Thanks! Appreciate all the content and information. Also really like that you reply to the comments. Your passion for coffee is very clear. And you are a super-person for not knocking over your coffee mug while filming 😅
Thanks so much!! ❤️❤️ I've had a few years training to hold my cup from spilling. 🤣 Are there any things you'd like to see in my videos? Any areas that you'd like to see me film? If I can, I'll try to do it! 🙏🙌 Thanks again for your support!
Really enjoy your videos, helpful and entertaining. I have had my Profitec GO for a year and have found no downside. This is the Subaru of coffee machines, value for money and pick a color you like because you will have it a long time!
How is the steaming with the Go ? I have heard that they aren’t capable to get the silk smooth texture of milk … people have been upgrading the two hole steam wand to four whole…. What’s your thought on this ? Really like the quick start time of the go and I am the only one who drinks coffee at my house, so it’s just two cups of latte per day
@@dineshnadar5214 I am not into latte art, to get that ‘silky milky’ the temperature is too low for drinking to me. That said, I have no problem steaming and get 2cm/.75” of foam on my cappuccino daily. Lance Hedrick has an excellent tutorial on steaming and according to him the number of holes is not critical to the process. Good luck.
I think for everyday use, a thermoblock is a must for a home use. I am a coffee enthusiast, so a small boiler is fine but my better half would be annoyed if she had to wait half an hour to make a coffee... So for me, Ascaso, Quick Mill or Sage/Breville are the brands that do it for me. Great video btw, just subscribed ;-)
I bought myself the Rancilio Silvia Pro X a few months ago and I really could not be happier. Yes, the drip tray sucks, but it is manageable. And the ... functional look isn't to everybody's taste. Some other reviewers called this thing a Volvo and I think that is a very good description. It's sturdy, build quality is good and it brew some really tasty coffee. It gets the job done very well. It just does not look very fancy while doing so. It even punches above it's weight class. Personally, I love the look and prefer it over the chrome monsters.
what espresso machine would you reccomend for a small coffee cart? under 5k. a machine that can handle at least 150ppl. i also offer tea, cold brew coffee as well. so it won't be all espresso shots. How is your machine holding up? can it do back to back shots and steam milk no problem?
Wow didn't know Breville bought Lelit. The Bianca is in my opinion one of the best looking single group machines out there, almost as sleek as the Slayer. As for the Profitec Pro 400 I would still argue PID is still a must if you are spending serious money. I get the Pro 500 is over $3000 but I wouldn't recommend anything at that price that requires temp surfing.
Yeh that was a very silent acquisition. I agree with the Bianca, it's the best looking one at that price point. Interestingly, I used the Gaggia Evo a lot the other month and I was surprised at how stable the temp was compared to previous versions. I only had to purge the group head to bring the temp down a fraction. Sure you don't get the same level of control but it was acceptable temp surfing. Certainly not as bad as the old days.
Yeh I just forgot to mention it at the time of filming when I was naming the other Lelit 🤦 but yes, it's an excellent machine and beautiful in the white with timber accents. 👌
I have had the Breville dual boiler for about 3 years. I have owned other machines and I would say it is an amazing machine for the price with all the bells and whistles and really easy to use. I only use it at the weekend so expect it to last maybe 5 years and never had a problem with it. You can descale it yourself so you save quite a bit of money on the annual servicing which needs to be factored in to the total cost of ownership.
Yeh I mean it's a higher quality build and technically more premium. All the technicians I talk to say they are the best to service. But they are the same parent company so you can't go wrong with either. 👌
It never really seems to get a mention or be on many people's radar, but the Sunbeam Cafe Series Dual Thermoblock is a great machine at around $800. Being a thermoblock, it's quick to temp (and the brew block is part of the group so everything is heated up), and you can steam as you pull a shot. Well made 58mm portafilter, and very well put together (pumps on the bottom in their own compartment, electronics in another compartment, and the the thermoblocks and valves up top. PID temp control, pre-infusion, and good steam pressure. Bonus is the cool-touch steam wand, and milk temp (not sure how accurate though) as well as brew pressure gauge. Also very easy to fit a dimmer mod to control pump speed without affecting your steaming since it's a separate pump and it's easily reversable. That means you get flow and pressure control for under 1k.
Great video. Thanks! I've been using a Breville Dual Boiler for 8 years and love it. It's my 2nd with the original being replaced under extended warranty. I have it paired with a Turin DF64 Gen 2 grinder and together they make sensational espresso. I've been looking at the Ascaso Steel Duo PID V2 for my next machine which comes in at just under A$3k. Do you have any thoughts on Ascaso and that particular machine? Thanks!
Thanks! I love the look of the Ascaso and I've had them in my previous years top lists, however they keep letting me down with their quality. In the early 2000s there were lots that were breaking but then they supposedly addressed those issues but I'm still getting complaints from customers. Beautiful looking machines and they are good, but just make sure you load up on extended warranty and get a good supplier so if anything goes wrong they can help. 👌
Getting such a decent shot from a Delonghi Dedica (around USD 100) with modified milk wand & open basket paired with a Baratza Encore finding it tough to justify upgrading. Small profile. Really like that it is quick to warm up. Great in the mornings when no patience waiting for a coffee. Can also switch to milk foam function for few seconds before shot to increase temp. Would like to have commercial sized basket.
Using my modded ec230 and cannot agree more on that) However, I've managed to file the original 51mm portafilter so that 54mm dalla corte IMS basket fits it perfectly with 54.5mm tamper. No chance to put 58mm into it though)) Yes, the shower is still narrow, but if use a puck screen, makes no difference IMHO Cheers!
Wow, taken it to another level. What weight of shots do you put through it? Puck screens are great. Struggled prior to the Encore grinder as pump did not seem to cope with higher volumes like 18 grams. Now with better grinder no problems at all. Average shot now using around 16 grams, feel easier and cleaner to manage. @@simonshandrinov9079
Have been agonising for ages and haven't let myself by anything for months, but I bit the bullet and got a Breville dual boiler yesterday for the sale price ($999). Would love a higher end machine but I can't justify it when I'm a newbie and I have a bit of a habit of letting new routines and hobbies fade. I'll go a bit lower and easier on the machine while I'm learning, and put more money into a really good high end grinder instead, which I wouldn't have considered until I started watching your vids! If I'm still brewing this time next year, upgrade here we come! Thank you for your channel, it's made the decisions easier.
Thanks! The dual boiler is an excellent machine so you won't be disappointed and since you're upgrading it in a year or two you won't suffer the pain of it dying. 🙌
Its gonna take a while to grow out of the breville/sage dual boiler Have seen people doing the slayer mod and just...keeping it. Other than steam power and "italian flair", the more expensive models don't offer a lot more. Especially for home use
Went with a Breville Oracle years ago - worst mistake I’ve ever made. Sent it back 3x for service… they replaced it w/ a ‘new’ one. Second unit has already been back for service once and now sits in my garage broken. Hope your experience is better than mine! Stay far away from Oracle!
@@Guy9052m so far so good, having no problems. I'll upgrade it at the end of the year regardless; I splurged on the grinder and that + really good quality beans is making the biggest impact. I've got Bellissimo down the road from me in Brisbane... Zero complaints.
BDB is pretty high end (maybe not as high end appearing) and a well loved machine by espresso enthusiasts. The grinder is the most important part. I run a really good grinder (Eureka silenzio) with my cheap Breville duo temp pro and I pull amazing shots
thanks for the video… PRE-INFUSION “hack” 🤔 would it be helpful to throw the Brew Switch on BZ10 or perhaps spray the puck prior to locking in? thinking of going from Breville Oracle Appliance to a Bezzera BZ10 Machine
Interested in thoughts on NS OscarII? 58mm portafilter, preinfusion, programmable shots, powerful steam while pulling shots and OPV. Under 1500 in Oz and made in Italy
Yeh if it's under $1500aud that's a very good price. I'm not a huge fan of NS having worked on their machines in the past but on commercial versions. But at that price it is much better, and it does have really great thermal stability.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Have you seen the Oscar Mood? PID version of Oscar plus other stuff. My wife had a cafe and used my Oscar for half a day when her machine died 🤣
I'd give the Silvia Pro X 10/10, if you don't mind the industrial look (I love it). I've had 2 Brevilles, both broke, and 2 Delonghis, both broke. Finally got the Silvia Pro it it just blows away the competition. PID? Built in. In tests it's spot-on accurate. Regular, reliable ideal 9 bar pressure? Yep, and tests again show they're spot on. Cafe-level steam power? Yep. Twin boiler? Yep. Small footprint? Yep. Built like a tank? Yep. It was only missing 3 things to be the perfect machine - no pressure gauge and no pre-fusion. And no fancy chrome beauty, but I realized in the real world I'd soon get tired of polishing off fingerprints, so I consider the matt stainless steel to be a big bonus actually. Then they came out with the Pro X, with pressure gauge and pre-infusion. It's literally the perfect machine, perfect temp water at the perfect pressure in a square box that just gets out of the way and lets you experiment with the beans and the grind, instead of messing with the machine. I like my Pro so much I'm hoping it will break, so I can buy the Pro X... but I suspect I'll be waiting another 30 years or so...
