The truth about electric cars - myths vs facts
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The truth about electric cars myths vs facts. I dive into some of the most common arguments I hear about why electric vehicles are bad. Things like taking too long to charge, batteries not lasting, not being as clean as you think and being worse for CO2 emissions, and not enough range.
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Too long to charge: 0:14
Can't drive in a blackout: 3:15
Batteries don't last: 4:07
EVs aren't as clean as you think: 5:48
Not enough range: 8:55
EVs are too expensive: 10:40
Fire hazard: 13:03
Final thoughts: 14:49
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I bought a mid-range Model 3 on Dec 19, went on a 5,000 mile cross country road trip for Christmas and New Year's on it with my family, and had a great time. EVs definitely can do long distant trips as long as your country has the fast-charging infrastructure for it.
Wow! Talk about breaking in a new car. That’s awesome.
Yeah I too got mine on Christmas eve but it’s on the shop how would be most efficient to break in these ev
@@GM-fd7mv I'm sorry to hear your car's already in the shop, hope it's nothing serious. You don't need to break in an EV since there's no piston rings to set.
Hey no worries it’s in the shop for getting tint and other goodies such as PPF with feylab heal coating , althoughAs far as Tesla service Center I did you should go for an alignment
why every Tesla owner does a long road trip after purchasing the EV :D so funny.
Listening to a smart person on RUclips or anywhere is relatively rare. Thanks for the breath of fresh air. Happy new year.
Thank you!
@@UndecidedMF I second Mr. Clark's statement - thank you Matt!
Matt sounds to be very experienced with public speaking. He presents his information in a logical and organized fashion, and yes, it's refreshing ....
You are just an EV fanboi... And I love you for it! 😘
Totally agree!
THANK YOU FOR USING METRIC SYSTEM!
Ha! I’m trying to be better about that in all my videos.
Yes, Matt is a champion! 👍
*Yea Right 100kph sounds really fast, but in fact is only 62mph.*
@@GrrMeister On the flip side for the rest of the world we all find 0-60 sounding really slow.
@@thefabulouskitten7204 *OK My RG500 Square Four 2 stroke does 0-60 mph in an unbelievable 2.5 Seconds, Get your clutch control right at the RG500 will steam the quarter-mile in 11.1 seconds at 120mph It is (can be) a beast and needs careful handling over 7000 rpm by experienced riders only, otherwise they will end up on their backsides double quick.*
One thing rarely touched upon is although on long trips you may need to add some time to your journey for this 15-30 minute charges, you should also discount (or get credits) for all the times you don't have to stop during the weekly/daily commutes that you would have otherwise done to fill up for gas because you're charging at home. It's not a 2 minute fill up for the cars of today with 20+ gallon gas tanks, especially if you have to wait for a pump! I currently fill up every 1-1.5 weeks from daily commuting and local travel. That's about 4 times per month. At 8-10 minutes per fill up between going out of your way to the gas station (even if it's right on the route home), waiting for a pump, transacting at the pump, filling, and leaving, your easily spending 8-10 minutes extra on your commute. That's 30-45 minutes per month easily.
That’s an excellent point. My garage is my gas station, but I also don’t have to spend any time fueling my car the vast majority of the time.
There is often a long wait to get to a charger where I live It can take hours if you spending time driving around to find one that's available
@@archie764 Yeah, I think owning an EV only makes sense if you can charge it at home.
0:09 too long to charge
3:15 can't drive in a blackout
4:01 batteries don't last
5:45 EVs aren't as clean
8:50 not enough range
10:35 EVs are expensive
13:00 fire hazard
14:45 final thoughts
Certain people, like me, always appreciate it when a well structured video has its list of contents published, along with the sources, which are cited on video I know, but it would be nice to link them in the video description too. Consider doing that in the future.
He added timestamps to description now
An easy analogy for arguement of EVs pollute just as much, "My EV removes the middleman refinery that consumes coal power to create that gas you use to make your car go. An oil refinery uses a ton of electricity/energy to make that gallon of gas that you then burn to make your car go. ICE car burns coal to make gas to then burn that gas to go. My EV uses that coal's energy directly. It's just a more efficient use of energy no matter the source of fuel."
Igor Urbanek you’re missing the point. When you burn gas in a car that gas has also used coal electricity to make said gas fuel. Diesel is 40% efficient at converting the gas to motion. But you still have to account for energy loss of coal power to refinery to make said diesel. So 30% on grid * 40% on diesel burn = 12% efficiency from coal to electricity for refinery to diesel to moving a car.
Yes and the larger the engine, the more efficient it is. China's electric cargo freighter made its maiden voyage shipping coal. It's more efficient for a massive land-based plant to use the coal than it is for the less massive ship to do so.
I"d love a nuclear car with 5 oz. of uranium for 300K miles. Alas I think nuclear regulators would have issue with civilians owning mini nuclear power generators in their cars, safety would be an issue, and the cost would likely be prohibitive. nice idea though.
Igor Urbanek, your diesel vehicle isn’t 40% efficient tank-to-tires. Your vehicle’s diesel *engine* is theoretically up to 40% efficient running in its most optimal range, but it rarely runs in that range, and you have efficiency losses in the vehicle’s transmission, clutch, etc.
The average ICE vehicle is, in fact, less than 20% efficient tank-to-tires, and that ignores the fuel used to refine and deliver the fuel you burn.
Globally, coal power plants are 33-40% efficient, and the centralized generation makes it much easier and more cost effective to *trap* the carbon & other pollutants at the source. Meanwhile, combined cycle, gas-fired power plants hit 56-60% efficiency, and are more common than coal in virtually every country in the world.
Even the *worst case* scenario for an EV vehicle in the US means that it pollutes as much per mile driven as a gasoline vehicle which gets more than 50MPG (a fuel efficiency level that is rare in US vehicle’s).
@@Vessekx or with other words: lets return to steam engines. they burn fuel that is completely renewable, use pressure instead of explosions (and therefore are less noisy) and can be build without a transmission. oh and before i forget: the electric car uses the noice and completely pollution free lithium and neodymium from china and helps poor children in africa to get food from the minig work for the copper and the baterys are completely fire proof and imune to almost eplode depending of the current charge levels when damage to them occurs. jupp the EV isnt as great as everyone says. the biggest two problems we should tackle is testing of engines (realistic enviroment simulations), the fuel efficiency of all cars (on paper the rpblem was solved by watt himself), the change of the grid (that is funnily partialy blocked by EVs) and some incentive for the manufacturer to kick such idiot magnets as the tesla x (the whole class named SUV must die out. also elon isnt as great as he proclaims. the loop is simply a subway for personal vehicles and the hyperloop is around the same age as the subway).
I am 26 years old and just paid off my used $7,000 dollar Nissan Leaf. I think electric vehicles are really affordable these days. No there are no tax incentives for used EVS, but buying used is really affordable. Great video!
I bought a used Leaf here in NZ. It has a low health battery, but it allows me to got to and from work everyday without problems. It was well worth the money I paid for it.
I wish I lived in the US, cars there are amazingly cheap, I'd be able to afford a Tesla if I lived there!
I just purchased a 7.5k Nissan leaf and I LOVE it! My family is looking forward to June as we'll be moving to a place that has a dedicated charger. Once that happens it's all happy days for this new EV owner.
Your smart man un like these telsa snobs look at how much you saved compared and you didn't hurt the environment by another one getting produced
@Nospam Spamisham It's still running far better than any car I've ever owned before. Super smooth ride, beautiful acceleration, incredible response. I can't say enough positive things about it. Also, no problems with maintenance, and it costs less to operate than my other car ever did. Even including the car-payment it's cheaper to operate the LEAF than my previous car.
