@@alanpulido3205 Or is that they read the card but didn't understand the rules about replacement effects? Because they said rules screw ups don't count.
Agree!, and we didn't even have to wait next episdoe for a reading mistake: at 30:50 Looks like Jeremy drew 1 card and Steven drew 2 from the Arcane Denial delayed trigger. Should be the opposite :P Who's at fault here? Not sure, Jeremy and Jon seems to suggest the wrong effect, while Steven did play the card. LOL.
@@kandjar Jeremy picked up 2 cards in one motion, you can see them when he holds them over the battlefield. Steven drew 2, 1 from Arcane Denial and then the 2nd as draw from turn. Seems good to me
Great decision on the -2 point rule. Gonna force Stephen, Jon, and Corey to read new cards better. I can't remember the last time Jeremy misread one. Rtfc is very important and I'm glad it's being enforced. Good luck, have fun!
Mindskinner is a replacement effect. You can't apply two replacement effects to the same damage. So they turn 10 damage into 10 cards milled, not into 10 + 10.
I've been questioning this for years, but honestly, I think the new rule is going to be very fun, because it will help them learn what cards do, and they will be cracking jokes about it the whole time.
I’ve been saying for YEARS that 4 players, plus a producer, one of which was a pro tour player, missing as much as they do was ridiculous. So I’m going to love this new rule.
9:16 All that was missing was Corey blinking something in morse code. "Jon is a secret Sliver lover." 20:21 Jeremy just saved Jon from losing 2 points. What a bro.
Ill never forget the episode jon played approach of the second sun the first time and everyone just assumed he won the game i was so confused as to what happened😂 so its funny he made that rule good luck😂😂
From a viewer standpoint I appreciate this new rule because there were a couple games that were unbearable to watch due to playing things wrong. I get it, it happens to everyone and everyone makes mistakes.
when playing They Came From the Pipes you resolve the manifest dread twice before drawing any cards because the etb ability of manifest dread twice is all one abiliity and you need to finish resolving the ability before going to the second ability of draw a card when a face down creature enters
(The second "prevent effect" doesn't work, all damage has been converted to mill, there's no more damage to prevent) From the gatherer: 20/09/2024 If you somehow control more than one of The Mindskinner, the multiple replacement effects will have no effect. Damage dealt to an opponent by a source you control will be replaced only once with that opponent milling that many cards. EDIT: But you get the 🐛🐛🐛scute maths in the end quite right . GGs,
Hey, I made the comment about the Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal win by Stephen Commander VS 406 | Season 38 Episode 01 and that "I feel like this is something that is on Stephen. It's played so badly I feel like he shouldn't earn his full points." Win for the comment section!
Also the fog bank does die to the fight from the beast card.. It specifically says combat damage. Unsure who that goes on. John did say the fog bank was good from the beasts. XD
World spine wurm is discarded and returns itself to the Library. Then when mesmeric is resolving it just loops through the orbs effect mill replace -> library continue mill
Great new rule, love that it's a way to lose points rather than gain more points. Just hope this doesn't incentivise intentionally missing something to make the person lose the points.
He said he didn't. Kudos to whomever built the deck for knowing it needed that contingency. I've been playing Zimone in my Sidisi list and when the manifests get rolling, you run out of deck real quick.
I love this pod because depending on what decks and who’s playing how I find myself rooting for a different player and wishing for the inglorious downfall of another almost every game. Happy New Years to y’all and to many more fantastic games and hilarious moments.
Make poison counters 21 aswell, nothing should be easier than commander damager in that format! (Just my opinion) 10 is way to easy to do, especially with cards like Arabella and grafted exoskeleton ❤ my favorite deck of the year on par with my endless Punishment deck
You have enough lands for scutes. You have 1 scute and 1 copy. 2 lands come into play. The first gives you 4 total including the original. 2nd land makes 8. Entering at the same time doesn't matter. They trigger separately.
I think you might misunderstand, or I'm misunderstanding you. If you have 2 Scute Swarms, and 2 lands come in to play at the same time (Entish Restoration), both of your Scute Swarms see 2 lands come into play, and they trigger twice each, so you get 4 triggers to make a copy Scute Swarm. None of the 4 newly created Scutes will see lands entering. Therefore, they do not trigger. 2 Scutes + 2 Lands entering at the same time = 6 Scutes.
