Healers Have to do TOO MUCH | Hardest Role in WoW?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- #shorts #dragonflight #worldofwarcraft World of Warcraft (WoW) The War Within and Dragonflight state of healing video. I talk about the difficulty of player a healer in WoW.
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Patch 10.0 World of Warcraft: Dragonflight expansion.
The weird thing about healing is that the better your party is the easier it becomes, healing a lower key with lesser skilled DPS and tanks can be harder than higher keys
So true lower keys just drain me but luckily as healer your out of that level pretty quick if your semi good
100% this, higher keys with good team hit the healing windows and rest is DPS time. Lower keys it's dang I gotta blow CDs ECT on every dang pull
This is very true. I healed last season and it was infinitely easier to heal 20+ keys than 5-15 keys, just because people generally actually try to avoid stuff in higher keys. Even overgeared if i for some reason did a 15 key its was horrible.
Agreed, my head was fried after healing a 4 and the follow up 6 with some guildies, wanted to go back on my DPS then got invited to a 13 and was so much easier. Spent most of the time DPSing lol.
100%! I think a lot of players get discouraged by this since it's a trial by fire in the beginning when your teammates haven't found their defensives and interrupt buttons.
Decided to take a break from maining my rsham this season as i already did all these dungeons at 20+ in previous seasons. Much more enjoyable on a DPS, and i definitely do all i can to help the healers during the rough parts of the dungeon.
Dps should almost always use CDs whenever they are ready, the amount of help it will do to the healer is crazy🙌
I on the other hand love it since i will Q up as a healer, and within 5 seconds, I'll get accepted to any mythic+
Tanks are faster queue
@@Ricozayyy nope healers are by far faster at getting into groups my bdk is now struggling to get invites to 12+ my priest is doing 17s and id rather tank any day of the week
Honestly healing is where I feel most comfortable. DPS is easier, sure, but I don't feel like I want breaks after healing keys. Certain affix weeks do make me feel differently about that though. Afflicted makes me miss explosive and I'm not exaggerating.
I think they should make more affixes that only target dps. Healers have enough to deal with that they shouldn't be expected to do as much or more mechanics as a dps. They also should not allow high level keys to start or continue without one party member in healer spec. I also wonder if they should increase the mana cost of healer dps spells so there more of a trade off for doing damage, as in you have to manage the resources more. In low keys this wouldn't hurt but at high keys you have to pay attention to keep enough juice to also heal. Just ideas because DF healing was so stressful I hated it, would rather go back to focusing on keeping the team alive and then they could make just the healing aspects more challenging.
I started a post in the forums on this and dps went up in flames
@@daketh4572 the same people complaining about their 1 hour dps queue times no doubt.
Coming from a 3,2k heal main (mw). Thats nonsense. Take a look at the affix responsibilities:
Incorporeal - everyone.
Afflicted - healer for the most part.
Entangling - everyone.
Volcanic - everyone.
Storming - everyone.
Bursting - everyone.
Sanguine - dps and tanks for the most part.
Spiteful - dps for the most part.
Bolster - dps and tanks for the most part.
Raging - everyone.
Hm, theres a single heal specific affix, 2 tank specific affixes and 3 melee specific ones. And youre asking for MORE dps affixes? Thats a little judgmental considering that unlike healing, dpsing is a fulltime job and every single wasted global is a dps loss. And thats the reason why you as a heal prioritize dealing with dungeon mechanics, like activating chains, firing ballistas or collecting orbs. Your role doesnt involve you as much and loosing a global or two doesnt hurt. Its not like youre doing 'more', you're just doing different stuff if the situation calls for it. Want a cookie for some spot heals, a 3 button dps rotation and pressing your action button or dispell every now and then? I dont have one sorry.
@@polkhigh_33 I disagree, I healed and dpsed high keys in DF, wasted a GCD on healer is way more dangerous than one a dps, it doesn’t sound you were challenged properly on heals. Keep in mind that healers have to handle dpsing, tracking where their teammates are, helping with CC, healer CDs to prevent wipes and watching health bars, it’s much harder to do mechanics while your multitasking and looking at HP bars than dps which only have to do their programmed rotation and get to focus on on the mechanics since they don’t have to care much what their teammates status is.
I remember doing high keys in legion during night hold and later into the expac. The guys I always ran with could tell from my callouts if I was stressed out. It would really bother me when I lost someone.
Playing an off-meta-DPS is even worse.
