*not actually sponsored by Stan Berkowitz* P.S. Yes, Pat is her stepdad, not her uncle. Somehow, despite all of us here knowing that, I wrote “uncle” and it made it through several rounds of edits. Oops.
Crimson Avenger is probably depicted as being the oldest DCAU hero due to the fact that in comics he predates Batman, coming along a mere five months after Superman. He’s not DC's actual oldest hero, though. That honor would go to Doctor Occult, who debuted three years before the Man of Steel.
I wish they had more episodes with Stargirl I would have loved to see her dynamic with supergirl expanded on. When I was younger she was my third favorite character alongside John Stewart and black canary
Courtney started out wearing Sylvester Pemberton's cosmic converter belt, which he got from Ted Knight. She was using that a good two years or so before she got the cosmic staff from Jack Knight.
Gonna need a whole Seven Soldiers of Victory video to explain the mess that is the DCAU's Vigilante and Shining Knight (and Winged Victory who is definitely a full member of the league)
I still can't believe those two very random superheroes from an episode of jlu got their own live action shows. Its easy to forget the history of these characters.
Stargirl is pretty important in the comics, she's basically the face of the Justice Society and one of the main characters when Earth 2 is mentioned in comics
4:20 Not necessarily, since Ted Knight was mentioned in the second episode as the creator of the Cosmic Staff and it was mentioned in the first episode that Sylvester Pemberton was still the Star-Spangled Kid before Starman. They just can't reference Jack Knight because that character's rights is tied specifically to the creator.
@@MiguelGonzalez-du8de yeah. since jack knight, the starman before courtney, can’t be mentioned in most media due to creator rights, and the starman legacy being crazy, stargirl and smallville both condensed it into erasing star spangled kid and making sylvester and courtney both only starman.
I don't want to "Um, Actually", so I'll "Fun Fact!" An Acronym that is later back-filled to justify it's existence is often referred to as a "Back-ronym"
"Until the JL reunion movie renders all of these characters cousins from the dimension Zebylu or something." I don't wanna ponder that for too long. That could complicate things...
So canonically she had the cosmic converter belt first as it was part of Star Spangle Kids costume, its how he flew and had his endurance and stamina enhanced also made by Ted Knight. That was her primary power source in the Stars and Stripes comic. She then gained the cosmic staff after She became Star Woman in the Sins of the Youth cross over even that spun out of Young Justice. Jack gave her the staff after seeing her actions as an adult during that event. Also, Ted's Death wasn't Mysterious, it happened in front of Jack after Ted got to hold his grandson for the first and final time and then was killed along with the mist in low orbit by a bomb. Will Payton is also affiliated to the Knight's via marriage as his sister is Jack Knight's wife, Sadie.
Yeah, the converter belt was something I missed until after I was done editing. That’s what I get for trying to summarize decades of comics into a few minutes! Haha
I just found out something crazy the character of Stargirl is based on Geoff Johns 18 year old sister Courtney, who passed away in TWA Flight 800 in 1996. The character of Stargirl first appeared in July 1999 Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E
The Original Starman (Red Night) has been totally forgotten, He is my favorite JSA member., Red Costume and green cape with a fin on his head.He began in 1941 and was a member of JSA He took part in some team ups JSA/JLA. He was the father of the starman with no costume, In 1966 he did two issue team up wit Black Canary still on Earth 2.
I just got a shipment of Legion of Superheroes figures that included Starboy in his original costume 45 minutes before watching this video. Also got a Mon-El and watched a video about a cop getting hit with a Monell law suit. So weird to hear it out loud while looking at the figure even out of context.
My head canon is that the original Starman (Ted Knight) along with his sons David and Jack, are part of Earth 2 and that explains why they have ties with Stargirl, who's a legacy hero of the Star-Spangled Kid (a totally unrelated hero from Starman). While on Earth 1, Mikaal Tomas was the first Starman before retiring and giving the mantle to Prince Gavyn, who later after gave his powers to Will Payton, and at the end in the future, Starboy asumes the role of Starman despite not having co-relation with the previous Earth 1 ones
Thank You for the video now i stop asking for it and members we see in the dcau(Canon) Wildcat Starman(Prince Gavin/Ted Knight)-if Stargirl have the same origin as her comic version Crimson Avenger-he wasn't a member of the jsa in mainstream comics but sometimes the dcau could be different from the comics like other members of the jsa in the dcau Stargirl Soulpower Sparky Vigilante-If The Seven Solders Of Victory exist and that they were time displaced Star Spangled Kid(Sylvester Pemberton) S.T.R.I.P.E/Stripesy Hourman(Rick Tyler/Rex Tyler) Atom Smasher(Albert Rothstein/Al Prett) Johnny Thunder & Thunderbolt Dr.Fate(Kent Nelson) Hawkman Hawkgirl Black Canary(Dinah Lance & Dinah Drake) Wonder Woman(Diana Prince & Hippolyta) Power Girl-we see a cameo in batman & Harley quinn Obsidian-if he the son of GL(Alan Scott)then maybe Green Lantern(Alan Scott) The Spectre(Jim Corrigan) Mr.Terrific(Michael Holt) Dr Midnight(Pieter Cross & Charles McNider) Captain Marvel/Shazam! Commader Steel/Citzen Steel Red Tornado(John Smith/Ulthoon) The Shining Knight Vixen Non-Canon Flash(Jay Garrick) Johnny Quick Liberty Belle Firebrand Green Arrow Amazing Man Robotman Jessie Quick
@@lavalamp2344 Robin mature over time probably and there are a lot Batman reference in Teen Titans in the tie in comics Batman looks similar to The Batman design
Hey, that's right. Ditko's 1980 Starman did have a lot of shepherd-like staffs of power popping up in them (though I don't recall if Starman himself had one at any point in it, in the Superman/DC Presents team up or in his (shamefully only one panel) final appearance in Crisis. Wonder if a coincidence or if it inspired post-Crisis writers/artists who 1st gave Starman his own scepter-staff?
