*What do you think to my microphone placements? No doubt you'll have your own views, and I'd be very interested in hearing them. Can't believe I banged the door when I was trying to be quiet!!*
To be honest, to record Tim playing I would have settled for a mic in the vestibule.....I'm sure his excellent playing would counter the poor positioning! What an organist!!
Enjoyed this. Microphone placement is subjective, just as is choosing your seat for a concert. But patterns and direction are more scientific. A trick I learned long ago from a recording studio mentor and engineer is to plug one ear with your finger while the musicians play, and you will tend to hear what a microphone hears in that place. Otherwise, your ear/brain system does too good a job of sorting the sound, but the recording will not sort it. It's nice you take this seriously. The results show it. Some RUclipsrs just prop up a handheld field recorder... It's fine for RUclips, but not really of commercial quality. Hoisting all those microphones must be a heroic effort. :)
I love this kind of videos too ! As those where you show us how you practice and performe some wonderful pieces, it's cool to see how you set up your recording setup !!
4:33 Ah, the old hymn book trick for levelling-up purposes. I used that many a time as an organ builder in an emergency for ladders etc. - after the church warden had left the building.
Absolutely super. Really looking forward to these recordings!! It’s wonderful to see your process evolve and as you gain more and more experience with the audio engineering it just gets better and better!!
Amazing amazing video sharing as always dear friend 😊 I really enjoyed watching every of your videos Thanks for sharing this with us Super big Big like thumbs up 👍👍👍 Luiz here again 🤗🎸 Keep intouch 👍❤️
Wonderful Richard! I appreciate BIS and yourself so much. I wish I was in the UK and not Australia!! Microphone placements are excellent! You are learning very well how to do good audio engineering. Well done Richard and yes, the banging door happened, but you weren't to know that it was going to do that!
Thanks for showing us the setup. I have never had my hands on a really high-end microphone such as the ones you are using. The ones we use at church are, I think, no more than about $300 each.
Thank you so much for this brilliant film Richard - It's so interesting to hear you describe your rationale behind the placement of the microphones, something which you are really passionate about and do SO well. The proof will be in the pudding, and I am confident that you will bring yet another tasty offering to the BIS table for us all to feast on. Lovely use of the hymn books by the way to 'chock' and 'level' the base for the mast. (were you a boy scout by any chance?) A personal observation in relation to your presenting skills - I began to feel dizzy when you were quickly turning and chatting to the camera. You might consider rotating a little slower in any future films? otherwise another 'top drawer' McVeigh production. I'm certainly looking forward to the recital going live, and thank you again for all that you do. Kind regards as always. 👍
I remember singing in 'Chi' many years ago - ? Messiah or Bminor when the had an early electronic (being a cynic - methinks an electric...) probabably wit valves and it was truly horrible - so your sampling will be a revelation....... (I remember now it was an Allen)
The Father Willis organ in All Saints church Hastings is an instrument worth investigating. Thomas Trotter and David Briggs have given recitals on this three manual masterpiece and it must be one of the most perfectly voiced and original organs in the south of England.
Small sounding organ, but that Widor didn't sound small at all... That organ facade is just stunning, you'd almost expect a nice baroquish console behind it ;)
Small sounding it maybe in comparison to some, but many will agree it more than makes up for it in terms of quality. Due the the spire collapse in 1861, much of the organ was saved and put into storage, whilst it was rebuilt. Thus, it escaped the ‘modernisation’ that many organs underwent in the Victorian era, so it retains a very distinct sound and quality. I may also be a little biased, as Chichester is my home city, and for many years lived and worked within yards of this magnificent building, and have had the pleasure to listen to a whole variety of concerts, from the Royal Philharmonic, to jazz, military, coral, as well of course to organ and church services. Close on a thousand years of history. If ever you are in the south of England, it’s very worth a visit!
Thank you Richard for your very inspiring video's! Which mics did you use as the main AB-pair? And why a cardioid ORTF pair for the direct sound, and not something like NOS (a litle whider)?
The AB pair were KM184s but I’m thinking of replacing them with the TLM170s. I’m after a pair of TLM107s so I think I’ll put the 107s in the Nave and use the 170s as the main pair…. I think the 170s are too good to ‘only’ be capturing the acoustic - the 107s will do that nicely. I really like the way the 184s capture a clear and precise direct sound. I’ve come to realise that these mics are at their best when closer to the subject and I have to say I’m already very happy with the mix! What do you use?
