Jigoro Kano's EPIC fight against a Russian seaman on a ship

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  • @ThePimpedOutPlatypus
    @ThePimpedOutPlatypus Год назад +56

    My favorite part is that the Russian Sailor was won over physically and mentally, eventually congratulating Kano Sensei on his legitimate display of skill. Respect to both Kano Sensei and The Russian Sailor.
    Imagine the Sailor begins training Judo after? He would be a mat monster!

    • @MaximTDU-ik3uq
      @MaximTDU-ik3uq 11 месяцев назад +3

      "Правда,только Правда и ничего ,кроме Правды ."
      Маршал Жуков на Параде Победы 24 июня 1945.

  • @tha1ne
    @tha1ne Год назад +54

    A tiny brown belt in my gym (about 120 lbs) pins large (225+ lbs) white belts all the time. This story is not only believable but we see it ALL the time on the mats.

    • @vids595
      @vids595 Год назад +6

      I figure every belt level is equivalent to about 30 pounds of muscle. When it comes to bjj or judo at least.

    • @maxanderson3733
      @maxanderson3733 Год назад

      @@vids595 fair assessment, to be honest

    • @secretagent4610
      @secretagent4610 Год назад

      @@vids595 The Gracies say every 10.

    • @luismiranda5118
      @luismiranda5118 11 месяцев назад

      I got asleep by a 125lbs brown belt 25yo im 5 10 240lbs on randori

    • @Jacked_R_Us
      @Jacked_R_Us 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@vids595 Of course that varies between the atheletic abilities of the practioners. Like Mighty Mouse against 250lbs brown belts just before he got his black belt.

  • @SoldierDrew
    @SoldierDrew Год назад +24

    Thank you Chadi. God bless you.
    The Russians were so impressed with Judo during the Japanese Russian War that they learned Judo and mixed it with central Asian folk wrestling. . .Creating SAMBO.

  • @madmaxrockatansky
    @madmaxrockatansky Год назад +47

    Seoi nage> a can of spinach.

  • @alenye7043
    @alenye7043 Год назад +14

    To your knowledge, the founder of Sambo wrestling Vasily Oschepkov was Kano's student and third European ever who got Black belt in Judo.

    • @championknife
      @championknife Год назад

      The founder of sports sambo is Spiridonov. Oshchepkov founded Combat Sambo, which includes blows, wrestling, cold weapons and even bayonet combat.

  • @fredazcarate4818
    @fredazcarate4818 Год назад +17

    The more knowledge I have of Jigoro Kano , the more there is to admire in his simple but basic approach to combat. It is a shame that we have forgotten many of basic techniques that he taught to his early students. Once again Chadi thank you for sharing this narrative of this great man.

    • @Inatightpinch
      @Inatightpinch 6 месяцев назад

      Do you know of any books by Kano that teaches his early techniques?

    • @mrpotatochu6611
      @mrpotatochu6611 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@Inatightpinch Kodokan Judo, of you are still looking.
      There is also a kodokan judo by toshiro daigo, but that one is focused on throws

  • @Renku07
    @Renku07 Год назад +13

    I absolutely agree about having the full jujitsu arsenal. Sensei Jigoro kano was right about that.

    • @faresBtoush1990
      @faresBtoush1990 Год назад

      ​@@optimusmaximus9646imagine being punched in the face in the randori and knocking people out in competition like boxers. That's brutish and ungentlemanly and i would imagine it goes against kano's confessed values and reasoning behind creating judo.

  • @TylerINDY1
    @TylerINDY1 Год назад +12

    Great video as always Chadi! An excellent story about the founder of Judo, and interesting to hear about how folks would pass the time on long voyages.

  • @PicaPauDiablo1
    @PicaPauDiablo1 Год назад +3

    This is awesone as always

  • @Titan500J
    @Titan500J Год назад +4

    What a wonderful story, thank you for sharing this.

  • @DustinGhia
    @DustinGhia Год назад +4

    Hi Chadi!!! I just want to say that the portrait of the video makes my week! Thanks buddy! Your videos are great!!!

  • @dianecenteno5275
    @dianecenteno5275 Год назад +2

    Thanks Chadi!

