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I was just going to post how impressed I was with your animated scenes. They were creative and very cool, much better than still pictures. BTW, I really like your "Sindarin accent."
let me just say we all appreciate you having these characters in antiquity instead of drawing everyone in full plated armor. on twitter the art community im apart of, we only draw tolkiens characters in antiquity. THis was a very nice surprise.
The image of Gil-Galad, Elendil, Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond battling Sauron and probably the nine Nazgul is quite scary, would love to see that one day
Well the way it’s stated in Tolkiens notes and books it’s much more GG and Elendil v Sauron. Isildur Cirdan and Elrond fighting the Nazgul is actually a pretty good theory as to why they were never directly mentioned as fighting sauron.
I'm sort of glad that the actual details surrounding the defeat of Sauron are vague. Just like real mythology. It just adds to the richness of the lore.
It leaves a lot of mystery. Like why is Sauron the only one there without a named weapon? Was he fighting by hand only? When he has the ring does he even really need a weapon? Did he think they would just see him and give up? Did they just BARELY manage to hurt him enough to immobilize him? Would Elrond even tell anyone that they never stood a chance and went down immediately? Is that why it's so vague? Was he "alive" and responsive when Isildur came to him? So cool
I believe it would make sense for Sauron to go out and attack the leaders of the Last Alliance himself as a last resort. In Sun Tzu's The Art of War, he says "Do not press a desperate foe too hard." meaning, do not attack when your enemy is backed into a corner, especially when he has nothing left to lose.
I mean, by the time he fought Isildur and Gil-galad, they had been besieging Barad-dûr for seven years...at that point I think he just wanted to kill them to get some damn sleep.
@@poll-lie-ticks1776 The "Hesitation" at Dunkirk happened because the Germans overextended their offensive and had to stop, refuel, resupply, and secure their otherwise exposed southern flank. Furthermore, the Germans constantly assaulted the British and French troops evacuating without their weapons and artillery, so I would hardly call it hesitation on the part of the Germans. Even if they did somehow cutoff the retreat of the 300,000 at Dunkirk, the Americans could easily fill that gap on D-Day with their numbers.
The Silmarillion states that Sauron "wrestled" with Gil-Galad, and Elendil, and Sauron is one of the only characters to not have a named weapon. Many unimportant characters have named weapons, even when they are never used. I believe Sauron faced the two of them unarmed and just killed them both by hand with brute force and the heat of his spirit. Probably only 15 seconds total. This is why Sauron is so cool. He fights his own battles like Morgoth only did once.
I imagine Narsil being cracked on Sauron's Ring enhanced armor and finally broke when Elendil fell on it with his own armor when he was smacked across the battlefield.
Can imagine Elendil stabbing/cutting Sauron leading to the blade burning hot & gets weakened. Leading to him getting hit & blade breaks under him when he falls dead.. Turins Turinbars sword had a mind of its own. Could aswell be that Narsil broke because of the death of its master. Feels like a Tolkien thing since the sword was ancient & special. + the prophecy that the sword would be reforged and the heir if Isildur became king etc. Means they could have reforged earlier but didn't.
Nah it breaks when he runs sauron through with it, pulls it out and then succumbs to his wounds and died ontop of it. It’s not like a single hit from sauron would send Elendil flying he probably threw hands with sauron and took multiple blows in the fight, this isn’t the movies ☠️ they’re almost the same size.
Sauron was unarmed. No mace, sword, etc. Likely Sauron was badly wounded, and Gil Galad thrust Aegilos into Sauron's body. Sauron pulled himself up the shaft of Aeglos, grabbing Gil Galad by the neck or head, immolating him with the heat of his body (estimated at 900F degrees). Elendil thrusts Narsil through Sauron's heart, mortally wounding Sauron's mortal form. Elendil dies from wounds and/or burning and falls across his sword. Narsil was made brittle from the heat of Sauron's body with the blade of Narsil breaking about a foot from the hilt when Elendil falls upon it. Isildur describes the One Ring as being "hot as a glede" when he took it. Tolkien was fond of old English in which "glede" meant a red hot burning coal. Little wonder that Isildur was never free of the pain from the ring burning him.
I think Sauron was mortally wounded by Elendil and Gil-Galad. All he had left was the power of influence. As Isildur approached the stricken Sauron, the Dark Lord reached out his hand to try to sway Isildur. Isildurs grief turned to greed as he viewed the One Ring on Saurons outstretched burnt hand. Isildur slashed angrily at Saurons feigned attempt at mercy and cut the One ring from his finger. He claimed the One Ring for himself and was corrupted by the power within. A similar fate would be shared by Smeagol many years later.
If the Ring and Sauron are one, why would Isildur feels greed with the Ring still on Sauron's finger ? The Rings radiates with emotions only when it is vulnerable to the decisions of other than its Master. My take is that the 2 kings were escorted by many (whom Isildur) to kill Sauron, but the Maia managed to kill or put KO everyone except the 2 kings. They fight, Sauron is "overthrowned" (Tolkien's word) and Isildur, previously stunned and wounded, manages to get back into the fight to cut off Sauron's finger with the broken sword Narsil. Meanwhile Sauron was not dead but wounded, numbed, paralyzed and finally hampered by Aeglos, allowing Isildur to perform the cut that would deal the "death blow", cause the Ring would have allowed Sauron to survive and heal in the hour probably.
I like how Lotro did their cutscene the way you're describing it as well. I thought it was interesting that they made Sauron power-punch Elendil to break his neck but it makes sense that he would've done it with his ring hand. I also liked how until elendil stabbed Sauron he actually outmatched him in skill and was almost as tall as him. The long beard of Elendil was a nice touch as well to signify the passage of time.
Tolkien Knew when he wrote this that If he lets this duel undetailed that we would speculate on this centuries to come! What an mind he had. Truly a legend!
Having 1 or 2 at a time against sauron, with ring n full power just goes to show how powerful or how unafraid the High Kings of elves n men truly were, compared to the third age
There is about 30 mil between Barad-dur and Mount Doom. Considering to distance Sauron probably killed dozens of noldorian and numenorian. I read some fan theory about why Sauron tried to go to The volcano is the fact He actualy try to use power of volcano and was planing to destroy army of The Last Alliance with it but Gil Galad and Elendil stopped him in the slopes of the fiery mountain. For what it's worth
Welcome back! We've talked quite a bit about your first video back and it was certainly something different from what everyone else is doing. Looking forward to what comes next. The custom-made art was particularly good, made the whole thing seem quite interactive.