@@beautyinsound Interesting! I almost always use an omni-pair as mains, and an extra cardioid pair further away to capture the accoustics. An extra cardioid pair close to the organ is not often being used in NL. But I can immagine it helps a lot with typical English organs 😅 As main pair I use Van Medevoort C1000 LDC's or DPA4006.
I really enjoyed this video! You've some really nice mics. What mixer and recording equipment do you use? Do you make use of a compressor or do you apply compression afterwards on your PC? Keep these technical videos coming please!
Thks for interesting talk. A beautiful cathedral. The mic brands mean nothing to me but sort of understand the placing of the mics & why. What are you recording on? Tape/dig device?
This is a great video!! I was wondering what 8-channel interface you used, and presumably it needed to be plugged in to the mains in order to provide 8 channels of phantom power. Also, how long do your XLR cables need to be to reach it from all different angles?!
Too much ambient noise, I expect. I’m going to have to be quite careful about how much noise I remove so that it doesn’t detract any of the actual sound of the organ.
*What do you think to my microphone placements? No doubt you'll have your own views, and I'd be very interested in hearing them. Can't believe I banged the door when I was trying to be quiet!!*
To be honest, to record Tim playing I would have settled for a mic in the vestibule.....I'm sure his excellent playing would counter the poor positioning! What an organist!!
Enjoyed this. Microphone placement is subjective, just as is choosing your seat for a concert. But patterns and direction are more scientific. A trick I learned long ago from a recording studio mentor and engineer is to plug one ear with your finger while the musicians play, and you will tend to hear what a microphone hears in that place. Otherwise, your ear/brain system does too good a job of sorting the sound, but the recording will not sort it.
It's nice you take this seriously. The results show it. Some RUclipsrs just prop up a handheld field recorder...
It's fine for RUclips, but not really of commercial quality.
Hoisting all those microphones must be a heroic effort. :)
Good video! Very cool! 👍😎🔥
Very interesting, looking forward to hearing the recital.😁👍🎹
Beautiful cathedral! You are a great narrator Richard. Love the shirt.
I love this kind of videos too !
As those where you show us how you practice and performe some wonderful pieces, it's cool to see how you set up your recording setup !!
4:33 Ah, the old hymn book trick for levelling-up purposes. I used that many a time as an organ builder in an emergency for ladders etc. - after the church warden had left the building.
Very interesting, Richard! I intend to watch this video again as I am interested in architecture, too. Such an opportunity for me! Thank you!
Richard, thank you for helping us to further understand your passion for the craft and the underlying work which it requires!!
Superb. Top job. Can’t wait for the video!
Absolutely super. Really looking forward to these recordings!! It’s wonderful to see your process evolve and as you gain more and more experience with the audio engineering it just gets better and better!!
Amazing amazing video sharing as always dear friend 😊
I really enjoyed watching every of your videos
Thanks for sharing this with us
Super big Big like thumbs up 👍👍👍
Luiz here again 🤗🎸
Keep intouch 👍❤️
Please do more of these when you can. It’s nice to have the reasoning behind what you are doing. Thanks again.
Very cool how you go through a very labor intensive process to make these organs sound as good as they do
Looking forward to the programs from Chichester.
my 2nd recording in 1986 used various hymn books to get the mic stand to stop leaning because of the unlevel floor
Fascinating, even for someone untechnical like me! I look forward to hearing the end result.
That is cool! What a beautiful cathedral. I am looking forward to the next video in series.
Wonderful Richard! I appreciate BIS and yourself so much. I wish I was in the UK and not Australia!! Microphone placements are excellent! You are learning very well how to do good audio engineering. Well done Richard and yes, the banging door happened, but you weren't to know that it was going to do that!
Thanks for showing us the setup. I have never had my hands on a really high-end microphone such as the ones you are using. The ones we use at church are, I think, no more than about $300 each.
Thank you so much for this brilliant film Richard - It's so interesting to hear you describe your rationale behind the placement of the microphones, something which you are really passionate about and do SO well. The proof will be in the pudding, and I am confident that you will bring yet another tasty offering to the BIS table for us all to feast on. Lovely use of the hymn books by the way to 'chock' and 'level' the base for the mast. (were you a boy scout by any chance?)
