Comparing Turkey Choke Tubes: JEBS vs Carlson's Long Beard XR
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- In this video, we compare the JEBS HEADHUNTER vs Carlson's Long Beard XR choke tubes. I was very surprised at the results!
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I had the same reaction the first time I patterned the jebs. They are unbelievable!
What constriction was the Longbeard XR? You indicated the Jebs was .650 but I didn't see you indicate the Longbeard's constriction. You need to compare the same constrictions for a fair evaluation.
Are you cleaning the barrel and chokes between shots? Both those chokes have wad stopping rings machined into them and need to be cleaned after every shot to be a fair
comparison.
If I am hunting a state where I can kill multiple birds in a single day, I won't be stopping to clean. Example: Oklahoma and Kansas last year. Killed one, 2nd bird hung around for a shot.
Fox Hill Outdoors I’m referring to your test. I really love the targets you’re using but not for patterning/scope adjustments. You would be amazed at what you’re missing in pattern size by not using a big piece of paper or cardboard.
@@kevinrich9471 I have some bigger pieces of cardboard I was going to use but I forgot for this test.
Fox Hill Outdoors Did my patterning yesterday and cleaned the barrels and chokes between every shot. It’s amazing how much the chokes load up after one shot!
I wish I could post my pattern pictures!
Carlson long beard choke tube shoots tight out to 60 yards from my 870 with Winchester long beard XR 3” #6 shells. Picked it up on eBay for $35. Can’t beat the performance for the price out of my gun.
That's awesome. It's cool how each gun can prefer different chokes and shells. Good luck to you this season!
I have the Carlsons & I'm happy with it , shooting #5 3" Longbeard XRs.I think you should also do this test at at a real close range , because a choke can be too tight for really close ranges.I would like to see what they do at 10 yards or so.I'm good to about 55 yards with my carlsons with the load I use , & at 10 yards if I'm off target more than about an inch & a half , I might completely miss the bird.I wouldn't want to have less leeway than that.It's easy to pull a shot a little when you are excited & see a turkey.
100% agree with you rebelwof72. At the very end of the video, I did a shot at 20 yards to show the tightness of the pattern with the JEBS. In my opinion, the pattern wasn't too tight at that range. I only bought the JEBS bc of how well my first comparison video is doing. Thanks for watching, hope you subscribe! I'm hunting 5 states this year, 4 being brand new to me and all public land 👊🦊
I prefer #5 for turkeys as well. I feel like #6s look better on paper testing, but they don't hit as hard, and it's a noticeable difference in the field if you start to stretch the shots to the point where these choke tubes benefit you on paper. Inside 40 yards, you'll likely rarely notice. But 1 3/4 oz of #4 pattern tight at 40 yards with these chokes too, but lose pattern density much after that.
#5s I've rolled birds with at 60-65 paces just like they were inside 20 yards. That being said, while I switched over to longbeard xrs and get legit repeatable turkey killing patterns at 70-75 yards, the vast majority of the birds I've killed have all been within 30 yards, and a 2 3/4" game load with #6 shot would do exactly the same job. I bought a box of federal 3rd degree that was clearances at my local gander outdoors when it closed because they do pattern extremely well from 15-55+ yards, but I'd never pay full price for performance that I truly don't think is that special.
The 20 gauge 3rd degree may very well be the ultimate 20 gauge turkey load however. The longbeard xr pattern rediculously right inside 20-25, but at 50 they are legit performers. But I've missed birds with it inside 25 yards because of it. The 3rd degree loads will give you the 50 yard patterns that duplicate it, but inside 25 yards you get enough 'spray' to give you some cushion.
Jeff Jeff Jeff, that jebs is amazing. The only time I've seen a pattern like that at 55 yards was out of a 30" barreled 10 gauge goose gun with a Turkey choke in it. 👍👍 I'm sold. I might have to get a jebs before season comes in.
