last... Even if it's similar, doesn't mean it's the same...
Time for you to catch up with the improvements that have been made with these things..I installed some for a walkway and inside of a gazebo I put together in 2019... with proper upkeep it's been doing fine.
Did you fasten the pergola to the decking? Looks like it's just sitting on there, and potentially can move when strong winds comes through since it is so light.
Interesting. I can’t even drive in shorter landscape pins due to rocks so this would be a deal breaker here. How much does it move when you walk on it?
I like this idea for a semi-temporary deck, but I would definitely want to put down a base of compacted crushed rock underneath. Presumably that would remove most of the bounce. A little bounce I could live with since it’s all clipped together. I personally wouldn’t put any structures on top of it, even that relatively light weight pergola. It’s fun to see the different things available out there even if I might not use them myself. As you say, time will tell if the deck system holds up or not.
It’s a very cool concept but I don’t like how much flex there is in the deck system. I also question the lifetime of the plastic used in the base. The elements tend to make some plastics very brittle and weak. If you could do an update I few years down the line and let us know how it’s going that would be great.
I understand completely Steven but the decking really does feel sturdy. Only time will tell with how this project will hold up but if anything fails I assure you I will let my audience know. Thanks so much for watching and your support of the channel.
I don't live in hurricane country, either, but we do get strong winds. An 85 mph took my 10x10 shed down the back alley one day. Since the roof and one side panel are not solid and air can flow through, I doubt there's enough solid mass for the wind to pick it up or bliw it over.
I also live in the PNW and we do get wind storms with significant gusts from time to time. I’ve seen more substantial structures than this pergola get airborne so I would definitely anchor it. Would hate for such an attractive amenity to get trashed.
This is cool but i can definitely see some flexing going on. I think this would benefit greatly from laying down a bed of crushed rock or paver base and using a tamper to make sure the earth doesn't settle and cause unlevel spots later on.
If your asking if you can place the tiles right on a concrete slab the answer is YES as long as the slab is flat and stable. Thanks for asking and watching.
quick question Brett.. how do you get it level? the black bases have no adjustments and no places for spacers. sorry if it is a newbie/stupid question.
In the video I showed that I used a 2x4 to help Even out the soil but I also had a 6' level with me so I could account for the levelness when evening out everything. Doesn't have to be perfectly level. Just close and have an even grade is much more important.
@@BYOTools Cheers Brett for taking the time to reply. It is greatly appreciated and noted! I understood the levelling when you using this system on soil. But when on cement or tiles this is not possible with this system. Unless of course you relevel (slope etc) all. Which as you know is not cost effective especially when the slope is there for rain water etc. Basically my point is that i don't understand all these companies that produce systems such as these that don't include a basic adjustment system in the base plates or joints. Maybe my logic and rationale is too basic but i built my first deck in 2001, knowing nothing, for a bar i owned, so a huge amount of foot traffic and weight. It was on top of old roman stones in a street, turned pedestrian, so nothing could be fixed to the stones. It was 5m by 4m. It lasted 15 years with zero adjustments. As i was building it, all i was thinking that someone soon will design and patent base plates with adjustments to avoid all of the extra pieces of wood, screws, time etc The next deck i built, 10 years later, i discovered various models that tried to do it, but not with the quality. I am amazed that 2023 there is not a simlple, reenforced plastic base plate system for such a common product. Or maybe there is and I haven't seen it yet. I know that in the states you guys have a much wider range of products to us over here. Sorry for the incredibly long response. Apologies!! Hope you have a great day and please keep on sharing your great videos and your superb drone skills!!
Look, I get "easy for total newbs", but the end product is going to disappoint. The cost of a harbor freight compressor, refurb framing nailer, speed square, circular saw, and ALL the PT Lumber will cost a lot less than this gimmick. It's really silly, but I appreciate the fact that you took the payday and ran with it.
I understand how you feel about the product Rick and appreciate your input. Just know that I turn down the vast majority of brand deals that are presented to me because I value the BYOT audience most of all. I will never take on a collaboration unless I see a value in it for you the audience member. I really did meet this company at a trade show and posted about this product, which received MILLIONS of views, which indicated that there was a large interest in a product like this. Not for everyone but I really do like how this system is designed and how easy it is to install. Thanks for watching in any case.
