Can I Make Aikido Work?

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  • @martialartsunlimited01
    @martialartsunlimited01 2 года назад +1315

    Just want to say a big thank you to Sensei Seth for picking me to help him with this project.
    ruclips.net/user/MartialArtsUnlimitedAssociation

    • @Whitt23
      @Whitt23 2 года назад +34

      Kudos to you for being willing to work with a skeptic and give Sensei Seth the opportunity to learn despite initial perceptions!

    • @dantae666
      @dantae666 2 года назад +9

      How do you get so many Black belts. I sense your lying for marketing purposes

    • @alexytterdahl6289
      @alexytterdahl6289 2 года назад +52

      @@dantae666 it’s much easier to achieve black belt in martial arts if you already have a few, and especially if those martial arts have some similarities. It’s kinda like learning a language. After learning three languages, the forth is easier than the first and second. You already have an algorithm for it, built in. Also, in many martial arts black belt is tells us that you’re in the beginning of the journey of being a committed student with very good basics.

    • @nunninkav
      @nunninkav 2 года назад +8

      Have Seth back for more, he picked it up quick. If he gets the concepts behind the circular nature of Aikido, he may unlock the code.

    • @fenrir2616
      @fenrir2616 2 года назад +11

      @@alexytterdahl6289 yep, I know of a guy who was a 3rd Dan in Japanese Jiu jitsu (that school focused heavily on the ground game mind you), and got his brown belt in BJJ in no time.

  • @HoustonJones
    @HoustonJones 2 года назад +1557

    I came here to make a witty joke about Aikido but ended up learning instead. Great video Seth! I still believe Akito is one of the more unpractical martial arts especially since most of techniques would be very hard if not impossible to successfully perform against an experienced grappler. I commend your ability to keep an open mind and giving it an honest shot though.

    • @BigUriel
      @BigUriel 2 года назад +65

      It's still a martial art, just one of the worst ones. And as a martial art someone who is good at it can still use it to some effect against an untrained opponent. But when pitted against another martial arts practitioner who knows one of the many more effective ones, it falls flat on its face.
      So it's not completely useless, but why would you spend your time learning it when you could spend that time learning something much better? If you want to throw people around take judo, for example.

    • @moz5831
      @moz5831 2 года назад +73

      I’m trying to think any techiques or fighting styles that are _easy_ to perform on an experienced grappler, even if you are an experienced grappler yourself. But yeah aikido moved away from combat or fighting like hundred years ago. It’s kinda like Iaido or Kenjutsu, a part of this rich historical and cultural tradition, but pretty impractical in the world where people don’t carry around swords anymore. If you accept it as what it is then cool, if you go around crying that you can totally win an MMA match with aikido, you don’t understand even the basic idea what you are studying yourself.

    • @cleanmikeandtheboys3165
      @cleanmikeandtheboys3165 2 года назад +22

      @@BigUriel I learned it for a very long time while growing up and where I went, using it in a genuine fight wasn't ever really implied. For me it was kind of a mind/body conditioning and that did help me get ahead for a while until I stopped going for other reasons
      Did end up learning other martial arts for practical application so that might say something lol

    • @SenseiSeth
      @SenseiSeth  2 года назад +138

      Thanks man!! I would call it one of the hardest to do right for sure. There’s ways it can work, but definitely not as easy as most others

    • @saadabdullah3225
      @saadabdullah3225 2 года назад +15

      Holy shit, it's Jouston Hones

  • @Pupcan
    @Pupcan 2 года назад +201

    I'm impressed at how often you demonstrated that a fighter can be respectful while still having doubts about whether the technique being taught would actually work.

    • @wyrmse
      @wyrmse Год назад +4

      That's Karate training for you ;) Respect, rules of the dojo, rules of life

  • @Jamoni1
    @Jamoni1 2 года назад +978

    I think you hit on the key to making Aikido work: it's already being able to fight. If you can fight, good Aikido might give you the option of winning with a little less damage to your opponent. It's not a stand alone martial art, it's a module you can plug in to an already functioning skillset.

    • @martialartsunlimited01
      @martialartsunlimited01 2 года назад +73

      The other thing I think is often overlooked about aikido is that this is something that is done in self defense against an unsuspecting opponent. Hence self defense

    • @Red80008
      @Red80008 2 года назад +15

      I like that thought!
      But it is indeed a stand alone martial art. It's just not a stand alone self defense...

    • @HelvetioJRGaming
      @HelvetioJRGaming 2 года назад +65

      Aikido was originally only taught it to people who already had a black belt in another martial art

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart 2 года назад +11

      @@Red80008 I'm not sure any martial art is "stand alone".

    • @killersalmon4359
      @killersalmon4359 2 года назад +46

      The founder of Aikido had a base in Sumo wrestling. All of his first-generation students had a base in Judo and/or Kendo, and since Sumo was really common in Japan back then, a lot of them probably had some Sumo background as well. The whole idea of Aikido being a plug-in module is an interesting one.

  • @piotrd.4850
    @piotrd.4850 2 года назад +6

    I like how all-anti-aikido people prove that it actually works as designed - as complementary style. Aikido has one crippling weakness built in - it uses small joint locks and levers, which when executed are painful and very difficult to heal and techniques start from position of being already attacked; therefore it is impossible to have near-full contact random sparring without risking SERIOUS injury to even trained sparring partner. Used alone it notoriously all-or-nothing - either technique will connect and there's either damage or bust. 11:40 - that's the whole idea; you do this 'flying' to AVOID injury. On untrained on unwilling person this will cause severe pain and damage.

  • @thedutchest
    @thedutchest 2 года назад +29

    So I started with Aikido when I was 8 years old, all the way up till I was 13. It might not be the best for combat, but it has ignited my love for fighting sports leading to boxing, kickboxing and lessons in some other disciplines aswell. Aikido also set me up with a good base for body balance, patience and discipline. My teacher was amazing, which really helped. It will always have a special place in my heart.

  • @me82sjm
    @me82sjm 2 года назад +158

    Wrist locks really are great for ground fighting. They're not used much in bjj competition because most rule sets only allow them at high grade so they aren't practiced as early

    • @me82sjm
      @me82sjm 2 года назад +29

      As someone with a Japanese jujitsu background I think the biggest problem with aikido is its compliancy. The techniques all come from something working but through compliancy they don't apply them the right way to avoid hurting each other where as other aikijujitsu styles might use more hyper extension, more rough off balancing as oppososed to compliant throwing

    • @me82sjm
      @me82sjm 2 года назад +3

      Always impressed when you try new things

    • @cahallo5964
      @cahallo5964 2 года назад +5

      @@me82sjm I think Aikido should use more sticks, hit each other with sticks, jjj guys hit each other with sticks and they are better grapplers and as good as wristlocks

    • @cahallo5964
      @cahallo5964 2 года назад +11

      I don't think sticks have anything to do with grappling proefficiency but sticks are fun

    • @j.p.5013
      @j.p.5013 2 года назад +2

      @@cahallo5964 lol

  • @reeveprometheus3183
    @reeveprometheus3183 Год назад +2

    Aikido is an extremely effective form of self-defense. One that could save your life. The fact is, that we live in a world full of undesirable people, with uncertain intentions. Aikido teaches you not only how to be a happier and healthier person, but also to protect yourself in real life-threatening situations
    Aikido training is not only good for health, but also develops self-confidence naturally for daily life. In Aikido you learn techniques to defend against a variety of attacks such as kicks, punches, single-hand or two-hand grabs from the front or rear, chokes, multiple person attacks, and attacks with weapons
    The goal in Aikido is to defend yourself while trying to avoid hurting the attacker.

  • @TheElbowMerchant
    @TheElbowMerchant 2 года назад +192

    Like anything else, pressure test the techniques against active resistance. Keep what works in your repertoire, disregard the rest, and move onto the next martial arts discipline to absorb. Stay super jacked, Sensei Seth!

    • @dbspaceoditty
      @dbspaceoditty 2 года назад +9

      trust me, this stuff works against resisting opponents. just imagine in boxing. if all you learned was to jab, it would be hard to get anything done. but you learn hooks and crosses, you get a better c hance.
      then you take movement into consideration .than you are a formidable opponent.
      thats the issue iwth aikido. dude got a one day lesson, and literally only went over the 3 most basic techniques.

    • @nunninkav
      @nunninkav 2 года назад +3

      "Pressure testing" Aikido doesn't work, because in Aikido the attacker gives you the techinque, you don't take it. When you meet "resistance" you stop what you are doing and take what the attacker just gave you. You can't "pressure test" a certain technique, because once the technique meets pressure the art demands you flow with that pressure. It's paradox.

    • @lionsden4563
      @lionsden4563 2 года назад

      @@dbspaceoditty,
      Aikido by itself is almost useless. Deal with it.

    • @pixelblaze8284
      @pixelblaze8284 2 года назад +1

      My issue with just that mindset is that some shot takes practice. Like you couldn't do anything more complex than a shitty punch on your first day of any art, but does that mean punches don't work? I think the biggest difficulty I've come across is just deciding what is worth it once the effort is put in. So that either means having trust in your teacher or gaining that trust initially through proof of concept (aka they use some of these techniques on you and you see if they work). Like I've only done a little bit of bjj, so if I just grab a bjj book off the shelf, try a triangle choke at full speed with a friend and it doesn't work, that's on me for not training it. Or the move is just shit, there's no way for me to know at that point. And then do I want it for self defense or sport? Cause a bjj person will prove it works to me in a dobohk and on mats with rules, which doesn't prove it'll work for self defense, just for sport. I just think this is more complex than you make it out to be 😅

    • @pixelblaze8284
      @pixelblaze8284 2 года назад +4

      @@nunninkav well I'd argue a bit there. I do hapkido btw, very similar stuff. But we do actually do pressure testing. But like you said, we don't fight force with force, we find another way. But pressure testing isn't just about fighting direct force, it's about making stuff work as it's supposed to. So I pressure test both with other hapkido people and all other types of people. Like with hapkido people I train against someone who knows how to escape techniques and I have to make something work. With untrained or others I have to deal with different struggles. But people don't always exactly counter your locks or give you the same response. Pressure testing means more of testing the system as a whole. Which is kinda hard to do early on, so instead you only use it when you have an opportunity or you just do your best trying like any white belt in something like bjj or karate.

  • @Szabla1595
    @Szabla1595 2 года назад +62

    After watching this I really think you would enjoy a HEMA class covering Fiore. His whole system covers everything from grappling and striking to dagger, longsword, and pollaxe. Plus, each part of his system leads into the next. So his unarmed = his dagger =his longsword = his pollaxe. Plus, he loves armbars and groin kicks, so he's basically the Medieval Master Ken.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious Год назад

      Why would anyone spend time training pole axes? I'm pretty sure 99% of people have never seen a pole ax.

