Solid State Batteries are Closer Than You Think

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  • Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
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  • @UndecidedMF
    @UndecidedMF  Месяц назад +61

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    • @ashman2023
      @ashman2023 Месяц назад +23

      So the title is just clickbait?

    • @space6370
      @space6370 Месяц назад +2

      When we will see it

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад +9

      @@ashman2023LOL are you new here? All his videos are click bait. Channels like his, just post click bait titles, so that they can shill their sponsors. It’s fun info. But that’s all it is.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад +1

      @@space6370how would he know?

    • @reyalPRON
      @reyalPRON Месяц назад +1

      this is an "in an optimal scenario" situation imo. we are still waiting for the fancy solarcells that are rollable from cambridge uni that was "scalable for production now" 6 years ago.
      where is my tesla roadster and the ev semi? this is vaporware

  • @ashman2023
    @ashman2023 Месяц назад +1734

    Title: Solids state batteries are here
    Video: Solid state batteries are 5 years away.

    • @2LittleZombie
      @2LittleZombie Месяц назад +85

      he said they will be in most EVs in 2028. So to say they are here was a little clickbait, but it´s not 5 years anymore

    • @BaukePosthuma
      @BaukePosthuma Месяц назад +215

      I hate how RUclips’s algorithm is making reputable creators use clickbait titles these days.

    • @user-wy1br4le3i
      @user-wy1br4le3i Месяц назад +89

      Yep. Unsubscribed.

    • @KWParrish
      @KWParrish Месяц назад +46

      Almost anyone that follows battery tech knows it hits small electronics first. We will see them in cell phones and laptops in the next year or so. But it was funny "2028 " dammit! lol

    • @2LittleZombie
      @2LittleZombie Месяц назад +45

      @BaukePosthuma technically, the title is not wrong. There are solid state batteries in testing, so they are "here"

  • @snappycattimesten
    @snappycattimesten Месяц назад +1068

    I will charge my solid state battery car, using electricity generated by fusion power plants. Just 10 years away.

    • @mohmmedtolba
      @mohmmedtolba Месяц назад +8

      That's his info ✅

    • @bgg-jp5ei
      @bgg-jp5ei Месяц назад +50

      They have been for 50 years!

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad Месяц назад +23

      Fusion is more like 3-5 years away at this point. not to say it'll be here in 3-5 years, but expected timelines have dropped to there. At this rate, above-breakeven fusion demo plants will exist before you can buy a solid-state battery.

    • @TeodorSpiridon
      @TeodorSpiridon Месяц назад +32

      @@bgg-jp5ei You are right, but also, science doesn't operate on anyone's schedule. You have to try a bunch of stuff to figure out what does and what doesn't work. All these estimates are just that, estimates.
      The exciting part for me is that they have samples that work. Figuring out the engineering challenge of scaling up is always easier than figuring out the science.
      I'll leave you with an example. People were trying to figure out flight for hundreds of years. Then from 1914 to 1960 we went from flying a few hundred feet to flying supersonic and across oceans.
      Once you figure out that one key piece of science that makes it all click, it becomes an engineering exercise and progress speeds up. That's what I am hoping for with solid state batteries.

    • @isaacmoon6739
      @isaacmoon6739 Месяц назад +18

      Just take the shortcut and make a fusion powered car

  • @quackmoor
    @quackmoor Месяц назад +387

    Didn't i watch this video 5 years ago?

    • @warrenarnold
      @warrenarnold 26 дней назад +24

      At this point he is just recycling the shocking videos😅 but don't worry, nuclear fusion is just 10 years away.... Always 😅

    • @alaskacanoe6837
      @alaskacanoe6837 24 дня назад +4

      I still have stock in these
      Losses are historic …. Would be cool to see them succeed…

    • @nosondre
      @nosondre 7 дней назад

      🤔😂🤣🥹😢

    • @nosondre
      @nosondre 7 дней назад

      🤔🤣😂😅🥹😢 my history with QS

  • @prathamrawal5757
    @prathamrawal5757 Месяц назад +218

    So it i understand it correctly, the commercialization date is 2028 , so SSBs are not 5 years away now , they are 4 years away

    • @robinhood4640
      @robinhood4640 Месяц назад +28

      They will be 4 years away for another 10 years, and then they will be only 3 years away.

    • @ADreamPainter
      @ADreamPainter Месяц назад +32

      The commercialization date is next year. 2028 was referring to it being in most EVs. Considering that it will take time for mass adoption, next year would be the right time to start in order to hit that margin.

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Месяц назад +4

      Meanwhile LiFePO *_is_* actually here.
      All credit to the 3 wise men who created Li-Ion and changed the world the last few decades, but the new Iron flavor will be the staple going into all our doohickies for the next decade

    • @Outlaw_Traffic_Stops
      @Outlaw_Traffic_Stops 29 дней назад +7

      If a little moisture can destroy the things, count me out.

    • @impolitevegan3179
      @impolitevegan3179 29 дней назад +1

      The 2028 prediction was made in 2023, so maybe this year they predict 2029.

  • @OlivierSuire
    @OlivierSuire Месяц назад +557

    Title : "Solid State Batteries are Finally Here"
    Conclusion : "They need just a little bit mode time".

    • @onilord1830
      @onilord1830 Месяц назад +21

      Like all scinetific advancement. *just 5 years away*

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut Месяц назад +11

      @@onilord1830 Aww, poor nuclear fusion, moved into the forgotten realm apparently. 😏

    • @sanderfondenes8205
      @sanderfondenes8205 Месяц назад +7

      They are for available, where I live as 12V and 48v battery but they are like 1500$ for a 1,2kWh

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 Месяц назад +5

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

    • @cranberryeater7459
      @cranberryeater7459 Месяц назад +10

      ⁠in 50 years:
      Solid state battery is around the corner.

  • @ceric64
    @ceric64 Месяц назад +55

    BTW, when Chinese companies claim *SSB*, they meant semi-solid-state battery. Not the same.

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 Месяц назад +5

      No but the nio et7 welion semi solid state cells do exist and it is available right now in China! Proven to go 620+real world miles.
      That pack has 150kwhs out of the same size case as the catl 100kwh nmc pack and weighs just 44# more in total. 👍🏻😎

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад +2

      @@4literv6 I mean sure. CATL also has a semi solid state battery that is 500Wh/kg. They just call it "condensed battery" and target mostly plane manafucturers, presumably because it's too expensive for cars. Those are neat, but they aren't the real deal.

