I live in the Spokane area and own a pair of Whites, Nicks, and soon a pair of Franks (which is in the old Nicks factory). All great boots and one can't go wrong with any of these boots.
@Kosta I've customized a pair of nicks boots a good 5 times and never complete the order for that reason. Pretty nervous about spending 600 dollars and not being sure of how it'll fit and feel
@@kosta2177 Well this is when you spend the $100 and have them send a pair for you to try on. Additionally an option also is to get that foam that compresses and send in a mold of your foot. But best way is to go down there and make an adventure out of it.
Nick's, owned by them. White's, owned by LaCrosse, which is in turn owned by a Japanese conglomerate. If supporting a small American business vs. a huge international conglomerate means anything to you. There is also Frank's and JK.
@@mad0uche All you had to do was tell me I was mistaken. The original post is not well written. Also you are wrong; I did not learn to read in America.
I’ve got the Okanagan boot . Best boot I’ve ever had ,It’s such an awesome boot , I’m so surprised that this is the only video out there on it that that I’ve seen so far. Great video 👍
Good luck with the Okanogan boots. They look beautiful. Just a point of clarification on Nicks McKay/Stitchdown method. The McKay portion of this construction stitches together the boot's inner lining with the insole and mid soles, and cannot be seen externally. However, if you look inside your Urban Logger, you can see and feel the McKay stitching through the insole. The stitchdown aspect of this construction entails flaring out the lower leather portion of the boot and double stitching the leather through the mid sole and out sole. These stitches you can see externally and looks the same as the external stitches on the Whites. This combination McKay and Stitchdown construction makes Nick's boots exceptionally water resistant. More so than the Whites.
Both Whites and Nick's make great boots. If you're looking for something that can be worn casually as well as do general work. you can't go wrong going with either....if you need something very job/work specific, the choices (and prices) narrow down between Nick's and Whites....
You do really great reviews and I think that's because you aren't afraid to use the boots and get them dirty. Unsure of how you prioritize the making of future videos, but wondering if you'd ever consider doing something on the Nick's Urban Drifter in Brown Waxed Flesh HNW last? I just bought a pair and really like them and I'd love to hear your opinion. They seem like a really nice cross between the more dressy Nicks Falcon and the fairly substantial Urban Logger.
KimballCody... any chance you can do another update between these two? I really like the Nick's urban logger... except for the stitch down construction (as compared to the welt used by Whites). Thanks.
@@KimballCody good stuff....thanks. On a side note, I am sorry you lost your job. I have been on the job for 16 years and everything has been a mess for almost 3 years.
The McKay stitchdown construction is actually more water tight and keeps dust and dirt out of the boot better than the rolled welt. Which is why Nick's moved away from it.
@@stoicsasquatch6285 That's not correct! Their "formerly" Hawthorn line is $200 less than Nick's whitesboots.com/rancher/mule-packer-pointed-toe/ The one I am talking about and McKay constructed is this one and is $90 dollars less than Nick's whitesboots.com/firefighter/helitack/ Note: Folks can save even more money if they buy White's during black Friday sale (20%off).
@@stoicsasquatch6285 I believe Nick's employees badmouthing White's is not going to help much. I was about to order Nick's but after reading a false statement about White's midsole' thickness by an employee of Nick's (details on reddit), I decided to go with White's. There is nothing wrong with business competition but bad mouthing a competitor is not going to fly in this day and age.
@@chicagoan6342 I'm sorry you feel that there is bad mouthing happening. I was simply trying to clarify the details. The video said that the handwelting could potentially be more water tight when it is the other way around. You implied White's was charging $100 less for the same thing, when there is more to it than just welt construction. There was in no way anything negative being said. I will delete the comments if you feel that strongly about it.
@@stoicsasquatch6285 Absolutely not! I am a huge fan of companies like White's and Nick's. They make their products in America and hire Americans. I have nothing against any other country but I want to keep my business in the US as much as possible. The conversation I mentioned happened last year and left a bad impression but we are adults here. I really think Nick's boots are amazing especially their Urban Loggers are delish!!! I wonder if Nick's should offer some sales, if possible? I would love to add Urban Loggers and/or Rangers from Nick's to my boots collection.