I’m in 2 minds with the Breville DB and Silvia Pro X. Deciding factors are heat stability (in DB) and the proper pre-fusion (not in Silvia Pro X)…still deciding, help lol
Just one thing about the Casa V recommendation: on all ECM machines I’ve seen, you can’t set the OPV screw lower than 8 bars at the pump. Screw just won’t turn far enough. I don’t own one so I could be wrong but I don’t think you’ll be able to do 3 bar shots.
Thats concerning, I mean 3 bar shots are not a concern but if it cant get lower than 8 bars, for the beans I like to drink I almost never go over 6 bar.
Hi Ryde, Great vid, I am totally torn. The BDB makes absolute sense & I would get one in a heartbeat but my wife doesn’t drink coffee & is not up for such a big machine in the kitchen. So with the community behind the Silva it’s the real stand out for me as a 2nd hand machine. Thanks for your thoughts/review
@@OYeahan Silvia Pro X has pre-fusion and you don't want pressure for that, as the point is to moisten the beans before the pressure. The Silvia is also faster to heat up from cold, has stronger steam power and doesn't need polishing every day :P But really at this price point they're all great machines! Apart from the Breville. Had a Bambino die on me, got the twin boiler, that died too. I'll never bug that brand again.
@@bigglyguy8429 BDB also died on me, got a refund instead of repair, decided to upgrade and bought Lelit Bianca (same owner lol). Hope it'll be much more solid and serviceable
@@bigglyguy8429 as for preinfusion, don't know how Silvia's works, but to moisten the beans you need something to push the water at a specific rate, and the only way to move water is using pressure :D. There is little pressure in the grouphead during that moistening as there is almost no backpressure from the puck, but actually you want to moisten the puck pretty quickly, as too long a flow will give more time for initial channeling and preinfusion will have opposite effect than the intended one
@@OYeahan I have the older Silvia twin boiler with no prefusion, and in fairness the accuracy of the temp and pressure (exactly 93C at 9bar, every time) means I can experiment with the grind. As such I just don't need pre-infusion, as I can tweak to perfection... But I'm tempted to buy the newer one... FOMO is real lol
Great video as always Ryde! I'm looking to replace my Lelit Anita with something better, my budget is around $2k. Would you suggest the purchase of a used La Cimbali M21 Junior (tanked)? I found one in very good conditions for $1200. That would allow me to also invest in a good grinder an stay within my budget.
Yes the Cimbali is a good enough machine but are there others that you can find second hand? I really prefer some of the other manufacturers like Profitec or ECM etc, but Cimbali is solid enough, I had one for a few years but I just found them a bit chunky. Still, investing in the grinder is great idea. I highly recommend the Timemore sculptor 78s 🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you for the reply Ryde. I did look at brands like Profitec, ECM, Rocket, etc.. but they are way over $2k. This Cimbali is a workhorse and if properly looked after, will last a lifetime. I also have a friend that used to be a specialised Cimbali technician and told me that we can do some mods to make it even better. Lastly, if I get it and find out that it's not as good as I thought, I can resell it for the same price. Feel free to throw a couple of alternative options if you think they are better built or perform better than this M21 junior. Thank you.
I had a Rancilio, with PID, and it was OK. I just got an ECM Synchronika, with Flow control and will learn the ins & outs of it. I also have a great grinder and all the other popular 'tools' and have been roasting my own coffee for over 16 years. I'm a coffee junkie !
I've been trying to decide between the Lelit Elizabeth and the Profitec Pro 600 for about 6 months now and I still can't figure it out... seems like EVERY espresso machine has some kindof setback / variable and it makes it so hard to choose. Some people really poopoo E61s heat stability versus the saturated group head approach...
There's also the Profitec Move that's released in a month or so depending on where you are. I personally don't love the look of the Lelit machines except MaraX and Bianca, so for me the 600 is my choice but you have to go with your gut. They are both good machines.
@@Rydecoffeecoach funny enough the Move looks like a great machine, but the printed "MOVE" on the front panel just kills me. We all have our aesthetic pet peeves. haha. I'm leaning towards the 600 for sure... my only hesitation is some people's opinions about the saturated group heads being more stable than the E61s...
No worries! 🤗 I don't find it unstable enough to be noticeable unless you're measuring it with precision tools. Certainly I've never had a bad coffee from the 600 or really any e61. If you're an engineer or something and you would be running precise experiments on it, then yes, but otherwise I don't think you'd notice on a day to day latte or espresso. Sometimes people can get too big down in the specifics, but in all honesty we're trying to precisely replicate a product that is largely varied from the farm level.
Did you get the grinder? I have that model and love it, but if you have not purchased yet then I recommend you get one of the cheaper, simpler models and some scales. I've found I never use the timer display thing because I measure my beans per shot; I'd never leave a lot of beans going stale in the hopper. So if like me you want single shots then I forget the name but they have 2 models with factory bellows (I got mine custom made for the Specialita) and no timer/display, so you save money, get the bellows and have less to go wrong. Win!
@@bigglyguy8429 The single doser version is more expensive than the Silenzio (the cheapest of the line).... and even more expensive than the Specialita. By a lot, actually. At least here in Europe you can get the Silenzio for around 350 EUR, the Specialita for 400 and the single doser for 600 ...
Interested what you think of the Ascaso steel duo. I rarely see people bring it up in this range. I have one and am very happy with its style and functionality.
Yes, I think it appeared in my video series last year. I do like it a lot but I fear the company is producing a lot of lemons and not supporting post purchase enough which is why I left it off this year. If I get better reports throughout the year, I'll reassess it for next time.
I used to have the Breville Dual Boiler but it was constantly breaking down and having bought it in Australia and now living in UK the Sage dealers were told by Sage not to service it. So personally would rather have a real espresso machine like Bezzera as the price is not good in comparison.
Well, Didn't I just give you enough options 😅? If you want something similar to the Dual boiler I would look at the Profitecs, they are great and you wont have them break every 2 years. 🙌
@Rydecoffeecoach Great vids, thanks. What would you pick out of SilviaV6 OR Gaggia EvoPro OR ProfitecGO to get the very best espresso and silky milk drinks?
It's a tough one as they are all good but also limited in different ways. For me, I like the Go but there are so many personal preferences to consider. What's most important to you? I actually have a video coming out comparing Silvia to The Go and I took a customer to compare and choose which one to buy. Stay tuned for that video...
Will do. Reason I pointed those 3 is that I can fully mod the Gaggia with pid/9bar/dimmer flow/steam upgrade OR get the Silvia because it’s got superior steam OR go with the GO as it has everything factory built. Ofc, the Gaggia can also be gagiounio but I still love the Silvia. I’m torn
Great video I’m European who lives in USA so coffee is important for me ..thank you for including prices here as well I lean towards lelit Elizabeth (cause of aesthetics and size,not to deep )but I love a good cappuccino hear and there ,I use to be a barista myself so Which one of those has strongest steam if not close to pro for great creamy micro foam ? And what grinder you pair them with.Thanks
I forgot one more machine that I ended up including in the next video ($3-6k) and that's: Lelit Bianca. It's the most beautiful of the Lelit range (and Bianca too). You'll get endless steam. As for a grinder, I'd go with a Eureka Mignon (just find the features you desire the most as they have a grinder for literally every budget!). Or if you have the budget, I've been loving the Timemore Sculptor 78s and I highly recommend them. 👌🙌
I appreciate you .Your reply gives me lots of confidence..cause I was thinking eureka grinder and I was between Bianca ,Profitech drive ,synchronica ,La spazziale Vivaldi ,and the beautiful Bezzera duo. I’ll check your other videos thx
Ah yes, well then: the Synchronika is best build quality, with Profitec almost as good but more features generally. But I'm asking the wrong questions, sorry. I should be asking you, How many espressos are you making per day? (Include if you're having double or single shot coffees) What coffees are you mostly making (eg: lattes, long blacks, etc) What's most important to you in terms of aesthetics, build quality, consistency, ease of use, budget, etc) Let's start there.
No problem ,you are right Your questions are very accurate. My average routine is Two double espressos in the morning . Two cappuccinos in the afternoon.Excluding gatherings Aesthetically I prefer Elizabeth compact design and not too deep or bulky (with the exception of the steam knob) ..But I prefer rotary pump and a solid built for better longevity and less rattling noises..besides Elizabeth ,the rest of them are the same category and very similar looks . I liked Synchronica but I noticed some negative feedback about its steam power and as you mentioned less features So it narrows between Bianca and “Drive”.(unless there is something else) I think they have same features..the question is :Which is more quiet solid, reliable of the two?(if it’s a noticeable difference) if the package comes in the smaller possible size even better. As for the grinder I liked the eureka Oro but I prefer the anatomy of The timemore sculptor you suggested..If its grinding is better and is as quiet as the eureka ? I’ll definitely purchase it.