the thom kallor in the tie-in comic is actually based on an alternate timeline thom. it’s reboot thom kallor who was originally supposed to be danny blaine and the starman who traveled back to present day, but it ended up being retconned into retroboot thom kallor who after getting mixed up and landing in kingdom come used the alias danny blaine. he also used that alias while in the jsa and living at the sunshine sanatorium. the five other canon thom kallors have only ever star boy
Courtney did not have a Cosmic Converter Belt only in JLU. That’s what she initially used in the STARS & S.T.R.I.P.E. series until Jack gave her his staff. The belt belonged to original Star-Spangled Kid Sylvester Pemberton. Originally, Sylvester had no super-powers. Nor did Stripsey. They just tooled around in the Star Rocket Racer, which was their flying car. Not long after the Seven Soldiers were rescued from the times they’d been lost in (in JLA #100-102), DC revived ALL-STAR COMICS starring the JSA, with Sylvester, Power Girl, and an adult Robin joining the older heroes. In the first issue if that new launch (#58) Sylvester shows up wearing the Cosmic Converter Belt, which he describes as being “based on Star Man's Cosmic Rod technology,” thus giving him super powers for the first time.
Minor correction: Courtney 1st appeared in 1999, WELL after the Crisis, which was in 1985. So, by that time, there was no Earth-2, with Stargirl and S.T.R.I.P.E. having always loved on the single Earth universe that resulted from Crisis.
Right, I worded that sentence a little strangely. “This was all before Crisis” etc. was supposed to just refer to the Seven Soldiers time travel stuff, but the Courtney sentence got stuck in there, too. All the stuff you’re commenting boils down to: this is what I get for trying to simplify decades of comic books into a couple paragraphs, haha.
In my headcanon Ted Knight, David Knight and Jack Knight were the Starmen of Earth 2, with the Star-Spangled Kid being a related hero and then Stargirl ending the legacy by inheriting both the SSK and Starman's powers. Ferris Knight is just an evil, future descendant of Ted Knight. Meanwhile on Earth 1, Mikaal Thomas used to be Starman before retiring, then Price Gavyn took the name even though he's not related to humans at all, and later passed his powers to William Payton, the main Starman from this earth. In the future, Starboy is an unrelated hero and member of the Legion of Superheroes.
That was “Hard as Nails,” but yes, although we never saw them, they’re out there somewhere. Search for our “DCAU Titans” video where we speculate who could be on that team!
Nah, neither of them actually match anyone else! I think whoever colored those shots probably thought the one was Colossal Boy, and the other Ultra Boy. But who knows!
Zeta Project video? What about Ivy? Also, great job on this Star Girl video! I was always curious who this star clad beauty was with the 'Big Guy' ironed man Stripe!
Because of JLA I found and read the Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. comic, JSA and All Star Squadron comics. Stargirl in the comics and the JLA is an excellent character and quickly became a favourite of mine. She got the Cosmic Converter Belt before she became Stargirl, it was the original Star Spangled Kid's gear and Courtney used it as the next Star Spangled Kid before getting the staff and becoming Stargirl. Check out the Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. comic.
From now on, whenever somebody asks me a DCAU question about Starman and Stargirl that I don't know the answer to, I'll just point to this video and go, "Well, if Stan Berkowitz can't figure it out...!"
Hmm... I’m a little skeptical of that Stan Berkowitz cameo... I understand not being able to stick to a programming schedule. I’m six episodes into my show; the second episode was STATED it was going to be about Star Trek Picard-and five episodes later, I’m yet to drop it because the 2020 “apocalypse” kind of brought up some more pressing issues to talk about. And then “Lower Decks” dropped-so THAT became the topic. Still haven’t gotten to Picard. So, I feel you. Regarding Stargirl... I am very pleasantly surprised how much I am enjoying the live-action Stargirl series. It’s actually refreshing that it’s a family friendly show about a teenaged superhero-where she is actually being a superhero instead preaching to me. It’s a very enjoyable show. I was not too familiar with this character when DC Universe announced it. But around that same time I was watching my JLU DVD box set and she makes a couple appearances along with Starman and STRIPE-and that tiny bit of information from JLU made the live-action show make more sense to me as I was going in. Great series!
6:01 *I like how a lot of the DCAU comics are "questionably canon" they r probably set on an alternate Earth where the only DCAU shows was BTAS, TNBA and the first season of STAS* but this probably has a grain of truth?