You dont even get to see the inside of a dungeon most of the day.
problem is "Healer can carry low keys", "Tank must carry high keys" healers are just a 4th dps in high keys
Not this season, you have heavy aoe encounters from both trash and bosses, unavoidable huge dmg incoming that needs a healer 100%, and the sweaty DPS DPS DPS healer is gone, It's such a dumb gift Shadowlands gave us
@@asasdsaasda there are healer fights ofc this is undeniable. but even in those fights there's a heavier emphasis on people using defensives rather than just healer's healing.
@@topleveldnd Obvious, that's my point, you need a healer this season compared with other seasons where you could potentially do a dungeon on high keys without a healer
@@asasdsaasda people are running the highest keys without a healer right now.
@@topleveldnd 'people'? 00000001% are not 'people', later on, you will probably see a group or so running full tanks
Using defensives because you know how rough it is as a healer is LITERALLY what ive learned being a healer in m+ for so long and now trying DPS as an off spec. Its crazy how little DPS use defensive abilities because they dont understand what its like to heal. Its literally "shit healer" if they die.
I appreciate this statement SO much
well said; playing healer really helps you sympathise because even though they are support, you learn to literally protect your team with everything
I'm a resto shaman and I pump heals. I'm either healing spirits or compensating for bursting affix and this priest asked me why I'm not doing dps on top of healing?!! He was pissed because I chose to heal him instead of stunning the phantom he ignored. DPS is lazy and expects healers to do everything.
I think one issue that plagues modern WoW now is that it's still labeled as "healer". Yes, in raid that's what your primarily aim at doing. But in mythic, our priorities aren't only healing and pushing HPS. It's contributing to damage, healing, and mechanics. We really should be relabeled as "support" or something like that because we do so much more than just one thing. I'm not saying what we do is bad or demeaning to be healers, but I feel like if all you do is heal, you're not taking advantage of what the role can do or perform.
I love the complexity of healing in retail
Healing has always been the hardest role since vanilla and the only changes i want to see are more boss fights where i heal an npc like they did in Dawn of the Infinites. if they made healer an easier role i would switch as i enjoy being able to have that skill expression whenever i switch to a different role the game feels too easy and i get bored. I understand i have a hot take on this issue but i would love more heal checks like in Halls with the frost boss or in ruby life pools trash with that inferno dot.
I do think it’s hard, but that’s the fun for me. DPS feels so BORING. I get way more satisfaction saving people from 1% hp rather than seeing big crit damage numbers. I suffer from ADD & keeping track of CDS, affixes, big damage moments and health bars helps me focus on the overall run rather than “I gotta do big damage”. I know thats just my personal experience but I don’t mind covering my groups mistakes cause it makes me feel like I’m doing a lot to help.
Mained healer since TBC, RDruid especially. I am planning for DPS for War within. I am just DONE with it at this point. Maybe a couple of seasons in, I might get back to healing.
I love dungeons.but i hate affixes. I wish i can do m+ only with harder but original mechanics.
Thought your logic was sound but the few times a dps player played healing and it went horrible they just said'' im not main healer'' and moved on...
It’s probably more so healer mains playing DPS. Lol
Healing AND tanking in retail is alot of work and require alot of Knowledge of the dungeons when your doing m+. Been playing Blood deathknight in Cata and Holy Paladin and both are pretty chill to play in Heroics dungeons, I wish we had pre-nerf heroics so I could compare them to +5 keys in retail, but even if yes knowledge of the fight is nice in Cata, playing each class is way easier.
I’ve only ever played a paladin healer class in end game content
Couldnt agree more
Welcome to Ion's world
The problem is that we made dps for healers mandatory and now have this never ending issue.
Whats the issue ? Youre not healing 24/7, unlike dps or tanks which have to deal damage all the time.
I don’t have any drive in S4 as a healer #burnout.
Hmmm what alts to play XD
I did start playing healer s4 resto shaman next to my VDH and ret pinkman
You should have looked at the tier list. Shaman is horrible this season
@@Kwispy don't care fuck the meta
@@Kwispyin what keys? The top 2 highest? They do plenty fine.
Main tank here and yes healing is 100% harder, damage to the group just comes out the ass sometimes and i wonder why the fuck some people main healers lol
I think it’s too late, the notion healers must contribute 10% dps and handle affixes while playing wack-a-mole is the norm. Super sweaty gameplay that can be rewarding for some but way too much for gen pop.