    • @_Circus_Clapped_
      @_Circus_Clapped_ 19 дней назад +1

      @@4literv6
      uhhh how long to recharge?

    • @Sidicas
      @Sidicas 11 дней назад

      Of course, just like how their Salt batteries still have lithium in them. Unlike the salt batteries made in the USA being shipped to data centers as LFP replacements that dont have any lithium in them at all. Also, LFP crashing in price now faster than the dude that intentionally crashed his airplane on social media for clicks and views. The American made salt batteries changing the entire battery market. Just picked up 280ah 12v LFP slashed down to $450. Cheaper AND better than lead acid. Lead acid days as standby batteries in UPS units are officially over! Getting those salt batteries though is apparently going to require preorders over a year out and you dont even need to buy them to feel that impact.

  • @zumuvtuber
    @zumuvtuber Месяц назад +384

    Solid state batteries have been "almost here", "just a few years away", "arriving to market soon" for the past 15 years at least. I'll believe it when I see it.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t Месяц назад +20

      They been on the market for a year now in different products.

    • @HelloNotMe9999
      @HelloNotMe9999 Месяц назад +5

      “Soon” is what Christ told his disciples. That was two thousand years ago.

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut Месяц назад +3

      You missed the "TM" on "soon", expect a lawsuit from Elon Musk who took over that trademark for every announcement he makes.

    • @CharveL88
      @CharveL88 Месяц назад +4

      @@adr2t The actual point is that who cares if some new tech is in an overpriced, bespoke product, but when that tech is actually viable for use in products that are competitive and better than existing solutions.
      So for all practical purposes...No. Over-priced niche products aren't really what everyone means when saying "arriving to market".

    • @CharveL88
      @CharveL88 Месяц назад +5

      @@ChrispyNut Found the "ELON=B4D" bot!

  • @denispatrick4046
    @denispatrick4046 Месяц назад +51

    I have a solid state battery from Yoshino. I run the AC on my boat when away from the dock. Works great.

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 Месяц назад +8

      I was doing some stat comparisons to offerings from eco-flow. I noticed the smaller products being pretty close (and in the case of River 2 Pro vs B660 the River wins) but the bigger versions... man, Yoshino is blowing them out of the water. Delta Pro at 3.6kw compared to the Yoshino 4kw? Yoshino is half the weight for only a few hundred dollars more.
      How's the build quality and which one did you get?

    • @snowpaw360
      @snowpaw360 29 дней назад +5

      @@KMCA779 Not to mention if the cycle life is true, that alone would be worth it even if it costed a bit more. They claim 4000 cycles keeping 80%+ capacity. Give me that and a starlink terminal and I'm good lol.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад +2

      I highly doubt that's actually a solid state battery. Anything on the market right now is semi solid state at best.

  • @andrewjmarx
    @andrewjmarx Месяц назад +81

    I'm surprised gravimetric density wasn't discussed/compared; I've always thought it was more interesting than volumetric density. The main things is that higher gravimetric density equals less mass for the same amount of energy, resulting in better efficiency and range for a given energy capacity, or being able to use even smaller battery packs for the same range as different type of battery pack. It also means safer accident collision conditions, and hopefully lower costs/impacts from extracting, transporting, and processing of raw resources. Volumetric density can sort of indicate those things, but to a lesser degree I think.

    • @1diggers1
      @1diggers1 Месяц назад +18

      Matt showed a chart for the silicon batteries that had the info. The EV battery was 390 Wh/kg their other batteries were even higher 440/kg and 560/kg (wow!) It's at 7min 20 sec mark.

    • @barry28907
      @barry28907 Месяц назад +4

      ... and tire life

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 Месяц назад

      Gravi-who?

    • @yeroca
      @yeroca Месяц назад +3

      On the flipside, volume is really important for EVs. Consider a battery with the same mass per watt, but made of something as dense as styrafoam. Huge and impractical. Perhaps you could have a combination metric, Wh/(mass * volume). I suspect you lose too much information this way.

    • @dirkohlhausen7671
      @dirkohlhausen7671 Месяц назад +4

      Volume is much more important than weight. Volume is in Cars Smartphones, Gadgets very restricted. Airplanes and flying things are the only type of vehicles that need light batteries.

  • @relax1706
    @relax1706 Месяц назад +198

    Title: Why Solid State Batteries are Finally Here
    Video: Solid state batteries are coming by 2028.

    • @robinvanlier
      @robinvanlier Месяц назад +15

      2028: Solid state batteries are coming by 2032

    • @chrisprobert6
      @chrisprobert6 Месяц назад +2

      This is deja vu to the 80's. Automotively speaking, solid state charge regulators came about . Which were just a standard bridge in a circuit board, covered and filled with resin.😅

    • @Quickshot0
      @Quickshot0 Месяц назад +4

      Arguably by 2028 they're supposed to be available in a large volume production item like cars. Implying that lower volume production will be between then and now. So maybe one will see them in some applications already in 2026 or so.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage Месяц назад +10

      He said they are going on sale as early as this year. 2028 is the year the CEO expects large amounts of EVs produced to use solid state batteries. Huge difference.

    • @Quickshot0
      @Quickshot0 Месяц назад +4

      @@802Garage True enough for one of the companies, though wasn't the other saying something like their factory was starting to come online in 2024, so one would hope that in a year or two those products would start showing up in some areas then.

  • @kevinrusch3627
    @kevinrusch3627 Месяц назад +21

    So we're down to 4 years?

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 Месяц назад +8

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

  • @trueriver1950
    @trueriver1950 Месяц назад +30

    Someone needs to start a sweepstake: which will arrive first: fusion power at grid scale, or solid state batteries in production at auto scale.

    • @davidmccarthy6061
      @davidmccarthy6061 Месяц назад +11

      I'm still waiting for my airless tires!

    • @Nope-w3c
      @Nope-w3c Месяц назад +17

      easily solid state batteries. The tech is there, only the economics aren't. With fusion nor the theory, nor the tech, nor the economy is there.

