Imagine if there was some type of browser add-on that prevented those pesky ads from popping up.. someone should really do something like that. An "ad-blocker" if you will. Or maybe for mobile users they could create some entirely new front end application that does the same thing and call it "Vanced".
Lol, RUclips premium man. If you don't like ads pony up. Hilarious that you blame a content creator for RUclips putting ads in their video. I haven't seen a single ad for like 9 years.
Hey everyone, I shot through IIIA body armor with the SS197SR ammo in our video "FN 57 (FiveSeven) review" Please watch it before claiming that the FiveSeven won't penetrate body armor. Do you really think I would say that if I hadn't tested it myself?
Another great and educational video Mr. Harrell, thank you for this. If only the ammo for the 57 was a bit cheaper I think it would make a great friendly competition gun. My buds and I shoot against each other for friendly competition and it's just much more cost effective to use my custom Glock 19. Thank you again for all the videos
I'm 4 years late to this party, but I just bought the 5.7. One of the features of this pistol that you didn't mention was the very light recoil. Making it a much more controllable firearm than say your .357 or .45, which greatly increases accuracy for double or more taps. I was very impressed with it at the range, and so was my partner. She said that it was a much more comfortable pistol to shoot than the Ruger P-89 that she uses. This video just answered any concerns about using it for my every day carry sidearm. Thank you Paul!
That's awesome that you got one. I'd been wanting one for years and finally caved a few months ago and picked up a Ruger 57, and I absolutely love the thing. It's so pleasant to shoot and I swear, you almost have to try to miss a target. I handload for everything I shoot, now including 5.7x28, and I verified safety and function of 40gr V-Max projectiles up to 2,040fps out of my Ruger. Paul mentioned in this video that the ammunition he used (40gr V-Max) was pretty much loaded towards the top end of the cartridge's capability at 1700fps. He didn't know at the time, FN's actually quite a bit conservative on their factory ammo. 40gr @ 1701fps = 257ft/lbs; 40gr @ 2040 = 370ft/lbs - *substantial difference* I ultimately settled on a powder charge which gives me an average of 1950fps, and tested it in 20% clear ballistics gel with excellent results. I have several other projectiles to try out as well and can't wait to see how they do... Hornady 35gr NTX, Berger 40gr FBV, Cutting Edge 32gr MTH, Cutting Edge 30gr Raptor, Lehigh 32gr CC Frac HPBT, and Barnes 36gr VG. Apologies for the unsolicited info, lol. It's always fun to talk about 5.7x28.
I agree with your assessment about recoil. Having partial paralysis in both hands, although I can shoot .45, .357, & 9mm, this round is the one for me. I bought a PSA Rock 5.7 pistol from Palmetto State Armory & and I can't believe how much easier and accurate it is for me to shoot. One size does not fit all!🙂
I work part time at a gun store, your videos are a great help in educating many customers. Both the “Operators” and “ the my buddy that knows all about guns and he said guy”. It’s hard to argue with your logical and empirical demonstrations. Thanks for the help and continuing education.
What people don't understand about high velocity small rounds is how they work, what they are doing is using a physics principle called supercavitation when the bullet hits the target at high speed there's a vacuum bubble behind the projectile that is ripping up your insides and as the projectile slows that bubble expands until it dissipates so you get the neat little holes in the ribs, and then as it slows the wound channel enlarges. The Five Seven is designed for liquid targets like the human body where it can take full advantage of supercavitation, unfortunately most people will look at the cinderblock test and say it underperforms without taking into account that test favors rounds with more mass.
Yes, you are correct. For close personal protection after a lot of tests we opted for 40g Vmax round out of 7.5" barrel in .223. The 40g provides effective lethality on soft targets, with minimal risk of collateral damage. Hornady TAP barrier 55g for barrier issues. it didn't make sense to go with the 5.7 applications pistol/carbine due to the platforms available as well as not having the flexibility to go with heavier barrier rounds if needed.I wish Paul would have done water jug tests in slow motion. You can really see the hydrostatic cavitation of the higher velocity rounds as opposed to something like a .45acp
Simply put, any 5.7 round under 1900 fps is under performing for the caliber which is capable of 2200+ fps. The best 5.7 rounds on the market market are at least 2000 fps.
I personally love the fn5.7 because it is the most comfortable hand gun I have ever held and I shot it better than any other handgun so it seems very practical for me
Excellent video! One more thing I would add is that as a “specialized” round, 5.7X28 with 28gr bullet is incredibly fast, almost twice as fast as regular 9mm Luger, and that quality also is very useful in particular scenarios, like shooting at very fast moving objects at the angle. And, on top of everything, the Five Seven pistol’s uniquely designed feeding system is incredibly robust and fail proof.
I am a Brit and I love these vids. Best gun vids on RUclips. Don't loose you gun rights guys or the only guns you will get to handle are BB guns. God bless American. At least someone one is free.
Well in the UK they want to ban knives now for the same reasons they want to ban guns in America. Removing a tool will only force people to use another tool in it's place. But instead of the mindset of providing legal citizens with defense options. Some government heads would prefer to provide all the defense choices to those who do commit crime, all in the name of safety. Because what to do they care they will find a way to get it. If you cannot defend yourself, you are or will be a victim. It's really that simple. Sadly governments think people should be defenseless in order to remain legal. Good thing criminals who murder, rape, and rob also follow the rules of legality...
@@geronimo5537 The only one reason i think is, that the people dont have the ability to stand up against the government if it would be needed. That the Government would have all the power and not the people.
We can’t let people be confused by the false arguments claiming that more gun control laws will make us and our children safer. How many mass shootings have there been in police stations or gun ranges? How many have there been at “gun free zones”? Their real goal is absolute control over the populations that they govern. Tyrants prefer a toothless society lest they end up on the wrong end of a firing squad. Thank God for Boris Johnson!! I will pray for England 🏴 as I pray for our United States 🇺🇸.
Great info and great video. As far at the 50 yard shots, I remember qualifying with 38 special ammo at 50 yards, it will work. I once won a bet shooting an 18 inch plate at 100 yards with my 1911 chambered in 45 ACP, hitting the plate 5 times with 7 shots. The guy who lost the bet said he didn't think a 45 ACP would travel that far, yes, it will. Guns will often shoot better than the person holding them. Again, great video, thanks.
I shocked the hell out of some people on the range by setting my 4" steel plate at 100 yards....then whipping out a .45 1911. ~5/8 hit, supported on a makeshift sandbag/rest. Of course id be 30/30 with my AR, but the pistol was just fun and it brought a smile. That very noticeable lag between shot and target feedback.
I really appreciate the amount of engagement Paul's videos have versus their views. Paul has built himself a sustainable and endeared fanbase and community. Favorite kind of RUclips channel.
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Hopefully, the new Remington will be higher quality, but some recent things like V3, verse max, and R1 are pretty good IMO. Also, newer Marlins appear to be good.
IMO, Ruger is perhaps the most innovative gun manufacturer while producing their products at a reasonable price. While Rugers might not be THE best of any type, when you have a budget, Rugers are hard to beat.
@@ukyo2010 The Ruger 57 isn't really innovative though if FN has had a 5.7 for 30 years. The Ruger is cool and affordable but i would not say innovative in this scenario.
"fair warning this is the boring part of the video" nah dude, there is no boring part of any of your videos. statistics + functional real word application + commentary = a great all round video!
I'm sure he's covered it before, but for anyone who doesn't know, the FN 5.7x28 cartridge was designed for exactly 2 guns: the five-seven and the P90, a select-fire, very light "assault rifle". The set were designed almost exclusively with military use in mind as sidearms for non combat-arms personnel. The main requirements were long range accuracy, light body armor penetration, interchangeable ammunition between the pistol an rifle, and light weight in general for personnel who would likely never be in combat. Also, double checking the number crunching: 5-7: 348J 45: 433J So yeah, the math was right despite my doing it in metric.
@@2ndAveScents He's probably trying to communicate more clearly to Americans. We generally don't use the twenty-four hour system unless in the military, so I'm thinking he used this designation to cover all bases.