@Nospam Spamisham I know a person who owns an old leaf with almost no battery degradation. However, he keeps it in the air conditioned garage. Probably that saved this leaf, because due to a lack of proper active battery cooling system, nissan batteries overheat and degrade fastly. Some of them have already 60% of battery capacity gone.
Great Video. But once again, when comparing the carbon emissions of ICE vs BEV, we tends to factor the producing of electricity into the numbers. You must factor in the cost a search, extraction, transport, refining, transport again and storage of gasoline. And include the environment cost of all those steps.
Where as Electricity, it depends on where you live. Here in Quebec, Canada, we have 80% hydro and 20% wind.. Cost a pollution 0..
That's part of the numbers I presented. That's the well to wheels emissions, which includes oil refinement and transport of gasoline to gas stations.
@@UndecidedMF did not know that. Thanks for the precision..
Here in Germany you can Sign contracts to get Green Energy only.
Undecided with Matt Ferrell Then there are those dirty oil tankers that burn bunker oil and have oil spills all too often.
And the production of the batteries, then when they die the issue of them going to landfill.
I recently purchased a Nissan Leaf (24kwhr battery) and the only problem I have is with charging. I don't have a dedicated charger at my home as we live in an apartment complex and I'm too far away from my parking space to run a cord.
However, the Nissan dealership (which is only 3 mi away) lets me charge for free. I've been charging there and going to the library nearby to read while waiting on the car to charge.
My family is moving in June (Hurray new higher-paying jobs!) and we're looking only for places that allow us to trickle charge. Once we have that, I'll have no complaints about my awesome little leaf.
Charging is the trickiest challenge right now for EVs.
I did that kind of things with our Zoe. There is a public charger 2km away from home and I could charge on my work sometimes. But on a single charge I could drive a few days without paying attention on the range.
I charge at home, at night from an ordinary 16A power outlet. Once you get used to it, you will never worry about it again. :)
Consider looking for apartment complexes that offer charing in their lots. Where I live, Kansas City, MO, there are various apartment complexes around the city that have charging in their parking lots. Downtown the city itself installed curbside EV L2 charging that is currently free for any EV user to use (as in you can charge for no cost). In addition, several downtown parking garages now have chargers. And as the poster mentioned in their video, many office parks have EV chargers. Where I work there are roughly 30 EV chargers sprinkled around the office park, including 6 right in front of my office building. I don't use them because I live in a house and have L2 charging in my garage, but if people have the flexibility of location there can be options for charging.
Well said! I'm bookmarking this video to show any/everyone who keeps asking "Why'd you buy an EV? Aren't you worried about [insert common myth here]?"
One thing to note, however, is that the used EV market is already pretty nice if you can work with a low-range car. The advent of the 2nd gen Leaf, Chevy Bolt, and Tesla Model 3 have really killed the resale values of the 1st gen Leaf, Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark EV, and all the other "compliance cars". I'm one of those "Average Americans" that drives less than 40 miles a day, so I decided to experiment and bought a '15 Spark EV. We kept my wife's Jeep for longer road trips or the instances where the Spark just didn't have the legs to get where we needed to go. We've had it 2 months now, and we've only been forced to use the Jeep twice - once to haul a 50" TV, and once to bring 5 people to a Christmas event. I'd say to anyone looking for a second car that's under $15k to use for a daily commute that's under 40 miles - get an early EV, you won't regret it!
Great suggestion!
Cory I couldn’t agree with you any more cus you are absolutely spot on. We bought a used LEAF as a second car for daily commute of 15 miles and it is awesome. No more gas or oil changes or CA smog checks required by the DMV.
You know I own the Bolt ev,and i been thinking about getting the New Smart Car Ev from Mercedez Benz that Tiny 2 seater,they stop producing the gas one it had a lot of problems with the power train,something to do with the transmission,anyway my only reason for it will be Parking you can park that anywhere,but definitely I would consider getting it Use.
@@magallon643 Used EV's are so undervalued. I wish I could find a stock that was so undervalued. My wife's 2014 Chevy Volt was $10,000, my 2014 Smart was $5000. No brainer.
Please don't be ashamed when people show you the calculations in return for pretty truth-bending video.
get a used EV for 5K and see it pay for its self in less then 3 years from gas saved alone . i did in 2.5 years
What did you buy?
@@slandshark probably a used nissan leaf, or maybe the older Rav4 EV. The model S probably wont sell for that little, and the model 3 is too new for it to be that low. Same goes for a few other EV models. The Nissan Leaf and the Rav4 EV are the only ones I can think of (though there could be more) that you could get for that price.
@@slandshark I've had a 2014 Ford Focus for 18 months. Bought it for less than $10k. Good little car.
doublec squared
That’s awesome:)
Great coverage of common EV questions. I drove/leased a Leaf for 3 years and loved it. I am looking forward to owning a Tesla.
Fantastic video! I get people making these same remarks all the time, and you hit the nail on the head with this one. I had fun last summer clarifying that long distance trips work, when I showed up for a wedding in Washington, in a Tesla with Arizona plates...
Another misleading idea is that EV owners are somehow at a disadvantage because there are fewer Superchargers compared to gasoline stations. This is highly misleading. If you own a gasoline car then ask yourself a simple question, if you could gas up at home how often would you need to go to a gasoline station. If you are capable of being objective, and are like the overwhelming majority of gasoline car owners, you'd have to admit that you'd almost never need to go to a gasoline station. I have an 80 mile round trip every day. If I could have fueled up my gasoline car at home I would never have needed a gasoline station. Most electric car owners charge at home and never need to go to a charging station. They're now beginning to install charging capability at apartment complexes. If the electric utilities have their way soon everyone, no matter where they live, will have access to charging.
I get annoyed at superchargers, the car is charged up enough to continue my trip before I'm all done eating. I wish they'd slow them down, it's too fast!
Ha! On the 800 mile round trip we just did for the holidays, we found it funny that our car went from around 12% to over 50% in the time it took my wife to walk into the mall next to the supercharger and grab some food. By the time we were done eating it was around 90%.
Ask yourself that if you are in the middle of Texas miles from any civilization let alone a fast charger. Most people won't encounter that scenario but plenty of people doing long road trips out west will
I planned to take my car that low though on the trip deliberately. There were other Superchargers I could have used earlier, but wanted to take it as low as I felt comfortable. When you plug in your destination the car tells you if you’ll need a supercharger or not, as well as an estimate for battery charge at your destination (even round trip estimate). You should never get caught off guard.
Yeah, but how many people in the USA could charge up at home, especially if they live in apartments? Yes, “some” apartments are “starting” to put in stations, but we’re a long way from ubiquity.
Well done. I don't think any informed person can make a valid argument against EV's other than maybe less convenient on REALLY long trips or possibly living in a rental where you can't charge at home. Other than that, once you drive an EV, you'll never want to drive another ICE vehicle. Once you've felt the torquey, smooth driving associated with EV's, ICE vehicles (and I mean ALL ICE vehicles) feel like "clunk boxes".
Agreed. There's also the great unknown around EVs. Once you live with one it clicks, but until you do it sounds dicey for convince or long trips.
@@UndecidedMF -- That "long-trip" issue was my complaint. I drive long trips, which I define as over 500 miles, one or two times a month. Musk has done a good job of addressing that issue in the US. There are not many routes that are not doable with the long-range Model 3.
What I like most about the Tesla is that it's not just a green-machine, it's honestly fun to drive.
If ill informed or never owned an EV maybe, but there's plenty of greenwash about EVs. Payload range is a huge problem for transport industry. Winter range affects even Model 3 when brand new let alone a few years down the line.
