The hopper shutoff looks like it would be ideal for changing out beans as desired (e.g. regular to decaf). I can't find the extra hoppers though on your site. Do you sell them separately?
I like that this does not have a long internal chute that is difficult to access like in the Atom, Zenith and Olympus. The build of this is impressive and might be a great match to my ECM espresso machine.
I have this grinder and feel the grill inside the chute holds a lot of coffee grind and play with the accuracy When using automatic fonction. I tried to add water to humidify my grind and it doesn’t make any difference. Also grind retention are almost 3 grams which feels a lot. Any suggestion?
@@Wholelattelovepage Those sweet memories of our loved ones are still there through their cherished possessions and so looking to follow that path even in a simple household item is endearing and special! Of course it symbolises a quality of a bygone era as well... Keep those videos up I think I've watch over 50 hours of your channel over the past week! Perfect presentation and info, thanks!
Marc - I am struggling with selecting between the Titan (looks, matches with synchronika) and the ceado 37s (ease of use, better reviews). Any advice from WLL or others here? Thanks!
Hi a, The Titan is gorgeous and lower price than E37S. That said, with larger burrs grind quality is better out of the E37S. If price and look doesn't matter I'd go E37S - it's what we use as our reference grinder. Marc
Hey Jake, Thanks for the question. If $$ not a concern I'd go with the E37S. It has much larger 83mm burrs and is a lot easier to open up with no loss of grind size adjustment. It has somewhat lower retention as well. I prefer the Ceado controls which gives you 3 timed presets and the display is easily visible from above when opertaing the grinder. Also prefer the larger more robust grind size adjustment mechanism of the E37S. When I do our technique videos I could choose just about any grinder and my go to and favorite is the E37S. Hope that helps!Marc
Great grinder, great presentation. I have a question you don't mind: people always say 'invest in a good grinder', however, what is the minimum standar of a good grinder for home espresso lover? The reason I ask this question is that the standard and price of 'a good grinder' can be no ceiling or the ceiling is too high for many people. If you could point to one or two specific grinders that meet the minimum standard, that would be great. I would guess that one of which is Baratza Sette? Thanks.
Hi EK, Thanks for the kind comment and question. The Sette is a good grinder. Just be aware it's an appliance grade construction and rather loud in operation. I have this video comparing the 3 Sette models: ruclips.net/video/FzhtwrmB-60/видео.html In my eyes a "good grinder" can dose into a PF, has stepless grind size adjustment, has a timing function and a build quality with little or no plastic. To lower cost grinders that meet those requirements are the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder and the Eureka Mignon Silenzio: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/eureka-mignon-silenzio-16cr-grinder-in-matte-black Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I was not aware that there are 3 Settes, despite having a Baratza grinder (Virtuoso+) at home. Sette 270wi is cool. Personally, I would choose Eureka Mignon Silenzio, merely because I already have a Baratza (and a made in Taiwan flay burrs grinder) and want to try a different brand. I am sure the Bezzera grinder is good too but nowadays 'an instagrammable look' of a coffee tool is important, so I would put it after Silenzio and Sette on the prioritization list.
Hi Marc, just received my Titan..What would be a good reference point for a single shot of coffee.in comparison to T2 -4secs for a double..And what would you recommend as a grind starting point..for a) single shot b) double..?
😀 Another great review Marc, thank you. Could you please tell me if you were grinding at #2 - would the 2 on the adjustment ring be in line with the (flat) screw at the front of the grinder?
Hi Don, Thanks for the comment. Did this video a long time ago so I do not remember the setting. Be aware that numbers on grinders are just references. So a 2 on my grinder will not produce precisely the same grind size as 2 on someone else's.
Hi Marc, I think i have found the reference point on the titan after using a Kg of coffee. while adjusting the grind while its running it seems a bit hard to turn the worm wheel is this normal..? Seems easier to turn while the grinder is off..
Hi J, Interesting... I suppose the grinding action may provide some resistance to grind adjustment when running. A lot depends on which way you are adjusting. With many grinders, the only way to adjust finer is with the grinder running. There's a limit to how far you can crush the beans adjusting finer without the grinder running. And, on some grinders adjusting finer without the grinder running can cause the grinder not to start next time as the motor (start capacitor actually) will not have enough juice to start turning against what's in between the burrs. Adjusting coarser should not be a problem with the grinder off.
Hi tokanews, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question! They are too close to call as far as grind quality. It comes down to style preference and level of use. I'd prefer the ECM for home use and go with the Ceado for heavy use situations. The ECM is a style winner while the Ceado is a rugged beast.
Hi MUQ, Thanks for the question. Both are excellent grinders. For the Titan I prefer the incredibly precise worm gear driven grind size adjustment and the titanium coated burrs will grind more than a lifetime of coffee for the typical home user. Also a cleaner look without a display staring you in the face. But, some like the display of the Eureka grinders and they are among the easiest to change the grind time programming on. I find grind size adjustment is a little touchier on the Zenith grinder with the small knob. In my experience a relatively small turn of the knob makes a proportionally larger change in grind size than an equivalent turn of the worm gear on the Titan. If you are one that will open up the grinding chamber on a regular basis it's easier to do on the Zenith. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any more questions. Marc
I'm on the market for a new espresso machine and I'm thinking of pairing the ECM Synchronika with this grinder. One of the grinder reviews on the Whole Latte Love website states the following: " It is beautiful and well made grinder. It is like a tank. But you need to be aware that it is not for single dosing." Can someone from WLL address the "not made for single dosing" claim? What does this mean?