A personal observation in relation to your presenting skills - I began to feel dizzy when you were quickly turning and chatting to the camera. You might consider rotating a little slower in any future films? otherwise another 'top drawer' McVeigh production.
I'm certainly looking forward to the recital going live, and thank you again for all that you do. Kind regards as always. 👍
I remember singing in 'Chi' many years ago - ? Messiah or Bminor when the had an early electronic (being a cynic - methinks an electric...) probabably wit valves and it was truly horrible - so your sampling will be a revelation.......
(I remember now it was an Allen)
👏🏻👏🏻 can’t wait! There was no mention of you demonstrating the organ but I’m sure it’s in the making 🫣
The Father Willis organ in All Saints church Hastings is an instrument worth investigating. Thomas Trotter and David Briggs have given recitals on this three manual masterpiece and it must be one of the most perfectly voiced and original organs in the south of England.
I don’t know that one, but I’ll check it out if I can
😄!! Such a Sound Nerd!..😛 But it's Interesting and entertaining..!👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾😋💕
Great video, the amount of work you put into them is astonishing. What do you edit video with?
Small sounding organ, but that Widor didn't sound small at all... That organ facade is just stunning, you'd almost expect a nice baroquish console behind it ;)
Small sounding it maybe in comparison to some, but many will agree it more than makes up for it in terms of quality. Due the the spire collapse in 1861, much of the organ was saved and put into storage, whilst it was rebuilt. Thus, it escaped the ‘modernisation’ that many organs underwent in the Victorian era, so it retains a very distinct sound and quality.
I may also be a little biased, as Chichester is my home city, and for many years lived and worked within yards of this magnificent building, and have had the pleasure to listen to a whole variety of concerts, from the Royal Philharmonic, to jazz, military, coral, as well of course to organ and church services.
Close on a thousand years of history. If ever you are in the south of England, it’s very worth a visit!
Thank you Richard for your very inspiring video's! Which mics did you use as the main AB-pair? And why a cardioid ORTF pair for the direct sound, and not something like NOS (a litle whider)?
The AB pair were KM184s but I’m thinking of replacing them with the TLM170s. I’m after a pair of TLM107s so I think I’ll put the 107s in the Nave and use the 170s as the main pair…. I think the 170s are too good to ‘only’ be capturing the acoustic - the 107s will do that nicely.
I really like the way the 184s capture a clear and precise direct sound. I’ve come to realise that these mics are at their best when closer to the subject and I have to say I’m already very happy with the mix!
What do you use?
@@beautyinsound Interesting! I almost always use an omni-pair as mains, and an extra cardioid pair further away to capture the accoustics. An extra cardioid pair close to the organ is not often being used in NL. But I can immagine it helps a lot with typical English organs 😅 As main pair I use Van Medevoort C1000 LDC's or DPA4006.
When I was a chorister at Ripon we had 6 ley Clark’s and then 5 boys but 13 girls. However the girls and boys didn’t really sing together.
I really enjoyed this video! You've some really nice mics. What mixer and recording equipment do you use? Do you make use of a compressor or do you apply compression afterwards on your PC?
Keep these technical videos coming please!
This would be great as a hauptwerk organ sample set!
Is this the sort of setup one would use if making a hauptwerk digital sample set? Or are there other factors to be taken into consideration.
Definitely keep realism by leaving actual delays in. All those mics didn't come cheap! Sounds great.
Hi my son is in Chichester Cathedral choir
Thks for interesting talk. A beautiful cathedral. The mic brands mean nothing to me but sort of understand the placing of the mics & why. What are you recording on? Tape/dig device?
Some of the best mikes available.
This is a great video!! I was wondering what 8-channel interface you used, and presumably it needed to be plugged in to the mains in order to provide 8 channels of phantom power. Also, how long do your XLR cables need to be to reach it from all different angles?!
Richard maybe You can invite Piotr to make same English organ sampleset?
Too much ambient noise, I expect. I’m going to have to be quite careful about how much noise I remove so that it doesn’t detract any of the actual sound of the organ.
As the microphones, there were times when I couldn't hear well. I would suggest that you speak a little more slowly and loudly, perhaps.