I’d love to see the footbed of these boots. Initially and after the break in period. I want to see how the footbed adapts and molds to the feet. I know it’s hard to show but it’d be interesting to see.
The fact that nicks only does the machine stitch is crazy to me. We pay a premium for these boots and the hand stitched welt is a touch that makes the price worth it. Nicks used to make boots with the hand stitched welt, but I just messaged them about getting my hand stitched boots rebuilt and they told me that they don't do hand stitching anymore. I'm going back to whites now
ive seen several factory tour videos of both companies, i will say the pace at whites seems far more hurried and it seems like everyone is trying to get their work done as fast as possible. nicks on the other hand the employees seem pretty relaxed and are taking their time to do the work. its possible this is because of the management difference, but this is why i would choose nicks. as far as stitch down (nicks) vs rolled welt (whites) first off nicks will actually do that method as an option (i believe). the rolled welt does take some more time, but tbh the way whites does it is pretty sloppy imo, even on the boots they have in pictures on their website. in the tour video, the guy was just using a sheetmetal bending vice grip to roll the welt down, and in the pictures there is alot of unevenness in the welt as well as exposed welt stitches. i would say rolled welt is more rebuildable and structurally it ties the boot together a bit more, but the stitchdown is probably a bit more waterproof because there are no stitches going through the upper into the insole.
Interesting. I like everything about the Nick's urban logger...except the stitch down. If I can get them with rolled welt they would be the hands down "winner".
@@KimballCody now i have 3 pair of danner combat hiker boots, 1 pair of crater rim, 2 pair of danner ich olive boots, 3 trekstar boots(one is Korea military boots), 3 Kolon boots. Will buy whites’ and redwing boots!
I've known some people who use cheap hair conditioner. I don't have an issue with sweating that much but if I did I would probably use water to rinse out any build up.
All "Whites" line ($539+) are handwelted in Norwegian design. White's "Harthorn" line ($389-499) made at McKay Stitchdown. Previously Nicks was also made in Norwegian design, but after expanding production and updating the site, they removed all references to Norwegian design (or rolled welt). Now Nicks sells only McKay Stitchdown on the site at a "Norvegian Whites" price or +$80-100 from a similar McKay Stitchdown Whites (Harthorn line). Difference is even more (up to 200$) if you remember the great Whites/Baker deals on Father's Day and Black Friday. At the same time, Nicks gives an evasive description of the design so that people do not understand this difference. Nicks can still make a Norwegian design for you if you ask him ... for an extra $ 100 :) On the other hand, Nick like Thursday can now donate shoes to bloggers for unbiased reviews :)
Thank you! You said it better. I am sick of Nick's employees bad mouthing White's on social media. I have noticed it here and on reddit a lot, very dishonest and cheap way to talk about you competitor!!!
Careful with ordering white's they are not as well made as they once were. I love my white's but it's not the same company anymore. I ordered 2 pairs from them back in september and one didn't get made the other was almost perfect but wasn't quite, I had to do some gluing to welt. I also ordered 3 through bakers boots thanksgiving weekend and 1 from white's (okanogan) 2 needed to be sent back (and again one wasn't made) because not made well, the third the tongue on right boot is like it is made for say a 7 maybe 8" boot were as the left is perfect, other than that they great. Anyway I love my white's but am going to try nicks next go around.
Not helpful. Which feels better, is more comfortable, gives better support? Things like that. Which do you prefer if you could buy only one? Also it would be good to sort out the styles.
Does anyone else feel they need to order White's one-half size smaller than Nick's? I wear 9.5 in Nick's and just got 9.5 in White's and they feel a bit big.
I have 3 pair of Whites & all the pull loops are made of lighter leather. 2 loops are almost torn through & the other 4 heading in that direction. NOT Impressed... The rest of the boots are fine.
Oh yeah my okanogan had to be sent back and the ones I have gotten back I am debating sending back again because the toe cap on left boot is not quite even going across toe. Trying to see if my ocd can live with it.