Yes!!!!!
and healing keys lower than 10 became more miserable, cause more less skilled players play in that range now
Exactly that's why we had they key system or so I thought. The lesser skilled player like myself was round the +8 +9 range as I mainly pvp but did enjoy the lower keys I did because less skill was needed. I just can't make any sense out of this
I never played anything else for 15 years but not in dragonflight, its shit
well said
In pug hardest yes
healing is not as hard as tanking in high keys. in weekly 10s and stuff lower than 15, tanks get carried by the team. going higher than 15 makes tanking harder than healing
I don't believe that's true this season. There are a ton of bosses this season with a lot of rot damage
@@johnlinks true, but those are a few exceptional fights where it's about the healer's healing instead of defensives
Tank and Healer specs (and potentially some DPS specs) should be transformed into SUPPORT specs. These specs would focus on tanking and utility roles such as mitigating damage, sustaining the group, buffing allies, debuffing enemies, and providing AOE heals. Their primary resource spending would revolve around these aspects.
Core Mechanics
1. Resource Management:
• Support specs would use their resources mainly for group-wide mitigation, healing, and utility.
• DPS specs would have self-sustaining and self-healing abilities, either with a resource cost or as cooldowns, but they would lose their group-wide effects.
2. Support Role Dynamics:
• Two properly played Supports could help sustain a 5 man group while keep themselves alive while tanking, utilizing group-wide effects at the cost of overall damage output.
• DPS taking avoidable damage would need to use cooldowns or self-healing abilities, reducing their overall damage if they spend resources on self-preservation.
3. Reward Mechanism:
• DPS spending time on self-healing should be rewarded with extra damage effects on their builder abilities, making it beneficial but not worth taking damage intentionally.
• Support healing or mitigation actions would reward the Support with extra damage on their builder abilities, making it advantageous to use their utility.
4. Resource and Effect Generation:
• All dispels, silences, and taunts should generate class resources or trigger effects chosen within the class tree.
What was blizzards thinking when they made 0 keys 10 and so on? Firstly they have killed off half the player base because not everyone enjoys higher keys. I pvp mostly but used to enjoy the odd +8 +9 keys because they were less stressful than 10+ to +30 where all the bangers are? I just can't make any sense out if this.
If M0 is to hard for people, they can do normal or hc then.
@@bipsi15
You are completely missing the point. My friend. The key system was working as intended. My question was why did they do what they did. Not everyone is a +30 banger. Have any more input rather than get good?
@@nojabhere prob did yeah. But my point wasnt " get gut or fck off " But they made myt alot harder, cuz people wasnt really doing m0's cuz it didnt give any good loot and wasnt hard at all. So they made everything harder and gave it more loot. Thats what i meant with, if M0 is too hard for some people, they can just do normal and hc, cuz that loot also got buffed up. And when u have farmed that, then u can go try M0 again 🤷
@@nojabherethey still have the old difficulties dude….they are just the other levels now. So if you want to do a +8 that’s a M0 now. They did it because after like the second week, 0-10 was dead content for the vast majority of players who ran keys (even casuals, yes). The entire goal of M+ is to increase the key level so having 10 levels of dead content because it’s way too easy isn’t good design.
The current system is much better. If you don’t want to push, you can do M0s and if you want to push, you don’t need to push through 10 levels of dead keys.
@nojabhere there is no point in doing over a 20+ as thats fhe highest lvl gear you would get.
Lets be honest here: most healers are just trash. Dpsing and dispelling/purging has always been in the Rotation, but classic andys and 50yo just refuse it
No it wasn't always the case because tanks actually took damage they could not heal up by themselves so unles the tank heavily overgeared content you had to heal him almost all the time, then drink to get mana etc.
@@MrSherhi Helpless tanks and heals playing whack a mole with their group frame, sounds fun indeed. Not. I think tanks being able to self-sustain to a certain degree and heals being held to press some dps buttons in between doesnt harm the role experience, but makes it more interesting and challenging. I remember those times when healers were healbotting the tank 24/7. And who was doing the healing? Yes, the players who just werent good enough to dps or tank. Truth hurts, yes. Btw: Not so long ago we had an m+ affixes which basically timewarped us back into that classic game. Grievous. And well, it sucked balls and is gone for good, dont you agree?
@@polkhigh_33 lmfao you are implying that dpsing takes skill xdddd ahahahah
@@gabber_ Like with any other role, playing it to a reasonable level is easy to medium depending a lot on the spec. Mastering however is a different story, melee or ranged plays a huge role and using your classes full kit matters a lot as well. And thats no different with tanking and healing honestly. Tank is by far the most braindead job once you know the routes and mechanics since you can take a silly amount of fail damage and still make it. Healing reduced to being a healbot is just as easy.