Hi TEX, Thanks for the question. Single dosing refers to weighing beans prior to grinding, putting in the grinder and grinding them all with the expectation you'll get within a few tenths of a gram less on the output. Single dosing grinders are designed specifically for that purpose and have very low grind retention. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi, I’m using this machine but beans stuck between the middle bar and bottom gear. It sometime cannot grind because the ground pounders are sticking in the machine and it cannot push out from the machine. I was advised to adjust toward the fine from the engineers but it’s not course enough if I do it. Have you ever heard this incident?
Hi y, If adjusting from coarser to finer more than a hair you need to have the grinder running when doing so to prevent beans being crushed between the burrs which can cause a no start of the motor. Marc
Hi Marc, I went ahead and purchased the v-Titan and I’m using it with VST baskets. It seems I’m getting a bit of clumping. I’m using 7 day old roasted quality beans. Any hints at why I might be getting clumping? Grinds in your vid look fine. Also how do I retain the grin setting when cleaning? Thanks in advance!
Hi Marc. How easy is it to fish out the retained grounds behind the shute's anti static grid? Would a couple of pulses on/off be enough to eject them? Or is it possible to brush them out through the grill in combination with the pulsing. Thanks
Hi lM, Sorry for the delayed response. Somehow missed your question. IMO the Titan is overkill but if you might upgrade machine at some point it should be a consideration. Marc
Hi XA, Thanks for the questions. I love the dosing funnel on the Titan! it drops coffee into a PF so perfectly. The S-A does a fine job as well but doesn't quite match the Titan. In shooting the video I ground many 18g doses and rarely had even a speck of coffee on the tray. The funnel Titan gives a little extra hang time before the grinds hit the PF which IMO results in a fluffier fill. I have not had a chance to test the dosing consistency of the S-A. My guess is it's a little less consistent. I was a little surprised the Titan matched the dosing weight consistency of timed grinding on a Ceado E37s - a grinder I use as a benchmark. That prop in the grind chamber helps assure a constant flow of beans to the burrs. Titan is very impressive and a definite step up from the S-A.
Hi MA, Thanks for the question. The Titan is more of an espresso focused grinder. It could grind for pour over, but espresso focused grinders tend to produce more fines at larger grind sizes. Depends on how particular you are with your pour overs. Another thing to be aware of: you'll be doing a lot of turning of the grind adjustment knob to go from espresso size to pour over. Getting back to espresso after changing is going to be a bit of a pain. Marc
Hi Leonardo, Before I answer, A heads up... I featured your question (and called you out by name) about the Jack Leveler in this video posted today: ruclips.net/video/L81honj38tw/видео.html Thanks for the question!!! It's a tough call between those grinders! both are 64mm burr, Titan is 450 watts, E37J is 300 watts. I'f you didn't guess from the video, I love the vintage look of the Titan. If you're the sort of person who will be opening up your grinder a lot for cleaning I'd go with the Ceado. With it's sealed threads and no loss of grind setting when removing the upper burr assembly it's far easier/faster to clean. Personally I'd probably go with the Titan and put up with the extra work opening it up. I just love the look of it - especially if sitting next to a mirror finished prosumer espresso machine. The Titanium burrs will last a lifetime and will still be sharp and capable after more than 1,000 lbs. of grinding. Marc
Hi Marc - Great Video!! Thanks for the thorough explanation of this Grinder. Can you explain to me what they mean when they say you need to "Season" a new grinder before use?? Does this mean you just have to run some beans through the machine before use (right from the box)? Also, would this grinder be OK in a Commercial setting? For example a small Espresso Stand and a local Farmers market doing Single Origins and an Espresso Blend - Espresso's and Milk Drinks only...nothing too fancy. Thanks if you can help me out and keep up the great work! (Steve from New Zealand)
Hi stephen, You are welcome for the video and thank for the comment and question. The V-Titan is considered light commercial grade so would work for a lower volume operation as you describe. A couple of things going on with seasoning and I would not worry much about it. The character of the grind will change slightly during the first few kg of grinding as the burrs get coated with coffee oils and the burr edges will dull ever so slightly. What that means is a bit more static initially and potentially more fines in the grind. But heck espresso is a fine grind anyway! IMO 99 out of 100 espresso drinkers would never know the difference. It's not like you to run kgs of coffee through the grinder before serving. Plus your customers will be too stunned by the very cool retro look of the Titan! Marc
Hi KZ, Thanks for the video suggestion. Will add it to the production cue. In the meantime, 2 cleaning methods. First is using Urnex Grindz: www.wholelattelove.com/urnex-grindz-grinder-cleaner You just put the product in the hopper and grind to remove accumulated oils etc. Second method is more thorough. Remove the 2 screws that secure the worm gear adjustment, then turn the adjustment to coarse setting until the top burr removes. You then have access to the grinding chamber as shown at 4 minutes in the video. Inside, use a brush etc to clean things up. When re-assembling this type of grinder the threads of the adjustment collar must be very clean to avoid binding. Sometimes need to take a pin/needle to clean out the threads.
Hi Steve, Titan is really an espresso specialist but grind can go baby powder Turkish to Press coarse. I would not suggest it to someone looking for multiple brew methods (unless you have 2 of them!). With the worm gear it's a lot of turning to get to grind size for different brew methods. Worm gear comes of with 2 crews and collar adjust freely - but it would be a real pain doing that all the time.
