Solid State Batteries are Closer Than You Think

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  • Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
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  • @UndecidedMF
    @UndecidedMF  27 дней назад +59

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    • @ashman2023
      @ashman2023 27 дней назад +22

      So the title is just clickbait?

    • @space6370
      @space6370 27 дней назад +2

      When we will see it

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад +9

      @@ashman2023LOL are you new here? All his videos are click bait. Channels like his, just post click bait titles, so that they can shill their sponsors. It’s fun info. But that’s all it is.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад +1

      @@space6370how would he know?

    • @reyalPRON
      @reyalPRON 27 дней назад +1

      this is an "in an optimal scenario" situation imo. we are still waiting for the fancy solarcells that are rollable from cambridge uni that was "scalable for production now" 6 years ago.
      where is my tesla roadster and the ev semi? this is vaporware

  • @ashman2023
    @ashman2023 27 дней назад +1702

    Title: Solids state batteries are here
    Video: Solid state batteries are 5 years away.

    • @2LittleZombie
      @2LittleZombie 27 дней назад +81

      he said they will be in most EVs in 2028. So to say they are here was a little clickbait, but it´s not 5 years anymore

    • @BaukePosthuma
      @BaukePosthuma 27 дней назад +208

      I hate how RUclips’s algorithm is making reputable creators use clickbait titles these days.

    • @user-wy1br4le3i
      @user-wy1br4le3i 27 дней назад +88

      Yep. Unsubscribed.

    • @KWParrish
      @KWParrish 27 дней назад +45

      Almost anyone that follows battery tech knows it hits small electronics first. We will see them in cell phones and laptops in the next year or so. But it was funny "2028 " dammit! lol

    • @2LittleZombie
      @2LittleZombie 27 дней назад +41

      @BaukePosthuma technically, the title is not wrong. There are solid state batteries in testing, so they are "here"

  • @quackmoor
    @quackmoor 27 дней назад +359

    Didn't i watch this video 5 years ago?

    • @warrenarnold
      @warrenarnold 22 дня назад +21

      At this point he is just recycling the shocking videos😅 but don't worry, nuclear fusion is just 10 years away.... Always 😅

    • @alaskacanoe6837
      @alaskacanoe6837 20 дней назад +4

      I still have stock in these
      Losses are historic …. Would be cool to see them succeed…

    • @nosondre
      @nosondre 3 дня назад

      🤔😂🤣🥹😢

    • @nosondre
      @nosondre 3 дня назад

      🤔🤣😂😅🥹😢 my history with QS

  • @snappycattimesten
    @snappycattimesten 27 дней назад +1032

    I will charge my solid state battery car, using electricity generated by fusion power plants. Just 10 years away.

    • @mohmmedtolba
      @mohmmedtolba 27 дней назад +8

      That's his info ✅

    • @bgg-jp5ei
      @bgg-jp5ei 27 дней назад +50

      They have been for 50 years!

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 27 дней назад +22

      Fusion is more like 3-5 years away at this point. not to say it'll be here in 3-5 years, but expected timelines have dropped to there. At this rate, above-breakeven fusion demo plants will exist before you can buy a solid-state battery.

    • @TeodorSpiridon
      @TeodorSpiridon 27 дней назад +30

      @@bgg-jp5ei You are right, but also, science doesn't operate on anyone's schedule. You have to try a bunch of stuff to figure out what does and what doesn't work. All these estimates are just that, estimates.
      The exciting part for me is that they have samples that work. Figuring out the engineering challenge of scaling up is always easier than figuring out the science.
      I'll leave you with an example. People were trying to figure out flight for hundreds of years. Then from 1914 to 1960 we went from flying a few hundred feet to flying supersonic and across oceans.
      Once you figure out that one key piece of science that makes it all click, it becomes an engineering exercise and progress speeds up. That's what I am hoping for with solid state batteries.

    • @isaacmoon6739
      @isaacmoon6739 27 дней назад +16

      Just take the shortcut and make a fusion powered car

  • @prathamrawal5757
    @prathamrawal5757 27 дней назад +212

    So it i understand it correctly, the commercialization date is 2028 , so SSBs are not 5 years away now , they are 4 years away

    • @robinhood4640
      @robinhood4640 27 дней назад +25

      They will be 4 years away for another 10 years, and then they will be only 3 years away.

    • @ADreamPainter
      @ADreamPainter 27 дней назад +30

      The commercialization date is next year. 2028 was referring to it being in most EVs. Considering that it will take time for mass adoption, next year would be the right time to start in order to hit that margin.

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 26 дней назад +3

      Meanwhile LiFePO *_is_* actually here.
      All credit to the 3 wise men who created Li-Ion and changed the world the last few decades, but the new Iron flavor will be the staple going into all our doohickies for the next decade

    • @Outlaw_Traffic_Stops
      @Outlaw_Traffic_Stops 25 дней назад +5

      If a little moisture can destroy the things, count me out.

    • @impolitevegan3179
      @impolitevegan3179 25 дней назад +1

      The 2028 prediction was made in 2023, so maybe this year they predict 2029.

  • @ceric64
    @ceric64 26 дней назад +53

    BTW, when Chinese companies claim *SSB*, they meant semi-solid-state battery. Not the same.

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 26 дней назад +5

      No but the nio et7 welion semi solid state cells do exist and it is available right now in China! Proven to go 620+real world miles.
      That pack has 150kwhs out of the same size case as the catl 100kwh nmc pack and weighs just 44# more in total. 👍🏻😎

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад +2

      @@4literv6 I mean sure. CATL also has a semi solid state battery that is 500Wh/kg. They just call it "condensed battery" and target mostly plane manafucturers, presumably because it's too expensive for cars. Those are neat, but they aren't the real deal.

    • @_Circus_Clapped_
      @_Circus_Clapped_ 15 дней назад +1

      @@4literv6
      uhhh how long to recharge?

    • @Sidicas
      @Sidicas 7 дней назад

      Of course, just like how their Salt batteries still have lithium in them. Unlike the salt batteries made in the USA being shipped to data centers as LFP replacements that dont have any lithium in them at all. Also, LFP crashing in price now faster than the dude that intentionally crashed his airplane on social media for clicks and views. The American made salt batteries changing the entire battery market. Just picked up 280ah 12v LFP slashed down to $450. Cheaper AND better than lead acid. Lead acid days as standby batteries in UPS units are officially over! Getting those salt batteries though is apparently going to require preorders over a year out and you dont even need to buy them to feel that impact.

  • @OlivierSuire
    @OlivierSuire 27 дней назад +547

    Title : "Solid State Batteries are Finally Here"
    Conclusion : "They need just a little bit mode time".