@@PaulMFDouglas Each land is a separate trigger even if entering at the same time. So your 2 scutes see a land enter and double then your 4 scutes see the other land enter and you have 8.
@@OmegaMTG yeah its not though. they trigger at the same time and both of the lands do create a seperate trigger but they still only see whatever scutes were in play at that time they triggered. i play it alot irl and on arena
Already loving the new rule idea there folks, it's a solid rule since some people, ahem not naming names tend to not fully read the card. Because as the Professor would say "Reading the Card, Explains the Card"
On the land tax conversation, discarding a land is good simply for the thinning of the deck. If you are really that paranoid about it, play crucible of worlds.
Thats -2 points Mr.Green Rulings 9/20/2024If you somehow control more than one of The Mindskinner, the multiple replacement effects will have no effect. Damage dealt to an opponent by a source you control will be replaced only once with that opponent milling that many cards.
Is anyone else getting weird screen tearing whenever they transition cameras? I've noticed it on my phone and through my PS5 which is hardwired to rooter. I get 200GB down so shouldn't be our internet speed.
I will now point to Nylea, a hundred foot tall god with a bow... no reach. Height does not equate reach. Reach is arbitrarily added when they want just a bit more spice for the card.
This is caught by Jeremy later, but Jon does misrepresent his own board state which is visible at 45:35 Jon should have 47 scute swarm tokens, not 48. He has 1 scute swarm card and 11 tokens and has 2 lands enter throughout the turn. First changes it to 1 scute swarm card and 23 tokens. Next land should be 1 scute swarm card and 47 tokens.
@@purpleslushie I don't mind those. The plot has to happen somehow, and I think it's a cool lore device, even if they haven't explained WHY some of the things have changed, like the de-sparkening.
This channel needs a judge. "All of you creatures are lands in addition" means a creature etb equals landfall triggers...20 tokens are 20 lands. I used to watch this channel alot but I can't believe they have played longer than I have and I know how to keep track of triggers and abilities. I know alot of new cards are introduced but all they do is sit there, read the cards over and over and still forget how they built their own decks or what is in front of them.
If you are talking about Jon and his Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, Ashaya specifically says that only Non-token creatures are lands so the scute swarm tokens don't trigger themselves.
Turns could go much quicker if the chit chat was cut down. I know it's a buddy pod and that's part of the gimmick, but when i find myself ffwd through each turn until something in the game actually happens, it's not a positive thing.
58:26, Jon says, "Let's go to upkeep." So... it *is* his turn when the 96 additional scutes enter play? (Not a huge deal as it was an action that could have been done on the end of Corey's turn, but he *did* say it.)
No, they acknowledged that they existed but he didn't update the number because he thought he was dead. He mentions afterwards that he didn't know the deck had worldspine wurm
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The Nadu reread intro was priceless 😂
11/10 😂
Having 2 Mindskinners does not double the mill. Being a replacement effect that prevents damage, these do not stack
Thats -2 points stephen green
Came here to say this lol def -2 to Green
@@alanpulido3205 Or is that they read the card but didn't understand the rules about replacement effects? Because they said rules screw ups don't count.
Came to post this same thing.
Same
THIS IS THE BEST NEW RULE EVER I AM SO EXCITED!
It's a keeper
Agree!, and we didn't even have to wait next episdoe for a reading mistake: at 30:50 Looks like Jeremy drew 1 card and Steven drew 2 from the Arcane Denial delayed trigger. Should be the opposite :P Who's at fault here? Not sure, Jeremy and Jon seems to suggest the wrong effect, while Steven did play the card. LOL.
@@kandjar Jeremy picked up 2 cards in one motion, you can see them when he holds them over the battlefield. Steven drew 2, 1 from Arcane Denial and then the 2nd as draw from turn. Seems good to me
Great decision on the -2 point rule. Gonna force Stephen, Jon, and Corey to read new cards better. I can't remember the last time Jeremy misread one. Rtfc is very important and I'm glad it's being enforced. Good luck, have fun!
Mindskinner is a replacement effect. You can't apply two replacement effects to the same damage. So they turn 10 damage into 10 cards milled, not into 10 + 10.
