Hi ladies, nice to meet you again :) This is one of the best interpretations of the lyrics that I have heard so far, it coincides to a large extent with my interpretation. It is obvious from the structure of the song that it is about a duality (good - bad for example), that it is about an evolution, like life (the relentless flow of the river to the sea) and the souls of children (people / mortals, in their passage through life ) are the subject of this permanent conflict. But your interpretations of some of the lyrics are very significant. Thank you!
You have to really understand the movie that went with this album to see how it fits in. Tuomas often uses the metaphor of a river as representing the flow of life. with a beginning and an end. You can't stop the flow, but enjoy the ride, taking both the good, the bad, and the scary as it comes by along the shore. "It's a scary ride we'd give anything to take." I think you got the interpretation of the lyrics pretty darn well!
@@generationgapreacts I concur with Chris. The movie will really give you deeper insight into the themes of the songs on the album. The movie and album were companion pieces. It's really QUITE good. Tuomas co-wrote the film (as if he didn't have enough talent already)! It's available here on YT, link below. Maybe you could react to ???? Hint: all the band members at the time are in it, plus Troy (not yet a member). ruclips.net/video/VN3ViMxnVUE/видео.html
Marko's part is the voice of fear -- fear of death; Floor's part is the calming voice, the assuring voice, reaching into you and gently caressing you heart... assuring you that there is nothing to fear at all. There is deep love in her voice, and love allays all fears.
I often cry, wen I hear this song. My bonus daughter, became a drugaddict when se was only 14 The fear of loosing her to the drugs, and the fight, getting her out of it.. Ghost River, describes it so well we thought it was over, then a new wawe came, and took her away again. All the little islands, to give some rest. I love and hate this song at the same time. Fortunately, she has been out of druga, for almost a year now, so we cross our fingers, but it has taken us around 6 years to get here. Toumas is a genius with lyrics. He really know how to describe the aspects of life.
Hello from Finland. I have been struggling last 10 years myself with medicine use, that started after I experienced hc burnout. For me, my daughter (she is only child I have) have been my motivation and healer in that sense. Its been couple years going better for me now, and hope to continue start working again soon. Your story touched me, and I hope nothing but best to all of you.
One of my Nightwish favorites. My favorite part, by far, is Emppu hopping at the beginning of the breakdown, then striking the ultimate guitar god pose while playing the line. There is so much energy in this song! The more you listen to it, the more you learn to love it. It really is about the light and dark, but it's so hopeful. Great analysis, Baby Gap ... and don't worry, Mama Bear ... nobody is gonna take your only child. Nobody is strong enough! The love is mighty!
@@generationgapreacts Emppu won two times in a row Finnish Champioship in judo and was third in the All European contest, so he's rather flexible still - perhaps he has some practice as a bouncer of owereager fans? Otherwise Emppu is about 5" 2 (?Joe Pesci?) Pocket rocket you ask to come with you in odd party 🤓
Good call on the evil person, and the underworld vibes. Tuomas has said that this song is a duel between the Devil and Mother Gaia. Yes, Marko and Floor always sounded good together. Love the back and forth vocals. Good catch on Floor's growls. The studio version is from the Imaginaerum album, with Anette and Marko singing. Here at Wacken it was song #4, just before Everdream , which is why Floor said a softer start in the Everdream intro. Another song with Floor and Marko going back and forth is Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean (Buenos Aires 2018 show)
I think certainly he was the evil presence, the troll under the bridge. Floor (the female vocal) was the siren enticing those to the ‘river’ to meet their fate. Enjoyable reaction from you both as always.
Quote "This was one of the first songs to be written for Imaginaerum and was described by keyboardist and composer-in-chief, Tuomas Holopainen, as, "a duel between the Devil and Mother Gaia." (Mother Gaia is the goddess who the ancients believed represented Earth). He explained to Metal Hammer magazine: "Since this is a dramatic album about the celebration of life and existence, you need the dark side as well. I love the dark side and I love all kinds of evil stuff, so we needed a few songs to describe those. 'Ghost River' and 'Rest Calm' are the two songs that are talking about the dark side of life.""
Mum's right in her interpretation ( of course ) . The song is a metaphor for the travails of life and the constant battle of good against evil that runs through everyone's life at some point and the triumph of hope over despair
Interestingly, several of the songs in the set list are mentioned in other songs. "Ghost River" is mentioned (as river ghost) "Song of Myself" (as is "Storytime"). "Dark Chest of Wonders" is mentioned in another song. Many are interconnected.
when i 1st heard this song i believed what you do but the more i listen i think FLOOR is the irresistible siren luring the children into the river and MARCO is the old troll who has been around and is warning of her plans.
I think you both interpreted it well. Tuomas described this as a “duel between the Devil and mother Gaia”. (Mythical goddess representing Earth, essentially mother Earth, or Mother Nature) You can figure out which was which. He felt the album was a celebration of life on earth, and it needed something from the dark side as well. I “definitely” think you should check out how this Wacken show started, with Dark Chest of Wonders. Love the channel.