  • @SocSh
    @SocSh Год назад +7

    Best thumbnail ever

  • @henrikg1388
    @henrikg1388 Год назад +11

    I think, all things considered, that it was a wise choice by Kano to keep the standing game. No matter trends and stupid rules, the basic fact of a confrontation is that you want to remain standing and have your opponent on the ground. Yes, there are situations that part from that rule, but it is still elementary. Was I first to comment?

  • @ranfan1820
    @ranfan1820 Год назад +10

    Lol that thumbnail

  • @jackm2293
    @jackm2293 Год назад +3

    nice story. i needed that today.

  • @fernandohsantos
    @fernandohsantos Год назад +4

    This story is a great finding.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  Год назад

      🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @johnk3137
    @johnk3137 Год назад +2

    When I first started Judo I was 5 11 200 lbs, my new instructor was a smaller, older Japanese man Yoshisada Yonezuka tosed me around at will and I couldn't anticipate anything. I had been a high school wrestler and thought I could handle myself, it opened my eyes.

  • @ВячеславП-д6з
    @ВячеславП-д6з Год назад +18

    Для полной абсурдности этой байки, надо объявить вес русского 250кг и рост 2м :))) и пусть они не ложаться по очереди, а Кано бросил русского на иппон, броском ката-гурума! :))) Ага, именно так и было! Однозначно! :)))

    • @MaximTDU-ik3uq
      @MaximTDU-ik3uq 11 месяцев назад +6

      "А удар от падения тела после броска был столь силен,что палуба прогнулась и до сих пор это место огорожено красными ленточками,чтобы другие туристы на этом корабле не подвернули случайно себе ногу,."

    • @MaximTDU-ik3uq
      @MaximTDU-ik3uq 11 месяцев назад

      "Правда,Правда и ничего,кроме Правды"
      Маршала Жуков на Параде Победы 24 июня 1945.

    • @АлександрБабушкин-м6т
      @АлександрБабушкин-м6т 11 месяцев назад +4

      Типичная восточная байка о мастерах прошлого)

    • @rushtimin371
      @rushtimin371 11 месяцев назад +5

      Чтобы стать мастером надо усердно заниматься.
      Но только победив русского ты станешь "Великим Мастером".

  • @alkomalan4910
    @alkomalan4910 Год назад +7

    It's time for awesome stories🤣😂

  • @phillipmarlowe0525
    @phillipmarlowe0525 Год назад +4

    This is the same ship Kano passed away on.

  • @KingOfSwords720
    @KingOfSwords720 Год назад +7

    Great vid and story! I was surprised to hear about Oda sensei, since I studied his newaza techniques by way of Hal Shape's Judo DVDs. Then I would go to train with my BJJ buddies and give them the business 😂

  • @koyalij9588
    @koyalij9588 5 месяцев назад +1

    貴重なお話ありがとうございます!
    ちなみになんですが、この話とほぼ同様の話が1957年発行の日本プロレス風雲録という本にも記載されています。この本は日本の相撲・プロレスライターである、小島貞二さんの著作です。嘉納師範だけでなく、前田光世などの柔道家についての話もあります。
    日本でもかなりの貴重本ですが、ご興味ございましたら、購入されてもいいかもしれません。
    Thank you for your valuable story!
    By the way, a story almost similar to this one is described in a book called Nippon Puroresu Fuunroku, published in 1957. This book was written by Teiji Kojima, a Japanese sumo and pro wrestling writer. It is not only about Master Kano, but also about judoka such as Mitsuyo Maeda.
    It is a very rare book in Japan, but if you are interested, you may purchase it.

  • @acquiesce100
    @acquiesce100 Год назад +28

    I don't know how anyone can say Kano was not a fighter because he was a fighter. Of course he didn't go seeking to get into brawls because he personified what a true martial artist was. He cultivated and taught one of the most devastatingly effective fighting systems on the planet. Of course he was a fighter. He loved self defence. He understood fighting. He understood the anatomy of a real fight. He understood self defence, keeping himself safe, his family safe but he knew if ever he needed it, should the situation arise he was a great fighter. He taught or his direct student taught Masahiko Kimura for goodness sake. End of. So I respectively disagree with Chadi's comment at the start.

    • @vids595
      @vids595 Год назад +8

      It is not an insult. If anything it was meant as a compliment, in that Kano was not one to get into street brawls. Nor was he a combat sport athlete.