Dang man! I think my barrel is only 22" my Rem 11-87 has a 28" barrel. I'd be curious to see how 3.5" shells would do with JEBS!
sorry to be negative but in order to do a fair comparison you need to be shooting off bench to eliminate as much error as possible and you need to have sighted the gun to center the pattern to point of aim...for each load. this is evident especially on the Carlsons 55 yard shot where it is obvious that the pattern is high from point of aim.
I agree! Thanks for your insight. I will be doing more tests after my turkey tour and plan on making it as fair as possible for future comparison videos
.650 is an extremely tight constriction and may b why #6 performed so well?
Where can I get jebbs headhunter for the mossberg 500? I can’t seem to find it anywhere for that particular model.
I ordered from their website, I believe, and my gun is a 500.
Do you still have the Mossberg 500 Turkey Tactical in this video? If so what choke and shell combination did you finally settle on for the best pattern from 20-55 yards? I know the Jebs did a great job.
JEBS is the choke for that gun. Very happy with it
I like the Carlson pattern better, I don't blame a rifle round for a good group that is off bullseye, I just judge the group.
Exactly
I shoot the EXACT same Mossberg as you. One thing I've noticed is that it is more finicky than other turkey guns with regard to shells/chokes that work well with it due to it's shorter barrel. I've got mine tuned in using Hevi-Shot Magnum Blend and their choke tube after running a Carlson for a few years. The Carlson worked good out to 40 yards but then it began to spray...A LOT. Which, is usually fine here in KY where I hunt, but occasionally a bird will hang up 50-60 yards out and it's nice to be able to reach out and touch them now when I used to pass on that shot.
Wow buddy!😱 you made me a believer. I can't believe it. So I yes I know which choke tube you are going to use when you come to Maryland. I will definitely be getting one. Thanks a lot for sharing Jeff👍
Glad to help! what gun do you use Chip? That JEBS is legit lol
The last shot at 20 yards was quite a spread I wouldn't have expected. I use the Carlson's LB choke with LB#6's and at 20 yards it's a baseball. Same 835 too.
Interesting, I bought the same exact Jebs choke the .650 for my Beretta A400 and it just completely failed, it shot a pattern large enough to fill up my 30inx30in cardboard pattern board, I shot it as well at 30 yards. O shoot Magnum Blend 3 1/2 inch 2 1/4 oz. 5,6,7
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Each gun shoots differently. It's interesting to me that they are all unique. Hopefully you can find the right set-up for your gun
I ordered a Jebs headhunter last week based on this video. I'm pretty happy with my .660 Carlson but I want a little bit tighter pattern at distance (and I enjoy testing different chokes) so I'm hoping the .650 jebs will give me that. Only thing I would like to point out to everyone is how low the Carlson choke patterned at 55 yards. One of the pellets even hit the gopro which was several feet below and in front of the target. Look at the Carlson's target at 05:44. Now imagine if he had aimed higher and the entire target looked like the bottom 4" of that target. It would be a lot more comparable to the Jebs then... When testing at 50+ yards it would be nice to have a target large enough to show the entire pattern. Still a very nice video...
Did the .650 Jebs give you what your looking for?
@charleswitfoth9490 If you go to my channel, I made a video comparing the jebs to the carlson. It's actually not quite as tight of a pattern as the Carlson, but it's more uniform out of my gun.
@@mdees88 thanks man
Great comparison video this video should blow up
Thanks John! I'm hoping it does well, I'm proud of this one. My first choke comparison video has done much better than I imagined!
I like your review but it's still not a fair test. If ya want a fair comparison both chokes should be .660. Your shooting a much tighter choke with that jebs. Wish I could put up a pick for ya at 50 with the carlson xr and #5. Same pattern as the jebs if not tighter with .660 constriction
I did state that it was *not completely fair due to major constriction differences. Each gun is unique in the fact that they all prefer a certain load and/or choke combo. I appreciate your feedback!
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 oh sorry. Guess I missed that part. My bad. Did enjoy the video though.
@@quackkiller7774 no worries! Thanks for stopping in 👊🦊
Great video!!! Jeb's looks like it's AWESOME!! Thanks for the review on the choke tubes!!