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Месяц назад +3

      Honestly, they just need to adopt hot-swappable standarized sizes instead of building the vehicles on top of fixed power packs. Then 'fill up' time stops being the issue, and maintenance of everyday Size A (Automotive) cells gets passed off to the industry and not the individual, like Propane BBQ cylinder swaps, and Truck Stops suddenly think jumbo EV pack swaps are the greatest thing since Burritos

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 Месяц назад +1

      @@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing wear n tear prohibits that. Although solid state cells using less cooling overall&weighing less per pack?
      Might mean that swapping thing should be reconsidered again. Have you seen the Chinese videos of ev battery swaps dropping out on the hwy?

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Месяц назад +1

      @@4literv6 You're gonna need more than youtube video anecdotes and supposition to back that up.

  • @kittimcconnell2633
    @kittimcconnell2633 Месяц назад +31

    I own and drive a second hand 2015 LEAF and slow charge it at home. So, for an 8 year old EVE its battery is in good shape. I hope the solid state is ready to use by the time I purchase my next car.
    My husband drives a 2004 Honda CR-V. We like to keep cars running as long as possible.

    • @benjaminnead8557
      @benjaminnead8557 Месяц назад +2

      I'm now on the 9th year on my 12 year old Mitsubishi i-MiEV. I was able to get a free warranty pack replacement in 2020, so I have capacity similar to when the car was new. I also trickle charge at home. The next EV (there won't be any more ICE cars here) will almost certainly have a larger pack, be less prone to heat degradation and have V2X capability.

    • @ronaldglider
      @ronaldglider 27 дней назад

      I have a 20 year old XC90 (diesel) - hope it runs until I can get a SS EV

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd 2 дня назад

      There are no production plants for solid state batteries anywhere

  • @ubacow7109
    @ubacow7109 Месяц назад +10

    Some solid state batteries for consumers are already on the market under Yoshino power, you can buy them to power your electronics or home

  • @ssilversgs
    @ssilversgs Месяц назад +12

    Just another 5-10 years....

  • @xicofaria
    @xicofaria Месяц назад +6

    There's a newly built factory in Taiwan and a second one starting coonstruction now in France, for Prologium SSB batteries. Its a real product, samples are with clients as of a few months ago.

  • @kishidabu
    @kishidabu Месяц назад +3

    One of the reasons I subscribe to your channel is that all of the innovations out there are really fascinating and so thank you for keeping us informed. It would be a good episode though to look back of previous episodes to discover which ideas have made it to maturity and viability. Keep up the good work Matt!

  • @greengamerguy623
    @greengamerguy623 Месяц назад +17

    always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

  • @michaelhuss0
    @michaelhuss0 Месяц назад +26

    Impossibly thin electronics are not necessary. On the other hand, fitting more battery power into devices of the current thickness/mass... *that's* a worthy pursuit. Bring it on.

    • @daviga1
      @daviga1 29 дней назад +7

      Amen to that. I'd rather carry around an 80s brickphone sized device if it devoted the space to retaining capabilities, improving durability, and a massive battery life. I don't need a phone I can shave with, I need a phone I can do things with.

    • @pablieto-veganson
      @pablieto-veganson 6 дней назад

      i need the steam deck 2 to have this tech.

  • @logandaniels5
    @logandaniels5 Месяц назад +7

    QuantumScape is much closer than 5 years away. Volkswagen has stated several times that they will be putting QuantumScape batteries in their cars this year.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад +2

      Quantumscape has a semi solid state battery. They aren't actually solid state. That's just marketing.

    • @logandaniels5
      @logandaniels5 27 дней назад

      @@4203105 Well actually that’s misleading and arguably completely false all together. They make a battery with a solid separator, which is the most important component.

  • @brianmahoney4156
    @brianmahoney4156 Месяц назад +122

    “on schedule for commercialization” yeah… sure

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 Месяц назад +12

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 Месяц назад +2

      Relax. All that means is they’re set to make some commercials about it.

  • @bennetm9498
    @bennetm9498 Месяц назад +3

    There is already (semi-)solid state battery EV on sale in China. I read an article that states full solid-state battery won't be much better than this even if it comes out eventually.

  • @oefzdegoeggl
    @oefzdegoeggl Месяц назад +26

    😄 So when will we have Sodium-Sulfur-Solid-State-Supercaps?

    • @guydreamr
      @guydreamr Месяц назад +1

      Right behind that backyard nuclear fusion station.

    • @eaglesclaws8
      @eaglesclaws8 29 дней назад

      When you make it for yourself

  • @jamesstarks3676
    @jamesstarks3676 Месяц назад +26

    It is going to probably be so very expensive until they can get up to scale. Also are there any plans to retro fit existing EV's that should be nearing their end of life cycles like my 2013 Tesla model S?

    • @Illuminati_HD
      @Illuminati_HD Месяц назад +6

      Considering even a 50% capacity boost id gladly buy it for double the price

    • @yensteel
      @yensteel Месяц назад +6

      Tesla should offer an option to retrofit it. And if they don't, then media should criticize them for that.

    • @TomIvens
      @TomIvens Месяц назад +12

      @@yensteel They can't really plan a retrofit of a product that isn't their own and doesn't actually exist yet.
      Surely it is up to the battery manufacturers to make that work with Tesla. Takes 2 to tango in this case

    • @W_D_Richards
      @W_D_Richards Месяц назад +8

      Unfortunately, it isn't as simple as sliding the old batteries out and sliding the new ones in. Each EV has an energy management unit that controls the flow of electricity to and from the battery packs. If you change out the batteries, you need to change out this EMS, too. You also then have to change the car's software to properly interact with the new EMS. Without doing this, the software may be making requests of the EMS that may cause greater problems because the flow of energy is incorrect.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад +2

      @@yensteel lol the media? Really? Why should Tesla do ANYTHING with 10 year old cars? That’s on you for buying something that we ALL a knew would be crap in 10 years. Companies shouldn’t be responsible for shit, 10 years after they made something. And if people actually cared, the customers, with the money, would tell Tesla themselves . But hey, at least you didn’t say the government should make them

  • @dylanlasky2389
    @dylanlasky2389 22 дня назад +3

    I don't know why this video is so controversial. This tech is much further along since the last time I saw his video on solid state batteries, I like the updates, and it has come a lot further than I thought it would have. Commercialization is a huge step.

  • @artzoneproductions3474
    @artzoneproductions3474 6 дней назад +1

    *NOT ONLY THAT, the charging station available wouldn't be able to charge solid state battery, now we need to wait much longer to add these new charging stations.*

  • @SaltyBagfries
    @SaltyBagfries 28 дней назад +5

    Batteries have been the weakest component of electronics for a while. Having this tech catch up will be a massive efficiency gain across the board for anything that needs batteries.