    • @Szabla1595
      @Szabla1595 Год назад +5

      @aluisious honestly...for the fun of it. Not every martial art has to prepare you for THE STREETS!!!(TM). Sometimes, it's fun just to practice a martial art because you enjoy the history or the community or the aesthetics of it.

    • @blackpowderkun
      @blackpowderkun Год назад +2

      ​@@aluisiousin self denfense if you improvised a mop or something as a weapon.

  • @gw1357
    @gw1357 2 года назад +78

    I'm not as anti-aikido as some people. When I was a young 20-something guy with (at the time) a mostly Muay Thai background, I had an older colleague (late 40s, early 50s) who was very good at a military combatives adaptation of Aikido/Aikijitsu/Jiujitsu and he worked me over real good. (It felt like I was like fighting a guy with three arms.) It can definitely work when the guy knows how to use it.
    I find the wrist locks in Aikido to be very valid for certain self-defense scenario (crowded bar, bus, subway, etc.) where you can anticipate the confrontation enough to use the technique as a surprise and squealch the fight before blows start flying. The mechanics and concepts are also a really good segue into things like weapon retention and disarms. I've also seen guys have success adding Aikido when they're working from a foundation of another Japanese art. (Like JD in the video has a foundation in karate, though I don't know what he studied first.)
    All that said...Aikido is not really something I would spend my training time on and I would not recommend it is a foundation for anyone. For most Aikido applications, even though they're valid, there always seems to me to be five or six other more reliable options from the other arts.

    • @formdoggie5
      @formdoggie5 2 года назад +5

      Barfights is where I saw it work the most, myself. They actually teach you a bunch of the wrist locks as a part of MCMAP. Stuffing a punch with your whole body, chicken winging the guy, and then feeding him his own hand (our instructor literally called the primary wrist and elbow lock "feeding them a hamburger" even) worked wonders for compliance and made it *INCREDIBLY* easy to put handcuffs on.
      If you think I'm FOS, just ask any Marine that worked primarily for the Provost Marshal or Shore Patrol that earned their green belt. They'll usually even be happy to show you most of them because of how much they hurt with so little effort.
      The throws are all something you can disregard because they are taught for the *STUDENTS* protection. In a real fight, you're just going to violently break the wrist/elbow/shoulder and then wreck them on the side they can no longer defend effectively. I think that's where Aikido instructors lose most people, because they don't make a point to explicitly tell people that.

    • @sinenomine5379
      @sinenomine5379 2 года назад

      @@formdoggie5
      Hi
      What do you think is the key to using Aikido effectively ?
      How to change techniques to make them more useful?

    • @formdoggie5
      @formdoggie5 2 года назад +4

      @@sinenomine5379 wrist, elbow, and shoulder locks/manupulations/dislocations are *ALWAYS* going to be relevant. So much so that they don't allow "small joint manipulations" in most professional fights because you'd be constantly breaking everything. As is understanding balance and using opponents momentum against them.
      Essentially, you take the "art" out of the martial art, and focus on the "martial" skills with it.
      You're not there to show off.
      Youre there to control a fight or hurt someone to the point they no longer desire to fight and/or kill them in self defense.
      Anything that isn't making you better at doing that is a waste of time.
      As a result: you change them by not making them look pretty, and smooth, but by how effective they are at doing what you intend to do with them.
      Practicing against people willing to pop you in the face when you let them will help you figure out what is effective or not pretty fast, too.

  • @willsnyder4399
    @willsnyder4399 2 года назад +131

    I am a stage combat practitioner and choreographer and Aikido is used heavily in a lot of choreography mainly due to its cooperativeness and flashiness rather than in spite of

    • @aikidoboynj
      @aikidoboynj 2 года назад +8

      Above the law has my favorite fight choreography but outside of the earlier Steven Seagal films I really wish there was more films that had a more realistic or gritty application of a martial art in its fight scenes.

    • @vonb2792
      @vonb2792 Год назад +1

      Yeah and its alot of mouvement , flow with leverage. In a coopérative environnement it look good and alot for a good movie. In real life, nothing work like intentéd and its short brutal

    • @Herowebcomics
      @Herowebcomics Год назад +1

      It IS good for that!
      It looks great!

    • @jochemkalthof853
      @jochemkalthof853 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@aikidoboynj I recognise a lot of aikido moves in the john wick films too

  • @shadowfighter6445
    @shadowfighter6445 2 года назад +31

    I personally like aikido, every martial art has something good to learn.
    Thank you for sharing ☺️.

  • @jeffmiller6025
    @jeffmiller6025 Год назад +103

    It’s interesting, I did aikido for about 10 years-including as an uchideshi-and one of the things I almost never see discussed is what I learned as the difference between practice techniques (basically partnered forms, which is most of what you see in the videos) and applied techniques: how to use this stuff in a fight. Basically stated, you do all of the circular movements and such as a way of learning your body, building a repertoire of basic techniques, etc. in much the same way as kata are used. But you learn them with a partner to begin building the foundations of randori / sparring. Then you work on how to apply those techniques in more realistic situations; with a lot less dancing around (tenkan) and a lot more moving forward and taking someone’s center / centerline (irimi), and with a fair amount of close quarters strikes that we’re hidden in the moments of the basic forms-just like kata. You then begin practicing randori.
    This sounds like a long process, but I was practicing the basics of randori as soon as I graduated from the beginners class to the intermediate (about two months).
    All the while, working on the kinds of mobility and body-structure business that one finds in arts like Systema, Wing Chun, etc.
    I’m not arguing the aikido rules or anything, and I see a lot of non-combat applicable aikido out there. I just think that it’s worth mentioning that there is a logic to the aikido training system. I’ve trained in a number of martial arts over the last forty years, and carry rank in most of them, yet the few times I’ve had to deal with confrontations in the real world since my aikido training I’ve found that the basics of what I learned in aikido form the foundations of how I successfully responded to those confrontations.
    A final caveat: In the aikido system I trained in (which comes down the lineage from Fumio Toyoda), many of the senior Japanese instructors had a solid background in other arts before they started aikido and tended to explain aikido as “martial arts graduate school.” I think this is a fair signal of the pedagogical issues at play in a lot of how aikido is taught. And I have to recognize that a lot of my own success with aikido may in some part be due to having a solid background in striking and grappling before first stepping into an aikido dojo. Of late, I’ve bumped into a number of aikido instructors who have solid striking and grappling training and who are including more striking and grappling fundamentals in their aikido instruction to fill in those gaps, as JD in this video seems to be doing. I feel that including these fundamentals for students as they’re learning the basic partnered forms, and improving them as they move into applied technics-and really explicating these applications well-will improve aikido’s reputation in the coming years.

    • @marcoarrigo4466
      @marcoarrigo4466 Год назад +7

      I believe your explanation is confirmed by the story of Mochizuki yoseikan aikijujitsu.
      In those postwar years all Japanese aikido practioners used to do other styles (judo, karate...) they applied to their aikido.
      The result is the wide range of aikido styles.
      Only practicing aikido in my opinion (and it's my personal shortcoming) does not give the practicality these Japanese masters had acquired through their solid budo experience.

    • @jeffmiller6025
      @jeffmiller6025 Год назад +3

      @@marcoarrigo4466 I think this depends on the pedagogy at play; there are aikido lineages / teachers who have incorporated elements of other striking and grappling arts to fill this gap. However, as a general rule, it is best to assume one should cross train in striking and grappling to fill some of the holes in most available aikido.
      As a side note: This same issue is present in the Chinese internal arts, where, again, the IMA were understood as martial arts graduate schools. To wit, the primary form of bagua I’ve studied uses Northern Longfist and quite a lot of chin na grappling to fill the gaps of what bagua-only would leave untrained. I’ve found similar things in the forms of xingyi and taiji I’ve studied.

    • @burritodog3634
      @burritodog3634 Год назад

      yeah so all that or just do a different martial art

    • @jeffmiller6025
      @jeffmiller6025 Год назад +4

      @@burritodog3634 Sure, of course. But again, the IMA, properly understood, should be trained as a kind of graduate school for martial artists. Not necessary for most purposes, but possibly necessary for others. Or, honestly, for the sheer nerdy joy of it. I hold rank (read: at least 3rd degree black belt or rough equivalent) in ten different combat arts. But at this point in my life (age 48), the only ones I find to be of continuing relevance and challenge, or even remotely interesting in their depth and complexity, are the IMA.

    • @IAmProtean
      @IAmProtean Год назад +3

      I've also trained Aikido for a fair amount of time (4 years) under the lineage of Fumio Toyoda Shihan and I can say that the fundamentals of Aikido has certainly helped me with other martial arts (Kickboxing, BJJ). The sensei I trained under also had a background in striking and grappling arts and always contextualized this within the framework of Aikido. Just my .02 cents, and it's certainly not the end all be all of martial arts, but I do think there's real value in the art as long as expectations are tempered.

  • @martialartsunlimited01
    @martialartsunlimited01 2 года назад +18

    I really love your breakdown of randori (zombie martial arts fighting)

    • @joeridestrijcker445
      @joeridestrijcker445 2 года назад +1

      well, when randori becomes e.g. yonningake and 4 attackers can choose their style of attack at random (or even using various weapons), it's not such a toothless zombie exercise anymore ;)

  • @Venomsamurai7
    @Venomsamurai7 2 года назад +35

    A lot of Aikido is about momentum and body mechanics. Your opponent is often moving towards you and you are utilizing that momentum to naturally and purposefully step out of their way and keep them moving forward. As an old practitioner, Toyoda-sensei, used to say, "Avoid a falling rock. Water will always flow to lower places."

  • @charlescollier7217
    @charlescollier7217 2 года назад +290

    I'm really glad you did this, Seth. This makes perfect sense to me, because my Aikido experience was not at all traditional. I came from a Shotokan Karate background, and trained in Aikido with a small, informal group made up of people who were all accomplished in various traditional martial arts. We were all seasoned fighters, didn't accept anything as valid in its stylized form, and therefore tested the practical application of EVERYTHING. We worked each technique over and over for weeks at a time, in various ways, and under different conditions. We'd start off really light and cooperative, to learn the basic movements, but would progressively increase the resistance until we got to multi-attacker randori. The result was that our Aikido did not look like the seamless, swirling motions of demonstrations and traditional dojos, but it worked in the real world. I now know that's exactly what happens when you train any traditional art with live resistance - it has to change to become more functional. As a general rule, then, I don't argue when people trash Aikido. I get it. I've seen the lack of actual fighting ability that most Aikidokas display. But I also know that I've used Aikido effectively in the real world, that irimi and tenkan are legit footwork, and that the wrist locks absolutely work in a range of situations. Add to that, there's a lot of shared DNA between Aikido, Jujitsu, and Judo, and lots of opportunities for adopting and blending elements of them.