    • @onilord1830
      @onilord1830 27 дней назад +21

      Like all scinetific advancement. *just 5 years away*

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut 27 дней назад +11

      @@onilord1830 Aww, poor nuclear fusion, moved into the forgotten realm apparently. 😏

    • @sanderfondenes8205
      @sanderfondenes8205 27 дней назад +7

      They are for available, where I live as 12V and 48v battery but they are like 1500$ for a 1,2kWh

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 27 дней назад +5

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

    • @cranberryeater7459
      @cranberryeater7459 27 дней назад +10

      ⁠in 50 years:
      Solid state battery is around the corner.

  • @zumuvtuber
    @zumuvtuber 27 дней назад +379

    Solid state batteries have been "almost here", "just a few years away", "arriving to market soon" for the past 15 years at least. I'll believe it when I see it.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 27 дней назад +18

      They been on the market for a year now in different products.

    • @HelloNotMe9999
      @HelloNotMe9999 27 дней назад +5

      “Soon” is what Christ told his disciples. That was two thousand years ago.

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut 27 дней назад +3

      You missed the "TM" on "soon", expect a lawsuit from Elon Musk who took over that trademark for every announcement he makes.

    • @CharveL88
      @CharveL88 27 дней назад +4

      @@adr2t The actual point is that who cares if some new tech is in an overpriced, bespoke product, but when that tech is actually viable for use in products that are competitive and better than existing solutions.
      So for all practical purposes...No. Over-priced niche products aren't really what everyone means when saying "arriving to market".

    • @CharveL88
      @CharveL88 27 дней назад +5

      @@ChrispyNut Found the "ELON=B4D" bot!

  • @denispatrick4046
    @denispatrick4046 27 дней назад +49

    I have a solid state battery from Yoshino. I run the AC on my boat when away from the dock. Works great.

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 26 дней назад +8

      I was doing some stat comparisons to offerings from eco-flow. I noticed the smaller products being pretty close (and in the case of River 2 Pro vs B660 the River wins) but the bigger versions... man, Yoshino is blowing them out of the water. Delta Pro at 3.6kw compared to the Yoshino 4kw? Yoshino is half the weight for only a few hundred dollars more.
      How's the build quality and which one did you get?

    • @snowpaw360
      @snowpaw360 25 дней назад +5

      @@KMCA779 Not to mention if the cycle life is true, that alone would be worth it even if it costed a bit more. They claim 4000 cycles keeping 80%+ capacity. Give me that and a starlink terminal and I'm good lol.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад +2

      I highly doubt that's actually a solid state battery. Anything on the market right now is semi solid state at best.

  • @andrewjmarx
    @andrewjmarx 27 дней назад +79

    I'm surprised gravimetric density wasn't discussed/compared; I've always thought it was more interesting than volumetric density. The main things is that higher gravimetric density equals less mass for the same amount of energy, resulting in better efficiency and range for a given energy capacity, or being able to use even smaller battery packs for the same range as different type of battery pack. It also means safer accident collision conditions, and hopefully lower costs/impacts from extracting, transporting, and processing of raw resources. Volumetric density can sort of indicate those things, but to a lesser degree I think.

    • @1diggers1
      @1diggers1 27 дней назад +17

      Matt showed a chart for the silicon batteries that had the info. The EV battery was 390 Wh/kg their other batteries were even higher 440/kg and 560/kg (wow!) It's at 7min 20 sec mark.

    • @barry28907
      @barry28907 26 дней назад +4

      ... and tire life

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 26 дней назад

      Gravi-who?

    • @yeroca
      @yeroca 26 дней назад +3

      On the flipside, volume is really important for EVs. Consider a battery with the same mass per watt, but made of something as dense as styrafoam. Huge and impractical. Perhaps you could have a combination metric, Wh/(mass * volume). I suspect you lose too much information this way.

    • @dirkohlhausen7671
      @dirkohlhausen7671 26 дней назад +4

      Volume is much more important than weight. Volume is in Cars Smartphones, Gadgets very restricted. Airplanes and flying things are the only type of vehicles that need light batteries.

  • @ubacow7109
    @ubacow7109 27 дней назад +10

    Some solid state batteries for consumers are already on the market under Yoshino power, you can buy them to power your electronics or home

  • @kittimcconnell2633
    @kittimcconnell2633 27 дней назад +31

    I own and drive a second hand 2015 LEAF and slow charge it at home. So, for an 8 year old EVE its battery is in good shape. I hope the solid state is ready to use by the time I purchase my next car.
    My husband drives a 2004 Honda CR-V. We like to keep cars running as long as possible.

    • @benjaminnead8557
      @benjaminnead8557 26 дней назад +2

      I'm now on the 9th year on my 12 year old Mitsubishi i-MiEV. I was able to get a free warranty pack replacement in 2020, so I have capacity similar to when the car was new. I also trickle charge at home. The next EV (there won't be any more ICE cars here) will almost certainly have a larger pack, be less prone to heat degradation and have V2X capability.

    • @ronaldglider
      @ronaldglider 23 дня назад

      I have a 20 year old XC90 (diesel) - hope it runs until I can get a SS EV

  • @trueriver1950
    @trueriver1950 27 дней назад +30

    Someone needs to start a sweepstake: which will arrive first: fusion power at grid scale, or solid state batteries in production at auto scale.

    • @davidmccarthy6061
      @davidmccarthy6061 27 дней назад +11

      I'm still waiting for my airless tires!

    • @Nope-w3c
      @Nope-w3c 27 дней назад +17

      easily solid state batteries. The tech is there, only the economics aren't. With fusion nor the theory, nor the tech, nor the economy is there.

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 26 дней назад +3

      Honestly, they just need to adopt hot-swappable standarized sizes instead of building the vehicles on top of fixed power packs. Then 'fill up' time stops being the issue, and maintenance of everyday Size A (Automotive) cells gets passed off to the industry and not the individual, like Propane BBQ cylinder swaps, and Truck Stops suddenly think jumbo EV pack swaps are the greatest thing since Burritos

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 26 дней назад +1

      @@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing wear n tear prohibits that. Although solid state cells using less cooling overall&weighing less per pack?
      Might mean that swapping thing should be reconsidered again. Have you seen the Chinese videos of ev battery swaps dropping out on the hwy?

    • @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing
      @WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 26 дней назад +1

      @@4literv6 You're gonna need more than youtube video anecdotes and supposition to back that up.

  • @xicofaria
    @xicofaria 27 дней назад +6

    There's a newly built factory in Taiwan and a second one starting coonstruction now in France, for Prologium SSB batteries. Its a real product, samples are with clients as of a few months ago.