  • @cherubin7th
    @cherubin7th Месяц назад +30

    US companies are always promising way too optimistic. So it is still 5 years away.

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 Месяц назад +2

      You gotta convince the investors

    • @phillyphil1513
      @phillyphil1513 28 дней назад

      re: "US companies are always promising way too optimistic." translation: US companies are always "running scams" on the naive AF and the gullible AF.

    • @davidd2661
      @davidd2661 25 дней назад

      it all sounds too familiar... oh no, the Soviet Union's 5-year plans!

  • @HoroRH
    @HoroRH Месяц назад +15

    Thx, but please include the battery capacity reduction at low temperatures, from 0F down to -30F. This is an important criterion for the colder states

  • @RedOneM
    @RedOneM Месяц назад +2

    'Two more weeks, just two more weeks!' This has gone for decades😁

  • @sailingonasummerbreeze7892
    @sailingonasummerbreeze7892 28 дней назад +1

    Nice presentation. Some of the 'remaining' challenges sound pretty substantial.

  • @BokoMoko65
    @BokoMoko65 Месяц назад +3

    Hey Mr Ferrel. Thank you for providing the translated audio to Brazilian Portuguese. It's quite good, very honest translation. May I ask which tool are you using? Your voice is perfect and there is even a bit of accent from the state of São Paulo :)

    • @therookienomore88
      @therookienomore88 Месяц назад +1

      He is using an ai speech generator he mentioned in a prior video. Sorry I can’t remember the name of it. Good to hear it’s working!

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  Месяц назад +5

      I'm using dittodub.com.

  • @FangerZero
    @FangerZero Месяц назад +21

    I honestly am looking forward to solid state batteries for my portables. I hope in a few years I'll be able to replace my batteries in my gaming handhelds with solid state batteries. How cool would it be to have my Handheld PC run AAA titles for 50% longer? And charge faster? I look forward to it.

    • @SirBalageG
      @SirBalageG Месяц назад +1

      So for 3 hours instead of 2 hours? You do you but this seems such a first world problem to me that I cannot even describe it in english :D

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 Месяц назад

      The smaller the product the smaller the advantage.
      Hell, I was comparing Yoshino's portable batteries with Ecoflow's and at the small end of things Ecoflow's modern batteries are actually better. More power, less weight, roughly the same size and cheaper.
      Small devices and replaceable batteries are probably the last places we'll see them once demand drops.

  • @andresacevedo347
    @andresacevedo347 28 дней назад +1

    Awesome! Definitely super hyped.

  • @ManuFortis
    @ManuFortis 27 дней назад

    SSB's are one of the few things I've been needing to come out to make some of my ideas work. A very welcome addition.

  • @devilfriend
    @devilfriend Месяц назад +5

    No mention of WeLion and NIO? They just debuted a 150kwh pack for their cars. Volvo also has solid state packs on their semis I think.

  • @BMWHP2
    @BMWHP2 Месяц назад +12

    Thanks for the video. Our car, a Smart cabrio, was over 7 years and we decided not to wait 5 years again and to go for an EV now.
    The Citroën ë-C3 MAX was around €25k with subsidies in the Netherlands, so within reach of the hard working masses😁
    In 5 years we will see what the new tech brings to the table, but for now, we are going to charge the EV with our solar panels. Talking about cheap . . .

    • @ralpharmsby8040
      @ralpharmsby8040 Месяц назад

      Some of us the the UK too. 🙂

    • @autobootpiloot
      @autobootpiloot 27 дней назад +1

      The average age of a privately owned car in the Netherlands is 15 years. The average fleet age is a few years younger because of lease companies buying new cars. 25k is far, far more than what the average hard worker can spend on a car.

  • @Leoninmiami
    @Leoninmiami Месяц назад +4

    By the time they "almost" get here, LFP batteries will be good enough for them not matter much. The new CATL batteries are awesome. Few will be willing to pay the SS premium.

  • @FatDawlf
    @FatDawlf Месяц назад +6

    My friendship with aluminum ion batteries has ended
    No but fr solid state batteries are very exciting

    • @predabot__6778
      @predabot__6778 Месяц назад

      Well, you could technically make solid state Aluminium Ion batteries as well -- the solid is just the state of the electrolyte.

  • @evahsia
    @evahsia Месяц назад +3

    Any suggestion that cars will be able to charge in 5-10 minutes is suspect marketing speak. There will be very few public charging stations capable of the 1000kW required to charge a 100kWh car battery in 5-10 minutes. (The current maximum is typically 350kW.) And I suspect those that can provide that kind of power will be very expensive to use. (Yes, I know about the 1000kW Superchargers for the Tesla Semi.)

  • @TimeTravelReads
    @TimeTravelReads Месяц назад +29

    Maybe solid state batteries will be around by the time my parents get an EV.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t Месяц назад +2

      solid state batteries have been on the market for at least a year now in different products, soon they will be in your EV :D

    • @abhishekmsful
      @abhishekmsful Месяц назад +1

      Correction: when my kids get EV😂

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад

      @@adr2t Those are semi solid state batteries. Don't believe everything you read in a press release.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 25 дней назад

      @@4203105 Doesnt matter, the fact its there is a truth its coming - just because a tomato is green - doesnt mean it wont turn red later on.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 13 дней назад

      @@adr2t It's probably coming eventually (But not before 2030). But this is not a tomatoe, this is a green apple. Two different things.

  • @davidchase3269
    @davidchase3269 28 дней назад +1

    How do they do in low temperatures, either charging, or running?

  • @Mycr0bi
    @Mycr0bi Месяц назад +1

    Cool how QS battery is kinda breathing or like similar when we are after lunch full, then look thin at morning when hungry. :D

  • @TheGiggleMasterP
    @TheGiggleMasterP Месяц назад +3

    We are so close to the Jetsons timeline... Or the dark StarTrek timeline. 😅

    • @luisostasuc8135
      @luisostasuc8135 Месяц назад

      Lol I think we passed the threshold for the dark timeline when a lot of women in the US started being forced to give birth, and be monitored for miscarriages, charged and potentially jailed. Several women have nearly bled out in hospital parking lots because they needed to get that far gone before they could legally get help.

  • @user-tx3qs9fl2s
    @user-tx3qs9fl2s 27 дней назад +6

    2014: Solid state batteries are five years away.
    2019: Solid state batteries are five years away.
    2024: Solid state batteries are five years away.