I very much asume that "Gil-Galad and Elendil vs Sauron" is more figuratively meant: Same as "Sauron conquering the lands of the east and south" which of course he did not by himself but with his servants. Since these three figures were the chiefs of their hosts, only those are mentioned.. I fathom it takes a great hero of the first age to combat a Maiar spirit. too bad we cant as Tolkien himself but on the other hand it gives us sooo much room for speculation :) truly the greatest story ever
The extreme heat of Sauron's body could have made Elendil's sword soft if he pierced Sauron's body with it. Maybe that's why when he pulled it from Sauron to do another blow he was struck and thus landed on his softened sword, breaking it. Just a thought.
Sauron had great power to instill fear in men and elves, more so when wearing the one ring and to a far greater degree than than Witch King and other Nazgul. Presumably, even with Sauron's will driving his servants, they could not withstand the forces of the Nolder, Numenoreans and allies. Hence, when on the verge of defeat, Sauron was obligated to come forward himself. Sauron's presence weakened the will of men and elves to resist Sauron's force and were killed or driven away, similar to when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli were pursuing the Orcs who captured Merry and Pippin, felt will causing them to feel tired and dispirited. Only Gil-galad, Elrond, Cirdan, Elendil and Isildur were able to withstand Sauron's approach. I will presume Sauron did not come alone but had his bodyguard (trolls?) and Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur had to contend with these leaving Gil-galad and Elrond to face Sauron. I am inclined to think the Sauron broken Narsil and killed Elendil first, then killed Gil-galad. but himself was knocked down by Gil-galad. This would give Isildur time to pick up Narsil to cut the ring finger off Sauron. It is possible Sauron's armor could withstand ordinary and even Numenorean steel, and only something special could cut Sauron's armor, hence Isildur went for Narsil
Glad to see you back! I never considered Narsil could have been broken by Sauron's deadly heat. Though we will never know for sure exactly what happened... But then again, isn't that precisely what makes it so fascinating? :)
More Last Alliance content, thats great. Its sad Tollkien never gave us a clear description how the last battle of Elendil and Gil-Galad went but i like your interpretation. Maybe Narsil broke because Sauron steped on Elendil who lyed upon his sword. No canon in any way but i like to think that Isildur, Elrond and Cirdan fought Saurons lieutenants (the nazgûl) and can't help the high king until he was weakened and his servants run away. So the only thing Isildur was left to do was cuting of the ring of saurons hand. I still hope the war of the last alliance will be the final season of the amazon lotr series.
I also hope they will round of the series with this war! Love your interpretation Marc, and thanks for your support! Be on the lookout for some siege videos soon :)
My first disagreement is that it was said that both of them engaged in a duel with sauron, that implies they fought him with purpose together not moments apart. I would also say that sauron was a bad fighter seems to be silly, there's nothing to indicate he couldn't throw hands and it diminishes him as a foe and Gil-Galad and Elendil as his opponents. Gil-Galad was a peerless fighter and fought in and survived in the war of wrath and Elendil was the best swordsman in all of Númenor. Frankly Sauron would need some skill to kill them considering that fingolfin who would be of comparable skill did relatively decently against morgoth who by all rights was more powerful. Tolkien said Gandalf couldn't beat sauron in a fight, Gandalf fought a balrog on equal terms. This implies Gil and Elendil could have slain a balrog and therefore you have to judge the skill of their duel with sauron with all this in mind. As a final point I would think Elendil would go down first not Gil-Galad as sauron resorted to burning Gil alive but did not burn Elendil and also Gil's spear was melted after the fight so sauron was never pierced by Narsil until the ring was cut. All this indicates (forensically) Elendil gave Gil an opening to strike intentionally or not and died doing so, Gil struck but was consumed by flame with his spear inside sauron who then fell to the wound, unable to stop his ring from being cut by Isildur. I would note I doubt the king would have gone down easily and it could be assumed therefore the duel wasn't a quick one and that was simply its conclusion.
I have read some of your posts on other boards and agree with you. I didn't have an opinion the issue one way of the other, but you convinced me that the Valar didn't participate. 😁
@@oliveremmettknox7776 Because Morgoth was not a Vala anymore. He spent most of his spirit in the corruption of Arda. He was barely a shadow of his former self. Even Fingolfin almost beat him. Eonwe was by far more powerful than Morgoth at the time.
The glory goes of Sauron's defeat goes to Gil-Galad and Elendil. Isildur merely cut the ring from a very weakened or dead Sauron. The animation is not bad. Where is it from?
@@tylerellis9097 The Ring was on his finger, so I think he could have healed himself in a short time if Isildur had not cut off his finger and taken the ring. Once the Ring was taken, Sauron is not seen in Middle Earth for over three thousand years.
Wonderful speculation on how this momentous event took place. I never really considered that isildur’s cutting of the ring finger, defeating Sauron (like in the film’s presentation) is not how the accounts make it. Rather, the might of Gil Galad and Elendil’s duel alone were enough to would Sauron so much that Isildur had the opportunity to “deal the final blow” and collect his weregild.
A wonderful video as always. The custom-art is quite enjoyable (although I always imagined the face of Sauron if it could be seen as something less humanoid - more like Warren Mahy's concept art for Peter Jackson's TLotR film trilogy which I suggest you check out, it looks interesting- given that the Enemy lost his ability to assume a fair hue in the Downfall of Numenor; though I rather envision him as being masked with a crowned helm - something like PJ's take or the artwork of Elena Kukanova or Tolkien himself; Gil-galad though looks very good and Elendil isn't bad at all). All in all, the results of the effort you put in it are clearly visible and I'd say it was rewarding of your time! Keep it up!