    • @alexandrenedellec7116
      @alexandrenedellec7116 2 года назад +6

      Yeah basically sparring makes it work ....that good you have this in your school

    • @hysterical5408
      @hysterical5408 2 года назад +17

      I find it neat that I don't think you're experience is "non-traditional" at all. I say this as someone who isn't interested in Akido but from what I've researched, the first students of the style's founder were all seasoned fighters in Karate and Judo at least. Generally speaking that's what I think Akido should be, something that isn't someone's first martial art, but instead something for a seasoned fighter to do. Not to mention I'm pretty sure the founder was a pacifist, which I could see being the cause of people trying to use it for a context that it was never meant to be for. But that's just the conclusion I came to and like I said, I ain't experienced with it so take it with a grain of salt.

    • @spitzfire1107
      @spitzfire1107 2 года назад +13

      The fact is the founder itself Morihei Ueshiba Sensei only accepts students that had experience on other Martial Arts or already Seasoned Fighters. Example his students such as Gozo Shioda, Kenji Tomiki, Koichi Tohei and Minuro Mochizuki are all seasoned Judoists prior to their Aikido training.

    • @sinenomine5379
      @sinenomine5379 2 года назад +2

      Hi
      I am going through a similar process.
      Do you have any advice in making aikido more functional ?

    • @charlescollier7217
      @charlescollier7217 2 года назад +11

      @@sinenomine5379 keep testing whatever you learn against real opposition. Our running joke in our group was that the acid test of a technique was how it worked against one particular member of the group - a very, very large guy whom we dubbed our sumo wrestler. There was no muscling through anything with him. If the biomechanics really worked, you would throw him. If not, it was going to be a long night.

  • @KuzushiKev
    @KuzushiKev 2 года назад +19

    JD seems like a humble guy and it’s good to see aikido looked at with an open mind

  • @Jo-id9zm
    @Jo-id9zm 2 года назад +55

    As a life long karateka, with experience in a bunch of other martial arts (including a couple of years of aikido training), I can confirm that aikido has taught me many useful things in terms of avoiding attacks and using some of its techniques as a surprise factor. In summary, by itself it’s not the best of arts, but useless it most certainly is not.
    Great video, Seth. Keep it up.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 года назад +2

      True

    • @revariox189
      @revariox189 2 года назад +5

      Only those with poor understanding of Martial Arts say that any art is useless. They all have value.

    • @inertial_salmon
      @inertial_salmon 2 года назад

      @@revariox189 well.... Of the real martial arts anyway 😂

  • @papaschlumpf5894
    @papaschlumpf5894 2 года назад +16

    I started with Karate when I was 16 or so, just doing it for a few years until I had no more time for it in my army time. Later, I started studying Biology and looked for some sports at university. Found Aikido. Now the real kick was not only the combination of Karate and Aikido - any one of these alone is not the real burner. But in combination it works quite well. Karate did fill the gaps that Aikido leaves, but also vice versa. But, as I said, the real fun was that, as a Biologist, you know quite well how the human body, its bones, its nerves, its muscles and its joints work. And you know, as well, how it does not work. And this is what Aikido does: forcing the body into something it simply can't do.
    By the way - you can't do many Aikido techniques with clumsy boxing gloves. That explains your lack of success ;)

  • @lionmartialartsacademy4014
    @lionmartialartsacademy4014 2 года назад +91

    I’m glad he made the distinction with it being against swords. It’s what I’ve always said. The part about when dude said “Wing Chun?” Aikido “close enough” hurt my heart 😭💔

    • @thecashier930
      @thecashier930 2 года назад +17

      I actually never knew that. But it makes a lot of sense. When looking at it as grappling-with-a-sword it immediatley makes a few things clear. 1. This is uncomplete. There's a lot of context happening around this martial art to make it make sense. 2. It reminded me A LOT about grappling and wrestling techniques with weapons from HEMA. Like the fact that there's a lot of wrist locks and wrist control.

    • @SwordTune
      @SwordTune 2 года назад +3

      Neither styles can stop a blast double, and that's all that matters to the wrestler.

    • @swietoslaw
      @swietoslaw 2 года назад

      sorry but no. aikido is not samurai grappling with a sword and never was its somewhat based on that but its only make it more unpractical ;)

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA 2 года назад +4

      @@SwordTune Pretty sure most martial arts have "raising a knee" and I've seen UFC fighters literally having their skills fractured because they did that takedown attempt to someone who lifted one leg slightly. I dunno why grapplers are always so arrogant claiming their style is the best when strikers long since got through it to the phase that it isn't the style but training.

    • @hysterical5408
      @hysterical5408 2 года назад +2

      @@swietoslaw but that isn't what was said though. Aikido is just that, Aikido

  • @TehDMCmaniac
    @TehDMCmaniac 2 года назад +8

    As an Aikido practitioner, this video was super fun to watch! Thanks for the effort!

  • @CallMeHardie
    @CallMeHardie 2 года назад +21

    Thank you for making this video, as a former Aikido student [ among others ], you've provided the right information about the martial art. I also believe that most practioners today are in it cause its fun [ not for it's practicality ] , to be able to throw someone across the room knowing that they'd be alright, cause you trust that they know how to roll, to be able to do the techniques in a flowing "drilled in" way with a higher belt is very satisfying. The rolls and various joint locks has increased my durabilty to spar with other martial art styles like bjj and helped me with my evasiveness within other sports.

  • @marcelklein3879
    @marcelklein3879 2 года назад +3

    I believe Aikido originally is designed for the ancient battlefield. When the samurai lost his sword, techniques like Aikido were the last line of defense. I think that's the reason for the focus on wrist locks.

    • @Beowulf245
      @Beowulf245 2 года назад +2

      Finally. I found this one and only person (besides myself) on the Internet who understands that. Thank you, sir.

  • @supes0
    @supes0 2 года назад +18

    Thank you for that bit at the end explaining why Aikido practitioners are always flying around. Flip over or broken wrist, I always chose flipping over. I think a lot of people miss the point. First, try to avoid a fight. Second, if someone is trying to hit you because you couldn't avoid the fight, try not to get hit (that's what all the big circular motions are for). Third, you're probably going to get hit, so fall down a lot at the dojo and condition your body to take a little abuse so that you can exploit your opponents momentum when they do hit you.
    All that being said, it's not meant to take into the octagon, and don't go picking fights with pros (or anybody, really. It's the way of harmony, be cool, bro). I've used the wrist locks and arm control stuff to escort a few rowdy drunks out of bars. They get REAL compliant when they think their hand is about to be removed, but it does no permanent harm.

    • @DoctorZisIN
      @DoctorZisIN 2 года назад +3

      Exactly. I don't understand all these people proclaiming that "MMA (or whatever) is superior". Superior for what? For cage fighting, sure, but people are constantly talking about real life. In real life there's no reason to fight if someone is in front of you bouncing up and down... just walk away from the idiot. You use Aikido when someone is actually coming at you with force.

    • @krestonosets68
      @krestonosets68 2 года назад

      @@DoctorZisIN Aikido that works is Daito Ryu Aikijutsu.

    • @spiceweasel945
      @spiceweasel945 2 месяца назад

      @@krestonosets68 ..or it’s just Aikido that has ben well taught and well trained. Sadly not as common as it should be, to be sure, but Aikido still works. I’ve trained it, I’ve had to use it and in real life self defence situations, it turns out it that training in Aikido for a few years can train your reflexes and instincts in ways you didn’t realise. It’s NOT about applying set techniques in combat. If you think that, then of course you can’t see how it could work. Hence all the armchair experts and keyboard warriors with loads of opinions but no actual real world experience with it.

  • @thatoneleftist
    @thatoneleftist 2 года назад +10

    Seth, big props as always for your good-faith approach and curious mind! And while you may be a beginner with Aikido, 5:39 was some international grandmaster dad joke energy and absolutely sent me

  • @Azazel47
    @Azazel47 2 года назад +487

    As someone who did aikido for quite a while (I quit just before the black belt exam) and then moved on to other, more functional martial arts, I came up with this metaphor: aikido is like a pilot school that teaches you how to fly a plane and how to land a plane, but not how to take off and only in perfect weather. The main reason is the noble, but incredibly foolish idea that is the base of aikido: teaching self-defense without giving someone the ability to attack. There is, deep down, the remnants of a functional martial art there (you can see a lot of similar things in jujitsu, judo and many types of use-of-force training), but years of this semi-pacifistic ideology and noncompetitiveness have caused it to become this outlandish and dance-like performance.

    • @AljosaPLampe
      @AljosaPLampe 2 года назад +65

      @Malus Yes quite a lot of them

    • @andregynus
      @andregynus 2 года назад +69

      I have trained Aikido for 20 years, and I have never heard a better synthesis of the main problem (I know there are many) with Aikido...
      "Teaching self-defense without giving someone the ability to attack." This is a jewel!

    • @Azazel47
      @Azazel47 2 года назад +37

      @Malus Odd question. Do martial arts teach you how to fight? Yes, and some do it better than others. To say no would imply that warriors have for thousands of years of history trained combat skills for no real reason.

    • @Red80008
      @Red80008 2 года назад +1

      I like your attempt but I don't think that metaphor is applicable here.
      If you compare Aikido to flying in perfect weather you would also have to compare real fights to bad weather and then I would argue that apart from military installations there are no flight schools that only teach flying in bad weather...
      I see what you're saying but Aikido is not meant to be a flight school to begin with, it just looks like it. It's a school that shows you ways around the desire to fly in the first place.
      Aikido, unlike most other martial arts, is non-competative. For a reason. It teaches the theory of how to not fight and still not getting instantly fu*ked.
      And yes, under very certain conditions and just as most other theories, it might only work under certain indefinable conditions.
      But it remains just what it is: just a theory. One that's fun to work with but not applicable for all situations and only very limited to a self defense situation...

    • @Tigermaster1986
      @Tigermaster1986 2 года назад +12

      >>The main reason is the noble, but incredibly foolish idea that is the base of aikido: teaching self-defense without giving someone the ability to attack.
      ---
      I started practicing aikido about 16 years ago. Thanks to a bunch of (unrelated) injuries and other problems that I don't want to discuss here, I can only say I've practiced for about five years, but I have met a lot of masters from three continents. Literally not a single one of them has ever said something like this. Hell, my first instructor actually got some of his students with experience in karate and kickboxing to train us how to punch.