As much as I loved Justice League Unlimited, they definitely could have done Star Girl more justice. Having her be a background character used just to fill out large battle scenes or make the Watchtower feel more lively, and then putting in the spotlight only to make her look like the less popular, less powerful, less charismatic bitter and jealous counterpart to Supergirl felt gross and annoying. Other JLU members who only ever appeared in the background like Crimson Fox, Gypsy, Vibe, Obsidian, or Dr. Light were already underused, but they picked Star Girl out just to highlight her as "bargain bin Supergirl who nobody likes" and unlike the ending to Patriot Act, were Vigilante, Shining Knight, Crimson Avenger, and Speedy start out as "off brand heroes who nobody cares about" but then become popular and well liked at the end, Star Girl's ending in Chaos at the Earth's Core is basically just learning to accept that she's mid compared to Kara, or something like that.
Ted Knight didn't die "mysteriously." He sacrificed himself to fly a nuclear bomb into space, saving the city. There was a big farewell scene and a public memorial. No mystery.
Why Green Arrow and Speedy are “just there” in the DCAU is because, well . . . . it’s complicated. See, in addition to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman, GA and Speedy were the only super-heroes (at DC or anywhere) to remain in publication continuously from the Golden Age of the 1940s through to the Silver Age of the 1960s. Thus, when the multiverse concept was introduced to differentiate the Golden and Silver Age versions of various characters, GA & Speedy had exact duplicates on both Earths, just separated by time era. Then, when DC made the ultimately boneheaded move to merge all worlds and timelines into a single continuity as a result of CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, the Earth-2 versions of the Big 5 (er, 7, counting Speedy and Robin) was simply ignored, with those characters established in the modern age with no prior version of legacy. Thus, the JSA became the predecessors of the JLA, instead of multiversesal doppelgängers. Of course, that kind of negated the whole Seven Soldiers-shunted-into-the-future story, as least as it involved GA & Speedy. IIRC, GA was replaced in official DC continuity, and in the Seven Soldiers, by a different Golden Age bowman, The Spider, while Crimson Avenger's previously-ignored sidekick Wing took Speedy's place as the titular seventh soldier. See, very simply, really. 🤨
First off I want to say that I love the watchtower database and it's not in my nature to usually critique good fans passionate fans of the dcau but I'm afraid I will have to point out one small tiny error Mr James LOL that you had made LOL According to stargirl in Justice League unlimited chaos at the Earth's core she actually refers to Pat Dugan AKA stripe as her father. But then we learn that if you watch behind the characters or whatever that's called I can't remember at the moment we find out that Pat Dugan is actually Star girls stepfather. Ironically she supposedly got her powers from a character name star man but it's not this guy or the Starboy we saw from the future in Justice League versus the fatal five. Apparently there's a lot of star characters including an evil star ironically I have his action figure in the supposed legion of Doom or whatever God was calling them the secret society or whatever. Like I said I'm not a critiquer I love the DCA you I love you guys y'all look great I love the artwork I love Bruce Tim style I just love the DCA you so much I really hope we don't get a live action dcau because Lord knows we do not need it!! Let's keep the dcau animated please that's why we call it the DC animated universe we do not need it to be live action under any circumstances. Actually come to think of it I would love to see more dcau property maybe we can get a zeta continuation or possibly a Batman beyond continuation after the events of epilogue I would love to see what Terry's life is like now that he's chosen to stay with Dana chosen to keep everyone in his family that he loves and possibly might even have a kid with Dana who knows.
7:11 Neither Superman nor Hawkgirl were in JL episode, "Maid of Honor", so maybe they fought that villain during the time when the rest of the League were fighting Vandal Savage
At least Stargirl's Justice League Action iteration fills up the gaps of her DCAU iteration not getting a spotlight story. Still nada on Starman though.
I have but like when it comes to ted knight and such, which would be considered the true original since there is this weird convulted plot of gavyn dying and his “essence” goes to some man who was hiking like ??? dc has a rep to make things not make sense 🤣🤣
In a way it gives the TV show more room to make Stargirl great. I always nit pick over Batman (anything), Stargirl can create her own fans who in the future can insult future shows/ comics/ movies. I hope they make the most of that (relative) freedom. New shows like this should come to UK faster, still not able to watch all Batwoman! 1/2 through & I have to worry about a new Batwoman? Can you talk about Wildcat & the female version in Stargirl, so want a Wildcat series Ted isn't used enough.
Actually to be truthfully honest I'm kind of annoyed that when the Justice League unlimited action figures came out in the 2000s the star girl figure was not only long legged LOL but also a little too small. She should have been the height of Supergirl and yeah... I really don't know why we didn't get a decent stargo figure in the Justice League unlimited collection and for that matter I don't know why we didn't get a decent Batgirl figure and the new Batman animated series collection new Batman adventures sorry but still for what we got they were great I know this isn't an action figure channel but I figured I'd bring that up anyway because I just really wanted to also I saw a zeta figure Big Sur prise surprise not really quote? Also I would like to see a Royal flush gang collection of action figures but someone made custom figures and they're actually not able to be bought which is unfortunate. Still sorry no this isn't a toy channel but wanted to say it anyway. Again love the dcau love your work you guys are amazing please keep it up. As Captain planet would probably say the dcau power is yours. Sorry.. really didn't mean to reference Captain planet. What was I thinking?? :-)
The raan war just doesn’t fit into the dcau. It bothers me a lot. They are all but gone because of the episode with vigilante, hawkgirl, and vixen where they encountered the last of the thanagarians. Yes they could’ve regrouped but it doesn’t make sense. Also why would hawkgirl be fighting for them against the green lanterns and John Stewart. She’s banished from the tribe and doesn’t want to be associated with them anymore. The timeline is pretty tight but that’s just like cmon man
Yes, regardless of the time travel with the Seven Soldiers or not, Shining Knight was on King Arthur’s court until Morgaine le Faye froze him, allowing him to get to present day a la Captain America.
