☕ Recording Guildford Cathedral Organ | Setting up Microphones and Cameras | Ep. 1 of 4
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Join me in this 4-part Mini Series where I head to Guildford Cathedral to record their incredible 4-manual organ with it's 6 divisions and 8-second acoustic for an Organ Recital played by their Sub Organist - Richard Moore.
Episode 1: Setting up
00:00 | Introduction
00:24 | Welcome to the Hog's Back
03:05 | A quick tour of the Cathedral
05:13 | Where are the microphones going?
06:29 | Let's talk about microphone placements
11:09 | The Organ Loft
This series looks at the whole end-to-end process from setting up the microphones and cameras, an organ demonstration and finally back at home in my studio.
The recital will be broadcast on BEAUTY IN SOUND on 26th June 2021.
Episode 1: Setting Up
Episode 2: Organ Demonstration
Episode 3: Organ Recital
Episode 4: Post-Production In The Studio
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All so interesting Richard, what an acoustic, I like the plainness of Guildford! Looking forward to hearing this later!
It was "recording Truro" that got me hooked on this channel, so I am looking forward to this new series.
Thank you Richard for all those wonderful visits,,,visual and accoustical delights. My partner and I really enjoy touring England's wonderful organs and churches.
from an organist from Canada.
A beautiful Cathedral with great acoustics. I was born in Dorking Surrey.
6:56 That accustic check was awesome! I always wanted (still do) to do that in a church here is Greece !
Richard I can't begin to tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next episode. What a beautiful building. The organ console looks so clean and neat, as does the pipework and casing. Many congratulations. Your video is put together so well. I love the real sense of excitement in your voice as you ascend the stairs to the loft, and that chord - Magnificent sound and echo ! Don't keep us waiting too long please for the next instalment.(I do hope that this series will eventually have 40 more episodes - What do you think. A man of your calibre and standing in the organ world must be able to pull a few more strings ?) LOL
Brilliant! I had to punch a hole in the day's activities to enjoy this - thank you for bringing us along for the ride. So much work goes in behind the scenes in delivering an amazing recording, and it's wonderful to capture a glimpse of that (and learn a bunch from you too!) Truly outstanding!!
What an interesting and unique space. And the light wood on the console is quite nice. Makes the whole space feel light and airy and bright.
Beautiful pipe organ! Thank you for providing us these series. I learn so much from them.
What a beautiful sound!!! Hey that’s a true organ ! Enjoyed it!
✨Absolutely Wonderful!!💞 I felt and could Feel the Space!.. Magnificent..!💗💥💗 Onwards!..🌟👏👏👏
Really looking forward to these recordings, and wonderful to see Guildford cathedral restored back to glory. Last time I was there it was full to the ceiling inside with scaffolding.
Oh my... Guilford cathedral organ is one of my absolute favourite, good to know you've gone to visit it!
Holy Mother of God! Thank you Richard. Wonderful.
Another great cathedral organ you've captured. Thanks for this episode, looking forward to the next episodes.
It must be a great experience to play this organ, since the divisions are behind you. That's better than having most of the pipes above you (noise, not the faintest idea how it sounds in the church).
Nice time lapse 😊
We would love to hear Caroline (and Hugo?) also sing in Guildford.
so enjoyable, thank you! PS: couldn't believe that drive up to the cathedral: the colour of the road and the prominent view of the cathedral. Remarkable.
One day I will be seeing that organ too. And also hear and see you live playing.
Greetings from NYC.
I think you just BECAME a great singer with those acoustics!!!! I just say I was quite impressed with your voice! :-)
Not a cathedral I’ve been to, so I’m really looking forward to this
Ha! I regularly drove over the Hog’s Back as a child on the way to and from my grandparents in East Croydon from Southampton. There used to be a chippy in the lay-by right at the top. Talk about a blast from the past. Of course, John Dexter was the Cathedral Organist in Dublin when I started working there. That’s also the best view of the cathedral!
Really nice to hear what equipment your using and how it is set up.
Richard, Guildford Cathedral is 5 mins from home, I would have popped down and said hi. Had the privilege of playing this wonderful Organ awhile back. 👍
What a magnificent room, Richard, its often mentioned on FB (by a steward there). Hope the recording comes out well.
Thank you for your insights. I pass the Cathedral several times every year on my way to and from meetings in Southampton, but as far as I remember never been inside it. Must put it on my bucket list.