  • @geekoutnerd7882
    @geekoutnerd7882 19 дней назад +1

    You are officially the solid state battery guy for me

  • @Diablokiller999
    @Diablokiller999 Месяц назад

    Good to see some people and companies still focusing on solutions and not just problems.

  • @ThePurpleGas
    @ThePurpleGas Месяц назад +19

    Quantumscape already solved solid state batteries. They are literally commercializing them now and are about to submit B samples. VW's PowerCo verified the performance of the batteries publicly earlier this year. Quantumscape's lithium metal batteries are a real thing. The only question is whether or not QS will run out of money before they end up on the shelf. It's definitely a solved problem though.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад

      Quantum scape has a semi solid state battery. They aren't actually solid state. That's just marketing.

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 27 дней назад

      @@4203105 that's totally fair. I just say solid state because that's a general term that people are familiar with. Quantumscape's batteries are technically lithium metal with a solid ceramic separator. Not technically solid state. However, as Dr. Siva Sivaram (QS CEO) said on the TD Cowen interview a few days ago, Solid State means NOTHING if you can't get them working well outside the lab. And NO ONE has a Solid State battery working well in real world conditions. Not even SLDP. SLDP had problems with thermal runaway in their A samples, their battery requires high operating temperatures, and still has not solved the problem with dendrites (cycle life). Watch the TD Cowen interview with Solid Power's CFO as well. SLDP's CFO did not inspire confidence in SLDP's offerings and STILL REFUSES (his words) to provide updated performance data on their batteries. He literally refused giving this information live. Whereas QS's *CEO* was interviewed by TD Cowen and gave a whole slideshow filled with A2 performance data and had a whole slide showing where QS is compared to competitors. QS is actually showing progress and is being open and transparent about performance and milestones. SLDP is not. I want you to compare the TD Cowen interview with SLDP and the TD Cowen interview with QS and marvel at the difference. The difference is night and day. After watching that, tell me which company you would rather trust to build a next-gen battery. I'll take the lithium metal company (QS).

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 27 дней назад

      ​@@4203105 you're right. Technically QD is lithium metal with a solid ceramic separator. Not solid state. But as Dr. Sivaram (QS CEO) said on the TD Cowen interview a few days ago, solid-state means NOTHING if solid-state batteries can't perform well or cost-competively in real world automotive conditions. If lithium metal does better than the current solid-state solutions, that's okay. SLDP for some reason put their CFO on live during their TD Cowen interview (different interview from the QS one) and refused to give any performance metrics on their latest batteries. The CFO Kevin literally refused to provide any data. SLDP A samples had thermal runaway, high operating temperatures, and haven't seriously solved the high cycle life issue. In the QS interview with TD Cowen, Dr. Sivaram provided a whole slideshow on performance metrics for the A samples that QS has provided. He also provided a slide that shows where QS is in terms of development compared to all of their competitors. QS is far ahead of everyone else, especially SLDP. I would encourage you to watch both TD Cowen interviews (SLDP and QS) because both of them occurred in the last few days. SLDP had nothing to offer and was incredibly skimpy on any details. Nothing new to report and was a nothing burger. QS'w interview essentially clarified whether A2 was made with Raptor films and confirmed the timeline for B samples delivery. The slides were packed with info about CLEAR DOCUMENTED charging and discharging capabilities and compared these to competitors. There's no comparison at all between SLDP and QS and they really shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 27 дней назад

      @@4203105 Sorry I don't know why my reply keeps getting lost. I'll post it from my PC. You're right -- QS's battery isn't fully solid state and yes, it's just marketing. They have produced an anode-free, lithium metal battery with a solid ceramic separator. Not full solid state. As Dr. Siva Sivaram (QS CEO) stated in the latest TD Cowen interview from a few days ago, solid-state means NOTHING if your solid-state battery sucks. In that interview, Siva walked through a plethora of slides demonstrating all performance characteristics of QS batteries including A0 and A1 and explained the difference in throughput from Raptor ---> Cobra. A2 was just sent out so they don't have customer or in-house testing results yet. There was so much info packed into that interview it will make your head spin. The interview solidified that A2 was NOT using Raptor films. Therefore, we will expect only B0 cells to utilize Raptor.
      With that being said, now watch the TD Cowen interview with the SLDP CFO - also from like two days ago. By the way, why would SLDP even put their CFO on the interview? So he couldn't answer tough questions about the SLDP cell? Seems like a tactical cop-out. Kevin, the SLDP CFO, gave a very lame-duck interview where he refused to disclose any updated performance metrics live on air (QS provided the latest metrics on their latest data during their TD Cowen interview), and did not provide any new or meaningful information about even the latest chemistry of SLDP. When pushed about the chemistry, Kevin kept looking at his notes and reading basic bullet points that everyone already knows. SLDP hasn't addressed high operating temperatures (increases weight, complexity, and energy use and lowers energy density) and they have not addressed cycle life NOR the requirement for high pressure application for the operation of their battery. SLDP and QS shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence they are so far apart. The whole EV/green tech market is down across the board including QS but seeing SLDP dip into the mid $1.50 per share range doesn't look good. SLDP is going to have to face the music sometime.

  • @RoadTripTravel
    @RoadTripTravel 28 дней назад

    I'm down 90% on QS, I sure hope there is a chance it will come back.

  • @arcalypse1101
    @arcalypse1101 Месяц назад +1

    I am so sorry that these new technology names required you to use the "S" sound so many times. I am genuinely so impressed with how masterfully you pronounce everything so clearly.

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 Месяц назад +1

      Thanks. I’m taking the complement because I make S sounds a lot too.

  • @Daniel16sept
    @Daniel16sept Месяц назад +2

    Personally I'm betting on the Sodium Ion battery. The cost and environmental savings more than make up for the lower density in my opinion. Plus, they're on the market already!

  • @beautifulgirl219
    @beautifulgirl219 Месяц назад +3

    Fusion is finally here. :)

  • @thecompguy
    @thecompguy Месяц назад

    Great video! Thanks!

  • @rscott2247
    @rscott2247 29 дней назад +2

    I think BYD's sodium-ion might be the better way to go.

  • @t.g.2777
    @t.g.2777 Месяц назад +3

    Where the sodium ion solid state batteries at?