  • @ssilversgs
    @ssilversgs 27 дней назад +10

    Just another 5-10 years....

  • @kevinrusch3627
    @kevinrusch3627 27 дней назад +20

    So we're down to 4 years?

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 27 дней назад +8

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

  • @kishidabu
    @kishidabu 26 дней назад +3

    One of the reasons I subscribe to your channel is that all of the innovations out there are really fascinating and so thank you for keeping us informed. It would be a good episode though to look back of previous episodes to discover which ideas have made it to maturity and viability. Keep up the good work Matt!

  • @michaelhuss0
    @michaelhuss0 27 дней назад +26

    Impossibly thin electronics are not necessary. On the other hand, fitting more battery power into devices of the current thickness/mass... *that's* a worthy pursuit. Bring it on.

    • @daviga1
      @daviga1 25 дней назад +7

      Amen to that. I'd rather carry around an 80s brickphone sized device if it devoted the space to retaining capabilities, improving durability, and a massive battery life. I don't need a phone I can shave with, I need a phone I can do things with.

    • @pablieto-veganson
      @pablieto-veganson 2 дня назад

      i need the steam deck 2 to have this tech.

  • @relax1706
    @relax1706 27 дней назад +198

    Title: Why Solid State Batteries are Finally Here
    Video: Solid state batteries are coming by 2028.

    • @robinvanlier
      @robinvanlier 27 дней назад +15

      2028: Solid state batteries are coming by 2032

    • @chrisprobert6
      @chrisprobert6 27 дней назад +2

      This is deja vu to the 80's. Automotively speaking, solid state charge regulators came about . Which were just a standard bridge in a circuit board, covered and filled with resin.😅

    • @Quickshot0
      @Quickshot0 27 дней назад +4

      Arguably by 2028 they're supposed to be available in a large volume production item like cars. Implying that lower volume production will be between then and now. So maybe one will see them in some applications already in 2026 or so.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 27 дней назад +10

      He said they are going on sale as early as this year. 2028 is the year the CEO expects large amounts of EVs produced to use solid state batteries. Huge difference.

    • @Quickshot0
      @Quickshot0 27 дней назад +4

      @@802Garage True enough for one of the companies, though wasn't the other saying something like their factory was starting to come online in 2024, so one would hope that in a year or two those products would start showing up in some areas then.

  • @greengamerguy623
    @greengamerguy623 27 дней назад +15

    always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

  • @dylanlasky2389
    @dylanlasky2389 18 дней назад +3

    I don't know why this video is so controversial. This tech is much further along since the last time I saw his video on solid state batteries, I like the updates, and it has come a lot further than I thought it would have. Commercialization is a huge step.

  • @logandaniels5
    @logandaniels5 27 дней назад +7

    QuantumScape is much closer than 5 years away. Volkswagen has stated several times that they will be putting QuantumScape batteries in their cars this year.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад +2

      Quantumscape has a semi solid state battery. They aren't actually solid state. That's just marketing.

    • @logandaniels5
      @logandaniels5 23 дня назад

      @@4203105 Well actually that’s misleading and arguably completely false all together. They make a battery with a solid separator, which is the most important component.

  • @bennetm9498
    @bennetm9498 26 дней назад +3

    There is already (semi-)solid state battery EV on sale in China. I read an article that states full solid-state battery won't be much better than this even if it comes out eventually.

  • @HoroRH
    @HoroRH 27 дней назад +15

    Thx, but please include the battery capacity reduction at low temperatures, from 0F down to -30F. This is an important criterion for the colder states

  • @SaltyBagfries
    @SaltyBagfries 24 дня назад +5

    Batteries have been the weakest component of electronics for a while. Having this tech catch up will be a massive efficiency gain across the board for anything that needs batteries.

  • @Leoninmiami
    @Leoninmiami 27 дней назад +4

    By the time they "almost" get here, LFP batteries will be good enough for them not matter much. The new CATL batteries are awesome. Few will be willing to pay the SS premium.

  • @BokoMoko65
    @BokoMoko65 27 дней назад +3

    Hey Mr Ferrel. Thank you for providing the translated audio to Brazilian Portuguese. It's quite good, very honest translation. May I ask which tool are you using? Your voice is perfect and there is even a bit of accent from the state of São Paulo :)

    • @therookienomore88
      @therookienomore88 27 дней назад +1

      He is using an ai speech generator he mentioned in a prior video. Sorry I can’t remember the name of it. Good to hear it’s working!

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  27 дней назад +5

      I'm using dittodub.com.

  • @artzoneproductions3474
    @artzoneproductions3474 2 дня назад +1

    *NOT ONLY THAT, the charging station available wouldn't be able to charge solid state battery, now we need to wait much longer to add these new charging stations.*

  • @Eireternal
    @Eireternal 26 дней назад

    Thank you for an excellent presentation! Guess I'll start a small position in both and ease in for the long haul. Any thoughts on Enovix batter approach?

  • @brianmahoney4156
    @brianmahoney4156 27 дней назад +122

    “on schedule for commercialization” yeah… sure

    • @greengamerguy623
      @greengamerguy623 27 дней назад +12

      always still 5 years away every 5 years since 2015

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 26 дней назад +2

      Relax. All that means is they’re set to make some commercials about it.

  • @FangerZero
    @FangerZero 27 дней назад +21

    I honestly am looking forward to solid state batteries for my portables. I hope in a few years I'll be able to replace my batteries in my gaming handhelds with solid state batteries. How cool would it be to have my Handheld PC run AAA titles for 50% longer? And charge faster? I look forward to it.

    • @SirBalageG
      @SirBalageG 27 дней назад +1

      So for 3 hours instead of 2 hours? You do you but this seems such a first world problem to me that I cannot even describe it in english :D

    • @KMCA779
      @KMCA779 26 дней назад

      The smaller the product the smaller the advantage.
      Hell, I was comparing Yoshino's portable batteries with Ecoflow's and at the small end of things Ecoflow's modern batteries are actually better. More power, less weight, roughly the same size and cheaper.
      Small devices and replaceable batteries are probably the last places we'll see them once demand drops.

  • @sailingonasummerbreeze7892
    @sailingonasummerbreeze7892 23 дня назад +1

    Nice presentation. Some of the 'remaining' challenges sound pretty substantial.

  • @FatDawlf
    @FatDawlf 27 дней назад +6

    My friendship with aluminum ion batteries has ended
    No but fr solid state batteries are very exciting

    • @predabot__6778
      @predabot__6778 26 дней назад

      Well, you could technically make solid state Aluminium Ion batteries as well -- the solid is just the state of the electrolyte.