@@AlastorTheNPDemon Nah, it's just a symptom of being up at 0007hrs and watching gun videos, when he really ought to be in bed already... I know exactly how he feels!! :-D
@@2ndAveScents Actually yes... The decimal point signifies use of the 12hr clock, or civvy time, meaning that 00.07pm would be 1207hrs or "7 minutes past midday? Damn, I'm late for lunch".
Paul, as always I love watching your productions. In my opinion you set yourself aside from the rest of us with how thoroughly you cover everything. It’s rare to find efficient shooting, great coverage and articulate information coming from an actual expert... (versus what we normally get from the other 100,000 Navy Seals our there.) So I want to say thank you! The CCC big time approves!
This was, by far, the most professional...easy to understand...informative...enlightening...and empowering video I've seen made on ANY handgun in the past year! Thank you!
Keep up the great presentations Paul from 1 VET to another. I love the real world demonstrations and how you speak in laymen's terms. I have relations that are clueless about guns, you put in such a way they can even understand the content. You are 1 of the best in this format.
I love these videos thanks so much for the constant quality. I don't know the local laws of your area and thus if this would even be possible but given your proficiency with hand guns I for one would seriously enjoy a presentation on hand guns with stocks and how they compare to hand gun caliber carbines. once again many thanks and such appreciation from way down here in NZ.
That is a great idea. Unfortunately it violates my local laws to put a stock on a pistol (although sometimes you get away with "arm braces") I may be able to do it with muzzle loading guns. They are often exempt from such rules.
Expensive gun, expensive ammo, niche weapon, don't need it, doesn't replace or do anything better than ANY of my many other handguns....... *YEP, I BOUGHT ONE ANY DAMN WAY .... AND THE 30RD EXTENDED MAG TO BOOT!!!*
Erick Garcia green tip? I’ve seen (and bought and shot) BLUE tip, hollow point and FMJ....but I’ve never seen green tips. Gonna have to look for those!
Thanks Paul. You are by far the most scientific firearm analyst that presents on youtube. The scientific objectivity presented by you, especially in your multi-situational analysis, is unmatched. It's phenomenal for a firearms novice that you examine effectiveness in multiple ways and especially for multiple situations and circumstances while most other firearms examiners on youtube presume a CERTAIN situation when analyzing the effectiveness of a firearm or type of ammo. I think you should start a firearms training school or the military should hire you for choosing effective firearms. I certainly thought from what I've previously read that the FN FiveseveN- and particularly it's ammo- was above and beyond other firearms, but due to your analysis I now understand that it doesn't warrant top marks for every circumstance. Thanks again, keep it up.
Sir... Tango Mike for the video... I am retired military (6years 11B/ 14 years 89D)... your no nonsense, reality based assessments are why I have recommended your evaluations to to those I respect and wish to enlighten. Keep up the good stuff... we appreciate your efforts...
No other channel has such comprehensive comparisons of ammo ballistics data. There are plenty of channels that use ballistic gel but I like the meat target. As always thanks for the great videos!
This review came at the right time. I was at the gun shop yesterday, looking for a handgun to shoot my 22 WMR ammo (I have about a thousand rounds), when the salesman asked if I had tried the FN 5.7. Sadly, I had not and I told him I was not familiar with that weapon. Now, I may be going back and looking at that FN ! Thank you, Paul!
I have and have carried a FN 57X28. I like the pistol and ammo. Just wish that there was a wider range of ammo. Again Paul is fair in all his videos. And I want to think him for his professionalism.
That...And the fact that Paul has "been there and done that". He is one of the most honest and unbiased reviewers on youtube-He ain't tryin to sell you anything, just tryin to inform.
I hope the Ruger 57 helps make 5.7x28 more common and less expensive. I also hope it helps bring similar ammo like 22TCM more interest. I didn't even know that caliber existed until I saw Paul's video on it but it seems like it could definitely have its uses, especially since it can share duty with 9mm in the same gun with only a barrel swap.
After LC9, PC Carbine and LCP II .22Lr this is another Ruger marketing dept. lumbersexuals' fail, IMHO. To make it clear: I am not a Ruger hater by any meaning and I like my 10/22 Takedown a lot. Moreover, from what I see, I really like the design of R57 itself. What I don’t get is the choice of caliber. Should Ruger make it in 7.62x25 Tokarev, I would traded all of my pistols just for a couple of those. Just compare 1600 fps of 40-gr 5.7x28 to 1600 fps of 85-gr 7.62x25 Tokarev and you will get my point. Too bad that Ruger failed again to deliver an innovative practical pistol, that can be appreciated by majority of US gunners, not only by wealthy hipsters or misinformed newbies who will be unsuccessfully trying to trade their "safe queens" R57 for G19 by the end of this year. In the videos below, both official Ruger representatives say “great for home defense” while in fact it is very poor choice for home/self defense. ruclips.net/video/l-Nyal0r36Q/видео.html&feature=emb_logo ruclips.net/video/g-qoLGCbj1E/видео.html&feature=emb_logo Let’s settle this once and for all, forget any and all bias reviews, advertisments, paid endorsements, and the ballistic gel tests where the 5.7 got it's butt kicked. Just look at the math. Since the .40, 10mm, 357 mag, and 45 are vastly more powerful lets just compare the 5.7 to the century old 9mm. Here are the stats on both of their hottest loads in pistol barrels. 4" for the 9mm and I'll even give the 5.7 the advantage of it's factory 4.8" barrel. Bullets for comparison are the top of the line S4M and the Buffalo Bore 115gr. Even though the guys in the five and seven forums say they are not getting the advertised 2600 fps we will give them the full benifit of the doubt and assume the advertising is accurate despite the fact that people have recorded 2400-2500fps in their crono. ------------------------5.7mm S4M----------9mm 115gr Energy----------------405ft/lbs------------500 ft/lbs-----Advantage 9mm Momentum----------10lbs--------------------23lbs-------Huge Advantage 9mm Frontal Area-.-------.0394-------------------.1007-------Huge Advantage 9mm Sectional Density---.08----------------------.130--------Large Advantage 9mm Now forget the ultra high performance hard to find ammo and lets focus on the stuff you can buy over the counter at any halfway respectable local gun shop. -------------------------SS195LF--------Carbon 115gr JHP Energy-----------------255ft/lbs---------466ft/lbs----Large Advantage 9mm Momentum----------- 7lbs---------------22lbs--------Huge advangage 9mm Frontal Area---------.0394--------------.1007--------Huge advantage 9mm Sectional density----.08----------------.130---------Large advantage 9mm By every measurement we know of the 9mm is superior to the soft tissue performance of the 5.7x28, I have asked on many occasions for the 5.7 junkies to explain to me what magic energy somehow makes it more deadly and nobody can explain it to me, I wounder why. Even the most hardcore 5.7 fan should understand why I am so skeptical of it's "advantages" over conventional handgun rounds. If you do the same comparison with the 40, 10mm, 357 Sig or any other modern handgun round the comparison get REAL bad for the 5.7x28. Once again, regarding all talks about Fort Hood shooting’s victims being killed with single 5.7x28 projectile. www.foxnews.com/us/soldier-who-charged-at-ft-hood-gunman-was-shot-12-times-before-dying So many these days base their beliefs on nothing but feelings. With all recent drive-by shootings, home invasions, etc., I value more and more the projectile's ability to penetrate at least 14" of a body tissue; or a glass, a car door, etc. - without significant loss of Ek = 1/2 mv2. So, unless it is $5 ea. of SS190 armor piercing rounds, otherwise commercial 5.7x28 ammo does not meet that criteria and even .22WMR from pistol barrel outperforms it. www.quotemaster.org/Ammo#&gid=1&pid=6 Therefore, without SS190, 5.7x28 is out of its element. 5.7x28 was designed to be a low-power, low-recoil round with penetration capabilities for body armor, a combination that can only work with penetrator rounds to punch those holes. Otherwise, it's mostly about novelty and perhaps wishing civilians could somehow get the good stuff and Ruger clearly exploits this.