I like Jeremy's comment: "I can build Anabelle with cheap cards...." few minutes later: turn 1 land tax, turn 2 esper sentinel...
cheap mana cost vs cheap dollar cost?
7:50 "I built it cheaply at home. I don't have my own esper Sentinel or ocelot..BUT we're just running back the deck we played last time for this."
Always love the gameplay, even with the occasional not reading the full card. Best commander channel on RUclips!
Happy New Year everyone! We all love you! 🎉🎉🎉
Happy new year!
Corey, that acting was pretty good during the Nadu skit.
Why thank you! I have taken acting 1 AND acting two in high school. Be impressed! 😂
Corey confidently playing Rhystic Study only to forget about Trygon Predator is super funny! 😂
How do these guys not have a dedicated judge on staff by this point? Lol
I've been questioning this for years, but honestly, I think the new rule is going to be very fun, because it will help them learn what cards do, and they will be cracking jokes about it the whole time.
I’ve been saying for YEARS that 4 players, plus a producer, one of which was a pro tour player, missing as much as they do was ridiculous. So I’m going to love this new rule.
they dont get enough views and they dont just get free money from money tree from kickstarters like the prof
It adds to the charm
Literally cried with Nadu joke!! Bless you all!!
9:16 All that was missing was Corey blinking something in morse code.
"Jon is a secret Sliver lover."
20:21 Jeremy just saved Jon from losing 2 points. What a bro.
Ill never forget the episode jon played approach of the second sun the first time and everyone just assumed he won the game i was so confused as to what happened😂 so its funny he made that rule good luck😂😂
Jeremy, i love your hoodie. Good style.
What's this a early episode is this some New Year's magic 🎉
From a viewer standpoint I appreciate this new rule because there were a couple games that were unbearable to watch due to playing things wrong. I get it, it happens to everyone and everyone makes mistakes.
52:05: Corey, 6 ➗2 = 3
Ah but you forgot to round up 😂
It was a long day! Haha
Have a blessed and prosperous New Year to everyone at SCG!! Y'all are my favorite card shop and content creators!
You always take the three lands with land tax... You made the right choice Jeremy.
Jon completely misreading/playing Shizos Storehouse and killing Jeremy at the practical beginning of the episode.
@@SSJ4GundamWingGoku we’re so back baby!!
Jon misreading a card? Color me shocked!
Corey seemed so volunteerly pick his favorite commander. I wonder why he likes big cows so much.
Came for the New Years. Stayed because I heard Coheed ?? Love that outta you SCG
Starting this episode and hearing the new rule laughing to myself, knowing full well Jon's about to have -100 points
when playing They Came From the Pipes you resolve the manifest dread twice before drawing any cards because the etb ability of manifest dread twice is all one abiliity and you need to finish resolving the ability before going to the second ability of draw a card when a face down creature enters
Love you guys, happy new year!
Came here to say that I laughed pretty hard at the Nadu-joke. Loved it!
Haven't seen the episode yet, but I can say that is a great rules. Its beyond enraging watching a card played wrong due to misreading. Gj Jon
(The second "prevent effect" doesn't work, all damage has been converted to mill, there's no more damage to prevent)
From the gatherer:
20/09/2024 If you somehow control more than one of The Mindskinner, the multiple replacement effects will have no effect. Damage dealt to an opponent by a source you control will be replaced only once with that opponent milling that many cards.
EDIT: But you get the 🐛🐛🐛scute maths in the end quite right . GGs,
Glad to see Stephen Green hasn’t forgotten the face of his father. 14:30
I loved the Corey deck intro bit, perfectly executed
Hey, I made the comment about the Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal win by Stephen Commander VS 406 | Season 38 Episode 01 and that "I feel like this is something that is on Stephen. It's played so badly I feel like he shouldn't earn his full points."
Win for the comment section!
Coreys intro was amazing 😂
Super hyped to watch a game with 3 of the commanders I built this year! And also, great new rule!
Also the fog bank does die to the fight from the beast card.. It specifically says combat damage. Unsure who that goes on. John did say the fog bank was good from the beasts. XD
That nadu bit was priceless xD🤣🤣🤣🤣
john ur welcome for the rule suggestion happy new year scg team
Did John manifest dread right at the end? Looked like he only looked at 1 and manifested it? Should he not discard the last card? And then draw it?