Thank you Marc for the informative review of the ECM V-Titan 64!I received my ECM V-Titan 64 a few days ago from WLL and was spending quite a bit of time dialing in the grind and timing to get a good shot.I was wondering what the approximate grind setting did you have where the t2=4 seconds yielded about 18g of coffee? There is a short frame in the video where I could see the setting to be at about "2", but would appreciate your confirmation and any comments you may have with regards to grind setting.Thank you very much,Rudolf
Hi Rudolf, You are welcome for the video and thanks for your comment and question. My setting was ~2 notches to the right of 2 using the allen head screw at front below the collar as reference. Do understand that grind setting numbers are somewhat arbitrary. It's possible but unlikely the setting I used will produce the same weight result on your Titan. Many variables are involved which affect the weight. Changing out to a different coffee or aging of the coffee will produce a different weight at the same grind setting. Also it's possible to attach the notched/numbered adjustment collar to the burr in 3 different positions which are 120 degrees apart so there could be as much as two thirds of a rotation of the collar difference between your Titan and mine. My advice is to dial-in your grind to produce a good shot. There are various ways of doing that. What I would do is use a grind time that fills a double shot basket to the top when leveled. That should put you at about 18g. Pull a shot and use timing (20-30sec from first drip) and/or visual appearance (color and crema production) to appraise the shot. If it's coming too fast or blonding out early adjust the grind finer. To slow, adjust coarser. each grind size adjustment will change the weight dosed so you may need to adjust the grind time a bit to compensate. I hope this helps. If you have more questions I'll be happy to help! Enjoy your beautiful New Titan! Marc
I followed Marc's recommendations above successfully (Thank you Marc!) and ended up with "four notches to the left from 2", with the allen head screw in the front of the collar as reference. For the beans I was using, the t2 grind time was 4.9 s for 18 g, which produced a very nice double shot of about 2 ounces in 28 seconds measured after the first drip. The first drip came out after 5 s. So to respond directly to your question, I'm using the allen head screw as reference and count the number of notches (teeth) on the adjustment collar. And as Marc pointed out, there is always a bit of adjustment needed to optimize the many variables in the espresso making process. Cheers, Rudolf
could you show a video on cleaning of the burrs / machine and re-calibrating this. Also would be nice to have a comparison video against the Proftiec Pro T64, Ceado 37s and Rocket) faulsto (or any other comparison grinder in this category
Hi Alex, Thanks for the suggestions! We do have videos on the T64 and just did a new one on the updated E37S and E37J. Here's a link to that: ruclips.net/video/SauHkzegeg8/видео.html Here's our T64 review: ruclips.net/video/fGxVZc2Igww/видео.html Cleaning burrs and calibrating the Titan is fairly straightforward. Remove the worm gear and twist out the adjustment collar. Use a stiff brush to clean the burrs and grinding chamber - can use a vacuum to gather dust etc. Be careful when turning the adjustment collar back on. The threads are very fine so cross-threading can happen. Best to turn counterclockwise until you feel or hear the threads drop into alignment before turning clockwise to engage. Never force anything when turning the ring back in. If you feel undue resistance turn it back out and try again. To calibrate, get the adjustment ring most of the way turned in. Then turn the grinder on and continue to turn in until you just hear the burrs touch and back off a hair until that noise goes away. That position is your "zero" setting. re-attach the worm gear and you're done. Don't worry about the burrs touching when doing the calibration. They are designed such that the sharp blades do not make contact.
You're welcome. It will vary depending on the type of beans you are grinding, how particular you are and the amount of coffee ground. If using dark roast beans with visible surface oils it'll be much more frequent than beans with a lighter roast. Best way to determine is a visual inspection and clean when you observe residue build up.
Intriguing about the Ceado E37Z RPM adjustability and how that may play a role in extraction.... Makes me wonder what the RPMs for all other grinders, and what would be a favorable RPM?
Hi Alvin, It is intriguing! According to Ceado's research best RPM is different depending on type of coffee being ground. So yet another variable in espresso! Marc
Love your reviews and I'm def sold on getting the Synchronika, because of you! Question for you, is the main difference between the Titan 64 and the S Automatik only the burr material? Also, which would you prefer? Salut
Hi Trey, Thanks for the comment! Synchronika is a fine machine!!! As for the grinders... Burr material as you mentioned. Other differences: The T64 uses a worm gear to adjust grind size. I find it allows for more precise grind size adjustment. Dosing thru the funnel it yields a fluffier grind and more even distribution in PF. T64 has a PF hook so don't have to hold the PF when grinding. Finish quality is nicer on the T64. The S Auto has an odd seem in the case on the front which I'm not a fan of. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Great review. Is it true on the timed function that the minimum manual dose is 2 seconds? Meaning there is no way to get a quick top up less than 2 seconds while in timed mode. Understand in manual maiden that’s easy
Hi Mathew, Thanks for the comment and question. When using timed grinding It's less than a 1 second minimum when bumping for a top off. Timed grinding uses a portafilter activated switch to start. 1 press for a single, 2 quick presses for a double. To bump a dose you'd do 3 quick presses. Depends on how fast you can press but I just tried on the V-Titan in our employee lounge and I'm at about half a second. As you mentioned manual is easy as grinder only runs when switch is pushed in by the PF. Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks for that, very helpful indeed. It’s a real vote that you’re using it in the employee lounge as well. I’ve recently purchased a Synchronika and I’m trying to work out the quality of the grind versus a niche zero. I know they are very different workflows but in terms of grind quality do you know how it compares?