  • @Sei783
    @Sei783 2 года назад +69

    I studied Aikido under Amir Ardebeli, who taught it as part of his MMA class. I have trained at a few schools, but Amir teaches a very grounded and practical martial art. Although we did not do a lot of Aikido, the techniques I learned with hm have remained at the top of my kit for the last 20 years.

    • @krestonosets68
      @krestonosets68 2 года назад +3

      He probably taught you Daito Ryu Aikijutsu.

  • @gmkgoat
    @gmkgoat 2 года назад +126

    JD's practice of pulling in BJJ guys to spar with his Aikido guys during the belt testing is pretty interesting. Presumably they can't be compliant if they don't know how. I'd love to see how it worked out in practice.

    • @aikidoboynj
      @aikidoboynj 2 года назад +3

      Def, I think it would be great to see

    • @negativezero3107
      @negativezero3107 2 года назад +2

      a lot a broken arms or choked out guys haha, matters if the Aiki is doing the brutal version " gotta snap this guys arm so he cannot use his sword".

  • @Romstine
    @Romstine 2 года назад +6

    I think what you can get out of Aikido is some extra ways of control. Our grappling instructor always implements them in our routines. Not as a single tool but mostly something that complements the control you have of somebody. Like for example instead of grabbing only the wrist of someone, you can grab their hands, not to submit but to better control them. Instead of only grabbing the ankles for a guard pass grab the foot near the middle, it severely restricts the leg's range of motion.

  • @mr.m12345
    @mr.m12345 2 года назад +34

    I am glad you explained the "dramatic flying through the air" bit. I believe that is why most people thing this is a garbage martial art because of that. They teach the students to do that, because, as your instructor was say, "you can decide to do the break fall or get your shoulder dislocated". Its the same as spinning with an arm bar to relieve the pressure and hopefully get back to a better position or at least not get your arm broke. Its probably not the most practical martial art, but it does have some merits and you can pick and choose what works and what doesn't, just like any other martial art.

    • @Vincent_Beers
      @Vincent_Beers 2 года назад +5

      Most aikido locks are like that, they are breaks/dislocations on an unsuspecting opponent when used for defence. But in practice the opponent needs to flow with you to prevent injury. It's also almost all defence and the philosophy is respond, but disengage and leave as soon as you can.
      There's no intention of attacking with it, which is why you see virtually all aikido teachers have experience with other martial arts styles for a more rounded skill set.

    • @dutchraider2
      @dutchraider2 2 года назад +5

      @@Vincent_Beers This. Aikido is indeed more for disengagement. Working with the opponent's attack to prevent damage to yourself and get that opponent in a situation where you can control him/her and solve the situation, or get the opponent away from you so you can get the hell out of there. Also the breakfall and rolling will help a lot in preventing injuries when falling. They're basically comparable to how people in parkour soften their landings so they don't get injured in jumps. It's all about self defense, injury prevention and solving a fight as peacefully and quickly as possible. Rather than most martial arts which focus directly on the fighting aspect itself.
      Aikido is not meant to be used in a duel or war scenario. It's an 'oh shit someone attacks me, let's redirect his attack so I don't get damaged or get him off me and get the hell outta here' type of martial arts. I.O. self defense.

    • @ScottyMcLagan
      @ScottyMcLagan 2 года назад +1

      @@Vincent_Beers This is the sort of comment I was looking for... I know next to nothing about Aikido but the little I think I understand from reading is that is (or... was) intended exclusively for defence, from an attacker already committed to an attack. This is (partly) while all these all old demo videos involve people bum-rushing the old master and getting tossed (and I guess they just got increasingly fanciful as time went on, distance from roots, competition to look cool, etc.).
      A probably slightly reductionist understanding (but kinda how I see it) is that Judo, Aikido (and I guess ultimately BJJ, and presumably more obscure styles) occurred because in the Meiji-era (later-19th, early 20th centuries), anything traditional was out, anything Western or "modern" was in. So jujutsu masters and so on couldn't make a living, and the few wanting to learn it couldn't find teachers. The founder of Judo did manage to learn, but when it came to teaching he took his personal style, I'm guessing dropped a load of weaponry-based stuff (?) gave it a different name, and added some lifestyle-philosophy fluff to it (OK; this may be insulting; but I'm not familiar with the details).
      The founder of Aikido did the same thing: added some lifestyle-advice-philosophy (whatever the equivalent would be around the turn of the 19th/20th centuries), took the same path of Judo (as in, maximum efficiency, minimal energy expended) but also with the idea of minimising harm to the assailant. The aforementioned fluff (sorry) around the spirit of the art seems to me to be almost pacifistic. I guess if you can get some Aikido throws to work, maybe a selling point about the art is that, if you deck someone, least chance of a lawsuit/time spent explaining to police.
      He also mentions they vary the stance because the original was for blades and this is A Thing for a lot of the maligned older Asian arts (same in the Wing-Chun vid; probably many others). Guy charging with a pretend knife and gets flipped? And it looks like maybe 50/50 it would work; 50/50 he'd get stabbed/slashed? Well, at least some of the bread and butter was way-back-when intended for heavily-armoured samurai, who did not need to fear being stabbed or slashed (tackled and stabbed under the armpit or visor, moreso). And if you've suddenly found yourself fighting with your hands on a battlefield, 50/50 odds of emerging alive probably seem pretty good.
      Sorry for the TL;DR

  • @logant-r304
    @logant-r304 Год назад +2

    So my father was a police officer for over 30 years, he also had a 2nd degree black belt in Kempo Karate, a 3rd degree black belt in Tang So Do and a 2nd degree black belt in Aikido.
    He used Aikido the most out of all of them, especially the wrist locks. Apparently it's really good at subduing people without hurting them all that much

    • @Akaeus
      @Akaeus Год назад

      Yep, that's exactly the purpose of Aikido

  • @Rlistener
    @Rlistener 2 года назад +76

    Great video, very interesting
    I’d love to see you pursue this a little further
    Maybe do an intense 5 day course of Aikido and try again? Or give us an update on your sparring in a few weeks to see if you kept the new techniques?

    • @krakulandia
      @krakulandia 2 года назад +11

      I'd love to see that too. I'm not an aikido guy at all, but I find this very interesting. What techniques could actually be adapted to more jiujitsu/kickboxing type of situations? There seems to be potential in certain techniques as we saw in this video. I'd like to see that potential uncovered some more.

    • @BlakeMcCringleberry
      @BlakeMcCringleberry 2 года назад +3

      @@krakulandia I think it might be an interesting alternative to Rokas' journey. Rokas is great, but he wasn't a serious fighter when he fought the MMA fighter. Seth doesn't seem very serious about much at all, but at least he would be coming to this from a fighting background, which is what the early Aikido practitioners were all rumored to be.
      Someone else mentioned that Aikido is like flight school: for beginners, focusing on perfect weather and very limited actual experience. But what if it's more like an 8000 grit sharpening stone: mostly unnecessary except as a way to perfect the edge of the skills taught elsewhere.

    • @SenseiSeth
      @SenseiSeth  2 года назад +54

      Seems like the next thing for me is to do more than a day

    • @Rlistener
      @Rlistener 2 года назад +3

      @@krakulandia yeah I’m not an Aikido guy either, I’d rather offer @SenseiSeth as tribute
      And see how he fairs 😂

    • @moz5831
      @moz5831 2 года назад +6

      @@SenseiSeth you seem always such a goofball, but then you twist a muay thai -bag in half with a sidekick or your greatest feat yet, pulling some fuckin aikido against a resisting wrestler after studying it a one day. I don’t think people realise how hard that is, even most aikido black belts couldn’t do shit against even a beginner wrestler.

  • @GlobeHackers
    @GlobeHackers 2 года назад +6

    I didn't think of it as a fighting art back when I lived in Japan for ten years. Ukemi is a great exercise for your core. I thought of Aikido more as dance. I loved it. Mainly I enjoy that the movement comes from kenjutsu. You did a very good job here and your choice of instructors was the right one. Best

  • @Keishidojo
    @Keishidojo 2 года назад +126

    For the record I'm wearing wrestling shoes due to a cut on my foot

    • @AutismArchon
      @AutismArchon 2 года назад +8

      I do judo and we always preach safety first! Good of you to keep everyone safe and healthy.

    • @MrNickW123
      @MrNickW123 2 года назад +7

      How did you find time to get that many belts

    • @kalbahl
      @kalbahl 2 года назад +2

      I thought they were Jordan's loll

    • @moz5831
      @moz5831 2 года назад +7

      I thought it was a metaphorical. Sensei has the hakama and gi on, but under the hakama you can see his real colours.

    • @martialartsunlimited01
      @martialartsunlimited01 2 года назад +6

      @@MrNickW123 been training consistently for the majority of my life. Just never stop

  • @dirkbruere
    @dirkbruere Год назад +1

    Most Aikido techniques will work if preceded with atemi. That is, if you (say) strike someones eyes then they are going to miss what you are about to do with their arm/wrist etc

  • @manuelrabago6243
    @manuelrabago6243 2 года назад +31

    Sensei Seth, great video and I want to tell you a short story. I am 51 years old and have practiced Karate (Shotokan) Wu Shu (Nan chuan) And then the 3 main bushido styles, Aikido, Iaido and Kendo. I have met 2 Aikido Sensei over the years, one mexican, one german. Both very big guys and have seen both being attacked by several styles of martial arts and every single time the opponent ended on the ground (including myself) Both have another martial art grade, one in Karate and the second in Judo, I am sure this made them better in their practice of Aikido but; Aikido is the martial art they both still love, practice and teach, they are both great fighters. I strongly believe that Aikido performed correctly is still a great MA, Cheers!

  • @leviefrauim1425
    @leviefrauim1425 2 года назад +3

    Good for you for being open-minded. Aikido is not for everyone. I studied/trained in it for a decade and loved it. By far , it was the toughest, most challenging martial art I ever tried to learn and also the one I found most fulfilling.
    As a LEO, my goal was to learn skills that did not require striking/kicking, more so control in close quarter situations. Aikido was perfect for that and I never injured any arrestee or myself- no broken knuckles or feet! I'd tie people into pretzels and eventually submission, generally w/out getting sweaty.
    As for the dramatic flying movements in aikido, that comes from the blending between partners so that we don't injure each other. If I slapped one of those techniques on an unknowing individual, chances are injury would occur.