  • @DavidGarrison-od6yd
    @DavidGarrison-od6yd 27 дней назад +3

    my long range Tesla model y gets about 2 mi per percent , 180-200 miles per full charge , not 300-330 miles .....why do u always say 300-330 miles ? do u have a Tesla ?

  • @-whackd
    @-whackd 2 дня назад +1

    I would believe you if a production facility was completed.

  • @chrislenz6634
    @chrislenz6634 Месяц назад +2

    CATLs latest batteries are at 500w per KG, currently in production and in use.......with 18,000 charge cycles (that is over 40 years charging every day...) before failure.

  • @ickebins6948
    @ickebins6948 Месяц назад +70

    @14:30: I don't wanna overhype solid state batteries
    Titel: Solid state batteries are finally here...
    I'm disappointed...

  • @AandKs
    @AandKs Месяц назад +3

    I'll keep waiting alittle while longer

  • @chriswiles87
    @chriswiles87 24 дня назад

    Can't wait to have this for my e-bike

  • @solarcabin
    @solarcabin Месяц назад +1

    Hi Matt, I have a semi-solid state power station coming to review from Etaker. I am hoping these batts live up to the hype. I will let you know my opinion after I put it through testing.

  • @Iangamebr
    @Iangamebr Месяц назад +6

    I'll be honest, if any of these companies had any technology for manufacturing and to bring those products to market at any scale, one of the big companies would've already bought them for a couple of billion.

  • @MorselOfBread
    @MorselOfBread Месяц назад +5

    This video is like a review of The Winds of Winter. The book is yet to be published, but the review says it's going to be fantastic!

  • @wallykramer7566
    @wallykramer7566 29 дней назад +1

    Will we be having to reassess the other properties of batteries, like fire resistance and thermal management?

  • @Elkemper
    @Elkemper Месяц назад

    Thanks for the overview!
    I hope next time you will update us without 'almost' wording in the header.
    I'm also wondering - are there any graphs on how these batteries perform depending on the temperature and charge level? are they powerful enough to run a car up to 0% and in -25C? or +45C. This info would be a great addition to the video!

  • @SarcasmoRex
    @SarcasmoRex Месяц назад +3

    Question from the back of the class: Is there a reason that solid state batteries aren't being mentioned along side home battery solutions?

    • @NickFoster
      @NickFoster Месяц назад +13

      Probably because current LFP batteries are fine. Using solid state batteries for home storage would be like buying a Ferrari to do the school run.

    • @archerpence
      @archerpence Месяц назад

      ​@@NickFosterWhile I definitely agree with your comparison (lol), I must ask:
      And?
      Lmao

    • @skirata3144
      @skirata3144 Месяц назад +10

      Because Energy density isn't an issue for home battery solutions, cost is however which is why that part of the market is looking at LiFePo batteries currently and Sodium batteries in the near future.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад +1

      Why would they be? The whole point for solid state, is for portability. Why tf would you need that at home?

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад

      @@archerpence and what?

  • @timmmurray8110
    @timmmurray8110 Месяц назад +41

    On charge time, if you do the math on what it would take to charge an EV in 5 minutes, it often exceeds the current limit on any existing connector. Also, all existing charge stations would need a transformer upgrade to support it. The battery may support it, but it's not the only limitation.
    It's also not really necessary. A 20 minute stop every few hours is fine if you plan for it.

    • @SnappyWasHere
      @SnappyWasHere Месяц назад +15

      Yup. And I think capacity is still more important than speed. Tell someone they can drive a real 500 miles then have to stop for an hour is better than only going 200 miles even if you can recharge in 10 minutes.

    • @mohmmedtolba
      @mohmmedtolba Месяц назад

      That's his info ✅

    • @jensv874
      @jensv874 Месяц назад +4

      And how manny charging stations did the world have 10 years ago? 0? OK. A 20 min stop every few hours is ok if you plan for it? You must not know how much money that costs. I work in a company 500 emploers that are on the road the hole day. Do you realy think its fine that you pay people a lot for doing nothing to wait for the car to be charged up? Like cmon man.

    • @timmmurray8110
      @timmmurray8110 Месяц назад +17

      @@jensv874 If you're forcing them to drive more than 2 hours without a 20 minute break, I frankly do not have sympathy for your position. This is a health issue on top of a technical issue.

    • @8bits955
      @8bits955 Месяц назад +2

      @@SnappyWasHere yep, it the same things with phones, you got phone out there that can cahrge at 240w 0-100 under 20 min but battery life is only about 5 hours, or it takes 1 hour to charge but last for 10. i would pick the longer battery life every time over faster charging. Not to mention it cost alot more to provide and upgrade current infrastructure to be able to provide that type of current to fast charge in the first place which in most places we wont see it being in use

  • @Eireternal
    @Eireternal Месяц назад

    Thank you for an excellent presentation! Guess I'll start a small position in both and ease in for the long haul. Any thoughts on Enovix batter approach?

  • @mv80401
    @mv80401 29 дней назад +1

    Just heard a live presentation with Kevin Paprzycki of Solid Power (5/23). Their A1 battery is on target for delivery at the end of 2024 but their business is twofold. One is battery design, where they're collaborating with BMW, Ford and South Korean SK Battery, continually getting feedback. BMW and Ford aim to have mass production for EVs in the 2030, and to meet their schedule SolidPower needs to shoot for 27/28. They do NOT want to be a mass manufacturer. Their second leg is development in electrolyte powders, and they share samples with other designers, including SK, to obtain licensing deals. Decent balance sheet of just over $400m which will carry them through the decade, or longer if grants come through. The presentation was at TD Cowen’s 2nd Annual Sustainability Week, likely recorded.

  • @beetle5000
    @beetle5000 Месяц назад +7

    CATL has the condensed battery that is 500 watt hours which they can already mass produce if I’m not mistaken

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад +1

      Yeah. But it's semi solid state, just like all these "solid state" batteries coming to market now. CATL is just more honest in their advertising than all of these startups.

  • @petepete2284
    @petepete2284 Месяц назад +4

    This is exciting. Thanks Matt.

  • @tazjam12
    @tazjam12 28 дней назад

    I wonder if they could use a version of aerogel to separate. Aerogels are incredibly flexible, lightweight and porous.

