As much as I don't believe that the AVP films are in canon with the main Alien timeline, the idea of Charles and Peter being related is too tantalizing an idea to ignore. Though, I do not believe them to be father and son. I tend to fall more along the lines of them being uncle and nephew, since there's no clear sign that Charles was ever a father. My personal canon: Charles developed Weyland Industries to be a global force for hi-tech industry, though his illness made it clear that he couldn't see his ambition come to full fruition. As such, he left the company in perpetuity until his only nephew Peter came of age, having seen his vast intelligence and ambition.
While that is true, I take it with a grain of salt. Remember, that was espoused through the Weyland-Yutani Timeline, which can be doctored up to make Peter Weyland look as magnificent as possible. Besides, it's my personal canon, and it need not necessarily tie into the official canon perfectly.
The idea that peter designed his synthetic respiratory system primarily to try and save Charle’s life is actually a really nice and sweet idea that actually works. It almost brings a tear to my eye
Easy. Charles Bishop Weyland as a globetrotter, met a British woman, they got married and she moved to Mubai and had Peter. He simply lived with his mother as the two were perhaps estranged due, to Charles being obsessed with his work.
@Elitesolider1023 Wouldn't work, Peter Weyland was born in 1990 and Charles Weyland was a full grown man by the time of his death in 2004. Bishop should be the father and Peter the son.
As always, you tied the loose ends of continuity in a creative and thoughtful way. Even though it's not universally cannon, I really like the way you tied Peter / Charles B. Whalen together as a possible father - son.
Thanks for this. Father and estranged son. It’s all canon until it isn’t. The connections and room for them are better than I’ve claimed in the past. You don’t have to like AvP, but nothing excludes it. Just like nothing excludes Alien Resurrection...
I definitely think that there's a connection. But I still believe that Charles made his memory back up that you see in the AVP 2010 game, a synth who's meant to pose as his ancestor and inheritor, Karl Bishop Waylend. Perheps he made him for the case that Peter would fail to bring progress to humanity?
You don't have to like the AVP films, but I still think they should be considered canon, the second movie helps establish how humans achieved advanced space travel by the end of the 21st century as seen in Prometheus, Peter Weyland could have just expanded on the technology with his genius; there's too many connections in both universes to ignore the AVP films.
I'm one of the 3 people that really liked AvP. So I'd like to believe that there is a connection there. As far as canon goes, I remember when Aliens: Colonial Marines came out and they were declaring it canon. And it flopped hard and they quit saying that.
I agree. Just like with Prometheus. Not many liked it, however I loved it! I loved Covenant too. Just because something doesn't sell well, like Colonial Marines doesn't mean it's not cannon or connected. I liked Colonial Marines too.
As Italian, I like AvP also because it's the only movie about this Sci-fi universe with an Italian actor. The archeologist Sebastian. The guy able to decifer an entire room of hieroglyphs in two minutes. 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah Raul Bova was cool in that movie.
I met Lance Henriksen at Cardiff Comic-Con a few years back. Very softly spoken and genuinely seemed like an incredibly nice guy. The same day I met David Prowse (Darth Vader, seemed unwell and a bit grumpy) and Brian Blessed (genuine legend, as great as you'd hope he'd be)
I know but still pretty awesome relation because it gives you something that you haven't seen before but my brother and me had also thought why not make a movie based off of what they say about the Aztec voting and Egyptian people that are all together with AVP going on then too cuz they explained that happened back then as well.
Litshttam I know, but at the same time it could be because of all the similarities but at the same time then how did the Alien get to earth for this to happen?. Well I think that if Weyland can transport a queen why can't the Yuatja?.
They don't necessarily have to be father and son, Charles Bishop Weyland could be an uncle or a cousin of Peter Weyland for example. While i don't really consider "offshoot" franchises like AvP to necessarily be canon, i do like the idea of Charles and Peter Weyland having some form of family relation close enough that Peter would go out of his way to try and save Charles from his Cancer. It adds a bit of humanity to both characters while at the same time being sufficiently tragic for the Alien universe, given how Charles dies the same year that Peter completes the invention that would have saved him.
If you integrate the Blade Runner theory, it opens the door to some unique possibilities: 1. Weyland Co., Yutani and Tyrell as a triumvirate; each seeking to use their knowledge of the xenomorph to their own ends 2. What if “Michael” Bishop was a Tyrell-type Replicant and neither a human or an Android? 3. What if Roy Batty encountered the xenomorphs while in space?
Alan Lee Battys final monologue in Blade Runner: - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die... - “Orion’s Shoulder” would be the star Betelgeuse which is 643 light years from Earth In all likelihood, the off-world Replicants would have to rely on Cryosleep
The only thing I'll say about that is the side-quel film Soldier- another movie directed by dipshit Paul WS Anderson- but written by David Peoples, Todd 3645 was an off-world soldier trained with use of the M41A Pulse Rifle and USCM Smartgun. It's an easter egg, but it's worth mentioning nonetheless. But whoa whoa whoa how can Gary Busey be in Soldier but also Predator 2! Whoa hold on a second Pvt Hudson is in Predator 2 as well! Oh NOOOO!
Great vid! This sheds light on a man I thought was just an adaptation of the android Bishop but no he was an actual character, a character apparently very good at 'Monopoly'
I loved it. I wished the second AVP film would have continued with Alexia Woods. I wanted to see her future adventures with the Xenomorphs and the Predators.
HK-47 I just had to rewatch Requiem yesterday and i must say it´s still a good action movie, characters are ok-ish (the sheriff is kinda retarded) , they are not so important. It´s R rated,thats good. Honestly i ´ve rather watch Requiem,AvP again than Prometheus or Covenant.
I'd like to consider avp as the act that sent the corporation on the scent of the xenomorph species and might have sparked some kind of interest in the accounts of such a crazy creature
I consider any film or novel that has a xenomorph, of any evolution, in it to be canon. Some are bad and some are good, but that's all subjective anyway. It would be too coincidental in the world of Weyland-Yutani, for Charles and Peter to NOT be related in some way.
That could be the case. Or... maybe Weyland Industries at the time was also secretly, behind-the-scenes (yet again), acquiring firms, organizations and/or companies that had access to even basic but very well understood and grounded cloning technology? Granted! It certainly sounds somewhat out there or far reaching, it is not however inconceivable that Sir Peter is in fact a young clone 'offspring' of Charles. To help maybe further the Company's legacy and ensure it's survival into the future and beyond. Maybe he had Peter as a son that he secretly raised himself, or he was a clone and was raised like a normal child but with not much 'normal' parentage around, ya? It could be that he is a clone of Charles, and based the Bishop androids on his progenitor. No? Maybe? I like to think: Possibly. And Probably...
I agree AvP are definitely best canon as they do respect continuity the most, and Ridley Scott really mish mashed continuity with his movies basically retconning even the first Alien movie. But Peter Weyland could be the child of Charles Wyland's sister or brother or anything.
+Revan I agree completely, Bishop may have kept his family life a secret along so much else in his life. I don't think Scott has any interest in as you said "coming around to Alien" considering the continuity mess he's made... And that is even IF any more movies will be allowed considering how Covenant tanked at the box office.
Or it could have been a secret affair, or the mother was under aged, or the mother couldn't handle the media and paparazzi attention that Charles' position brought with it. There could be many explanations why he wouldn't have had family information made public, including that Peter Weyland might have been an orphan that he adopted and gave his last name, for example.