I think you are a little mistaken. One is a "stich down welt", hand sewn (that's the Nicks). The other is a "Goodyear welt" (the White's). White's makes fantastic "stich down" boots for about $100.00 more. Both have their advantages, but a "stich down welt" is all hand sewn and usually much more labor intensive. The White's goodyear welted boots are very good boots and both hand sewn and goodyear welted have their advantages. They are very different types of construction.
@@KimballCody No. My post wasn't very coherent, so I could see why you might think that. Danner uses stitch down and glues the outer sole to the mid sole. And they of course use machine stitches on the welt. So again, the answer is no, I don't believe that.
I believe that the Whites boots shown actually have a storm welt and not a Goodyear welt. I have a pair of Whites Smoke Jumpers and they are beautiful in a brutishly purposeful way!
@@KimballCody If that is the case then they should be manufactured with either a groove, a depressed edge or orient the treads so a stich line can fit between them.
Celastic has a little give. It will not mold like leather. If your foot is pushing out the leather during break in, the celastic will cause resistance. Unstructured is far more comfortable and yet will flatten out and look less attractive.
the McKay stitch is actually more waterproof and is sealed up better than half welting. Hand welting is the more traditional method and Nicks still offers it if its something you want but for most applications the McKay is better.
Pepsi/Coke, Ford/Chevrolet, Stihl/Husqvarna. There was a day when Whites were the only game in town. Tomato tomoto, can’t go wrong with either or either. I see a painful break in period, worth it!
I live in the Spokane area and own a pair of Whites, Nicks, and soon a pair of Franks (which is in the old Nicks factory). All great boots and one can't go wrong with any of these boots.
The problem is that you cannot just ho to the store and try them. You have to order and hope that it will fit properly
@Kosta I've customized a pair of nicks boots a good 5 times and never complete the order for that reason. Pretty nervous about spending 600 dollars and not being sure of how it'll fit and feel
@@kosta2177 Well this is when you spend the $100 and have them send a pair for you to try on.
Additionally an option also is to get that foam that compresses and send in a mold of your foot.
But best way is to go down there and make an adventure out of it.
@@kosta2177
I've done it. Trust the process. You will not regret it
Nick's, owned by them. White's, owned by LaCrosse, which is in turn owned by a Japanese conglomerate. If supporting a small American business vs. a huge international conglomerate means anything to you. There is also Frank's and JK.
I got a pair of jk's damn good boot
White's does not own Nicks. Not sure where you got that information.
@@b.c.gamingss I don't know where you learned to read. Wait I know, probably America.
@@mad0uche All you had to do was tell me I was mistaken. The original post is not well written. Also you are wrong; I did not learn to read in America.
JK BOOTS!
I’ve got the Okanagan boot . Best boot I’ve ever had ,It’s such an awesome boot , I’m so surprised that this is the only video out there on it that that I’ve seen so far. Great video 👍
I was trying to find videos on it and there's a guy walking a dog and my two videos
Good luck with the Okanogan boots. They look beautiful. Just a point of clarification on Nicks McKay/Stitchdown method. The McKay portion of this construction stitches together the boot's inner lining with the insole and mid soles, and cannot be seen externally. However, if you look inside your Urban Logger, you can see and feel the McKay stitching through the insole. The stitchdown aspect of this construction entails flaring out the lower leather portion of the boot and double stitching the leather through the mid sole and out sole. These stitches you can see externally and looks the same as the external stitches on the Whites. This combination McKay and Stitchdown construction makes Nick's boots exceptionally water resistant. More so than the Whites.
White's McKay constructed boots are almost $100 cheaper than Nick's so you could save some money.
Both Whites and Nick's make great boots. If you're looking for something that can be worn casually as well as do general work. you can't go wrong going with either....if you need something very job/work specific, the choices (and prices) narrow down between Nick's and Whites....
Love this! Would like a follow up video in a couple of months.