Well done Ladies !!!! This song is from "Imaginaerum" (the seventh studio album from Anette era). Marko has great menacing tone here , and Floor Growls ( only few will notes this ). Plus , this song has a crazy Van Halen Vibe to it ( Van Halen - Aint Talkin' Bout Love comes to mind ). This song took me several listens and deep dive at first , and now I listen this song daily . Love this song !!! Nightwish Shadow Unit From Estonia 🤘😎🤘
The song is about facing your fears (represented as a dangerous river) and the dangers of life in order to live it to the full. This is what Tuomas more or less said when he explained what he wrote it about. Marko represents the fears, the horrors of life and Floor the positive side, in a verbal duel with each other. On this occasion, Mother knows best!
Great song and great reaction!! I love the contrast between Floor and Marco in this song and it’s such a banger! Another really good Floor/Marco song is Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean where Marco plays the devil and Floor plays a mermaid. The way they play off of each other in this “love song” is awesome. The live version from The Decades Tour in Buenos Aires is the best. ❤️ you ladies!!
Ah, one of my favorite hard driving songs from Nightwish. Really enjoyed watching your reactions and interpretations. Think you two pretty much understand the song.
Almost anything Tuomas writes is interpretive, but for me, Marko to me was the the harsh yet warning voice of what awaits you if you cross. Floor was like a Ghost/Siren beckoning you to come across to your demise, sweetly. Nice reaction.
Great interpretation. I feel like this one is more ambiguous in meaning than others. I picture an old man trying to scare children from crossing the dangerous river, while a siren is all sweet-talk and luring them in (watch the way she dance and growl, that's not a clear "good guy" character). Yuka is having a masterclass as usual, extremely fun to watch and he doesn't even know if anyone can see him behind the drums.
One of the Nightwish music genre, Dark Groovy Metal The first impression is watch out for the dangerous type performing by Marco but also for the beautiful sound of the dangerous Siren, she's not as innocent as she's looking.
Love your reactions, and also, we have to appreciate the Mother here clearly not enjoying the music that much, but still listen to it and "gets is", good job there, and yes there is more Jukka to come ;)
I love the imagery Tuomas uses in this song and the way i've always thought of it is like the river is a test. Marko is the voice trying to tempt you to his side, he's the embodiment of depression and all the negative things we might think of, time running out etc... But Floor is the one trying to give you hope. Marko uses threats of you ending up in this riverbed ghost town if you give up, Floor is saying don't lose heart, let yourself bleed but leave a footprint on every island you see, it's okay to feel pain, but let it make you stronger. What i find cool about this song is how they both sing the line 'do come across'. They both want you to succeed, they both want you to fight the current. They both see that you have value.
When younger I would have "Definitely" ate this up, but today it and others in it's Genetic Class of Sound, weighs heavy on my various vestige remnants of my brain (that through meditation and other means had it all under control for a long time), that controls my adrenaline and compulsive behavior to go as fast I can, as long as I can, until whatever machine I'm hanging onto either dis-integrates or grinds down to nothing. So it's in my best interest to try and stick with my old classic rock standbys.
The way I read this song is that the ghost is the dream of what you want to accomplish and the river is the obstacle (real or imagined) that is trying to stop you from accomplishing your dream.
Greetings again from UK I do so love your reactions and I eagerly anticipate the next one that you do May I say that you are both looking particularly gorgeous today, lovely outfits 😊 The way that this song was described to me is that Marko is voicing fear and that Floor is telling children not to be afraid, and not to let fear stop them from living their best life! The next song on the list is 'Dark Chest Of Wonders' and was the show opening song for this concert. This was the first time that most of the fans had seen Floor as she had only been with the band for 10 months before this concert Now this is how a band should open a show! Just imagine being in the crowd just in front of the stage 😁
Great reaction and interpretation by both of you. What a team you two make. I love this song for its vicious contrasts. As I say with many, many of the Nightwish live performances, the entire band just crushes this. So much fun and thank you for this reaction.
I love that you pay attention to the lyrics and try to make your own interpretations of them! Not all reactors do, but I think Tuomas' lyrics are so interesting they deserve some thought, thanks for the reaction!
Oh I forgot, please do react Tuomas' interviews. There are many. He is so brilliant and intelligent humble gentleman ❤and so good at writing and composing songs. Don't ever forget that.
That was definitely dramatic. Very theatrical. The contrast between the guy who’s name I definitely don’t know and Floor was pronounced. I was impressed with the drummer too. Most definitely.
Floor and Marko are playing roles in this song. Marko plays the dark river spirit and Floor plays the mother Gaia role. Floor is urging the children and all of us to take a chance. Cross the river and pursue your dreams. We only live once. There is no choice but to live life to its fullest. Don't be afraid. Remember Tuomas uses lots of metaphors to portray emotions and different aspects of life. The term rape is definitely being used metaphorically. The River wild (Ghost River) is representing the journey of life. IMHO. Being raped and drown is a metaphor for being stripped of your childhood innocence. All children start with a joy for life. The world takes it from us as we grow and experience the turmoil of real life as an adult. The troll once again is the darkness and danger which lies underneath the bridge which leads to our dreams. Think of all these lyrics in this regard. Or find your own meaning. Loved it ladies. Some of the best stories have an underlying darkness which adds to the mystery and excitement of the ride. Be well lovey ladies! Peace and love. Hope to see you again very soon.