Star-Spangled Kid, Sylvester Pemberton, was a patriotic WW2 hero, like Captain America and the Shield, meant to be a symbol against the Nazis. Courtney Whitmore, took his costume decades later, spruced it up, and became the new Star-Spangled Kid before she was given the Cosmic Rod by Jack Knight to become Stargirl(she kept the same costume). Speaking of Jack Knight; him, his older brother, and father held the identity of Starman separately. They used Cosmic Rods to give them the ability of flight and fire energy blasts. Prince Gavyn and Thom Kallor, the former an alien prince and the latter a 30th century superhero, are the ones considered to be the cosmic space Starmen. Star-Spangled Kid, and by extension Stargirl, were patriotic heroes while the Knights were only because the original(Ted Knight) was an Astronomer.
Do more on starman and 2nd tier jlu heroes and I'll "patreon" you. You have my word. To give credence to my word I love super powers and everything Carlos Barberi is in canon to me. PS Sorry for upsetting u concerning #keepepilogueasecret
I don’t even recall the instance, so no harm done. 😉 We’ll definitely be trying to do more videos on “lesser” characters between our big “Batman: the Adventures Continue” videos.
*not actually sponsored by Stan Berkowitz*
P.S. Yes, Pat is her stepdad, not her uncle. Somehow, despite all of us here knowing that, I wrote “uncle” and it made it through several rounds of edits. Oops.
Feed the algorithm.
All hail the datababe. Rough week, and hearing your syrupy voice wash over me is a balm to my soul. Speak more, gentle Aesir.
and did you notice in the last episode of Justice league unlimited she did not have her correct staff when she runs down the stairs
o and anybody peep S.T.R.I.P.E suit changed in between seasons
Eric Gilchrist Holy crap! I never noticed the staff thing. She’s totally holding a parademon scythe thing there at the end. So weird!
3:08 did you say Terry McGinnis????
Crimson Avenger is probably depicted as being the oldest DCAU hero due to the fact that in comics he predates Batman, coming along a mere five months after Superman. He’s not DC's actual oldest hero, though. That honor would go to Doctor Occult, who debuted three years before the Man of Steel.
Physically oldest, is my presumption.
Loving the Stargirl series rn, so seeing this was very nice!
Frs :)
I actually just finished watching the Stargirl series and was kinda looking for some Stargirl video clips and found this
I wish they had more episodes with Stargirl I would have loved to see her dynamic with supergirl expanded on. When I was younger she was my third favorite character alongside John Stewart and black canary
Facts watching the series I'm not surprised dc gunked up but then that's why we have the series and a season two successfully
Me too she was so sweet and sisterly towards Supergirl
Courtney started out wearing Sylvester Pemberton's cosmic converter belt, which he got from Ted Knight. She was using that a good two years or so before she got the cosmic staff from Jack Knight.
" 'Terry Mcginnis'ed it. "
10 / 10
Gonna need a whole Seven Soldiers of Victory video to explain the mess that is the DCAU's Vigilante and Shining Knight (and Winged Victory who is definitely a full member of the league)
Now that's an inevitable gem.
I still can't believe those two very random superheroes from an episode of jlu got their own live action shows. Its easy to forget the history of these characters.
Stargirl is pretty important in the comics, she's basically the face of the Justice Society and one of the main characters when Earth 2 is mentioned in comics
@@MiguelGonzalez-du8de pretty much, she a jsa member at heart
All they do is mock me
When are we getting a Zeta Video?
Ted Knight also invented Star Spangled Kid's cosmic belt that was his original source of super powers.
4:20 Not necessarily, since Ted Knight was mentioned in the second episode as the creator of the Cosmic Staff and it was mentioned in the first episode that Sylvester Pemberton was still the Star-Spangled Kid before Starman. They just can't reference Jack Knight because that character's rights is tied specifically to the creator.
So Sylvester basically took the role of Jack Knight in the TV show?
@@MiguelGonzalez-du8de yeah. since jack knight, the starman before courtney, can’t be mentioned in most media due to creator rights, and the starman legacy being crazy, stargirl and smallville both condensed it into erasing star spangled kid and making sylvester and courtney both only starman.
I don't want to "Um, Actually", so I'll "Fun Fact!"
An Acronym that is later back-filled to justify it's existence is often referred to as a "Back-ronym"
"Until the JL reunion movie renders all of these characters cousins from the dimension Zebylu or something."
I don't wanna ponder that for too long. That could complicate things...