Hi TV, Unlikely there is something wrong with the grinder. Here are a couple of things to look at: Check the positioning of the worm gear. 2 screws hold the mechanism to the top of the grinder. These can be loosened and the position of the worm gear changed for better engagement. Have you ever taken the top burr out of the grinder? There's an O ring which prevents ground coffee from getting into the threads of the top burr adjustment. When removing the top burr, coffee can get into the threads. Before putting the top burr back in the threads must be perfectly clean or the burr adjustment can become difficult to adjust or bind completely. In the past I've used a pin to clean the threads of residual coffee dust. Again, they must be free of any coffee residue. Bonus tip: When re-installing a top bur with a threaded collar always turns the burr counterclockwise until you feel and/or hear the burr drop down slightly indicating the threads are in alignment before turning clockwise to run the burr back in. This helps prevent cross-threading which can happen. If you ever feel resistance when turning a burr back in, stop and turn the burr out and clean the threads again. Hope this helps! Marc
Hi Duane, So lots of people love their Mazzer grinders. They're fine but I'm not in the loving it crowd. In my experience they can be difficult to adjust. Threads in the adjustment collar tend to get gummed up with coffee as they are not as well isolated from the grinding chamber as are the Titan's or grinders from others like Ceado. Also dislike the top burr being carried on the 3 springs in the Mazzer. Cleaning a Mazzer is a bit of a pain. I've lost or sucked up those springs with a vacuum more than once. As for specs, both are 64mm burrs with the titanium coated burrs in the Titan being an upgrade. The Mazzer has a 350 watt motor compared to 450 watt in the Titan. With its standard hopper the Mazzer is a good 5" taller than the Titan. Warranty is 1 year on the Mazzer and 2 years on the Titan. As for build, the Mazzer is a rock. Titan is solid as well but has a beauty/elegance beyond the Mazzer. Hope that helps! Marc
Esa lamentablemente no traen a Chile. Tampoco vi una tienda para importarla. Termine comprando en Italia una Eureka Mignon XL. Espero tener esa ECM algún día.
Translated: That unfortunately they do not bring to Chile. I also did not see a store to import it. I ended up buying a Eureka Mignon XL in Italy. I hope to have that NDE one day. The Titan is a beauty! Unfortunate it's not available in Chile but the Mignon XL is a very good grinder! ¡El Titán es una belleza! Desafortunadamente, no está disponible en Chile, ¡pero el Mignon XL es un molinillo muy bueno! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Last question. If we are to compare the ECM V Titian, does the "Ceado E37S" also come in 120? And will I have to buy an extra set of Burrs and when would I change them? I make one latte every morning.
Mark, What is conspicuously missing in your review is RETENTION. Every other grinder you have reviewed has mentioned the all important RETENTION. Can you please reveal your findings on the RETENTION of this grinder. Thank you so much!
Hi David, Thanks for the question. While I have not measured retention in every grinder I have done many but not the V-T64. Having opened up the grinder I estimate it's about the same as others with a similar design. Probably ~2g. Sorry I cannot be more precise. Marc
For this kind of money design should be better - you can't see the display when in use because the portafilter is right in front of it, the lightly etched numbers on the gear are barely readable due to low contrast and the fact that they are tucked under the hopper over hang. The grinder adjustment handle is at the back- if tucked beside the coffee maker - at it will in most spaces it is hard to reach and it is a smooth piece of metal with no grip - which it would have if it had a texture, rubber grip or knob. The position of the handle is nearly impossible for left handers - the ceado and others with the knob at the front are mostly located on the right but still far easier to grab right or left handed. To dispense a double you tap the button twice? and what about the variable time of half a second or a quarter of a second or,....whatever between the button pushes? Really display should be up top and there should be a button to chose single or double. I would choose the ceado 37s - other than that here in Canada it is about $900 more.
appreciate the detailed review and your enthusiasm and yes, the comparison to the blender is spot on
Hey JR, You'rew qwelcome and thanks for the comment!
Marc
The hopper shutoff looks like it would be ideal for changing out beans as desired (e.g. regular to decaf). I can't find the extra hoppers though on your site. Do you sell them separately?
Hi Jason, We currently have 3 hoppers ECM hoppers available. These are not listed on the site. You can order be calling 888-411-5282.
I like that this does not have a long internal chute that is difficult to access like in the Atom, Zenith and Olympus. The build of this is impressive and might be a great match to my ECM espresso machine.
I have this grinder and feel the grill inside the chute holds a lot of coffee grind and play with the accuracy When using automatic fonction. I tried to add water to humidify my grind and it doesn’t make any difference. Also grind retention are almost 3 grams which feels a lot. Any suggestion?
Loved the correlation between the 1950s blender to the grinder. Spot on!
Hi Elliot, Thanks for the comment. Grandmother not around anymore but I still have her awesome blender!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Those sweet memories of our loved ones are still there through their cherished possessions and so looking to follow that path even in a simple household item is endearing and special! Of course it symbolises a quality of a bygone era as well... Keep those videos up I think I've watch over 50 hours of your channel over the past week! Perfect presentation and info, thanks!
Marc - I am struggling with selecting between the Titan (looks, matches with synchronika) and the ceado 37s (ease of use, better reviews). Any advice from WLL or others here? Thanks!
Hi a, The Titan is gorgeous and lower price than E37S. That said, with larger burrs grind quality is better out of the E37S. If price and look doesn't matter I'd go E37S - it's what we use as our reference grinder.
Marc
Thanks! I am new to espresso grinders. Is one easier than the other to use?
A perfect compliment with the Synchronika!! Im SOLD.!
Hi JL, They are a perfect pair!
Grabbed both from WLL. What a perfect pair.
How would you rate this compared to something like the Ceado 37s? I can't decide between the two!