My interpretation of what happened is when Sauron realised he was f*cked he leads the final sortie to reach Orodruin, perhaps to create a volcanic inferno that destroys the last alliance. When he reaches the mountain and starts to descend, on one of the platforms Gil-Galad and Elendil reaches Sauron and duels him. They fight and wound each other several times. At last Sauron gets the overhand and flings Elendil aside. Gil-Galad pierces Sauron with Aeglos but is simultaneously hoisted up in the air and scorched by Saurons hand. Sauron takes his ring and drops Gil-Galads lifeless body, but before he can put it on Elendil tackles Sauron, flinging them both over the edge of the platform, crashing down at the side of the mountain. Narsil brakes beneath Elendil and the king dies in the fall. Sauron, wounded and weak tries to drag himself towards Vilya. Isildur finds him, takes his father’s broken sword and cuts off the ring from the dark lords hand, creating a shockwave from the separation of Sauron from his power. Tell me what you think ;))
Really just The Second Age's iteration of Fingolfin and Morgoth. Personal, hand-to-hand combat between the world's current Dark Lord and its Heroes with unbelievably high stakes at hand. In one, the Second Age ends, Sauron's crippled..and in the other, Morgoth, a friggin God of Valinor, quakes in fear and is ultimately proven to be actually beatable. Hope still lives for the Peoples of Middle-earth.. but comes at a _great_ cost. (I don't know, just my two cents.) I really like the comparing and contrasting of the two monumental events.
I think the final battle lasted much longer maybe several days. After many sorties and wounds Sauron was defeated and maybe feined greater injury in order to at least take down Gil Galad whom he burned with a spell. Gil Galad probably had many injuries too. Elendil close by responded by stabbing Sauron which destroyed both Elendil and most of his sword but what was left of Sauron. Isildur completed the deed. He Cirdan and Elrond probably arrived to witness as Elendil dealt the fatal blow.
I really hope The War of the Last Alliance and Gil Galad's and Elendil's duel with Sauron will be in the finale of Amazon's Second Age Middle Earth TV series.
Good video. I think Tolkien purposely left it vague. He could have had Elrond describe it in detail at the Council but chose not to. Or he could have put it in the appendices. It's interesting, Lore, that Sauron is, in the trilogy, never an on-stage character. He is only referred to; he never appears. The trilogy is about "the ring," and the dangerous temptation it represents. Sauron himself is, more or less, just an agent of Morgoth. He's just a powerful and cunning balrog who had the ability to cloak himself in a fair form and seduce elves and men. You and I both have a lot of problems with the movie adaptation of LOTR, but one thing Peter Jackson was correct in doing was to show Isildur standing inside Mt. Doom and losing the will to destroy the ring, while Elrond screamed at him to throw it into the pit. This is, of course, a compete invention on the part of Jackson but it fits perfectly thematically. Sauron himself is incidental. It is the ring, and how each character reacts to it, that is at the heart of the story. (P.S. We will soon get Amazon's Second Age adaptation, where Sauron is an on-stage character, though Tolkien neve wrote descriptions of interactions or conversations between characters, etc. It will be interesting to see how they draw his character, given there is so little material with which to work.)
Good point there Jeff. I suppose they didn't show him merely to make him more horrendous. Not even seeing him, just hearing terrible stuff about him, makes him even more menacing!
Sauron and Morgoth was far from the same morgoth wanted to destroy the world and Sauron wanted to rule it most people think morgoth was way more powerful than sauron Melkor yes was both when he became morgoth he had diminished much in power giving a bunch away to corrupt the world sauron put most of his power in the ring so I'd say for the most part sauron was more powerful than morgoth at his end or capture
@@jmgates09 Jamie, I couldn't quite understand what you were saying, which is excusable if English is not your first language; but your comment had nothing to do with the thoughts contained in my comment. Cheers fellow Tolkien nerd.
@@Dr._Atom I'll be OK with the Amazon adaptation because they have to invent it pretty much from scratch. With LOTR they didn't have to invent anything, they had to leave things out, lot of things (like The Scouring of the Shire). Where I got upset with Jackson was when he changed things thematically, like making Saruman into Sauron's puppet (which he certainly wasn't, he wanted the ring for himself).
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Let me tease you a bit... your next video will be about a siege, but for which siege there is enough information to do a video about? I suspect it's the siege of Súthburg (later Helm's Deep). Or the siege of Angband? The siege of Minas Tirith (though you already did a video on the battle of the Pelennor Fields)?
We’re probably gonna see this duel in the Amazon Prime LOTR series. Heck, according to some of the on set images from the first film, Sauron was supposed to duel Elendil and Gil-Galad, and he was supposed to wield both his mace and a sword that was made for him. The duel itself was cut from the film.
What a great video. Way better than Peter Jackson's interpretation of the event, which shows Elendil as a weakened old man, and Gil-Galad completely absent from it.
@@JerrBear1974 No. I thought the lotr RUclips universe lacked new art. So I hired artists and animators. I have lots of other stuff in store for the future!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT how awesome! Please send out many compliments to the artists and animators. I think it looks fantastic and can't wait for more content. Glad I have the bell notifications on!Keep up the great work!!!😁
I’ve come to deduce that Narsil pierced Sauron, “mortally” as it were; and similarly to the fate of Merry’s blessed Barrow Blade, the dark power wielded by Enemy degrades weapons which strike their person. I think this holds at least somewhat even for Narsil which had a much greater lineage & superior forging. In the first age Angrist broke after the second attempt to sever a 2nd spire off The Iron Crown, Even the greatest sword in the legendarium Gurthang broke after mortally impaling Glaurung
nice video, I believe saron came out to try to break the siege because anaron was hit by a bolder from bardor and killed seeing panic in the enemy lines, and i wouldnt say saron isnt a great fighter, he was a mia and even gandelf said that saron was the most dangerous thing in middle earth, and tokien wrote in a letter that if gandelf had taken the ring and bent it to his will and confronted saron that the battle would be a close one.
Sacrifice of Elendil, Gil-galad...and Oropher's, and Anarion's. A lot was lost during the war for Elendil to screw up in the end and getting killed because he couldn't form a Dírnaith in time.
It's an interesting question what would have happened if for example in the immediate aftermath of the fight, some servants of Sauron managed a last ditch attack and were able to take Sauron's body away before the One could be cut from his hand.