The 27 grain Hollowpoint LF is a very effective round for self defense. If Paul read the report about the Ft. Hood shooting. He would learn on how effective the platform can be. The 5.7 x 28 has earned a solid reputation throughout the world in many shootings. For many who think this is a niche handgun. Nothing wrong with it's lightweight and good firepower.
Another great video Paul, sorry for delay in watching and giving this one a thumbs-up. I REALLY appreciate your calm, matter of a fact style and the Shatner-esk pauses as you describe them, really hardly noticeable.
For a noob like me this is an excellent demonstration of the principles and concepts behind caliber choice and design. Thank you for shedding light on the competitive arena of handgun manufacturers and enthusiasts.
Hi Paul, another great and diligent video. I was glad you brought up "energy foot-lbs", (Kinetic Energy) as this fundamental physics term is often not mentioned but is fundamental to ballistics. KE is proportional to bullet mass X velocity squared. As such, if you double the bullet mass at the same velocity, you double the KE. If you maintain the mass and double the velocity, then you quadruple the KE. Therefore, when comparing calibers with varying bullet mass and velocities, it's important to keep track of KE. :) But the ultimate measure of course is the Paul Harrell patented Meat Target!
That 40gr vmax seems to be an excellent varmint round. And I can say I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I don't fit into the niche for that firearm or caliber (unless I can also have the full auto P90). But I'm also not the type to say what someone needs, doesn't need, or should or should not have. Great presentation.
Well, that is exactly what the VMax is, the only difference between the ones loaded in 5.7x28mm and the ones available for reloaders (or in VMax loaded .223/5.56) is the blue polymer tip, which Hornady makes exclusively for FN.
Varmint?? all the soldiers killed in the FT.Hood killing in 2008 was killed with the blue tip 5.7 all shot center mass, and 3 of the soldiers tried to charge the kook and the 5.7 stopped them in their tracks.
I don't know what is more insulting in your comment. That you dismiss the VMax as being designed for varmint shooting (it's literally how hornady markets them www.hornady.com/bullets/v-max#!/ ), or the equivocation you make in bringing up the Ft. Hood shooting (which happened in 2009 btw, I remember that because I went there for mobilization training Feb 2010 and their metal detectors were cranked up so much that the foil my chewing gum was wrapped in was setting them off).
This touches on his vids about carrying, cabine and pistol in same caliber. I can tell you I'd much rather carry a 5.7 and p90 than 45-70 pistol. Especially since i have small hands and the big caliber pistols i have trouble getting proper grip on. Even my 40 cal double stack is almost too wide for my grip.
Not as awesome a gun as I had thought. BUT, as you noted it definitely has its advantages in certain applications. By all means a niche' gun. Thanks for that review.
i dunno, i like wheel guns, but it seems like you'll never run out of follow-up shots when target shooting. wonder how good/bad recoil is on that thing. since it's flat shooting, it would make for a great target pistol.
To me FN 5.7×28 is a modern take on 7.62×25 Tokarev. I don't quite see a lot of point in comparing 5.7×28 to .45 ACP but great informative presentation nevertheless :). Of course 5.7×28 is a compromise to give the shooter high capacity in a light and relatively compact package. Remember, P90 can have 50 rounds capacity and the whole package is still very concealable. I don't get this whole 1 shot stoppage concept. I'd rather have option for a lot of quick and accurate fallowing shots than to rely on one shot solving the problem.
Tomasz Zajac some would say that it is better for one shot to be effective enough, than to need to shoot again. Sometimes half a second is the only thing between a knife and your stomach. I still think an FN5.7 would work- I just might not use it as my every day carry.
This is always in my head. I wish I was a better shot, with a pistol, at defensible range, under stress, in order to always hit my target with 10+1. But frankly I'm not, so I'll happily sacrifice the 62 ft.lbs for 10 extra chances.
A 5.57 round is good against meat shots as its designed damage organs as it slows by supercavitation. But using it as a head shot round may less successful because of the density of bone in the skull. Any ideas?
Consider the amount of time you have to take your shots. Just because you have more rounds in the mag doesn’t mean you have more time, so when hitting once with a bullet you want this bullet to deal as much damage as possible
Paul Harrell, what a great channel! I definitely subscribed...Here's a little information I had to add for those who are curious...(1/2)Mass x Velocity^2 = Kinetic Energy. K.E. is transferred from the bullet as it impacts an object. The bullet's ability to transfer this energy into the object is what makes it effective. For instance if a bullet moving a set rate of speed were to penetrate your body and cleanly exit, the amount of energy transferred into your body and the amount of damage you would sustain would be much less than if a different bullet designed to expand or fragment moving at the same speed. Some people don't take this into consideration when assessing knock down power or the ability of a weapon. Another thing to consider is the aerodynamics of objects moving at super sonic speeds. When objects go past the sound barrier (super sonic) it creates intense pressure waves at the front and rear of the projectile, which is what we experience as sonic booms with fighter jets. These pressure waves increase the damage a bullet does. More importantly, the math is everything here. Look at the formula: (1/2)Mass x Velocity^2....Both Mass and Velocity are certainly directly related to the K.E. of the bullet, but their proportion is not equal. For each unit of mass added the energy would increase linearly. However for each unit of velocity added the energy increases exponentially. So from an engineering, manufacturing and efficiency standpoint light high velocity ammunition always rules supreme. This is the reason that the military went to smaller faster ammo like the 5.56....I still like shooting magnums though because it's fun :P
Exactly Paul, once again you get to the meat of the matter. :) Would I carry a FiveSeven as a personal carry gun? No. Would I, If I was soldiering in a standing army and actually got to select my pistol? Hell yea. Don't dismiss a firearm just because you don't understand its use case.
So, after watching most of Pual's videos, I've learned a few things: 1) there is no caliber of any weapon, I ever want going through my leather skin, or watermelon lungs, and I don't even have an old, or new and improved fleece bullet stop behind me ever. 2) I can take reasonable cover from old West guns, in a proper cabin. 3) I still don't have a car, nearly as cool as Paul's! 45 will blow out a blood supply, or a pumper, just like a 57, but the 57 verses 45 can be answered via M14 verses M16 argument, but none of them, are nearly as cool as an old T-bird or GTO!
Don't give these haters the time of day by mentioning their dumb gripes. Everyone has an opinion, I just happen to view things practical. Your presentation helps me make an informative decision based on the needs I have with pistols situations. Especially when deciding on ammunition choices. Thanks for making great videos.
Finally I found a gun channel where the person doing the video seems to put bias aside and realizes that there reasons for everything. Just because I might not like something doesn’t mean it’s “stupid” or “not practical”. Either way sir you found yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for your video!
@Fractured Hearts .22 WMR is a nice round, but I would not bet my life relying on a rimfire round with fragile case thickness. That's a couple of things that gives the 5.7x28mm an edge over the .22 WMR, reliable ignition and a strong cartridge case. Performance wise of the bullets, 5.7 might have a slight advantage, but not particularly much, especially if comparing 40gr .22 WMR to 40gr 5.7x28mm.
I've owned a Ruger Single-Six .22 revolver for nearly 50 years. I've put thousands of rounds through it, both target and hunting varmints. I actually cannot recall a single misfire .22 wmr. Nor have I ever seen a casing split. One advantage of the rim fire is that you don't reuse them. My reloading firends have had occasional problems with a casing splitting or simply expanding until jammed. I have had a few long-rifle misfires.
theeddorian you know I can't recall one ether.. Hell out of the millions of .22 rimfire I have had shot I have had maybe a 50-100 rounds not fire that was the round fault.
I'd love to have the 5.7×28 mm. I think it would serve as a backpackers or a bicyclist gun very well. Its lightweight and holds many rounds and the extra mags are light and would make it so u dont have to carry the '' box " of ammo just the loaded mags. Ore room and less weight. Sounds like a winner to me. I'm thinking of getting one soon.