I have been enjoying your reactions to Nightwish. I want to suggest another symphonic metal band, Elvellon, from Germany. The song Born From Hope is one of my favorites.
Happy Valentines day my friends 🤗This song has been interpreted so many ways, here's mine. Marko is a river demon trying to lure children to their deaths, and Floor is Gaia, the spirit of the Earth trying to guide them across. Although, as Tuomas once said when asked the meaning of a song "It means whatever you need it to", so there is that 😁
I DEFINITELY love to listen to both of you! And as you so ELOQUENTLY put it, when you get to know Your people, you feel more connected. Much Love to You both and Ukraine 💙💛💙🌻🌻🌻
I love it the way you complete each other throughout your line of thoughts haha. Also how the “daughter” (sorry don’t recall ur name rnw) uses her own words to “translate” her thoughts are awesome!! That’s like a superpower which I don’t have LOL
For me, this song is about the inner turmoil people experience when wanting something that comes with risk. Marko is warning about the risks, Floor is encouraging taking the chance
Marco is the warning trying to scare off the Kids away from the river. where are Floor was trying to use the lovely, came voice to call the Kids to come on across.
Marko represents the devil or Satan, the taker of souls ..... Floor is mother Gaia and the song the struggle between the two. Gaia (mother earth) is a recurring theme in Tuomas's works, and the use of the word Gaia can be heard in Storytime early in the lyrics, and in the song The Greatest Show on Earth, the lyric "the mother of all" can be heard, and again used in a thematic way to what the song is about. Tuomas's works are always so beautifully deep and meaningful!
I don't think Marko represents death or evil, but just the scary dark part of life, which is represented by the flowing river, she is like Mother Gia talking back to him, why she growled at him to back off. At the end was her opened voice, & arms invitation to join the ride, without fear. Dance on in, LOL! Thanks for catching Floor's growl, guys never do,they just assume it's Marko.
I guess you got it. As Tuomas said: Everybody reads it different. Sure it makes sense. The Lyrics are Metaphers, Poetry. For me it also represents Hope and the Joy of Live as well...Life and Death.The River. Stoic a little bit. (Going by the Flow.)
Good interpretation and many comments below explaining more. In particular, I second Chris Tomashofski's comment that watching the film Imaginaerum puts a lot more context around every song on the album. Several things about Ghost River stand out to me: Floor soaring legato over Marco's gritty staccato bass line Floor doing the sultry dance moves at one point Emppu bouncing sideways across the stage; and his gesture near the beginning, shrugging "nothing for me to do here" Floors subtle drop into a growl - blink and you'll miss it The way Floor drops in and out of grit/distortion in the same phrase The guitar line is much more complex than you might think - there's some strange rhythm stuff going on in there
Great interpretations! I see both characters as being so much bigger than human they work on a different level with different concerns, so while Marko's Devil represents the negative, death and destruction, Floor's Gaea will still crush you - just (com)passionately. From the Earth we came, and to it we will return. Please do react to the _Imaginaerum_ movie sometime (bring tissues if you've had to cope with family members with dementia, though).
Goood reaction!! Maybe you have to look yours own time Argentiina 2012 concert. There you can see lot Jukkas drumming and how good he look behind drums😉. Showman!👌👌👌
As much as ya'll really like to delve into the lyrics you need to listen to the Imaginarium album as a whole. Tuomas said the album as a whole tells a story. The second track of the album is Storytime which sets the tone and theme for the rest of the album. Of course many others have mentioned the companion movie. Ya'll have already reacted to a few of the song off the album. Here's a full track listing. 1.Taikatalvi 2.*Storytime 3.Ghost River 4.Slow, Love, Slow 5.I Want My Tears Back 6.Scaretale 7.Arabesque (instrumental) 8.Turn Loose the Mermaids 9.Rest Calm 10.The Crow, the Owl, and the Dove 11.Last Ride of the Day 12.Song of Myself 13. Imaginaerum Tracks 2, 3, 5, 11, and 12 were performed at the Wacken 2013 concert. I'd recommend reacting to those along with tracks 4 and 6 before starting to listen to the album as a whole.
A tiny little detail most people won't pick up. When Emppu is standing at Tuomas's riser at the beginning and he amusingly shrugs his shoulders at having nothing to play, that hit me as particularly funny. Because for that album 'Imaginaerum' Emppu had only two or three guitar solos on the entire album, and all he did on guitar was just chug along with the melody on every song. On that one Tuomas was far more enamoured with the orchestral parts than the metal. So the guitar was kind of an afterthought. I'm sure Emppu recorded all of his parts in a week.