I know it's an old video, but one key bit information for me is that Ronald Shusset - one of the 2 original authors (the other being Dan O'Bannon) for the screenplay that became Alien actually co-wrote the story for Alien Versus Predator. To me this means that the AvP films are technically more canon to the Alien franchise than Ridley Scott's prequels, as he was the director of the original film - not the screenwriter. (O'Bannon and Shusset had been influenced by Lovecraft's novels - where the alien life forms are truly unknowable - and Ridley Scott's prequels throw that completely out the window)
Interesting theories! I'd like to see a video explaining the Arturians mentioned in the banter by the Marines in Aliens. If there is any backstory to it...that could be a challenge! Thanks for the great videos!
Based upon their ages in 2004, Charles Bishop Weyland (died aged 63-64 if he was born around 1940 like the actor who played him was) would have more likely have been Peter Weyland's (aged 13-14) grandfather.
no I don't think that AVP is Alien canon I think they threw them together as a way of a unique match up. I will always hold that the original Alien & Aliens & Alien 3 are official Canon also adding Prometheus because, Ridley Scott. But there is never a lack of opinions regarding the theatrical releases and I sure appreciate your channel for trying to keep the Alien Franchise alive.
My headcanon is that Weyland Industries had been investigating and covering up predator incidents for decades (likely funding the original paramilitary mission in south America) in attempts to steal and reverse engineer their tech (which explains the technological transformation of LA between the events of Predator 2 in 1997 and the events of Blade Runner in 2019). This is why Charles is so unfazed when he meets one in AVP. At the time of his death in that incident, in 2004, Peter would have been only 14, not yet old enough to inherit the company. The four years without him at the helm, and the resulting inevitable leadership fights and vacuums would have been a perfect time for others to file lawsuits regarding these incidents (and the following year's one in Colorado) and bring the company to the brink of potential ruin. Upon inheriting the company in 2008, on his 18th birthday, Peter would have been canny enough to have spent 4 years learning corporate law and loopholes and then immediately instigate a recovery plan. By 2012 he has managed to liquidate the original Weyland Industries and move the assets and IP over to a new legally distinct Weyland Industries founded by himself, and immune from all legal culpability of the old Weyland company. Hence why he appears to be later thought of as the 'founder' of Weyland Industries. The trauma of these 8 years would likely have soured his view of his own father, instilled a fear of death, infused a more clandestine culture into the corporation's hierarchy, and caused him to pivot away somewhat from reverse engineering alien tech, toward more focus on space exploration, searching out alien life to reverse-bio-engineer, and creating synthetics that can be trusted with such hidden corporate objectives on deep space missions. This all leads to the events of Prometheus, which, despite his attempts to not repeat his father's mistakes and instead, surpass him, still result in Peter's fate mirroring his father's own. This also gives motivation to David's experiments on the engineer homeworld. He didn't create the xenomorphs. He used the records of the engineer's creation of the xenomorphs to reverse engineer his own into existence, the plan being to eventually find a large enough group of dormant humans to continue the research work invisioned by his father, in manipulating xenomorph genetics for brand new purposes, thereby surpassing his father and grandfather. But in David's case, the goal is to turn the biotech back onto humanity and sentient humanoid life. Thereby not only surplanting his father and grandfather, but ALL of humanity and humanity's creators (engineers) and ancient gods (predators) The androids therefore end up being to the engineers, what the autons later become to humans.The creation of their own creations, that move beyond the bounds of their control and pose a risk to their survival.
In my head I always figured Charles was Peters father because I accepted that the designer from Aliens 3 was human and therefore assumed some long lineage must exist. I took the identical look of the two characters (Charles and Bishop) and assumed it was a family look not meant to be identical but more so that the producers wanted a character associated with the franchise to return and as they couldn't bring in Ripley, a version of Bishop was the best they could wiggle in.
I want to count it as canon cause it shows the predators fighting the xenomorph if nothing else . That and the more Lance Henriksen the better in my opinion . I know the movie isnt the best thing ever but ehh Ive seen lot worse .
I have a feeling that by the end of the prequals, Ridley will have made sure that AVP is an impossibility in his timeline. Making the AVP a separate universe. Much to my own dissapointment, I enjoyed AVP and AVP2, despite it's flaws.
The first AVP wasn't bad, a good attempt. The second one felt like it tried too hard. I feel like if we ever get a chance at a proper AVP movie, it should be based off the first comic series with the Ranchers.
Easy fix. You personally disregard the "prequels" as Alien movies and consider them as a "alternate universe" version. Including only the Alien and Predator and AVP movies as main line canon.
There may be no direct genetic relationship between the two, but, upon hearing his diagnosis Bishop Weyland looked to securing the future of his company by appointing a young protege as his successor. Possibly rushing through a quick adoption, or maybe Peter took on the Weyland name at a later date to consolidate his ownership of the brand when he came of age. This explains why Bishop Weyland made no mention of a son or inheritor in AVP, he had no emotional attachment to Peter, it was just another business deal.
It's easy to imagine that Bishop Weyland probably had lots of undocumented children all over the world, some of which could take his surname after his death. After all, Elon has more than ten kids now 😅
Totally agree. The production values are through the roof for such a relatively small channel. This and Mr H reviews knock it out of the park every time
Maybe a grandfather or other distant relative. Maybe Peter or his parents took up the name because lets face it, Weyland is a pretty cool name. And since Charles was who he was and his wealth and drive for technology passed on and also possibly last of his name, Peter decided to make an AI with his appearance as an honor to the old chap.
Tbh....id never really thought of any connection due to not being a big fan of the avp movies....but now that youve done this video I've gotta say: Charles Wayland being the father of Peter Wayland makes a lot of sense as the time lines seem to add up and the fact that Peter's first patent was so specific to the same disease Charles had. Man and i thought i couldnt be more impressed with your videos than i already was. Thanks for proving me wrong! :)
@Nick That depends on what you mean by "accomplish", if you define it as motivating and funding something, sure, he's accomplished a lot, if you define it as you've actually build the thing (what ever it is) yourself, then not really, you don't think he actually designs and builds everything his companies make himself do you, there's a reason he hires engineers and technicians, he gets them to design and build the ideas he comes up with, and trust me, having the initial idea is the easy bit by far, it takes a LOT more than just thinking something up to bring it into being, for the split second that it takes for an idea to come into being, it often takes thousands of man-hours to figure out how to actually make it work. That's why it's wrong for people to put Musk up on a pedestal like they do, he is not Tony Stark, no one is, it would be like saying JFK was entirely responsible for man getting to the moon just because he issued that challenge, it does all the scientists and engineers who actually did the hard bit to make it happen a massive disservice.
@@LeoH3L1 well done buddy you just described, in detail, why musk deserves credit. All those3 scientists and engineers wouldnt have come together to build soaceships. Musk is the leader with the vision. The scientists get paid salaries. If they think musk is stealing their limelight, why are they not making their own companies?
@@stuartfury3390 Credit for that, not for the engineering itself, which a lot of people think he actually does himself. Well done buddy, you just described in detail exactly how you missed the point.
I would much prefer the AVP films to canon over PREDATORS, Prometheus and Covenant. To me, the first AvP was entertaining and more true to the EU material than what's being pumped out now. Personally, I would like to think there is a Multiverse in Alien - Predator, and the AVP movies bridge Predator and Predator 2 to the Alien films in one continuity.