    • @acquiesce100
      @acquiesce100 Год назад +2

      @@vids595 You are not listening and you are not understanding the point. I suggest you put your listening ears on first. What has getting into street brawls got to do with being a fighter. That is the definition of a "THUG" not a fighter. You don't see Lennox Lewis (one of the greatest heavyweight champs of the word) getting into street brawls, but he WAS a FIGHTER. Your point makes no sense and you have completely missed the point.

    • @maxanderson3733
      @maxanderson3733 Год назад

      @@acquiesce100 > Of course, he didn’t go seeking to get into brawls because he personified what a martial artist was
      Pretty sure that’s what he actually meant. As he then proceeds to point out that yes, the dude is a skilled and accomplished teacher, but he wasn’t going around trying to start shit. So there aren’t THAT many fight stories like this about him floating around. That’s all.
      I doubt that Dude would make a whole video about Kano taking on a Russian sailor, while simultaneously believing he doesn’t count as a legit fighter.

    • @acquiesce100
      @acquiesce100 Год назад

      @@maxanderson3733 OMG.... You are NOT listening. Get a GRIP. Read and understand before you engage your brain. What on earth is wrong with you? I'll say it simple: Kano was a FIGHTER. Of course he didn't go out looking for brawls but he was a FIGHTER. Lennox Lewis was a heavyweight champion of the world. He was a FIGHTER but he didn't go out looking for brawls. kano was a very , very dangerous fighter. Very dangerous.

    • @maxanderson3733
      @maxanderson3733 Год назад

      @@acquiesce100 the only one not using their brain here is you Dude. I already explained what the OP of the video meant by “not a fighter”. You want to obsess over semantics? Be my guess. I’ve said my piece. Have a nice day being needlessly condescending.

  • @uvw456-m3o
    @uvw456-m3o 11 месяцев назад +6

    Эту историю Я читал 40 лет назад. В виде жертвы выступали два рослых, английских моряка)))

  • @mizukarate
    @mizukarate Год назад +5

    Take the advantage- This is how the small can beat the BIGGEST.

  • @Valenten-DV
    @Valenten-DV Год назад +6

    Кто только в своих фантазиях не побеждал,, злых русских,, но военные наблюдателе в русскояпонсаую войну 1904 года, отмечали что японцы всячески избегают рукопашных схваток с русскими. На острове Доманском русские пограничники пинками разгоняли уже китайских мастеров Кун-фу( русским правительство запретило использовать оружие, в отличаи от китайцев). И таких примеров очень много.

  • @Jagd-hund
    @Jagd-hund 11 месяцев назад +4

    Эту историю я читал 35 лет назад. Противником Кано был здоровенный африканец!

  • @Stoik09
    @Stoik09 Год назад +6

    Мифы. такие мифы... :)

  • @ComboMuster
    @ComboMuster Год назад +4

    It wasn't a fight per se but some kind of exhibition match. Starting from the back and not a standing position etc however it was good advertising for Judo and all ended amicably and honorably.

  • @hafizuddinmahmud2217
    @hafizuddinmahmud2217 Год назад +3

    if ip man have series of film who globally breakthrough, then kano also have to exclusively filmize, not by fan made, but professional director..it's sure interesting, not just martial artist want to know about his biographic story, even the layman will get interest in his film plot..i'm still wonder why still no producer want to make film about him, he's sure big shot

  • @ahmedb2559
    @ahmedb2559 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you !

  • @cliffordterry2133
    @cliffordterry2133 Год назад

    I trained in judo under a Korean judo PLAYER and I can attest that people at that level, men and women, do have extraordinary abilities that people cannot imagine until they see them. One of the most interesting abilities is the ability to perform counter throws on somebody who is in the process of attempting to throw you. At this level of ability, time seems to dilate and gives the judoka full control throughout the entire throw while to the spectator the process of the throw is but one or, at most, two seconds.

  • @Kwisatz-Chaderach
    @Kwisatz-Chaderach Год назад +3

    Kani was such a beast.

  • @vids595
    @vids595 Год назад +2

    Great story!