  • @littlestoneliontraditional9838
    @littlestoneliontraditional9838 2 года назад +16

    Love these videos of you trying other arts. 🔥

  • @prestfeldt
    @prestfeldt 2 года назад +80

    As an avid fan of aikido principles, I was glad to see where it ended up. The specific techniques we teach in Aikido are meant to teach principles of body mechanics and motion, not be the exact combative movement. I would say that after one class, he implemented what he learned pretty well. On the other hand, the principles in Aikido exist in most martial arts, including the one he already ranked in. So, it's really just a different way to prepare the same meal, if trained properly. Nice work Sensei Seth, and Olson Sensei.

    • @ammagnolia
      @ammagnolia 2 года назад +3

      Yeah but it doesnt do anything for real life. It's fun to dance though and play dance fight :)

    • @krestonosets68
      @krestonosets68 2 года назад

      @@OneLoneMan Aikido that works against an enemy is Daito Ryu Aikijutsu.

    • @krestonosets68
      @krestonosets68 2 года назад +2

      @@OneLoneMan Aikido was developed from Daito-ryu and the techniques you used as a police are actually Daito-ryu techniques which are nearly 1000 years old.

    • @HATEFakeToughGuys
      @HATEFakeToughGuys 2 года назад

      @@OneLoneMan stop it.
      Stopppppp

    • @spiceweasel945
      @spiceweasel945 2 месяца назад

      @@ammagnolia..actually it does work in real life.

  • @2teepeepictures382
    @2teepeepictures382 2 года назад +12

    Whenever people talk about Aikido I am reminded of my first martial arts instructor. He was a correctional‘s officer who worked part time as a bar bouncer and taught martial arts as his passion sign project. He told me that he absolutely loved aikido. He had a very similar body type as sensei Seth. The kind of person that could literally pick you up and throw you or drag you out of your car by your head through the windshield if he felt like it. Just somebody who has to literally defend their life as a part of their job it gave me a respect for aikido. I don’t know why he said he loved it so much but he did so there has to be some thing there. Of course there’s a big difference between the type of fighting that a correctional‘s officer has to do and the type of fighting that a MMA fighter has to do so I suppose it all is in the context

    • @TGPDrunknHick
      @TGPDrunknHick 2 года назад +1

      It's probably because as a big guy you can get away with more things and absorb more resistance. it means you can brute force your way into situations smaller people might need to finese.
      generally no one complains about the submissions of Aikido that I know of. mostly just how people implement them. somone that big might not have issues forcing it onto people whereas you're average sized man probably can't.
      I mean I could be totally wrong still, just a thought.

    • @2teepeepictures382
      @2teepeepictures382 2 года назад +1

      @@TGPDrunknHick oh no that’s definitely a thing. Also this man had 15 years of taekwondo under his belt. He actually wants to put a crack in a re-breakable board so he was definitely strong enough to make something work. He was also not limited to just aikido moves.
      I heard that the founder of Aikido used to weigh less experienced martial artist learn who had practiced in other disciplines. Of course there is information I learned from RUclips so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

    • @uptorest
      @uptorest 2 года назад +3

      My guess is that Aikido kept him out of trouble. If he's a CO, depending on where he is, he could face questions/consequences for hurting an inmate, even if its self-defense. Aikido gives you a lot of control using very little effort and protects both parties. Obv not a foundational martial art, but it has a lot of potential for trained fighters.

    • @Pupcan
      @Pupcan 2 года назад

      @@uptorest Well put! I'm reminded of the wedding reception scenario, where quietly putting a drunken relative into a joint-lock is less disruptive than kicking that same relative into the wedding cake.

  • @arudd909
    @arudd909 Год назад +2

    I took Aikido in college and it was awesome, so much of it is psychological and how you think about the situations. So much of what makes it work is your mindset behind the moves/situation. I wish more places taught it. One of the students who had the hardest time was an MMA fighter who was taking the class.

  • @jamesfrankiewicz5768
    @jamesfrankiewicz5768 2 года назад +15

    The method of entering into sankyō that he teaches starting at about 5:40 is the most risky version of getting there, you usually need an atemi (strike) while entering underneath to limit the viability of your opponent using their free hand to stop you from doing the technique. You can also get to that same sankyō joint lock by first doing the elbow control technique, ikkyō (2:10), then transitioning to the joint lock (which is much safer).

    • @jtilton5
      @jtilton5 2 года назад +1

      The Saito Sensei version is like that, though in his style they use a body check to lock the arm down during the transition from IKKYO to SANKYO.

    • @jamesfrankiewicz5768
      @jamesfrankiewicz5768 2 года назад

      @@jtilton5 Good tidbit on the bodycheck. I haven't really been a fan of the Saito-style reach-under transition (seems awkward), but I can see how a bodycheck during that would make it more viable.
      I like the transition Yamada-sensei uses where you keep elbow control, but fold the opponents hand back with your other hand then go to the 2-on-1 grip as the opponent rises. I acknowledge it might be less viable if opponent has unusually strong wrists and is savvy to the manipulation, but it's nothing a knee to the ribs can't fix! (Maybe I'm also partial to some of Chiba-sensei's approaches.)

    • @ocaikiclub2859
      @ocaikiclub2859 2 года назад

      Agree! I would train this more as a transition from a failed shihonage to take advantage of the pulling motion.

    • @joeridestrijcker445
      @joeridestrijcker445 2 года назад

      well, he was technically doing uchikaiten sankyo... every technique like that requires some form of atemi, even if just to control ma'ai; the basic is indeed to go to ikkyo and from there either continue or move to nikkyo, sankyo, yonkyo etc; that being said... if you DO manage to apply uchikaiten sankyo, uke needs to very quickly tip-toe backwards or might get injured; sankyo is what I'm apparently quite good at, according to my colleagues...

  • @sirprise9548
    @sirprise9548 2 года назад +33

    As a blackbelt in aikido myself, its very interesting to see a style of aikido that is so fundamentally different from all that ive learned in my 12 years. Very cool video!

    • @lukej7283
      @lukej7283 2 года назад +2

      That tells me Aikido is fake af

    • @sirprise9548
      @sirprise9548 2 года назад +3

      @@lukej7283 wdym fake?

    • @lukej7283
      @lukej7283 2 года назад

      @@sirprise9548 how can two different aikido be fundamentally different unless one of those schools is fake.

    • @sirprise9548
      @sirprise9548 2 года назад +6

      @@lukej7283 1. What fo you mean with fake?
      2. You can have 2 different interpretations of something with bith of them being correct

    • @naj4261
      @naj4261 2 года назад +6

      @@lukej7283 Styles can be different. Karate has many different styles, some without katas, others with. Then there are styles where head butts is integral to combos, like a 1-2-head butt combo. So i dont see how aikido cant also be like that

  • @FreestyleMartialArtist
    @FreestyleMartialArtist 2 года назад +64

    That Sankyo/“you’re welcome” joke had me rolling.
    I really like their approach to applying aikido on the ground. Obviously grappling becomes much easier when your opponent is restricted by the ground, so it makes sense that you can apply aikido on the ground.
    That being said, I really don’t think aikido as a whole will ever hold up in full contact, consensual fighting. I think it depends too much on the opponent not reacting once you begin your technique.
    However, I don’t think aikido was meat to be done in that context anyway. I feel like it really shines in the “pre fight.” When you and a given opponent aren’t trading hands yet, but the fight is definitely about to happen. When they haven’t initiated yet and you get the drop on them, you can really make aikido shine.
    Then again, if you get the drop on somebody, pretty much anything will shine

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 года назад +3

      Exactly!! Aikido is also meant for someone that is either trying to swing a sword at you or is overly comitting to one strike and thus putting to much power into it, something that good fighter will not do.

    • @cliffordchase319
      @cliffordchase319 2 года назад +1

      Sanyo! I had the delayed hour before I got it. !

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 2 года назад +1

    9:35
    Wing chun, the style that overemphasizes "just keep punching them" vs Aikido, the style that overemphasizes not punching at all.
    A wrestler: "Can they stop my takedown? No? Then what's the difference?"

  • @Markperna1
    @Markperna1 2 года назад +10

    I had kind of a similar experience. One of my BJJ coaches has an Aikido background. I was a bit skeptical until he started throwing me around. I think, like a lot of classical martial arts, it has merits that can be incorporated into a bigger martial arts worldview but aren’t very complete on their own. Also, their training methods are maybe a bit too reliant on a compliant partner. But starting with a good grappling base like BJJ and wrestling, Aikido has a few moves that could enhance those arts particularly when trained under real grappling pressure.

  • @ormonde021
    @ormonde021 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely best video I've ever watched about Aikido! It shows that some MOVES in Aikido do make sense but as a Martial Art it is pretty ineffective!
    Great work! Thanks

  • @toulcit
    @toulcit 2 года назад +6

    If anyone is interested in the tougher aikido forms closer to aikijujitsu I recommend Yoshinkan or takemusu. What makes Aikido work is the connection and the tension you can add to the body starting with joint manipulation but this is all steered by hip movement. To train this form weapon excercise really help. Also earlier styles involve a lot of atemi's and shouting (kiai). But I really appreciate the effort that he is exploring other martial arts.I recommend anyone to try at least a few before committing to one.

    • @ray7892-d6i
      @ray7892-d6i 2 года назад +2

      yes I agree, I'm doing Iwama ryu aikido which considered as 'the hard style/ryu' and also do karate. I found that the two martial arts are complementing each other...

    • @tilltanky5367
      @tilltanky5367 2 года назад +1

      To-shin-do taijutsu ninjutsu (which was what I did) is the PERFECT blend of aikido/aikijutsu, juijutsu, and karate. The different belt levels correspond to the move sets in each of those score mentioned martial arts. The branch of Ninjutsu I did was HEAVILLY focused on real-world self-defense, with many private security teams training at my dojo.

    • @lukediehl1210
      @lukediehl1210 2 года назад

      I've got some experience with Yoshinkan, and I'll second that. When we were first learning shomenuchi iriminage, some guys scoffed and said it would never work. Sensei pointed to one of them, a 6'4" rugby player, and said, "Come at me." It didn't go well for the kid. I've never seen an aikidoka move that fast before.

  • @The_Jimrod
    @The_Jimrod 2 года назад +71

    I come from a Karate, kickboxing and TaeKwondo background and did Aikido for a few months in my late teens - I have to say that in real life situations (I haven't had many) where you're up close in confined spaces, its base techniques have always been the ones I've used to greatest effect. You don't always want or need to KO someone, just stop or control them. It's getting the basics of joint manipulation and movement which seems to be the fundamental element, I had no time to learn it in depth but the essence of the techniques was enough to freestyle with. As others have said - it's a handy addition to the armoury rather than an all-round style.