Thx for another reaction. I saw it from the beginning that this one definitely wasn't the favorite for one of you...😁. But it's just ok and fair. I used to like this song very much, but for me the heavier stuff that I've become just recently to know, Wintersun, just is not that intense in rythm, even though the lyrics are very dark, and there's a lot of male growling (coming out from a guy with just one lung). I could easily think this one of Nightwish could actually be played in a disco. Surely Nightwish has many really heavy songs I love, many of them are from their early production and the most of them cannot be seen live at all. During my years with Nightwish (and thanks to them) I've found other great bands too. One especially to mention is this Wintersun, whose two former full time members also are now playing in Nightwish. Kai's drumming abilities can really be seen and heard in this bands production. And Jukka, the new bassist, has song a few backgrounds there. So in fact I would like to hear him in some parts in Nightwish too.
It is one of there more heavier songs due to there lyrics. Fortunatly for you ladies Nightwish also has more nicer lighthearted songs to enjoy. But while you there do check out Tuomas side projects and more of Floor's own music including Beste Zangers but best to get this from her page as RUclips loves hitting people with copy rights. Thank you
Marco is like the storyteller warning the villagers or scaring them into listening and Floor is the evil siren trying to sucker everyone in with her beauty and song! That's my take, so they are kind of playing opposite to what you at first hear and think.
Great reaction ladies. Your analysis was spot on. I have heard this song explained two different ways. The first Marko's character is trying to lure you to an evil end and Floor is a beautful mother character calling you to cross the bridge to safety. The second is Marko is a benevolent troll warning you of what awaits if you cross the bridge and Floor is the SIren/Witch trying to sweetly lure you across the bridge. Good catch on the growly voice from Floor. To hear another side of Marko's voice and very appropriate for Valentine's day would be Kiss Why Your Lips are still Red, live from Wembley. Probably my favorite Marko song with him singing lead. A very sweet song about innocent young love where Marko's vocie is so emotional and vulnerable. Another great example is Marko singing Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan as a lullaby for Jukka's newborn child. ruclips.net/video/-XBZutbxSf4/видео.html.
Too bad in the last 2 years and in the future, Nightwish have not or will not ever sing this song again. No Marko. But time moves on. Ghost River is just really badass.
Lovebites. Have I recommended them to you? My other favorite band in addition to Nightwish. They bring it though. Where Nightwish is symphonic metal, Lovebites is full-on power metal. They have some things that change the pace up too, and some surprises with piano. Lots of things. I'll recommend them though, in case you want to check out something different, or add them to your pool of possible reactions. I think they're amazing. I'll suggest Holy War, live from Zepp. It's the standard first reaction for them, but if you go deeper, other songs of theirs are my favorites. ruclips.net/video/bgAxpEpEcno/видео.html
Finnish folklore has plenty of water spirit characters, what with all the sea, lakes, and rivers around, so the river ghost is likely an allusion to an evil water demon character (Nakki?), associated with the drowned, particularly kids, e.g. "don't swim too deep or the demon will get you". Imaginaerum, the album this comes from, is steeped in folklore and this particular character, I believe, is not unique to Finland either
I started laughing before I even hit play. You are correct with the dark and light. Not one of my favorites. I like Devil in the Deep Dark Ocean better with this same vibe.
I love this song and I love this short but deep growl from Floor.What I don't like is this eternally long growl she did before her time on Nightwish. That's why I don't like Jinjer, for example.
I’m sure many of you watching and listening must love this kind of music. I believe each to their own. This is not my kind of music, don’t care for it.
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Hi ladies, nice to meet you again :)
This is one of the best interpretations of the lyrics that I have heard so far, it coincides to a large extent with my interpretation. It is obvious from the structure of the song that it is about a duality (good - bad for example), that it is about an evolution, like life (the relentless flow of the river to the sea) and the souls of children (people / mortals, in their passage through life ) are the subject of this permanent conflict. But your interpretations of some of the lyrics are very significant. Thank you!
You have to really understand the movie that went with this album to see how it fits in. Tuomas often uses the metaphor of a river as representing the flow of life. with a beginning and an end. You can't stop the flow, but enjoy the ride, taking both the good, the bad, and the scary as it comes by along the shore. "It's a scary ride we'd give anything to take." I think you got the interpretation of the lyrics pretty darn well!
Thank you so much and thank you for explaining Tuomas’ River metaphor
The Imaginaerum movie is available here on RUclips (featuring the Anette Olzon era Nightwish)
ruclips.net/video/VN3ViMxnVUE/видео.html
@@generationgapreacts I concur with Chris. The movie will really give you deeper insight into the themes of the songs on the album. The movie and album were companion pieces. It's really QUITE good. Tuomas co-wrote the film (as if he didn't have enough talent already)! It's available here on YT, link below. Maybe you could react to ???? Hint: all the band members at the time are in it, plus Troy (not yet a member).
ruclips.net/video/VN3ViMxnVUE/видео.html
Marko's part is the voice of fear -- fear of death; Floor's part is the calming voice, the assuring voice, reaching into you and gently caressing you heart... assuring you that there is nothing to fear at all. There is deep love in her voice, and love allays all fears.