No problem man! 👊🦊
Man that Jeb's is super tight and on point!
Yes sir I was very happy with it!
Thanks for the video good stuff. I have a kicks that works well in my Benelli m1. What is the barrel length ?
Thank you! It has a 20" barrel
My stoeger m3500 came with a turkey choke I take out to pattern with a few loads this weekend. I'll check out these chokes though
I do these videos because a lot of people want "the best" choke they can get. Truth be told, you can kill them with any choke.
Turkey Down! Love it brother! Gotta get some of those targets too, sweet. Thanks for comparing, saved me a ton of money.
Right on Jinx! I got those targets at Rural King, they are awesome! Glad you found it useful buddy!
what size of pellets can be shoted from JEBS "Head Hunter" Turkey Choke .650?
Idk their exact recommendations, but most states allow 4-7 shot. I prefer 5 or 6 shot pellets
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 and if state has no restriction it can shoot every size? i mean #2 or B or BB or BBBB or buck shots also ? because on their site there is no info about that. shalvakhechoshvili7@gmail.com
Will this choke work on a maverick 88 if so can i get the details on which one to get exactly (jebs)
If you are interested in the JEBS, ho to their website. Should be a place to select your gun so you know which thread pattern to buy
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 thanks
Awesome video!! I chose the Indian Creek choke over the Jebs in my guns!!
I was planning on making a video comparing the two. Thanks for watching 👊🦊
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 that would be Awesome, every gun is different and for the money it's hard to beat the longbeard xr's there good shells!! keep the videos coming
I haven't tested every combination possible but .650 maybe best suited to no6 shot and .660-.665 suited to no5 shot
That certainly could be true. I did the test with this particular shell bc it is my preferred shell. Win Longbeard XR's are the best bang for their buck in my opinion.
Dude love the video, I switched from a Carlson’s to Jebs .650 same as you. Try the mag version of that 3in shell, you drop down to 1050 FPS but DAMN the extra bb’s, it’s marked 3in but says mag load XR. Well worth it
Thanks man! I will have to look into that load, never seen it. My 11-87 likes the XR #6 in 3.5"
Have you tried patterning #5 longbeard out of the jebs? Curious to see if it patterns better worse or the same
Nice video. I want one and tried to contact jebs to see what they recommended a ported or non ported. No one answered and haven't return call.
Which choke did you use for this video? Thxs
Ported. Ported tubes are supposed to have less muzzle jump and recoil
Thxs
Jebs responded to me by email I never tried to call. Maybe you will have luck with email
Love my Long Beard XR’s
I do too. Switched to them 3 years ago and love them. Thanks for watching 👊🦊
Just received my jebs headhunter and went to screw it into my barrel and it would not screw in. Went to the place that I bought my shotgun and a Carlson's screwed right in. Contacted jebs and they couldn't explain my situation. Bought the Carlson's tube and sending the jebs back. Disappointed because I was looking forward to using the jebs.
Maybe they labeled the package incorrectly? Sorry that happened to you! The Carlsons will certainly get the job done though!
Great comparison buddy. Good shooting!
Thank you 👊🦊
Awesome vid bud !!!! Might have to look into One of those Jebbs choke tubes
I was very happy with it! I got the decal in the mail! Thank you so much for the card and decal buddy!
Fox Hill Outdoors you’re welcome bud ! Glad it got there
Hey great vid! im using a moss 500 aswell with the Carlson's choke and it won't pattern aswell as yours did at 30 yrds. I also used the longbeards in a 5 shot. Any tips?
Return the choke and try a different one. Or you could try a different shell or shot size
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 Well this is depressing, just bought the Carlson!
@@jessemccarthy05 it will still kill birds man. I only bought the JEBS for the content lol make sure you sub! My season kicks off in a couple days! 5 states scheduled and 9 tags!
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 subbed, looking forward to it brother! Hammered one with the bow last week here in FL. Good luck and looking forward to the vids. God Bless!