    • @robinbarrett6671
      @robinbarrett6671 2 года назад +7

      I have done bjj judo and some aikido. The most effective in dangerous situations has been aikido. Fear in a confrontation creates one dimensional thinking when some useful aikido moves have worked. Not in a dojo when an athletic person is ready.

    • @roberjohnsmith
      @roberjohnsmith 2 года назад +1

      There is a wrist grip that my brother who is a black belt taught me. And all through my years in grade school I wasn't the biggest. But if someone wanted to wrestle or mouth me around a little bit i could usually get this wrist lock on and toss any 150 lb freak 13 year old to the ground. And even today in grappling I use it and it messes with people. But it's super dangerous because if they resist, it sprains and eventually will snap their wrist. But the pain is too real, nobody resists once it's in

    • @roberjohnsmith
      @roberjohnsmith 2 года назад

      @@robinbarrett6671 exactly this! In a gym it's not really easy to pull off. But some unsuspecting loser trying to be a bully never sees the wrist lock coming

    • @roberjohnsmith
      @roberjohnsmith 2 года назад

      @James Cheddar lol. You wouldn't be able to if we were already closed quarters grappling. But wait... You're 300 pounds? I would just box you from the outside then lol

  • @PaleoGreenByrd
    @PaleoGreenByrd 2 года назад +10

    You are so kind to all martial arts. Even the ones you know have little application in real life. You are an example of the personality we should all strive to achieve.

    • @SirPraiseSun
      @SirPraiseSun 2 года назад

      absolutely being too nice to these fraurds is why we have 70% of martial arts schools if not way more full of utter bullshyte we have to call them out its dangerous industry of fraud lying to people and geting them hurt

    • @PaleoGreenByrd
      @PaleoGreenByrd 2 года назад

      @@SirPraiseSun I suppose... But we are all independently responsible for getting on the mat and seeing what works and what doesn't. If you are relying on your Dojo to ensure you are a skilled fighter, then you should probably re-evaluate your assessment process. The dojo teaches you technique, fighting teaches you fighting.

  • @LuMartinelli
    @LuMartinelli Год назад +2

    Good comment on the breakfalls. Most people out there make the mistake of criticizing Aikido as unrealistic because of the way ukes fly aroung during demonstrations, and while sometimes there is an element of flashiness to it, they miss the fact that breakfalls are actually a CHOICE and a defense against techniques that otherwise would result in injury. A well executed breakfall, even in a real situation would still be the correct choice for keeping you in the fight, albeit with a couple bruises, against the dislocation of a joint. This is one of the things that is hard to see from a spectator point of view and can usually only be understood in practice.

  • @hawkgirl0912
    @hawkgirl0912 2 года назад +8

    Hey Seth, concerning your being super jacked, it's not bragging if it's true!😂 Love the "Learning with Seth" series! More please and thank you Sensei!

  • @ridleyroid9060
    @ridleyroid9060 Год назад +1

    I trained Aikido in high school and while I will never use it in a fight (mostly cause I dont really want to get to a point where I have to fight because if I do I am fucked), training it really helped me physically. Learning the breakfalls and doing the techniques helped me with mobility and generally helped me loose a lot of weight and gain a lot of confidence back then, as I was a bullied by everyone fat immobile kid.
    Now since the pandemic Ive gained a lot of it back, but I am still fairly mobile because of my former training. Granted that could have been any martial art with throwing but I did it with Aikido so I am thankful.

  • @BlakeMcCringleberry
    @BlakeMcCringleberry 2 года назад +5

    My vote on yesterday's community post worked.
    I have the power!

    • @MarcuustheMoose
      @MarcuustheMoose 2 года назад

      I'm sad it wasn't TKD.

    • @BlakeMcCringleberry
      @BlakeMcCringleberry 2 года назад

      @@MarcuustheMoose I think he already did TKD at least once in the past. It's where he learned that badass side kick.

    • @MarcuustheMoose
      @MarcuustheMoose 2 года назад

      @@BlakeMcCringleberry idk what you're talking about. But Ok!

  • @gengotaku
    @gengotaku Год назад

    Cool stuff Seth! It’s good to see people treating aikido with respect and trying it out instead of just hearing what people say about it and probably never had a single aikido class. Just took my black belt in aikido and love practicing it.

  • @prointernetuser
    @prointernetuser 2 года назад +39

    Definitely gotta get Rokas on the case. I think he's coming full circle now of finally figuring out a version of Aikido that works under pressure (personally opinion: it's pretty much judo)

    • @Veepee92
      @Veepee92 2 года назад +2

      Ueshiba actually wrote down a list of techniques specifically designed against Judoka. He really didn't think very much of it.

    • @Inv1cto
      @Inv1cto 2 года назад

      Yes. Rokas is a very experienced Aikido practitioner, and a great martial artist overall.

    • @michaelterrell5061
      @michaelterrell5061 2 года назад +1

      @@Veepee92 Ushiba had a judo black belt and trained under one of the first people to be taught by Sensei Kano. So he would know.
      Also could you please send me a link of that, I’d love to see it.

    • @itzatwister
      @itzatwister 2 года назад +1

      Um, no he didn't.

    • @strangeone7198
      @strangeone7198 2 года назад

      Haha right. Why do Akido when you can just do Judo...

  • @punymagus
    @punymagus 2 года назад

    Good to see Aikido, that was very fun to watch. [:
    I practice it for 10 years, just wanted to point out some things regarding your trial.
    I mean, you probably wont read it at this point anyway lol...
    7:42 Koshi Nage is part of Aikido curriculum, so you got 1 right at the beginning.
    7:47 Nikyo doesn't work when the opponent have the arm straight. For it to work, you need to control his elbow. In this case a way to set it up would be to move your body forwards instead of backwards making him flex the arm, so you could twist his wrist inwards and lower his flexed elbow. Or even use the other hand to pull his elbow, making it flex.
    8:15 Sankyo is not meant to be used on the sleeve, but on the hand.
    9:10 You almost did it here. I think you tried Ikkyo (which you actually got right at 9:13 that's why he's not comfortable), but you could have a Nikyo if you pulled his elbow instead of pushing it, or even maintain the Ikkyo by pulling his forearm towards your belly.
    9:20 That Nikyo could work if you passed your elbow over his arm to control his elbow. I think what actually made him move was the energy that you applied on his arm and not the wrist.
    10:35 No way it would work with gloves xD
    I think there are 3 main reasons why you couldn't make it work better:
    1 - You're not used to these techniques, therefore you're not used on watching out for openings that would befit them.
    2 - I noticed that whenever people try to learn and/or make Aikido effective, they always focus on what to do with their own body. "Where to grab?", "How to grab?", "I'll apply that one technique now". But it's not on your own body where you see the results of an Aikido technique, it's on the opponent.
    You can't make it work if you don't understand how your opponent's body has to behave in order to cause the pain or unbalancing (unless you're very strong and overpower it, but then that's not Aikido). The idea is to move yourself to control his body, which I think this is something you're very used to from sparring.
    3 - I also noticed that people think the Aikido Form is it all. Similar to other martial arts, the form is meant for understanding the basics.
    With that in mind, what I mean is that you don't need to focus on grabbing or performing a technique the exact same way you were taught, but rather put your opponent on that same position while using the resources you have at the moment. Like, there's no rule that say "if you use your leg to control his elbow, it's not Aikido", the only rule is "break the energy, don't go against it". I remember seeing similar situations on Rokas's sparring.
    A good example would be when your friend used the sword to show you how the movement works, but it works both with the hands, or the sword, or the staff, or your umbrella, or whatever. And the reason is not because the technique originated from X thing or another (I think it's actually Taiji, even before Daito Ryu) but just because the human body works in a specific way, and that's just biomechanics.
    And I don't mean to say anyone is bad or did a bad job, I meant I think these things are overlooked on these situations.
    I actually enjoy watching you all trying to make it work for yourselves and I also learn more and more on the process, and that's why I'm here.
    That's it. Take it with a grain of salt. These are only opinions of an Aikido practitioner that doesn't spar so... What do I know? xD
    Also, I'm not a native English speaker, so I apologize for my mistakes.
    Edit: Typos

  • @NoobZxReviewZ
    @NoobZxReviewZ 2 года назад +19

    Wow this actually makes me want to learn some Aikido now! I train in Krav Maga (and BJJ + kickboxing) and I find alot of the Judo + Jiu Jitsu base that helped form Krav Maga also has alot of Aikido knowledge in it too. Not so much in the flashy moves, but the close grappling and wrist locks are a huge factor in some of the more self-defence stuff we learn in my classes. Loved this vid! It really goes to show that every martial art is an extension of another in the grand family of martial arts!

    • @Superplexmusic
      @Superplexmusic 2 года назад

      I dont recommend it. I was a green belt and learned nothing practical. The wrist locks were kind of cool but bjj is way better. I learned more in one bjj class than I did in a year of aikido.

    • @shidoin5398
      @shidoin5398 Год назад

      @@Superplexmusic you were a green belt is telling. Everyone should cross train and learn from many arts. Bjj is excellent, however I wouldn't use it in a street fight against multiple attackers or against weapons. I've learned many arts over the years, but in this crazy world I now carry a firearm

  • @Andoyu
    @Andoyu 2 года назад

    I love your content, Seth, it’s really fun and encouraging to see you openly explore so many avenues of martial arts. With the utmost respect I’d like to ask why is it that so many people analyze and criticize aikido while disregarding the underlying philosophy and wider social context of its formulation? Specifically, the notion of trying to make aikido “work” in the context of combat directly contradicts the principles on which aikido was formulated.
    I think that the words of the founder, Morihei Ueshiba, sums those principles up best:
    “The Way of the Warrior has been misunderstood. It is not a means to kill and destroy others. Those who seek to compete and better one another are making a terrible mistake. To smash, injure, or destroy is the worst thing a human being can do. The real Way of a Warrior is to prevent such slaughter - it is the Art of Peace, the power of love.”
    To me, these strike me as the words of a former military man reconciling his experiences witnessing the atrocity of World War 2 and developing a martial art not meant to conquer others, but to conquer one’s the desire to conquer.