  • @devilfriend
    @devilfriend 27 дней назад +5

    No mention of WeLion and NIO? They just debuted a 150kwh pack for their cars. Volvo also has solid state packs on their semis I think.

  • @jamesstarks3676
    @jamesstarks3676 27 дней назад +26

    It is going to probably be so very expensive until they can get up to scale. Also are there any plans to retro fit existing EV's that should be nearing their end of life cycles like my 2013 Tesla model S?

    • @Illuminati_HD
      @Illuminati_HD 27 дней назад +6

      Considering even a 50% capacity boost id gladly buy it for double the price

    • @yensteel
      @yensteel 27 дней назад +6

      Tesla should offer an option to retrofit it. And if they don't, then media should criticize them for that.

    • @TomIvens
      @TomIvens 27 дней назад +12

      @@yensteel They can't really plan a retrofit of a product that isn't their own and doesn't actually exist yet.
      Surely it is up to the battery manufacturers to make that work with Tesla. Takes 2 to tango in this case

    • @W_D_Richards
      @W_D_Richards 27 дней назад +8

      Unfortunately, it isn't as simple as sliding the old batteries out and sliding the new ones in. Each EV has an energy management unit that controls the flow of electricity to and from the battery packs. If you change out the batteries, you need to change out this EMS, too. You also then have to change the car's software to properly interact with the new EMS. Without doing this, the software may be making requests of the EMS that may cause greater problems because the flow of energy is incorrect.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад +2

      @@yensteel lol the media? Really? Why should Tesla do ANYTHING with 10 year old cars? That’s on you for buying something that we ALL a knew would be crap in 10 years. Companies shouldn’t be responsible for shit, 10 years after they made something. And if people actually cared, the customers, with the money, would tell Tesla themselves . But hey, at least you didn’t say the government should make them

  • @user-tx3qs9fl2s
    @user-tx3qs9fl2s 23 дня назад +5

    2014: Solid state batteries are five years away.
    2019: Solid state batteries are five years away.
    2024: Solid state batteries are five years away.

  • @Elkemper
    @Elkemper 26 дней назад

    Thanks for the overview!
    I hope next time you will update us without 'almost' wording in the header.
    I'm also wondering - are there any graphs on how these batteries perform depending on the temperature and charge level? are they powerful enough to run a car up to 0% and in -25C? or +45C. This info would be a great addition to the video!

  • @BMWHP2
    @BMWHP2 27 дней назад +12

    Thanks for the video. Our car, a Smart cabrio, was over 7 years and we decided not to wait 5 years again and to go for an EV now.
    The Citroën ë-C3 MAX was around €25k with subsidies in the Netherlands, so within reach of the hard working masses😁
    In 5 years we will see what the new tech brings to the table, but for now, we are going to charge the EV with our solar panels. Talking about cheap . . .

    • @ralpharmsby8040
      @ralpharmsby8040 26 дней назад

      Some of us the the UK too. 🙂

    • @autobootpiloot
      @autobootpiloot 23 дня назад +1

      The average age of a privately owned car in the Netherlands is 15 years. The average fleet age is a few years younger because of lease companies buying new cars. 25k is far, far more than what the average hard worker can spend on a car.

  • @evahsia
    @evahsia 26 дней назад +3

    Any suggestion that cars will be able to charge in 5-10 minutes is suspect marketing speak. There will be very few public charging stations capable of the 1000kW required to charge a 100kWh car battery in 5-10 minutes. (The current maximum is typically 350kW.) And I suspect those that can provide that kind of power will be very expensive to use. (Yes, I know about the 1000kW Superchargers for the Tesla Semi.)

  • @ManuFortis
    @ManuFortis 23 дня назад

    SSB's are one of the few things I've been needing to come out to make some of my ideas work. A very welcome addition.

  • @andresacevedo347
    @andresacevedo347 24 дня назад +1

    Awesome! Definitely super hyped.

  • @cherubin7th
    @cherubin7th 27 дней назад +30

    US companies are always promising way too optimistic. So it is still 5 years away.

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 27 дней назад +2

      You gotta convince the investors

    • @phillyphil1513
      @phillyphil1513 24 дня назад

      re: "US companies are always promising way too optimistic." translation: US companies are always "running scams" on the naive AF and the gullible AF.

    • @davidd2661
      @davidd2661 21 день назад

      it all sounds too familiar... oh no, the Soviet Union's 5-year plans!

  • @oefzdegoeggl
    @oefzdegoeggl 27 дней назад +26

    😄 So when will we have Sodium-Sulfur-Solid-State-Supercaps?

    • @guydreamr
      @guydreamr 26 дней назад +1

      Right behind that backyard nuclear fusion station.

    • @eaglesclaws8
      @eaglesclaws8 25 дней назад

      When you make it for yourself

  • @davidchase3269
    @davidchase3269 24 дня назад +1

    How do they do in low temperatures, either charging, or running?

  • @kelly747k
    @kelly747k 26 дней назад +1

    @UndecidedMF, one thing I'm curious about is why can't car roofs or front hoods have solar panels to constantly gain a trickle charge continuously while in use? Yes, I don't know how much it could add, but I also would ask how much it could impact a car fully charged at home and then doing a typical cycle of groceries, shopping, etc. where a car would also sit in a parking lot, absorbing/charging... or say having a certain trip length of X extended by those hours absorbing sun while on highways between major cities... that'd be an interesting vid to folks like me & a few coworkers.

  • @ickebins6948
    @ickebins6948 27 дней назад +70

    @14:30: I don't wanna overhype solid state batteries
    Titel: Solid state batteries are finally here...
    I'm disappointed...

  • @rscott2247
    @rscott2247 25 дней назад +2

    I think BYD's sodium-ion might be the better way to go.

  • @gustamanpratama3239
    @gustamanpratama3239 25 дней назад

    Great video! Hopefully with this and other novel battery techs, the transition to green electric energy will go smoothly and happen as soon as possible. By the way how is the Aluminium ion battery doing now? When will it enter mass production? Been a year since your video about it😀

  • @timmmurray8110
    @timmmurray8110 27 дней назад +41

    On charge time, if you do the math on what it would take to charge an EV in 5 minutes, it often exceeds the current limit on any existing connector. Also, all existing charge stations would need a transformer upgrade to support it. The battery may support it, but it's not the only limitation.
    It's also not really necessary. A 20 minute stop every few hours is fine if you plan for it.

    • @SnappyWasHere
      @SnappyWasHere 27 дней назад +15

      Yup. And I think capacity is still more important than speed. Tell someone they can drive a real 500 miles then have to stop for an hour is better than only going 200 miles even if you can recharge in 10 minutes.

