Have had my 2008 GT from day 1, 17yrs now. When I was able to start FINALLY upgrading for more power I did all sorts of research. You are my #1 place to go and 1st. Great video, thank yoi
Amry checking in, top quality video as always guys. Imagine a smaller blower that’s apparently “inferior” making 20 less rwhp and running the same down the 1/4 mile🤣
@@chuckharter5954 it PEAKED at a hair UNDER 13 psi. It’s more like 11.5-12 psi through the power band. Crazy how the bigger blower still can’t out power the 2.65. A literally 8 year old rotor pack vs whipples brand new gen 6 whipple. Imagine
@@michaelweatherby144 this is a stage 1 on a single 90mm throttle body.. with 11psi Making the same power as their stage 2, with twin throttle body, on 13psi Put the whipple on 13psi and the stage 2, so it's apples to apples, only seems fair
@@chuckharter5954 they did, except brenspeed didn’t use bullshit and gimmicks. A stage 2 whipple runs SLOWER or AS FAST as a roush. Roush has ran 10.3 whipple stage 2 car under the same exact circumstances, it ran 10.5 at 135. Imagine. I guess that magical 725 whp or whatever lethal performance claimed doesn’t mean jack 💀
Not an apples-to-apples comparison between these TVS & twin-screw blowers if you factor in atmospheric conditions (ie. air temp, humidity, DA, elevation, etc.) and location. Not to mention other variables like boost levels (psi). Let's think for ourselves here and not let Alex think for you... I would really want to see what these two blowers do once a tuning solution is avaliable. I would put my money on the Whipple for better and more consistent 1/4 mile slips. Both are great blowers, nonetheless...
The real test between the Whipple 3.0L Gen 6 and the newish dual throttle body Roush blower (pretty much an Odin) will be when these S650s are actually tuneable. TVS blowers will always have slightly better punch down low compared to twin-screw blowers, but the twin-screw will pull harder up top. Either way, they're both great power adders. Interested in seeing what the new Hellion twin-turbo kit does on the S650s 👀
Question...the Manual car you said was running 2 degrees less timing on the first pull. Was that in your calibration or because the computer sensed the fuel to be worse and cut it back ? Thanks in advance.
Coyote calibrations typically rely highly on the knock sensors to load the timing. Think of it more as they add based off how good the fuel is and not all brand fuels are equal even at the same octane. When it was 2 degrees less it was not adding as much as the other car based off of fuel quality. Yes they can pull timing also but most coyote calibrations command a lower number as base then rely on the knock sensors to increase the timing up to the fuels potential. It’s a better scenario for them to want to add then constantly trying to remove. So it’s not “cutting back” as in removing it its just not allowing as much to be added vs the other cars fuel.
I’m having the Ford performance Whipple supercharger stage one kit put on as we speak. Is it safe to change to a one size smaller pulley without changing anything else?
Octane would play a huge role in that. I would talk to your installer. If it were here we would add boostane to our quality 93. I have no idea how your fuel is in your area so your best bet is speak to who is installing it as they should know your fuel quality.
@ I just use shell 93 I live here in Indiana also I just didn’t know if it’d be safe to use a smaller pulley and that’s it and not change anything else or do a few things first
Pretty even really to close to tell. I mean the superchargers are not even the same size but they seem to run about the same ET with same mods if you had exact same conditions. Both can go 9's with simple mods with production calibrations which is fast. I feel you would be happy with either choice.
Depends on the 91. CA 91 is complete garbage I have logged it several times on cars shipped here to Indiana from CA. Midwest 91, maybe 20-30 less than solid midwest 93. Still though these cars on even 91 are great on the street.
These videos should be considered Public Service Announcements.
Exactly lol thanks for watching!
Love real-world information, no tricks, just data.
I love no tricks thanks!
Well said the gas octane from different pump stations will vary, the lid off it made extra hp&tq great job Brent.💪😎👍🇨🇦
Thanks for watching!
Amry representing. Thank you for the great videos
Why do VMPs and Lethals Whipples make soo much more power?🙃 those custom lids must have adamantium in them or something
@@THEDriverMod_ Ademantium cans of Octane Booster 😂😂😂
You are so welcome thanks for taking the time to watch
#Amry checking in.
Great job on being real and honest
💪 no shenanigans
No problem thank you!
Have had my 2008 GT from day 1, 17yrs now. When I was able to start FINALLY upgrading for more power I did all sorts of research. You are my #1 place to go and 1st. Great video, thank yoi
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Amry checking in. I remember some whipple nut huggers saying the stage 1 made the same hp as the roush on 93 okayyyyy
RAMRY
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Another great video. Always honest and never steer the the viewers wrong. Thank you. ✌️
For sure. Thanks!
Amry checking in, top quality video as always guys. Imagine a smaller blower that’s apparently “inferior” making 20 less rwhp and running the same down the 1/4 mile🤣
The Roush runs 13psi, the Whipple made the same power with 11
@@chuckharter5954 it PEAKED at a hair UNDER 13 psi. It’s more like 11.5-12 psi through the power band. Crazy how the bigger blower still can’t out power the 2.65. A literally 8 year old rotor pack vs whipples brand new gen 6 whipple. Imagine
@@michaelweatherby144 this is a stage 1 on a single 90mm throttle body.. with 11psi
Making the same power as their stage 2, with twin throttle body, on 13psi
Put the whipple on 13psi and the stage 2, so it's apples to apples, only seems fair
@@chuckharter5954 they did, except brenspeed didn’t use bullshit and gimmicks. A stage 2 whipple runs SLOWER or AS FAST as a roush. Roush has ran 10.3 whipple stage 2 car under the same exact circumstances, it ran 10.5 at 135. Imagine. I guess that magical 725 whp or whatever lethal performance claimed doesn’t mean jack 💀
Not an apples-to-apples comparison between these TVS & twin-screw blowers if you factor in atmospheric conditions (ie. air temp, humidity, DA, elevation, etc.) and location. Not to mention other variables like boost levels (psi). Let's think for ourselves here and not let Alex think for you... I would really want to see what these two blowers do once a tuning solution is avaliable. I would put my money on the Whipple for better and more consistent 1/4 mile slips. Both are great blowers, nonetheless...