  • @СергейМанько-ж7л
    @СергейМанько-ж7л Год назад +5

    😂😂😂😂Настоящая история не такая просто на дальгем востоке Был человек Ощепков ..который изучал дзю до у Кано и получил второй дан ..Позже он в СССР тренировал спецлужбы и Харлампиева Сына известного тренера по боксу России ..Так появилось САМБО .А это сказки и легенды которые так любят на востоке не имеют ничего общего с реальностью

  • @tha1ne
    @tha1ne Год назад +10

    If Kano was 29, wasn't it NOT called Judo at that point but Kano jiu jitsu? How could Judo be in his quote?

    • @kaim2437
      @kaim2437 Год назад +1

      He was 21 when he formed judo/the kodokan

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  Год назад +8

      The term jujutsu was indeed the dominant term at the time, however the term judo was not inexistant, other people such as Tomita started talking about the difference in the early 1900s, and even Kano in the book “Mind over muscle” discusses the term.

    • @tha1ne
      @tha1ne Год назад

      @@Chadi Thank you Chadi, big fan of the channel!

    • @MaximTDU-ik3uq
      @MaximTDU-ik3uq 11 месяцев назад

      @@Chadi"Правда, только Правда и ничего, кроме Правды".
      Маршала Жуков на Параде Победы 24 июня 1945.

  • @jungleghostsurvival
    @jungleghostsurvival Год назад

    Awesome video!!!! My SENSEI ! Sensei was a direct student of SENSEI Kano Jigoro.

  • @ЮрийГлушков-ф5я
    @ЮрийГлушков-ф5я Год назад +4

    Выдумка.От начала до конца.

  • @SuperAchileas
    @SuperAchileas 11 месяцев назад

    I wrestled in judo with Japanese Navy cadets in 1959, they were extremely strong and their neck development was impressive, us we were novices and maybe 5 grades lower than them.

  • @ericktamberg670
    @ericktamberg670 Год назад +2

    I read a similar story involving a Russian sailor against the Karate founder, Gishin Funakoshi. The Russian eventually died on the ship during the returning travel.
    The fact that the Russian sailors are never positively identified in both stories can be an indication that those fights were purely fictional.

  • @marconikolic952
    @marconikolic952 Год назад +3

    I defeated 30 young men who jumped on me while I was walking through the school playground at that point i only did judo for one year I have no idea why they decided to attack me but from the first one who jumped on me from behind and I had no idea they were there i threw him of with a hip throw and he went right over me on to his back to the last one they were all in a big pile on the floor. A teacher who saw what id done said why did you attack them i replied no they attacked me I didn't punch not one they were all thrown with the standard yellow belt throws I'd been practising with i have to admit some pretty tough boys plus our teacher was an Olympic champion from the 70s it was one of my best days at school i was very down beat before hand but after i felt very elevated.

  • @simaojones3430
    @simaojones3430 Год назад +3

    Will judo or jiu jitsu be effective in a hunger games match?

    • @Raadestdude
      @Raadestdude Год назад +1

      Lol 😂 bro

    • @ThePimpedOutPlatypus
      @ThePimpedOutPlatypus Год назад

      It's a good tool to have everywhere.

    • @badart3204
      @badart3204 Год назад

      Probably would be effective but insufficient to carry one through alone.

  • @bronsondeliac2625
    @bronsondeliac2625 Год назад +4

    This was before they created Sambo, no fair 😄

  • @mrboy9658
    @mrboy9658 Год назад +1

    Chadi what you think of cross-training between wrestling (freestyle , folkstyle , greco etc) and sambo (technically freestyle judo without chokes) ? Does wrestlers have any benefits of this?

  • @eb3279
    @eb3279 Месяц назад

    Technically, "escaping" before actually being caught is not really escaping. I appreciate Kano's concept, though.

  • @ВячеславК-в3б
    @ВячеславК-в3б 11 месяцев назад +1

    В любом народе есть сказка как местный боец победил огромного чужака. В странах бывшего СССР естественно побеждали огромнейшего русского

  • @henryks1000
    @henryks1000 Год назад

    What I know it was Kano student which must escape to Brasil when he started ju jitsu school

  • @Amad74g
    @Amad74g 11 месяцев назад +2

    Сказка для глупцов. В Ютубе множество роликов про этих "мастеров" секретных методик, которых мудохуют начинающие боксёры и бойцы ММА.

  • @andrzejniezgoda7647
    @andrzejniezgoda7647 11 месяцев назад +1

    Chadi, naprawdę? Po co takie pieprzenie bajek, w jakim celu?