  • @TheNagorian
    @TheNagorian 2 года назад +12

    I mean, the last 10ish minutes of the vid should be you fighting JD, and he using aikido to neutralize you, to see how effective it could be.
    I've never trained aikido, but I did like what I saw for BJJ. The block break/elbow lift looked quite usable as well

    • @martialartsunlimited01
      @martialartsunlimited01 2 года назад +2

      Hmmmmm, a part II perhaps

    • @TheNagorian
      @TheNagorian 2 года назад

      @@martialartsunlimited01 Would be great to see your experience put to the test in this way, I'm guessing we have a lot to learn regarding the true applications here

  • @richie1713
    @richie1713 2 года назад

    Great video Seth thank you. You seemed genuinely honest in your approach and did well to leave any preconceptions behind. Well done.

  • @saadinhalf
    @saadinhalf 2 года назад +11

    As a former student of aikido and only having a vague basis in boxing, I learned a lot from aikido in terms of unpredictability and genuinely any form of redirection, but I think the major thing you learn from aikido is how to take pain and make it work. It’s not just about the grabs and the locks and the throws. Those are the techniques, sure, but when it comes down to it, the fundamental principle revolves around moving the source of the pain. I can take some intense locks and bars like a champ and sometimes find a way out of really sticky situations simply by going limp or intentionally falling with the hits to lead into something else. The more you learn to just let the hit do its thing, the less the hits do their thing, ironically, and it gives you a strong basis to counter with pretty much any other style

    • @Arrwmkr
      @Arrwmkr 2 года назад +1

      Yes the best thing I learnt from Aikido was to relax, and this even worked on the street when some drink guys walked into me, I was like clay and they went flying. It was incredible and the guy turned around and said, what was that!?

    • @Kapkeh
      @Kapkeh Год назад

      No offense buddy, but the things you say are the reason people with different MA backgrounds are sceptical about aikido.
      "take some intense locks and bars like a champ", if someone has you in a proper lock or bar, you need to tap or they will literally do damage to you no matter how good you can "take" that pain. You being able to "take" the pain means you never have been in a situation someone had a proper hold of you.
      "just let the hit do its thing, the less the hits do their thing", if you let a person with any striking background hit your liver, chin, leg (or pretty much anything else) and "intentionally fall" with the hit or just soak up the power by moving with it, you will get knocked down or KO-ed. I think you should rephrase that sentence into: "Just let the hit do it's thing, wake up in a different universe".
      JD seems to be an instructor who is not selling those shenanigans, so cheers to him. Cheers to Sensei Seth for having an open mindset and trying to learn from different art forms.

    • @ezekielgarza1150
      @ezekielgarza1150 Год назад

      The very little aikido training i have i picked up was finding angels and body mechanics

  • @catsandswords
    @catsandswords 2 года назад

    I dig this a lot. The big sweeping movements make a lot more sense in an armed context and a bunch of it mirrors what I know about Rondel dagger.

  • @greggasior5600
    @greggasior5600 2 года назад +6

    I’d love to see a follow up video where someone is attacking with weapon you might actually run into like a baseball bat, crowbar, even Icy Mike’s favorite flashlight… and how effective it is when they can’t try to gain wrist control.

    • @VeerleTakino
      @VeerleTakino 2 года назад +2

      From what I've seen it makes it slightly easier because it creates a bigger circle of attack with more momentum

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 2 года назад +4

    I've used Aikido more times than I can count. It saved my life when I was hit by a car and I've slipped, slid and fell out of countless grips in what few bar fights I've found myself in.
    If I were to try to describe aikido to someone who has no concept of martial arts, I'd say it teaches you a form of fundamental body control that can best be described as the difference between when a kid who does want to be picked up vs when a kid doesn't want to be picked up and effectively becoming a puddle and possessing the ability to freely switch between both states.

    • @FreedomIII
      @FreedomIII 2 года назад +1

      I wish Seth Sensei could get to the point in Aikido where you start learning about using multiple force vectors at the same time. There's so much interesting physics that goes on there but it takes a lot of practice to get the body to the point you described (and described well, I might add).

  • @DariusFisback
    @DariusFisback Год назад

    Aikido saved my life. A crazy roomaate I had tried to choke me, but thanks to my training in aikido and some other styles I was able to get out of it. Kote gaieshi was the technique I used. I have had to use it more than once. When people say aikido doesn't work it doesn't really get me upset, it just makes me wonder where, or if they've even trained in it let alone use it in a real life situation. Thank you Sensei Seth for trying these styles with an open andunbiased mind.

  • @myfaceismyshield5963
    @myfaceismyshield5963 2 года назад +12

    When I did Aikido as a kid, the first thing they taught us about the falling and flipping was that the point is that you avoid getting hurt.
    The techniques don't require anyone to do a flip, the technique is trying to apply pain or damage on the wrist, elbow or shoulder until whatever is in that hand is no longer a threat. The flips are there only to make training safe and comfortable. Also every wrist lock from the standing position has a variant on the ground, so technically any technique could be done with or without the flip even in a training setting. The slower takedowns that lead to grounded wrist locks are more for show, to really emphasise where the lock is and how the wrist or elbow need to be in the actual standing lock.
    We also very often used wooden tanto knives, wooden boken swords or even staffs in training... usually in a way that the attacker has the weapon and the defender is unarmed. So under those circumstances it becomes very clear what the whole point is in each technique.
    When people were ceremoniously getting their new belts, the weapons wouldn't really be used. I don't really know why and in general I think the biggest problem with Aikido isn't the martial art itself but rather the presentation. Aikido isn't about hitting or getting hit, it's about disarming and punishing an attacker. So Aikido pretty much can't really have contests or tournaments because there is no winner or loser. There's just a threat (usually a melee weapon) and a potential solution to the threat (usually a wrist-lock concealed as a "throw")

    • @daxasd3270
      @daxasd3270 2 года назад

      basically Aikido is "what to do when some maniac is running towards me with a sword and I've left mine at the restaurant entrance".

    • @myfaceismyshield5963
      @myfaceismyshield5963 2 года назад

      @@daxasd3270 pretty much.. some drunk idiot charges me with a broken bottle and I really don't want him to hit me with it but I also really just want to leave the situation instead of fighting. That's the best utility for it.

  • @bobbytheblade2550
    @bobbytheblade2550 2 года назад +1

    A day of training?
    ABSURD!

  • @Matt-pr6nl
    @Matt-pr6nl 2 года назад +6

    Be curious to see Sensei Seth do japanese jujitsu

  • @ttchmp
    @ttchmp 2 года назад

    Really apreciate how you go in with an open mind on these things

  • @DheyFeldh
    @DheyFeldh Год назад +10

    the one who invented Aikido is a martial art genius who have the speed of light thinking in how manipulate his opponents in a less agressive way. not many can master it

  • @jonathonrwills1825
    @jonathonrwills1825 2 года назад

    This Sensei is a brilliant and insightful instructor

  • @EqualizerCombatives
    @EqualizerCombatives 2 года назад +4

    So glad you did this Seth. Aikido was my first art I ever trained.

  • @JackDangles
    @JackDangles Год назад +1

    It looks like you're not really entering in and breaking your sparring partner's balance before you do techniques. If the person is balanced you're not in control of them. The key to getting Aikido techniques to actually work is to get Kuzushi. This is the same principle as in Judo. You must break the person's balance and posture before you can do Shihonage, kotegeishi or any joint locking technique. If they are perfectly balanced and you just try to grab someone's arm or wrist lock someone it will never work. They can just disengage or get out of it. You need to enter into their space, fully break their posture, then you have a chance to get something to work. If not it is just a fight of your brute strength vs their strength.

  • @cookiemonsteryummy2
    @cookiemonsteryummy2 2 года назад +3

    Hey man, do you think this style of Aikido you've learned is more or less practical than To-Shin Do (the "Ninjutsu" you've recently learned as well.)
    I'm curious as to what you think would be more effective since you seemed to have learned them both pretty recently, and Bujinkan/To-Shin Do is pretty looked down upon in the martial arts community for essentially being an newer art that's being toted as an ancient Japanese martial art, which it is not.
    Aikido and Ninjutsu(Bujinkan/To-Shin Do) both share a heavy stigma in the martial arts community and I'm curious what your take is on the subject as well. Thanks man! Love the videos!

  • @anardistformerlynigel5250
    @anardistformerlynigel5250 2 года назад

    I think it's great that you did this.
    Super awesome that you were working that joint manipulation with boxing gloves on and making it supplement the striking.

  • @daniel-meir
    @daniel-meir 2 года назад +4

    JD should have taught you techniques to be used in the types of sparrings that you did later. For example, once you put on gloves, the execution of ikkyo and other techniques changes. If you adapt the aiki principles to the situations then Aikido works, otherwise of course it doesn't.
    Also, learning minute techniques such as locks in one day is impossible but footwork and fight tactics is possible.

    • @FreedomIII
      @FreedomIII 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, the footwork and feett-hip-torso synergy exercises in Aikido are universally applicable. Even the basic "moves" in Aikido (1-kyou~5-kyou) end up mostly being training exercises that teach sub-black-belts how to move in combat.

  • @Aintnofrankinthisone
    @Aintnofrankinthisone 2 года назад +2

    Hey Sensei Seth. You just got a new subscriber. Your content is awesome and just keep going!

  • @vanoscrap6296
    @vanoscrap6296 2 года назад +4

    A series where you take more time in each system to really get some basics in would be nice. You'd become the Sensei Seth the Ultimate Disciple ;)

    • @captainkiwi77
      @captainkiwi77 2 года назад

      Like a less culturally invasive version of that show from the early 2000s fight quest, where 2 guys traveled practicing different martial arts.

  • @jacobpaint
    @jacobpaint 2 года назад

    I like your genuine approach. It’s hard to seperate out your biases with this sort of thing but I can see you really trying to question yourself as much as the technique.

  • @metrolinamartialarts
    @metrolinamartialarts 2 года назад +4

    Uh oh Sensei JD is gonna be the next Rokas?

  • @Raizgriz
    @Raizgriz 2 года назад

    loved all the wrist locks i learned alot of those aswell and in the same context too. its useful and quick to do. i think aikido is a good.

  • @razorslice99
    @razorslice99 2 года назад +6

    First off, I want to thank you for being real! Like a lot of questionable Martial Arts out there( no sparring Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, flowery Kung Fu styles etc) you openly spoke about how gimmicky they seemed. As the old saying goes if those arts were useless, they would not still be here. Aikido from my observation ( I am no expert nor do I have experience with Aikido) Aikido is not a stand alone art. Nor is it a dueling 🤺 art. It is for all out fighting. The art was made by a Master. Meaning he already had experience in fighting and had the knowledge to be practical with his art. The pre WW2 version anyway. Aikido( also Hapkido and other Aiki arts) can be used very effectively with a base in a combat sport/ fighting martial art. Thank you again for making videos about finding out for yourself. Instead of putting down an Art without experiencing it.