I often cry, wen I hear this song. My bonus daughter, became a drugaddict when se was only 14 The fear of loosing her to the drugs, and the fight, getting her out of it.. Ghost River, describes it so well we thought it was over, then a new wawe came, and took her away again. All the little islands, to give some rest. I love and hate this song at the same time.
Fortunately, she has been out of druga, for almost a year now, so we cross our fingers, but it has taken us around 6 years to get here.
Toumas is a genius with lyrics. He really know how to describe the aspects of life.
Hello from Finland. I have been struggling last 10 years myself with medicine use, that started after I experienced hc burnout. For me, my daughter (she is only child I have) have been my motivation and healer in that sense. Its been couple years going better for me now, and hope to continue start working again soon.
Your story touched me, and I hope nothing but best to all of you.
@@phm19880 she is, at the moment on the rigt track.. thanks and I do hope the best for you too. ❤
I love when Floor drops in her growl into the song. Perfect placement.
One of my Nightwish favorites. My favorite part, by far, is Emppu hopping at the beginning of the breakdown, then striking the ultimate guitar god pose while playing the line. There is so much energy in this song! The more you listen to it, the more you learn to love it. It really is about the light and dark, but it's so hopeful. Great analysis, Baby Gap ... and don't worry, Mama Bear ... nobody is gonna take your only child. Nobody is strong enough! The love is mighty!
Thank you Chad! Emppu is so incredible he makes playing guitar look effortless
@@generationgapreacts Did you see him hop?? It's such an Emppu thing to do! 🤣. Love you two!
@@generationgapreacts Emppu won two times in a row Finnish Champioship in judo and was third in the All European contest, so he's rather flexible still - perhaps he has some practice as a bouncer of
owereager fans? Otherwise Emppu is about 5" 2 (?Joe Pesci?) Pocket rocket you ask to come with you in odd party 🤓
That Jukka's twirling with those sticks ❤🥁
Good call on the evil person, and the underworld vibes. Tuomas has said that this song is a duel between the Devil and Mother Gaia.
Yes, Marko and Floor always sounded good together. Love the back and forth vocals. Good catch on Floor's growls. The studio version is from the Imaginaerum album, with Anette and Marko singing. Here at Wacken it was song #4, just before Everdream , which is why Floor said a softer start in the Everdream intro.
Another song with Floor and Marko going back and forth is Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean (Buenos Aires 2018 show)
Ooooh I can’t wait for them to get to devil and the deep dark ocean!!! Yesss👏👏👏
I think certainly he was the evil presence, the troll under the bridge. Floor (the female vocal) was the siren enticing those to the ‘river’ to meet their fate. Enjoyable reaction from you both as always.
Jukka ruled!!! 🤩🤩🤩
I think you've notice that was Floor making the "Dark Growls". Not Marko 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Everytime I hear this song it always reminds me of the story from the little red riding hood. Floor is the red riding hood and Marko is the wolf.
Quote "This was one of the first songs to be written for Imaginaerum and was described by keyboardist and composer-in-chief, Tuomas Holopainen, as, "a duel between the Devil and Mother Gaia." (Mother Gaia is the goddess who the ancients believed represented Earth). He explained to Metal Hammer magazine: "Since this is a dramatic album about the celebration of life and existence, you need the dark side as well. I love the dark side and I love all kinds of evil stuff, so we needed a few songs to describe those. 'Ghost River' and 'Rest Calm' are the two songs that are talking about the dark side of life.""
Epicness right there on that stage. 🙏❤️👍😊
🇬🇧 Norfolk reports for duty remember the first time i heard this loved it then love it now ! Rock sledgehammer with lipstick 😊
Definitely Marcomis a funny guy. Allegedly. Hahah
Even their darker stuff is beautiful
Mum's right in her interpretation ( of course ) . The song is a metaphor for the travails of life and the constant battle of good against evil that runs through everyone's life at some point and the triumph of hope over despair
Interestingly, several of the songs in the set list are mentioned in other songs. "Ghost River" is mentioned (as river ghost) "Song of Myself" (as is "Storytime"). "Dark Chest of Wonders" is mentioned in another song. Many are interconnected.
Congratulations you DEFINITELY did a good analysis on this one
I love yours reactions!😍😍😍and offcourse NW.
when i 1st heard this song i believed what you do but the more i listen i think FLOOR is the irresistible siren luring the children into the river and MARCO is the old troll who has been around and is warning of her plans.
I think you both interpreted it well. Tuomas described this as a “duel between the Devil and mother Gaia”. (Mythical goddess representing Earth, essentially mother Earth, or Mother Nature) You can figure out which was which. He felt the album was a celebration of life on earth, and it needed something from the dark side as well. I “definitely” think you should check out how this Wacken show started, with Dark Chest of Wonders. Love the channel.
Well done Ladies !!!!
This song is from "Imaginaerum" (the seventh studio album from Anette era).
Marko has great menacing tone here , and Floor Growls ( only few will notes this ). Plus , this song has a crazy Van Halen Vibe to it ( Van Halen - Aint Talkin' Bout Love comes to mind ).
This song took me several listens and deep dive at first , and now I listen this song daily . Love this song !!!