Excellent! Thanks for that info. The Profitec Drive is a bit bigger I believe, I know it's very deep (70cm) and quite wide too so if space is important, then the Bianca is the better bet. I love the Bianca and it's much nicer aesthetically IMO but Lelit was bought by Breville so I'm worried about the future of that brand as Lelit were always about making high quality products cheaper, Breville is kinda the opposite. Profitec is still Italian/German precision engineering and will always be high quality albeit more expensive. If I was choosing, I'd get the Drive a custom paint job and go with it. The grinder level of noise is an interesting topic. I haven't ever worried about noise cos they are all noisy! 🤣 But lately a lot of people have been asking me so I might need to do a test of grinder noise across a bunch. the Timemore isn't super quiet but I don't find it loud either but at low RPM I notice it squeal. But if quiet is what you want, the La Pavoni Cilindro was noticeably quieter to my ears.
Wrecking my head for a while trying to find a machine to upgrade to from my Dedica and now i think I've found it. Profitec Go looks like the perfect answer for me, thanks for the video.
I have a Eureka mignon manuale grinder but I’m looking to upgrade. I really wanted a timed grinder which helped save the hassle of using the scale every time. Any suggestions for next grinder to get that keeps the same quantity of grind?
Why do you want to upgrade? What features are you looking for? The Eureka range is huge so you can possibly find something like the Magnifico or Specialita or XL does what you need. Otherwise another dosing grinder is the Fiorenzato All ground or F4 electronic are good too. If you want an amazing grinder and have the budget, I love the Bentwood vertical 63! 👌 Hope this helps.
Thank you for your informative shows. Espresso machines are absolutely new ground (ha!) for me. My dream machines are Ascaso Duo or the San Remo Cube, however I know that as a newbie, I should opt for something less pricey and easier to learn. The Gaggia boilers eliminate that machine, and there are a number of videos about people who used and disliked the Profitec Go. So the upgraded Rancilio Silva (in pink, of course? I don’t want Lelit Anna bc of the 57mm portafilter, and I don’t want a big chrome box on my counter, which eliminates the other Lelia’s. Please tell me what to buy. Style and color for uniqueness are priorities. Thank you! What’s the story on your lovely cup.
Hey! What do You think about Nouva Simonelli Oscar II in 22 version (with opv included and some other smaller advantages)? Because it looks better than few of models You mentioned and its cheaper.
There shouldn't be much difference in taste, a brass boiler shouldn't give off any flavours unless you allow it to build up line scale but you should be using clean and filtered water anyway. You actually want to just avoid boilers such as aluminum and copper but most coffee machines are brass so you should be fine. 🙌
Yeh a few do. The Profitec 300 does and the400 has a limited PID version, some Lelits do like the Grace, Victoria, Elizabeth. The Breville dual boiler does.
You have to buy a the Breville/Sage dual boiler used. Found one for 500eur Ppl that bought one are prbly enthusiasts, because for the same money, most ppl would be an oracle or barista touch They usually have replaced pumps and upgraded lines at that point
I am looking at buying a coffee machine, I am kinda new getting in to the whole barista coffee world. I was just looking at the Breville dual boiler just because all the features it has for the price and the convenience. But I can only find it for around 1499 aud , Is it still worth it or should I go for something else. Thanks
Can you buy it with the grinder for that price? If not keep holding out for a deal as they usually sell together around $1500aud Another machine that I would possibly wait for is the Turin Legato which should be out in a few months 🤞 it could be a really good entry level machine for around $800aud. But yeh for ease of use, the Breville dual boiler will be great. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach thanks for the quick reply I can get it for $1650 aud with the grinder. I was looking at the Quick mill pippa and the ECM Casa V which are around the same price as the Breville
@@olivercook4491 both are good machines but don't have all the same features that the Breville does however will last a lot longer and I think the matte black and timber accents on the Quick Mill Pippa look so good. Just make sure you get a grinder as that's more important than the machine anyway. The Breville will be an easier machine to learn on, but just take as best care you can of it in order to get as many years out of it. For me, I would buy the Pippa in black and timber, a matching black Eureka Silenzia grinder. But, you need to be prepared to put in the time to hone your craft and learn how to get the best out of your coffee. So my question to you would be: If you bought the Breville and in
I own a ECM Synchronika. I love it. But I dislike using it more and more. Problem is: If you work from home and want a coffee, you cannot switch this behemoth off, since it takes around 30 minutes to be at the correct temperature. When I bought it, it was for one Cappuccino in the morning and a few Espressi in the afternoon, maybe a few runs on weekend afternoons. But in general it was on fro twice a day, 40 minutes in the morning 1.5 hours in the evening. Now I am working from home 80% of the time and it is running from morning till evening. The coffee I drink over the day is much better than what I get at the office of course, but it eats power like nothing. Easily 6-7 kWh per day. I can run my entire house on 7 kWh per day without the machine. And a kWh costs 40 ct. I really do not like the costs and I also have to admit: My ecological conscience also screems a bit. I will probably "downgrade" to a Profitec Pro 300. With its fast heat up PID it can be turned on, make an Espresso within 5 minutes or a Cappuccio within 7, use 0.15 kWh for this and then be turned of again. Even if you do this 10 times a day, it will be less than a quarter of power compared tot he Synchronika on stand-by.
Great advice! Yes this is an issue I hadn't considered for stay at home office workers. The majority of people previously used them one in the morning - maybe once in the arvo. But certainly I see your needs for a quick heat up time. 👌
Not sure why you suggest that because it's made by an appliance company, it will only last 5 years....this is crazy. Do you have one and did it break after 4-5 years? I've had my Breville Barista for 10 years now and not a single problem...drives me crazy when folks just throw these terms around. I agree it's not as heavy and it doesn't feel industrial but that is not an indicator of how long it will last. Aside from that comment, great information :-)
Your temperature profile of the Profitec is inaccurate, I keep mine at the 202F setting, added a thermometer to gauge temp so you can let off some additional heat if it is too high before pulling a shot. Great machine but am having thermostat tripping issues with mine, working to resolve. Replacing the heating element did not do it think it is more the electronic thermostat, TBD. Had the Rancilio Silvia for 15 years, never had one issue, more gadgets, more failures.
I want to add something for the Lelit machines. There is a really downside in those machines if you do milky drinks. The knob it's very poorly designed, you have to be very gentle with them. There is a teflon mechanism to stop the knob. I did broke my "old" machine (Victoria) 3-4 times because the knob was so fragile, that it will broke right away. I got a refund for that reason and after a year I did buy Lelit Bianca V3. But the espresso with the Victoria, was very good. It's a good machine for espresso and will not let you down.
@@GriuGriu64 There is a teflon pin to block the turns of the knob. On Victoria you had to tighten well but not strong, otherwise it broke or began to lose water. I had tried in every way not to break it, but it was impossible given the many cappuccini haha Thank you :) With the black friday was "cheap" (still crying in my shower where nobody can hear me) to buy from a retailer here in France. But if you drink a lot of coffee like we do, is worthy :) the espresso is amazing. I feel that only the kinu m47 keeps me behind a little bit.
@@GriuGriu64 10 doubles and it keep up? Amazing! I pull 4 cap and around 8 coffee a day. I don't play for the moment with pressure profile because I use dark roasted coffee. But tomorrow I will try some fresh light roast I hope to do well haha. For the Bianca I did get the refund of the Victoria (a 1/3 of the price of the Bianca with black friday discount), did put money in the piggy bank and after 15 months of commercial dark roast with the aeropress, I did had the money (many many sacrifice by the way I am not rich). Happy new year, one day you will have a Bianca don't worry :)
@@jamesd8458 You don’t have the same problem, because the knob is built as well as many other e61 machines. I haven’t had any problems since I got it. And the difference in cup, it’s considerably better than the Victoria. If you have any more questions, I’ll be happy to answer them.
I like the shape size depth and aesthetic of Elizabeth ..but I m looking for strong steam for pro creamy microfoam I use to be a barista so I’m particular ..
My Breville dual boiler is on its last legs and I'm considering the Profitec Go or Pro 300. I drink espresso and long blacks, and my mrs drinks flat whites on the weekends. Do you think a Profitec Go is going to cut it or its worth upgrading to the Pro 300 ?
The Go is fine but you will miss the ability to do coffee and milk simultaneously so that might slow you down, so I would choose the 300 over the GO. There is also the Profitec MOVE coming out shortly and I really love the look of that machine and its a dual boiler too.
I bought my Rancilio Silvia in 2003. Over the years, new boiler, new OPV. but otherwise still going strong. Just use good quality filtered water and it will go for ever. Nearly.
I have a Wega Mininova classic got for 1000au second hand. added a presure guage, new quartz shower screen, bottomless filter and VST basket,... good machine if you have a bit of real estate, Id rather the steam wand on the left and have considered replumbing it. worst part about it is the placement of the on off switch... right behind the lever? wtf. Its my first machine so perhaps if i ever change id go to an auto machine cos im lazy but other wise its great.