@@jessemccarthy05 that's awesome man! Congrats and thank you
Those shoot n see targets are awesome. Great product review!
Yeah those targets are great! Picked them up at Rural King
Cool video man. With a ton of good info keep it up
Thanks J-Dubb's! 👊🦊
My Mossberg 835 did not like the Carlson’s XR choke shooting #6 LB XR loads. Took it back to BPS for refund.
Yeah each gun is unique for sure. Hope you find the right fit!
I did some shooting yesterday and my factory choke is a .670 LOL. that jebs is .650. I got some good results but I think they would have been even better with the JEBS. Nice video.
Huge difference. My my factory tube was. 670 also
Interesting video however my complaint is this. When guys present these videos on patterning you need to should off a stationary, stable rest. Otherwise the data is somewhat flawed
The results are flawed regardless because each shotgun shoots differently. Shooting from a table certainly would provide a more steady platform though
Will you be shooting off of a table when out hunting?
@@nathanwilson413 No, of course not. However when initially shooting a gun you need ascertain what the it can do with human error removed. Common sense really
Agreed
Don't get me wrong, I love longbeard xr and run it in my 535 with the Mossberg .670 turkey choke. I get legit repeatable 70+ yard patterns. And there's enough lead in the 3.5" shells to get a little spread in the 15-25 yard range.
That being said, I have a stoeger 3020 20 gauge with a factory turkey choke, and while on paper, the longbeards are nasty and give me legit 50 yard turkey patterns, inside 20-25 yards it patterns legitimately too tight. There's not enough surrounding "sprayed" pellets to give any 'head bob' cushion. I actually switched to federal grand slam flitecontrol flex 1 5/16oz loads because I have a 1 foot wide pattern at 22 yards (cause that's where the target got put, no significance just was ranged after put out) while still having fully adequate 40 yard patterns and killing 45 yard patterns. I agree with you when you say you don't need aftermarket tubes or specialty shells to kill turkeys inside 30 yards. My 3020 puts out truly impressive 30 yard patterns with a 2 3/4" 1oz #6 high brass game loads. And my father until last year ran a factory full choke and Remington nitro turkeys in his 500, and has killed dozens of birds inside about 40 yards with it.
You should try the same restriction. Seems apples and oranges comparison
Correct. I mention that in the video.
Watch the video. Then tell me if the .650 JEBS is worth $50 more than the .660 Carlson. Each person has to make that decision for themselves.
It' may not be worth it? It may not even be better in the same restriction? I have a .650 but never shot a jebbs. I do have a factory and heavy shot .665. the carlson shoots better but once again I'm comparing apples and oranges. Before I bought 100.00 jebbs I'd shoot .650 carlson myself
@@andrewbuchanan6483 every load, gun and choke combination is different. I have 2 turkey guns. One with .270 restriction and one with .255. The .270 gun shoots just as tight as the gun with .255.
Well what happen when u put the same .650 in the.670 gun? Did the 670 gun get even tighter? Or are u making reference it got wider? Or did you never try a .650 in the gun with .670 in it?
Great choke comparison video brother
Thanks Coffey Outdoors! I hope this one does as well as my first one. Shooting vids have really done well on my channel
There’s the proof invest in a good choke Indian creek or jebs and for price point and performance shoot longbeard and save your money plus you get ten shells instead of 5 and finally I hope everyone stays healthy for a great 2020 season!
Exactly. I refuse to buy TSS for that reason. Thanks for watching! Goodluck to you and be safe buddy
Nice review and comparisons
Thank you! This video is killing it for me
That long bear ammo really performs well! Nice poke at 55!!
Can't beat it for the price. TSS is too pricey for my blood lol
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 lol yeah it sure is
It’s wild how much the gun makes a difference, I own a mossberg 930 and the Carlson patterned better than any choke I ever owned. Like almost too tight 😂
whats the constriction on the Jebs choke tube?