I really liked the results on the meat target. The 5.7 did a satisfactory amount of damage to the "lungs" without hurting the bystanders. Add the advantages of low recoil, a flat trajectory, armor piercing capabilities depending on ammo, and high magazine capacity, and I'd say it's a great caliber for many self defense purposes
I agree. I like the 23+1 capacity of the PSA Rock and the longer range capability. If you carry a second magazine, we're talking about 47 shots, accurate past 50 yards, that can pierce armor. I think 5.7 is a great option.
It will still knock down the plates though. That is very pleasant (and fun) to shoot out of a 1911 Compact Model. I want a Commander size 1911, but the damn things have gotten insanely expensive! 😢
Most 45 ammo box labels are a little overly optimistic. 700-900fps is generally the range you're going to get out of a 45acp unless you're shooting 185s, which can sometimes hit 1000 or a bit over. (I know, I've done enough with 45acp...)
I'm sure it's a good round for self defense but there are FAR better rounds out there and I'd much prefer something with more mass to it like, 357 sig, 7.62x25, 9x25, or anything larger than 5.7x28 but with a solid steel round.
I shot a couple coyotes with an ar57, they mostly bit at the spot they got hit as if stung by a bee or they just ran off as if never hit.... Its a shit round.
@@gooddoggo2258 mostly lung shots, dont get me wrong they did die.... Its just that i had to get in my truck to run over to where they fell (sometimes 300-400 yards) or i had to drill em several times. Even 9mm ball drops a lowly coyote quite well, the 5.7 is the first round ive had issue with since i quit using rimfires.....
I'd recommend one of the Elite brand 5.7 loadings, assuming you try it to make sure it works in the gun. I think most of them will outperform factory FN or the American Eagle choices. They go faster, without the risk of hand loads.
Your local butcher, farmers market, rummage sale full of old clothes and Walmart soda department must all love seeing you coming. Keep up the great videos!
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Just unsubscribed,way to many stupid ads
Agreed. There are way TOO many ads. We've modified that on the newer presentations. It's also TOO bad you haven't noticed.
Imagine if there was some type of browser add-on that prevented those pesky ads from popping up.. someone should really do something like that. An "ad-blocker" if you will. Or maybe for mobile users they could create some entirely new front end application that does the same thing and call it "Vanced".
It's RUclips, genius! That's what they do.
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Lol, RUclips premium man. If you don't like ads pony up. Hilarious that you blame a content creator for RUclips putting ads in their video. I haven't seen a single ad for like 9 years.
Ive crunched the numbers and Pauls grocery bill is far more than his ammo bill.
Yep.
It all comes from The Incident with the watermelon. We do not speak of it, but as you can see, they got the worst part of that deal.
And his dog is sick to death of pork!
Simon Morris I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second.
@@simonmorris4226 , that's actually lead poisoning.
Hey everyone, I shot through IIIA body armor with the SS197SR ammo in our video "FN 57 (FiveSeven) review" Please watch it before claiming that the FiveSeven won't penetrate body armor. Do you really think I would say that if I hadn't tested it myself?
The same reason I don't do a lot of other computer stuff, because I don't know what an "effin pin" is.
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Hey Paul,
Will a .38 special shoot out of .357 semi auto pistols like Coonan and Desert Eagle ?
Another great and educational video Mr. Harrell, thank you for this. If only the ammo for the 57 was a bit cheaper I think it would make a great friendly competition gun. My buds and I shoot against each other for friendly competition and it's just much more cost effective to use my custom Glock 19. Thank you again for all the videos
I've seen that video, Mr. Harrell. Impressive penetration feat by the FiveSeven with just ballistic tip.
The only unbiased gun channel on youtube
He is biased. Paul doesn't suffer fools gladly
i also consider him to be a very dangerous man. (in a good way)
Military arms channel is unbiased also
Darrin Rentruc that’s a joke, right?
FiveseveN vs 22 TCM would have been nicer.
Well I don't think I'd like to get hit by a semi truck going 80mph anymore than a Ferrari going 150mph.
Careful friend that is dangerously close to common sense
It would be cooler for your obit to say Ferrari than mack truck.
Good point.
Exactly, Comrade.
@Thomas Daniels True bro but Macks are way to common
I'm 4 years late to this party, but I just bought the 5.7. One of the features of this pistol that you didn't mention was the very light recoil. Making it a much more controllable firearm than say your .357 or .45, which greatly increases accuracy for double or more taps. I was very impressed with it at the range, and so was my partner. She said that it was a much more comfortable pistol to shoot than the Ruger P-89 that she uses. This video just answered any concerns about using it for my every day carry sidearm. Thank you Paul!
That's awesome that you got one. I'd been wanting one for years and finally caved a few months ago and picked up a Ruger 57, and I absolutely love the thing. It's so pleasant to shoot and I swear, you almost have to try to miss a target.
I handload for everything I shoot, now including 5.7x28, and I verified safety and function of 40gr V-Max projectiles up to 2,040fps out of my Ruger. Paul mentioned in this video that the ammunition he used (40gr V-Max) was pretty much loaded towards the top end of the cartridge's capability at 1700fps. He didn't know at the time, FN's actually quite a bit conservative on their factory ammo. 40gr @ 1701fps = 257ft/lbs; 40gr @ 2040 = 370ft/lbs - *substantial difference*
I ultimately settled on a powder charge which gives me an average of 1950fps, and tested it in 20% clear ballistics gel with excellent results. I have several other projectiles to try out as well and can't wait to see how they do... Hornady 35gr NTX, Berger 40gr FBV, Cutting Edge 32gr MTH, Cutting Edge 30gr Raptor, Lehigh 32gr CC Frac HPBT, and Barnes 36gr VG.
Apologies for the unsolicited info, lol. It's always fun to talk about 5.7x28.
Bro he has other older videos going on about the topic, he didn't mentioned here cause it was obvious from previous videos.
I agree with your assessment about recoil. Having partial paralysis in both hands, although I can shoot .45, .357, & 9mm, this round is the one for me. I bought a PSA Rock 5.7 pistol from Palmetto State Armory & and I can't believe how much easier and accurate it is for me to shoot. One size does not fit all!🙂
@@whiplash636 I am wanting to get some reloading dies for the 5.7 cartridge, what powder do you recommend for reloading with this cartridge?
@@DIYDad1 I use True Blue, but I've heard of some others working as well
I work part time at a gun store, your videos are a great help in educating many customers. Both the “Operators” and “ the my buddy that knows all about guns and he said guy”. It’s hard to argue with your logical and empirical demonstrations. Thanks for the help and continuing education.
Excellent. I'm glad you're getting some use out of them.
@@PaulHarrell you’re a legend Paul
What people don't understand about high velocity small rounds is how they work, what they are doing is using a physics principle called supercavitation when the bullet hits the target at high speed there's a vacuum bubble behind the projectile that is ripping up your insides and as the projectile slows that bubble expands until it dissipates so you get the neat little holes in the ribs, and then as it slows the wound channel enlarges. The Five Seven is designed for liquid targets like the human body where it can take full advantage of supercavitation, unfortunately most people will look at the cinderblock test and say it underperforms without taking into account that test favors rounds with more mass.
That is exactly correct.
Definitely a badass piece.
also, like a 5.56 out of an AR platform, those rounds tumble and bounce around chewing up ur insides.
Yes, you are correct. For close personal protection after a lot of tests we opted for 40g Vmax round out of 7.5" barrel in .223. The 40g provides effective lethality on soft targets, with minimal risk of collateral damage. Hornady TAP barrier 55g for barrier issues. it didn't make sense to go with the 5.7 applications pistol/carbine due to the platforms available as well as not having the flexibility to go with heavier barrier rounds if needed.I wish Paul would have done water jug tests in slow motion. You can really see the hydrostatic cavitation of the higher velocity rounds as opposed to something like a .45acp
Simply put, any 5.7 round under 1900 fps is under performing for the caliber which is capable of 2200+ fps. The best 5.7 rounds on the market market are at least 2000 fps.