World spine wurm is discarded and returns itself to the Library. Then when mesmeric is resolving it just loops through the orbs effect mill replace -> library continue mill
I think it would be cool to see you guys play your personal decks on the show if possible for an episode
Great new rule, love that it's a way to lose points rather than gain more points.
Just hope this doesn't incentivise intentionally missing something to make the person lose the points.
any deck lists available? I am working on both a Arabella and a Zimone deck at the moment and would love some more ideas
Wow what a finish, Worldspine Worm reshuffle ftw. I am wondering if Jon even knew he had that out?
He said he didn't. Kudos to whomever built the deck for knowing it needed that contingency. I've been playing Zimone in my Sidisi list and when the manifests get rolling, you run out of deck real quick.
I love this pod because depending on what decks and who’s playing how I find myself rooting for a different player and wishing for the inglorious downfall of another almost every game. Happy New Years to y’all and to many more fantastic games and hilarious moments.
Somebody send them a meme of Jeremy as one of the wall priests in Attack on Titan. "That wall just keeps on walling!" 😆
love you guys....happy new ear
Dig the new rule. One i thought of was the search timer is shortened from thirty seconds to five.
As someone turning 40 this year, we are not old. We are slightly aged.
Like fine wine no?
More like a nice whiskey.
Nope, yall are old, and I'm right there with you.
The hostage video with Corey was great! No more Nadu!! Lol
Make poison counters 21 aswell, nothing should be easier than commander damager in that format! (Just my opinion) 10 is way to easy to do, especially with cards like Arabella and grafted exoskeleton ❤ my favorite deck of the year on par with my endless Punishment deck
Like, comment, share, subscribe, enjoy an early episode, binge, and ring in a new rule
Wouldn't the manifest cards/creatures also be lands and create triggers?
This was basically the exact rule i was hoping for
Corey’s intro is great! 😂
You have enough lands for scutes. You have 1 scute and 1 copy. 2 lands come into play. The first gives you 4 total including the original. 2nd land makes 8. Entering at the same time doesn't matter. They trigger separately.
I think you might misunderstand, or I'm misunderstanding you.
If you have 2 Scute Swarms, and 2 lands come in to play at the same time (Entish Restoration), both of your Scute Swarms see 2 lands come into play, and they trigger twice each, so you get 4 triggers to make a copy Scute Swarm.
None of the 4 newly created Scutes will see lands entering. Therefore, they do not trigger.
2 Scutes + 2 Lands entering at the same time = 6 Scutes.
@@PaulMFDouglas Each land is a separate trigger even if entering at the same time. So your 2 scutes see a land enter and double then your 4 scutes see the other land enter and you have 8.
@@OmegaMTG yeah its not though. they trigger at the same time and both of the lands do create a seperate trigger but they still only see whatever scutes were in play at that time they triggered. i play it alot irl and on arena
@@ThePhantomNishoba Got it now. I've been doing it wrong all this time.
@@OmegaMTG its an easy mistake to make and i wouldnt feel bad. literally everyone makes mistakes in mtg :D
Already loving the new rule idea there folks, it's a solid rule since some people, ahem not naming names tend to not fully read the card.
Because as the Professor would say "Reading the Card, Explains the Card"
(Unless it doesn't)* is the new addendum to that.
I thought ashaya counts creatures as lands when they ETB, johns commander would if made him draw from a empty library
On the land tax conversation, discarding a land is good simply for the thinning of the deck. If you are really that paranoid about it, play crucible of worlds.
Honestly it's a good call not to thin when you know the pod has a mill deck
Thats -2 points Mr.Green
Rulings
9/20/2024If you somehow control more than one of The Mindskinner, the multiple replacement effects will have no effect. Damage dealt to an opponent by a source you control will be replaced only once with that opponent milling that many cards.
Will this be another season of John playing to win and everyone else just there?
Big fan of the new rule from Jon, getting a card so wrong that it warps the game should have an effect on your points
At 51:00 it seems like Corey doesn't mill to mesmeric orb, not sure if that is -2 to Corey or Steven or if that just a miss trigger.