.650
I just did some Turkey scouting I got a lot of nice birds in my area🦃🦃🦃
That is awesome! I saw you posted that video earlier. Going to watch it here soon or first thing in the morning!
Make sure you leave me a comment what you think I really appreciate that the input would be great🦃
Great video
6’s at 55 in the body arent going to penetrate like you think to hit vitals
That choke works well in your gun don't mean going to work in mine all guns like different chokes and loads
Yes. I'm fairly certain that was mentioned in the video
Kinda funny how you say don't waist your money on carlson that your 100 percent sold on jebs
Correct. I made an opinion on a product that was tested by me, for my gun lol
I'm new here, I'm totally subscribing, I really like it here, God bless you and keep you safe
Thank you and God Bless! 👊🦊
Wish he would of used the same constriction valued chokes for this test
I will be doing more videos like this where they will have the same constriction. Will be doing those soon so make sure to sub so you can see
I hunt turkey with a maverick 88 12ga(essentially a mossberg 500) the Jeb's cost almost more than the gun.
If you are satisfied with the current choke, then don't worry about changing. I only did the test out of curiosity lol but glad I did!
A good comparison! 👍
Thank you 👊🦊
You are not doing the leg work for anybody. Every gun will shoot different no matter how identical things are. Your 500 loves the Jebs! Mine does not, mine shoots an Indian Creek. My Benelli hates an Indian Creek but loves a Comp-N-Choke. My 835 hates a Kicks but loves the Carlsons. EVERY gun is different and people should put in their own work to find out what choke and shell combo works best out of their personal gun
I agree that every gun patterns different with each shell and choke. However, this video may give new hunters a starting point to work from. Thanks for tuning in! Sub to the channel, I'm hunting 5 states this year. Hoping to cross 4 more states off the map.
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 hopefully your coming to md. The eastern Shore birds are a challenge public land Tuckahoe State Park. I got private land in southern md.
also the sweet spot in md.
@@DFox-ud3gx I actually am hunting public land in MD this year!
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 lots of turkeys in md I can't wait to watch you in md.lol
I’m sold! I’m going to order one for my model 500 👍🙂
Hope it works well for you! 👊🦊
It is actually a fair comparison ... you're a bad shot... like the rest of us and you are showing us which tube gives us amateurs the best chance at a turkey! Thanks.
Might have to get one for my Mossberg 930 JM Pro.
Let me know how you like it!
Thanks!
Hello Jeff, I'm using the Kicks choke for about 5 years it's crazy good also.
I think all Turkey cokes will work but, I went with kicks
on my bennelli SBE $59.00
not a bad deal 🦃
I agree you dont need a different choke but people love these videos lol
Not really a fair comparison. 660 vs 650.
That's correct. I believe I said the point was to see if each choke was worth there particular price point. Thanks for watching.
I agree. Of coarse there’s a difference in constriction. The Jebs is a tighter choke. I use a Carlson’s 665. At 45 yds. with the same ammo I get a great pattern. Dead turkey all the way.
I completely disagree with you. The carlson is CLEARLY tighter regardless of how many bbs are in the head after you shot your unsighted in gun in your 1st round
Ok. Thanks for watching
Brother the JEBS @ 30 yds. wasn't THAT much better. Also if you would use a bigger target (say 3'x3') you would be able to see your entire pattern. Not to mention the JEBS is going to be shooting tighter because it's a .650 vs .660 with the Carlson's. I'm sorry to say but this video is an interesting but not definitive.
The purpose of the different videos I've done on Choke Tubes is determine if they are worth there particular price points. I'm comparing apples to oranges in this video. The constriction difference is huge. The targets on camera may look similar, but what you can't see on camera, is the amount of pellets that were stacked on each other.
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 Gotcha!!!👍👍👍
I’ve got Carlsons but you sold me on the Jebs as soon as you shot it at 55
The carlson's shoots just as well as the Jebs in my Stoeger. If anyone wants my Jebs hmu half price
Long beard xr shells are more critical than aftermarket chokes imo☝
U should have had the camera pointing at the target from your position so we can get a better idea of how far u shooting
I believe I mentioned before each series of shots, how far the target was.