Hey Jake, Thanks for the question. If $$ not a concern I'd go with the E37S. It has much larger 83mm burrs and is a lot easier to open up with no loss of grind size adjustment. It has somewhat lower retention as well. I prefer the Ceado controls which gives you 3 timed presets and the display is easily visible from above when opertaing the grinder. Also prefer the larger more robust grind size adjustment mechanism of the E37S. When I do our technique videos I could choose just about any grinder and my go to and favorite is the E37S. Hope that helps!Marc
Great grinder, great presentation. I have a question you don't mind: people always say 'invest in a good grinder', however, what is the minimum standar of a good grinder for home espresso lover? The reason I ask this question is that the standard and price of 'a good grinder' can be no ceiling or the ceiling is too high for many people. If you could point to one or two specific grinders that meet the minimum standard, that would be great. I would guess that one of which is Baratza Sette? Thanks.
Hi EK, Thanks for the kind comment and question. The Sette is a good grinder. Just be aware it's an appliance grade construction and rather loud in operation. I have this video comparing the 3 Sette models: ruclips.net/video/FzhtwrmB-60/видео.html
In my eyes a "good grinder" can dose into a PF, has stepless grind size adjustment, has a timing function and a build quality with little or no plastic. To lower cost grinders that meet those requirements are the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder and the Eureka Mignon Silenzio: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/eureka-mignon-silenzio-16cr-grinder-in-matte-black
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I was not aware that there are 3 Settes, despite having a Baratza grinder (Virtuoso+) at home. Sette 270wi is cool. Personally, I would choose Eureka Mignon Silenzio, merely because I already have a Baratza (and a made in Taiwan flay burrs grinder) and want to try a different brand. I am sure the Bezzera grinder is good too but nowadays 'an instagrammable look' of a coffee tool is important, so I would put it after Silenzio and Sette on the prioritization list.
Hi Marc, just received my Titan..What would be a good reference point for a single shot of coffee.in comparison to T2 -4secs for a double..And what would you recommend as a grind starting point..for a) single shot b) double..?
😀 Another great review Marc, thank you.
Could you please tell me if you were grinding at #2 - would the 2 on the adjustment ring be in line with the (flat) screw at the front of the grinder?
Hi Don, Thanks for the comment. Did this video a long time ago so I do not remember the setting. Be aware that numbers on grinders are just references. So a 2 on my grinder will not produce precisely the same grind size as 2 on someone else's.
Hi Marc, I think i have found the reference point on the titan after using a Kg of coffee. while adjusting the grind while its running it seems a bit hard to turn the worm wheel is this normal..? Seems easier to turn while the grinder is off..
Hi J, Interesting... I suppose the grinding action may provide some resistance to grind adjustment when running. A lot depends on which way you are adjusting. With many grinders, the only way to adjust finer is with the grinder running. There's a limit to how far you can crush the beans adjusting finer without the grinder running. And, on some grinders adjusting finer without the grinder running can cause the grinder not to start next time as the motor (start capacitor actually) will not have enough juice to start turning against what's in between the burrs. Adjusting coarser should not be a problem with the grinder off.
Hi & Thanks for the great review!
Do you prefer the Titan over the Cedar E37S?
Cheers
Thorsten
Hi tokanews, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question! They are too close to call as far as grind quality. It comes down to style preference and level of use. I'd prefer the ECM for home use and go with the Ceado for heavy use situations. The ECM is a style winner while the Ceado is a rugged beast.
Are cedar grinders from the pnw? If so, maybe scg carries them?
Hi marc.. What are your recommendations between ECM V-Titan 64 Grinder and the 65 Eureka Zenthes? Thanks
Hi MUQ, Thanks for the question. Both are excellent grinders. For the Titan I prefer the incredibly precise worm gear driven grind size adjustment and the titanium coated burrs will grind more than a lifetime of coffee for the typical home user. Also a cleaner look without a display staring you in the face. But, some like the display of the Eureka grinders and they are among the easiest to change the grind time programming on. I find grind size adjustment is a little touchier on the Zenith grinder with the small knob. In my experience a relatively small turn of the knob makes a proportionally larger change in grind size than an equivalent turn of the worm gear on the Titan. If you are one that will open up the grinding chamber on a regular basis it's easier to do on the Zenith. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any more questions.
Marc
I'm on the market for a new espresso machine and I'm thinking of pairing the ECM Synchronika with this grinder. One of the grinder reviews on the Whole Latte Love website states the following: " It is beautiful and well made grinder. It is like a tank. But you need to be aware that it is not for single dosing." Can someone from WLL address the "not made for single dosing" claim? What does this mean?
Hi TEX, Thanks for the question. Single dosing refers to weighing beans prior to grinding, putting in the grinder and grinding them all with the expectation you'll get within a few tenths of a gram less on the output. Single dosing grinders are designed specifically for that purpose and have very low grind retention. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi, I’m using this machine but beans stuck between the middle bar and bottom gear. It sometime cannot grind because the ground pounders are sticking in the machine and it cannot push out from the machine. I was advised to adjust toward the fine from the engineers but it’s not course enough if I do it. Have you ever heard this incident?
Hi y, If adjusting from coarser to finer more than a hair you need to have the grinder running when doing so to prevent beans being crushed between the burrs which can cause a no start of the motor.
Marc
Hi Marc,
I went ahead and purchased the v-Titan and I’m using it with VST baskets. It seems I’m getting a bit of clumping. I’m using 7 day old roasted quality beans. Any hints at why I might be getting clumping? Grinds in your vid look fine.
Also how do I retain the grin setting when cleaning?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Matthew, Not unusual to get a little clumping now and then. It's dependent on ambient conditions like humidity and the particular coffee.