Nightwish Shadow Unit From Estonia 🤘😎🤘
The song is about facing your fears (represented as a dangerous river) and the dangers of life in order to live it to the full. This is what Tuomas more or less said when he explained what he wrote it about. Marko represents the fears, the horrors of life and Floor the positive side, in a verbal duel with each other.
On this occasion, Mother knows best!
2:14, Floor growls. 5:55, Floors second growl, visually obvious. Neat, huh!
For me the river is the flow of life itself.
Great song and great reaction!! I love the contrast between Floor and Marco in this song and it’s such a banger! Another really good Floor/Marco song is Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean where Marco plays the devil and Floor plays a mermaid. The way they play off of each other in this “love song” is awesome. The live version from The Decades Tour in Buenos Aires is the best. ❤️ you ladies!!
Hi Lori! Love that suggestion! It sounds very intriguing and we’ll have to react to it just for you
@@generationgapreacts be ready to be blown away by Floor’s vocals in this one!
You will DEFINITELY be blown away even more by Floors vocals in devil and the deep dark ocean!!😆
Ah, one of my favorite hard driving songs from Nightwish. Really enjoyed watching your reactions and interpretations. Think you two pretty much understand the song.
Almost anything Tuomas writes is interpretive, but for me, Marko to me was the the harsh yet warning voice of what awaits you if you cross. Floor was like a Ghost/Siren beckoning you to come across to your demise, sweetly. Nice reaction.
I love this song and this performance! ❤Floor, Marco is awesome! ❤Nightwish
Great interpretation.
I feel like this one is more ambiguous in meaning than others. I picture an old man trying to scare children from crossing the dangerous river, while a siren is all sweet-talk and luring them in (watch the way she dance and growl, that's not a clear "good guy" character).
Yuka is having a masterclass as usual, extremely fun to watch and he doesn't even know if anyone can see him behind the drums.
One of the Nightwish music genre,
Dark Groovy Metal
The first impression is watch out for the dangerous type performing by Marco but also for the beautiful sound of the dangerous Siren, she's not as innocent as she's looking.
Another great reaction to Nightwish, this is one of my favorites. Thank you ladies!
Love your reactions, and also, we have to appreciate the Mother here clearly not enjoying the music that much, but still listen to it and "gets is", good job there, and yes there is more Jukka to come ;)
I love the imagery Tuomas uses in this song and the way i've always thought of it is like the river is a test. Marko is the voice trying to tempt you to his side, he's the embodiment of depression and all the negative things we might think of, time running out etc... But Floor is the one trying to give you hope. Marko uses threats of you ending up in this riverbed ghost town if you give up, Floor is saying don't lose heart, let yourself bleed but leave a footprint on every island you see, it's okay to feel pain, but let it make you stronger.
What i find cool about this song is how they both sing the line 'do come across'. They both want you to succeed, they both want you to fight the current. They both see that you have value.
Could you please react to after forevers song dream flight with a young Floor Jansen in 2007
When younger I would have "Definitely" ate this up, but today it and others in it's Genetic Class of Sound, weighs heavy on my various vestige remnants of my brain (that through meditation and other means had it all under control for a long time), that controls my adrenaline and compulsive behavior to go as fast I can, as long as I can, until whatever machine I'm hanging onto either dis-integrates or grinds down to nothing. So it's in my best interest to try and stick with my old classic rock standbys.
The way I read this song is that the ghost is the dream of what you want to accomplish and the river is the obstacle (real or imagined) that is trying to stop you from accomplishing your dream.
I just love watching you two
Greetings again from UK
I do so love your reactions and I eagerly anticipate the next one that you do
May I say that you are both looking particularly gorgeous today, lovely outfits 😊
The way that this song was described to me is that Marko is voicing fear and that Floor is telling children not to be afraid, and not to let fear stop them from living their best life!
The next song on the list is 'Dark Chest Of Wonders' and was the show opening song for this concert. This was the first time that most of the fans had seen Floor as she had only been with the band for 10 months before this concert
Now this is how a band should open a show! Just imagine being in the crowd just in front of the stage 😁
Finally, Ghost River..
Great reaction and interpretation by both of you. What a team you two make. I love this song for its vicious contrasts. As I say with many, many of the Nightwish live performances, the entire band just crushes this. So much fun and thank you for this reaction.
This whole performance was incredible!
Really nice Interpretation. We love what you are doing. ...greetings
Definitely a great analysis!
I love that you pay attention to the lyrics and try to make your own interpretations of them! Not all reactors do, but I think Tuomas' lyrics are so interesting they deserve some thought, thanks for the reaction!
Oh I forgot, please do react Tuomas' interviews. There are many. He is so brilliant and intelligent humble gentleman ❤and so good at writing and composing songs. Don't ever forget that.
Now you need to do Yours Is An Empty Hope, where the tables are turned…Marko doing the “clean” vocals while Floor does full on death metal growls.
Ha, I really like the interpretation part!
That was definitely dramatic. Very theatrical. The contrast between the guy who’s name I definitely don’t know and Floor was pronounced. I was impressed with the drummer too. Most definitely.