How will you mow your lawn without destroying the decking? Just wondering because I would not have put the deck flush with the ground for this reason. Also, why didn't you stagger the decking boards?
Great question Justin and they actually have a Step Clip installation system that is specifically designed for joists. Here is a link to product line info: www.barretteoutdoorliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/34116594_-DuraLife-StepClip-Instructions-11-22.pdf
Nothing other then they take a much longer time to install Matthew. I've built plenty of decks and will continue to use fasteners but for a ground level patio deck like this where it takes a fraction of the time to install is a perfect opportunity to use this Step Clip installation method. Thanks for watching and asking the question.
It might look a little bouncy up close on the camera but when you are walking on it, because the entire system interlocks with each other it really does feel solid. Thanks so much for watching.
Its bouncy because he needed to add a little layer of gravel to stabilize the ground...but as it clicks together it just make one big mat. It came out nice. I personally dont like that some critters make home under the board but that goes with anything in the yard right??😄
Looks good. I can hear you now. 😮"Move." 😮"Move." 😲"Move." 😐"....Move." 🤨watching as he digs in the corner. "Move." 🤪🙄steals hammer 🐶 "Hey, comere, Move." Getting a 🥤 🤗"hey booooy. Yeaaaah, ok move." 😁🐕
I'm interested in the longevity. Yeah it has a 25 year warranty but the heat I'm in is way hotter than the PNW. Not sure I'd trust all the plastic and composite to last in the direct sun/heat.
I love how your dog was your supervisor! 😂😂😂
That is the most professional and the best easygoing deck I have seen so far!
That is one amazing system Bret. The patio deck and the pergola. I think even I could install them. Thanks for sharing.
Haha! Great to hear and thanks for letting me know Emer. Truly is a system that almost anyone can install.
freehanding on the tablesaw is a great idea. thanks.
Hi! I was wondering how the Deck patio is holding up. I'm thinking about purchasing this system. Thank you so much!
LOVE IT!!! I have a small section right outside my backdoor that this would be perfect in. Thank you as always for the great videos!
Suggestion: Use 57 stone gravel for the base...get 3/4" black iron pipe,,, lay it down and use it to screed and level the patio... so that deck base stops moving
or else use bags of paver base and tamp it, that way you when the ground moves later on you won't have unlevel spots and there won't be so much flex happening
Would you do this below the weed barrier or above it?
I would recommend anchoring the pergola. I am a retired structural engineer who lived in the Lower Mainland, British Columbia, which is close to the NW. We did get strong Northerlies now and then. Just anchor the three columns into the retaining wall, and give the bolt a horizontal slip joint, not too tight, allowing for differential settlement between the deck and retaining wall. People would always complain when I requested anchorage, and I would tell them that structures are not designed for nice sunny days.) Cheers from Canada.
how many packs of the kit did you use?
Neighbors had their backyard pergola lifted up and placed in their front yard in a storm.
That is such a great system. Think it will work around a inground pool?
"Yes"
Love the vieos, long time watcher. If there's one phrase from you that me and my gf have taken to heart, it's "doing your due diligence at the start will pay huge dividends in the future." I use that phrase all the time now.
I could recommend filling the posts off the pergola with sand. It will stiffening things up more. Nice project as always 👍🏻
Interesting. Never thought about that one. that would definitely stiffen it up but I feels very stable as is just FYI. Thanks o much for watching and the tip.
Looks like a great way to install decking for the home handy man. Will have a look and see if they have something similar in Australia
Hi there, you've convinced us to give this system a try! We have a very long rectangle of dead space in our yard so we're wondering if staggering the planks would be better in our case - to make it more like one solid piece. Do you think this is a good or bad idea given what your experience?
How does it feel to walk on? Looks like it has a bit of give, I wonder if it feels "gummy" or mushy etc
For this particular area, what is the square footage? And approximately how many tiles and board do you need?
I really like the tile supporter. I want to use it to build my Trex deck on my concrete floor. But I cannot find anywhere in N. California I can buy it.
If you had not bolted it down, how did it survive the winds from the bomb cyclone? Nice deck system by the way. I'm looking for ideas to put a deck over a concrete patio along with some type of cover.
How did it hold? I am surprised it doesn't need to be anchored to the ground. I understood it is attached to your deck boards which are only snapped to the grid below.