You really should pay it a visit - it’s lovely!
I was confirmed in Guildford Cathedral in 1970
every east we walked to Guildford Cathedral from all the churches in the diocese
Richard, you are on my home turf! This is where I was a chorister back in the late 80's early 90's so I've seen how many other recordings were made here (and appear on a number of them!). I shall be extremely interested to see how this turns out. (FYI, the placements you have indicated are a hybrid of the placements used by Word UK and the BBC during my tenure).
Very, Very exiciting!
As a mix engineer, I shall be doubly interested to see what you do in Cubase - which is what I drive daily!
Absolutely no pressure :-)
I'm loving these episodes. I never found ep5 of the Truro project.
Ep 5 of Truro is on its way, I promise!!
Oh boy,here we go again. I really like these videos. I'd love to record an organ. What make/model is your tall stand?
Manfrotto
I just got one of these stands on ebay for $319 (£252) and free shipping. This thing is a beast 😄 it's demanding it's own room. Thanks
I'm really looking forward to the final recording to compare with what I've heard live at Guildford. I've been to a number of recitals there following the renovation of the organ. The building has a very odd acoustic and what you hear varies with every step you take ... literally. Position is everything. In the wrong hands (NOT Richard Moore's, I hasten to add!), and if you're sitting in the wrong place, textures can get very muddy and you just get a wash of (sometimes VERY loud) mushy sound.
As the Scarecrow said to the Tin Man, "Beautiful! What an echo!" 🎹🎶
Good one!😂👍
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj Thanks! 😉🎹🎶
Btw, what happened to Episode 5 of Truro?
It's on it's way, I promise!! :)
Great video, Richard! I'd like to have known what kind of SDCs you were using for the close mics - were they more KM184s?
Yes - 184s. I might toy with another pair in the future as I find that the overall sound spectrum from high to low isn't as natural as I'd like. My recent Arundel Virtual Church was recorded using only my 170s from a fairly close position (I was limited with what I could do due to it being open to tourists).
You should do Lichfield organ
I wish I had a Cathedral and organ just for myself!
Aside piotrgrabowsk site, where else can I download full organ samples for free?
Richard, Thanks for this episode! I have a passing interest in your microphone technique, in that I have done several different organ CDs here in NZ. A question if I may - what recorder do you use, and what sample rate?
I multitrack straight into Cubase at 96,000hz. My lesson learned from Truro was that I forgot to change the sample rate from 44k to 96k. If you listen to Truro vs. Guildford you'll probably hear the difference in sound quality. Recording at 44k meant it was hard to remove some of the floor noise from Truro (there was a lot!!). I'll go into this in Ep 5 of Recording Truro and Ep 4 of Recording Guildford.
The recent work to the nave (vaulting) has vastly improved the acoustic. The acoustic was already pretty good but now it gives St Paul's a run for it's money 🤣 You've captured it very well! Next up...York Minster, right? Lol
It certainly has. The original "accoustic plaster" dampened the RT60 down to about 4.5 seconds. It's removal in recent times (due to containing asbestos and degrading over the last 60years I believe ) has brought the RT60 up to about 6.5 seconds. A substantial increase. This means that the organ at all stops is likely to have a total reverb time approaching 9-10 seconds. Not quite at St Paul's which I believe is an RT60 of somewhere around 8 seconds, but not too far behind.
Whether it's an improvement is open to debate. The longer reverb time means faster music will tend to smudge together more. I expect they have to sing Psalms at a slower tempo now. I bet the choir love Psalm 119 even more 🤣
I'm personally a fan though, and wish it had been that way when I was a chorister there 30 years ago.
Can you be a bit more excited please Richard 🤣. I love your enthusiasm and can't wait to here the Maestro play. I'm wondering what the thinking was behind putting the console where it is? Are you perhaps better able to hear yourself from there? Perhaps with all that reverb a remote console 'downstairs' might suffer with delay? I'm intrigued. 🤷♂️
Same!😁👍
Hi Eddie. I might be able to help there. The position of the console (immediately above the choir) allowed for the organist to have a good view of the choir, conductor and everything going on nomatter where they were in the cathedral. This was great for the organist to have a handle on timing on incidental improvisation and the like during precessions etc.
The director of music traditionally conducted from the front of the cantoris stalls opposite from the console, so a simple tilting mirror on the top of the console could be used. When the choir performed from the steps the mirror was simply rotated. This all predates CCTV being commonplace.