It's hard to know the exact details of the final confrontation with Sauron by Gil-galad and Elendil. It happened over three thousand years before the events of the Lord of the Rings. As with all ancient events (even in our world) much passes into legend and myth. Details become obscured and and lost.
@@Enerdhil Sauron: I will make more rings for you if you stop now. Elendil: Why don't you show the sincerity of your offer by handing out the trifle on your hand? Sauron: The negotiations are closed.
Cutting off the ring finger can hardly called a 'death blow' (One Ring or not). Sauron could be killed in body, with or without the One Ring (his 'death' in Numenor shows this). Taking the One Ring merely prevented a quick return of the Dark Lord. This does not mean that it was not Elendil & Gil-galad that did the lion's share of the fighting though. Perhaps even mortally wounding or severely weakening Sauron. And Elendil's sword breaking underneath him may have more to do with Elendil being defeated than any special force applied to it, as there is precedent of 'magic' swords breaking is such situations when a beloved master falls. Sauron's last sortie was evidently intended to 'cut off the head' of the Alliance leadership, as without their mighty leaders, the Alliance could be expected to loose heart and possibly crumble. It made it all the way to the slopes of Mt. Doom, which is about twenty (or was that 40?) miles (iirc), which is quite a distance and must have been a massive undertaking.
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I wanted to propose thee something, would you like to try out Silmarillion TW? It's a mod based on the events of the 1st age I could link you the discord server, you could use the mod to animate your videos :D
@@khamullordoftheeastelings390 I have checked it out, and will definitely use it for first age stuff in future. My artists has not yet begun on First Age stuff tho. But we will get there eventually!
Would of been good if Peter Jackson used gil galad and elendil more in the prologue even in a 30 second duel would of been enough to see them strike sauron down
I know that the ring had to go on but I have trouble believing that Cirdan and Elrond,seeing the ring for what it is, did not force Isildur to hand over the ring to be destroyed. jmho.
Hey what was the name of your old third age channel? I can’t seem to find it anymore did you delete that old channel?? I know it was avantarno something
i love how you avoided using Peter Jackson aesthetic and instead made your own drawings and animations closer to tolkien`s norse original vision. amazing video!
WHY does Sauron have only 9 fingers in the Third Age? I just don't get that. Whatever body he has in the Third Age should be complete. Just doesn't make sense.
A lot of the reasoning behind that could be purely symbolic, a comment on the nature of evil, unable to will a form greater than what it had before. Sauron uses his will and power to recreate a shape, but it remains tarnished, and incomplete, carrying the wound he was dealt before. It would be one he wouldn't heal through his own will until the ring was returned to him. A reminder of his malicious will and intent. On the other hand, it could be related to Tolkien's thoughts on those losing an incarnated form wishing to return as quickly as they can to that form. Sauron had been forced from that form and took a long time to will and desire its return. He gets that in the end, but it remains in some ways broken, with him unable to heal that wound through his own will. It leads me to suspect that if Morgoth could have returned to a physical form, he would have willed the one he lost at the end of the First Age, with incurable wounds he had once been dealt. A wound of the body tied to the wounding of the spirit. It seems Sauron (perhaps) could just not get over the wound that he was dealt which caused him to lose the ring. Just my thoughts on it anyway!
Peter Jackson portrayal of a fight between elendil, gilgalad and sauron, is the only bad and cringest thing in the movie. The scene was too straight up stupid.
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Yes the art is wonderful ( so far i just started a min ago )
Great job all around
I was just going to post how impressed I was with your animated scenes. They were creative and very cool, much better than still pictures. BTW, I really like your "Sindarin accent."
Yes art help a lot to picture the events!
let me just say we all appreciate you having these characters in antiquity instead of drawing everyone in full plated armor. on twitter the art community im apart of, we only draw tolkiens characters in antiquity. THis was a very nice surprise.
The image of Gil-Galad, Elendil, Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond battling Sauron and probably the nine Nazgul is quite scary, would love to see that one day
Well the way it’s stated in Tolkiens notes and books it’s much more GG and Elendil v Sauron. Isildur Cirdan and Elrond fighting the Nazgul is actually a pretty good theory as to why they were never directly mentioned as fighting sauron.
Gunna be the last episode of the rings of power by the looks of it
@@fionncarty8913yeah... I'm sure they will do it justice... 🙄🤢🤮
I'm sort of glad that the actual details surrounding the defeat of Sauron are vague.
Just like real mythology.
It just adds to the richness of the lore.
Agreed! Love such stuff for sure Paradox!
It leaves a lot of mystery. Like why is Sauron the only one there without a named weapon? Was he fighting by hand only? When he has the ring does he even really need a weapon? Did he think they would just see him and give up? Did they just BARELY manage to hurt him enough to immobilize him? Would Elrond even tell anyone that they never stood a chance and went down immediately? Is that why it's so vague? Was he "alive" and responsive when Isildur came to him? So cool
I believe it would make sense for Sauron to go out and attack the leaders of the Last Alliance himself as a last resort. In Sun Tzu's The Art of War, he says "Do not press a desperate foe too hard." meaning, do not attack when your enemy is backed into a corner, especially when he has nothing left to lose.
Cool reference there Kevin :) And great point!
A wounded animal is usually the most dangerous.
I mean, by the time he fought Isildur and Gil-galad, they had been besieging Barad-dûr for seven years...at that point I think he just wanted to kill them to get some damn sleep.
Interesting thought, but the German hesitation at Dunkirk in WW2 suggests otherwise.
@@poll-lie-ticks1776 The "Hesitation" at Dunkirk happened because the Germans overextended their offensive and had to stop, refuel, resupply, and secure their otherwise exposed southern flank. Furthermore, the Germans constantly assaulted the British and French troops evacuating without their weapons and artillery, so I would hardly call it hesitation on the part of the Germans. Even if they did somehow cutoff the retreat of the 300,000 at Dunkirk, the Americans could easily fill that gap on D-Day with their numbers.
The Silmarillion states that Sauron "wrestled" with Gil-Galad, and Elendil, and Sauron is one of the only characters to not have a named weapon. Many unimportant characters have named weapons, even when they are never used. I believe Sauron faced the two of them unarmed and just killed them both by hand with brute force and the heat of his spirit. Probably only 15 seconds total. This is why Sauron is so cool. He fights his own battles like Morgoth only did once.