So canonically she had the cosmic converter belt first as it was part of Star Spangle Kids costume, its how he flew and had his endurance and stamina enhanced also made by Ted Knight. That was her primary power source in the Stars and Stripes comic. She then gained the cosmic staff after She became Star Woman in the Sins of the Youth cross over even that spun out of Young Justice. Jack gave her the staff after seeing her actions as an adult during that event. Also, Ted's Death wasn't Mysterious, it happened in front of Jack after Ted got to hold his grandson for the first and final time and then was killed along with the mist in low orbit by a bomb. Will Payton is also affiliated to the Knight's via marriage as his sister is Jack Knight's wife, Sadie.
Yeah, the converter belt was something I missed until after I was done editing. That’s what I get for trying to summarize decades of comics into a few minutes! Haha
@@dcauwatchtower No biggie, really dug the video. I'm a huge Starman fan, mostly Jack Knight, but I love them all.
I just found out something crazy
the character of Stargirl is based on Geoff Johns 18 year old sister Courtney, who passed away in TWA Flight 800 in 1996.
The character of Stargirl first appeared in July 1999 Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E
New video from Watchtower Database? That does a smile on my face.
There is no such thing as “too Batman heavy”
*Bat-embargo waltzes in*
Ever read Dark Nights Metal?
Hopebringer it would’ve been better if it had about 50% more Batman ;)
Yes there is, its exactly the reason I stopped buying the animated films I was tired of Batman films.
Total Justice Gaming if you’re tired of Batman films then you’re tired of life, my friend ;)
The Original Starman (Red Night) has been totally forgotten, He is my favorite JSA member., Red Costume and green cape with a fin on his head.He began in 1941 and was a member of JSA He took part in some team ups JSA/JLA. He was the father of the starman with no costume, In 1966 he did two issue team up wit Black Canary still on Earth 2.
I just got a shipment of Legion of Superheroes figures that included Starboy in his original costume 45 minutes before watching this video. Also got a Mon-El and watched a video about a cop getting hit with a Monell law suit. So weird to hear it out loud while looking at the figure even out of context.
My head canon is that the original Starman (Ted Knight) along with his sons David and Jack, are part of Earth 2 and that explains why they have ties with Stargirl, who's a legacy hero of the Star-Spangled Kid (a totally unrelated hero from Starman). While on Earth 1, Mikaal Tomas was the first Starman before retiring and giving the mantle to Prince Gavyn, who later after gave his powers to Will Payton, and at the end in the future, Starboy asumes the role of Starman despite not having co-relation with the previous Earth 1 ones
Thank You for the video now i stop asking for it and members we see in the dcau(Canon)
Wildcat
Starman(Prince Gavin/Ted Knight)-if Stargirl have the same origin as her comic version
Crimson Avenger-he wasn't a member of the jsa in mainstream comics but sometimes the dcau could be different from the comics like other members of the jsa in the dcau
Stargirl
Soulpower
Sparky
Vigilante-If The Seven Solders Of Victory exist and that they were time displaced
Star Spangled Kid(Sylvester Pemberton)
S.T.R.I.P.E/Stripesy
Hourman(Rick Tyler/Rex Tyler)
Atom Smasher(Albert Rothstein/Al Prett)
Johnny Thunder & Thunderbolt
Dr.Fate(Kent Nelson)
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Black Canary(Dinah Lance & Dinah Drake)
Wonder Woman(Diana Prince & Hippolyta)
Power Girl-we see a cameo in batman & Harley quinn
Obsidian-if he the son of GL(Alan Scott)then maybe
Green Lantern(Alan Scott)
The Spectre(Jim Corrigan)
Mr.Terrific(Michael Holt)
Dr Midnight(Pieter Cross & Charles McNider)
Captain Marvel/Shazam!
Commader Steel/Citzen Steel
Red Tornado(John Smith/Ulthoon)
The Shining Knight
Vixen
Non-Canon
Flash(Jay Garrick)
Johnny Quick
Liberty Belle
Firebrand
Green Arrow
Amazing Man
Robotman
Jessie Quick
Are you not going to ever do a video on the bat-embargo
Not with that attitude
Who thinks this a good idea is The Batman 2004 connect to Teen Titan
You and many others.
Robins personality is different between the shows
@@lavalamp2344 Robin mature over time probably and there are a lot Batman reference in Teen Titans in the tie in comics Batman looks similar to The Batman design
no bad idea really bad idea
and since the Justice League exist in both shows it could work
The way you cut yourself off before you're done saying certain things is hysterical. Great editing
Hey, that's right. Ditko's 1980 Starman did have a lot of shepherd-like staffs of power popping up in them (though I don't recall if Starman himself had one at any point in it, in the Superman/DC Presents team up or in his (shamefully only one panel) final appearance in Crisis. Wonder if a coincidence or if it inspired post-Crisis writers/artists who 1st gave Starman his own scepter-staff?
the thom kallor in the tie-in comic is actually based on an alternate timeline thom. it’s reboot thom kallor who was originally supposed to be danny blaine and the starman who traveled back to present day, but it ended up being retconned into retroboot thom kallor who after getting mixed up and landing in kingdom come used the alias danny blaine. he also used that alias while in the jsa and living at the sunshine sanatorium. the five other canon thom kallors have only ever star boy
Courtney did not have a Cosmic Converter Belt only in JLU. That’s what she initially used in the STARS & S.T.R.I.P.E. series until Jack gave her his staff. The belt belonged to original Star-Spangled Kid Sylvester Pemberton. Originally, Sylvester had no super-powers. Nor did Stripsey. They just tooled around in the Star Rocket Racer, which was their flying car. Not long after the Seven Soldiers were rescued from the times they’d been lost in (in JLA #100-102), DC revived ALL-STAR COMICS starring the JSA, with Sylvester, Power Girl, and an adult Robin joining the older heroes. In the first issue if that new launch (#58) Sylvester shows up wearing the Cosmic Converter Belt, which he describes as being “based on Star Man's Cosmic Rod technology,” thus giving him super powers for the first time.