Am I the only one who kind of loves that Alien canon is subjective? I hate when franchises put objective stamps on what is and is not canonical. Things being open to interpretation is so much more fun.
Bigger headache is who of all 3 characters that look exactly alike. Is THIS Weyland.. or Bishop.. or whoever THE FIRST that the others came from or do we not know everything about them yet.. including if there's any more that also look alike?? This must be confusing.. even to them. The relationship makes sense as does the Aliens, Predators and Humans having a weird and deadly 3-way relationship. It all see to gel nicely into a dark realistic universe
Because there is a debate amoung Alien fans on whether or not the AVP movies are part of the actual series canon or not. You could argue either Charles or Peter as being the Founder of the Weyland Corporation. Now if you are of the mindset that yes the AVP movies are part of the Alien canon then yes they are obviously related. Its just that issue of if or if not you consider AVP canon.
It is canon, unless an official source is released by Fox outlines what is and what is not canon, it remains an official entry into the shared Alien Predator Universe
I don't see a dilemma with the Founding; Weyland Industries IS NOT Weyland Corp. Weyland Corp fully and openly counts all its Biotech and Biomedical firms on its roster while Weyland Industries kept them low-key in the shadows. If one were stepping out of the shadows to completely subsume previously independently-operating wholly owned subsidiaries, a name change would be in order. Something that sounds less Industrial and sterile and more warm and all-encompasing.
@@digitalis2977 Except there's one big problem with that. That is that Weyland Industries and Weyland Corp were both supposed to merge at different times to form Weyland-Yutani. Which unfortunately punches a hole in making them set in one canon universe. This was done deliberately to make AVP non canon.
I'm not sure AvP will ever be canon or fully canon but it does seem like whoever created Peter had see AvP as there's too many coincidences that match up. If anything I'd say they're maybe cousins or uncle and nephew. The fake trachea part was just too in line to have been a random choice.
I had always heard rumors that Cameron and Scott had gone back and forth on the conjoined universes. I think Cameron, who is in favor of the AVP universe, is trying to "force Scott's hand" with the most recent Predator movie and the easter egg inclusion of the xenomorphs in the background and the "mutated" predator having the carapace of a xenomorph's exoskeleton, although it is not explicitly mentioned it is alluded too. I know the recent Predator movie was polarizing at best, but underlining plot points do raise eyebrows.
He basically ripped off the whole movie, you got your old guy who wants adventure, the protagonist Ripley ripoff, your trigger happy crew, your old temple, and your ancient race. Atleast Alien vs Predator fulfilled its goals to tell an amazing story, meanwhile Ridley obsesses over Rome and pretends like he made Alien when he didn't write the script or make the props, seriously the man gets too much credit.
@@redcell9636 now that disney runs the show and how much they love shsred universes, the aliens vs predator universe is getting a soft reboot, this new predator movie is supposedly the first time a predator came to earth which would make avp non canon because they are going to reintroduce avp in a different way not make their origin tied together
I think that it’s possible Weyland could’ve cloned and cryogenically frozen himself until his illness was able to be cured. So the Weyland we saw die in AVP was actually a clone and the Weyland in the prequels is the original
I don't really consider the avps as Canon but a good connection to Charles and Peter is that Charles was Peter's distant grandfather, Peter was a science prodigy and wanted to be apart of his grandfathers (Charles) work that's when Peter came up with the patient but by the time Peter could present the findings to Charles so he could help save his life but sadly he had died in the first avp and Charles knowing that Peter was gifted left the company under Peter's father's control till Peter could be of age and run the company.
I hate that Ridley Scott isnt interested in AVP lore or connecting the lore. At this point there have been many many AvP corssover in the comics. But theses theories make everything line up with Peter and his invention in 2004 becaue Charles had the lung disease. Im still holding onto hope that we will get a well written story of AvP in the movies. We have to.
I would love if AvP were canon. It would mean the black goo was experimented with before David, or they wouldn't exist as a right of passage for predators to kill. Either by the engineers or by the predators themselves. It would also leave the future of the Alien series open. David's creatures don't have to lead to Alien 1 if Xenomorphs exist. It can take a new directions with the results of David's studies but also have given us more insight to the universe with the prequels explaining the engineers.
It's just plain good universe building to have them all connected and I see them as one. I think Scott is short sighted in this. He could learn a lot from Lucas.
if you look into the old comics and novels going back years and years. the pradators have been mentioned a long time ago and also lets not forget the alien skull in predator 2. I consider avp more canon than ridley scotts mumbo jumbo hes knocking out nowadays...
Its all connected gotta play tbe avp / solo predator games it fills gaps. peters his son, charles dies in 2004, if you played predator concrete jungle it explains everything after, like if he died in 2004 weyland industeries would tank and need a new ceo.. who is the mystery mr weyland then in predator concrete jungle??? Its like 2030 or someshit in that game...Its obviously peter fuckin weyland considering he started weyland corp in 2015.. he just turned weyland industries into a corporation..and in alien covenant when walter picks up the weyland equipment in the derelict ship that blantly says weyland corp. He says weyland industries
I consider the Alien Vs. Predator films canon only because a member of the Weyland and Yutani company and family bloodlines appear in the first and second film respectively. Twentieth Century Fox is to blame for fucking up the canon with and after these films, among other things.
I don’t care what the director thinks . As a kid growing up watching alien and aliens movies and the predators. I always thought it be cool to have aliens , predators and space Marines go at it in a big old war battle. And this annoys me David did not re-create the Alien Xenomorphs .
Has it ever been revealed when cloning was created in the Alien timeline? We know that it took a very long time to create Ripley 8 due to Alien: Resurrection, but was that due to cloning not being a thing, or purely because of the complex nature of what they wanted [not merely to clone her, or to create a hybrid, but specifically to clone her with a viable queen chestburster inside her.] I'd be surprised if Peter isn't just a clone of Charles [he wouldn't have his memories as that was a side effect of the alien dna, but they could be expecting him to be just as much of a genius as the original?] ===Edit=== My bad, got myself confused, I had it stuck in my head you were asking if Charles and "Bishop 2" were related.
It's Easy, The AvP franchise is not cannon to the Alien Franchise. and you didn't comment the videogames tho, like Aliens Colonial Marines where Michael Wayland appears, good video anyway
I have always thought that Michael Bishop was who the Androids design was based on. When he got hit from behind by that prisoner he actually bled. But then again it seemed like it didn't even bother him even though a big chunk of his scalp was removed. Charles Bishop Weyland was said to have been who the Android models were based around though. As an adult I've come to settle with the idea that Michael Bishop was an Android
I do believe that AVP is part of the canon continuity, and I've always thought that Peter is the son of Charles. Nephew is also a plausible theory, one I've often considered but ultimately rejected on the basis that it wasn't quite a strong enough connection for such a motivation unless Charles was a prominent figure in Peter's formative years.
I think Charles bishop weyland was used as an inspiration in the creation of the Weyland from Promotheus and covenant. They have too similar of paths copy and pasted. They scrapped bishops and used his as inspiration for the modern day movie weyland. That makes the most sense to me. And I go with ridley Scott as he says, "you can pretty much just put those movies to the wayside.. they aren't really part of this story at all (i.e. Promotheus and Covenant)". Thanks for the video as well!