If Sauron fought his own battles there would be no witch king of angmar
I imagine Narsil being cracked on Sauron's Ring enhanced armor and finally broke when Elendil fell on it with his own armor when he was smacked across the battlefield.
Cool theory!
Can imagine Elendil stabbing/cutting Sauron leading to the blade burning hot & gets weakened. Leading to him getting hit & blade breaks under him when he falls dead..
Turins Turinbars sword had a mind of its own. Could aswell be that Narsil broke because of the death of its master.
Feels like a Tolkien thing since the sword was ancient & special. + the prophecy that the sword would be reforged and the heir if Isildur became king etc. Means they could have reforged earlier but didn't.
Nah it breaks when he runs sauron through with it, pulls it out and then succumbs to his wounds and died ontop of it. It’s not like a single hit from sauron would send Elendil flying he probably threw hands with sauron and took multiple blows in the fight, this isn’t the movies ☠️ they’re almost the same size.
Sauron was unarmed. No mace, sword, etc. Likely Sauron was badly wounded, and Gil Galad thrust Aegilos into Sauron's body. Sauron pulled himself up the shaft of Aeglos, grabbing Gil Galad by the neck or head, immolating him with the heat of his body (estimated at 900F degrees). Elendil thrusts Narsil through Sauron's heart, mortally wounding Sauron's mortal form. Elendil dies from wounds and/or burning and falls across his sword. Narsil was made brittle from the heat of Sauron's body with the blade of Narsil breaking about a foot from the hilt when Elendil falls upon it. Isildur describes the One Ring as being "hot as a glede" when he took it. Tolkien was fond of old English in which "glede" meant a red hot burning coal. Little wonder that Isildur was never free of the pain from the ring burning him.
I think Sauron was mortally wounded by Elendil and Gil-Galad. All he had left was the power of influence. As Isildur approached the stricken Sauron, the Dark Lord reached out his hand to try to sway Isildur. Isildurs grief turned to greed as he viewed the One Ring on Saurons outstretched burnt hand. Isildur slashed angrily at Saurons feigned attempt at mercy and cut the One ring from his finger. He claimed the One Ring for himself and was corrupted by the power within. A similar fate would be shared by Smeagol many years later.
If the Ring and Sauron are one, why would Isildur feels greed with the Ring still on Sauron's finger ? The Rings radiates with emotions only when it is vulnerable to the decisions of other than its Master.
My take is that the 2 kings were escorted by many (whom Isildur) to kill Sauron, but the Maia managed to kill or put KO everyone except the 2 kings.
They fight, Sauron is "overthrowned" (Tolkien's word) and Isildur, previously stunned and wounded, manages to get back into the fight to cut off Sauron's finger with the broken sword Narsil.
Meanwhile Sauron was not dead but wounded, numbed, paralyzed and finally hampered by Aeglos, allowing Isildur to perform the cut that would deal the "death blow", cause the Ring would have allowed Sauron to survive and heal in the hour probably.
I like how Lotro did their cutscene the way you're describing it as well. I thought it was interesting that they made Sauron power-punch Elendil to break his neck but it makes sense that he would've done it with his ring hand. I also liked how until elendil stabbed Sauron he actually outmatched him in skill and was almost as tall as him. The long beard of Elendil was a nice touch as well to signify the passage of time.
This was amazing, beautiful art and animations. Thank you for this.
Glad you enjoyed it Scott!
Welcome back! your quality keeps on improving with every video, so glad you decided to go more in depth with this legendary fight.
Thanks Hailey. I am currently working on a battle animation thats over 20 minutes long. Hopefully that will justify my break :)
Agreed on the quality
@@shanenolan8252 Thanks Shane :)
Tolkien Knew when he wrote this that If he lets this duel undetailed that we would speculate on this centuries to come!
What an mind he had. Truly a legend!
Indeed!
Or he just didnt bother to add details.
@@hapablap2088 that's just dumb writing and he did not know what to do and how to kill sauron
Exactly @@redphoenix9547
He was creating a mythos, and just like real myths and legends, the fine details can be lost to time
Having 1 or 2 at a time against sauron, with ring n full power just goes to show how powerful or how unafraid the High Kings of elves n men truly were, compared to the third age
I like your narration, you have passion for the subject manner in your voice.
Thanks Aleksander :)
There is about 30 mil between Barad-dur and Mount Doom. Considering to distance Sauron probably killed dozens of noldorian and numenorian. I read some fan theory about why Sauron tried to go to The volcano is the fact He actualy try to use power of volcano and was planing to destroy army of The Last Alliance with it but Gil Galad and Elendil stopped him in the slopes of the fiery mountain. For what it's worth
Cool theory. Also the Ring would only get stronger the closer it gets to my doom.
Welcome back! We've talked quite a bit about your first video back and it was certainly something different from what everyone else is doing. Looking forward to what comes next. The custom-made art was particularly good, made the whole thing seem quite interactive.
Thanks Steven :) Yeah, really happy about the animations, cant wait to show you the Siege video in a few weeks :D
The production of this video must have taken hours. Thanks for your hard work and high quality lore videos.❤️❤️❤️
Glad you enjoyed it Enerdhil!
I very much asume that "Gil-Galad and Elendil vs Sauron" is more figuratively meant: Same as "Sauron conquering the lands of the east and south" which of course he did not by himself but with his servants. Since these three figures were the chiefs of their hosts, only those are mentioned.. I fathom it takes a great hero of the first age to combat a Maiar spirit.
too bad we cant as Tolkien himself but on the other hand it gives us sooo much room for speculation :)
truly the greatest story ever
Gil-Galad *was* a hero of the First Age, and Elendil was the among greatest of Numenorean Kings
I really hope that this duel receives the amount of attention and care that it deserves in the Amazon show.
Word up!
The extreme heat of Sauron's body could have made Elendil's sword soft if he pierced Sauron's body with it. Maybe that's why when he pulled it from Sauron to do another blow he was struck and thus landed on his softened sword, breaking it. Just a thought.