I main heals and when I play any other role I use every dmg reduction or healing help almost on CD.
I'll tell ya what's hard and even a tad scary,
I have played WoW and ran a Holy/Disc Priest since 2005, I had to stop WoW in 2014.... I'm back now, 2024, and I am so lost and overwhelmed, I suppose I have it on RUclips to watch and get a briefing, but some of what I did was all manual no add-ons, and yeah it was bad then, seeing what's now, lol might be a while before I run as a Healer or Tank....need to and I will, catch up.
when i came home and i do more than two m+ i'm done as healer. i play healer since classic and i can only this but wow some group you need invest everything you have.
Healing a + 20 to me with my friends is a lot easier then healing a + 10 with randoms.
Unlesss you are in the .1 % you arent healing a 20
mained heal since WOTLK now stopped, because ppl are ungrateful, have no idea and idk why but stopped mitigating damage. I'm more a casual right now and dont have time for that sh*t so I go DPS and relax my brain
Im a healer since 2007 and no I dont like this sweaty gameplay. You kinda get very short qeue time and can get into m+ groups easier but in past few months, EU prime time after 20:00, filter groups having a tank already and the choice is very limited anyway and you cant influence the outcome that much with most healer specs when you pug keys.
No he is right in a way. Thats what people scares off from healing because in modern wow the Healer Spec dosent fit this name anymore. The biggest problem you scare of new players. If nothing change wow runs in a big healer problem outside of raids because people say well then fuck m+ i only raid.
Grip #1-Give healers a workable toolkit, that some healers go unplayable for 3/4’s of an xpac is unconscionable Grip #2- I absolutely do not want to dps, it’s one thing dps is a part of the kit like disc priest and fist weaving, but I’m over having to dps an do dps mechanics on top of my own role, it absolutely why I don’t play other mmos because I don’t like their iterations of healers being part time dps. Especially when people can die in a global cooldown.
you dont have to do dps mechanics xDD you just need to cast wrath/lightning bolt or whatever instead of doing nothing
So during times of no healing required what is it exactly you'd like to be doing then?
@@minimcune pressing 1 button. Dps mechanics are having a whole rotation.
@@minimcune I would like to be drinking so I can get more mana so I can heal, dispel, remove mobs buffs, handle affixes etc, like WTF do you people think we do?!? Where is all of this magical downtime time where ya'll not taking dmg???
@@radenkovic2856 interrupts, stuns, and dps cooldown managment are traditionally mechanics that fall under the pervue of dps. As healers are expected to do more dmg, and blizzard shifts our toolkit to being more dps oriented maximizing your dps is no longer limited to just 1 button. Moreover, what's more aggravating is feeling pressured to burn CDs to maximize dps output while not having them available for healing emergency doesn't feel good as a healer. Honestly I'd much rather have dps players be able to do more dmg, rather than blurring the lines. In the same way, It would great for tanks to be somewhat less self sustaining in order to reestablish the synergy that tanks and healer used to have.
Imagine us average healers healing randos in lower keys haha its 10x worse
As a resto druid in DF i can say it feels a lot more demanding than previous exp
Ture , i Hope in tww i comes affix only dd can Handel it
Healing is hardest role in all content and yes they need to fix it.
lol u couldnt pay me heal way to hard
I'm a healer main atm and I couldnt disagree more with that take. In a group of similarly skilled people, healing is by far the least challenging dungeon role and leaves a ton of downtime to fill with dps and deal with mechanics or affixes. Which is not that hard since the really challenging healer affixes have been either removed (grievous and explosive) or nerfed to oblivion (bursting+bolstering). Honestly thats why I prefer mythic+ over raids. Every player is encouraged to use his class to its full capabilities. And doing so really sets you apart from the average turret/sandbag/healbot which feels rewarding, especially when playing a healer. There are sooo many oppurtunities to interact and overperform😍
It feels like a vacation because you will be doing nothing in the queue for hours.
I think it's the hardest role if you pug high keys. Dps take so much avoidable damage, refuse to help with affixes, they don't swap targets on bolstering week, it's a miracle if they use their kick more than 10 times per key, along with so many other things. Every time I swap to dps I feel so much more relaxed because there is way less to do.
I tell my group ahead of time, use defensives! I’m not doing pug keys where dps can’t simply press a defensive cd. Have left plenty keys
Im healer, if DPSs have personals and dont use it I dont heal nothing