That question weather they are related bothered me for years. Peter & Charles weyland. are they connected? Are they related? in the alien franchise I kinda wanna believe they are related father & son. Charles as the father. Alien theory luv ya work lol.
peters his son, charles dies in 2004, if you played predator concrete jungle it explains everything after, like if he died in 2004 weyland industeries would tank and need a new ceo.. who is the mystery mr weyland then in predator concrete jungle??? Its like 2030 or someshit in that game...Its obviously peter fuckin weyland considering he started weyland corp in 2015.. he just turned weyland industries into a corporation..and in alien covenant when walter picks up the weyland equipment in the derelict ship that blantly says weyland corp. He says weyland industries
Definitely related! Maby his sister's/brother's son (nephew). Both men "happen" to be Weylands' AND both men "happen" to be obsessed with new frontiers in space and robotics? Nah, it's not just a coincidence; definitely related. Timeline works too.
One thing that nonome seems to point out is that Charles Bishop was running Weyland INDUSTRIES, Peter Wayland founded The Weyland CORPORATION which would be a new entity. I feel like the Father-Son connection makes a bit more sense motivationally, than Uncle-Nephew. The synthetic trachea patent in the year of his death is too personal feeling (maybe he had been working on it to prolong his life so that he could make it through that 30 year span and he could take over when coming of age. Charles Bishop could have left his family in India to follow business with his dedication. But also I would like to point out that he possibly didn't have to. It just says Peter was born in India. Does it say he produced his patent there? It seems like he would have access to the resources if he had access to one of the main Weyland facilities in the UK or somewhere. It's possible one of the Bishops (ancestors of course) held up Weyland Industries until Peter takes over and creates the Weyland Corporation. It is also possible that after Charles Bishop's death and stocks temporarily dropped, it gave rise to the Tyrell Corporation that would rise in power (and rivalry) alongside Weyland Corp until its demise in 2019.
Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, India on October 1, 1990, to his mother, an Oxford-educated Professor of Comparative Mythology, who may have studied things like god like warriors fighting demons in a pyramid, and his father most likely was Charles Bishop Weyland a self taught engineer. His father dying from cancer would explain his obsession with finding immortality. This is fun
Well, there is NO reason that Charles Weyland isn't the father of Peter Weyland and Meredith Weyland (Vickers) if fits the time-line! While many don't consider AVP 'canon' to the Alien franchise, sorry but I do as it's - all make believe - just like Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel - all intersecting and existing, within their own franchises! Probably why they are ALL way more successful and popular than Alien, Predator and AVP - as from what I see, the fan base is too busy arguing what is, what isn't 'canon' and along comes Ridley Scott with his 'prequels' and he re-writes 40 years of lore of the Alien franchise, just to suit him LOL!
I ABSOLUTELY believe in the Charles Bishop Weyland of the Weyland Corp. And Family line. Whether uncle and nephew, which i favor, or father and son, it makes too much sense. Personally I adore the AVP 1, that also makes alot of sense, but you forgot to mention Bishop Weylands role, which was HUGE, in Alien 3. He was 1st there as a robot, "Bishop", but at the end he showed up to try and talk Ripley out of suicide, and at that point, he seemed human, real, and that the robot would be fashioned along his lines made sense. Yes, Charles Bishop Weyland was the head of the company for Aliens 3, 4 and at certainly AVP, which to my mind is an underappreciated film no doubt. Avp 2 I do th hink was ridiculous due to casting and screenwriting, in fact, many issues. Anyway, that is my view, strongly held. Thanks!
Charles Bishop Weyland built the original parent company. I like the idea of Peter being a nephew, I like the idea that Charlrs had bastard children all over the world. I believe AVP was the prequel to as to why the Weyalnd Yurabi Corporation became obsessed with the Xenomorph. They collected data from the expedition and were fascinated with what was said about the Xenomorph. The existence of the Yautja has been around for almost 20 years in the movie timeline, but they have been hunting us since times in the B.C. according to what they found in the pyramid. All in all I believe AVP is a critical role in the timelines.
I don't see any reason why the AvP movies couldn't be cannon. The theories in here are pretty sound. People would argue that we see David create the Aliens, so they couldn't possibly have been around in 2004, but honestly, David created a batch using samples from a 2,000 ship. I don't see any reason why the "Engineers" would have just stopped there 2,000 years ago. I'm sure they continued work on them beyond just that one ship.
As much as I don't believe that the AVP films are in canon with the main Alien timeline, the idea of Charles and Peter being related is too tantalizing an idea to ignore. Though, I do not believe them to be father and son. I tend to fall more along the lines of them being uncle and nephew, since there's no clear sign that Charles was ever a father.
My personal canon: Charles developed Weyland Industries to be a global force for hi-tech industry, though his illness made it clear that he couldn't see his ambition come to full fruition. As such, he left the company in perpetuity until his only nephew Peter came of age, having seen his vast intelligence and ambition.
Timothy Brackin But it’s already canon that Peter was the founder of the Weyland company.
While that is true, I take it with a grain of salt. Remember, that was espoused through the Weyland-Yutani Timeline, which can be doctored up to make Peter Weyland look as magnificent as possible.
Besides, it's my personal canon, and it need not necessarily tie into the official canon perfectly.
Timothy Brackin I was also thinking uncle/nephew. Father/son would be too on the nose imo.
i was also of a more uncle/nephew opinion.
Peter was founder of Weyland Corporation. Charles was founder of Weyland Industries.
The idea that peter designed his synthetic respiratory system primarily to try and save Charle’s life is actually a really nice and sweet idea that actually works. It almost brings a tear to my eye
Easy. Charles Bishop Weyland as a globetrotter, met a British woman, they got married and she moved to Mubai and had Peter. He simply lived with his mother as the two were perhaps estranged due, to Charles being obsessed with his work.
That's exactly what I've been thinking!!!
cough "Clone" cough
I always like the idea of Charles bishop weyland being the main weyland. Whenever I hear Weyland his image always pops up, Not Guy pearce lol
Peter should be the father and Bishop should be the son
@Elitesolider1023 Wouldn't work, Peter Weyland was born in 1990 and Charles Weyland was a full grown man by the time of his death in 2004. Bishop should be the father and Peter the son.
As always, you tied the loose ends of continuity in a creative and thoughtful way. Even though it's not universally cannon, I really like the way you tied Peter / Charles B. Whalen together as a possible father - son.
*canon
I liked AVP and Charles was an intriguing character. I want him to be canon no matter how they explain the relation to Peter.
Thanks for this. Father and estranged son. It’s all canon until it isn’t. The connections and room for them are better than I’ve claimed in the past. You don’t have to like AvP, but nothing excludes it. Just like nothing excludes Alien Resurrection...
I definitely think that there's a connection. But I still believe that Charles made his memory back up that you see in the AVP 2010 game, a synth who's meant to pose as his ancestor and inheritor, Karl Bishop Waylend.
Perheps he made him for the case that Peter would fail to bring progress to humanity?
You don't have to like the AVP films, but I still think they should be considered canon, the second movie helps establish how humans achieved advanced space travel by the end of the 21st century as seen in Prometheus, Peter Weyland could have just expanded on the technology with his genius; there's too many connections in both universes to ignore the AVP films.
Agreed. Wether you like AVP or don’t, it does tie in... althoooough you really gotta stretch the imagination and be a bit open minded
@@shotcall1 Not really. All connections were intentional.