Can you use another companies composite deck boards, such as Trex, as long as they are 5.5" wide with grooves on the sides? I can't get the Barrette deck boards where I live, just the instadeck base.
I have a plain concrete slab. How can I anchor the deck system on to it?
Why you didn't remove weed barrier before you put grass? Will it be able to grow?
Great job 👍
Can you use these on uneven ground? Anyway to level it without digging?
Haha your dog inspecting every step of the way
Great video!
Great video. What’s the total thickness, frame and boards once all assembled?
Although it looks slightly wobbly floor, I may add around pool area if it can withstand chlorine. Since it doesn’t use fasteners, would actually be great for that purpose. Unfortunately that product is not sold in my immediate area which is surprising living in NY. Oh well, maybe the next thing you come across can be used around pool area.
You just saved me time and effort lol
Nice job Brent. I think I would be interested is this product to cover my nasty concrete patio in the back yard. It looks simple to install. How high is it from the base to the top of the deck? I live near Los Angeles so the summers get hot so I wonder how hot the deck gets. Thanks for your input and thoughts. I always like watching your new videos.
Don't do that, just tapcon some pressure treated lumber to the concrete and then build your deck ontop of that, simpler, sturdier, cheaper, better and reputable.
This is fantastic ❤ Thanks for sharing
Can I use the same ground levelling technique and install pavers instead? Or is the compaction of the soil not enough? Maybe add a bit of gravel. New at this sorry for the questions
I would automatically fill all that up with sand. That way it could have more of a solid base me thinking instead of a hollow space in between the same way you filled up the end.
Can it be used an a deck for workouts and gym? Like doing deadlifts etc?
Did it blow away after over the wind storms this last week?
I feel like this guy could benefit from a few years in the trades last few videos I’ve seen have seemed like a handy andy how to
Been in the construction trade for 20 years Evan and one of the best things about my job is that I'm always taking on new and different endeavors because I never want to give my audience the same exact project twice. I take on many large projects every year and will continue to do so as long as I feel it is a benefit to my audience because that's the most important thing to me. Also, note that I have a 2 year old and a 5 month old right now and being able to take on smaller and simpler projects like this is a welcome relief since I can still get out weekly or bi-weekly videos on RUclips but also be there for my family. Thanks for watching in any case.
Sorry Evan, but he is great.
He takes the time to share.
He doesn't have too.
Just as you don't have to comment.
Unless you have nothing to say positive or constructive then why add? Does it make you feel better?
I just don't get this day and age, trump bolloxs stuff, that abuse is great!!
How did we set the bar so low.
Civility, respect and patience just seem to be actions that don't happen as much now.
Take a breath, think, and ask yourself what value will my comment add?
Otherwise have a nice day.
and my apologies for hijacking a thread, i just get annoyed with keyboard comments that attack and criticise when people are only trying to help.
Can you change directions so you can make a picture frame style molding?
thanks for showcasing this interesting idea. do you think this system could be installed over an existing wood deck?
As others have said, this is a gimmick that wont last. There's a similar system that was sold in the uk but it was a nightmare with problems and no one sells it any more. It was designed initially for shed bases but was useless as decking support because it is like a trampoline in direct sun/hot weather and the boards expand and pop out the sub frames. The composite boards warp and pool water, then water gets trapped in the frames and because it doesn't dry out like wood, this provides the ideal conditions for algae to skin over and spread like crazy.
Good points as I was thinking about placing around pool area. Guess it’s back to stones.
25 year warranty and you think it won't work? Seems like a lot for a product not expected to last... Even if it's similar, doesn't mean it's the same...
Funny???? My house in San Diego has that deck system. It’s been good since 2014 and going…….
😊
Time for you to catch up with the improvements that have been made with these things..I installed some for a walkway and inside of a gazebo I put together in 2019... with proper upkeep it's been doing fine.
Where do I get the edge clips that are driven in between the deck boards?
Did you fasten the pergola to the decking? Looks like it's just sitting on there, and potentially can move when strong winds comes through since it is so light.
May i ask about water getting in?
Is there something similar that's available in europe?
*BYOT* New Sub, enjoying your content. GOD Bless.
How does this look 1 year later? Has it stayed level?