  • @josephshulman6666
    @josephshulman6666 Год назад

    Chadi has such a cool accent I have a good ear for accents . But have no idea where Chadi is from

  • @dani-il
    @dani-il 11 месяцев назад +1

    Nice story 😂
    I was doing judo.
    And I can tell, that if you both doing Judo, and you have 2x + muscle weight difference, you are still on equal chance of winning.
    But, if it comes to MMA,... I mean, 40kg, it's 1.5 bags of street salt... 😂 You just need to be fit and big to pick up and put the lil' guy onto the ground.
    Meaning that this Russian guy was not fit or/and was not smart enough to use his bodys advantages, and was probably just a saleman, while the Judo master was a professional wrestler with everyday training.
    I mean, sure, you could be fighting a couch 400 pounds potatoe, being a 100 and win easily. But, would it make you a serious MA rival?...

  • @JUST5NOW
    @JUST5NOW Год назад +2

    Do you know that the co founder of the russian sambo was a good student of Kano before returning back to Russia?

  • @vladkubat3311
    @vladkubat3311 10 месяцев назад +1

    Nonsense! No facts, just talk. You can’t praise yourself, no one will know what kind of hero you are.

  • @boogboog8097
    @boogboog8097 3 месяца назад

    There is a picture supposedly of a younger Kano looking very muscular, huge calves in particular, don't know if its real tbh.

  • @championknife
    @championknife Год назад +2

    I would like to hear the story from the Russian sailor...... I think it would be completely the opposite. And a Russian sailor would never have congratulated the enemy on the victory, not such an upbringing. Most likely, the sailor could demand another duel later, and would stubbornly prepare for the duel.

    • @НиколайКудрявцев-ю8з
      @НиколайКудрявцев-ю8з 10 месяцев назад

      Why are you generalizing? It's a very bad approach. Do you know Russians so well? You say a Russian sailor..but do you mean Russian or from Russia? Russia is multinational.That sailor could have any background. For example, if he was from the central part of Russia and was really Russian, then he could have a very good upbringing.. Do you know that in Russia there was an unspoken rule according to which a man didn't beat anyone who was on the ground and a crowd didn't beat one..only fair fight one-on-one..and mutual respect.

    • @championknife
      @championknife 10 месяцев назад

      @@НиколайКудрявцев-ю8з At that time, only Russians were taken to the fleet. There was no one-on-one wrestling culture in Russia. The fights were a crowd of peasants from one village against a crowd of peasants from another village, city on city. The fights were held according to special rules, and indeed, people lying on the ground were not beaten. The villagers were preparing for mass brawls, and the village even hired famous fighters so that the fighters would prepare the peasants for a mass brawl. That's why there is a legend that an English sailor will always win a battle against a Russian sailor. but ten Russian sailors will always beat ten English ones. Because the principle of collective combat is very different from an individual duel. The Russian nobility considered the peasants' fights "wall against wall" a military strategic game.

    • @НиколайКудрявцев-ю8з
      @НиколайКудрявцев-ю8з 10 месяцев назад

      @@championknife fist fights "wall against wall" were folk fun on some holidays. And I read that those fights were forbidden by the governments in different years and the participants were punished severely. I agree that wrestling was not Russian culture, it came later from the neighbouring smaller nations: from the Caucasus and mongolian peoples.

    • @RichardCranium.
      @RichardCranium. 8 месяцев назад

      Russians back then were a very different people to how they were now, this was before the Soviets took power

    • @championknife
      @championknife 8 месяцев назад

      @@RichardCranium. Yes, at that time there were no Ukrainians and Belarusians, the division of Russians into three peoples, the Communists did it.

  • @krev3
    @krev3 Год назад +6

    Looks like pizdezh.

    • @АлександрБабушкин-м6т
      @АлександрБабушкин-м6т 11 месяцев назад

      Спасибо. Как раз думал как написать "Пиз@жь" английскими буквами)

    • @krev3
      @krev3 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@АлександрБабушкин-м6т особенно нравится что это непереводится с английского или на него. Т.е. кто знает - тот поймёт. )

  • @ricardo82shadow123
    @ricardo82shadow123 9 месяцев назад

    I'm your brazilian fan... Do a reserch about who were SADA MIYAKO the first jujutsuka teacher in Brazilian Navy... Were he a Kodokan or from other styles of ancient jujutsu like Daitoryu aikijujutsu...!? 😊

  • @bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186
    @bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186 Год назад +4

    Super glad no one got pregnant

  • @СергейНиколаевич-э6ф
    @СергейНиколаевич-э6ф 11 месяцев назад +1

    Фуфло, а не история. Потом Кано, победил Кинг-Кога удушением и Кинг-Конг ему тоже похлопал в ладоши, а после японцу попался Годзилла, которому Кано оторвал пятку и два рога.