Would love to see a video on your boot care kit. The bag looked interesting
You do really great reviews and I think that's because you aren't afraid to use the boots and get them dirty. Unsure of how you prioritize the making of future videos, but wondering if you'd ever consider doing something on the Nick's Urban Drifter in Brown Waxed Flesh HNW last? I just bought a pair and really like them and I'd love to hear your opinion. They seem like a really nice cross between the more dressy Nicks Falcon and the fairly substantial Urban Logger.
KimballCody... any chance you can do another update between these two? I really like the Nick's urban logger... except for the stitch down construction (as compared to the welt used by Whites). Thanks.
Will do. I've got a rewaxing video for the Nick's coming up
@@KimballCody good stuff....thanks. On a side note, I am sorry you lost your job. I have been on the job for 16 years and everything has been a mess for almost 3 years.
Did you have Nicks do a lower heel on those Urban Loggers? The heel doesn't look as high as others I've seen.
Boothunter on ig had these made. I think they are the mid heel
The McKay stitchdown construction is actually more water tight and keeps dust and dirt out of the boot better than the rolled welt. Which is why Nick's moved away from it.
White's Mckay boots are almost $100 cheaper than Nick's and if you buy White's during black Friday sale you could save even some more money.
@@stoicsasquatch6285 That's not correct! Their "formerly" Hawthorn line is $200 less than Nick's
whitesboots.com/rancher/mule-packer-pointed-toe/
The one I am talking about and McKay constructed is this one and is $90 dollars less than Nick's
whitesboots.com/firefighter/helitack/
Note: Folks can save even more money if they buy White's during black Friday sale (20%off).
@@stoicsasquatch6285 I believe Nick's employees badmouthing White's is not going to help much. I was about to order Nick's but after reading a false statement about White's midsole' thickness by an employee of Nick's (details on reddit), I decided to go with White's.
There is nothing wrong with business competition but bad mouthing a competitor is not going to fly in this day and age.
@@chicagoan6342 I'm sorry you feel that there is bad mouthing happening. I was simply trying to clarify the details. The video said that the handwelting could potentially be more water tight when it is the other way around. You implied White's was charging $100 less for the same thing, when there is more to it than just welt construction. There was in no way anything negative being said. I will delete the comments if you feel that strongly about it.
@@stoicsasquatch6285 Absolutely not! I am a huge fan of companies like White's and Nick's. They make their products in America and hire Americans. I have nothing against any other country but I want to keep my business in the US as much as possible.
The conversation I mentioned happened last year and left a bad impression but we are adults here.
I really think Nick's boots are amazing especially their Urban Loggers are delish!!!
I wonder if Nick's should offer some sales, if possible? I would love to add Urban Loggers and/or Rangers from Nick's to my boots collection.
I’d love to see the footbed of these boots. Initially and after the break in period. I want to see how the footbed adapts and molds to the feet. I know it’s hard to show but it’d be interesting to see.
Rose anvil did both brands i believe
White's Mckay stitchdown constructed boots are $100 less.
The fact that nicks only does the machine stitch is crazy to me. We pay a premium for these boots and the hand stitched welt is a touch that makes the price worth it. Nicks used to make boots with the hand stitched welt, but I just messaged them about getting my hand stitched boots rebuilt and they told me that they don't do hand stitching anymore. I'm going back to whites now
Good for you
@@davidhoward7691 thank you
Standing/walking on concrete all day, need safety toe. Suggestions? TIA.
I really enjoy my Redbacks(made in Australia)Romeo(slip on) boots. They have a gummy rubber molded sole and hold up to daily fire station duties.
ive seen several factory tour videos of both companies, i will say the pace at whites seems far more hurried and it seems like everyone is trying to get their work done as fast as possible. nicks on the other hand the employees seem pretty relaxed and are taking their time to do the work. its possible this is because of the management difference, but this is why i would choose nicks.
as far as stitch down (nicks) vs rolled welt (whites) first off nicks will actually do that method as an option (i believe). the rolled welt does take some more time, but tbh the way whites does it is pretty sloppy imo, even on the boots they have in pictures on their website. in the tour video, the guy was just using a sheetmetal bending vice grip to roll the welt down, and in the pictures there is alot of unevenness in the welt as well as exposed welt stitches. i would say rolled welt is more rebuildable and structurally it ties the boot together a bit more, but the stitchdown is probably a bit more waterproof because there are no stitches going through the upper into the insole.