Hi there Ryan! I've been enjoying your videos, but I've noticed the audio levels are pretty high and sometimes you can hear some distortion when you are speaking. It might be helpful to look into lowering the overall volume output or use audio normalization during editing. This process balances the sound so it's more consistent and easier on the ears. Keep up the great work and looking forward to your next video with hopefully more balanced audio! 😊👍
It is a good machine, but it's a little pricey in Australia ($2999AUD) and just the EVO without a PID seems a bit much when the Profitec or Lelit gives you a lot more. The Dual boiler with flow control Bottecelli is much better but also costs an extra $1k AUD. If the price is a lot cheaper where you are, this would make it a much more attractive machine.
I thought I explained it in the video but maybe it was in another one. It's called E61 cos it was the first electromagnetic pump design launched in 1961 by Faema. The technology has advanced a lot since then but the shape of the group head remains iconic for every e61 machine.
I don’t understand why people always say the Breville/Sage machines aren’t built to last. My Barista Express is used every day and just coming up to its tenth anniversary. Just because the design looks different doesn’t mean the internals are worse quality.
It's not so much the design, it's the way they build the internals. The biggest issue with these machines are the small parts such as the O-rings which disintegrate over time and don't cost much to replace but are so tightly packed in with no care to how the maintenance would look, so the expensive part is the labour of actually pulling it apart and putting it back. It's great to hear you've gotten 10 years out of it but that's the anomaly. In most cases, tiny powder fine coffee dust eventually makes its way into the machine and what happens when you add heat, moisture, metal and electrics and coffee dust together? Nothing good, that's for sure.
Nice video. I currently have a Breville Oracle and the service light has just turned on after nearly two years. It’s essentially useless at the moment. Thinking I might hand it in under product care warranty and get something else. What’s your recommendation around that 2.5k mark (aud)? Thanks
@@Proton-m4y yes there is no pre infusion, you have soft infusion which is just ambient pressure trickles of water then the pump comes on. However, you’re not buying the pro X for pre-infusion but for its longevity build quality the name and so forth
Profitec Go review is at 23 min mark roughly. I have had mine for 7 months and it has been consistent in performance. Not flashy, it has everything you need. I like the top loading water tank as my station is compact and I don’t have to move grinder etc. to fill, Solenoid so pucks are dry, large drip tray, built in timer and easy to use PID. The only things lacking are a float for the drip tray & a slight glass for water level, but at 2.8 liters I don’t refill often. I treat the water and keep it clean, I expect this to be my last machine.
😅 everyone keeps saying this. I did name a bunch of Lelit machines and for whatever reason the Mara X stuff got missed. It's because Lelit just have so many models and their all good but I thought the Mara X was in my next bracket of pricing so I apologise, I'll cover it in a future video.
Breville Barista Express at or around $700 beats all of these by a mile as far as a value, bang for the buck and versatility. Also HUGE facebook, youtube support groups
I really wonder about these clips. Who would pay thousands on dollars for a machine which may be used to make up to four coffees a day? I had a cheap, excellent Gaggia machine which produced the best, flavorous short black: which is all that counts! I retired it when it started to leak.
These prices seem pretty crazy for the lack of features, when compared to the Turin Lagato that has PID, pressure gauge, etc all for 500 bucks. Pretty wild.
Yeh, the Turin is cheap and has some good features but is largely untested for longevity and reliability/consistency. The machines in this range are renowned Italian quality manufacturing (Turin is Chinese) with decades of proof. You can't compare them. Is a car a chassis with a steering wheel, 4 doors and 4 tyres? Yes, but then why is a BMW not the same price as a Great Wall car?
Never buy the sage/bewville dual boiler again. All customers open the screw from shower, look over it and you can see, that skin from brewgroup go away.
its weird you're clearly australian, using australia as a reference, and all your dollar amounts are in USD, i get the appeal to everyone factor, but its confusing
Yeh, I might end up making a separate video for both US and AUS, but at the moment only 8% of Aussies watch my videos as opposed to 35% USA. Also, we're used to having to convert USD to AUD so its easier.
Way too many machines and still I can’t get that sweet balance in my grinding/brewing time settings. So I think I’ll throw away everything and I’ll buy a Rivelia. Brad Pitt will be left inside the box, of course.
Interesting. I do get the ease of use factor, but getting your coffee recipe right isn't too hard and with a bit of practice you'll far exceed the flavours of the De'Longhi.
Too much information very hard for beginner to choose. If you are not beginner - you dont need to watch this video. I think suggestions should narrow down to 4 choices. Machine which are not very expansive, machine which makes best espresso from all not expansive machines, machine which is simple enough to use and build quality - most stainless steel parts not cheep plastic or aluminum. So far nobody can separate huge amount of different machines to this small group of 3-4 machines for non professionals users.
Thanks Ryde, Happy New Year for 2024.
Thanks so much for the thanks! 🙌🤗 Happy New year to you too @georgcantor8859 wishing you all the best for the year ahead! ❤️
Thanks! Appreciate all the content and information. Also really like that you reply to the comments. Your passion for coffee is very clear. And you are a super-person for not knocking over your coffee mug while filming 😅
Thanks so much!! ❤️❤️ I've had a few years training to hold my cup from spilling. 🤣 Are there any things you'd like to see in my videos? Any areas that you'd like to see me film? If I can, I'll try to do it! 🙏🙌 Thanks again for your support!
I own a Profitec Pro 400 and i love it. Get a lot of use out of it and the fact that it has a slimmer profile for my kitchen is great
Is ECM better than Profitech?
videos that are essentially a list would benefit greatly from chapter markers. Particularly if there are certain machines you are interested in.
Yeh, I do select auto chapters but it doesn't seem to work. It just takes a lot of time and effort to do it manually 😅
Really enjoy your videos, helpful and entertaining. I have had my Profitec GO for a year and have found no downside. This is the Subaru of coffee machines, value for money and pick a color you like because you will have it a long time!
Thanks! 🙏
How is the steaming with the Go ? I have heard that they aren’t capable to get the silk smooth texture of milk … people have been upgrading the two hole steam wand to four whole…. What’s your thought on this ? Really like the quick start time of the go and I am the only one who drinks coffee at my house, so it’s just two cups of latte per day
@@dineshnadar5214 I am not into latte art, to get that ‘silky milky’ the temperature is too low for drinking to me. That said, I have no problem steaming and get 2cm/.75” of foam on my cappuccino daily. Lance Hedrick has an excellent tutorial on steaming and according to him the number of holes is not critical to the process. Good luck.
Your fahrenheit vs centigrade temperatures don't track at all.
I think for everyday use, a thermoblock is a must for a home use. I am a coffee enthusiast, so a small boiler is fine but my better half would be annoyed if she had to wait half an hour to make a coffee... So for me, Ascaso, Quick Mill or Sage/Breville are the brands that do it for me.
Great video btw, just subscribed ;-)
And Zuriga
Does Bezzera have a thermoblock model BX10?
I bought myself the Rancilio Silvia Pro X a few months ago and I really could not be happier.
Yes, the drip tray sucks, but it is manageable. And the ... functional look isn't to everybody's taste.
Some other reviewers called this thing a Volvo and I think that is a very good description.
It's sturdy, build quality is good and it brew some really tasty coffee.
It gets the job done very well. It just does not look very fancy while doing so. It even punches above it's weight class.
Personally, I love the look and prefer it over the chrome monsters.
I had a Silvia for 16 years, amazing machine, outlasted my first marriage 😅
@johndefrias662 😅
what espresso machine would you reccomend for a small coffee cart? under 5k. a machine that can handle at least 150ppl. i also offer tea, cold brew coffee as well. so it won't be all espresso shots. How is your machine holding up? can it do back to back shots and steam milk no problem?
Wow didn't know Breville bought Lelit. The Bianca is in my opinion one of the best looking single group machines out there, almost as sleek as the Slayer.
As for the Profitec Pro 400 I would still argue PID is still a must if you are spending serious money. I get the Pro 500 is over $3000 but I wouldn't recommend anything at that price that requires temp surfing.
Yeh that was a very silent acquisition. I agree with the Bianca, it's the best looking one at that price point. Interestingly, I used the Gaggia Evo a lot the other month and I was surprised at how stable the temp was compared to previous versions. I only had to purge the group head to bring the temp down a fraction. Sure you don't get the same level of control but it was acceptable temp surfing. Certainly not as bad as the old days.
I love that espresso cup where'd you get it
Oh yeh it's my favourite cup in the world. Expensive but totally worth it. ♥️ It's from Milly Dent in Sydney Australia. Tell her I said hi! 🙌
Any reason why you didn't mention the Lelit Mara X? It seems a lot of people really like it, and it's under 2k
Yeh I just forgot to mention it at the time of filming when I was naming the other Lelit 🤦 but yes, it's an excellent machine and beautiful in the white with timber accents. 👌
I have had the Breville dual boiler for about 3 years. I have owned other machines and I would say it is an amazing machine for the price with all the bells and whistles and really easy to use. I only use it at the weekend so expect it to last maybe 5 years and never had a problem with it. You can descale it yourself so you save quite a bit of money on the annual servicing which needs to be factored in to the total cost of ownership.