I'm in the "I'll Probably Never Need To Do That, But I'd Like To Be Able To" squad
I appreciate how informative and professional your videos are. The occasional dry humor is a nice touch also. Thank you
I know it's a 5 year old video. I just got interested in firearms last year. I really enjoyed the educational component and presentation thank you
"it's just a flesh wound!" Ah Monty Python. Thanks for another great video.
FiveseveN vs 22 TCM would have been nicer.
"Bring out your dead, bring out your dead"
I Know... "I've had worse" in a vaguely Scottish accent.
You’re a looney
Flesh wounds are a doddle! Come back here and fight like a man!
great info as always
crossover vid would be cool
FiveseveN vs 22 TCM would have been nicer.
@@weme06 I second that
Mrgunsngear Channel when can we expect your FN five seven review?
Agreeed
5.7 velocities sound like dates I was supposed to memorize in history class
1664 is also a beer by French brewer Kronenbourg.
Put it through a 10" PS90 barrel and you will be talking about the future.
6:24 Paul is a straight driving nails right here.. 10 shots in the same spot wooow
He was a marksmanship instructor after all
P L that may be true but for the sake of this test it was the worst thing he could possibly do...
I personally love the fn5.7 because it is the most comfortable hand gun I have ever held and I shot it better than any other handgun so it seems very practical for me
And don’t forget you have almost twice the ammo per magazine
You be the judge.
The part at the end where he says "some people fit that niche." I'm one of those people that fit every niche gun market.
Excellent video! One more thing I would add is that as a “specialized” round, 5.7X28 with 28gr bullet is incredibly fast, almost twice as fast as regular 9mm Luger, and that quality also is very useful in particular scenarios, like shooting at very fast moving objects at the angle. And, on top of everything, the Five Seven pistol’s uniquely designed feeding system is incredibly robust and fail proof.
I am a Brit and I love these vids. Best gun vids on RUclips. Don't loose you gun rights guys or the only guns you will get to handle are BB guns. God bless American. At least someone one is free.
Well in the UK they want to ban knives now for the same reasons they want to ban guns in America. Removing a tool will only force people to use another tool in it's place. But instead of the mindset of providing legal citizens with defense options. Some government heads would prefer to provide all the defense choices to those who do commit crime, all in the name of safety. Because what to do they care they will find a way to get it. If you cannot defend yourself, you are or will be a victim. It's really that simple. Sadly governments think people should be defenseless in order to remain legal. Good thing criminals who murder, rape, and rob also follow the rules of legality...
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@@geronimo5537 The only one reason i think is, that the people dont have the ability to stand up against the government if it would be needed.
That the Government would have all the power and not the people.
Somarik Green but you have to leave your guns locked up at the club. Your not allowed to bring them home except maybe a shotgun.
We can’t let people be confused by the false arguments claiming that more gun control laws will make us and our children safer. How many mass shootings have there been in police stations or gun ranges? How many have there been at “gun free zones”? Their real goal is absolute control over the populations that they govern. Tyrants prefer a toothless society lest they end up on the wrong end of a firing squad. Thank God for Boris Johnson!! I will pray for England 🏴 as I pray for our United States 🇺🇸.
Great info and great video. As far at the 50 yard shots, I remember qualifying with 38 special ammo at 50 yards, it will work. I once won a bet shooting an 18 inch plate at 100 yards with my 1911 chambered in 45 ACP, hitting the plate 5 times with 7 shots. The guy who lost the bet said he didn't think a 45 ACP would travel that far, yes, it will. Guns will often shoot better than the person holding them.
Again, great video, thanks.
I shocked the hell out of some people on the range by setting my 4" steel plate at 100 yards....then whipping out a .45 1911. ~5/8 hit, supported on a makeshift sandbag/rest.
Of course id be 30/30 with my AR, but the pistol was just fun and it brought a smile. That very noticeable lag between shot and target feedback.
I remember doing that and sighting it in like atillery. Amazing how you can watch it go down range.
I've blown up water jugs at 150 and 200 yds with std 45 acp 230 gr RN , no problem
I love your videos. No bull, no filler. You speak professionally and get to the point and I can respect that.
I really appreciate the amount of engagement Paul's videos have versus their views.
Paul has built himself a sustainable and endeared fanbase and community.
Favorite kind of RUclips channel.
Paul Harrell could do an orthopedic shoe comparison and I'd still watch it. Great video as always, sir. Thank you for your hard work.
'This one fits my foot better.'
"Which one works for you? You be the judge."
"I shoot this brand shoe better."
"I'm in the shoe shop so please bear with any bunions you see in the background."
"Now I understand that high heels aren't for everyone. I'm not a fan myself but obviously they're the right footwear for certain people in certain situations. Several viewers have asked me to compare various insole offerings that claim to reduce fatigue when wearing high heels for long periods of time. I'm currently wearing Dr. Scholls Stylish Step™ High Heel Relief cushioned gel insoles in size thirteen and a half pumps with a heel height of four inches..."
Last time I was this early Remington was a quality company.
It hurts me to my core that Remington is fucked
👍LOL
@@nuclearjanitors while I understand and even feel a bit of the same, you have to admit that the OP is savage, and kinda funny too
@@msihcs8171 meh it wasn't quite that savage
Hopefully, the new Remington will be higher quality, but some recent things like V3, verse max, and R1 are pretty good IMO. Also, newer Marlins appear to be good.
Ruger just made this a lot more interesting.
if they could get a 50 grain bullet at 2k feet per second id get one.
came here to say this, also the big ammo guys are ALL making new rounds.
IMO, Ruger is perhaps the most innovative gun manufacturer while producing their products at a reasonable price. While Rugers might not be THE best of any type, when you have a budget, Rugers are hard to beat.
@@ukyo2010 The Ruger 57 isn't really innovative though if FN has had a 5.7 for 30 years. The Ruger is cool and affordable but i would not say innovative in this scenario.
Jerm has
"fair warning this is the boring part of the video"
nah dude, there is no boring part of any of your videos. statistics + functional real word application + commentary = a great all round video!
I'm sure he's covered it before, but for anyone who doesn't know, the FN 5.7x28 cartridge was designed for exactly 2 guns: the five-seven and the P90, a select-fire, very light "assault rifle". The set were designed almost exclusively with military use in mind as sidearms for non combat-arms personnel. The main requirements were long range accuracy, light body armor penetration, interchangeable ammunition between the pistol an rifle, and light weight in general for personnel who would likely never be in combat.
Also, double checking the number crunching:
5-7: 348J
45: 433J
So yeah, the math was right despite my doing it in metric.
It’s 00.07 am in the UK , and I was off to bed , then the legend post’s a new video, oh well I can sleep when I die.
Is it ever 00.07 pm in the UK?
@@2ndAveScents He's probably trying to communicate more clearly to Americans. We generally don't use the twenty-four hour system unless in the military, so I'm thinking he used this designation to cover all bases.
@@AlastorTheNPDemon Nah, it's just a symptom of being up at 0007hrs and watching gun videos, when he really ought to be in bed already... I know exactly how he feels!! :-D
@@2ndAveScents Actually yes... The decimal point signifies use of the 12hr clock, or civvy time, meaning that 00.07pm would be 1207hrs or "7 minutes past midday? Damn, I'm late for lunch".
@Bosingr A true 007 fan would have a Beretta 418, skeleton stock, in a chamois leather holster... 😜
"Hey baby, what you say you come back to my range and I take some shots at your meat target?"
"I'm calling the police."
Too late. He already buried her under his porch with the rest of his victims.
What if it was vice versa and she shot your meat.... ooh wait to late she already had a boating accident
Paul, as always I love watching your productions. In my opinion you set yourself aside from the rest of us with how thoroughly you cover everything. It’s rare to find efficient shooting, great coverage and articulate information coming from an actual expert... (versus what we normally get from the other 100,000 Navy Seals our there.)
So I want to say thank you! The CCC big time approves!
"You'd never really do that Battalion" - I love it. Great video Paul!