    • @mohmmedtolba
      @mohmmedtolba 27 дней назад

      That's his info ✅

    • @jensv874
      @jensv874 27 дней назад +4

      And how manny charging stations did the world have 10 years ago? 0? OK. A 20 min stop every few hours is ok if you plan for it? You must not know how much money that costs. I work in a company 500 emploers that are on the road the hole day. Do you realy think its fine that you pay people a lot for doing nothing to wait for the car to be charged up? Like cmon man.

    • @timmmurray8110
      @timmmurray8110 27 дней назад +17

      @@jensv874 If you're forcing them to drive more than 2 hours without a 20 minute break, I frankly do not have sympathy for your position. This is a health issue on top of a technical issue.

    • @8bits955
      @8bits955 27 дней назад +2

      @@SnappyWasHere yep, it the same things with phones, you got phone out there that can cahrge at 240w 0-100 under 20 min but battery life is only about 5 hours, or it takes 1 hour to charge but last for 10. i would pick the longer battery life every time over faster charging. Not to mention it cost alot more to provide and upgrade current infrastructure to be able to provide that type of current to fast charge in the first place which in most places we wont see it being in use

  • @Daniel16sept
    @Daniel16sept 27 дней назад +2

    Personally I'm betting on the Sodium Ion battery. The cost and environmental savings more than make up for the lower density in my opinion. Plus, they're on the market already!

  • @thecompguy
    @thecompguy 26 дней назад

    Great video! Thanks!

  • @Diablokiller999
    @Diablokiller999 26 дней назад

    Good to see some people and companies still focusing on solutions and not just problems.

  • @Iangamebr
    @Iangamebr 27 дней назад +6

    I'll be honest, if any of these companies had any technology for manufacturing and to bring those products to market at any scale, one of the big companies would've already bought them for a couple of billion.

  • @ThePurpleGas
    @ThePurpleGas 27 дней назад +19

    Quantumscape already solved solid state batteries. They are literally commercializing them now and are about to submit B samples. VW's PowerCo verified the performance of the batteries publicly earlier this year. Quantumscape's lithium metal batteries are a real thing. The only question is whether or not QS will run out of money before they end up on the shelf. It's definitely a solved problem though.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад

      Quantum scape has a semi solid state battery. They aren't actually solid state. That's just marketing.

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 23 дня назад

      @@4203105 that's totally fair. I just say solid state because that's a general term that people are familiar with. Quantumscape's batteries are technically lithium metal with a solid ceramic separator. Not technically solid state. However, as Dr. Siva Sivaram (QS CEO) said on the TD Cowen interview a few days ago, Solid State means NOTHING if you can't get them working well outside the lab. And NO ONE has a Solid State battery working well in real world conditions. Not even SLDP. SLDP had problems with thermal runaway in their A samples, their battery requires high operating temperatures, and still has not solved the problem with dendrites (cycle life). Watch the TD Cowen interview with Solid Power's CFO as well. SLDP's CFO did not inspire confidence in SLDP's offerings and STILL REFUSES (his words) to provide updated performance data on their batteries. He literally refused giving this information live. Whereas QS's *CEO* was interviewed by TD Cowen and gave a whole slideshow filled with A2 performance data and had a whole slide showing where QS is compared to competitors. QS is actually showing progress and is being open and transparent about performance and milestones. SLDP is not. I want you to compare the TD Cowen interview with SLDP and the TD Cowen interview with QS and marvel at the difference. The difference is night and day. After watching that, tell me which company you would rather trust to build a next-gen battery. I'll take the lithium metal company (QS).

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 23 дня назад

      ​@@4203105 you're right. Technically QD is lithium metal with a solid ceramic separator. Not solid state. But as Dr. Sivaram (QS CEO) said on the TD Cowen interview a few days ago, solid-state means NOTHING if solid-state batteries can't perform well or cost-competively in real world automotive conditions. If lithium metal does better than the current solid-state solutions, that's okay. SLDP for some reason put their CFO on live during their TD Cowen interview (different interview from the QS one) and refused to give any performance metrics on their latest batteries. The CFO Kevin literally refused to provide any data. SLDP A samples had thermal runaway, high operating temperatures, and haven't seriously solved the high cycle life issue. In the QS interview with TD Cowen, Dr. Sivaram provided a whole slideshow on performance metrics for the A samples that QS has provided. He also provided a slide that shows where QS is in terms of development compared to all of their competitors. QS is far ahead of everyone else, especially SLDP. I would encourage you to watch both TD Cowen interviews (SLDP and QS) because both of them occurred in the last few days. SLDP had nothing to offer and was incredibly skimpy on any details. Nothing new to report and was a nothing burger. QS'w interview essentially clarified whether A2 was made with Raptor films and confirmed the timeline for B samples delivery. The slides were packed with info about CLEAR DOCUMENTED charging and discharging capabilities and compared these to competitors. There's no comparison at all between SLDP and QS and they really shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

    • @ThePurpleGas
      @ThePurpleGas 23 дня назад

      @@4203105 Sorry I don't know why my reply keeps getting lost. I'll post it from my PC. You're right -- QS's battery isn't fully solid state and yes, it's just marketing. They have produced an anode-free, lithium metal battery with a solid ceramic separator. Not full solid state. As Dr. Siva Sivaram (QS CEO) stated in the latest TD Cowen interview from a few days ago, solid-state means NOTHING if your solid-state battery sucks. In that interview, Siva walked through a plethora of slides demonstrating all performance characteristics of QS batteries including A0 and A1 and explained the difference in throughput from Raptor ---> Cobra. A2 was just sent out so they don't have customer or in-house testing results yet. There was so much info packed into that interview it will make your head spin. The interview solidified that A2 was NOT using Raptor films. Therefore, we will expect only B0 cells to utilize Raptor.
      With that being said, now watch the TD Cowen interview with the SLDP CFO - also from like two days ago. By the way, why would SLDP even put their CFO on the interview? So he couldn't answer tough questions about the SLDP cell? Seems like a tactical cop-out. Kevin, the SLDP CFO, gave a very lame-duck interview where he refused to disclose any updated performance metrics live on air (QS provided the latest metrics on their latest data during their TD Cowen interview), and did not provide any new or meaningful information about even the latest chemistry of SLDP. When pushed about the chemistry, Kevin kept looking at his notes and reading basic bullet points that everyone already knows. SLDP hasn't addressed high operating temperatures (increases weight, complexity, and energy use and lowers energy density) and they have not addressed cycle life NOR the requirement for high pressure application for the operation of their battery. SLDP and QS shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence they are so far apart. The whole EV/green tech market is down across the board including QS but seeing SLDP dip into the mid $1.50 per share range doesn't look good. SLDP is going to have to face the music sometime.