14:56 248-262f is 92-97c. 248f is screaming hot, btw. If it's under pressure it's possible but still that is crazy hot
Yep that's correct. Definitely hot!
@@Rydecoffeecoach yes but the math doesn't math. 92 to 97 c is like 196 to 205 +/- not 248 to 262
Is ECM mechanika vi slim better than Profitech 400? Especially ECM is on sale now and at the same price as Profitech, which one to buy?
Yeh I mean it's a higher quality build and technically more premium. All the technicians I talk to say they are the best to service. But they are the same parent company so you can't go wrong with either. 👌
What about The Bezzera machines? Are goods? Thanks for the video.
Yep Bezzera are also great machines too. I think I included some models in my other videos. 👌
It never really seems to get a mention or be on many people's radar, but the Sunbeam Cafe Series Dual Thermoblock is a great machine at around $800. Being a thermoblock, it's quick to temp (and the brew block is part of the group so everything is heated up), and you can steam as you pull a shot. Well made 58mm portafilter, and very well put together (pumps on the bottom in their own compartment, electronics in another compartment, and the the thermoblocks and valves up top. PID temp control, pre-infusion, and good steam pressure. Bonus is the cool-touch steam wand, and milk temp (not sure how accurate though) as well as brew pressure gauge.
Also very easy to fit a dimmer mod to control pump speed without affecting your steaming since it's a separate pump and it's easily reversable. That means you get flow and pressure control for under 1k.
Great video. Thanks! I've been using a Breville Dual Boiler for 8 years and love it. It's my 2nd with the original being replaced under extended warranty. I have it paired with a Turin DF64 Gen 2 grinder and together they make sensational espresso. I've been looking at the Ascaso Steel Duo PID V2 for my next machine which comes in at just under A$3k. Do you have any thoughts on Ascaso and that particular machine? Thanks!
Thanks! I love the look of the Ascaso and I've had them in my previous years top lists, however they keep letting me down with their quality. In the early 2000s there were lots that were breaking but then they supposedly addressed those issues but I'm still getting complaints from customers. Beautiful looking machines and they are good, but just make sure you load up on extended warranty and get a good supplier so if anything goes wrong they can help. 👌
Fantastic Review. Really helpful. Cheers guvna.
Getting such a decent shot from a Delonghi Dedica (around USD 100) with modified milk wand & open basket paired with a Baratza Encore finding it tough to justify upgrading. Small profile. Really like that it is quick to warm up. Great in the mornings when no patience waiting for a coffee. Can also switch to milk foam function for few seconds before shot to increase temp. Would like to have commercial sized basket.
Using my modded ec230 and cannot agree more on that) However, I've managed to file the original 51mm portafilter so that 54mm dalla corte IMS basket fits it perfectly with 54.5mm tamper. No chance to put 58mm into it though)) Yes, the shower is still narrow, but if use a puck screen, makes no difference IMHO
Cheers!
Wow, taken it to another level. What weight of shots do you put through it? Puck screens are great. Struggled prior to the Encore grinder as pump did not seem to cope with higher volumes like 18 grams. Now with better grinder no problems at all. Average shot now using around 16 grams, feel easier and cleaner to manage. @@simonshandrinov9079
Have been agonising for ages and haven't let myself by anything for months, but I bit the bullet and got a Breville dual boiler yesterday for the sale price ($999). Would love a higher end machine but I can't justify it when I'm a newbie and I have a bit of a habit of letting new routines and hobbies fade. I'll go a bit lower and easier on the machine while I'm learning, and put more money into a really good high end grinder instead, which I wouldn't have considered until I started watching your vids! If I'm still brewing this time next year, upgrade here we come! Thank you for your channel, it's made the decisions easier.
Thanks! The dual boiler is an excellent machine so you won't be disappointed and since you're upgrading it in a year or two you won't suffer the pain of it dying. 🙌
Its gonna take a while to grow out of the breville/sage dual boiler
Have seen people doing the slayer mod and just...keeping it. Other than steam power and "italian flair", the more expensive models don't offer a lot more. Especially for home use
Went with a Breville Oracle years ago - worst mistake I’ve ever made. Sent it back 3x for service… they replaced it w/ a ‘new’ one. Second unit has already been back for service once and now sits in my garage broken. Hope your experience is better than mine! Stay far away from Oracle!
@@Guy9052m so far so good, having no problems. I'll upgrade it at the end of the year regardless; I splurged on the grinder and that + really good quality beans is making the biggest impact. I've got Bellissimo down the road from me in Brisbane... Zero complaints.
BDB is pretty high end (maybe not as high end appearing) and a well loved machine by espresso enthusiasts. The grinder is the most important part. I run a really good grinder (Eureka silenzio) with my cheap Breville duo temp pro and I pull amazing shots
thanks for the video… PRE-INFUSION “hack” 🤔
would it be helpful to throw the Brew Switch on BZ10 or perhaps spray the puck prior to locking in?
thinking of going from
Breville Oracle Appliance
to a
Bezzera BZ10 Machine
Thank you sir , it was a great help for me , you seem honest et trustworthy when giving information
Bless you
Interested in thoughts on NS OscarII? 58mm portafilter, preinfusion, programmable shots, powerful steam while pulling shots and OPV. Under 1500 in Oz and made in Italy
Yeh if it's under $1500aud that's a very good price. I'm not a huge fan of NS having worked on their machines in the past but on commercial versions. But at that price it is much better, and it does have really great thermal stability.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Have you seen the Oscar Mood? PID version of Oscar plus other stuff. My wife had a cafe and used my Oscar for half a day when her machine died 🤣
I'd give the Silvia Pro X 10/10, if you don't mind the industrial look (I love it). I've had 2 Brevilles, both broke, and 2 Delonghis, both broke. Finally got the Silvia Pro it it just blows away the competition. PID? Built in. In tests it's spot-on accurate. Regular, reliable ideal 9 bar pressure? Yep, and tests again show they're spot on. Cafe-level steam power? Yep. Twin boiler? Yep. Small footprint? Yep. Built like a tank? Yep. It was only missing 3 things to be the perfect machine - no pressure gauge and no pre-fusion. And no fancy chrome beauty, but I realized in the real world I'd soon get tired of polishing off fingerprints, so I consider the matt stainless steel to be a big bonus actually. Then they came out with the Pro X, with pressure gauge and pre-infusion. It's literally the perfect machine, perfect temp water at the perfect pressure in a square box that just gets out of the way and lets you experiment with the beans and the grind, instead of messing with the machine. I like my Pro so much I'm hoping it will break, so I can buy the Pro X... but I suspect I'll be waiting another 30 years or so...
Lol. That's the problem with these great machines, you'll never get the excuse to buy a new one because the one you have still works perfectly! 🤣
I’m in 2 minds with the Breville DB and Silvia Pro X. Deciding factors are heat stability (in DB) and the proper pre-fusion (not in Silvia Pro X)…still deciding, help lol
@@hash5191 Brevilles are not real machines, just appliances. I used to hate hearing that when I had Brevilles but it's true.
You almost convinced me to buy one! Aha
I hesitate with Ascaso steel duo PID et Profitec Go (less expensive one)
14:58 your temp comparisons are incorrect, unless water boils at a different temperature in Australia.
Oh I might have got the fahrenheit incorrect. Sorry! 😓
Just one thing about the Casa V recommendation: on all ECM machines I’ve seen, you can’t set the OPV screw lower than 8 bars at the pump. Screw just won’t turn far enough.
I don’t own one so I could be wrong but I don’t think you’ll be able to do 3 bar shots.
Thats concerning, I mean 3 bar shots are not a concern but if it cant get lower than 8 bars, for the beans I like to drink I almost never go over 6 bar.
Yeh that's not good if that's true. Thanks for letting me know!
Hi Ryde,
Great vid, I am totally torn. The BDB makes absolute sense & I would get one in a heartbeat but my wife doesn’t drink coffee & is not up for such a big machine in the kitchen. So with the community behind the Silva it’s the real stand out for me as a 2nd hand machine. Thanks for your thoughts/review
Yeh it's a great machine so just enjoy the learning curve and you'll master it in no time! 👌
Good intro video, but there are a ton of options on the top end of home dual boilers that are not mentioned here
Oh which ones? I'm happy to amend it in another video, but under $3k or above?
does the victoria come with a no burn steam wand? Double Walled?
Great recommendations. Its true that the profitec pro 300 and rancilio silvia pro x are top values in this range. Very impressive specs for the price.