BEST ... RUclips ... FIREARM CHANNEL ... EVER!!! Congrats on 200k subs!
“Just as powerful!” with the arm swing. Gets me every time.
Dude you are so under rated. Once again I really appreciate you taking the time out to make a video look forward to the next one
Thank you
This is the most thorough channel about firearms that I've seen. Great work, I really appreciate all of the detailed info.
This was, by far, the most professional...easy to understand...informative...enlightening...and empowering video I've seen made on ANY handgun in the past year!
Thank you!
Nothing beats opening RUclips and seeing that there is a new Paul Harrell video!
If you like learning about guns and ammo, this might be the channel for you.
you be the judge
Dropped everything for Paul! 😃
Keep up the great presentations Paul from 1 VET to another. I love the real world demonstrations and how you speak in laymen's terms. I have relations that are clueless about guns, you put in such a way they can even understand the content. You are 1 of the best in this format.
I gotta say I love the scientific/practical evaluations. Thanks Paul - that helps immensely.
Paul rocks! The most knowledgeable person on youtube regarding firearms.
I love these videos thanks so much for the constant quality. I don't know the local laws of your area and thus if this would even be possible but given your proficiency with hand guns I for one would seriously enjoy a presentation on hand guns with stocks and how they compare to hand gun caliber carbines. once again many thanks and such appreciation from way down here in NZ.
That is a great idea. Unfortunately it violates my local laws to put a stock on a pistol (although sometimes you get away with "arm braces") I may be able to do it with muzzle loading guns. They are often exempt from such rules.
Nice. I like the comparison of extremes. Another fast but small grain bullet of interest to compare is the 22TCM. Well done as usual.
The 22TCM is no joke has better ballistics than the 5,7 and I own both 3 TCM and one 5.7 love them both.
I've always liked the 22TCM even before Amscor offered it. But after have both. I dropped the 5.7 in favor of the 22 TCM
The fireball on those 22tcm is awesome.
InSight Freedom Turner Classic Movies.
I'm not convinced those bystanders were all that innocent. They look a little questionable to me.
Great ending! I have ALWAYS wanted to know how the Five Seven is like. Thank you for posting!!
Really well done video (as usual). Best gun channel by far!
Thank you, Paul, for all the work you do for the shooting sports community.
Expensive gun, expensive ammo, niche weapon, don't need it, doesn't replace or do anything better than ANY of my many other handguns....... *YEP, I BOUGHT ONE ANY DAMN WAY .... AND THE 30RD EXTENDED MAG TO BOOT!!!*
69CamaroSS407 palmetto state armory runs specials on the ammo very regularly.
Me too and bought a case of the green tip ammo for when I make trips near the border in South Texas.
Erick Garcia green tip? I’ve seen (and bought and shot) BLUE tip, hollow point and FMJ....but I’ve never seen green tips. Gonna have to look for those!
@@69CamaroSS He's confused...
Better to have than not have
Thanks Paul. You are by far the most scientific firearm analyst that presents on youtube. The scientific objectivity presented by you, especially in your multi-situational analysis, is unmatched. It's phenomenal for a firearms novice that you examine effectiveness in multiple ways and especially for multiple situations and circumstances while most other firearms examiners on youtube presume a CERTAIN situation when analyzing the effectiveness of a firearm or type of ammo. I think you should start a firearms training school or the military should hire you for choosing effective firearms.
I certainly thought from what I've previously read that the FN FiveseveN- and particularly it's ammo- was above and beyond other firearms, but due to your analysis I now understand that it doesn't warrant top marks for every circumstance. Thanks again, keep it up.
Sir... Tango Mike for the video... I am retired military (6years 11B/ 14 years 89D)... your no nonsense, reality based assessments are why I have recommended your evaluations to to those I respect and wish to enlighten. Keep up the good stuff... we appreciate your efforts...
Invoices can wait. Paul Harrell has uploaded.
No other channel has such comprehensive comparisons of ammo ballistics data. There are plenty of channels that use ballistic gel but I like the meat target. As always thanks for the great videos!
Thanks. Yesterday I filmed FN FiveSeven vs Kel-Tec PMR-30 vs. the meat target. Should be on line in a week or two.
“Just a flesh wound” classic reference!
Just found the channel and I'm really impressed! Very well done! Love the presentation, extremely professional.
I freaking love the meat target and thats the first practical demonstration of the 5.7 Ive seen. 👍
Thank you.😊
This review came at the right time. I was at the gun shop yesterday, looking for a handgun to shoot my 22 WMR ammo (I have about a thousand rounds), when the salesman asked if I had
tried the FN 5.7. Sadly, I had not and I told him I was not familiar with that weapon. Now, I may be going back and looking at that FN ! Thank you, Paul!
I have and have carried a FN 57X28. I like the pistol and ammo. Just wish that there was a wider range of ammo. Again Paul is fair in all his videos. And I want to think him for his professionalism.
I wonder how many people are watching this video as a result of the new ruger 57? I'm one of them...
That...And the fact that Paul has "been there and done that". He is one of the most honest and unbiased reviewers on youtube-He ain't tryin to sell you anything, just tryin to inform.
I watched the video when it was published, and again today because of the ruger 57 :)
I hope the Ruger 57 helps make 5.7x28 more common and less expensive. I also hope it helps bring similar ammo like 22TCM more interest. I didn't even know that caliber existed until I saw Paul's video on it but it seems like it could definitely have its uses, especially since it can share duty with 9mm in the same gun with only a barrel swap.
I've watched this before, I'll still pick the fn over ruger
After LC9, PC Carbine and LCP II .22Lr this is another Ruger marketing dept. lumbersexuals' fail, IMHO.
To make it clear: I am not a Ruger hater by any meaning and I like my 10/22 Takedown a lot. Moreover, from what I see, I really like the design of R57 itself.
What I don’t get is the choice of caliber. Should Ruger make it in 7.62x25 Tokarev, I would traded all of my pistols just for a couple of those.
Just compare 1600 fps of 40-gr 5.7x28 to 1600 fps of 85-gr 7.62x25 Tokarev and you will get my point.
Too bad that Ruger failed again to deliver an innovative practical pistol, that can be appreciated by majority of US gunners, not only by wealthy hipsters or misinformed newbies who will be unsuccessfully trying to trade their "safe queens" R57 for G19 by the end of this year.
In the videos below, both official Ruger representatives say “great for home defense” while in fact it is very poor choice for home/self defense.
ruclips.net/video/l-Nyal0r36Q/видео.html&feature=emb_logo
ruclips.net/video/g-qoLGCbj1E/видео.html&feature=emb_logo
Let’s settle this once and for all, forget any and all bias reviews, advertisments, paid endorsements, and the ballistic gel tests where the 5.7 got it's butt kicked. Just look at the math. Since the .40, 10mm, 357 mag, and 45 are vastly more powerful lets just compare the 5.7 to the century old 9mm.
Here are the stats on both of their hottest loads in pistol barrels. 4" for the 9mm and I'll even give the 5.7 the advantage of it's factory 4.8" barrel. Bullets for comparison are the top of the line S4M and the Buffalo Bore 115gr. Even though the guys in the five and seven forums say they are not getting the advertised 2600 fps we will give them the full benifit of the doubt and assume the advertising is accurate despite the fact that people have recorded 2400-2500fps in their crono.
------------------------5.7mm S4M----------9mm 115gr
Energy----------------405ft/lbs------------500 ft/lbs-----Advantage 9mm
Momentum----------10lbs--------------------23lbs-------Huge Advantage 9mm
Frontal Area-.-------.0394-------------------.1007-------Huge Advantage 9mm
Sectional Density---.08----------------------.130--------Large Advantage 9mm
Now forget the ultra high performance hard to find ammo and lets focus on the stuff you can buy over the counter at any halfway respectable local gun shop.