Esp if you played all the avp games and predator concrete jungle shit connects even more
Dates wrong,
Blade Runner 2049, Aliens 2079 Old timeline.
@@druunderwood5602what dates wrong
Another great video thanks 4 making up my crappy day
so hes Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne rolled into one but without the crime fighting
Predator fighting
Elon musk, perhaps??
He wouldn't wanna fight himself now, would he
Bruce Wayne has WAY more skills than that
I'm one of the 3 people that really liked AvP. So I'd like to believe that there is a connection there.
As far as canon goes, I remember when Aliens: Colonial Marines came out and they were declaring it canon. And it flopped hard and they quit saying that.
I agree. Just like with Prometheus. Not many liked it, however I loved it! I loved Covenant too. Just because something doesn't sell well, like Colonial Marines doesn't mean it's not cannon or connected. I liked Colonial Marines too.
As was foretold in the ancient prophecies, we at last are all met....
Now, to business.
@@OldNavajoTricks The prophecy is wrong brotha, there is a fourth brother who likes it, which is I.
As Italian, I like AvP also because it's the only movie about this Sci-fi universe with an Italian actor. The archeologist Sebastian. The guy able to decifer an entire room of hieroglyphs in two minutes. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah Raul Bova was cool in that movie.
I met Lance Henriksen at Cardiff Comic-Con a few years back. Very softly spoken and genuinely seemed like an incredibly nice guy. The same day I met David Prowse (Darth Vader, seemed unwell and a bit grumpy) and Brian Blessed (genuine legend, as great as you'd hope he'd be)
I consider AVP part of the series and think that they're related.
Logan Bear I agree
I know but still pretty awesome relation because it gives you something that you haven't seen before but my brother and me had also thought why not make a movie based off of what they say about the Aztec voting and Egyptian people that are all together with AVP going on then too cuz they explained that happened back then as well.
Litshttam I know, but at the same time it could be because of all the similarities but at the same time then how did the Alien get to earth for this to happen?. Well I think that if Weyland can transport a queen why can't the Yuatja?.
My day was boring until I got an Alien theory notification.Thank you alien theory!
Thank you I appreciate that!
They don't necessarily have to be father and son, Charles Bishop Weyland could be an uncle or a cousin of Peter Weyland for example. While i don't really consider "offshoot" franchises like AvP to necessarily be canon, i do like the idea of Charles and Peter Weyland having some form of family relation close enough that Peter would go out of his way to try and save Charles from his Cancer. It adds a bit of humanity to both characters while at the same time being sufficiently tragic for the Alien universe, given how Charles dies the same year that Peter completes the invention that would have saved him.
If you integrate the Blade Runner theory, it opens the door to some unique possibilities:
1. Weyland Co., Yutani and Tyrell as a triumvirate; each seeking to use their knowledge of the xenomorph to their own ends
2. What if “Michael” Bishop was a Tyrell-type Replicant and neither a human or an Android?
3. What if Roy Batty encountered the xenomorphs while in space?
Didn't he only have a lifespan of 5 years?
Litshttam how long does it take to travel where he went and back and carry out his business? Would his lifespan allow for all that?
Alan Lee
Battys final monologue in Blade Runner:
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die...
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“Orion’s Shoulder” would be the star Betelgeuse which is 643 light years from Earth
In all likelihood, the off-world Replicants would have to rely on Cryosleep
The only thing I'll say about that is the side-quel film Soldier- another movie directed by dipshit Paul WS Anderson- but written by David Peoples, Todd 3645 was an off-world soldier trained with use of the M41A Pulse Rifle and USCM Smartgun. It's an easter egg, but it's worth mentioning nonetheless.
But whoa whoa whoa how can Gary Busey be in Soldier but also Predator 2! Whoa hold on a second Pvt Hudson is in Predator 2 as well! Oh NOOOO!
Great vid! This sheds light on a man I thought was just an adaptation of the android Bishop but no he was an actual character, a character apparently very good at 'Monopoly'
I really enjoyed AVP, and this seems to be an unpopular reaction to this movie, but I really did. I don't know why so many fns didnt like the movie.
I loved it. I wished the second AVP film would have continued with Alexia Woods. I wanted to see her future adventures with the Xenomorphs and the Predators.
The reason I thought it was crap was the bad acting and the derpy looking Preds. I think the story was solid.
Requiem was worse than the first one.
HK-47 I just had to rewatch Requiem yesterday and i must say it´s still a good action movie, characters are ok-ish (the sheriff is kinda retarded) , they are not so important. It´s R rated,thats good. Honestly i ´ve rather watch Requiem,AvP again than Prometheus or Covenant.
@@KaosNova2 the predalien was a kool concept to bring in but I agree it just felt like it was poorly executed. First one wasnt so bad imo.
Outstanding video as always, sir. Thank you.
Thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed. :)
Another great vid, keep it up!
I'd like to consider avp as the act that sent the corporation on the scent of the xenomorph species and might have sparked some kind of interest in the accounts of such a crazy creature
What if Michael Bishop was a clone of Charles Bishop? The truth is out there
I consider any film or novel that has a xenomorph, of any evolution, in it to be canon. Some are bad and some are good, but that's all subjective anyway. It would be too coincidental in the world of Weyland-Yutani, for Charles and Peter to NOT be related in some way.
That could be the case. Or... maybe Weyland Industries at the time was also secretly, behind-the-scenes (yet again), acquiring firms, organizations and/or companies that had access to even basic but very well understood and grounded cloning technology?
Granted! It certainly sounds somewhat out there or far reaching, it is not however inconceivable that Sir Peter is in fact a young clone 'offspring' of Charles. To help maybe further the Company's legacy and ensure it's survival into the future and beyond. Maybe he had Peter as a son that he secretly raised himself, or he was a clone and was raised like a normal child but with not much 'normal' parentage around, ya?
It could be that he is a clone of Charles, and based the Bishop androids on his progenitor. No? Maybe?
I like to think: Possibly. And Probably...
I agree AvP are definitely best canon as they do respect continuity the most, and Ridley Scott really mish mashed continuity with his movies basically retconning even the first Alien movie.
But Peter Weyland could be the child of Charles Wyland's sister or brother or anything.
+Revan
I agree completely, Bishop may have kept his family life a secret along so much else in his life.
I don't think Scott has any interest in as you said "coming around to Alien" considering the continuity mess he's made... And that is even IF any more movies will be allowed considering how Covenant tanked at the box office.
Also it would make sense that Weyland Industries would honor their best creations with the likeness of the founder(s) of the company.
Or it could have been a secret affair, or the mother was under aged, or the mother couldn't handle the media and paparazzi attention that Charles' position brought with it. There could be many explanations why he wouldn't have had family information made public, including that Peter Weyland might have been an orphan that he adopted and gave his last name, for example.
keep it up dude, love this channel!!!!
I know it's an old video, but one key bit information for me is that Ronald Shusset - one of the 2 original authors (the other being Dan O'Bannon) for the screenplay that became Alien actually co-wrote the story for Alien Versus Predator.
To me this means that the AvP films are technically more canon to the Alien franchise than Ridley Scott's prequels, as he was the director of the original film - not the screenwriter. (O'Bannon and Shusset had been influenced by Lovecraft's novels - where the alien life forms are truly unknowable - and Ridley Scott's prequels throw that completely out the window)
Interesting theories! I'd like to see a video explaining the Arturians mentioned in the banter by the Marines in Aliens. If there is any backstory to it...that could be a challenge! Thanks for the great videos!