Lelit Elisabeth has more advanced features, especially the steam boiler pressure-driven preinfusion
@@OYeahan Silvia Pro X has pre-fusion and you don't want pressure for that, as the point is to moisten the beans before the pressure. The Silvia is also faster to heat up from cold, has stronger steam power and doesn't need polishing every day :P But really at this price point they're all great machines! Apart from the Breville. Had a Bambino die on me, got the twin boiler, that died too. I'll never bug that brand again.
@@bigglyguy8429 BDB also died on me, got a refund instead of repair, decided to upgrade and bought Lelit Bianca (same owner lol). Hope it'll be much more solid and serviceable
@@bigglyguy8429 as for preinfusion, don't know how Silvia's works, but to moisten the beans you need something to push the water at a specific rate, and the only way to move water is using pressure :D. There is little pressure in the grouphead during that moistening as there is almost no backpressure from the puck, but actually you want to moisten the puck pretty quickly, as too long a flow will give more time for initial channeling and preinfusion will have opposite effect than the intended one
@@OYeahan I have the older Silvia twin boiler with no prefusion, and in fairness the accuracy of the temp and pressure (exactly 93C at 9bar, every time) means I can experiment with the grind. As such I just don't need pre-infusion, as I can tweak to perfection... But I'm tempted to buy the newer one... FOMO is real lol
Great video as always Ryde!
I'm looking to replace my Lelit Anita with something better, my budget is around $2k. Would you suggest the purchase of a used La Cimbali M21 Junior (tanked)? I found one in very good conditions for $1200. That would allow me to also invest in a good grinder an stay within my budget.
Yes the Cimbali is a good enough machine but are there others that you can find second hand? I really prefer some of the other manufacturers like Profitec or ECM etc, but Cimbali is solid enough, I had one for a few years but I just found them a bit chunky.
Still, investing in the grinder is great idea. I highly recommend the Timemore sculptor 78s 🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thank you for the reply Ryde.
I did look at brands like Profitec, ECM, Rocket, etc.. but they are way over $2k.
This Cimbali is a workhorse and if properly looked after, will last a lifetime. I also have a friend that used to be a specialised Cimbali technician and told me that we can do some mods to make it even better.
Lastly, if I get it and find out that it's not as good as I thought, I can resell it for the same price.
Feel free to throw a couple of alternative options if you think they are better built or perform better than this M21 junior.
Thank you.
I had a Rancilio, with PID, and it was OK. I just got an ECM Synchronika, with Flow control and will learn the ins & outs of it. I also have a great grinder and all the other popular 'tools' and have been roasting my own coffee for over 16 years. I'm a coffee junkie !
Nice! 🙌🙌
Thanks, great video. Really helped me picking my next machine
You're welcome! What did you get? 🙌
I've been trying to decide between the Lelit Elizabeth and the Profitec Pro 600 for about 6 months now and I still can't figure it out... seems like EVERY espresso machine has some kindof setback / variable and it makes it so hard to choose. Some people really poopoo E61s heat stability versus the saturated group head approach...
There's also the Profitec Move that's released in a month or so depending on where you are.
I personally don't love the look of the Lelit machines except MaraX and Bianca, so for me the 600 is my choice but you have to go with your gut. They are both good machines.
@@Rydecoffeecoach funny enough the Move looks like a great machine, but the printed "MOVE" on the front panel just kills me. We all have our aesthetic pet peeves. haha. I'm leaning towards the 600 for sure... my only hesitation is some people's opinions about the saturated group heads being more stable than the E61s...
@@Rydecoffeecoach ps. thank you for the note!
Hiii! In the same boat. Did you decide?
No worries! 🤗 I don't find it unstable enough to be noticeable unless you're measuring it with precision tools. Certainly I've never had a bad coffee from the 600 or really any e61. If you're an engineer or something and you would be running precise experiments on it, then yes, but otherwise I don't think you'd notice on a day to day latte or espresso. Sometimes people can get too big down in the specifics, but in all honesty we're trying to precisely replicate a product that is largely varied from the farm level.
Great video. I'll be retiring my Via Venezia this year and replacing it with the Profitec Go and the eureka mignon specialita grinder.
Did you get the grinder? I have that model and love it, but if you have not purchased yet then I recommend you get one of the cheaper, simpler models and some scales. I've found I never use the timer display thing because I measure my beans per shot; I'd never leave a lot of beans going stale in the hopper. So if like me you want single shots then I forget the name but they have 2 models with factory bellows (I got mine custom made for the Specialita) and no timer/display, so you save money, get the bellows and have less to go wrong. Win!
@@bigglyguy8429 The single doser version is more expensive than the Silenzio (the cheapest of the line).... and even more expensive than the Specialita. By a lot, actually. At least here in Europe you can get the Silenzio for around 350 EUR, the Specialita for 400 and the single doser for 600 ...
Interested what you think of the Ascaso steel duo. I rarely see people bring it up in this range. I have one and am very happy with its style and functionality.
Yes, I think it appeared in my video series last year. I do like it a lot but I fear the company is producing a lot of lemons and not supporting post purchase enough which is why I left it off this year. If I get better reports throughout the year, I'll reassess it for next time.
Excellent vid
iv had the brevill dual boiler for 10 years and 10,600 sgots made, its finally beyond repair, E61 next?
Yeh a heat exchanger will be good. Maybe something like Lelit MaraX?
I used to have the Breville Dual Boiler but it was constantly breaking down and having bought it in Australia and now living in UK the Sage dealers were told by Sage not to service it. So personally would rather have a real espresso machine like Bezzera as the price is not good in comparison.
My breville dual boiler makes epic coffee however it has just broken after 2.5 years! Need a new machine! What do I get??
Well, Didn't I just give you enough options 😅? If you want something similar to the Dual boiler I would look at the Profitecs, they are great and you wont have them break every 2 years. 🙌
@Rydecoffeecoach Great vids, thanks. What would you pick out of SilviaV6 OR Gaggia EvoPro OR ProfitecGO to get the very best espresso and silky milk drinks?
It's a tough one as they are all good but also limited in different ways. For me, I like the Go but there are so many personal preferences to consider. What's most important to you?
I actually have a video coming out comparing Silvia to The Go and I took a customer to compare and choose which one to buy. Stay tuned for that video...
Will do. Reason I pointed those 3 is that I can fully mod the Gaggia with pid/9bar/dimmer flow/steam upgrade OR get the Silvia because it’s got superior steam OR go with the GO as it has everything factory built. Ofc, the Gaggia can also be gagiounio but I still love the Silvia. I’m torn
Great video I’m European who lives in USA so coffee is important for me ..thank you for including prices here as well I lean towards lelit Elizabeth (cause of aesthetics and size,not to deep )but I love a good cappuccino hear and there ,I use to be a barista myself so Which one of those has strongest steam if not close to pro for great creamy micro foam ? And what grinder you pair them with.Thanks
I forgot one more machine that I ended up including in the next video ($3-6k) and that's: Lelit Bianca. It's the most beautiful of the Lelit range (and Bianca too). You'll get endless steam.
As for a grinder, I'd go with a Eureka Mignon (just find the features you desire the most as they have a grinder for literally every budget!). Or if you have the budget, I've been loving the Timemore Sculptor 78s and I highly recommend them. 👌🙌
I appreciate you .Your reply gives me lots of confidence..cause I was thinking eureka grinder and I was between Bianca ,Profitech drive ,synchronica ,La spazziale Vivaldi ,and the beautiful Bezzera duo.
I’ll check your other videos thx
Ah yes, well then: the Synchronika is best build quality, with Profitec almost as good but more features generally.
But I'm asking the wrong questions, sorry. I should be asking you, How many espressos are you making per day? (Include if you're having double or single shot coffees)
What coffees are you mostly making (eg: lattes, long blacks, etc)
What's most important to you in terms of aesthetics, build quality, consistency, ease of use, budget, etc)
Let's start there.
No problem ,you are right
Your questions are very accurate.
My average routine is Two double espressos in the morning .
Two cappuccinos in the afternoon.Excluding gatherings
Aesthetically I prefer Elizabeth compact design and not too deep or bulky (with the exception of the steam knob) ..But I prefer rotary pump and a solid built for better longevity and less rattling noises..besides Elizabeth ,the rest of them are the same category and very similar looks .
I liked Synchronica but I noticed some negative feedback about its steam power and as you mentioned less features
So it narrows between Bianca and “Drive”.(unless there is something else)
I think they have same features..the question is :Which is more quiet solid, reliable of the two?(if it’s a noticeable difference) if the package comes in the smaller possible size even better.
As for the grinder
I liked the eureka Oro but I prefer the anatomy of The timemore sculptor you suggested..If its grinding is better and is as quiet as the eureka ? I’ll definitely purchase it.
Excellent! Thanks for that info.
The Profitec Drive is a bit bigger I believe, I know it's very deep (70cm) and quite wide too so if space is important, then the Bianca is the better bet.
I love the Bianca and it's much nicer aesthetically IMO but Lelit was bought by Breville so I'm worried about the future of that brand as Lelit were always about making high quality products cheaper, Breville is kinda the opposite. Profitec is still Italian/German precision engineering and will always be high quality albeit more expensive.