They ARE clunk boxes! Even my Prius feels clunky sometimes.
"I don't think any informed person can make a valid argument against EV's other than maybe less convenient on REALLY long trips or possibly living in a rental where you can't charge at home. " …. Beyond the half of people who don't own a garage to charge in, overall 70% of drivers make under $40k so can't afford to buy $40-60k car over $15k car when the only savings is $1000 in gasoline and better reliability is offset by garages charging more for even minor EV repair work -- so financially EVs are not a real option unless one ignores the math or lies about the math or vaguely says things may change in 5 years to avoid the issue.... I hope it changes which can happen, but also some tech fails like Concorde or Blackberry or Nuclear.... Just saying smart people are saying No to EVs for real reasons.
driving an electric vehicle is so much fun and relaxing. Never mind what people saying, I never ever like going back to internal combustion engine cars.
How is it relaxing?
The sound of an engine and the smell of oil is relaxing
@@scanjett he gets to sleep while it charges....
@@scanjett Perhaps because it´s so much smoother and easy compared to an ICE vehicle. :)
lol
Sitting in gridlock for an hour to drive 15 miles is not relaxing...ICE or EV.
6 months with my LR RWD Model 3. I feel like a kid every single day when I get behind the wheel.
I get a chuckle out of the "EVs pollute just as much..." argument. Whereas I charge my car exclusively from a solar array, I haven't seen any rooftop oil refineries that can do the same for ICE cars. But even if charged from a coal-burning plant, as you noted in the video, EVs are far more efficient so emissions are reduced compare to ICE. As coal dies a quick death, I wonder what else detractors will run to go make their point.
Well I guess they're going to try to predict that a group of people will hypothetically attempt to prevent some form of future technology
@@kevinloving3141 Referencing hydrogen? If so, from Wikipedia: "hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles (FCV) tend to be about a third as efficient as EVs when electrolysis is used, with hydrogen Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) being barely a sixth as efficient."
@@kevinloving3141 "If somebody comes and makes a better electric car than Tesla and it's so much better than ours that we can't sell our cars and we go bankrupt, I still think that's a good thing for the world"
- Elon Musk
Because of economics, coal will not die a "quick death" unless government steps in and dictates it. That's the sad truth. Change doesn't come easy.
Of course, the first step is to STOP SUBSIDIZING COAL ........
@@kevinloving3141 Oh. Geez. I suppose arriving at the correct conclusion for the wrong reasons is better than not arriving at all.
Excellentt video! God I've shared this with my EV skeptic friends, the ones who don't understand how this works since I got my model 3. I'm kinda addicted to Tesla related youtube videos, and EV videos at large since I got mine. This by far the best set of explanations for all those still on the fence. Thank you!
Thanks! That means a lot.
Much love, tesla ftw
3000KM TO A TANK OF GAS!!! When you put $60 of gas in a Honda Civic you go about 600km combined city/hwy. When I put $60 of electricity in my Chevy Bolt EV (Bolt, not Volt) I go 3000km average all seasons, but above 19degC temps I go 4000km!!!
This is Canada gas/electric rates but still not far off for US & EU.
Moto arzan I love this comment. We drive two Prius and this comment gives us more of a nudge.
Weird, $60 of petrol in my TDI would get me about 600 MILES combined. A modern GDI civic should be very similar. Hows that range when the temperature drops below -10 C?
Probably the most coherent, intelligent, thorough EV vs. ICE analysis I've seen.
Thank you George you took the words right out of my hands ..and kudos to the Channel 👍👍👍
Matt,
Excellent video! I have been volunteering at a many EV events since I got my Bolt EV Premier two years ago. I hear the very same myths from the public. Your video will help me dispel them.
I noticed one minor typo: At 5:53 you state, "EV's put out more carbon to produce then gas cars." It should read "than gas cars".
Keep up the good work!
The "Coal powers your Electric Car" argument is absolute nonsense. Just where does the electricity to refine your gasoline come from? Using gasoline doubles up on the problem by using hydrocarbons to process other hydrocarbons - Insanity itself. If you can't remove Coal, smart move it to drop the gasoline component.
Refinery use buy product of the cracking tower for heat.
It's not that it's a comparable pollutant cost, it's that most EV owners say they produce NO pollutants.
In addition to using hydrocarbons to refine crude, additional pollution is created to explore and extract crude, deliver gas and diesel to the gas stations, and then there’s those nasty oil tankers burning bunker oil and spilling crude on the coasts when they crash. All these fossil burners are only 30% efficient. They waste more energy than they put into driving the wheels.
Re: batteries being expensive to replace - consider that Tesla bought Maxwell Technologies for $218 million. They're into dry battery electrode storage. That has the potential to "increase battery energy density by 50% and eventually could nearly triple energy density from current levels. The technology can also lower the cost of batteries by 10 to 20% and double the life of batteries." So, in 8 years, you may not even be replacing your lithium battery with another lithium battery. But if you do, a lithium battery in 8 years will undoubtedly be a longer range battery
You're confusing Maxwell's dry electrode with a dry electrolyte. The latter is a solid state battery. The former isn't a solid state battery since it still uses a liquid electrolyte.
The Maxwell dry electrode technology is a major improvement in conventional Lithium ion batteries, however, since it greatly simplifies battery manufacturing and eliminates solvent use in creating the electrodes.
Solid state batteries will happen eventually, and Tesla will benefit from them greatly, but Maxwell's isn't a solid state battery.
Great video. Most comparisons look at tailpipe emissions versus the emissions of electricity production, but I've never seen an analysis of the oil supply chain. That would be more comparable, since we'd be looking at comparable vehicle "fuel sources" before a single mile is driven. When you consider what's necessary to construct drilling equipment, drill for crude, transport by ship around the world, energy used for refining facilities, refining the crude, transporting by rail and/or truck to gas stations, building/staffing/powering/maintaining gas stations, we can assume that the efficiency of ICE vehicles are considerably worse than the simple "tailpipe emissions" analysis we've seen. Plus, none of the analysis has taken into account the 2X per year coolant/oil changes and disposal required by ICE vehicles that EV's don't require. And no analysis I've seen takes into account the environmental issues or the ugly sprawl of having a gas station on every corner of every major intersection. In a nutshell, if we are going to look at the production of the "fuel" source of EV's, we need to also do so for ICE's.
Try looking at damage done building that battery. It is not pretty and makes a oil well look clean.
@@brianpatrick8787 Is false, getting oil out of the ground is more damaging to environment. Mining lithium is done in remote places, We all know what happens when an oil tanker goes down...
Bolt owner here. Thanks for doing such a nice clear job of dispelling the EV myths, complete with sources. One small correction: you give the Bolt's range as around 200 miles. It's significantly more than that. The EPA has it at 238, which - like most EPA mileage figures - is at the low end. Consumer Reports lists it at 250, after extensive testing. My own experience is around 260 miles dependably, at least at this time of year. 200 miles is the low-end figure during the darkest days of winter. Aside from that quibble, this is a great video. I'm putting together a web page on EV driving, and would like to link to this, or to your "Undecided" page that includes a transcript, if I might.
Thanks for clarifying that. And feel free to link to either!
@@UndecidedMF Thanks!
As a Chevy Volt owner I am familiar with all these points and counterpoints. Thank you for putting them out there in an intelligible, enjoyable format. One thing I would add is that the comparison of emissions between ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) cars and EVs should also include the qualifier of efficiency. The emissions of the ICE vehicle will vary by MPG just as the quantity of fossil-fuel generated electricity will depend on the WHr/mile of the EV.
do you get tired pressing the throttle?? like scalextric
What happened to the section on "fire hazard"? I just saw a posting that said China is mandating EV's to have a warning 5 minutes before the battery explodes so the occupants can escape the vehicle so I've been searching for info on the number of EV vs Petrol car fires. Your video ends right after "EV's are too expensive". Thanks for the great info.