  • @Hylasavignyi
    @Hylasavignyi 25 дней назад

    What about recyclability of the solid state batteries? Any difference compared to the currently used ones?

  • @smwsmwsmw
    @smwsmwsmw 27 дней назад

    Love the channel and the reporting on the latest renewable energy tech, but I'd love even more to see followups evey once in a while on items you've reported on, to see how things are getting along and how likely it is (and when!) that we'll see them commercially available. Hardly a week goes by that we don't see a press release about some new battery or other technology in the research stage, but then years go by and nothing happens.

  • @tonep3168
    @tonep3168 27 дней назад +31

    Always right around the corner… I won’t hold my breath. But quick takeaways here... Similar amount of charging cycles, as Apple have not many problems getting a little over 2000 cycles on their phone batteries recently. Cost savings will not reach the customer, in fact, they will be more expensive. Charging time is about almost the same, but we don’t know how many times, as “minimal side effects” are not “no side effects”. Capacity is between 30-40% more, very welcome, but not game changing, as we know manufacturers will focus on using less pouches to reduce weight - so none to minor (10%) gains in EV range. So no info on the weight, as it would be good to know the weight difference between a 70kw 4680 cell battery pack vs a 70kw pouch battery pack. A game changer would be a battery which offers twice the capacity for half the weight, and can be charged in 10 minutes with no ill effects. These packs are nowhere near even a third of this, thus will not be a game changer, and just won’t be adopted for many years, due to high manufacturing costs, high costs of redesigning battery packs and their support electronics and cooling/heating systems.

    • @ClosedOpenness
      @ClosedOpenness 27 дней назад +8

      Every step forward is a step in the right direction.

    • @tonep3168
      @tonep3168 27 дней назад +1

      @@ClosedOpenness It’s not really though it it? If Tesla takes these cells and makes a cheap model 2 or 3, and it has the same range as the more expensive version, then that’s something to take note of. These batteries still have not seen the light of day, and are still theoretical.

    • @wojtek4p4
      @wojtek4p4 27 дней назад +4

      "Twice the capacity for half the weight" in a single generation is a pipe dream. Sure, the tech advancements might make those cells possible in a decade or two, but I can't think of any technology ever quadrupling its performance in a single generation.
      "So no info on the weight..." - Gravimetric density (in the table) is the column you want to look at. No info on the QS battery, but the sulfide separator battery claims over 50% higher capacity for the same weight. That means either lighter vehicles/electronics, or longer range - and it's up to the manufacturer do decide. I doubt EV ranges will increase that much, since driving for 300+ miles without any breaks is rare (and can be unsafe) - faster charging and lower weight is more likely.
      I think applications for other technologies are more interesting. EV motorcycles could benefit from them, since their weight is a bigger concern than in cars; so could personal electronics, drones and (maaaybe) electric aircraft. Sure, they're gonna be expensive at first, but there is a market for them - and as the tech develops, it's gonna get cheaper.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад

      @@wojtek4p4 If those are cheap enough to be competative with LFP, NMC and sodium. CATL has a 500Wh/kg "condensed battry" (that seems to be their version of "semi solid state") but they are only marketing it to airplane manufacturers, presumably because of the price and because gravimetric energy density doesn't matter that much in cars.

  • @TheGiggleMasterP
    @TheGiggleMasterP 27 дней назад +3

    We are so close to the Jetsons timeline... Or the dark StarTrek timeline. 😅

    • @luisostasuc8135
      @luisostasuc8135 27 дней назад

      Lol I think we passed the threshold for the dark timeline when a lot of women in the US started being forced to give birth, and be monitored for miscarriages, charged and potentially jailed. Several women have nearly bled out in hospital parking lots because they needed to get that far gone before they could legally get help.

  • @wallykramer7566
    @wallykramer7566 25 дней назад +1

    Will we be having to reassess the other properties of batteries, like fire resistance and thermal management?

  • @bonaldisillico
    @bonaldisillico 27 дней назад

    Very informative thank you - but I listened to this in the background for several minutes wondering what are sol-state batteries?

    • @Wishkeyn
      @Wishkeyn 27 дней назад

      Tl;DW: Battery with a solid electrolyte

  • @DavidGarrison-od6yd
    @DavidGarrison-od6yd 23 дня назад +3

    my long range Tesla model y gets about 2 mi per percent , 180-200 miles per full charge , not 300-330 miles .....why do u always say 300-330 miles ? do u have a Tesla ?

  • @t.g.2777
    @t.g.2777 27 дней назад +3

    Where the sodium ion solid state batteries at?

  • @NAL63
    @NAL63 26 дней назад

    I love your video presentations, you are awesome at converting complicated issues into Plain Talk, I can't afford to donate to your channel, but I will like and share your videos High Five

  • @BearInTheWoods931
    @BearInTheWoods931 27 дней назад

    Good work as always 😊

  • @TimeTravelReads
    @TimeTravelReads 27 дней назад +29

    Maybe solid state batteries will be around by the time my parents get an EV.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 27 дней назад +2

      solid state batteries have been on the market for at least a year now in different products, soon they will be in your EV :D

    • @abhishekmsful
      @abhishekmsful 27 дней назад +1

      Correction: when my kids get EV😂

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад

      @@adr2t Those are semi solid state batteries. Don't believe everything you read in a press release.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 21 день назад

      @@4203105 Doesnt matter, the fact its there is a truth its coming - just because a tomato is green - doesnt mean it wont turn red later on.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 9 дней назад

      @@adr2t It's probably coming eventually (But not before 2030). But this is not a tomatoe, this is a green apple. Two different things.

  • @RedOneM
    @RedOneM 27 дней назад +2

    'Two more weeks, just two more weeks!' This has gone for decades😁

  • @UberAffe1
    @UberAffe1 26 дней назад

    You should do a review of Air Jet. Its a little bit of a stretch from your standard topics but its a fascinating cooling solution that would pair amazingly well with this flat battery design.

  • @petepete2284
    @petepete2284 27 дней назад +4

    This is exciting. Thanks Matt.

  • @beautifulgirl219
    @beautifulgirl219 27 дней назад +3

    Fusion is finally here. :)

  • @chrislenz6634
    @chrislenz6634 26 дней назад +2

    CATLs latest batteries are at 500w per KG, currently in production and in use.......with 18,000 charge cycles (that is over 40 years charging every day...) before failure.