If I was choosing, I'd get the Drive a custom paint job and go with it.
The grinder level of noise is an interesting topic. I haven't ever worried about noise cos they are all noisy! 🤣 But lately a lot of people have been asking me so I might need to do a test of grinder noise across a bunch. the Timemore isn't super quiet but I don't find it loud either but at low RPM I notice it squeal. But if quiet is what you want, the La Pavoni Cilindro was noticeably quieter to my ears.
Wrecking my head for a while trying to find a machine to upgrade to from my Dedica and now i think I've found it. Profitec Go looks like the perfect answer for me, thanks for the video.
I have trodden the Dedica path, twice. I envy your fun of beginning your journey... just go 58mm and you're gonna have a good time!
Hi! I am also updating from dedica to profitec go!
How’s your experience with it ?
Thanks for sharing this insightful content, I was wondering what machine you use on daily basis at home?
Great question! I have the Decent Espresso and it's perfect for me. 🙌
Can you do a review on the Izzo Vivi Flat, I've just bought one so I'd like your option
Where I can get the dual boiler for $1200? The price I can see is over 2000bks
It commonly goes on sale for 1000 (without the grinder) I got mine from jbhifi
Yeh, RRP is $2k I think but can get with grinder for $1500 or usually on its own for $1200
Yes nice one! They are awesome machines 🙌👌
Very nice video with tons of information
I have a Eureka mignon manuale grinder but I’m looking to upgrade. I really wanted a timed grinder which helped save the hassle of using the scale every time. Any suggestions for next grinder to get that keeps the same quantity of grind?
Why do you want to upgrade? What features are you looking for? The Eureka range is huge so you can possibly find something like the Magnifico or Specialita or XL does what you need.
Otherwise another dosing grinder is the Fiorenzato All ground or F4 electronic are good too.
If you want an amazing grinder and have the budget, I love the Bentwood vertical 63! 👌
Hope this helps.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I have a Specialita and I love it. Timed grind with a screen.
Thank you for your informative shows. Espresso machines are absolutely new ground (ha!) for me. My dream machines are Ascaso Duo or the San Remo Cube, however I know that as a newbie, I should opt for something less pricey and easier to learn. The Gaggia boilers eliminate that machine, and there are a number of videos about people who used and disliked the Profitec Go. So the upgraded Rancilio Silva (in pink, of course? I don’t want Lelit Anna bc of the 57mm portafilter, and I don’t want a big chrome box on my counter, which eliminates the other Lelia’s. Please tell me what to buy. Style and color for uniqueness are priorities. Thank you! What’s the story on your lovely cup.
Hey! What do You think about Nouva Simonelli Oscar II in 22 version (with opv included and some other smaller advantages)? Because it looks better than few of models You mentioned and its cheaper.
Bezzara Aria with flow control is what I will be getting this year, fingers crossed 🤞
Any machine you recommended have a stainless steel boiler?
The Breville dual boiler does, but why do you want only SS?
@@Rydecoffeecoach nah I'm not intreasted in a SS boiler unless you think the taste from a SS is better.
There shouldn't be much difference in taste, a brass boiler shouldn't give off any flavours unless you allow it to build up line scale but you should be using clean and filtered water anyway. You actually want to just avoid boilers such as aluminum and copper but most coffee machines are brass so you should be fine. 🙌
Do any of these have PID and preinfusion except for rancilio Silvia proX ?
Yeh a few do. The Profitec 300 does and the400 has a limited PID version, some Lelits do like the Grace, Victoria, Elizabeth. The Breville dual boiler does.
Oh sorry you mean have BOTH features? The E61 (like Profitec 400) machines have a mechanical preinfusion. The Lelits I mentioned have both.
What's your opinion of the Rocket Mozzafiato Timer Evoluzione R Espresso Machine?
You need to get the Fahrenheit - Celsius conversion right!
Whoops sorry. I just use Google
@@Rydecoffeecoach Great! Just google "Celsius to Fahrenheit" 😃
You have to buy a the Breville/Sage dual boiler used. Found one for 500eur
Ppl that bought one are prbly enthusiasts, because for the same money, most ppl would be an oracle or barista touch
They usually have replaced pumps and upgraded lines at that point
I am looking at buying a coffee machine,
I am kinda new getting in to the whole barista coffee world.
I was just looking at the Breville dual boiler just because all the features it has for the price and the convenience.
But I can only find it for around 1499 aud ,
Is it still worth it or should I go for something else.
Thanks
Can you buy it with the grinder for that price? If not keep holding out for a deal as they usually sell together around $1500aud
Another machine that I would possibly wait for is the Turin Legato which should be out in a few months 🤞 it could be a really good entry level machine for around $800aud.
But yeh for ease of use, the Breville dual boiler will be great. 👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach thanks for the quick reply I can get it for $1650 aud with the grinder.
I was looking at the Quick mill pippa and the ECM Casa V which are around the same price as the Breville
@@olivercook4491 both are good machines but don't have all the same features that the Breville does however will last a lot longer and I think the matte black and timber accents on the Quick Mill Pippa look so good. Just make sure you get a grinder as that's more important than the machine anyway.
The Breville will be an easier machine to learn on, but just take as best care you can of it in order to get as many years out of it.
For me, I would buy the Pippa in black and timber, a matching black Eureka Silenzia grinder. But, you need to be prepared to put in the time to hone your craft and learn how to get the best out of your coffee.
So my question to you would be: If you bought the Breville and in
I own a ECM Synchronika. I love it. But I dislike using it more and more.
Problem is: If you work from home and want a coffee, you cannot switch this behemoth off, since it takes around 30 minutes to be at the correct temperature.
When I bought it, it was for one Cappuccino in the morning and a few Espressi in the afternoon, maybe a few runs on weekend afternoons. But in general it was on fro twice a day, 40 minutes in the morning 1.5 hours in the evening.
Now I am working from home 80% of the time and it is running from morning till evening. The coffee I drink over the day is much better than what I get at the office of course, but it eats power like nothing. Easily 6-7 kWh per day. I can run my entire house on 7 kWh per day without the machine. And a kWh costs 40 ct. I really do not like the costs and I also have to admit: My ecological conscience also screems a bit.
I will probably "downgrade" to a Profitec Pro 300. With its fast heat up PID it can be turned on, make an Espresso within 5 minutes or a Cappuccio within 7, use 0.15 kWh for this and then be turned of again. Even if you do this 10 times a day, it will be less than a quarter of power compared tot he Synchronika on stand-by.
Great advice! Yes this is an issue I hadn't considered for stay at home office workers. The majority of people previously used them one in the morning - maybe once in the arvo. But certainly I see your needs for a quick heat up time. 👌
Its hardly the end of the world!
Also, wait for my upcoming video, you're going to be extremely happy...
You missed the lelit Mara X. brilliant little machine.
You're right! I included it in the next video I did ($3-6k) because I did forget it and that was bad! 😅
Am I the only one constantly worried that he’s gonna knock that coffee cup over with his hand gestures?!
When you work at a tight coffee bar, you kinda gain a superpower called spatial awareness
😅 yes
🤣 don't watch the old videos where I used to hold the cup filled with coffee and make huge gestures. You'll have an anxiety attack! 😅
Yes. You’ve been drinking to much coffee.
Not to worry… the man is a pro.
Not sure why you suggest that because it's made by an appliance company, it will only last 5 years....this is crazy. Do you have one and did it break after 4-5 years? I've had my Breville Barista for 10 years now and not a single problem...drives me crazy when folks just throw these terms around. I agree it's not as heavy and it doesn't feel industrial but that is not an indicator of how long it will last. Aside from that comment, great information :-)
Your temperature profile of the Profitec is inaccurate, I keep mine at the 202F setting, added a thermometer to gauge temp so you can let off some additional heat if it is too high before pulling a shot. Great machine but am having thermostat tripping issues with mine, working to resolve. Replacing the heating element did not do it think it is more the electronic thermostat, TBD. Had the Rancilio Silvia for 15 years, never had one issue, more gadgets, more failures.
I want to add something for the Lelit machines. There is a really downside in those machines if you do milky drinks. The knob it's very poorly designed, you have to be very gentle with them. There is a teflon mechanism to stop the knob. I did broke my "old" machine (Victoria) 3-4 times because the knob was so fragile, that it will broke right away. I got a refund for that reason and after a year I did buy Lelit Bianca V3. But the espresso with the Victoria, was very good. It's a good machine for espresso and will not let you down.
@@GriuGriu64 There is a teflon pin to block the turns of the knob. On Victoria you had to tighten well but not strong, otherwise it broke or began to lose water. I had tried in every way not to break it, but it was impossible given the many cappuccini haha
Thank you :) With the black friday was "cheap" (still crying in my shower where nobody can hear me) to buy from a retailer here in France. But if you drink a lot of coffee like we do, is worthy :) the espresso is amazing. I feel that only the kinu m47 keeps me behind a little bit.