Agree…! Seen many vids on logger boots and Nicks are real old school best leathers fit and finish…!!! Going for a pair next year.!
Interesting. I like everything about the Nick's urban logger...except the stitch down. If I can get them with rolled welt they would be the hands down "winner".
@@readyme you should ask them, i do remember it being an option
I love USA boots and your channel.
Thank you
@@KimballCody want to see more of your vids.
@@KimballCody now i have 3 pair of danner combat hiker boots, 1 pair of crater rim, 2 pair of danner ich olive boots, 3 trekstar boots(one is Korea military boots), 3 Kolon boots. Will buy whites’ and redwing boots!
How do you care for the leather interior of the boots? I know they get salt deposits from perspirations.
I've known some people who use cheap hair conditioner. I don't have an issue with sweating that much but if I did I would probably use water to rinse out any build up.
All "Whites" line ($539+) are handwelted in Norwegian design. White's "Harthorn" line ($389-499) made at McKay Stitchdown. Previously Nicks was also made in Norwegian design, but after expanding production and updating the site, they removed all references to Norwegian design (or rolled welt). Now Nicks sells only McKay Stitchdown on the site at a "Norvegian Whites" price or +$80-100 from a similar McKay Stitchdown Whites (Harthorn line). Difference is even more (up to 200$) if you remember the great Whites/Baker deals on Father's Day and Black Friday. At the same time, Nicks gives an evasive description of the design so that people do not understand this difference. Nicks can still make a Norwegian design for you if you ask him ... for an extra $ 100 :)
On the other hand, Nick like Thursday can now donate shoes to bloggers for unbiased reviews :)
Thank you! You said it better. I am sick of Nick's employees bad mouthing White's on social media. I have noticed it here and on reddit a lot, very dishonest and cheap way to talk about you competitor!!!
You’ve probably opened many people’s eyes with your comment!
I have the Okanagan as well. Great boot. Aging very well.
I like the soles, treads, and stitching. Those Vibram soles are the best. Your boots are always great.
So are they Nicks or Whites in the movie Cobra ?
I don't know
how long did it take you to get them whites Okanogan boots sir?
8 weeks
in the nicks, is that the natural waxed or brown waxed? thanks
Brown waxed
Careful with ordering white's they are not as well made as they once were. I love my white's but it's not the same company anymore. I ordered 2 pairs from them back in september and one didn't get made the other was almost perfect but wasn't quite, I had to do some gluing to welt. I also ordered 3 through bakers boots thanksgiving weekend and 1 from white's (okanogan) 2 needed to be sent back (and again one wasn't made) because not made well, the third the tongue on right boot is like it is made for say a 7 maybe 8" boot were as the left is perfect, other than that they great. Anyway I love my white's but am going to try nicks next go around.
Not helpful. Which feels better, is more comfortable, gives better support? Things like that. Which do you prefer if you could buy only one? Also it would be good to sort out the styles.
I've got a follow up video answering your questions
Is there a reason why the white are so much bigger than the nicks?
Does anyone else feel they need to order White's one-half size smaller than Nick's? I wear 9.5 in Nick's and just got 9.5 in White's and they feel a bit big.
Yep
I have 3 pair of Whites & all the pull loops are made of lighter leather. 2 loops are almost torn through & the other 4 heading in that direction. NOT Impressed... The rest of the boots are fine.
Oh yeah my okanogan had to be sent back and the ones I have gotten back I am debating sending back again because the toe cap on left boot is not quite even going across toe. Trying to see if my ocd can live with it.
That's funny because my left toe cap has a wrinkle in it that drives me crazy
@@KimballCody Yeah their quality control isn't what it once was.
IMO go with JK’s. The only problem is JK is more of a work or wildland firefighter boot. You definitely get tons of options from Whites or Nicks
How do the heel heights compare. The Urban Logger's stock heel looks too tall for my all-around use. Is the White's slightly shorter?