You left out a huge savings and that is longevity. EVs replace 2-3 ICE vehicle due to longevity. That means humans will avoid building 2-3 additional cars per each EV built. Much like using a paper or cotton towel. Paper towels are cheaper but for most uses, people choose cotton towels because of longevity.
Stfu i had one car go to 150k engine worked transmission was fine sold it another had 178 k put a new transmission in engine was fine probably could have gone 178k more but someone hit it. You guys act like ev are so cheap less see how that works 9yr into you have one
@@juster2432 Just Google "Tesloop maintenance" for real life results when comparing EVs to ICE at 300K miles. EVs have 10X less cost and days in the shop from this taxi service.
@@hl2349 i looked it up already as@ they got very lucky they didn't get gone one with no issue but it isnt going to be like 100% of the time. Also dick your ignoring the high cost of damage from a wresk and insurance cost i seen where they beoken down cost where someone got one that had issues
it's so sad to see that there are so many people who think that electric cars are clean. They are not cleaner. They are polluting the earth as much as a gasoline car. Lithium ion mining itself is a polluting activity. Cutting down trees to make room to have large charging stations is polluting too. Imagine if everyone drives an electric car how much more Charing space we need. Millions of trees will have to be cut. We need an incredible amount of Charing space because electric cars takes forever to charge.
Electric cars are not the solution to climate change. Only narrow minded people think it is. The future is making renewable gasoline by recycling CO2. Liquid fuels are so easy to transport and fill up. With these we can keep the current system of fuel delivery and we don't need to cut down millions of trees to make space for charging electric cars.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that millions of trees of getting cut down for charging stations. That’s not happening.
And while you’re incorrect on electric cars polluting as much as gasoline cars, you are right that lithium and cobalt mining is causing harm. However, you have to look at where things are heading. There have been processes proven to be able to recycle lithium ion battery components to a new state, which means in time we’ll have viable recycling (less new mining). And the inventor of the lithium ion battery has invented a new battery chemistry that is able to use sodium in place of lithium. Yes, EVs aren’t 100% clean, but they’re better than anything we else we have available at scale today. And the future for EVs is going to be even cleaner as the energy storage continues to evolve. It may be lithium ion today, but it could be sodium in tomorrow, or supercapacitors that charge in seconds.
Well said, Matt. There is always resistance to new tech (for many different reasons) but as the new tech becomes more mainstream the initial FUD tends to evaporate.
Regarding re-fueling times, I’d also add that if you do have place to plug in at home, then once you get it all set up:
* It takes about 2 seconds to plug in at night, and 2 seconds to unplug the next morning, as opposed to 5ish minutes at a gas station,
* Most people road-trip pretty rarely, and
* For most people’s EV usage, you don’t have to plug in every night, although it’s so easy that you may as well.
In my particular case, with a 25-30-mile plug-in hybrid, I plug in 2-3 times per day, even though I don’t have to, since burning gas is like “eeeewww!”, but most pure EV drivers driving a modern EV will only have a to plug in a couple times per week.
Always wondering where those numbers regarding EV production being dirtier. I can’t see any smoke coming out of the gigafactory.
Sometimes I have seen the blame in the energy used to produced aluminum, others in producing the batteries.
If aluminum and battery production were 80% sourced from renewable , wouldn’t EVs become “cleaner” than ICE cars already when leaving the factory?
The EV pollution really stems from the battery. It has most to do with the mining and refining of the materials used, as well as the manufacturing process. When the closed loop recycling is set up, it will making it slightly cleaner to produce the batteries, but there are still CO2 emissions from the recycling process (time will tell on how much cleaner that is though). I don’t think it’ll make them cleaner than ICE car production though ... just a step closer.
Undecided with Matt Ferrell , Volvo is already doing effort to electrify mining operations and minimize emissions. That should improve the numbers, once it passes de PoC phase.
I have never seen refining process for all elements in the production of the battery packs but it is difficult to imaging that the process has that many direct emissions.
The field of study is known to educated people as 'physics.' You should try opening a book for once in your lives.
ForestNinjaZero , sorry which part of the discussion seems to you, to be beyond the laws of physics?
You probably didn’t notice this before but opening a book, doesn’t make anyone smarter.
Great video. Thank you! Now, just to play devil's advocate, here are some things I would argue:
#1-you are correct about nightly charging, but some of us (not all, and maybe very few) like to take long trips but don't stop for lunch . I, for example, drive about 350 miles round trip to a campground about 20 weekends a year (I leave about 3am and drive straight through with no traffic with maybe an occasional stop of 5 minutes or less to unload the coffee). Having an EV with a range of 400 miles may satisfy that, but that's a top-end EV. What if I can only afford one that get about 60 per charge? That means I have to find a charging station every 60 miles and spend at least 30 minutes per fill-up (making the trip last about 3 extra hours) or at the least an extra 30 minutes at 5 minutes a charge (providing there are stations and remembering that 5 minutes is only charging and not taking into account the pulling off, etc.).
#2-you are making an assumption here, and I have to invoke the law of Murphy. Yet here I think the most important part is, as you said, when the power is out, gas stations will also be down as their pump run off electricity. The only think I can say is that I can strap some 5 gallon gas cans to my car and have that for emergencies while there is no such option for an EV.
#3-from what I have read, 10 years is the average battery life on an EV. So for the average time a person owns a car, this may not be an issue. But still $12K every 10 years is something to consider.
#4-you are not wrong here, and as more renewable sources are used, it will get even better. I just want to add something here, which is the disposal of batteries and the environmental risks (recycling is not 100% efficient) and for the folks with solar panels, the same issue (end-of-life of the panels), not to mention the cost. We could probably talk at length about this, but as you said, it's not as bad as some make it out to be.
#5-This is related to #1. As I said, the "average person" may not be affected, but not all of us are average. And I am not speaking of daily commute, but rather weekend trips and the like, which I would have to think about limiting with an EV.
#6-you are correct when you say "this is changing quickly", but we are talking about the here and now. Also, could you define "quickly"? A day? A year? A decade? But let's just say this one's pretty much a wash.
#7-never heard this one, but I don't think this is an issue. Gas is flammable, so meh. Only thing I would ask is if an ICEV and an EV both catch fire, that are you putting in the air from each?
Like I said, great video. Thanks for posting. Though I would add that not everything is a "big oil is spreading lies" conspiracy. Oil companies are in no danger of going out of business if we all went electric. "Who killed the electric car" is propaganda. Like all propaganda, it's not un-true, but it's widely oversimplified and the facts are twisted. Oil is used in many things, jet fuel, plastic and many others which will keep the oil companies in business for many years to come. Even large oil-producing countries are already planning for the change.
in quebec canada 98% renewable (hydro electric)
Seattle too 😋
Same in British Columbia Canada
I hate to break the news to you, but hydro is extremely bad for the environment, for multiple reasons.
Dams are destroying both sea and land ecosystems. Ask a fisherman about the destruction and extinction of spawning fish species, and the ripple effect of their extinctions.
Ever wonder why cancer rates are sky-high? One major reason is that our produce lacks natural iodine.
Iodine gets into land foods when fish like cod and salmon swim upstream to spawn, then die. These fish are rich in iodine from eating smaller fish that ate sea kelp, a fantastic source of iodine. Iodine promotes normal cell life. Iodized salt cannot take the place of natural iodine. The salmon that dies upstream is eaten by an animal that passes the iodine to the soil in feces and urine. And it may often drag the dead fish inland to eat, where the remains are absorbed in the soil.