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Floor and Marko are playing roles in this song. Marko plays the dark river spirit and Floor plays the mother Gaia role. Floor is urging the children and all of us to take a chance. Cross the river and pursue your dreams. We only live once. There is no choice but to live life to its fullest. Don't be afraid.
Remember Tuomas uses lots of metaphors to portray emotions and different aspects of life. The term rape is definitely being used metaphorically.
The River wild (Ghost River) is representing the journey of life. IMHO.
Being raped and drown is a metaphor for being stripped of your childhood innocence. All children start with a joy for life. The world takes it from us as we grow and experience the turmoil of real life as an adult.
The troll once again is the darkness and danger which lies underneath the bridge which leads to our dreams. Think of all these lyrics in this regard. Or find your own meaning.
Loved it ladies. Some of the best stories have an underlying darkness which adds to the mystery and excitement of the ride. Be well lovey ladies! Peace and love. Hope to see you again very soon.
I have been enjoying your reactions to Nightwish. I want to suggest another symphonic metal band, Elvellon, from Germany. The song Born From Hope is one of my favorites.
Happy Valentines day my friends 🤗This song has been interpreted so many ways, here's mine. Marko is a river demon trying to lure children to their deaths, and Floor is Gaia, the spirit of the Earth trying to guide them across. Although, as Tuomas once said when asked the meaning of a song "It means whatever you need it to", so there is that 😁
I DEFINITELY love to listen to both of you!
And as you so ELOQUENTLY put it, when you get to know Your people, you feel more connected.
Much Love to You both and Ukraine
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I love it the way you complete each other throughout your line of
thoughts haha. Also how the “daughter” (sorry don’t recall ur name rnw) uses her own words to “translate” her thoughts are awesome!! That’s like a superpower which I don’t have LOL
Lol thank you Gabriel!
For me, this song is about the inner turmoil people experience when wanting something that comes with risk. Marko is warning about the risks, Floor is encouraging taking the chance
Nobody does pinch harmonics on 🎸 like EMPPU, yea JUKKA is the bomb
Marco is the warning trying to scare off the Kids away from the river. where are Floor was trying to use the lovely, came voice to call the Kids to come on across.
Marko represents the devil or Satan, the taker of souls ..... Floor is mother Gaia and the song the struggle between the two. Gaia (mother earth) is a recurring theme in Tuomas's works, and the use of the word Gaia can be heard in Storytime early in the lyrics, and in the song The Greatest Show on Earth, the lyric "the mother of all" can be heard, and again used in a thematic way to what the song is about. Tuomas's works are always so beautifully deep and meaningful!
I don't think Marko represents death or evil, but just the scary dark part of life, which is represented by the flowing river, she is like Mother Gia talking back to him, why she growled at him to back off. At the end was her opened voice, & arms invitation to join the ride, without fear. Dance on in, LOL! Thanks for catching Floor's growl, guys never do,they just assume it's Marko.
I guess you got it. As Tuomas said: Everybody reads it different. Sure it makes sense. The Lyrics are Metaphers, Poetry. For me it also represents Hope and the Joy of Live as well...Life and Death.The River. Stoic a little bit. (Going by the Flow.)
Do a reaction to The Greatest Show On Earth please
It's not only mother who is moving her arms 😁🤔🤔
I realized I have crazy swinging arms too 😆
Good interpretation and many comments below explaining more.
In particular, I second Chris Tomashofski's comment that watching the film Imaginaerum puts a lot more context around every song on the album.
Several things about Ghost River stand out to me:
Floor soaring legato over Marco's gritty staccato bass line
Floor doing the sultry dance moves at one point
Emppu bouncing sideways across the stage; and his gesture near the beginning, shrugging "nothing for me to do here"
Floors subtle drop into a growl - blink and you'll miss it
The way Floor drops in and out of grit/distortion in the same phrase
The guitar line is much more complex than you might think - there's some strange rhythm stuff going on in there
Great interpretations! I see both characters as being so much bigger than human they work on a different level with different concerns, so while Marko's Devil represents the negative, death and destruction, Floor's Gaea will still crush you - just (com)passionately. From the Earth we came, and to it we will return. Please do react to the _Imaginaerum_ movie sometime (bring tissues if you've had to cope with family members with dementia, though).
mom is definitely funny
Goood reaction!! Maybe you have to look yours own time Argentiina 2012 concert. There you can see lot Jukkas drumming and how good he look behind drums😉. Showman!👌👌👌
As much as ya'll really like to delve into the lyrics you need to listen to the Imaginarium album as a whole. Tuomas said the album as a whole tells a story. The second track of the album is Storytime which sets the tone and theme for the rest of the album. Of course many others have mentioned the companion movie.
Ya'll have already reacted to a few of the song off the album. Here's a full track listing.