They are about the same. Ultimately I don't even notice the height difference
Do the lasts Nick's and White's provided have the same arch support ?
Very similar
@@KimballCody Thanks. Seems the default heel stack Nicks seems a bit higher than White's
Did you get a lower heel or is that the standard 55 last?
I believe the Nick's are their standard heel. I've seen images where they look higher than mine and I believe those are their extra stack heels.
Thanks for the insights great video 👍
I think the nicks seem better. The tougher toe seems better quality. Just what I noticed. Thanks
White's makes a celastic toe too
@@KimballCody agree, I have white's boots with celastic toes.
That a good looking boot from whites. If I was to order that same boot from whites. What the name of that boot. They both a good looking boot
Instead of guessing the weight of the leather...get yourself a leather thickness /weight gauge?
Excellent idea
My biggest dislike about most PNWB is how wide the welt construction is vs a good year welt. I just prefer a narrower boot.
Great review
The comparison you make is not valid, because the Nicks boots are already used, while the others are new.
You are wrong
I think you are a little mistaken. One is a "stich down welt", hand sewn (that's the Nicks). The other is a "Goodyear welt" (the White's). White's makes fantastic "stich down" boots for about $100.00 more. Both have their advantages, but a "stich down welt" is all hand sewn and usually much more labor intensive. The White's goodyear welted boots are very good boots and both hand sewn and goodyear welted have their advantages. They are very different types of construction.
You believe "stitch down" is by hand all the way through the vamp, midsole and outsole?
@@KimballCody No. My post wasn't very coherent, so I could see why you might think that. Danner uses stitch down and glues the outer sole to the mid sole. And they of course use machine stitches on the welt. So again, the answer is no, I don't believe that.
I believe that the Whites boots shown actually have a storm welt and not a Goodyear welt. I have a pair of Whites Smoke Jumpers and they are beautiful in a brutishly purposeful way!
Just ordered Nicks Moc Toe. Something tells me that they build better boots.
@Xao Jiden they are superior boots
How are they ? Been wanting to order one myself ? Toebox spacious ?
@@remzi6061 solid boot, I love them
They need to cut a grove in the sole for the stitching, As it is with the stitching on the surface it wears through in a week.
Cutting a groove in these lug soles would compromise the sole and cause it to break apart
@@KimballCody If that is the case then they should be manufactured with either a groove, a depressed edge or orient the treads so a stich line can fit between them.
😆 How didn’t I know you had a channel???
Sub’d
7:14 yeah but Whites isnt made by a 7’4” giant at the Nicks factory!! Thats just plain cooler.
That's not a McKay stitch
Nicks FTW
great shoes mate
do you like the celastic toe? can you feel it while on feet?
Celastic has a little give. It will not mold like leather. If your foot is pushing out the leather during break in, the celastic will cause resistance. Unstructured is far more comfortable and yet will flatten out and look less attractive.
I have celastic toe. Its very comfortable. The key thing is to go through the custom fitting process.
the McKay stitch is actually more waterproof and is sealed up better than half welting. Hand welting is the more traditional method and Nicks still offers it if its something you want but for most applications the McKay is better.
White's Mckay boots are almost $100 cheaper than Nick's and if you buy White's during black Friday sale you could save even some more money.
guys, which has the most toe room? cutter? cruiser? semi dress?
Cutter
@@KimballCody thank you.
I would also recommend celastic toe
My next pair be nick’s…. Merica baby
Nicks are much better looking
Pepsi/Coke, Ford/Chevrolet, Stihl/Husqvarna. There was a day when Whites were the only game in town. Tomato tomoto, can’t go wrong with either or either. I see a painful break in period, worth it!
Based.
Also, just FYI. As far as I know it's pronounced [veebram]
It's pronounced that way in Eat-taly you savvy. In US we say It-tally and vy-brum.
Too many commercials. Later .....
I can't control that
"URBAN Loggers", about says it all, eh?
The lockdown has ended.
Will you honor your promise to dance in your boots for our LGBTQ group
If not...we need to put you on THE LIST...
Do it
"Norwegian welt" 🤣 It's just a boot welt my man, nothing special
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