  • @evolutionschildren
    @evolutionschildren 25 дней назад +1

    For 90+% of people and their daily driving. Current battery tech is fine. Tesla batteries are fine exception for the charge time. Which is only an issue in long road trips.
    I'm waiting on a graphene aluminum battery, like GMG is building. Hopefully less than a decade away from mass production now.
    Hey graphene, aluminum battery seems like the ultimate battery of the future.

  • @MorselOfBread
    @MorselOfBread 26 дней назад +5

    This video is like a review of The Winds of Winter. The book is yet to be published, but the review says it's going to be fantastic!

  • @AandKs
    @AandKs 27 дней назад +3

    I'll keep waiting alittle while longer

  • @ShadLife
    @ShadLife 16 дней назад

    I have an Ioniq 5 EV right now. I just hit 15k miles and it's been a non-issue. Most people can shift to EVs today. It's slightly different, but from my experience it has been a lot better and more convenient than having an ICE vehicle. And the best part is, the car drives absolutely amazing and it is the best car I have ever owned.

  • @chriswiles87
    @chriswiles87 20 дней назад

    Can't wait to have this for my e-bike

  • @beetle5000
    @beetle5000 27 дней назад +7

    CATL has the condensed battery that is 500 watt hours which they can already mass produce if I’m not mistaken

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад +1

      Yeah. But it's semi solid state, just like all these "solid state" batteries coming to market now. CATL is just more honest in their advertising than all of these startups.

  • @mnhtnman
    @mnhtnman 27 дней назад +3

    Thank you and good morning!!!

  • @geekoutnerd7882
    @geekoutnerd7882 15 дней назад +1

    You are officially the solid state battery guy for me

  • @junior.senior
    @junior.senior 26 дней назад

    Exciting! Solid work!

  • @BokoMoko65
    @BokoMoko65 27 дней назад +4

    There is a fundamental, physical, issue with solid state batteries. A battery is a container for a chemical reaction dispatched by the flow of electrical current. Chemical reactions between solid reactants are much slower and difficult than liquid or gaseous reactants.
    Almost all chemical reactions we do in laboratories make use of some liquid (water mostly) or require the reactants to be gasified. The design of the solid state batteries must provide some very large advantage to compensate the more difficult environment regarding the chemical reaction.

  • @SarcasmoRex
    @SarcasmoRex 27 дней назад +3

    Question from the back of the class: Is there a reason that solid state batteries aren't being mentioned along side home battery solutions?

    • @NickFoster
      @NickFoster 27 дней назад +13

      Probably because current LFP batteries are fine. Using solid state batteries for home storage would be like buying a Ferrari to do the school run.

    • @archerpence
      @archerpence 27 дней назад

      ​@@NickFosterWhile I definitely agree with your comparison (lol), I must ask:
      And?
      Lmao

    • @skirata3144
      @skirata3144 27 дней назад +10

      Because Energy density isn't an issue for home battery solutions, cost is however which is why that part of the market is looking at LiFePo batteries currently and Sodium batteries in the near future.

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад +1

      Why would they be? The whole point for solid state, is for portability. Why tf would you need that at home?

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад

      @@archerpence and what?

  • @ceric64
    @ceric64 26 дней назад +2

    I am surprised that Prologium was not in your review. Maybe you only focus on US companies. Prologium is a Taiwanese company, which already has a factory in Taiwan producing 0.5Gwh (expanding to 2Gwh soon). They also invested in Dunkirk, France for a bigger factory to be built soon. Macron had a big announcement with their CEO. Look it up. Videos show the details. MB invested in Prologium.

  • @DougGrinbergs
    @DougGrinbergs 2 дня назад

    6:45 QuantumScape box pouch fkex-frame design 7:10 Solid Power, CU Boulder spinoff, R&D here in Louisville (CTC), Brighton factory in the works 8:56 battery comparison chart 10:14 QuantumScape has 2x Solid Power cycles

  • @JensPilemandOttesen
    @JensPilemandOttesen 27 дней назад +3

    Studies show that mostly-supercharged does not loose range more than mostly-home charging.

    • @giseler7936
      @giseler7936 27 дней назад

      Yes, that was a blatant bit of misinformation.

  • @Sku11Leader
    @Sku11Leader 27 дней назад +7

    What's the end life of these batteries look like? Recyclable? I have two issues that need to be addressed before I'm on board with EVs. 1) What we do with them after their lifespan. 2) Performance in cold climates. Does a solid state battery perform just as well in -30F?

    • @wasd____
      @wasd____ 27 дней назад +8

      1. The gas you burn isn't recycled either, so what's your point? Gasoline's lifespan is to burn for a fraction of a second and then just turn into massive amounts of CO2 and other pollutants.
      2. Plenty of gas cars already don't perform well / start reliably at -30F. And with an electric car, you don't even necessarily need to start it at that temperature, effectively, because you have a huge battery right there that can power heating elements to bring temperature-sensitive components up to an efficient operating temp if needed.

    • @fg009letyrds8
      @fg009letyrds8 26 дней назад +3

      It's actually more recyclable due to the fact that they're solid. In the end of their lifespan, they can either be used as a Grid battery or recycled. 2nd Question already got answered.

  • @craigcook9715
    @craigcook9715 25 дней назад

    What about the batteries in portable electronics? E.g., a mobile phone's battery. Will any of the mentioned technologies be suitable for such use?

  • @balajiramalingam5559
    @balajiramalingam5559 25 дней назад +1

    Solid state battery commercial availability on 2028. Sodium ion batteries are also playing their role. At the end of the day the actual deal will be in the price of the particular type of battery and it's arrival to the Market

  • @theflyingwelshman5338
    @theflyingwelshman5338 27 дней назад +7

    Now we just gotta get graphene out of the lab. And with this, I’m finally feeling optimistic.

    • @mankepoot9440
      @mankepoot9440 27 дней назад +7

      That will be shortly after the day they start making chocolate that makes you lose weight.

    • @TAP7a
      @TAP7a 27 дней назад

      ​@@mankepoot9440and cold fusion in a cup

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 27 дней назад

      ​@@mankepoot9440 that already exists
      Grab the chocolate with a drone, take it to the highest tree branch available, and go get it

    • @theflyingwelshman5338
      @theflyingwelshman5338 17 дней назад

      @@mankepoot9440 well, they sorta managed that with potato chips, but Olestra’s mostly banned now.

  • @TheHaykokalipsis
    @TheHaykokalipsis 27 дней назад +4

    LiFePo batteries do 3000+ cycles. lithium titanate batteries do 20.000 to 30.000 cycles. The long waited wonder boy solid state does... 2000 cycles?

  • @se777en73120
    @se777en73120 26 дней назад

    9:00. This table shows energy density, but what about power density?