1.Taikatalvi
2.*Storytime
3.Ghost River
4.Slow, Love, Slow
5.I Want My Tears Back
6.Scaretale
7.Arabesque (instrumental)
8.Turn Loose the Mermaids
9.Rest Calm
10.The Crow, the Owl, and the Dove
11.Last Ride of the Day
12.Song of Myself
13. Imaginaerum
Tracks 2, 3, 5, 11, and 12 were performed at the Wacken 2013 concert. I'd recommend reacting to those along with tracks 4 and 6 before starting to listen to the album as a whole.
The funny thing is that Floor was doing some growls in this one. Marko was kinda using a raspy singing voice..
A tiny little detail most people won't pick up.
When Emppu is standing at Tuomas's riser at the beginning and he amusingly shrugs his shoulders at having nothing to play, that hit me as particularly funny. Because for that album 'Imaginaerum' Emppu had only two or three guitar solos on the entire album, and all he did on guitar was just chug along with the melody on every song.
On that one Tuomas was far more enamoured with the orchestral parts than the metal. So the guitar was kind of an afterthought. I'm sure Emppu recorded all of his parts in a week.
I miss Jukka , please next song Nemo at Wacken.
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Thx for another reaction. I saw it from the beginning that this one definitely wasn't the favorite for one of you...😁. But it's just ok and fair. I used to like this song very much, but for me the heavier stuff that I've become just recently to know, Wintersun, just is not that intense in rythm, even though the lyrics are very dark, and there's a lot of male growling (coming out from a guy with just one lung). I could easily think this one of Nightwish could actually be played in a disco. Surely Nightwish has many really heavy songs I love, many of them are from their early production and the most of them cannot be seen live at all.
During my years with Nightwish (and thanks to them) I've found other great bands too. One especially to mention is this Wintersun, whose two former full time members also are now playing in Nightwish. Kai's drumming abilities can really be seen and heard in this bands production. And Jukka, the new bassist, has song a few backgrounds there. So in fact I would like to hear him in some parts in Nightwish too.
It is one of there more heavier songs due to there lyrics. Fortunatly for you ladies Nightwish also has more nicer lighthearted songs to enjoy. But while you there do check out Tuomas side projects and more of Floor's own music including Beste Zangers but best to get this from her page as RUclips loves hitting people with copy rights. Thank you
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This is a dark one but as always there is a happy ending. Marko is the evil entity, Floor is the hope that beckons lost soles to the light.
Marco is like the storyteller warning the villagers or scaring them into listening and Floor is the evil siren trying to sucker everyone in with her beauty and song! That's my take, so they are kind of playing opposite to what you at first hear and think.
Great reaction ladies. Your analysis was spot on. I have heard this song explained two different ways. The first Marko's character is trying to lure you to an evil end and Floor is a beautful mother character calling you to cross the bridge to safety. The second is Marko is a benevolent troll warning you of what awaits if you cross the bridge and Floor is the SIren/Witch trying to sweetly lure you across the bridge. Good catch on the growly voice from Floor. To hear another side of Marko's voice and very appropriate for Valentine's day would be Kiss Why Your Lips are still Red, live from Wembley. Probably my favorite Marko song with him singing lead. A very sweet song about innocent young love where Marko's vocie is so emotional and vulnerable. Another great example is Marko singing Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan as a lullaby for Jukka's newborn child. ruclips.net/video/-XBZutbxSf4/видео.html.
Did you register the 'growls' came from Floor...?
Plot twist. Both of them luring you to the dark side but by different means.
Love the vid! If you want to hear a lil more growl check Nightwish-Yours is an empty hope😁
Too bad in the last 2 years and in the future, Nightwish have not or will not ever sing this song again. No Marko. But time moves on. Ghost River is just really badass.
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Lovebites. Have I recommended them to you? My other favorite band in addition to Nightwish. They bring it though. Where Nightwish is symphonic metal, Lovebites is full-on power metal. They have some things that change the pace up too, and some surprises with piano. Lots of things. I'll recommend them though, in case you want to check out something different, or add them to your pool of possible reactions. I think they're amazing. I'll suggest Holy War, live from Zepp. It's the standard first reaction for them, but if you go deeper, other songs of theirs are my favorites. ruclips.net/video/bgAxpEpEcno/видео.html
If you want me....do come across! (the ghost river) it is a trap
Finnish folklore has plenty of water spirit characters, what with all the sea, lakes, and rivers around, so the river ghost is likely an allusion to an evil water demon character (Nakki?), associated with the drowned, particularly kids, e.g. "don't swim too deep or the demon will get you". Imaginaerum, the album this comes from, is steeped in folklore and this particular character, I believe, is not unique to Finland either
I love your reaction, but in one thing your are wrong, the growl is singing by Floor.
I started laughing before I even hit play. You are correct with the dark and light. Not one of my favorites. I like Devil in the Deep Dark Ocean better with this same vibe.
Nice. Tho’ it is just incredible writing really isn’t it.👍
I love this song and I love this short but deep growl from Floor.What I don't like is this eternally long growl she did before her time on Nightwish. That's why I don't like Jinjer, for example.
I’m sure many of you watching and listening must love this kind of music. I believe each to their own. This is not my kind of music, don’t care for it.
I love all nightwish songs but this is one of my least favourite of their songs.