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 I don't know what 30 yards looks like honestly. Only 16 new to shooting but I will work on it
@@mikerotch6733 oh I gotcha! You can step it off. You need to train your eyes to judge distances. Stand at an inanimate object, then take 30 steps, slightly longer than your normal pace. Turn around and look at that object. That will give you a ballpark idea 👍
Save your money on Jeb’s choke and buy an Indian creek choke tube!!! Do that test Jeb’s VS Indian creek!!!?
That's my plan actually! Thanks for the input 👍👊🦊
I have a mossberg 835 & 935. This year with longbeard xr I have tested primos jellyhead maximum .690, Carlson longbeard xr .683, Wildside armory .680, hevishot turkey .676, Indian creek .675 & Jebs .655. I have but haven’t tested the patternmaster code black .665. At 45 yards the Jebs and Indian creek are winning without a doubt. All chokes would have killed the turkey but they patterns were better with them
Oh wow that's a lot of chokes! I only bought the JEBS bc of how well my last comparison video went with the Carlson's. I'm definitely glad I did though! Sub to the channel bc there should be a lot of great hunting this year! Heading to 4 new states!
Way too many and I have too much money tied up in it but I have learned a lot They all shoot different. For example the Carlson and hevishot shoots right. Wildside shoots left primos is fairly center. Indian creek center but low Jebs was pretty center and hair high with factory sights and what I’m using so far on 935. 835 will be scopes and chokes with whatever is 2nd best for now
Worst part my dad told me buy the Jebs to begin with
@@heathalford4721 parents tend to be right more times than not! Good life lesson there that I have certainly learned the hard way at times lol
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 the patternmaster code black turkey ended up on the 835. It is a great choke also.
let's keep our 2nd
Appreciate your efforts. However, there’s 2 things that make for a poor test comparison. Smaller pellets constrict much better, thus favoring the #6 and .650. Also, if the Carlson was a .650, you would have a much more even comparison. Always, always shoot a rest to take the human error out of the equation to know the true POI. Never was clear how you counted pellets......
Inconsistent shooting...results are void
Cool man
Thanks man 👊🦊
Beautiful upload friend.....
Super like 👍♥️, #520
Wow! Makes me wanna try one in my browning! I sent you an email about a pot call. Let me know if you didn’t get it? Thanks for sharing!
I got it buddy, I'll text you soon! Yeah I like how well it patterned
What Browning choke does your gun take?? Mine takes the investor plus and I purchased a jebs and it works just like what you see in the video.
NC Life Outdoors mine takes the inventor DS choke tubes
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 is there a chance you might part w the Carlson choke?
@@andrewsparks4726 yeah man, anything is for sale
I wish you would have made this video a month ago lol. I just bought the carlson.
The Carlson's will kill birds for sure. Plus each gun patterns differently. $50 bucks for a choke tube is a good price
I shoot the Carlson out of my gun and love it, like fox hill said, each gun shoots a little differently with each choke. The Carlson choke with longbeard XR’s will kill birds out to 50 yards no problem, I have a 26” barrel as well so I’m not sure if that has any effect but the Carlson might work better out of a gun with a longer barrel compared to the 22” turkey guns
The Carlson is a great a choke. If you look at the pattern at 55 yds he missed way low with Carlson and even hit his gopro. Look at the bottom 4" of the Carlson target at 5:44. If he had aimed higher the entire target would look like that which is very comparable to the Jebs. I just recently bought a Jebs and my Carlson shoots tighter patterns at 40yds.
Long beard xr it is! If u would’ve shot higher it would look the same ! Save 50$ and don’t listen to this bs
POA didn't change, and I have nothing to gain from promoting one product vs. another. The only bs is you being cynical.
@@foxhilloutdoors2134 bro tho whole pattern was low!
Fk shot count ...just look at your patterns and go with what's best ...both birds are smoked
What size shot are you shooting
3" #6 shot