  • @ceric64
    @ceric64 Месяц назад +2

    I am surprised that Prologium was not in your review. Maybe you only focus on US companies. Prologium is a Taiwanese company, which already has a factory in Taiwan producing 0.5Gwh (expanding to 2Gwh soon). They also invested in Dunkirk, France for a bigger factory to be built soon. Macron had a big announcement with their CEO. Look it up. Videos show the details. MB invested in Prologium.

  • @mnhtnman
    @mnhtnman Месяц назад +3

    Thank you and good morning!!!

  • @tonep3168
    @tonep3168 Месяц назад +31

    Always right around the corner… I won’t hold my breath. But quick takeaways here... Similar amount of charging cycles, as Apple have not many problems getting a little over 2000 cycles on their phone batteries recently. Cost savings will not reach the customer, in fact, they will be more expensive. Charging time is about almost the same, but we don’t know how many times, as “minimal side effects” are not “no side effects”. Capacity is between 30-40% more, very welcome, but not game changing, as we know manufacturers will focus on using less pouches to reduce weight - so none to minor (10%) gains in EV range. So no info on the weight, as it would be good to know the weight difference between a 70kw 4680 cell battery pack vs a 70kw pouch battery pack. A game changer would be a battery which offers twice the capacity for half the weight, and can be charged in 10 minutes with no ill effects. These packs are nowhere near even a third of this, thus will not be a game changer, and just won’t be adopted for many years, due to high manufacturing costs, high costs of redesigning battery packs and their support electronics and cooling/heating systems.

    • @ClosedOpenness
      @ClosedOpenness Месяц назад +8

      Every step forward is a step in the right direction.

    • @tonep3168
      @tonep3168 Месяц назад +1

      @@ClosedOpenness It’s not really though it it? If Tesla takes these cells and makes a cheap model 2 or 3, and it has the same range as the more expensive version, then that’s something to take note of. These batteries still have not seen the light of day, and are still theoretical.

    • @wojtek4p4
      @wojtek4p4 Месяц назад +4

      "Twice the capacity for half the weight" in a single generation is a pipe dream. Sure, the tech advancements might make those cells possible in a decade or two, but I can't think of any technology ever quadrupling its performance in a single generation.
      "So no info on the weight..." - Gravimetric density (in the table) is the column you want to look at. No info on the QS battery, but the sulfide separator battery claims over 50% higher capacity for the same weight. That means either lighter vehicles/electronics, or longer range - and it's up to the manufacturer do decide. I doubt EV ranges will increase that much, since driving for 300+ miles without any breaks is rare (and can be unsafe) - faster charging and lower weight is more likely.
      I think applications for other technologies are more interesting. EV motorcycles could benefit from them, since their weight is a bigger concern than in cars; so could personal electronics, drones and (maaaybe) electric aircraft. Sure, they're gonna be expensive at first, but there is a market for them - and as the tech develops, it's gonna get cheaper.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад

      @@wojtek4p4 If those are cheap enough to be competative with LFP, NMC and sodium. CATL has a 500Wh/kg "condensed battry" (that seems to be their version of "semi solid state") but they are only marketing it to airplane manufacturers, presumably because of the price and because gravimetric energy density doesn't matter that much in cars.

  • @Hylasavignyi
    @Hylasavignyi 29 дней назад

    What about recyclability of the solid state batteries? Any difference compared to the currently used ones?

  • @AceOfSpades678
    @AceOfSpades678 28 дней назад

    Fun fact, the JBL Flex bluetooth speaker in the 2024 Toyota Tacoma has a solid state battery, so it's already a mass produced technology!

  • @zilogfan
    @zilogfan Месяц назад +8

    So there not here then... Shit title Matt

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  Месяц назад +3

      Depends on how you look at it. They are here and being tested by partners now. That was the point I tried to hit, BUT ... I appreciate the feedback and will adjust the title.

    • @zilogfan
      @zilogfan Месяц назад +1

      @@UndecidedMF Much improved thanks

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs Месяц назад

      @@UndecidedMF you’re the ONLY one looking at it the way your click bait title says.

  • @BokoMoko65
    @BokoMoko65 Месяц назад +4

    There is a fundamental, physical, issue with solid state batteries. A battery is a container for a chemical reaction dispatched by the flow of electrical current. Chemical reactions between solid reactants are much slower and difficult than liquid or gaseous reactants.
    Almost all chemical reactions we do in laboratories make use of some liquid (water mostly) or require the reactants to be gasified. The design of the solid state batteries must provide some very large advantage to compensate the more difficult environment regarding the chemical reaction.

  • @scallywag1716
    @scallywag1716 27 дней назад +1

    Sounds promising and the same type of curve as when lithium ion technology came along. We’ll get there soon enough.

  • @dalton6173
    @dalton6173 Месяц назад

    Being able to charge within 15 minutes even occasionally is still good like if you're in a hurry to get to the hospital yet not in a hurry enough to call an ambience or something like that

  • @eikopoppy29
    @eikopoppy29 Месяц назад +3

    I'm still waiting for my Mr. Fusion.

  • @JensPilemandOttesen
    @JensPilemandOttesen Месяц назад +3

    Studies show that mostly-supercharged does not loose range more than mostly-home charging.

    • @giseler7936
      @giseler7936 Месяц назад

      Yes, that was a blatant bit of misinformation.

  • @DaveFogel
    @DaveFogel 28 дней назад +1

    No EV for me until SS batteries. THough I love that Ionic 5 N.

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 24 дня назад

    That thin flat battery on my fpv drone be awesome

  • @theflyingwelshman5338
    @theflyingwelshman5338 Месяц назад +7

    Now we just gotta get graphene out of the lab. And with this, I’m finally feeling optimistic.

    • @mankepoot9440
      @mankepoot9440 Месяц назад +7

      That will be shortly after the day they start making chocolate that makes you lose weight.

    • @TAP7a
      @TAP7a Месяц назад

      ​@@mankepoot9440and cold fusion in a cup

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 Месяц назад

      ​@@mankepoot9440 that already exists
      Grab the chocolate with a drone, take it to the highest tree branch available, and go get it

    • @theflyingwelshman5338
      @theflyingwelshman5338 21 день назад

      @@mankepoot9440 well, they sorta managed that with potato chips, but Olestra’s mostly banned now.

  • @Sku11Leader
    @Sku11Leader Месяц назад +7

    What's the end life of these batteries look like? Recyclable? I have two issues that need to be addressed before I'm on board with EVs. 1) What we do with them after their lifespan. 2) Performance in cold climates. Does a solid state battery perform just as well in -30F?