Marc
Hi Marc. How easy is it to fish out the retained grounds behind the shute's anti static grid? Would a couple of pulses on/off be enough to eject them? Or is it possible to brush them out through the grill in combination with the pulsing. Thanks
Hi Steven, Thanks for the question. With pulsing and a stiff brush grinds will usually clear. May be a little stubborn if using oily beans.
Marc
Hello Marc, I have a ECM casa V. Should I get the ECM V-Titan 64 or ECM S-Automatics 64 ?
Hi lM, Sorry for the delayed response. Somehow missed your question. IMO the Titan is overkill but if you might upgrade machine at some point it should be a consideration.
Marc
do you think ECM v-titan 64 beats ECM: S-Automatik 64 on even distribution or dose control?
Hi XA, Thanks for the questions. I love the dosing funnel on the Titan! it drops coffee into a PF so perfectly. The S-A does a fine job as well but doesn't quite match the Titan. In shooting the video I ground many 18g doses and rarely had even a speck of coffee on the tray. The funnel Titan gives a little extra hang time before the grinds hit the PF which IMO results in a fluffier fill. I have not had a chance to test the dosing consistency of the S-A. My guess is it's a little less consistent. I was a little surprised the Titan matched the dosing weight consistency of timed grinding on a Ceado E37s - a grinder I use as a benchmark. That prop in the grind chamber helps assure a constant flow of beans to the burrs. Titan is very impressive and a definite step up from the S-A.
Hello Marc, thanks for the great video.
Which better the Rocket Fausto or ECM v-titan, beside the titanium burr.
Hi Amer, As to grind quality they are similar. Beyond that I think it comes down to personal preference.
I'm planning to buy this grinder to compliment my synkronika. Yet i'm doing some pour overs. Is this grinder perform well for pour over?
Hi MA, Thanks for the question. The Titan is more of an espresso focused grinder. It could grind for pour over, but espresso focused grinders tend to produce more fines at larger grind sizes. Depends on how particular you are with your pour overs. Another thing to be aware of: you'll be doing a lot of turning of the grind adjustment knob to go from espresso size to pour over. Getting back to espresso after changing is going to be a bit of a pain.
Marc
Hi Marc, between ECM V-Titan 64 and Ceado E37J Electronic which one you would prefer?
Hi Leonardo, Before I answer, A heads up... I featured your question (and called you out by name) about the Jack Leveler in this video posted today: ruclips.net/video/L81honj38tw/видео.html Thanks for the question!!!
It's a tough call between those grinders! both are 64mm burr, Titan is 450 watts, E37J is 300 watts. I'f you didn't guess from the video, I love the vintage look of the Titan. If you're the sort of person who will be opening up your grinder a lot for cleaning I'd go with the Ceado. With it's sealed threads and no loss of grind setting when removing the upper burr assembly it's far easier/faster to clean. Personally I'd probably go with the Titan and put up with the extra work opening it up. I just love the look of it - especially if sitting next to a mirror finished prosumer espresso machine. The Titanium burrs will last a lifetime and will still be sharp and capable after more than 1,000 lbs. of grinding.
Marc
Hi Marc - Great Video!! Thanks for the thorough explanation of this Grinder. Can you explain to me what they mean when they say you need to "Season" a new grinder before use?? Does this mean you just have to run some beans through the machine before use (right from the box)?
Also, would this grinder be OK in a Commercial setting? For example a small Espresso Stand and a local Farmers market doing Single Origins and an Espresso Blend - Espresso's and Milk Drinks only...nothing too fancy. Thanks if you can help me out and keep up the great work! (Steve from New Zealand)
Hi stephen, You are welcome for the video and thank for the comment and question. The V-Titan is considered light commercial grade so would work for a lower volume operation as you describe.
A couple of things going on with seasoning and I would not worry much about it. The character of the grind will change slightly during the first few kg of grinding as the burrs get coated with coffee oils and the burr edges will dull ever so slightly. What that means is a bit more static initially and potentially more fines in the grind. But heck espresso is a fine grind anyway! IMO 99 out of 100 espresso drinkers would never know the difference. It's not like you to run kgs of coffee through the grinder before serving. Plus your customers will be too stunned by the very cool retro look of the Titan!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage gear stuff!! Thanks for the prompt, informative reply... Much appreciated 👍
I am very much interest in this grinder. I am wondering if you can make a video how to clean and maintain this expensive grinder. Thank you.
Hi KZ, Thanks for the video suggestion. Will add it to the production cue. In the meantime, 2 cleaning methods. First is using Urnex Grindz: www.wholelattelove.com/urnex-grindz-grinder-cleaner You just put the product in the hopper and grind to remove accumulated oils etc. Second method is more thorough. Remove the 2 screws that secure the worm gear adjustment, then turn the adjustment to coarse setting until the top burr removes. You then have access to the grinding chamber as shown at 4 minutes in the video. Inside, use a brush etc to clean things up. When re-assembling this type of grinder the threads of the adjustment collar must be very clean to avoid binding. Sometimes need to take a pin/needle to clean out the threads.
Would be interested to know the grind range - can we adjust all the way from Turkish to pour-over?
Hi Steve, Titan is really an espresso specialist but grind can go baby powder Turkish to Press coarse. I would not suggest it to someone looking for multiple brew methods (unless you have 2 of them!). With the worm gear it's a lot of turning to get to grind size for different brew methods. Worm gear comes of with 2 crews and collar adjust freely - but it would be a real pain doing that all the time.