I think that Charles Bishop Weyland could definitely be the father of Peter Weyland
Based upon their ages in 2004, Charles Bishop Weyland (died aged 63-64 if he was born around 1940 like the actor who played him was) would have more likely have been Peter Weyland's (aged 13-14) grandfather.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Great work. 👍😆
no I don't think that AVP is Alien canon I think they threw them together as a way of a unique match up. I will always hold that the original Alien & Aliens & Alien 3 are official Canon also adding Prometheus because, Ridley Scott. But there is never a lack of opinions regarding the theatrical releases and
I sure appreciate your channel for trying to keep the Alien Franchise alive.
My headcanon is that Weyland Industries had been investigating and covering up predator incidents for decades (likely funding the original paramilitary mission in south America) in attempts to steal and reverse engineer their tech (which explains the technological transformation of LA between the events of Predator 2 in 1997 and the events of Blade Runner in 2019). This is why Charles is so unfazed when he meets one in AVP. At the time of his death in that incident, in 2004, Peter would have been only 14, not yet old enough to inherit the company. The four years without him at the helm, and the resulting inevitable leadership fights and vacuums would have been a perfect time for others to file lawsuits regarding these incidents (and the following year's one in Colorado) and bring the company to the brink of potential ruin.
Upon inheriting the company in 2008, on his 18th birthday, Peter would have been canny enough to have spent 4 years learning corporate law and loopholes and then immediately instigate a recovery plan. By 2012 he has managed to liquidate the original Weyland Industries and move the assets and IP over to a new legally distinct Weyland Industries founded by himself, and immune from all legal culpability of the old Weyland company. Hence why he appears to be later thought of as the 'founder' of Weyland Industries.
The trauma of these 8 years would likely have soured his view of his own father, instilled a fear of death, infused a more clandestine culture into the corporation's hierarchy, and caused him to pivot away somewhat from reverse engineering alien tech, toward more focus on space exploration, searching out alien life to reverse-bio-engineer, and creating synthetics that can be trusted with such hidden corporate objectives on deep space missions.
This all leads to the events of Prometheus, which, despite his attempts to not repeat his father's mistakes and instead, surpass him, still result in Peter's fate mirroring his father's own.
This also gives motivation to David's experiments on the engineer homeworld. He didn't create the xenomorphs. He used the records of the engineer's creation of the xenomorphs to reverse engineer his own into existence, the plan being to eventually find a large enough group of dormant humans to continue the research work invisioned by his father, in manipulating xenomorph genetics for brand new purposes, thereby surpassing his father and grandfather. But in David's case, the goal is to turn the biotech back onto humanity and sentient humanoid life. Thereby not only surplanting his father and grandfather, but ALL of humanity and humanity's creators (engineers) and ancient gods (predators)
The androids therefore end up being to the engineers, what the autons later become to humans.The creation of their own creations, that move beyond the bounds of their control and pose a risk to their survival.
In my head I always figured Charles was Peters father because I accepted that the designer from Aliens 3 was human and therefore assumed some long lineage must exist.
I took the identical look of the two characters (Charles and Bishop) and assumed it was a family look not meant to be identical but more so that the producers wanted a character associated with the franchise to return and as they couldn't bring in Ripley, a version of Bishop was the best they could wiggle in.
Yes! Excellent video - this kind of thing is what keeps me coming back to Alien Theory.
I want to count it as canon cause it shows the predators fighting the xenomorph if nothing else . That and the more Lance Henriksen the better in my opinion . I know the movie isnt the best thing ever but ehh Ive seen lot worse .
Pretty interesting Alien Theory episode about Charles Bishop Weyland !
I like the father and son theory. Though I have a feeling Ridley Scott wants those universes separate.
Well Ridley Scott is a grumpy old man who hates fun
I mean we could have gotten a Neill Blomkamp version of Aliens but then Ridley Scott got all antsy and pushed for Covenant.
I have a feeling that by the end of the prequals, Ridley will have made sure that AVP is an impossibility in his timeline. Making the AVP a separate universe. Much to my own dissapointment, I enjoyed AVP and AVP2, despite it's flaws.
The first AVP wasn't bad, a good attempt. The second one felt like it tried too hard. I feel like if we ever get a chance at a proper AVP movie, it should be based off the first comic series with the Ranchers.
Easy fix. You personally disregard the "prequels" as Alien movies and consider them as a "alternate universe" version. Including only the Alien and Predator and AVP movies as main line canon.
There may be no direct genetic relationship between the two, but, upon hearing his diagnosis Bishop Weyland looked to securing the future of his company by appointing a young protege as his successor. Possibly rushing through a quick adoption, or maybe Peter took on the Weyland name at a later date to consolidate his ownership of the brand when he came of age. This explains why Bishop Weyland made no mention of a son or inheritor in AVP, he had no emotional attachment to Peter, it was just another business deal.
It's easy to imagine that Bishop Weyland probably had lots of undocumented children all over the world, some of which could take his surname after his death.
After all, Elon has more than ten kids now 😅
I always wondered this.... thanks for this video! More questions than answers... but it's a HUGE coincidence
God damn your videos are good.
Totally agree. The production values are through the roof for such a relatively small channel. This and Mr H reviews knock it out of the park every time
Maybe a grandfather or other distant relative. Maybe Peter or his parents took up the name because lets face it, Weyland is a pretty cool name. And since Charles was who he was and his wealth and drive for technology passed on and also possibly last of his name, Peter decided to make an AI with his appearance as an honor to the old chap.
Tbh....id never really thought of any connection due to not being a big fan of the avp movies....but now that youve done this video I've gotta say: Charles Wayland being the father of Peter Wayland makes a lot of sense as the time lines seem to add up and the fact that Peter's first patent was so specific to the same disease Charles had. Man and i thought i couldnt be more impressed with your videos than i already was. Thanks for proving me wrong! :)
This is almost the story of Elon Musk... minus the flamethrower
Elon Musk did Sell flame Throwers to the public look it up
@Nick That depends on what you mean by "accomplish", if you define it as motivating and funding something, sure, he's accomplished a lot, if you define it as you've actually build the thing (what ever it is) yourself, then not really, you don't think he actually designs and builds everything his companies make himself do you, there's a reason he hires engineers and technicians, he gets them to design and build the ideas he comes up with, and trust me, having the initial idea is the easy bit by far, it takes a LOT more than just thinking something up to bring it into being, for the split second that it takes for an idea to come into being, it often takes thousands of man-hours to figure out how to actually make it work.
That's why it's wrong for people to put Musk up on a pedestal like they do, he is not Tony Stark, no one is, it would be like saying JFK was entirely responsible for man getting to the moon just because he issued that challenge, it does all the scientists and engineers who actually did the hard bit to make it happen a massive disservice.
@S billings thats such a stupid comment
@@LeoH3L1 well done buddy you just described, in detail, why musk deserves credit. All those3 scientists and engineers wouldnt have come together to build soaceships. Musk is the leader with the vision. The scientists get paid salaries. If they think musk is stealing their limelight, why are they not making their own companies?
@@stuartfury3390 Credit for that, not for the engineering itself, which a lot of people think he actually does himself.
Well done buddy, you just described in detail exactly how you missed the point.
Brilliant work as always!
I would much prefer the AVP films to canon over PREDATORS, Prometheus and Covenant. To me, the first AvP was entertaining and more true to the EU material than what's being pumped out now.