Periodically, flood plains flood and further disperse the iodine and other vital nutrients.
Solar and wind are not perfect, but they are the two best energy generation methods we have to date. We should be removing dams as fast as we can, before it is too late for the remaining spawning species.
Chris Eidam it’s not perfect but is 98% better than a coal or gas powered plant.
Igor Urbanek he’s not charging his electric car with oil. Electricity is made from hydro. Heating is another issue, but the point was about electricity for an electric car.
I wanted to buy an ev 4 years ago and my wife refused because of range anxiety. We compromised and I got a hybrid electric ford cmax energi. Over the 4 years I've used the gas engine less then 15% of the time and avg.135 mpg. I now have her convinced that the transition to all electric would have been better especially with us owning another vehicle. Bottom line is if you own 2 cars 1 should be an ev.
I really enjoyed your video, as you help me to better understand why some of the comments people make at work are incorrect, or were correct at one point but are no longer. I drive a Leaf as does my wife, so we are used to the changes in lifestyle due to it, but we have a Sienna for long trips. I like that I save about $200/month on gas costs since I charge up at work, so generally charged via solar panels.
Everyone needs to watch this.
I get asked all this stuff on a regular basis.
As others have pointed out, you don’t need a garage/special charger. My Model 3 charges just fine (12 miles of range/hr) after my 60-80 mile round trip commute on a NEMA 6-20 (THE slowest type of 220V circuit) plug in my driveway, the outlet I have for my living room air conditioner, in my 8ft wide uncovered driveway.
You can charge it 110, but that takes 3-4 x as long, and isn’t really viable in cold climates.
10:37 Not anymore! Tesla recently released the 35,000 dollar model 3. Also, all the other tesla cars cost half as much as their gasoline equivalent. For example, the model s p100d 0 to 60s in 2.4 seconds. Compare that similar acceleration and luxury to a top of the line Porche Panamera. 115,000 vs 250,000.
If somebody breaks the 1200km range barrier and the 80% charge in 1 hour time, that is going to accelerate the death of gas cars even faster than we think, no amount of subsidies, no amount of government promotions needed.
@@kimmathis1945 I am actually excited for dyson's car because of this
I like your conclusions, changes are happening everyday.
My 2011 Nissan Leaf is still going strong. Total maintenance cost over eight years has been under $500 (including a flat tire). So much cheaper than a gas power car.
Wow! Good to know and thanks for sharing your experience. 👍
Good thing Tesla bought Maxwell! Would be great if they can increase batteries storage with 20%, remove the need to cook off solvents and make them safer!
Completely agree. Really excited to see what Tesla does with Maxwell’s tech.
My only concern is range. If I plug in Thursday for full charge for Friday morning , I need 60km to work , 60 km home , with maybe 2 hrs charge to drive another 150km. A leaf with a range of 180 km...that's just not enough. My only other option would be a tesla, thats out of my budget. My only alternative would be to have a second petrol vehicle just for the weekend. So I may as well not bother with electric at all , at this stage. Until long range vehicles are affordable. Maybe in 5 years time. Australia is just not ready , as our charging network is limited.
I am glad to see someone did a real comparison between ICE and EV's.
Nice, how do you make all those cool graphics like 9:47? Do you use after effects or something?
Most of it was done directly in Final Cut Pro ... you can build out custom stuff in Motion (Apple’s version of After Effects).
@@UndecidedMF Thank you, very nice job. The video feels very professional.
Very well done! I love how you present the facts so directly and clearly. I've thought about some of these myths quite a bit and my conclusions are the same as your's. It's always interesting to talk to people who don't yet see the coming transition to ev's and have all these roadblocks to them in their mind.
Thanks, Josh!
EXCELLENT discussion! One suggestion that I give to folks who are sitting on the "should I get an EV" fence and worry about long trips is that for the one or two long trips they MAY take in a year, they can simply RENT a gasoline powered car for those rare occasions. If they take long trips EVERY MONTH or more that go beyond an EV's no stop range then perhaps an EV may not fit their needs for now. But I would refer them to your Boston - New York example to examine their true traveling habits. Thanks for the great video!
I knew this man had credibility when in the background I saw "bacon makes everything better"
Great video! Straight to the point and profesionally produced! Thanks. BTW, where do you get all your great clips and footage?
Most of those clips came from Videoblocks (great stock video website).
Good facts! Three phase electric motors are 80% energy 20% heat, Gas engines are 80% heat 20 % energy. If batteries get twice as efficient as they are we all will be driving electric in 20 years! YEA
Efficient or energy dense?
Are you sure about the 80% part? That's super efficient
@@charimuvilla8693 That's true
and how is 90% of the electricity produced !?! by burning fossil stuff !!!! and i need that 80% heat in the winter
@@charimuvilla8693 It's might be true for a brand new vehicle but their efficiency decreases with time. Also, when you fill a tank with petrol, about 99.9% of it ends up in the tank. Charging an EV battery is about 80% efficient, so the true efficiency of a brand new EV is maxed at about 64%. Furthermore, modern ICEs are far more efficient than 20%.
I don't have a garage, but my house has a driveway and I park within 6 feet of my house using my Tesla wall connector. I charge using 220 volts at 48Amps for a peak charge rate of 44Mph. No garage necessary.
Germany, when you look up used teslas, they only lose 7 % of its value in two years and 52.000 km. In comparison to a Porsche Panamera, which loses in two years and 26.000 km about 40 % of its value. A Tesla is a lot cheaper to own, especially when you think about the value lost per day. Porsche 84 € / Tesla 15 €.
That’s quite the difference. I’m curious though how the Model 3 will hold it’s value since it’s going to be in such great quantity.
@@UndecidedMF There's a recent report that used EVs prices are actually going up, albeit by only a small amount (1%) due to high demand. This means that used EV retain their value better than ICE car values - at least in the short term.
I haven’t seen that. If true, that’s fascinating ... and makes sense.
@@UndecidedMF Here's the link to the article from autonews.com
www.autonews.com/used-cars/used-ev-prices-are-finally-heating-little
@@UndecidedMF Here in the Netherlands there are Tesla's that have run 500.000+ kilometer and still sell for around 30.000 euro. Proof: www.autoscout24.nl/aanbod/tesla-model-s-s-85-elektrisch-wit-4b8c0e7c-e111-393d-e053-e350040a2766?cldtidx=1
You can not charge from home in NYC ConEdison is a monopoly here, after all the delivery charges, taxes and fees I'm paying $4.5 per KWH!
Good unbiased info as usual. This is a video I will refer people to because it’s packed and presented well. And I know I’m not the first to compliment you on production quality. Thank you for presenting just the facts and refraining from speaking ill of others. Excellent. Enjoy your new year!
Thanks! I tried to be as fact driven as possible on this (minus my soapbox at the end).
Great video. Wonderful job of handling all the negative rumors about EVs.
Also, great production values. Can you tell me what tools you use to created your videos? I really like the transitions used where you have a gray background and each Myth appearing.
Thanks! I edit all of my videos in Final Cut Pro X on a Mac, which is also where I made all of the transitions. You can do things like add simple boxes with opacity on top of a video clip to hold a title. If you’re a PC user, I’d recommend something like Adobe Premier or Davinci Resolve, which can do all of the same things. And on an iPad there are apps like Luma Fusion that can do many of the same things.
I will never ever own an EV! I love my engines! No hate towards EV owners, it’s just not my thing. I like loud, American V8’s and that’s just me. I don’t do it to be an annoyance to anyone, I just love engines!