-------------------------SS195LF--------Carbon 115gr JHP
Energy-----------------255ft/lbs---------466ft/lbs----Large Advantage 9mm
Momentum----------- 7lbs---------------22lbs--------Huge advangage 9mm
Frontal Area---------.0394--------------.1007--------Huge advantage 9mm
Sectional density----.08----------------.130---------Large advantage 9mm
By every measurement we know of the 9mm is superior to the soft tissue performance of the 5.7x28, I have asked on many occasions for the 5.7 junkies to explain to me what magic energy somehow makes it more deadly and nobody can explain it to me, I wounder why. Even the most hardcore 5.7 fan should understand why I am so skeptical of it's "advantages" over conventional handgun rounds. If you do the same comparison with the 40, 10mm, 357 Sig or any other modern handgun round the comparison get REAL bad for the 5.7x28.
Once again, regarding all talks about Fort Hood shooting’s victims being killed with single 5.7x28 projectile.
www.foxnews.com/us/soldier-who-charged-at-ft-hood-gunman-was-shot-12-times-before-dying
So many these days base their beliefs on nothing but feelings.
With all recent drive-by shootings, home invasions, etc., I value more and more the projectile's ability to penetrate at least 14" of a body tissue; or a glass, a car door, etc. - without significant loss of Ek = 1/2 mv2. So, unless it is $5 ea. of SS190 armor piercing rounds, otherwise commercial 5.7x28 ammo does not meet that criteria and even .22WMR from pistol barrel outperforms it.
www.quotemaster.org/Ammo#&gid=1&pid=6
Therefore, without SS190, 5.7x28 is out of its element. 5.7x28 was designed to be a low-power, low-recoil round with penetration capabilities for body armor, a combination that can only work with penetrator rounds to punch those holes. Otherwise, it's mostly about novelty and perhaps wishing civilians could somehow get the good stuff and Ruger clearly exploits this.
The 27 grain Hollowpoint LF is a very effective round for self defense. If Paul read the report about the Ft. Hood shooting. He would learn on how effective the platform can be. The 5.7 x 28 has earned a solid reputation throughout the world in many shootings. For many who think this is a niche handgun. Nothing wrong with it's lightweight and good firepower.
Another great video Paul, sorry for delay in watching and giving this one a thumbs-up. I REALLY appreciate your calm, matter of a fact style and the Shatner-esk pauses as you describe them, really hardly noticeable.
For a noob like me this is an excellent demonstration of the principles and concepts behind caliber choice and design. Thank you for shedding light on the competitive arena of handgun manufacturers and enthusiasts.
I would like to see a 22 tcm.
I agree. I also would like to see a 22 tcm vs. FN 5.7 vs. 22 magnum meat target comparison.
Justice405
and also in comparison against 9mm, 40 s & w, 357 and 45acp
In for 22tcm. DO IT PAUL.
Me too. It's an interesting little cartridge.
I'd also love to see some tests and comparisons of .22TCM
Just as i was about to shut down my browser, Paul slapped my mouse hand. Thanks Paul!
200k subs.
Congratulations Paul.
Classic Paul. ❤❤❤ Thanks for everything. I'm looking forward to continuing adventures with Roy.
Hi Paul, another great and diligent video. I was glad you brought up "energy foot-lbs", (Kinetic Energy) as this fundamental physics term is often not mentioned but is fundamental to ballistics. KE is proportional to bullet mass X velocity squared. As such, if you double the bullet mass at the same velocity, you double the KE. If you maintain the mass and double the velocity, then you quadruple the KE. Therefore, when comparing calibers with varying bullet mass and velocities, it's important to keep track of KE. :) But the ultimate measure of course is the Paul Harrell patented Meat Target!
That 40gr vmax seems to be an excellent varmint round. And I can say I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I don't fit into the niche for that firearm or caliber (unless I can also have the full auto P90). But I'm also not the type to say what someone needs, doesn't need, or should or should not have. Great presentation.
Well, that is exactly what the VMax is, the only difference between the ones loaded in 5.7x28mm and the ones available for reloaders (or in VMax loaded .223/5.56) is the blue polymer tip, which Hornady makes exclusively for FN.
Varmint?? all the soldiers killed in the FT.Hood killing in 2008 was killed with the blue tip 5.7 all shot center mass, and 3 of the soldiers tried to charge the kook and the 5.7 stopped them in their tracks.
I don't know what is more insulting in your comment. That you dismiss the VMax as being designed for varmint shooting (it's literally how hornady markets them www.hornady.com/bullets/v-max#!/ ), or the equivocation you make in bringing up the Ft. Hood shooting (which happened in 2009 btw, I remember that because I went there for mobilization training Feb 2010 and their metal detectors were cranked up so much that the foil my chewing gum was wrapped in was setting them off).
This touches on his vids about carrying, cabine and pistol in same caliber. I can tell you I'd much rather carry a 5.7 and p90 than 45-70 pistol. Especially since i have small hands and the big caliber pistols i have trouble getting proper grip on. Even my 40 cal double stack is almost too wide for my grip.
Larry Baker You do realize the V in VMax stands for varmint, yes?
Not as awesome a gun as I had thought. BUT, as you noted it definitely has its advantages in certain applications. By all means a niche' gun. Thanks for that review.
i dunno those ballistic tips seemed pretty neato, if i made six figures i'd get one.
Same here. Also didn't know it's 19oz loaded (20 rounds mind you). Insane!
The 5.7mm ammo does better out of the longer barrel of the P90.
i dunno, i like wheel guns, but it seems like you'll never run out of follow-up shots when target shooting. wonder how good/bad recoil is on that thing. since it's flat shooting, it would make for a great target pistol.
The 7.62 x 25 is a better choice if it's speed and energy you want.
Congrats on hitting 200k subs!
I just got the FN 5.7, I am so happy with 20 rounds in one magazine. Nice review.
Paul, i like your consistency, honesty, experience, entertainment factor, pertinent information, and your sarcasm .
I wouldn't mind having one... Don't really need it... But when has that stopped me?
Mr. Harrell, I just wanted to say congratulations on breaking 200k subscribers.
As of Feb 7, 2020 congrats on 400k subs!
To me FN 5.7×28 is a modern take on 7.62×25 Tokarev. I don't quite see a lot of point in comparing 5.7×28 to .45 ACP but great informative presentation nevertheless :). Of course 5.7×28 is a compromise to give the shooter high capacity in a light and relatively compact package. Remember, P90 can have 50 rounds capacity and the whole package is still very concealable. I don't get this whole 1 shot stoppage concept. I'd rather have option for a lot of quick and accurate fallowing shots than to rely on one shot solving the problem.
Tomasz Zajac some would say that it is better for one shot to be effective enough, than to need to shoot again. Sometimes half a second is the only thing between a knife and your stomach. I still think an FN5.7 would work- I just might not use it as my every day carry.
This is always in my head. I wish I was a better shot, with a pistol, at defensible range, under stress, in order to always hit my target with 10+1. But frankly I'm not, so I'll happily sacrifice the 62 ft.lbs for 10 extra chances.
I would rather the 7.62×25 to be honest.
A 5.57 round is good against meat shots as its designed damage organs as it slows by supercavitation. But using it as a head shot round may less successful because of the density of bone in the skull. Any ideas?
Consider the amount of time you have to take your shots. Just because you have more rounds in the mag doesn’t mean you have more time, so when hitting once with a bullet you want this bullet to deal as much damage as possible
Idk how much thought you give what your about to say but I love your measured seemingly thought out delivery. I could listen to u talk guns all day.
Paul Harrell, what a great channel! I definitely subscribed...Here's a little information I had to add for those who are curious...(1/2)Mass x Velocity^2 = Kinetic Energy. K.E. is transferred from the bullet as it impacts an object. The bullet's ability to transfer this energy into the object is what makes it effective. For instance if a bullet moving a set rate of speed were to penetrate your body and cleanly exit, the amount of energy transferred into your body and the amount of damage you would sustain would be much less than if a different bullet designed to expand or fragment moving at the same speed. Some people don't take this into consideration when assessing knock down power or the ability of a weapon. Another thing to consider is the aerodynamics of objects moving at super sonic speeds. When objects go past the sound barrier (super sonic) it creates intense pressure waves at the front and rear of the projectile, which is what we experience as sonic booms with fighter jets. These pressure waves increase the damage a bullet does.