  • @АлександрАртамонов-л5э
    @АлександрАртамонов-л5э 11 месяцев назад +5

    Наверно поэтому все мировые бойцовские площадки, просто кишат японцами им ведь нет равных в мире😁

  • @siavosh87
    @siavosh87 Год назад +6

    I’m sorry but this story sounds like complete BS lol.

  • @bertilow
    @bertilow Год назад +1

    How did they communicate? In Russian? Japanese? English?

  • @JUST5NOW
    @JUST5NOW Год назад +1

    Do you know that the co founder of the russian sambo was a good student of Kano before returning back to Russia.

  • @ЗлойПартизан-ы3й
    @ЗлойПартизан-ы3й Год назад +6

    Хорошая сказка, только сдаётся мне, что это был не Русский купец. Скорее всего, это был английский бизнесмен,😂 привыкли всё на Русских валить. Чуть что, опять Русские всем жить не дают, скромнее надо быть, если вы понимаете о чём я.👊😬🤙🎻

  • @HUKOVAU
    @HUKOVAU 10 месяцев назад

    Чингачгук тоже побеждал американцев, а племя Могикан исчезло ...

  • @АлександрБабушкин-м6т
    @АлександрБабушкин-м6т 11 месяцев назад

    Good story. Sad but peezdyozh

  • @ИгорьТупкало-о6и
    @ИгорьТупкало-о6и 11 месяцев назад +1

    Фантазёры.Вам бы сказки писать,а не истории...

  • @Focke-Wulf
    @Focke-Wulf 11 месяцев назад +1

    Не знаю правда ли это иль вымысел , информации не нашёл.
    Просто как может человек весом 41 килограмм победить моряка, весом я думаю от 60- до 90 кг примерно. Напоминаю случай боксерского восстания в Китае. Вроде бы китайские мастера и ученики , тренероваличь довольно часто. Против них же выступила обыкновенная шпана из юных англичан которые занимались боксом и то изредка , и англичане победили ибо физически они были тяжелее . Можно говорить, и уважать Брюса Ли, и что он побил бы какого нибудь Тайсона или бойца его весовой категории, но это домыслы , которые в жизни вряд-ли бы подтвердились , при всем уважении к Брюсу Ли

  • @АлексейЛастовский
    @АлексейЛастовский 10 месяцев назад +1

    Зачем эти сказки здесь?

  • @PumaL-c5e
    @PumaL-c5e Год назад +1

    Cette histoire est drôle et elle ne fait que rire

  • @andrewblack7852
    @andrewblack7852 Год назад

    Lol I now realize that the best are only a bit better than a tough person.

  • @tlinkit
    @tlinkit 10 месяцев назад

    Nice fantasy.) Today everybody can see it in chinese films about cool, but thin Chinese unbeatable heroes. 😁 Japan isn't far away from China in its dreams.)

  • @aleksandr9834
    @aleksandr9834 Год назад

    Какой кривой перевод. Почти ничего не понятно.

  • @Старый-з3ъ
    @Старый-з3ъ 11 месяцев назад

    Сказочка

  • @hthttm1097
    @hthttm1097 11 месяцев назад

    Ха! И татаромонгольское иго было?! А САмураи пришли с реки Амур!

  • @вячеславкандауров-н2у

    собираем японские побрехушки?так есть такие же китайские,с участием хо юаньцзя😆. единственный зафиксированный случай встречи японского мастера борьбы с русским- это встреча с Иваном Поддубным.закончилась для японца печально.намного хуже чем встреча японца с Карелиным.

  • @ЭрикАглиев
    @ЭрикАглиев 11 месяцев назад +1

    Думаю какой нибудь КМС по самбо или рукопашке уделал бы кано, без обид.

    • @TokyoTransit
      @TokyoTransit 7 месяцев назад

      какой нибудь