Fun fact: My neighbor had a Tesla P100D, he had it for about a year and a half, it was fun, but he traded it in on a 2018 Race Red Corvette Z06 with a 7 speed manual! When I asked him why, he said he missed the American V8’s, and banging through gears.
So. You can stay with your EV’s, I’ll stay with my Mustang 5.0 with a manual transmission!
Christian Each to his own, it’s a free world- (well mostly ;-). I loved my V8’s too, used to rebuild and modify (ie: improve)them. Now- never again.
EV’s are sooooo much nicer to drive. I will never buy another ICE vehicle, although I will own my existing diesel SUV for likely many years, which is used pretty much only for towing, so doesn’t do many miles.
Everything else is electric, which is about 1,000 times more pleasurable to drive.
FutureSystem738 I rode in my neighbors car 2 times, and I drove it once. It’s a very different feeling, but I just can’t give up my V8’s, I love the sound of them, I love banging through gears and working on them, and modifying engines is expensive but i love it! Like you, I will never switch to EV, I’ll stay with my V8’s
Christian yeah I am saving up for a Challenger, will most likely get one in 2021. Not ready for EVs.
I really love leaving ICE muscle cars in my dust at traffic lights.
Matt, Great video as usual. I have one more month before I turn in my BMW for a Model 3! You mentioned the recycling of batteries, but is there any concern about running out of lithium?
Thanks! Rare earth metals will be harder to find long before we run out of lithium. batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/availability_of_lithium
And battery recycling techniques are coming that can recoup nearly 100% of a battery to make new ones. American Manganese has made amazing progress there.
We still have decades worth of Lithium reserves. And there are efforts around the world to replace Lithium with Salts and other metals.
Most people don't know that Lithium Ion batteries actually don't contain that much Lithium. Tesla Lithium Ion batteries for example are mostly Nickel, around 80%.
A really good video, Matt. Clear, concise, and addressing all the major bullet points.
Thanks for watching, John!
You have to wonder what kind of FUD went around during the transition from horses to the "horseless carriage". It was probably quite similar: range anxiety due to lack of infrastructure, the cost to fuel and maintain an automobile, fire and crash dangers, etc.
It is rare to listen very brillant comment whit CALM and serenity... Merci !!!
The voice in the sound bits in between sounds really familiar.
my EV is powered by hydropower, so my car has saved the environment. Thank God Niagara Falls
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how the power grid works.
I like your videos. You speak clearly and provide a wealth of information to the topic at hand. Clearing up myths with facts that new or yet to be EV owners, helps ease misconceptions and doubters. I applaud your work.
As an EV owner I can confirm, you are absolutely right. But! Haters will be haters. Gas heads will always find a reason to hate EVs. I went down that road so many times
Sad, but true.
For now, but production costs of EVs are dropping. Once the battery production hits $100 per kWh (they’re at $150 right now), the cost is in line with the cost of gas car production. And the production costs will still continue to drop after that. At a certain point EVs will be cheaper to produce than gas cars. The tax credit is only a stop gap needed during the ramp up phase.
@Nicholas ben And without the subsides for Big Oil there would be no reason to buy a gas or diesel powered car.
@@UndecidedMF There are many people who's income will prevent them from getting behind EVs even when the sticker price is lower than ICE. I doubt you'll see gas station owners, quick lube franchisees, transmission / muffler shop owners, etc., running out to buy a Tesla at any price. I'm sure many of them are perpetuating the myths you covered and have no intention of letting facts get in their way.
@Nicholas ben I see you're one of those who won't let facts get in their way. Gas cars have a slightly lower sticker price, but they're far more costly. They add national security costs, health costs, huge maintenance costs, fuel costs, and of course they add environmental costs.
would you say its a good idea to buy a telsa in the uk?
From what I’ve seen, yes, but I obviously don’t have first hand experience with it over there. Hopefully someone else can chime in. The Supercharger network is pretty good and getting better. The European version of the Model 3 will come with a CCS charge port, which means even more fast charging options beyond Tesla’s own.
Very good FACT...brillant ! Merci! good year !!! CHAPEAU!
Thanks!
I’ve just been trying to figure out if it takes a long time at a station. No one wants to be at spot for 35 minutes
Yea, 15 minutes should be the max.
You generally don't need to be at a station unless you are driving over 300 miles. And most people driving 300+ miles in a day would stop for a lunch for at least 20 minutes or so.
Thanks Matt good information to know
"They cost too much"
Lets do some math to see if I should get one
My trucks worth $15,000
Cost of gas for it $4800 a year $400 a month from $80 a tank * 4-5 fill ups a month
Oil change costs $200 a year 3-4 oil changes at around $50 a change
I won't even include other maintenance since that would vary a lot more.
So mid range tesla is $35,950, includes incentives and gas savings estimate.
$35,950 - $15,000 -$4800 - $200 = $15950
72 month loan and that $221 a month
36 month loan and thats $443 month
Probably also would want autopilot and thats an extra $5000
I'd be able to make a down payment but if I didn't itd be a $581 at 36 month or $290 at 72 month.
I realize loan payments don't include interest so add some money to each payment
So essentially if I got a tesla model 3 now I could be paying around $100-200 less a month than it just takes to fill my trucks gas tank right now.
Oh and F-150 will last about 150 K miles before needing major repairs. So in about 6-10 years for me.
Which 6 years would be no payments on 72 month loan anymore.
Model 3 would battery would still have 90% at 160,000 miles........and they think they can last 500,000 before needing the same scale of major fixes as my truck would at 150,000 miles.......
So tesla if you could make a model 3 price range truck asap I'd appreciate it. I may break down and get model y in a year but really need a truck
If you're driving a gas guzzling truck then yes, EV makes a huge difference. One thing you left out of your calculation is that you're saying you remove the cost of gas, but you didn't add back the cost of electricity. I switched to a Chevy Bolt EV. My daily work commute is 64 miles roundtrip. I had a VW GTI that got me 30mpg on the daily drive to work. I was spending roughly $1,500 a year in gas costs. Our electricity rate here is $0.14/kWh so for the same driving it will cost me around $800 in electricity. So my annual savings in fuel is only going to be about $700. Still a savings, but only people driving highly inefficient ICE vehicle are going to see any kind of gas savings that would be considered significant.
Lol yesterday i saw a gasoline car catching on fire in front of me and they say tesla drivers are driving a bomb
Another great video, Matt! You’re a real pro and I really appreciate your balances and honest approach. You obviously do a lot of research in preparing your videos. I’m a brand new Model 3 owner having just taken delivery on 12/28. I absolutely love it!
Thanks, Tom. I do spend a lot of time researching before writing my scripts on videos like this one. I want to learn for myself and make sure I’m providing as objective info as I can get in the videos. Glad you liked it! Awesome that you were able to squeeze in your M3 before the end of the year.
Nice. I got mine in July. I hope you love yours as much as I love mine.
As a fellow EV driver, I agree with all of your points, particularly charging and range -- just not an issue, and as you say it's *more convenient* than gas. I do not have a dedicated charging space for my car at night (apartment building has some planned for 2019) but even so, I have simply learned where there are good charging spots and it's absolutely not an issue. Last week I needed to jump in my car and drive 270 miles from Boston to downeast Maine in a hurry. I had about 50% charge when I left, and just routed to a fast charger that was on the way, and in the same place as I used to buy gas and get food. My destination was a regular house, where I plugged in using an extension cord to a regular 110v outdoor receptacle and got 60 or so miles a day when I wasn't using the car. My case would have been less convenient if I had a car with 150 miles of range or less, to be sure. The first six months of EV driving for me have just required me to learn new habits and patterns, and even in that short time, there are more options. Even in fairly remote parts of Maine, the infrastructure is there or quickly coming.