Great video Mellon, BTW the art is amazing
Thank you so much 😀 Custom made :)
Sauron had great power to instill fear in men and elves, more so when wearing the one ring and to a far greater degree than than Witch King and other Nazgul. Presumably, even with Sauron's will driving his servants, they could not withstand the forces of the Nolder, Numenoreans and allies. Hence, when on the verge of defeat, Sauron was obligated to come forward himself. Sauron's presence weakened the will of men and elves to resist Sauron's force and were killed or driven away, similar to when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli were pursuing the Orcs who captured Merry and Pippin, felt will causing them to feel tired and dispirited. Only Gil-galad, Elrond, Cirdan, Elendil and Isildur were able to withstand Sauron's approach. I will presume Sauron did not come alone but had his bodyguard (trolls?) and Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur had to contend with these leaving Gil-galad and Elrond to face Sauron. I am inclined to think the Sauron broken Narsil and killed Elendil first, then killed Gil-galad. but himself was knocked down by Gil-galad. This would give Isildur time to pick up Narsil to cut the ring finger off Sauron. It is possible Sauron's armor could withstand ordinary and even Numenorean steel, and only something special could cut Sauron's armor, hence Isildur went for Narsil
I like your view on this topic I wish everyone was as keen on this subject as people like you
Thanks my friend always a pleasure to see a new video
Thanks for being here as always Shane :)
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT oh it my pleasure sir , almost finished wonderful work.
Glad to see you back! I never considered Narsil could have been broken by Sauron's deadly heat. Though we will never know for sure exactly what happened... But then again, isn't that precisely what makes it so fascinating? :)
Indeed Jo! Not knowing is half the fun :D
More Last Alliance content, thats great.
Its sad Tollkien never gave us a clear description how the last battle of Elendil and Gil-Galad went but i like your interpretation.
Maybe Narsil broke because Sauron steped on Elendil who lyed upon his sword.
No canon in any way but i like to think that Isildur, Elrond and Cirdan fought Saurons lieutenants (the nazgûl) and can't help the high king until he was weakened and his servants run away. So the only thing Isildur was left to do was cuting of the ring of saurons hand.
I still hope the war of the last alliance will be the final season of the amazon lotr series.
I also hope they will round of the series with this war! Love your interpretation Marc, and thanks for your support! Be on the lookout for some siege videos soon :)
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Great i love your lore accurate battle Videos.
I would say that, his mind corrupted by the ring, Isildur took more credit for killing Sauron than he actually did
Great cuts from Lord of the Rings Online's Minas Morgul extension. Sauron looks so creepy ....
Amazing work! I loved this one, and really happy to see you're back!
Thanks elijy! The music was so amazing to use :)
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT it blended perfectly!
My first disagreement is that it was said that both of them engaged in a duel with sauron, that implies they fought him with purpose together not moments apart.
I would also say that sauron was a bad fighter seems to be silly, there's nothing to indicate he couldn't throw hands and it diminishes him as a foe and Gil-Galad and Elendil as his opponents. Gil-Galad was a peerless fighter and fought in and survived in the war of wrath and Elendil was the best swordsman in all of Númenor. Frankly Sauron would need some skill to kill them considering that fingolfin who would be of comparable skill did relatively decently against morgoth who by all rights was more powerful. Tolkien said Gandalf couldn't beat sauron in a fight, Gandalf fought a balrog on equal terms. This implies Gil and Elendil could have slain a balrog and therefore you have to judge the skill of their duel with sauron with all this in mind.
As a final point I would think Elendil would go down first not Gil-Galad as sauron resorted to burning Gil alive but did not burn Elendil and also Gil's spear was melted after the fight so sauron was never pierced by Narsil until the ring was cut. All this indicates (forensically) Elendil gave Gil an opening to strike intentionally or not and died doing so, Gil struck but was consumed by flame with his spear inside sauron who then fell to the wound, unable to stop his ring from being cut by Isildur. I would note I doubt the king would have gone down easily and it could be assumed therefore the duel wasn't a quick one and that was simply its conclusion.
Wish there was more of Gil-Galad in the movies/books.
I have an idea for a video. About how The Valar DID NOT fight in The War of Wrath since it was plainly stated Eonwe, Herald of Manwe led the Host.
This is true :) I will make a video about the war of wrath in the future!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Thank you.
I have read some of your posts on other boards and agree with you. I didn't have an opinion the issue one way of the other, but you convinced me that the Valar didn't participate. 😁
If the Valar did not fought in the War of Wraith, how was Eonwe, a maia, able to subdue Morgoth (A Vala) in the chain of Angainor?
@@oliveremmettknox7776 Because Morgoth was not a Vala anymore. He spent most of his spirit in the corruption of Arda. He was barely a shadow of his former self. Even Fingolfin almost beat him. Eonwe was by far more powerful than Morgoth at the time.
The glory goes of Sauron's defeat goes to Gil-Galad and Elendil. Isildur merely cut the ring from a very weakened or dead Sauron.
The animation is not bad. Where is it from?
NM, I see it's from @BFME REFORGED
So you don't think Sauron's body could have rejuvenated and healed itself in a short time?
@@Enerdhil in a short time? Nah, in a hundred years yeah.
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The Ring was on his finger, so I think he could have healed himself in a short time if Isildur had not cut off his finger and taken the ring. Once the Ring was taken, Sauron is not seen in Middle Earth for over three thousand years.
@@Enerdhil It took him a while to recover from Numenor sinking thou and he permanently lost his fair form while having the Ring
9:37am over here. I just woke up and immediately started watching this video 😁 PS: would you ever consider streaming any of the LOTR video games?
I might do some Divide and Conquer at some point my friend! And I have planned to do some livestreaming with GeekZone!
Wonderful speculation on how this momentous event took place. I never really considered that isildur’s cutting of the ring finger, defeating Sauron (like in the film’s presentation) is not how the accounts make it. Rather, the might of Gil Galad and Elendil’s duel alone were enough to would Sauron so much that Isildur had the opportunity to “deal the final blow” and collect his weregild.
Loving the art used in your video mate, keep up the good work!
Thank you! Glad to hear that you appreciate the time and effort put into it!