Thank you Marc for the informative review of the ECM V-Titan 64!I received my ECM V-Titan 64 a few days ago from WLL and was spending quite a bit of time dialing in the grind and timing to get a good shot.I was wondering what the approximate grind setting did you have where the t2=4 seconds yielded about 18g of coffee? There is a short frame in the video where I could see the setting to be at about "2", but would appreciate your confirmation and any comments you may have with regards to grind setting.Thank you very much,Rudolf
Hi Rudolf, You are welcome for the video and thanks for your comment and question. My setting was ~2 notches to the right of 2 using the allen head screw at front below the collar as reference. Do understand that grind setting numbers are somewhat arbitrary. It's possible but unlikely the setting I used will produce the same weight result on your Titan. Many variables are involved which affect the weight. Changing out to a different coffee or aging of the coffee will produce a different weight at the same grind setting. Also it's possible to attach the notched/numbered adjustment collar to the burr in 3 different positions which are 120 degrees apart so there could be as much as two thirds of a rotation of the collar difference between your Titan and mine. My advice is to dial-in your grind to produce a good shot. There are various ways of doing that. What I would do is use a grind time that fills a double shot basket to the top when leveled. That should put you at about 18g. Pull a shot and use timing (20-30sec from first drip) and/or visual appearance (color and crema production) to appraise the shot. If it's coming too fast or blonding out early adjust the grind finer. To slow, adjust coarser. each grind size adjustment will change the weight dosed so you may need to adjust the grind time a bit to compensate. I hope this helps. If you have more questions I'll be happy to help! Enjoy your beautiful New Titan!
Marc
Thank you very much Marc for your detailed response! Very much appreciated!
You are most welcome! We do our best to be thorough and specific.
Is there any convenient way to preset or mark preset grind positions on the collar?
I followed Marc's recommendations above successfully (Thank you Marc!) and ended up with "four notches to the left from 2", with the allen head screw in the front of the collar as reference. For the beans I was using, the t2 grind time was 4.9 s for 18 g, which produced a very nice double shot of about 2 ounces in 28 seconds measured after the first drip. The first drip came out after 5 s. So to respond directly to your question, I'm using the allen head screw as reference and count the number of notches (teeth) on the adjustment collar. And as Marc pointed out, there is always a bit of adjustment needed to optimize the many variables in the espresso making process. Cheers, Rudolf
could you show a video on cleaning of the burrs / machine and re-calibrating this. Also would be nice to have a comparison video against the Proftiec Pro T64, Ceado 37s and Rocket) faulsto (or any other comparison grinder in this category
Hi Alex, Thanks for the suggestions! We do have videos on the T64 and just did a new one on the updated E37S and E37J. Here's a link to that: ruclips.net/video/SauHkzegeg8/видео.html
Here's our T64 review: ruclips.net/video/fGxVZc2Igww/видео.html
Cleaning burrs and calibrating the Titan is fairly straightforward. Remove the worm gear and twist out the adjustment collar. Use a stiff brush to clean the burrs and grinding chamber - can use a vacuum to gather dust etc. Be careful when turning the adjustment collar back on. The threads are very fine so cross-threading can happen. Best to turn counterclockwise until you feel or hear the threads drop into alignment before turning clockwise to engage. Never force anything when turning the ring back in. If you feel undue resistance turn it back out and try again. To calibrate, get the adjustment ring most of the way turned in. Then turn the grinder on and continue to turn in until you just hear the burrs touch and back off a hair until that noise goes away. That position is your "zero" setting. re-attach the worm gear and you're done. Don't worry about the burrs touching when doing the calibration. They are designed such that the sharp blades do not make contact.
How do you clean it? DO you have to re-dial the grind setting after cleaning? Or is it the same as cleaning a Ceado E37S?
Hi Danilo, Thanks for the question. It's a different than the Ceado so you do have to dial back in after removing the top burr for cleaning.
Thank you for the reply. How often should a grinder like this should be cleaned?
You're welcome. It will vary depending on the type of beans you are grinding, how particular you are and the amount of coffee ground. If using dark roast beans with visible surface oils it'll be much more frequent than beans with a lighter roast. Best way to determine is a visual inspection and clean when you observe residue build up.
Thank you for the reply.
Intriguing about the Ceado E37Z RPM adjustability and how that may play a role in extraction.... Makes me wonder what the RPMs for all other grinders, and what would be a favorable RPM?
Hi Alvin, It is intriguing! According to Ceado's research best RPM is different depending on type of coffee being ground. So yet another variable in espresso!
Marc
Love your reviews and I'm def sold on getting the Synchronika, because of you!
Question for you, is the main difference between the Titan 64 and the S Automatik only the burr material? Also, which would you prefer?
Salut
Hi Trey, Thanks for the comment! Synchronika is a fine machine!!! As for the grinders... Burr material as you mentioned. Other differences: The T64 uses a worm gear to adjust grind size. I find it allows for more precise grind size adjustment. Dosing thru the funnel it yields a fluffier grind and more even distribution in PF. T64 has a PF hook so don't have to hold the PF when grinding. Finish quality is nicer on the T64. The S Auto has an odd seem in the case on the front which I'm not a fan of. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Great review. Is it true on the timed function that the minimum manual dose is 2 seconds? Meaning there is no way to get a quick top up less than 2 seconds while in timed mode. Understand in manual maiden that’s easy
Hi Mathew, Thanks for the comment and question. When using timed grinding It's less than a 1 second minimum when bumping for a top off. Timed grinding uses a portafilter activated switch to start. 1 press for a single, 2 quick presses for a double. To bump a dose you'd do 3 quick presses. Depends on how fast you can press but I just tried on the V-Titan in our employee lounge and I'm at about half a second. As you mentioned manual is easy as grinder only runs when switch is pushed in by the PF.
Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks for that, very helpful indeed. It’s a real vote that you’re using it in the employee lounge as well. I’ve recently purchased a Synchronika and I’m trying to work out the quality of the grind versus a niche zero. I know they are very different workflows but in terms of grind quality do you know how it compares?
Hi Bouht a V-64 grinder, but the adjustment is locked or wery hard to adjust. Are there somthing wrong withe grinder or can this be adjustede?
Hi TV, Unlikely there is something wrong with the grinder. Here are a couple of things to look at: Check the positioning of the worm gear. 2 screws hold the mechanism to the top of the grinder. These can be loosened and the position of the worm gear changed for better engagement. Have you ever taken the top burr out of the grinder? There's an O ring which prevents ground coffee from getting into the threads of the top burr adjustment. When removing the top burr, coffee can get into the threads. Before putting the top burr back in the threads must be perfectly clean or the burr adjustment can become difficult to adjust or bind completely. In the past I've used a pin to clean the threads of residual coffee dust. Again, they must be free of any coffee residue. Bonus tip: When re-installing a top bur with a threaded collar always turns the burr counterclockwise until you feel and/or hear the burr drop down slightly indicating the threads are in alignment before turning clockwise to run the burr back in. This helps prevent cross-threading which can happen. If you ever feel resistance when turning a burr back in, stop and turn the burr out and clean the threads again. Hope this helps!
Marc
How does the Titan compare to the Mazzer Super Jolly Electronic?
Hi Duane, So lots of people love their Mazzer grinders. They're fine but I'm not in the loving it crowd. In my experience they can be difficult to adjust. Threads in the adjustment collar tend to get gummed up with coffee as they are not as well isolated from the grinding chamber as are the Titan's or grinders from others like Ceado. Also dislike the top burr being carried on the 3 springs in the Mazzer. Cleaning a Mazzer is a bit of a pain. I've lost or sucked up those springs with a vacuum more than once. As for specs, both are 64mm burrs with the titanium coated burrs in the Titan being an upgrade. The Mazzer has a 350 watt motor compared to 450 watt in the Titan. With its standard hopper the Mazzer is a good 5" taller than the Titan. Warranty is 1 year on the Mazzer and 2 years on the Titan. As for build, the Mazzer is a rock. Titan is solid as well but has a beauty/elegance beyond the Mazzer. Hope that helps!
Marc
Nice 👍 if you by both is there a discount ?
Hi MG, Thanks for the question. At WholeLatteLove.com you can bundle products like machine, grinder, accessories for discounts.
Marc
what a shining beauty!
I like shiny things!
Esa lamentablemente no traen a Chile. Tampoco vi una tienda para importarla. Termine comprando en Italia una Eureka Mignon XL. Espero tener esa ECM algún día.
Translated: That unfortunately they do not bring to Chile. I also did not see a store to import it. I ended up buying a Eureka Mignon XL in Italy. I hope to have that NDE one day.
The Titan is a beauty! Unfortunate it's not available in Chile but the Mignon XL is a very good grinder!
¡El Titán es una belleza! Desafortunadamente, no está disponible en Chile, ¡pero el Mignon XL es un molinillo muy bueno!
Marc
Gracias por tu clara respuesta. Te contaré que uso como cafetera la ECM Mechanika V slim. Me encanta. Saludos desde Viña Del Mar.
What type of plug in do you have to have? 110 or 220?
Hi ws, Our Titan's use a standard 110v edison style plug.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Alright. I'll buy one toward the end of next month. Is there a way to get it for 10% off? Thanks again
@@Wholelattelovepage Last question. If we are to compare the ECM V Titian, does the "Ceado E37S" also come in 120? And will I have to buy an extra set of Burrs and when would I change them? I make one latte every morning.
Mark, What is conspicuously missing in your review is RETENTION. Every other grinder you have reviewed has mentioned the all important RETENTION. Can you please reveal your findings on the RETENTION of this grinder. Thank you so much!
Hi David, Thanks for the question. While I have not measured retention in every grinder I have done many but not the V-T64. Having opened up the grinder I estimate it's about the same as others with a similar design. Probably ~2g. Sorry I cannot be more precise.
Marc
3:26 Did not expect a compliment about my butt in a video about a coffee grinder.
Then again, you shouldn't underestimate the ECM V-Titan.
Hey j, missing the reference "butt" if you say so...
Marc
Thanks for great video.
Hi TD, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Marc
Anyone who can help me finding this amazing grinder in India?
Great video
Hi LP - 1st! Thanks for the comment!!!
For this kind of money design should be better - you can't see the display when in use because the portafilter is right in front of it, the lightly etched numbers on the gear are barely readable due to low contrast and the fact that they are tucked under the hopper over hang. The grinder adjustment handle is at the back- if tucked beside the coffee maker - at it will in most spaces it is hard to reach and it is a smooth piece of metal with no grip - which it would have if it had a texture, rubber grip or knob. The position of the handle is nearly impossible for left handers - the ceado and others with the knob at the front are mostly located on the right but still far easier to grab right or left handed. To dispense a double you tap the button twice? and what about the variable time of half a second or a quarter of a second or,....whatever between the button pushes? Really display should be up top and there should be a button to chose single or double. I would choose the ceado 37s - other than that here in Canada it is about $900 more.
Hi Bob, Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
For the price of this grinder I can buy a good grinder and replace its burrs every month, until I get grand children.
lol. Okay