Who makes the pergola?
Best think to remove grass is a front end loader
Looks amazing!
It looks like it constantly moves under foot. What does it feel like?
What is the square footage?
Interesting. I can’t even drive in shorter landscape pins due to rocks so this would be a deal breaker here. How much does it move when you walk on it?
That pergola system is so cool its like way easier ikea or lego set. Still hate the intro song though xD
It was insanely easy to install. Love the look to. thanks so much for watching.
Can you install this on concrete
Thanks so much
I like this idea for a semi-temporary deck, but I would definitely want to put down a base of compacted crushed rock underneath. Presumably that would remove most of the bounce. A little bounce I could live with since it’s all clipped together. I personally wouldn’t put any structures on top of it, even that relatively light weight pergola.
It’s fun to see the different things available out there even if I might not use them myself. As you say, time will tell if the deck system holds up or not.
THis seems expensive where did you buy the whole kit?
It would have been nice for you to been more up front and tell us the price for this deck system.
CAN THIS BE USED ON CONCRETE
It’s a very cool concept but I don’t like how much flex there is in the deck system. I also question the lifetime of the plastic used in the base. The elements tend to make some plastics very brittle and weak. If you could do an update I few years down the line and let us know how it’s going that would be great.
I understand completely Steven but the decking really does feel sturdy. Only time will tell with how this project will hold up but if anything fails I assure you I will let my audience know. Thanks so much for watching and your support of the channel.
I thought the same thing. I was thinking it might help to pour gravel into the plastic trays before snapping on the treads.
@@havenxbmc that could work
Nice job, how many boxes did you use?
What is the name of the song at the end of the video? 17:22
Does the company offer curtains to fit those pergolas?
Did I miss anchoring the pergola?
InstaDeck not actually available in Seattle area, unfortunately.
Nice work, but if it were me, I would’ve alternated the seams. No biggie, I just think it’s a better look.
How much was the whole thing?
I don't live in hurricane country, either, but we do get strong winds. An 85 mph took my 10x10 shed down the back alley one day. Since the roof and one side panel are not solid and air can flow through, I doubt there's enough solid mass for the wind to pick it up or bliw it over.
I also live in the PNW and we do get wind storms with significant gusts from time to time. I’ve seen more substantial structures than this pergola get airborne so I would definitely anchor it. Would hate for such an attractive amenity to get trashed.
Who makes the product
This is cool but i can definitely see some flexing going on. I think this would benefit greatly from laying down a bed of crushed rock or paver base and using a tamper to make sure the earth doesn't settle and cause unlevel spots later on.
I wonder if I can leave it floating in a concrete slab?
If your asking if you can place the tiles right on a concrete slab the answer is YES as long as the slab is flat and stable. Thanks for asking and watching.
Better to just tapcon some wood into the slab and lay the boards across
Very nice!
Looks like it’s bouncing around everywhere
What if deck is elevated?
How much did per sq ft cost for this system?
Where can they be purchased?
quick question Brett.. how do you get it level?
the black bases have no adjustments and no places for spacers.
sorry if it is a newbie/stupid question.
In the video I showed that I used a 2x4 to help Even out the soil but I also had a 6' level with me so I could account for the levelness when evening out everything. Doesn't have to be perfectly level. Just close and have an even grade is much more important.
@@BYOTools Cheers Brett for taking the time to reply. It is greatly appreciated and noted!
I understood the levelling when you using this system on soil.
But when on cement or tiles this is not possible with this system.
Unless of course you relevel (slope etc) all. Which as you know is not cost effective especially when the slope is there for rain water etc.
Basically my point is that i don't understand all these companies that produce systems such as these that don't include a basic adjustment system in the base plates or joints.
Maybe my logic and rationale is too basic but i built my first deck in 2001, knowing nothing, for a bar i owned, so a huge amount of foot traffic and weight. It was on top of old roman stones in a street, turned pedestrian, so nothing could be fixed to the stones. It was 5m by 4m.
It lasted 15 years with zero adjustments.
As i was building it, all i was thinking that someone soon will design and patent base plates with adjustments to avoid all of the extra pieces of wood, screws, time etc
The next deck i built, 10 years later, i discovered various models that tried to do it, but not with the quality.