A wonderful video as always. The custom-art is quite enjoyable (although I always imagined the face of Sauron if it could be seen as something less humanoid - more like Warren Mahy's concept art for Peter Jackson's TLotR film trilogy which I suggest you check out, it looks interesting- given that the Enemy lost his ability to assume a fair hue in the Downfall of Numenor; though I rather envision him as being masked with a crowned helm - something like PJ's take or the artwork of Elena Kukanova or Tolkien himself; Gil-galad though looks very good and Elendil isn't bad at all). All in all, the results of the effort you put in it are clearly visible and I'd say it was rewarding of your time! Keep it up!
Thank you Great Wanderer! I guess a crown would make sense, as he viewed himself as the savior of Middle-Earth!
I hope the writers of Rings of Power actually show this duel in their show…
Great to have you back!
Thanks Malte!!
That move elendil used to destroy sauron's mace in your animation was badass
Thanks :)
My interpretation of what happened is when Sauron realised he was f*cked he leads the final sortie to reach Orodruin, perhaps to create a volcanic inferno that destroys the last alliance. When he reaches the mountain and starts to descend, on one of the platforms Gil-Galad and Elendil reaches Sauron and duels him. They fight and wound each other several times. At last Sauron gets the overhand and flings Elendil aside. Gil-Galad pierces Sauron with Aeglos but is simultaneously hoisted up in the air and scorched by Saurons hand. Sauron takes his ring and drops Gil-Galads lifeless body, but before he can put it on Elendil tackles Sauron, flinging them both over the edge of the platform, crashing down at the side of the mountain. Narsil brakes beneath Elendil and the king dies in the fall. Sauron, wounded and weak tries to drag himself towards Vilya. Isildur finds him, takes his father’s broken sword and cuts off the ring from the dark lords hand, creating a shockwave from the separation of Sauron from his power.
Tell me what you think ;))
Really just The Second Age's iteration of Fingolfin and Morgoth. Personal, hand-to-hand combat between the world's current Dark Lord and its Heroes with unbelievably high stakes at hand. In one, the Second Age ends, Sauron's crippled..and in the other, Morgoth, a friggin God of Valinor, quakes in fear and is ultimately proven to be actually beatable. Hope still lives for the Peoples of Middle-earth.. but comes at a _great_ cost.
(I don't know, just my two cents.) I really like the comparing and contrasting of the two monumental events.
I think the final battle lasted much longer maybe several days. After many sorties and wounds Sauron was defeated and maybe feined greater injury in order to at least take down Gil Galad whom he burned with a spell. Gil Galad probably had many injuries too. Elendil close by responded by stabbing Sauron which destroyed both Elendil and most of his sword but what was left of Sauron. Isildur completed the deed. He Cirdan and Elrond probably arrived to witness as Elendil dealt the fatal blow.
I really hope The War of the Last Alliance and Gil Galad's and Elendil's duel with Sauron will be in the finale of Amazon's Second Age Middle Earth TV series.
I know this is an old comment but I have to tell you: NO, YOU DON'T WANT THAT.
Good video. I think Tolkien purposely left it vague. He could have had Elrond describe it in detail at the Council but chose not to. Or he could have put it in the appendices. It's interesting, Lore, that Sauron is, in the trilogy, never an on-stage character. He is only referred to; he never appears. The trilogy is about "the ring," and the dangerous temptation it represents. Sauron himself is, more or less, just an agent of Morgoth. He's just a powerful and cunning balrog who had the ability to cloak himself in a fair form and seduce elves and men. You and I both have a lot of problems with the movie adaptation of LOTR, but one thing Peter Jackson was correct in doing was to show Isildur standing inside Mt. Doom and losing the will to destroy the ring, while Elrond screamed at him to throw it into the pit. This is, of course, a compete invention on the part of Jackson but it fits perfectly thematically. Sauron himself is incidental. It is the ring, and how each character reacts to it, that is at the heart of the story. (P.S. We will soon get Amazon's Second Age adaptation, where Sauron is an on-stage character, though Tolkien neve wrote descriptions of interactions or conversations between characters, etc. It will be interesting to see how they draw his character, given there is so little material with which to work.)
Good point there Jeff. I suppose they didn't show him merely to make him more horrendous. Not even seeing him, just hearing terrible stuff about him, makes him even more menacing!
Sauron and Morgoth was far from the same morgoth wanted to destroy the world and Sauron wanted to rule it most people think morgoth was way more powerful than sauron Melkor yes was both when he became morgoth he had diminished much in power giving a bunch away to corrupt the world sauron put most of his power in the ring so I'd say for the most part sauron was more powerful than morgoth at his end or capture
@@jmgates09 Jamie, I couldn't quite understand what you were saying, which is excusable if English is not your first language; but your comment had nothing to do with the thoughts contained in my comment. Cheers fellow Tolkien nerd.
@@JeffRebornNow if you already have lots of problems with pj's lotr, I'm afraid there's a high chance you would have more of it with amazon's lotr lol
@@Dr._Atom I'll be OK with the Amazon adaptation because they have to invent it pretty much from scratch. With LOTR they didn't have to invent anything, they had to leave things out, lot of things (like The Scouring of the Shire). Where I got upset with Jackson was when he changed things thematically, like making Saruman into Sauron's puppet (which he certainly wasn't, he wanted the ring for himself).
Yeah, you are back :-) And the animations are sick!
Thanks Crafty :D
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Let me tease you a bit... your next video will be about a siege, but for which siege there is enough information to do a video about? I suspect it's the siege of Súthburg (later Helm's Deep). Or the siege of Angband? The siege of Minas Tirith (though you already did a video on the battle of the Pelennor Fields)?
We’re probably gonna see this duel in the Amazon Prime LOTR series. Heck, according to some of the on set images from the first film, Sauron was supposed to duel Elendil and Gil-Galad, and he was supposed to wield both his mace and a sword that was made for him. The duel itself was cut from the film.
What a great video. Way better than Peter Jackson's interpretation of the event, which shows Elendil as a weakened old man, and Gil-Galad completely absent from it.
Thank you!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT where is the animation from, a video game?
@@JerrBear1974 No. I thought the lotr RUclips universe lacked new art. So I hired artists and animators. I have lots of other stuff in store for the future!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT how awesome! Please send out many compliments to the artists and animators. I think it looks fantastic and can't wait for more content. Glad I have the bell notifications on!Keep up the great work!!!😁
@@JerrBear1974 I will :) Happy to hear that man!