Personally, I would like to think there is a Multiverse in Alien - Predator, and the AVP movies bridge Predator and Predator 2 to the Alien films in one continuity.
What about Alien Resurrection and The Predator ?
TZMC219 Shane's movie sounds not very promising if the leaked plot is anything to go by.
RakaiThwei and Alien Résurrection?
TZMC219 I could live with it but do without out it. It's not as bad as everyone thinks it is but it is pretty mediocre.
He's weyland , can you talk about blade runner in the alien universe ?
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Great video Alien Theory!
We all thought it was Aliens who built the piramids, it turns out it was predators
TechYK the pyramids were built by fallen angels/ nephilim. Angels are demons or fallen angels they taught man technology
@@fearofthelord8465 So... Yautja.
What if the the pyramids were built by the engineers?
After viewing your videos and this one I would like to link Bishop into the Alien canon, it does no harm and actually enriches it.
Am I the only one who kind of loves that Alien canon is subjective? I hate when franchises put objective stamps on what is and is not canonical. Things being open to interpretation is so much more fun.
Bigger headache is who of all 3 characters that look exactly alike. Is THIS Weyland.. or Bishop.. or whoever THE FIRST that the others came from or do we not know everything about them yet.. including if there's any more that also look alike?? This must be confusing.. even to them.
The relationship makes sense as does the Aliens, Predators and Humans having a weird and deadly 3-way relationship. It all see to gel nicely into a dark realistic universe
I love multiple Universes in Science Fiction Franchises, so i like itif they are related some how myself, enjoyed the video Alien Theroy 👍👍
How are they not related that is a crystal clear connection.
Because there is a debate amoung Alien fans on whether or not the AVP movies are part of the actual series canon or not. You could argue either Charles or Peter as being the Founder of the Weyland Corporation. Now if you are of the mindset that yes the AVP movies are part of the Alien canon then yes they are obviously related. Its just that issue of if or if not you consider AVP canon.
It is canon, unless an official source is released by Fox outlines what is and what is not canon, it remains an official entry into the shared Alien Predator Universe
I don't see a dilemma with the Founding; Weyland Industries IS NOT Weyland Corp.
Weyland Corp fully and openly counts all its Biotech and Biomedical firms on its roster while Weyland Industries kept them low-key in the shadows.
If one were stepping out of the shadows to completely subsume previously independently-operating wholly owned subsidiaries, a name change would be in order.
Something that sounds less Industrial and sterile and more warm and all-encompasing.
@@digitalis2977 Except there's one big problem with that. That is that Weyland Industries and Weyland Corp were both supposed to merge at different times to form Weyland-Yutani. Which unfortunately punches a hole in making them set in one canon universe. This was done deliberately to make AVP non canon.
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I'm not sure AvP will ever be canon or fully canon but it does seem like whoever created Peter had see AvP as there's too many coincidences that match up. If anything I'd say they're maybe cousins or uncle and nephew. The fake trachea part was just too in line to have been a random choice.
To say Ridley Scott doesn't like AvP, he sure stole a lot of the ideas for Weyland.
I had always heard rumors that Cameron and Scott had gone back and forth on the conjoined universes. I think Cameron, who is in favor of the AVP universe, is trying to "force Scott's hand" with the most recent Predator movie and the easter egg inclusion of the xenomorphs in the background and the "mutated" predator having the carapace of a xenomorph's exoskeleton, although it is not explicitly mentioned it is alluded too. I know the recent Predator movie was polarizing at best, but underlining plot points do raise eyebrows.
He basically ripped off the whole movie, you got your old guy who wants adventure, the protagonist Ripley ripoff, your trigger happy crew, your old temple, and your ancient race. Atleast Alien vs Predator fulfilled its goals to tell an amazing story, meanwhile Ridley obsesses over Rome and pretends like he made Alien when he didn't write the script or make the props, seriously the man gets too much credit.
@@redcell9636 now that disney runs the show and how much they love shsred universes, the aliens vs predator universe is getting a soft reboot, this new predator movie is supposedly the first time a predator came to earth which would make avp non canon because they are going to reintroduce avp in a different way not make their origin tied together
I think that it’s possible Weyland could’ve cloned and cryogenically frozen himself until his illness was able to be cured. So the Weyland we saw die in AVP was actually a clone and the Weyland in the prequels is the original
The Unknown Weyland in Predator Concrete Jungle could be Peter Weyland!
That's certainly interesting! ^^
Forgot there even was a Weyland in that game! Good point.
It is forsure its all connected but its just not in your face
Good theory and I've kinda had that way of thinking too, that they're father and son
I don't really consider the avps as Canon but a good connection to Charles and Peter is that Charles was Peter's distant grandfather, Peter was a science prodigy and wanted to be apart of his grandfathers (Charles) work that's when Peter came up with the patient but by the time Peter could present the findings to Charles so he could help save his life but sadly he had died in the first avp and Charles knowing that Peter was gifted left the company under Peter's father's control till Peter could be of age and run the company.
I assumed that Charles was Peter's father, with Peter picking up and renaming his father's company after his "disappearance."
I hate that Ridley Scott isnt interested in AVP lore or connecting the lore. At this point there have been many many AvP corssover in the comics. But theses theories make everything line up with Peter and his invention in 2004 becaue Charles had the lung disease. Im still holding onto hope that we will get a well written story of AvP in the movies. We have to.
As far as I'm concerned the avps are definitely canon. Way more so than the prequels
I would love if AvP were canon. It would mean the black goo was experimented with before David, or they wouldn't exist as a right of passage for predators to kill. Either by the engineers or by the predators themselves.
It would also leave the future of the Alien series open. David's creatures don't have to lead to Alien 1 if Xenomorphs exist. It can take a new directions with the results of David's studies but also have given us more insight to the universe with the prequels explaining the engineers.
AvP IS canon though
AVP was an original and entertaining film. Please do a timeline on Yutani, we don’t hear much about them
This is great background music! I really have to know, where do you get the music?
Great videos too
It's just plain good universe building to have them all connected and I see them as one. I think Scott is short sighted in this. He could learn a lot from Lucas.
I think Lance Henriksen is one underrated actor that needs more A-List roles and some love from his fans.
Very interesting. Love this!
if you look into the old comics and novels going back years and years. the pradators have been mentioned a long time ago and also lets not forget the alien skull in predator 2. I consider avp more canon than ridley scotts mumbo jumbo hes knocking out nowadays...
Its all connected gotta play tbe avp / solo predator games it fills gaps. peters his son, charles dies in 2004, if you played predator concrete jungle it explains everything after, like if he died in 2004 weyland industeries would tank and need a new ceo.. who is the mystery mr weyland then in predator concrete jungle??? Its like 2030 or someshit in that game...Its obviously peter fuckin weyland considering he started weyland corp in 2015.. he just turned weyland industries into a corporation..and in alien covenant when walter picks up the weyland equipment in the derelict ship that blantly says weyland corp. He says weyland industries
I consider the Alien Vs. Predator films canon only because a member of the Weyland and Yutani company and family bloodlines appear in the first and second film respectively. Twentieth Century Fox is to blame for fucking up the canon with and after these films, among other things.
What’s the background music ?