Yep, something I actually discovered while editing the video and then decided “Well...it’s not worth re-recording for.” 😜
I’m glad to hear more Legacy comics are coming, when I found the link I bing read all of them, and I really want to see what happens next
Oh my God!!!! I can't believe you got Stan Berkowitz who was DEFINITELY Stan Berkowitz to say my name as a Patreon!! Best money I've ever spent!!!!!!
Minor correction: Courtney 1st appeared in 1999, WELL after the Crisis, which was in 1985. So, by that time, there was no Earth-2, with Stargirl and S.T.R.I.P.E. having always loved on the single Earth universe that resulted from Crisis.
Right, I worded that sentence a little strangely. “This was all before Crisis” etc. was supposed to just refer to the Seven Soldiers time travel stuff, but the Courtney sentence got stuck in there, too. All the stuff you’re commenting boils down to: this is what I get for trying to simplify decades of comic books into a couple paragraphs, haha.
Glad we got a video on her, always thought she needed more air time on the show
Man, the Star family is friggin weird
In my headcanon Ted Knight, David Knight and Jack Knight were the Starmen of Earth 2, with the Star-Spangled Kid being a related hero and then Stargirl ending the legacy by inheriting both the SSK and Starman's powers. Ferris Knight is just an evil, future descendant of Ted Knight.
Meanwhile on Earth 1, Mikaal Thomas used to be Starman before retiring, then Price Gavyn took the name even though he's not related to humans at all, and later passed his powers to William Payton, the main Starman from this earth. In the future, Starboy is an unrelated hero and member of the Legion of Superheroes.
Fantastic video like always keep up the great work can't wait for more videos!
hey man Future Shock told us Static would meet the Titans at some point, but that never happens!
That was “Hard as Nails,” but yes, although we never saw them, they’re out there somewhere. Search for our “DCAU Titans” video where we speculate who could be on that team!
This video pertains to my interests
That random legion member who kinda looks like Starboy but in a different costume is designed to look like Ultra Boy and the other one is Colossal Kid
Nah, neither of them actually match anyone else! I think whoever colored those shots probably thought the one was Colossal Boy, and the other Ultra Boy. But who knows!
Zeta Project video? What about Ivy? Also, great job on this Star Girl video! I was always curious who this star clad beauty was with the 'Big Guy' ironed man Stripe!
Because of JLA I found and read the Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. comic, JSA and All Star Squadron comics. Stargirl in the comics and the JLA is an excellent character and quickly became a favourite of mine. She got the Cosmic Converter Belt before she became Stargirl, it was the original Star Spangled Kid's gear and Courtney used it as the next Star Spangled Kid before getting the staff and becoming Stargirl. Check out the Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. comic.
Yeah, found out the belt was a thing pre-JLU while editing the video. Pretty cool!
@@dcauwatchtower The comics she debuted in, and the JSA comics are worth the read too
Ted got me a JSA omnibus a few years back. Had a TON of fun with that one.
@@dcauwatchtower You get to read the Kingdom Come Superman story arc?
From now on, whenever somebody asks me a DCAU question about Starman and Stargirl that I don't know the answer to, I'll just point to this video and go, "Well, if Stan Berkowitz can't figure it out...!"
The "whenever now is" meme will never die!
Very weird OT question...I noticed Supes in the video in a spacesuit. Was there ever a figure made of that look?
Yeah when *are* you gonna make a Zeta Project video guys?
Wonder they'll actually add Superboy someday.
I honestly would like to know more of the Prince and his abilities...
Hmm... I’m a little skeptical of that Stan Berkowitz cameo...
I understand not being able to stick to a programming schedule. I’m six episodes into my show; the second episode was STATED it was going to be about Star Trek Picard-and five episodes later, I’m yet to drop it because the 2020 “apocalypse” kind of brought up some more pressing issues to talk about. And then “Lower Decks” dropped-so THAT became the topic. Still haven’t gotten to Picard. So, I feel you. Regarding Stargirl...
I am very pleasantly surprised how much I am enjoying the live-action Stargirl series. It’s actually refreshing that it’s a family friendly show about a teenaged superhero-where she is actually being a superhero instead preaching to me. It’s a very enjoyable show. I was not too familiar with this character when DC Universe announced it. But around that same time I was watching my JLU DVD box set and she makes a couple appearances along with Starman and STRIPE-and that tiny bit of information from JLU made the live-action show make more sense to me as I was going in. Great series!
This video got me *seeing stars.* ⭐⭐⭐
I'll let myself out.
6:01
*I like how a lot of the DCAU comics are "questionably canon" they r probably set on an alternate Earth where the only DCAU shows was BTAS, TNBA and the first season of STAS* but this probably has a grain of truth?