I think that’s the hardest part for anyone to wrap their head around ... you can’t apply the well engrained gas habits to an EV. It’s a different set of habits you’ll pick up over time. I get it though ... change can be scary, especially if you think that you’ll get stranded in the middle of nowhere.
@@kevinloving3141 I don't know anyone that carries around an extra gallon of gas in their ICE vehicles, but I guess your point is that it is your god given right to be ignorant of your fuel level. You're a fine example of American ingenuity and freedom!
Actually Kevin's statement is a good example of "ICE thinking versus EV thinking". I don't blame you for not wanting to gas up. It never seems to be convenient or high on my list of things to do. (And perhaps you just like petrol sloshing around in the cans and smelling up your vehicles.)
For EV owners the new paradigm is to top off each night. They get used to starting out full and driving the various trips that they regularly take. The routine battery usage becomes quite predictable and only risk running out of juice if they are unable to charge daily and they completely ignore the vehicle warnings.
If an EV driver was of your ICE mindset and felt they should be able to run out of fuel anytime they wanted, then they would probably opt to tote around a mobile charger and extension cord. Or perhaps carry gas cans and a small portable generator!
Personally, it seems much easier to spend the 6 seconds to plug in the vehicle each day.
@@kevinloving3141 Oh so... you mean if you really want to get away from civilization you need to be able to take your fuel with you. It wasn't clear to me your need to carry cans of gas. It reads that you didn't plan well and needed to have backup fuel in case you forgot to fill up in time.
I suppose that is true in some places. I probably wouldn't pick an EV truck to go way off the beaten track for days at a time. If I had to, then I would probably take some petrol and a portable generator. Or just rent a vehicle for the day. I probably wouldn't recommend an EV for someone who was remote and didn't have the electricity to charge a vehicle.
I assumed you were an ICE proponent because you cannot give up your gas cans. Admittedly I was mistaken now that you clarified your tendencies to find the few places that are far from electricity.
I will not comment on whether I'm a Christian or atheist (or other), as that is neither something you can PRESUME nor is it pertinent to the topic.
The NE is fine it's the mid west that's the problem, for example South Dakota only has FOUR super chargers in the ENTIRE state so you are fucked if you aren't anywhere near them
@@UndecidedMF I do have one concern about not-at-home EV charging stations. With EV vehicles being bought by the many thousands per month, there is a serious lack of actual charging stations in general. I hope the speed of charging and also the etiquette plugging into public chargers improves quickly.
Right now, you find a public charging station with 2 to 4'ish plugs, but then there are so few EV's it's not a huge issue. Imagine we have 10x the EV's driving around, those 2 to 4 plugs aren't nearly enough. And each plug requires a parking space, unlike a typical gas station that is more like an assembly line (drive in, gas up, move out, next car, etc). So maybe they increase the number of public plug-in areas, but where are these parking spaces going to come from?
It's a question that needs asking and also answering today, not tomorrow, or it may be too late. Also need to know who's paying for all these public charging stations?
Or...should we all be pushing really hard for solar/renewable energy creation at home instead? Personally that's my ultimate option, get solar at home and I won't need public charging except for maybe that 0.001% of the time.
On power outages: I think that a national average isn't that useful as areas prone to power outages will just have more of them. In our last outage, due to an ice storm, our power was out for three days but we were off the main road. Some were out for three weeks. About one-third of gasoline stations were selling gasoline - they used gas-powered generators to power the pumps. There were gas lines but you could get gasoline. We have grid capacity issues too and have power shortages in the winter and it's often rationing by price. The problem is natural gas pipeline capacity where electricity generation is lower priority than home heating.
everytime someone tells me your tesla is running on dirty electricity, I ask them, really? the same electricity YOU use at your home? they usually shut up after that.
Ha! Well, you can also add that the dirty electricity is still much cleaner than dirty gasoline.
Undecided with Matt Ferrell I just ask if they have solar panels like me if they feel the grid is so dirty.
Or the same 7kw of "dirty" electricity that was used to manufacture raw oil into 1gal of gas. We burn only 7kw...they burn 7kw+1gal oil.
I'd love to be green & switch from fossil fuels to electricity. But the problem is that I can't afford solar panels, nor electric vehicles.
Would anyone who supports us getting off of fossil fuels dependency be willing to finance my switch?
@@adamrspears1981 In Australia the payback time on solar panels is about 5 years (depending on where you live - a little longer in Tassie, shorter in Qld). But that is only for Australia with very expensive electricity and cheap solar panels. I appreciate that in the US with tariffs on Chinese imports and only state based support for panels that in some places it is nearly double the price and triple the payback time. So to any one in Adam's position you have to do the math and see what the payback time is and whether you can justify it, particularly if you have to borrow to put in panels - remember they are a long term investment (25 years) To install or to not install solar panels is discretionary spending and you can only do it if you can afford it. I can't afford an EV ATM - particularly in Australia where there is little choice and no govt incentives. So I'll stick with my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford that. The cost equation for EV's in the US is getting closer to break even provided you hold on to a vehicle for 5 years and you can even get decent deals on second hand EV's - but you still have to have the means to buy one. SO while we obviously caught the sarcasm Adam, I hope you do an analysis of your spending on electricity and see if it is a worthwhile investment.
Don’t forget it is very easy to buy a slightly used EV. I bought a Leaf for $6,100.
Rational analysis. I applaud you Sir.
Thanks!
Great video. Clear explanations and reasoning. As a fellow Model 3 owner in Boston, I thank you!
Matt you mention the economic decision of switching to an EV from an ICE vehicle at the end of your video. What you failed to include is that at some point, likely within the useful life of a new ICE vehicle purchased in 2019, the residual value of the car will be negatively impacted by societies’ acceptance and preference for EVs. This switch is coming, and when the popularity of EVs reach critical mass, ICE vehicles’ residual value will plummet. That will be a huge economic hit to someone buying a new car today. Ouch.
Interesting take and probably true.
Undecided with Matt Ferrell the drastic drop in residual value won’t likely apply to some specialty and classic ICE cars, but a person buying a typical everyday driver is going to get burned at some point.
Agree on France. Instead of using a stick and being punitive with their policies, they should have been using a carrot with discounts to encourage the alternative to naturally pull people in another direction.
But I don’t agree on the charging infrastructure. Many new charger technologies are backwards compatible, and the industry won’t want to leave people out in the cold like that ... it benefits no one. Tesla has been updating their Superchargers in Europe with the new standard plug.
Bill Cichoke, I agree. The only thing that will cause ICE resale to plummet any time soon would be regulation banning them. As it is, I can buy the cheapest ICE sold, insure it cheap, fuel it cheap, and throw it away after 5 years and still pay less than buying a new EV and selling it 5 years later.
Before, EV owners were able to get someone else to pay $7500 go their depreciation, so it took some of the bite out, but as that free money goes away, the cost of buying high tech depreciating assets will increase. I have a whole drawer full of $1000 smart phones that are worthless today, and I can’t easily find the battery for my HTC universal, which was about $1000 and can’t do a fraction as much as my $40 China android can do.
The cellphone analogy is actually both good and bad. Owners keep their cars an average of 7 years. Cellphone is 2 years, so not apples to apples there. But it is a good example for how the EV market is playing out now. The first cellphones were huge and extraordinarily expensive, but got smaller and better over time. The first smartphones were also very expensive, but over time got cheaper and cheaper to produce until you can buy a $40 Android phone. Looking at EVs at this moment as if they’re frozen in time is a flawed hypothesis. In 5 years there are going to be a lot of affordable options. And there’s going to be a time where EVs are cheaper to product than gas cars, so again ... a no brainer for someone looking to buy a good cheap car. Gas engines in time will be more expensive than EVs.