In your gifting episodes, who's getting banding? 🤣
👍
Sad robot is so 2024. It's now called Depressed Droid. :)
On a technicality, Bonny brings in an Ox creature not a Cow, so putting a Cow token is an incorrect action.
I hope this rule becomes a permenant rule, it's so good.
Does the new rule count multiple times per game
Or once per game per player?
Well, it is good to know that the comment section is going to be filled with even more rules lawyering. I'm not sure about this new rule.
Rtfc... read the frigging card😅
Wouldn't Fog Bank die to Ezuri's Predation?
Yes, it only prevents combat damage.
Yup. Came here to say this.
-4 for steven
Steven got so sad when his 2 minds mindskinner were taken off the board by jeremy
Lol yep. He basically just gave up for the night
Is anyone else getting weird screen tearing whenever they transition cameras?
I've noticed it on my phone and through my PS5 which is hardwired to rooter. I get 200GB down so shouldn't be our internet speed.
How do they not know Bonny Paul is Paul Bunyun and he's like a hundred feet tall which equates to reach. Lol
I will now point to Nylea, a hundred foot tall god with a bow... no reach. Height does not equate reach. Reach is arbitrarily added when they want just a bit more spice for the card.
Suarez saying “mommy” is not something I expected to hear today and I wish I hadn’t
It wasn't on my bingo card
49:11 skull clamp gives +1/-1, not -1/-1...
14:28
You have forgotten the face of your Father 🗣
Thank you Jon!! This is genius!
Love your new rule John!!!!!!!!!!
The cow token is the best card this game it looks so grumpy
What is Jeremys hoodie???
If I may: I'd appreciate if the cards were on screen longer so I don't have to pause the video to read them. Yes I admit I'm a plebeian
48 is under 50. 5 adults in a room with calculators on their phones kept guessing 3×48 is over 150. Bruh. Lol
Corey is screwed. New rule is great. Tired of Corey going "ok I play this destroy that"... and john going "that's just a basic forest read the card"
This is caught by Jeremy later, but Jon does misrepresent his own board state which is visible at 45:35
Jon should have 47 scute swarm tokens, not 48.
He has 1 scute swarm card and 11 tokens and has 2 lands enter throughout the turn. First changes it to 1 scute swarm card and 23 tokens. Next land should be 1 scute swarm card and 47 tokens.
Love the new Rule
YES ANOTHER DUSKMOURN EPISODE
And Bonny Pall is here too for... some reason?
@davidrosenberg9615 that's because of the multitudes of plot devices that popped up everywhere. I'm sorry, omen paths.
@@purpleslushie I don't mind those. The plot has to happen somehow, and I think it's a cool lore device, even if they haven't explained WHY some of the things have changed, like the de-sparkening.
I just realized Cori is in the Arabella flavor text. Yes I know different spellings.
27:45 hell yeah lol
dada-buck dada-ben, mill you guys for ten
Wish you all a good start in the year 2025 and everytime a good hand😉🍀🍀🍀
COREY! Language! My f'ing ears!
This channel needs a judge. "All of you creatures are lands in addition" means a creature etb equals landfall triggers...20 tokens are 20 lands. I used to watch this channel alot but I can't believe they have played longer than I have and I know how to keep track of triggers and abilities. I know alot of new cards are introduced but all they do is sit there, read the cards over and over and still forget how they built their own decks or what is in front of them.
If you are talking about Jon and his Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, Ashaya specifically says that only Non-token creatures are lands so the scute swarm tokens don't trigger themselves.
Turns could go much quicker if the chit chat was cut down. I know it's a buddy pod and that's part of the gimmick, but when i find myself ffwd through each turn until something in the game actually happens, it's not a positive thing.
Good rule indeed
Me: Bonny Pall is underrated ;p
58:26, Jon says, "Let's go to upkeep." So... it *is* his turn when the 96 additional scutes enter play? (Not a huge deal as it was an action that could have been done on the end of Corey's turn, but he *did* say it.)
No, they acknowledged that they existed but he didn't update the number because he thought he was dead. He mentions afterwards that he didn't know the deck had worldspine wurm
I believe you can't mill 20 with a copy of mindskinner it's only 10
great rule rtf
Coheed is always worth it.
42:48 IHYD!!