  • @sonofyoutube6248
    @sonofyoutube6248 25 дней назад +2

    CATL already had the tech.. but the price is not economy friendly, that's why they make semi solid state until they make solid state batteries cheaper

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад

      CATL only has semi solid state batteries. And they do make it, just not for cars and such, only for planes.

  • @Mycr0bi
    @Mycr0bi 27 дней назад +1

    Cool how QS battery is kinda breathing or like similar when we are after lunch full, then look thin at morning when hungry. :D

  • @eikopoppy29
    @eikopoppy29 27 дней назад +3

    I'm still waiting for my Mr. Fusion.

  • @zilogfan
    @zilogfan 27 дней назад +8

    So there not here then... Shit title Matt

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  27 дней назад +3

      Depends on how you look at it. They are here and being tested by partners now. That was the point I tried to hit, BUT ... I appreciate the feedback and will adjust the title.

    • @zilogfan
      @zilogfan 27 дней назад +1

      @@UndecidedMF Much improved thanks

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 27 дней назад

      @@UndecidedMF you’re the ONLY one looking at it the way your click bait title says.

  • @arcalypse1101
    @arcalypse1101 27 дней назад +1

    I am so sorry that these new technology names required you to use the "S" sound so many times. I am genuinely so impressed with how masterfully you pronounce everything so clearly.

    • @ryanjohnson4565
      @ryanjohnson4565 26 дней назад +1

      Thanks. I’m taking the complement because I make S sounds a lot too.

  • @solarcabin
    @solarcabin 27 дней назад +1

    Hi Matt, I have a semi-solid state power station coming to review from Etaker. I am hoping these batts live up to the hype. I will let you know my opinion after I put it through testing.

  • @toddabbott781
    @toddabbott781 27 дней назад +4

    It is not just charge times. EV require a LOT of energy. A Tesla Model 3 has a 50kw battery that takes about 15-20 minutes to charge 80% on a 250kw charger. You want to now make that a 100KW solid state that can charge in 10 minutes? That is going to need a 1MW charger. They are already starting to water cool these cables and the power infrastructure that would be needed at charging stations if the ever want to replace the gas stations will draw more power than the towns and cities they are in. Think a typical town of say 10,000 is going to need probably 50 charging stations. They will normally not all be filled except during rush-hour (morning and night)... and this is for a 10 minute charge so you will likely need double that... and larger vehicles like the CyberTruck might still take 30 minutes at these rates. So 100 charging stations or 100MW of power likely in a city that normally uses half that.
    People just do not understand that the US to reduce fossil fuel usage for everything but ships and aircraft fuel and plastics, chemicals, and lubricants will require the US to increase its power production by at least 400% and rebuild the entire power grid from the ground up. This could cost 100 trillion dollars and take 20+ years or more to achieve. Remember gasoline has a very high energy density and we have been building up the infrastructure for homes and businesses as well as transportation over the last 120 years. We will still need to use fossil fuels for energy production for a long time. Most people just think it is about buying EVs and such, but there is so much more.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 27 дней назад

      It goes both ways, if you can produce a battery to use in your car, we can produce batteries that can be used on the grid and at the charging stations that can charge at a slower time or build up its storage to be release back to you or to the grid.

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 27 дней назад

      New Energy is getting lower and lower in price, with the benefit of being decentralized.
      It is not happening over night either. Engineering Explained or Real Engineering (was it? The car guy) did a video on what it would look like if the entirety of the US switched over night, and it was just 25% more power. Roughly equivelent to all of us running ACs 8 hours a day if I recall.
      All the gas subsudizes and infrastrucrure costs could go pay for that over time.
      I think people with your concern fail to realize we try to produce only as much energy we need at any giving time. If there is more demand we will easily build for that demand as we always have.
      There will be hurdles of course. Yet they are just that - just hurdles. They aren't walls or mountians, and won't stop progress.

    • @toddabbott781
      @toddabbott781 27 дней назад +1

      @@adr2t That helps with the surges, but it adds costs in other ways. I am not saying it is impossible, but the time tables they have set ARE. What was the goal 50% EV by 2035? That is NOT going to happen.

    • @adr2t
      @adr2t 27 дней назад

      @@toddabbott781 I might be wrong, but that was for new call sells was it not? Not ownership

    • @toddabbott781
      @toddabbott781 26 дней назад +1

      @@adr2t Some places what to ban non EV sales all together by 2035. But you can not go from 7.2% to 50% in one year. This means the sales needs to keep ramping roughly 4% per year over the next 11 years. I have heard NOTHING about new power plants or rebuilding ANY of the power grid. 4% EV per year is going to add up fast and we are just not prepared at all.

  • @michaelriecher5632
    @michaelriecher5632 27 дней назад +3

    Looks like the charge cycles for solid state batteries are not any different than regular lithium batteries. That is a big problem when after 10 years you may have to replace your batteries and it's costs $25k to do so.

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 26 дней назад +1

      Do the math 250+mile average ev range across 2,000+cycles while retaining at least 70-80% capacity=500,000+miles!
      News flash that's a LOT more total miles than 10 average year's of driving a personal use vehicle. 😀👍🏻

    • @michaelriecher5632
      @michaelriecher5632 26 дней назад +1

      @@4literv6 The charge cycles for solid state batteries are between 1000 to 2000 which is the same as the old lithium batteries. What I was hearing before was the number of charge cycles for were suppose to be much higher for solid state than the regular lithium batteries.

    • @4203105
      @4203105 23 дня назад

      @@michaelriecher5632 That's nice. Your car still won't need a battery replacement after 10 years.

  • @mv80401
    @mv80401 25 дней назад +1

    Just heard a live presentation with Kevin Paprzycki of Solid Power (5/23). Their A1 battery is on target for delivery at the end of 2024 but their business is twofold. One is battery design, where they're collaborating with BMW, Ford and South Korean SK Battery, continually getting feedback. BMW and Ford aim to have mass production for EVs in the 2030, and to meet their schedule SolidPower needs to shoot for 27/28. They do NOT want to be a mass manufacturer. Their second leg is development in electrolyte powders, and they share samples with other designers, including SK, to obtain licensing deals. Decent balance sheet of just over $400m which will carry them through the decade, or longer if grants come through. The presentation was at TD Cowen’s 2nd Annual Sustainability Week, likely recorded.

  • @briand5379
    @briand5379 26 дней назад +1

    Let's also not forget companies like BYD and CATL are also working on SSB. It seems like SIB are the way to go now and SSB in the next 5 years.

    • @MrlegendOr
      @MrlegendOr 17 дней назад

      And they lead this techno again 🙃