I’m a new subscriber
Alex Flores and the YDBT AMRY, send me here.
Thank you for giving us an honest review
Not a problem!
Love the video, straight to the point, no music and no BS!!!!
I prefer it that way thank you!
I like both Superchargers but like the Roush a touch more. Mainly the dual throttle bodies.
Ordered mine as soon as it was released in June
@@THEDriverMod_ Excellent. Look forward to the results.
Thanks I like both also but I like the dual throttle body look.
@@bullittboost6046 results are out! Check it out
Thank you thank you Brent for you kindness and honesty you tell true fact.😊👍😎
Not a problem THANK YOU for taking the time to watch.
#AMRY here to support!
Thanks for stopping by
Dr Bren Speed, love these comparison videos. Would like to see same car, same pulley but 93 Octane to E85.
Well right now these cars all have locked PCM's so you cant just run E85 and tune it. Sorry!
Great job! Appreciate the honesty you put out to your customers and general public!
Thank you
#Amry up in this biih
Thanks for stopping by
Great videos…, you are definitely one of the best tuner’s..👍🏻😎
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Badass Brent, keep it up !
Thanks will do!
The real test between the Whipple 3.0L Gen 6 and the newish dual throttle body Roush blower (pretty much an Odin) will be when these S650s are actually tuneable. TVS blowers will always have slightly better punch down low compared to twin-screw blowers, but the twin-screw will pull harder up top. Either way, they're both great power adders. Interested in seeing what the new Hellion twin-turbo kit does on the S650s 👀
Thanks for commenting!
Love that you went through all of those lil tweaks for the manual, but what about the auto? Doing those changes make any gains there?
Yes exact same. Same engine and mods react the same. Thanks for watching!
Dope
Thanks for watching
Question...the Manual car you said was running 2 degrees less timing on the first pull. Was that in your calibration or because the computer sensed the fuel to be worse and cut it back ? Thanks in advance.
Coyote calibrations typically rely highly on the knock sensors to load the timing. Think of it more as they add based off how good the fuel is and not all brand fuels are equal even at the same octane. When it was 2 degrees less it was not adding as much as the other car based off of fuel quality. Yes they can pull timing also but most coyote calibrations command a lower number as base then rely on the knock sensors to increase the timing up to the fuels potential. It’s a better scenario for them to want to add then constantly trying to remove. So it’s not “cutting back” as in removing it its just not allowing as much to be added vs the other cars fuel.
Thoughts on the ess kit over a whipple for dig racing.
Really depends lol. Whipples do help mustangs a bit.more considering we barley get any torque on lower rpm
Since ESS does not have one out for the 2024 I couldn't compare.
I’m having the Ford performance Whipple supercharger stage one kit put on as we speak. Is it safe to change to a one size smaller pulley without changing anything else?
Octane would play a huge role in that. I would talk to your installer. If it were here we would add boostane to our quality 93. I have no idea how your fuel is in your area so your best bet is speak to who is installing it as they should know your fuel quality.
@ I just use shell 93 I live here in Indiana also I just didn’t know if it’d be safe to use a smaller pulley and that’s it and not change anything else or do a few things first
By the way, I love your content no fake numbers you’re always real keep up the good work
Always love your videos Brent. Honest and to the point. @alejandroflores always speaks the truth too!
@YDBT4LIFE
@@waltermacknight9299Always watch his stuff. Little hard on us old timer 3V guys but it’s all in good fun.
Thanks for watching!!!!
Did you have to do more work to the manual compared to the Auto?
Not sure what you mean but no. It is not more work to put one on an auto vs. a manual.
@@BrenspeedEngineering okay thank you.
Which is faster with mods, the Whipple or Roush?
Pretty even really to close to tell. I mean the superchargers are not even the same size but they seem to run about the same ET with same mods if you had exact same conditions. Both can go 9's with simple mods with production calibrations which is fast. I feel you would be happy with either choice.
Thanls for the great videos and all the info. I think Whipple aldo has a stage 2 where Roush doesn’t. I’ll definitely call you if i decide to upgrade.
Here from YDBT. AKA Alejandro Flores
Thanks for stopping by!
What power do they make with 91 octane?
Depends on the 91. CA 91 is complete garbage I have logged it several times on cars shipped here to Indiana from CA. Midwest 91, maybe 20-30 less than solid midwest 93. Still though these cars on even 91 are great on the street.
@@BrenspeedEngineering thank you
Proof is in the puddi.. I mean lines!
Thanks for watching!
Can a 2014 mustang gt handle a edelbrock stage 2 with headers stock??
@@monsterfish5113 are you stupid?
We have several E-Force Gen 1 packages that can be ran with stock exhaust. Check out www.brenspeed.com thank you. Check out our 650E kit.
Whipple vs roush
Thanks for stopping by!
😂No tricks!
NEVER