I’ve come to deduce that Narsil pierced Sauron, “mortally” as it were; and similarly to the fate of Merry’s blessed Barrow Blade, the dark power wielded by Enemy degrades weapons which strike their person. I think this holds at least somewhat even for Narsil which had a much greater lineage & superior forging. In the first age Angrist broke after the second attempt to sever a 2nd spire off The Iron Crown, Even the greatest sword in the legendarium Gurthang broke after mortally impaling Glaurung
nice video, I believe saron came out to try to break the siege because anaron was hit by a bolder from bardor and killed seeing panic in the enemy lines, and i wouldnt say saron isnt a great fighter, he was a mia and even gandelf said that saron was the most dangerous thing in middle earth, and tokien wrote in a letter that if gandelf had taken the ring and bent it to his will and confronted saron that the battle would be a close one.
Great video
Thanks Mr. Varga!
Sacrifice of Elendil, Gil-galad...and Oropher's, and Anarion's. A lot was lost during the war for Elendil to screw up in the end and getting killed because he couldn't form a Dírnaith in time.
Great video as always!
Glad you enjoyed sanin!
It's an interesting question what would have happened if for example in the immediate aftermath of the fight, some servants of Sauron managed a last ditch attack and were able to take Sauron's body away before the One could be cut from his hand.
The Orcs would have fled in terror the moment he was defeated. The power that drove them on was vanquished. For now.
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I was thinking more along the lines of any Black Númenóreans or descendants thereof that might be in his service.
Damn, Noldorin High Kings always died horrifically
The LOTR film has done Gil-Galad a huge injustice.
It's hard to know the exact details of the final confrontation with Sauron by Gil-galad and Elendil. It happened over three thousand years before the events of the Lord of the Rings. As with all ancient events (even in our world) much passes into legend and myth. Details become obscured and and lost.
Poor Gil-Galad, that sounds painful
I wish we could have seen more of the fight on the movie
I believe that Gil - Galad have perished in consequence of the terribles burns that he received by the contact with Sauron' s hand.
Impressive!
Thanks :)
I wonder what they were saying to each other during the duel or if it was silent
Very good question!
They weren't trash talking. That's for sure.....
@@Enerdhil Sauron: I will make more rings for you if you stop now.
Elendil: Why don't you show the sincerity of your offer by handing out the trifle on your hand?
Sauron: The negotiations are closed.
"You fight like a cow."
Great topic 🔥
Amazing dude
Thanks 😁
Cutting off the ring finger can hardly called a 'death blow' (One Ring or not). Sauron could be killed in body, with or without the One Ring (his 'death' in Numenor shows this). Taking the One Ring merely prevented a quick return of the Dark Lord. This does not mean that it was not Elendil & Gil-galad that did the lion's share of the fighting though. Perhaps even mortally wounding or severely weakening Sauron. And Elendil's sword breaking underneath him may have more to do with Elendil being defeated than any special force applied to it, as there is precedent of 'magic' swords breaking is such situations when a beloved master falls. Sauron's last sortie was evidently intended to 'cut off the head' of the Alliance leadership, as without their mighty leaders, the Alliance could be expected to loose heart and possibly crumble. It made it all the way to the slopes of Mt. Doom, which is about twenty (or was that 40?) miles (iirc), which is quite a distance and must have been a massive undertaking.
Cool video!
Thanks :)
This was really cool :D
Thanks Khamûl!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I wanted to propose thee something, would you like to try out Silmarillion TW? It's a mod based on the events of the 1st age I could link you the discord server, you could use the mod to animate your videos :D
@@khamullordoftheeastelings390 I have checked it out, and will definitely use it for first age stuff in future. My artists has not yet begun on First Age stuff tho. But we will get there eventually!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT :D
Would of been good if Peter Jackson used gil galad and elendil more in the prologue even in a 30 second duel would of been enough to see them strike sauron down
I know that the ring had to go on but I have trouble believing that Cirdan and Elrond,seeing the ring for what it is, did not force Isildur to hand over the ring to be destroyed. jmho.
The thousand's thumb up. 👍
Hey what was the name of your old third age channel? I can’t seem to find it anymore did you delete that old channel?? I know it was avantarno something
Atanvarno :) Almost haha :)!
I enjoy your work 😉😉😉😉🙂
Thank you so much Herald :)
Brilliant!
Thanks!
I personally prefer when isildur cuts the ring from Sauron's hand at the las moment but that is just my opinion.
i love how you avoided using Peter Jackson aesthetic and instead made your own drawings and animations closer to tolkien`s norse original vision. amazing video!
They had to move 30 miles from Barad-dûr to Mount Doom?
why wasn't Sauron invisible, prior to the ring being cut from his hand? asking for a friend
i thought the movie did a good job of explaining how isildur cut the ring, given how little detail there are in the books.
wow.
I'm happy Tolkien got you to practice your English
I don't think Isildur killed Sauron. He was dead already.
True
WHY does Sauron have only 9 fingers in the Third Age? I just don't get that. Whatever body he has in the Third Age should be complete. Just doesn't make sense.
A lot of the reasoning behind that could be purely symbolic, a comment on the nature of evil, unable to will a form greater than what it had before. Sauron uses his will and power to recreate a shape, but it remains tarnished, and incomplete, carrying the wound he was dealt before. It would be one he wouldn't heal through his own will until the ring was returned to him. A reminder of his malicious will and intent.
On the other hand, it could be related to Tolkien's thoughts on those losing an incarnated form wishing to return as quickly as they can to that form. Sauron had been forced from that form and took a long time to will and desire its return. He gets that in the end, but it remains in some ways broken, with him unable to heal that wound through his own will. It leads me to suspect that if Morgoth could have returned to a physical form, he would have willed the one he lost at the end of the First Age, with incurable wounds he had once been dealt. A wound of the body tied to the wounding of the spirit. It seems Sauron (perhaps) could just not get over the wound that he was dealt which caused him to lose the ring.
Just my thoughts on it anyway!
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Is that Nenya?
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Peter Jackson portrayal of a fight between elendil, gilgalad and sauron, is the only bad and cringest thing in the movie. The scene was too straight up stupid.