In the early 90's a seperate single manual console was commisioned for the Positive division, which was connected via a large multi-way cable. This could be placed anywhere within about 30m of the Positive pipes - but generally was used by the Director of Music if the organist was unavailable for smaller services such as mid-week evensong. It would be placed where the conductor was normally placed - the front of the Cantoris stalls.
The organ pre-dates fibre interconnects (although may have now been upgraded) and has only in the last few years been significantly overhauled. Before that time, having the console positioned up high and with views over the entire cathedral, gave all the same flexability of any mobile console, without the hastle or dangers involved in moving it about. It also kept it out of the way of visitors and 'little fingers'.
The spiral staircase up to the organ loft is also moderately new - in my day (Early 90's) there was a steep vertical set of steps more akin to a ladder with a handrail. Always fun to negotiate with a cassock - which I used to do often on the procession out to assist the organist with page turning duties. I'm glad there is a safer way to get up there now!
There is little difference sonically with the extra height of the console. Obviously, the Positive section tends to be louder, cleaner and clearer to the organist than to the congregation and most of the choir, being at the same elevation and only about 15/20m away, compared to the rest of the organ at about 50m away and this can be a little strange at first.
I date from the days of Andrew Millington as Director of Music, and Peter Wright / Geffory Morgan as Organists. 1988-1992.
Saying all that - these are just my recollections from 30 years ago. I may be wrapping myself in warm nostalgia!
-Melodic
Thanks for the detailed reply Melodic - that’s really insightful!
As has already been pointed out, the console is where it is due to the visibility and with it being very close to the choir stalls. Don’t forget here in England choral music is integral to our services in our cathedrals, so the organist needs to be very close to the singers.
The Positive division was added slightly later to bring some clarity for the choir.
@@MrHarmonicminor Thank you for your insight. I found it a great read 👍 (was so tempted to put Gt. Reed)
@@beautyinsound Just listening to your single chord I can understand the choir needing some clarity. What was that, 7, 8 seconds?
Maybe this will become an organ sampleset?
Anything’s possible!
Interesting again. I am still sceptical of the idea of mixing several pairs of microphones with the aim of getting both clear "straight" sound and reverb from the building, with the all complications of comb filtering and possible phase anomalies. If using just one pair of AB omnidirectional microphones with 45-60 cm spacing, I would have first simply tried the place between your 2 pairs in front of the organ, or about in the middle of the nave. Do you measure the distance between the mics so that you can delay/advance the signals accordingly?
When you walk around the cathedral there is a lot of low frequency background noice, possibly handling/movement noice from the mic. How is your monitoring, lacking true low end possibly (mine goes clear to 16 hz)? If a true subwoofer is out of the question how about reasonable quality monitoring headphones like Audio Technica ATH-M50X with witch you can catch those annoying low noises?
Kari - basically, I don't do anything scientific. I'm trying very hard not to over think my recordings because I record my sounds, and perform my music, in a way that just feels natural. It seems to be working as I've got a fair number of subscribers now. I'd love to learn about the science behind sound engineering as it's a real passion of mine, but at the minute I'm intentionally going with my own instincts and ability to almost 'see' the sound coming out of the organ.
Maybe one day I'll do the opposite and place my microphones very strategically :)
@@beautyinsound Sound recording IS science, but certainly not an exact one in spaces like this, where the reverb and balance can not really be exactly predicted for each spot in the cathedral. Certain "truths" still hold, like comb filtering and other interference anomalies caused by mixing several sets of microphones when aiming to control the straight/reflected sound balance. Wishing all the success for your projects.
Sorry, but the banal stupidity of having to wear a face nappy is something up with which I will not put. May as well place chain link fencing mesh around your house to keep mosquitoes and flies out. I was looking forward to this episode but I do not wish to be addressed by someone looking like a 3rd-rate bandit.
This is a commonly repeated, misconstrued analogy. Viruses do not have wings and so do not fly about like flies and mosquitoes. Rather, they ride on water vapor droplets and fomites. Masks are quite effective barriers to water droplets, and therefore to viruses riding on them. If you imagine mosquitoes and flies riding on tennis balls, you can understand how a chain link fence would stop them.
Also, nothing 3rd rate about Richard's efforts. I'm sure he would make a 1st rate bandit, if he so desired.
Thanks for your lovely comment Colin. How nice.
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