I always felt Starman is Will Payton in the dcau
The cosmic converter gives her the ability to fly
Starman Gavyn has a cool look
Mmmm spaghetti doesn't sound bad
That’s funny, I always thought Prince Gavin was Red Star, not one of the many many many heroes to bear the name Starman.
In the Justice League Beyond 2.0 comic, Red Star did appear, using a green-tinted version of JLU Starman’s character design. So...yeah...
Thanks for the video
6:19
Sounds like someone's been listening to Mimir's stories recently.
Wadsworth: ... and to make a long story short
Everyone Else: Too late!
I feel it as a missed opportunity that you guys didn't mention that Bruce Wayne became Starman in the 50s for a very short time.
Ben Forsgren I mentioned that in our notes for this video but it went into the ether, likely the same way Pat became an uncle.
The Stargirl show is amazing!
As much as I loved Justice League Unlimited, they definitely could have done Star Girl more justice. Having her be a background character used just to fill out large battle scenes or make the Watchtower feel more lively, and then putting in the spotlight only to make her look like the less popular, less powerful, less charismatic bitter and jealous counterpart to Supergirl felt gross and annoying. Other JLU members who only ever appeared in the background like Crimson Fox, Gypsy, Vibe, Obsidian, or Dr. Light were already underused, but they picked Star Girl out just to highlight her as "bargain bin Supergirl who nobody likes" and unlike the ending to Patriot Act, were Vigilante, Shining Knight, Crimson Avenger, and Speedy start out as "off brand heroes who nobody cares about" but then become popular and well liked at the end, Star Girl's ending in Chaos at the Earth's Core is basically just learning to accept that she's mid compared to Kara, or something like that.
The "Starman" who appeared as a side character in JL:U is NOT Starman, but Red Star, the original Starfire, from Teen Titans continuity.
Aka Starro the Conqueror
WHEN ARE YOU MAKING A ZETA PROJECT VIDEO YOU GODDAMN PLEBS!
Ted Knight didn't die "mysteriously." He sacrificed himself to fly a nuclear bomb into space, saving the city. There was a big farewell scene and a public memorial. No mystery.
There's a blue action figure of Prince Gavin Starman uniform for some reason
He had a blue version of this costume in the mainstream comics, is probably why. We bring that up in our video about the Rann-Thanagar War!
@@dcauwatchtower . Yes. I loved those stories and that uniform. I will seek for this figure for my collection
13:39 Isn’t that Ultra Boy and 13:59 the other looks like Colossal Boy
Nope! They’re both also in the shot. We thought the same!
Why Green Arrow and Speedy are “just there” in the DCAU is because, well . . . . it’s complicated. See, in addition to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman, GA and Speedy were the only super-heroes (at DC or anywhere) to remain in publication continuously from the Golden Age of the 1940s through to the Silver Age of the 1960s. Thus, when the multiverse concept was introduced to differentiate the Golden and Silver Age versions of various characters, GA & Speedy had exact duplicates on both Earths, just separated by time era. Then, when DC made the ultimately boneheaded move to merge all worlds and timelines into a single continuity as a result of CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, the Earth-2 versions of the Big 5 (er, 7, counting Speedy and Robin) was simply ignored, with those characters established in the modern age with no prior version of legacy. Thus, the JSA became the predecessors of the JLA, instead of multiversesal doppelgängers. Of course, that kind of negated the whole Seven Soldiers-shunted-into-the-future story, as least as it involved GA & Speedy. IIRC, GA was replaced in official DC continuity, and in the Seven Soldiers, by a different Golden Age bowman, The Spider, while Crimson Avenger's previously-ignored sidekick Wing took Speedy's place as the titular seventh soldier. See, very simply, really. 🤨
Haha, yep. This was something I kind of “left on the cutting room floor” for this video, for time’s sake.
First off I want to say that I love the watchtower database and it's not in my nature to usually critique good fans passionate fans of the dcau but I'm afraid I will have to point out one small tiny error Mr James LOL that you had made LOL
According to stargirl in Justice League unlimited chaos at the Earth's core she actually refers to Pat Dugan AKA stripe as her father.
But then we learn that if you watch behind the characters or whatever that's called I can't remember at the moment we find out that Pat Dugan is actually Star girls stepfather. Ironically she supposedly got her powers from a character name star man but it's not this guy or the Starboy we saw from the future in Justice League versus the fatal five.
Apparently there's a lot of star characters including an evil star ironically I have his action figure in the supposed legion of Doom or whatever God was calling them the secret society or whatever.
Like I said I'm not a critiquer I love the DCA you I love you guys y'all look great I love the artwork I love Bruce Tim style I just love the DCA you so much I really hope we don't get a live action dcau because Lord knows we do not need it!! Let's keep the dcau animated please that's why we call it the DC animated universe we do not need it to be live action under any circumstances.
Actually come to think of it I would love to see more dcau property maybe we can get a zeta continuation or possibly a Batman beyond continuation after the events of epilogue I would love to see what Terry's life is like now that he's chosen to stay with Dana chosen to keep everyone in his family that he loves and possibly might even have a kid with Dana who knows.
7:11 Neither Superman nor Hawkgirl were in JL episode, "Maid of Honor", so maybe they fought that villain during the time when the rest of the League were fighting Vandal Savage
Perhaps!
8:19 I really hope Stan Berkowitz sees this
Starman looks like a red Booster Gold
I'm gonna start a riot in my town of 50 people if you dont make a Zeta project video. This is a threat.