    • @wasd____
      @wasd____ Месяц назад +8

      1. The gas you burn isn't recycled either, so what's your point? Gasoline's lifespan is to burn for a fraction of a second and then just turn into massive amounts of CO2 and other pollutants.
      2. Plenty of gas cars already don't perform well / start reliably at -30F. And with an electric car, you don't even necessarily need to start it at that temperature, effectively, because you have a huge battery right there that can power heating elements to bring temperature-sensitive components up to an efficient operating temp if needed.

    • @fg009letyrds8
      @fg009letyrds8 Месяц назад +3

      It's actually more recyclable due to the fact that they're solid. In the end of their lifespan, they can either be used as a Grid battery or recycled. 2nd Question already got answered.

  • @diymadness2330
    @diymadness2330 Месяц назад +1

    Not having the Storedot battery in this list is an injustice to the video itself.

  • @craigcook9715
    @craigcook9715 29 дней назад

    What about the batteries in portable electronics? E.g., a mobile phone's battery. Will any of the mentioned technologies be suitable for such use?

  • @TheHaykokalipsis
    @TheHaykokalipsis Месяц назад +4

    LiFePo batteries do 3000+ cycles. lithium titanate batteries do 20.000 to 30.000 cycles. The long waited wonder boy solid state does... 2000 cycles?

  • @toddabbott781
    @toddabbott781 Месяц назад +4

    It is not just charge times. EV require a LOT of energy. A Tesla Model 3 has a 50kw battery that takes about 15-20 minutes to charge 80% on a 250kw charger. You want to now make that a 100KW solid state that can charge in 10 minutes? That is going to need a 1MW charger. They are already starting to water cool these cables and the power infrastructure that would be needed at charging stations if the ever want to replace the gas stations will draw more power than the towns and cities they are in. Think a typical town of say 10,000 is going to need probably 50 charging stations. They will normally not all be filled except during rush-hour (morning and night)... and this is for a 10 minute charge so you will likely need double that... and larger vehicles like the CyberTruck might still take 30 minutes at these rates. So 100 charging stations or 100MW of power likely in a city that normally uses half that.
    People just do not understand that the US to reduce fossil fuel usage for everything but ships and aircraft fuel and plastics, chemicals, and lubricants will require the US to increase its power production by at least 400% and rebuild the entire power grid from the ground up. This could cost 100 trillion dollars and take 20+ years or more to achieve. Remember gasoline has a very high energy density and we have been building up the infrastructure for homes and businesses as well as transportation over the last 120 years. We will still need to use fossil fuels for energy production for a long time. Most people just think it is about buying EVs and such, but there is so much more.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t Месяц назад

      It goes both ways, if you can produce a battery to use in your car, we can produce batteries that can be used on the grid and at the charging stations that can charge at a slower time or build up its storage to be release back to you or to the grid.

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 Месяц назад

      New Energy is getting lower and lower in price, with the benefit of being decentralized.
      It is not happening over night either. Engineering Explained or Real Engineering (was it? The car guy) did a video on what it would look like if the entirety of the US switched over night, and it was just 25% more power. Roughly equivelent to all of us running ACs 8 hours a day if I recall.
      All the gas subsudizes and infrastrucrure costs could go pay for that over time.
      I think people with your concern fail to realize we try to produce only as much energy we need at any giving time. If there is more demand we will easily build for that demand as we always have.
      There will be hurdles of course. Yet they are just that - just hurdles. They aren't walls or mountians, and won't stop progress.

    • @toddabbott781
      @toddabbott781 Месяц назад +1

      @@adr2t That helps with the surges, but it adds costs in other ways. I am not saying it is impossible, but the time tables they have set ARE. What was the goal 50% EV by 2035? That is NOT going to happen.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t Месяц назад

      @@toddabbott781 I might be wrong, but that was for new call sells was it not? Not ownership

    • @toddabbott781
      @toddabbott781 Месяц назад +1

      @@adr2t Some places what to ban non EV sales all together by 2035. But you can not go from 7.2% to 50% in one year. This means the sales needs to keep ramping roughly 4% per year over the next 11 years. I have heard NOTHING about new power plants or rebuilding ANY of the power grid. 4% EV per year is going to add up fast and we are just not prepared at all.

  • @daninucifera
    @daninucifera 18 дней назад

    Could you see car companies putting a few different battery types into the same vehicle? Some percent solid state, some LFP etc?

  • @BearInTheWoods931
    @BearInTheWoods931 Месяц назад

    Good work as always 😊

  • @michaelriecher5632
    @michaelriecher5632 Месяц назад +3

    Looks like the charge cycles for solid state batteries are not any different than regular lithium batteries. That is a big problem when after 10 years you may have to replace your batteries and it's costs $25k to do so.

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 Месяц назад +1

      Do the math 250+mile average ev range across 2,000+cycles while retaining at least 70-80% capacity=500,000+miles!
      News flash that's a LOT more total miles than 10 average year's of driving a personal use vehicle. 😀👍🏻

    • @michaelriecher5632
      @michaelriecher5632 Месяц назад +1

      @@4literv6 The charge cycles for solid state batteries are between 1000 to 2000 which is the same as the old lithium batteries. What I was hearing before was the number of charge cycles for were suppose to be much higher for solid state than the regular lithium batteries.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад

      @@michaelriecher5632 That's nice. Your car still won't need a battery replacement after 10 years.

  • @fleshreap
    @fleshreap Месяц назад +6

    Pretty clickbaity. Always been 5 years away...and now they're supposedly 4 years away...

  • @eddycabrera6748
    @eddycabrera6748 Месяц назад

    That ad segway was elite

  • @evolutionschildren
    @evolutionschildren 29 дней назад +1

    For 90+% of people and their daily driving. Current battery tech is fine. Tesla batteries are fine exception for the charge time. Which is only an issue in long road trips.
    I'm waiting on a graphene aluminum battery, like GMG is building. Hopefully less than a decade away from mass production now.
    Hey graphene, aluminum battery seems like the ultimate battery of the future.

  • @sonofyoutube6248
    @sonofyoutube6248 29 дней назад +2

    CATL already had the tech.. but the price is not economy friendly, that's why they make semi solid state until they make solid state batteries cheaper

    • @4203105
      @4203105 27 дней назад

      CATL only has semi solid state batteries. And they do make it, just not for cars and such, only for planes.