Lovely use of the music from Medieval Total War
Hola tengo una pregunta yutany y ggwivelan existe todavía existe si o no
I don’t care what the director thinks . As a kid growing up watching alien and aliens movies and the predators. I always thought it be cool to have aliens , predators and space Marines go at it in a big old war battle. And this annoys me David did not re-create the Alien Xenomorphs .
Has it ever been revealed when cloning was created in the Alien timeline?
We know that it took a very long time to create Ripley 8 due to Alien: Resurrection, but was that due to cloning not being a thing, or purely because of the complex nature of what they wanted [not merely to clone her, or to create a hybrid, but specifically to clone her with a viable queen chestburster inside her.]
I'd be surprised if Peter isn't just a clone of Charles [he wouldn't have his memories as that was a side effect of the alien dna, but they could be expecting him to be just as much of a genius as the original?]
===Edit=== My bad, got myself confused, I had it stuck in my head you were asking if Charles and "Bishop 2" were related.
It's Easy, The AvP franchise is not cannon to the Alien Franchise. and you didn't comment the videogames tho, like Aliens Colonial Marines where Michael Wayland appears, good video anyway
I have always thought that Michael Bishop was who the Androids design was based on. When he got hit from behind by that prisoner he actually bled. But then again it seemed like it didn't even bother him even though a big chunk of his scalp was removed. Charles Bishop Weyland was said to have been who the Android models were based around though. As an adult I've come to settle with the idea that Michael Bishop was an Android
I do believe that AVP is part of the canon continuity, and I've always thought that Peter is the son of Charles. Nephew is also a plausible theory, one I've often considered but ultimately rejected on the basis that it wasn't quite a strong enough connection for such a motivation unless Charles was a prominent figure in Peter's formative years.
What a great video.. Man me rethink AVP.
I think Charles bishop weyland was used as an inspiration in the creation of the Weyland from Promotheus and covenant. They have too similar of paths copy and pasted. They scrapped bishops and used his as inspiration for the modern day movie weyland. That makes the most sense to me. And I go with ridley Scott as he says, "you can pretty much just put those movies to the wayside.. they aren't really part of this story at all (i.e. Promotheus and Covenant)". Thanks for the video as well!
Great video!
I don like AVP that much but it is entertaining at least.
Have you done any videos on alien Blade Runner?
Nice story man!
That question weather they are related bothered me for years. Peter & Charles weyland. are they connected? Are they related? in the alien franchise I kinda wanna believe they are related father & son. Charles as the father.
Alien theory luv ya work lol.
peters his son, charles dies in 2004, if you played predator concrete jungle it explains everything after, like if he died in 2004 weyland industeries would tank and need a new ceo.. who is the mystery mr weyland then in predator concrete jungle??? Its like 2030 or someshit in that game...Its obviously peter fuckin weyland considering he started weyland corp in 2015.. he just turned weyland industries into a corporation..and in alien covenant when walter picks up the weyland equipment in the derelict ship that blantly says weyland corp. He says weyland industries
Definitely related! Maby his sister's/brother's son (nephew). Both men "happen" to be Weylands' AND both men "happen" to be obsessed with new frontiers in space and robotics? Nah, it's not just a coincidence; definitely related. Timeline works too.
Great content!
Sir Peter... possibly a Clone of charles bishop wayland?
With all that tech and biotech firm acquisition... seems feasible, no?
One thing that nonome seems to point out is that Charles Bishop was running Weyland INDUSTRIES, Peter Wayland founded The Weyland CORPORATION which would be a new entity.
I feel like the Father-Son connection makes a bit more sense motivationally, than Uncle-Nephew.
The synthetic trachea patent in the year of his death is too personal feeling (maybe he had been working on it to prolong his life so that he could make it through that 30 year span and he could take over when coming of age.
Charles Bishop could have left his family in India to follow business with his dedication.
But also I would like to point out that he possibly didn't have to. It just says Peter was born in India. Does it say he produced his patent there? It seems like he would have access to the resources if he had access to one of the main Weyland facilities in the UK or somewhere.
It's possible one of the Bishops (ancestors of course) held up Weyland Industries until Peter takes over and creates the Weyland Corporation.
It is also possible that after Charles Bishop's death and stocks temporarily dropped, it gave rise to the Tyrell Corporation that would rise in power (and rivalry) alongside Weyland Corp until its demise in 2019.
Loved the first AvP...
I'd like to think AVP is canon but there's so much that disproves it yet there was so much lore in AVP that makes it hard to deny too.
I think that by the end of Ridley's prequals, he will have made sure that AVP storylines are impossible.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Predator movies and I don't think they have any role in the Alien universe canon.
I personally believe that AvP is part of the Predator timeline, but not connected to Alien timeline at all.
Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, India on October 1, 1990, to his mother, an Oxford-educated Professor of Comparative Mythology, who may have studied things like god like warriors fighting demons in a pyramid, and his father most likely was Charles Bishop Weyland a self taught engineer. His father dying from cancer would explain his obsession with finding immortality. This is fun
Or maybe that self-made engineer was someone who worked for Weyland Industries, and his mother was Charles Bishop Weyland's daughter?
Well, there is NO reason that Charles Weyland isn't the father of Peter Weyland and Meredith Weyland (Vickers) if fits the time-line! While many don't consider AVP 'canon' to the Alien franchise, sorry but I do as it's - all make believe - just like Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel - all intersecting and existing, within their own franchises! Probably why they are ALL way more successful and popular than Alien, Predator and AVP - as from what I see, the fan base is too busy arguing what is, what isn't 'canon' and along comes Ridley Scott with his 'prequels' and he re-writes 40 years of lore of the Alien franchise, just to suit him LOL!
If its Canon, Its his Uncle !!!
I wonder if anyone actually didn't expect Karl Biship Weyland (the antagonist and final "boss" of AvP, the 2010 video game) to be a synth.
I ABSOLUTELY believe in the Charles Bishop Weyland of the Weyland Corp. And Family line. Whether uncle and nephew, which i favor, or father and son, it makes too much sense.
Personally I adore the AVP 1, that also makes alot of sense, but you forgot to mention Bishop Weylands role, which was HUGE, in Alien 3. He was 1st there as a robot, "Bishop", but at the end he showed up to try and talk Ripley out of suicide, and at that point, he seemed human, real, and that the robot would be fashioned along his lines made sense. Yes, Charles Bishop Weyland was the head of the company for Aliens 3, 4 and at certainly AVP, which to my mind is an underappreciated film no doubt. Avp 2 I do th hink was ridiculous due to casting and screenwriting, in fact, many issues. Anyway, that is my view, strongly held. Thanks!
Charles Bishop Weyland built the original parent company. I like the idea of Peter being a nephew, I like the idea that Charlrs had bastard children all over the world. I believe AVP was the prequel to as to why the Weyalnd Yurabi Corporation became obsessed with the Xenomorph. They collected data from the expedition and were fascinated with what was said about the Xenomorph. The existence of the Yautja has been around for almost 20 years in the movie timeline, but they have been hunting us since times in the B.C. according to what they found in the pyramid. All in all I believe AVP is a critical role in the timelines.
Can I ask what music this is ?
I don't see any reason why the AvP movies couldn't be cannon. The theories in here are pretty sound. People would argue that we see David create the Aliens, so they couldn't possibly have been around in 2004, but honestly, David created a batch using samples from a 2,000 ship. I don't see any reason why the "Engineers" would have just stopped there 2,000 years ago. I'm sure they continued work on them beyond just that one ship.