I am amazed that 2023 there is not a simlple, reenforced plastic base plate system for such a common product.
Or maybe there is and I haven't seen it yet.
I know that in the states you guys have a much wider range of products to us over here.
Sorry for the incredibly long response.
Apologies!!
Hope you have a great day and please keep on sharing your great videos and your superb drone skills!!
Keebler Groves
That dog😆
Look, I get "easy for total newbs", but the end product is going to disappoint.
The cost of a harbor freight compressor, refurb framing nailer, speed square, circular saw, and ALL the PT Lumber will cost a lot less than this gimmick.
It's really silly, but I appreciate the fact that you took the payday and ran with it.
Making the space level is harder than digging shallow footers or even just removing select squares and using pavers as footers.
I'm sorry I was negative Nancy - I'm a subscriber - but I just think this is a total waste of money and effort.
I understand how you feel about the product Rick and appreciate your input. Just know that I turn down the vast majority of brand deals that are presented to me because I value the BYOT audience most of all. I will never take on a collaboration unless I see a value in it for you the audience member. I really did meet this company at a trade show and posted about this product, which received MILLIONS of views, which indicated that there was a large interest in a product like this. Not for everyone but I really do like how this system is designed and how easy it is to install. Thanks for watching in any case.
@@BYOTools No, thank YOU for the content, and I apologize for my tone. I should've been more thoughtful in my approach.
Curious what the load support is on this system. I'd love to put my 8' stock tank pool on one. The pool full, is about 6600 pounds.
Yard debris receptacle = bin
Wait. If you compact the ground add sand and stone then you will be done. Why go this route?
While watching, it seems that there is a lot of bounce to the deck. May work better over concrete patio.
How will you mow your lawn without destroying the decking? Just wondering because I would not have put the deck flush with the ground for this reason. Also, why didn't you stagger the decking boards?
I thought about that, too. A single layer of brick or a thin gravel layer around it would keep the mower and edger away.
Cool - could this platform be built on a deck frame?
Great question Justin and they actually have a Step Clip installation system that is specifically designed for joists. Here is a link to product line info: www.barretteoutdoorliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/34116594_-DuraLife-StepClip-Instructions-11-22.pdf
“Yard debris receptacle” - green bin.
Apparently not available in Texas 😢
I'll ask them about that and see if that's true. Where you looking at the decking or pergola?
@@BYOTools the decking system, it would be the perfect solution for my situation
Great product review for a product you cannot purchase.
What's so bad about fasteners? Just curious as an amateur
Nothing other then they take a much longer time to install Matthew. I've built plenty of decks and will continue to use fasteners but for a ground level patio deck like this where it takes a fraction of the time to install is a perfect opportunity to use this Step Clip installation method. Thanks for watching and asking the question.
Looks nice, but an aweful lot of bounce
It might look a little bouncy up close on the camera but when you are walking on it, because the entire system interlocks with each other it really does feel solid. Thanks so much for watching.
Its bouncy because he needed to add a little layer of gravel to stabilize the ground...but as it clicks together it just make one big mat. It came out nice. I personally dont like that some critters make home under the board but that goes with anything in the yard right??😄
Ground preparation is a huge work. This does not save labor than using posts.
Stagger the seam
Being made of plastic, it will not rot, but I don’t know how long lasting will be.
Great patio. Pergola not so much.
Looks good. I can hear you now.
😮"Move."
😮"Move."
😲"Move."
😐"....Move."
🤨watching as he digs in the corner. "Move."
🤪🙄steals hammer 🐶
"Hey, comere, Move."
Getting a 🥤
🤗"hey booooy. Yeaaaah, ok move."
😁🐕
Where are you coming and think about it now that expensive either is under $300
yes it looks good... but the base moves bad with every step.... i could not deal with that...
Пленку бить на гвозди?) ну и пленка не пропускающая воду, тоже вопрос. Или местность без дождей?
the pegola basically isnt ankered
What does “ankered” mean?
I'm interested in the longevity. Yeah it has a 25 year warranty but the heat I'm in is way hotter than the PNW. Not sure I'd trust all the plastic and composite to last in the direct sun/heat.
Think the same here in Az.
That’s a pretty cool system. My only critique is that you should have staggered the floor. That would have made it look even more sexy
What kind of kneepads are those? They look legit