At least Stargirl's Justice League Action iteration fills up the gaps of her DCAU iteration not getting a spotlight story.
Still nada on Starman though.
My head canon is that Star Boy is a descendent if either StarGirl or StarMan
Starman got his rod from M'ntorr.
Yes.
In the comics, at least. JLU figure packaging says he made it. So 🤷🏼♀️
I’ve been missing u guys lately, but where’s Matty
Check out the recent BTAS Lost Episodes videos!
They mention Vigilantes timeline shenanigans in one of the comics you’ll eventually read James, I used to have it but my doggo ate it 😭
Nice! Looking forward to it.
Always a amulet
Where does Prince Gavyn get involved? Wasn’t he “Starman”?
Did you finish the video? ;)
I have but like when it comes to ted knight and such, which would be considered the true original since there is this weird convulted plot of gavyn dying and his “essence” goes to some man who was hiking like ??? dc has a rep to make things not make sense 🤣🤣
Got to do pre crisis
When will you cover the DCAU Batman and Scooby Doo guess who crossover?
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In a way it gives the TV show more room to make Stargirl great. I always nit pick over Batman (anything), Stargirl can create her own fans who in the future can insult future shows/ comics/ movies. I hope they make the most of that (relative) freedom. New shows like this should come to UK faster, still not able to watch all Batwoman! 1/2 through & I have to worry about a new Batwoman? Can you talk about Wildcat & the female version in Stargirl, so want a Wildcat series Ted isn't used enough.
Jack was the 7th Starman not the 3rd.
Actually to be truthfully honest I'm kind of annoyed that when the Justice League unlimited action figures came out in the 2000s the star girl figure was not only long legged LOL but also a little too small. She should have been the height of Supergirl and yeah... I really don't know why we didn't get a decent stargo figure in the Justice League unlimited collection and for that matter I don't know why we didn't get a decent Batgirl figure and the new Batman animated series collection new Batman adventures sorry but still for what we got they were great I know this isn't an action figure channel but I figured I'd bring that up anyway because I just really wanted to also I saw a zeta figure Big Sur prise surprise not really quote? Also I would like to see a Royal flush gang collection of action figures but someone made custom figures and they're actually not able to be bought which is unfortunate. Still sorry no this isn't a toy channel but wanted to say it anyway. Again love the dcau love your work you guys are amazing please keep it up. As Captain planet would probably say the dcau power is yours. Sorry.. really didn't mean to reference Captain planet. What was I thinking?? :-)
6:49 7:08 I don't remember these scenes.
“Hunter’s Moon”
“Shadow of the Hawk”
Pat is her step father not her uncle
See: pinned comment
Would you consider doing a legion of doom members vid like you did justice league?
Yes
I wish there was more stargirl.
I never knew that i had a nerdy side until i met Dc 💙💫
my English teacher hates it when i say schway.
The raan war just doesn’t fit into the dcau. It bothers me a lot. They are all but gone because of the episode with vigilante, hawkgirl, and vixen where they encountered the last of the thanagarians. Yes they could’ve regrouped but it doesn’t make sense. Also why would hawkgirl be fighting for them against the green lanterns and John Stewart. She’s banished from the tribe and doesn’t want to be associated with them anymore. The timeline is pretty tight but that’s just like cmon man
We’re looking to do a whole video on what could’ve possibly gone down during the DCAU’s version. Stay tuned!
Hello there
I thought that the knight talked about his past about his king of the round table
Yes, regardless of the time travel with the Seven Soldiers or not, Shining Knight was on King Arthur’s court until Morgaine le Faye froze him, allowing him to get to present day a la Captain America.
Watchtower Database wow thanks for the reply big fan of all you folks work thanks for the clarification
Did you see stargirl in justice league action
Howdy
I've never figured it out, are Starman and Stargirl supposed to be cosmic space heroes or more patriotic heroes?
Star-Spangled Kid, Sylvester Pemberton, was a patriotic WW2 hero, like Captain America and the Shield, meant to be a symbol against the Nazis. Courtney Whitmore, took his costume decades later, spruced it up, and became the new Star-Spangled Kid before she was given the Cosmic Rod by Jack Knight to become Stargirl(she kept the same costume).
Speaking of Jack Knight; him, his older brother, and father held the identity of Starman separately. They used Cosmic Rods to give them the ability of flight and fire energy blasts.
Prince Gavyn and Thom Kallor, the former an alien prince and the latter a 30th century superhero, are the ones considered to be the cosmic space Starmen. Star-Spangled Kid, and by extension Stargirl, were patriotic heroes while the Knights were only because the original(Ted Knight) was an Astronomer.
Do more on starman and 2nd tier jlu heroes and I'll "patreon" you. You have my word. To give credence to my word I love super powers and everything Carlos Barberi is in canon to me. PS Sorry for upsetting u concerning #keepepilogueasecret
I don’t even recall the instance, so no harm done. 😉 We’ll definitely be trying to do more videos on “lesser” characters between our big “Batman: the Adventures Continue” videos.
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Stripe is her step father
Yeah, I dunno how none of us caught that, but we didn’t. Gonna be the comment of comments this video.
Awesome
Why did they change the comic release day?
Not positive
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