    • @j.murphy4884
      @j.murphy4884 2 года назад +4

      "if those arts were useless, they would not still be here."
      They can be useless and still be here, people who want to learn to fight is a much smaller market than people who want to be sold the myth they know how to fight.

    • @namakemono5155
      @namakemono5155 2 года назад +1

      @@j.murphy4884 definitely true, but fewer still, I suspect, are those who actually end up using their skills in a ‘real world fight’.

  • @mikaelshaman69
    @mikaelshaman69 2 года назад

    I appreciate your willingness to learn and understand with a natural and healthy skepticism. It is pretty important to notice that flashy ukeni in a demostration doesn't intent to show it as the way it will happend. It is just part ot the practice and specially on a demo. You were trying to do uchi kaiten sankyo without a successfull atemi to the face or ribcage, it won happen. In Aikido Atemi is vital for most techniques. Also, most Aikido Schools don't train Kihon wasa where uke will grab you strong and graunded. Power to you warrior!

  • @AlexanderGent
    @AlexanderGent 2 года назад +6

    Interesting take on Aikido. You should really explore the weapons side of things more though. I've made it work in sparring. Doors are open if you ever want to come to train?

  • @johncormier646
    @johncormier646 2 года назад

    The first minute of the video with the practice falling reminded me of my Judo lessons back in the sixties. I always felt like it kept me from major injuries while racing motocross from '77' till 2001.

  • @skycloudie7319
    @skycloudie7319 Год назад +3

    🚨Would be helpful if there were REAL traditional Aikido sensei. This is NOT Traditional Aikido. You can do your own version, no problem for me; but don't sell it as " traditional Aikido. All the problems coming from this martial art exist only because people haven't learn from trusted teachers. To give examples: 1)"... there's not supposed to be any attack...", Morihei Ueshiba, founder of Aikido, said that ' Aikido is 90% hits(like punches and kicks), and 10% Aikido Techniques'. 2) 'Stance low because it should resemble how you hold a sword' . Almost. The stance is HIGHER than that( about the same height as karate) because your arms should mimic the blade of the sword. 3 and last point( but the list could go on), Aikido is a martial art complementary of other martial arts. Like, you can't have a master degree if you don't finish high school first. It's important to understand that even Morihei Ueshiba didn't allow people to become students if didn't already know another martial art. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW= Aikido teaches a lot of useful stuff, but using it alone, without learning how to fight (Punches, kicks, grapple, etc.) ITS USELESS. Only helps you if Your opponent doesn't know how to fight and you have to be really good at it( if you have a black belt doesn't necessarily mean your good). Every one is free to do whatever you want, I just wanted to explain why Aikido "doesn't work". If you have other opinions or want to discuss, fell free to respond. Thank you for the patience.

  • @andresperedo1275
    @andresperedo1275 2 года назад +2

    So it maybe makes more sense to see sparring between aikido and kendo?

  • @moz5831
    @moz5831 2 года назад +11

    Interesting that you found Ikkyo (”First Principle” in English, essentially an elbow control from which you can throw, takedown, punch or escape) the most useful, because it’s not a huge flashy move or a complex wrist lock, but to me it’s the essence of the whole art. Tenkan btw, is basically same as pivoting in boxing. I really liked you trying aikido in a wrestling class, because that’s what aikidokas should do. Back in the day it was basically just catch wrestling with weapons, then it was turned into kinda meditative spiritual thing by the founder and today it’s pretty much just a load of shite.

    • @milty66
      @milty66 2 года назад

      You can just as easily turn it into waki-gatame

    • @moz5831
      @moz5831 2 года назад

      @@milty66 I think that’s called Rokkyo in aikido, yeah you can turn it into all kinds of stuff.

  • @PozitivMC
    @PozitivMC 2 года назад +1

    Hello, Sensei Seth!
    Here is my open letter for you.
    I've watched a lot of your videos and I really liked them. You are really a fan of martial arts and cause me deep respect both as a master and as a person trying to learn something new. I have only one question for you and one wish.
    Why didn't you ask this Aikido master, to whom you came for training, to demonstrate Aikido techniques on you so that you resisted at the same time? After all, later, when you tried to use the technique in sparring, your opponents did not succumb to you, but resisted. So you had to resist the master, and I assure you, he would not be able to do his technique on you, since Aikido does not work in real combat. Hundreds of videos have been shot about this on RUclips, where Aikido adherents lose sparring.
    It is not necessary to create the illusion that Aikido is something that you need to learn, already having basic knowledge of Кarate, Thai boxing or some other martial arts. Aikido is a business to pump money out of people. People who are afraid to go into real martial arts, go to aikido, where they see beautiful somersaults and soft falls. And they convince the students that they are learning a technique that can help in self-defense. But in reality, this is a deception of gullible people, and people need to know about it!
    The real martial art from which Aikido originated is Japanese ju-jutsu. Please do not confuse it with Brazilian ju-jutsu. Brazilian ju-jutsu only has a similar name, but it has nothing in common with Japanese ju-jutsu. Believe me, I've been doing Japanese ju-jutsu since I was 11 years old. I'm 35 now and still training.
    Please, read the story of how Morihei Ueshiba created Aikido. Before that, he learned ju-jutsu and became a master of this martial art.
    All these techniques, like creases on the joints, Morihei Ueshiba brought from ju-jutsu, but simplified much of that and made some kind of gymnastics out of ju-jutsu, which is now being given out for something outstanding that can help people in self-defence.
    So, in Japanese ju-jutsu everything is very tough and realistic. There are no such fabulous movements, thanks to which the enemy flies away somewhere by itself. The ju-jutsu techniques really work in self-defence and can allow you to defeat a stronger person. I have not yet studied your channel to the end, and perhaps you have already told your subscribers about this martial art, but if not, I sincerely advise you to try this Japanese martial art.
    Sincerely, Vitaly.

  • @niki3151
    @niki3151 Год назад +2

    If it was so useless I can't imagine riot and special forces would have to attend grueling course of akido

  • @jasonneil4121
    @jasonneil4121 2 года назад +1

    Aikido is the martial art to use when you don't want to hurt someone, like a security guard who wants to move someone out of an area without having to hit them, or if someone is trying to start the fight but you don't want to engage them so a simple wrist lock can be enough to say 'stop, its not worth it'. I don't think Aikido should be used on its own, I do think it should be paired with another style of fighting, something the Aikido can back up.

  • @tyuityui3549
    @tyuityui3549 2 года назад +3

    Doesn't aikido work? I believe it does

  • @neologian1783
    @neologian1783 2 года назад +1

    The principle problem with Aikido (well technically there are two) is that, as so many Aikidoka will tell you "It's not about fighting". Which means it involves training methods that eschew any real resistance or competition.....which means the average Aikidoka never experiences what it would be like to apply Aikido waza (techniques) in the face of a genuinely aggressive or resisting opponent. Instead, what they mistake for progress and martial efficacy is actually nothing more than "improved choreography" over time. The long term effects of this is that Aikido waza has become immune to the weeding out and evolutionary process that would otherwise have occurred across time. Contrast this with something like BJJ where in many schools students train in the presence of genuine resistance and opposition from almost day one. Aikido's second biggest issue are all the "fine" motor skill movements that are imbedded in the list of techniques....many of which go out the window in high stress situations. Fine motor skills are some of the first to go under genuine stress. It's virtually impossible to apply Nikkyo to someone who does not leave their hand and arm hanging out there like a fool (e.g. anyone who actually knows how to strike properly) and under a high stress situation.
    I love Aikido. But it's dance.

  • @jaymcbakerk
    @jaymcbakerk 2 года назад +3

    Aikido is legit. I was coming out of a McDonald’s and 3 guys attacked me with Samurai swords. I blocked the first guy from fully drawing his sword and then redirected it into his face. Then I grabbed the second guy by the loose sleeves on his robe and spun him into the third guy. Aikido is number 1 ☝🏼

  • @borgshadow13
    @borgshadow13 2 года назад

    nice part of your "learning from other martial arts" series, the context of stuff is oh so important. started with aikido and karate-sized hema, now training kickboxing and bjj ... and your experience mirrors a thing i heard over and over again from the people i trained with: subset of armed grappling, deliberate non-violence because the founder was a war vet, og aikidoka were already proficient in other arts and viewed it as more of an enhancer or "principles, not techniques" kinda deal, working things in sparring is important otherwise you get basically throwing partner dancing (which is also ok as long as this is communicated properly, we also have kata in the olympics after all). i do love that guard wristlock, will try that next rolling :D

  • @liamdurham7236
    @liamdurham7236 2 года назад +5

    As a wrestler, all of the moves you showed are effective in wrestling. I used them, regularly. Two on one left wrist, shoot without hands outside left leg. Just can't do it much in practice 'cause you'll rip your partners shoulder to shreds.
    Sadly this also means most wrestlers already know and defend against these moves, lols.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 года назад +2

      Exactly, Aikido techniques work!! What doesn't work a lot is the way they train. Their mentality is also not so good for combat sports but it sure could work for a street fight

  • @pegoossens
    @pegoossens Год назад

    having a history of 12 years of aikido. It takes a long time to master but if you do really understand what you are doing it can be really useful. I still remember one of the first workshops I ever attended with one of the top sensei. A guy who was even missing a leg due to diabetes. I attacked the guy and next thing I rembered I was face down on the floor not knowing how I got there. This level of mastery takes many decades of practice but it is truly great. How can you fight what you can't see or feel. A lot of the more elaborate motions in Aikido are more training tools than actual practical work. The big turns and throws teach you a lot about stance, position, timing and so much more. this is not stuff to apply in the street. But with the right teacher you quickly distinguish the lesson from the technique. for one thing Aikido is a masterclass. You learn to master joint locks like no other. In the end I became so adept but also so insensitive to others that I had a few bjj guys breaking their heads. They could throw any of their locks on me and i couldn't be budged. Then I showed them how to properly do it or even how to move te stress from the wrist right down to their spine. Always great fun.

  • @AndrewUKLondon
    @AndrewUKLondon Год назад

    Love your videos, they're fun.
    Depends why you're doing aikido. For most people, the ability to fall, to use aikido principles in conflict resolution, positional awareness... will help more people. Apart from fights not that many people get involved in self defense situations.
    There's another dimension to aikido that I didn't really appreciate until a few years in , and it led to me doing taiji chuan,which along with qigong is more likely to increase your longevity, amd help pretty much any form of movement, than fighting arts (with some rare exceptions). Comes down to what's important to you and what's going to provide the most benefits that matter to you