More importantly, the math is everything here. Look at the formula: (1/2)Mass x Velocity^2....Both Mass and Velocity are certainly directly related to the K.E. of the bullet, but their proportion is not equal. For each unit of mass added the energy would increase linearly. However for each unit of velocity added the energy increases exponentially. So from an engineering, manufacturing and efficiency standpoint light high velocity ammunition always rules supreme. This is the reason that the military went to smaller faster ammo like the 5.56....I still like shooting magnums though because it's fun :P
When I was at Fort Riley you could get this bad boy "free" when you purchased a SCAR rifle as part of a promotion at the main Px.
Whaaaat, thats badass! Fort riley is the only reason I exist haha. I live 20 minutes from there!
I was HHC 2BDE in '92/93. I drove for the 'Ol Man (Col Metz), good times!!
You had me at MEAT TARGET!
...and if you like that, boy there's tons more of it here for you. :)
Hey Paul, I know it may be a long shot but is there a chance we could get a test with the meat target for the Desert Eagle chambered in 50AE?
.50 AE doesn't hit the meat target, it erases it.
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Yes please ! 👍🏻
50AE vs. 500 Mag on the meat targets!!!
@@AllanG1914 That's a great idea!
I do love hearing someone taking about my home state Wyoming, and very informative video.
Consistently the best “gun tuber” on the internet. Excellent video.
Exactly Paul, once again you get to the meat of the matter. :) Would I carry a FiveSeven as a personal carry gun? No. Would I, If I was soldiering in a standing army and actually got to select my pistol? Hell yea. Don't dismiss a firearm just because you don't understand its use case.
Oxide tested it against Soviet paratrooper armor (what the platform was designed for) and it's pretty bad
@@marblemarble7113 Still better than a 9mm, though i'd be cool to see the test.
@@leester9487 eh it didn't penetrate the armor soooo, I'll try and find it for you though just give me a minute
@@leester9487 here ya go
ruclips.net/video/MbPT9z_RzYA/видео.html
@@marblemarble7113 I found it. it was really interesting. I thought the MP7 would do a better job than it did.
So, after watching most of Pual's videos, I've learned a few things: 1) there is no caliber of any weapon, I ever want going through my leather skin, or watermelon lungs, and I don't even have an old, or new and improved fleece bullet stop behind me ever. 2) I can take reasonable cover from old West guns, in a proper cabin. 3) I still don't have a car, nearly as cool as Paul's!
45 will blow out a blood supply, or a pumper, just like a 57, but the 57 verses 45 can be answered via M14 verses M16 argument, but none of them, are nearly as cool as an old T-bird or GTO!
No joke, when he rolled up in the roadrunner I was thinking to myself it couldn't get any cooler than that
just wear the fleece in the front
It’s also just a really fun handgun. Ammo prices have gone down for it, and it’s a really light recoiling gun.
Don't give these haters the time of day by mentioning their dumb gripes.
Everyone has an opinion, I just happen to view things practical. Your presentation helps me make an informative decision based on the needs I have with pistols situations. Especially when deciding on ammunition choices.
Thanks for making great videos.
Finally I found a gun channel where the person doing the video seems to put bias aside and realizes that there reasons for everything. Just because I might not like something doesn’t mean it’s “stupid” or “not practical”. Either way sir you found yourself a new subscriber. Thank you for your video!
Face it Paul, you just make too much sense for the majority of RUclips. 😉
"It's just a flesh wound" Lmao. I think that was a Monty Python reference.
How do you think 5.7 compares to 7.62 tokarev? It has a similar velocity yet heavier projectile.
What about the .22 magnum?
@Fractured Hearts
.22 WMR is a nice round, but I would not bet my life relying on a rimfire round with fragile case thickness. That's a couple of things that gives the 5.7x28mm an edge over the .22 WMR, reliable ignition and a strong cartridge case. Performance wise of the bullets, 5.7 might have a slight advantage, but not particularly much, especially if comparing 40gr .22 WMR to 40gr 5.7x28mm.
I've owned a Ruger Single-Six .22 revolver for nearly 50 years. I've put thousands of rounds through it, both target and hunting varmints. I actually cannot recall a single misfire .22 wmr. Nor have I ever seen a casing split.
One advantage of the rim fire is that you don't reuse them. My reloading firends have had occasional problems with a casing splitting or simply expanding until jammed. I have had a few long-rifle misfires.
Markius Fox " rimfire round with fragile case thickness " Wow that's a new one on me. Please tell me more.
theeddorian you know I can't recall one ether.. Hell out of the millions of .22 rimfire I have had shot I have had maybe a 50-100 rounds not fire that was the round fault.
Semper Fi Paul!!! Thanks for your military service and continued service of bringing educational content to private citizens. Keep the vids coming!
As ALWAYS, a magnificent presentation. Thank U!
I'd love to have the 5.7×28 mm. I think it would serve as a backpackers or a bicyclist gun very well. Its lightweight and holds many rounds and the extra mags are light and would make it so u dont have to carry the '' box " of ammo just the loaded mags. Ore room and less weight. Sounds like a winner to me. I'm thinking of getting one soon.
I really liked the results on the meat target. The 5.7 did a satisfactory amount of damage to the "lungs" without hurting the bystanders. Add the advantages of low recoil, a flat trajectory, armor piercing capabilities depending on ammo, and high magazine capacity, and I'd say it's a great caliber for many self defense purposes
I agree. I like the 23+1 capacity of the PSA Rock and the longer range capability. If you carry a second magazine, we're talking about 47 shots, accurate past 50 yards, that can pierce armor. I think 5.7 is a great option.
@@benmenkethe best! Well maybe not the absolute best but definitely more than "good enough".
That .45 Auto ammo is roughly 100 ft lbs energy less than a decent self defense .45 auto ammo.
It will still knock down the plates though. That is very pleasant (and fun) to shoot out of a 1911 Compact Model. I want a Commander size 1911, but the damn things have gotten insanely expensive! 😢
Yeah he said it was lower-end.
Most 45 ammo box labels are a little overly optimistic. 700-900fps is generally the range you're going to get out of a 45acp unless you're shooting 185s, which can sometimes hit 1000 or a bit over. (I know, I've done enough with 45acp...)
That was the whole point, to compare the 5.7 with a low end heavy projectile.
If I was carrying a 45 ACP I would use the Underwood loaded 185+p gold dots
Congrats on 200k subs Paul. Well deserved!
This is the first video of yours I have looked at, and well done. Great information that I will use in my next firearm purchase.
shows the 5.7 is doing pretty much exactly what it is designed to, weather those results are what you want or not.
I'm sure it's a good round for self defense but there are FAR better rounds out there and I'd much prefer something with more mass to it like, 357 sig, 7.62x25, 9x25, or anything larger than 5.7x28 but with a solid steel round.
I shot a couple coyotes with an ar57, they mostly bit at the spot they got hit as if stung by a bee or they just ran off as if never hit....
Its a shit round.
Jim Bob where did you hit them?
@@gooddoggo2258 mostly lung shots, dont get me wrong they did die....
Its just that i had to get in my truck to run over to where they fell (sometimes 300-400 yards) or i had to drill em several times.
Even 9mm ball drops a lowly coyote quite well, the 5.7 is the first round ive had issue with since i quit using rimfires.....
Jim Bob Yeah, that’s definitely too long for a coyote to go down. Thanks for an actual example of how 5.7 actually performs outside of gel tests.
👍👍 would love to hear more about the common pistol calibers and how they compare to each other when used for deer hunting. 👍👍
I'd recommend one of the Elite brand 5.7 loadings, assuming you try it to make sure it works in the gun. I think most of them will outperform factory FN or the American Eagle choices. They go faster, without the risk of hand loads.
Your local butcher, farmers market, rummage sale full of old clothes and Walmart soda department must all love seeing you coming. Keep up the great videos!