@@GriuGriu64 10 doubles and it keep up? Amazing! I pull 4 cap and around 8 coffee a day. I don't play for the moment with pressure profile because I use dark roasted coffee. But tomorrow I will try some fresh light roast I hope to do well haha. For the Bianca I did get the refund of the Victoria (a 1/3 of the price of the Bianca with black friday discount), did put money in the piggy bank and after 15 months of commercial dark roast with the aeropress, I did had the money (many many sacrifice by the way I am not rich). Happy new year, one day you will have a Bianca don't worry :)
Do you need to be as gentle with the Bianca V3 knobs, as you had to be with the Victoria? Thanks
@@jamesd8458 You don’t have the same problem, because the knob is built as well as many other e61 machines. I haven’t had any problems since I got it. And the difference in cup, it’s considerably better than the Victoria. If you have any more questions, I’ll be happy to answer them.
I like the shape size depth and aesthetic of Elizabeth ..but I m looking for strong steam for pro creamy microfoam I use to be a barista so I’m particular ..
My Breville dual boiler is on its last legs and I'm considering the Profitec Go or Pro 300. I drink espresso and long blacks, and my mrs drinks flat whites on the weekends. Do you think a Profitec Go is going to cut it or its worth upgrading to the Pro 300 ?
The Go is fine but you will miss the ability to do coffee and milk simultaneously so that might slow you down, so I would choose the 300 over the GO. There is also the Profitec MOVE coming out shortly and I really love the look of that machine and its a dual boiler too.
I bought my Rancilio Silvia in 2003. Over the years, new boiler, new OPV. but otherwise still going strong. Just use good quality filtered water and it will go for ever. Nearly.
I have a Wega Mininova classic got for 1000au second hand. added a presure guage, new quartz shower screen, bottomless filter and VST basket,... good machine if you have a bit of real estate, Id rather the steam wand on the left and have considered replumbing it. worst part about it is the placement of the on off switch... right behind the lever? wtf. Its my first machine so perhaps if i ever change id go to an auto machine cos im lazy but other wise its great.
Picked up a Linea Micra!
Why is the Lelit only 8/10? It has pid and seems well made.
what do you think about BZ13/Crema?
Hi there Ryan! I've been enjoying your videos, but I've noticed the audio levels are pretty high and sometimes you can hear some distortion when you are speaking. It might be helpful to look into lowering the overall volume output or use audio normalization during editing. This process balances the sound so it's more consistent and easier on the ears. Keep up the great work and looking forward to your next video with hopefully more balanced audio! 😊👍
Thanks so much for the feedback. I'll lower my recording levels on my mic next time and hopefully that fixes it. 🙌👌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Cool. I think that and the music in the beginning will need to be adjusted as well. Best of luck with your channel! Cheers! 🤘🏼✌🏼
@rydecoffeecoach, regardless of design, cost and HX vs DB, if you were to choose between the Siliva Pro X or Pro 400, which would you go?
Is the La Pavini Botticelli Evolution good machine?
It is a good machine, but it's a little pricey in Australia ($2999AUD) and just the EVO without a PID seems a bit much when the Profitec or Lelit gives you a lot more. The Dual boiler with flow control Bottecelli is much better but also costs an extra $1k AUD. If the price is a lot cheaper where you are, this would make it a much more attractive machine.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks, Im asked because the Lelit and the Profitec is our of stock, and i have to get a good machine
Rocket apartmento?
Great reviews - but do you know why it is called an E 61?
I thought I explained it in the video but maybe it was in another one. It's called E61 cos it was the first electromagnetic pump design launched in 1961 by Faema. The technology has advanced a lot since then but the shape of the group head remains iconic for every e61 machine.
E for eclipse
I don’t understand why people always say the Breville/Sage machines aren’t built to last. My Barista Express is used every day and just coming up to its tenth anniversary. Just because the design looks different doesn’t mean the internals are worse quality.
It's not so much the design, it's the way they build the internals. The biggest issue with these machines are the small parts such as the O-rings which disintegrate over time and don't cost much to replace but are so tightly packed in with no care to how the maintenance would look, so the expensive part is the labour of actually pulling it apart and putting it back.
It's great to hear you've gotten 10 years out of it but that's the anomaly. In most cases, tiny powder fine coffee dust eventually makes its way into the machine and what happens when you add heat, moisture, metal and electrics and coffee dust together? Nothing good, that's for sure.
@@Rydecoffeecoach that's fair. I do my own servicing and it is a bit fiddly to work on.
Oh if you can do your own servicing and understand the electrics then these machines awesome. 🙌
My barista pro crapped out after 2 years. Much worse to work on than the express and brevilles support service is complete shyte
Yeh, this is what I'm trying to explain to the majority but people keep jumping in to tell me how long theirs has lasted! 😅
Nice video. I currently have a Breville Oracle and the service light has just turned on after nearly two years. It’s essentially useless at the moment. Thinking I might hand it in under product care warranty and get something else. What’s your recommendation around that 2.5k mark (aud)? Thanks
Get the rancillo pro x it is also an amazing machine
@@anthonyzoukino pre-infusion though.
@@Proton-m4y yes there is no pre infusion, you have soft infusion which is just ambient pressure trickles of water then the pump comes on. However, you’re not buying the pro X for pre-infusion but for its longevity build quality the name and so forth
what do you think about the rocket apartamento?
Any views on the profitec go?
It's in there, it might be slightly glossed over but I did say good things about it! 🙌👌
Profitec Go review is at 23 min mark roughly. I have had mine for 7 months and it has been consistent in performance. Not flashy, it has everything you need. I like the top loading water tank as my station is compact and I don’t have to move grinder etc. to fill, Solenoid so pucks are dry, large drip tray, built in timer and easy to use PID.
The only things lacking are a float for the drip tray & a slight glass for water level, but at 2.8 liters I don’t refill often. I treat the water and keep it clean, I expect this to be my last machine.
@@SKG-d2tdid you mean 23 or another time?
No mention of Lelit Mara X?
😅 everyone keeps saying this. I did name a bunch of Lelit machines and for whatever reason the Mara X stuff got missed. It's because Lelit just have so many models and their all good but I thought the Mara X was in my next bracket of pricing so I apologise, I'll cover it in a future video.
Breville Barista Express at or around $700 beats all of these by a mile as far as a value, bang for the buck and versatility. Also HUGE facebook, youtube support groups
I really wonder about these clips.
Who would pay thousands on dollars for a machine which may be used to make up to four coffees a day?
I had a cheap, excellent Gaggia machine which produced the best, flavorous short black: which is all that counts!
I retired it when it started to leak.
These prices seem pretty crazy for the lack of features, when compared to the Turin Lagato that has PID, pressure gauge, etc all for 500 bucks. Pretty wild.
Yeh, the Turin is cheap and has some good features but is largely untested for longevity and reliability/consistency.
The machines in this range are renowned Italian quality manufacturing (Turin is Chinese) with decades of proof. You can't compare them. Is a car a chassis with a steering wheel, 4 doors and 4 tyres? Yes, but then why is a BMW not the same price as a Great Wall car?
Never buy the sage/bewville dual boiler again. All customers open the screw from shower, look over it and you can see, that skin from brewgroup go away.
No love for the Lelit Mara X, huh?
14:55. What?
Faema morphed into VBM
its weird you're clearly australian, using australia as a reference, and all your dollar amounts are in USD, i get the appeal to everyone factor, but its confusing
Yeh, I might end up making a separate video for both US and AUS, but at the moment only 8% of Aussies watch my videos as opposed to 35% USA. Also, we're used to having to convert USD to AUD so its easier.
Rancilio every day of the week.
Way too many machines and still I can’t get that sweet balance in my grinding/brewing time settings. So I think I’ll throw away everything and I’ll buy a Rivelia. Brad Pitt will be left inside the box, of course.
Interesting. I do get the ease of use factor, but getting your coffee recipe right isn't too hard and with a bit of practice you'll far exceed the flavours of the De'Longhi.
Too much information very hard for beginner to choose. If you are not beginner - you dont need to watch this video. I think suggestions should narrow down to 4 choices. Machine which are not very expansive, machine which makes best espresso from all not expansive machines, machine which is simple enough to use and build quality - most stainless steel parts not cheep plastic or aluminum. So far nobody can separate huge amount of different machines to this small group of 3-4 machines for non professionals users.
Nicola Corners
aeropress :D
When a 1000 $ coffee machine is entry level. WTF?
ECM Synchronika
In other words, buy Breville. 😅
What? I didn't say that! 😅. Oh unless you mean because Breville bought Lelit. Yeh I guess I did say that 🤣🤣
@@Rydecoffeecoach I was kidding. Since you hate Breville
😅 phew! Got me good.
Go Decent or pledge for Meticulous.
Eck puristika. No more No less. Espresso only. No steam wand. Just espresso.
Breville sucks!!! 2 years, then dead
tv not radio bud, if i wanted to just hear you yapping i would not be on youtube
$1,000 plus? Stop the video now.