Great episode, you nailed just about any misconception!
Thank you for this refreshing video and your work
Great video Matt. In Australia you can contract your electricity to a green alternative energy supplier and if that is true in the USA then someone could choose to buy their power from a green source and overcome any concerns about where their state generates. Electrons are just electrons and it’s all about the contract for supply isn’t it? Maybe Tesla should offer a green energy source contract option?
There are a bunch of states in the U.S. that offer the ability to choose where your electricity comes from. That's an option in Massachusetts where I live, which is a nice option. It would be interesting if Tesla got into that game now that they're supplying grid scale battery storage options. It would be a way to reach customers that aren't able to install solar on their own homes.
Bacon does make everything better. The grease from it makes excellent bio-fuel. LOL!
Tornado hit a large city. Lost power for 10 days. (true story. Chattanooga spring 2020). I used my traditional ICE car through an inverter to keep cell, laptop, and kitchen appliances running. I even let my neighbor use my truck to travel to the store in next town... Thank god I didn't have an EV during this time.
This video convinced me to buy more TSLA stocks, thanks.
it doesn't really take longer to supercharge than get gas. Around where I live, buying gas with a credit card is way more expensive than paying with cash. So you to a cheap station and because it's a cheap station there's always a line. Often long. Once at the pump you have to go to another line to pay. Then you get to pump and go. Or now that you have waited to get to the pump, to pay, and are ready to leave, you get to be in another line to use the restroom. The cheapest stations here are at Costco, and that can be a 20-30 minute wait. But at least there you would use your credit card.
Exactly. Many people complaining about how long it takes to charge a Tesla, are the same people that spend 20 minutes to drive across town, to sit in line at Costco for 30 minutes to buy cheap gas.
Last time we had a hurricane heading our way, there were 3 hour lines for gas at Costco, and the local police had to direct traffic.
In the meantime, it still took me 5 seconds to plug in my car at home.
Thanks for this video. i am appalled at how littrle many of friends know about Ev's, and it is exhausting trying to raise their awareness...videos like this help though.
The trick to supercharging fast is to only charge up to 50%. I went from 20% to 50% in 5 minutes. The car charges slower the higher % the charge is... so just don't charge it that high unless you are at home.
So 3 stops for 5 minutes (basically a bathroom break) is equal charge to one full charge stop for 50 minutes (and that only takes you to 90% battery).
Great summary. Let me add to the transition anxiety, because that's what it is. Anxiety over change. There's always that. Anyway, it would help if your President was pro-EVs and renewable energy, because it makes so much environmental sense to make the change. Those coal workers he said he'd get back to work could be doing a much better job making solar cell panels, for example.
And the bottom dollar is, making the change makes economic sense too. There's growing money to be made. Not decreasing, as in those ever more obsolescent industries.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Unfortunately our lying president doesn't seem to care either way and many of his supporters believe in a flat Earth, sadly it will take time...
@@Joe44944 Sadly, you are right. I wish you weren't. I bet you do too. He has no long term vision at all. Even less than the average politician. All he cares about is power for himself and the USA business that he runs. Unfortunately, he'll find out to his cost and the USA's that countries can't be run as businesses. For the world's sake, don't re-elect him.
;@@ramblerandy2397 Looks like Hillary was and is Right Smart. She just couldn't educate the whole populace with few words. What we have seen is that idiocy, lying and insults help the populace decide on the wrong things.
@@eugenefowler5801 Well, the USA isn't alone on that. I live in the UK. Enough said.
I think one thing that is significantly overlooked is the overall experience of driving an ev. The instant torque and quietness with an ev is simply game changing. An EV is simply more fun and comfortable to drive. Once you go ev, you would not want to go back to ICE.
Agreed! After about a year of driving EVs, I had to drive a rental ICE minivan for a week. It was interesting to me just how different the driving styles are!
Preach brother! Another point of contrast (not really a myth, so I get why you didn't talk about this) is performance. Gear heads tend to think an EV can never outperform a serious ICE muscle car, which is just not the case. My favourite RUclips videos on this topic are the ones showing a Model X outracing a whole bunch of different cars (McLaren, Audi, etc.) while towing one of those 'performance' ICE cars. Lol. Great video.
That video sounds epic ... I’ve got to see it.
@@UndecidedMF check this out: www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/886776/Tesla-Model-X-drag-race-supercar-towing-trailer
I think Tesla has squarely resolved the "golf cart" performance issue, and those races on RUclips are a blast -- the guy who does Tesla Racing Channel is a total gearhead, and he's just making money picking off people who dismiss EVs :-)
Thanks! I found it (ruclips.net/video/ib-02b2ooLY/видео.html) ... great video.
The only car that has ever beaten my Model 3 at a traffic light was a Model S. No joke.
Best analysis of EV's I have seen on RUclips so far. I have been driving a Model S since November 2017 and I can rubber stamp everything you have said.
Great entertaining factual video! My next car will be a EV!
Iceland?
Hi Matt:
I'm a recent (2 months) owner of a 2019 VW eGolf driving in a location with moderate weather (British Columbia, Canada) and an abundance of hydro-electric generated power; my experience to date is better than I was imagining.
It was such a pleasure watching your video. You nailed it with your closing thoughts. Well done!
Happy New Year!
Thanks! Happy new year to you too.
For EVs! Amen.
This has probably already been said in the comments and you didn't mention it in your video but 'cold weather' is still an issue for all EV's. Range can be severely affected depending on how much the car sits in the cold before warming up on a decently long drive. For short-drives in cold weather, as much as half of the range can be sapped because of temperature. Some of it may be recoverable but having to be concerned about this is more than an annoyance in my opinion. This is something no petroleum operated vehicle has to deal with, even diesels which has slightly different issues under extreme cold conditions. I think this is an important consideration before going full on electric if you live in the Northeast US, Canada or anywhere where extreme cold can be a problem. Just a thought. Great video!
Thank you for doing this video!
Thanks for watching! 🙏
I have a gas powered vehicle now, but a VW ID Buzz is definitely in my future. Saving for the down payment as of now.
All those lies are been spewed by “some” companies to try to hinder EV proliferation. Thank you for taking the time and effort to spread mere accurate and sensible information about EV. Cannot wait until I am finally able to get an EV.
I live in California where EV's are particularly welcomed and encouraged, however occasionally even here I or other EV driving friends and family run into some fellow citizen who stops us getting out of our car to lambaste us on the evils of driving an EV. I also drive a Leaf, which has been a huge money and time saver, and its great fun to drive. Charging time and money saving benefits aside, the car is simply superior technology. It has very noticeably better acceleration, takes hills better, is quieter and is at least if not more comfortable than any mid-range priced gas car I’ve owned over the years, and the Leaf isn’t even in the top tier of mid-priced EV’s these days. I will probably be leasing a Kona or Telsa next because of the 250 mile per charge range. But even with a 100-mile range, charging my car has been a non-issue as you described in your video. I do realize that it will be a sea change for the auto manufacturing and auto-supply chain industries. For example, if you’ve spent your entire career on learning to be a gas car auto-mechanic or are in the trade of supplying ICE parts, employment opportunities will drastically shrink upon conversion to an EV world. However, this is the way technology as always advanced. Otherwise we’d all still be traveling in horse and buggies. It also a proven fact that if we don’t steer away from fossil fuels as an energy source soon we are facing a very dire future in terms of climate on this planet. That debate is settled, regardless of what Fox News and the fossil fuel industry tries claim otherwise.But, come on, why should we stay with old, outdated inferior technology when we have beautiful, technologically advanced options?